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July 20, 2007 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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July 20, 2007, Friday, Hour #3
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Almost too much to bear.
This is almost too much to bear.
I'm I'm watching, I shouldn't do this during the show.
I'm watching CNN.
And they are uh doing a story complete with pictures about how the Sunni tribes in the Anbar province, who had formerly been allied with Al Qaeda in the insurgency and against America and so forth, have now allied with America.
Now, this is portrayed as a bad thing because the Sunni tribes are violent.
Why they're killing these foreign fighters, these Al-Qaeda fighters, with American supplied weapons.
This cannot be tolerated.
We're going to ask this brigadier general, uh, sir, do you really condone uh this uh violence, this kind of violence?
We're perpetuating the violence.
You know what he should have said?
Of course, it's a PC general.
I mean, by the time you get to be general in this uh army, you know, you're just uh schooled at saying a whole bunch of words that don't mean anything.
Of course, uh George Patton would have said, uh, yeah, we're killing the enemy until they give up.
That's what we're here for.
We're gonna kill them any way we can.
We're gonna kill them uh in the morning, we're gonna kill them at noon, we're gonna kill them at night, we're gonna kill them, and anybody that is allied with us is gonna kill him until uh we win.
See, we don't have those kind of generals anymore.
They're just in the movies on 24 or wherever.
Uh anyway, I also um noted with some glee that uh the drive-by the leftist media is uh uh focusing on the fact that uh Mr. Bush is having a colonoscopy uh tomorrow, uh, for males of a certain age, a requirement, uh a fairly frequent requirement.
And uh I just uh hope, along with uh remember what Ronald Reagan said when he was shot, uh he looked up and saw these uh doctors about to uh you know open up his chest cavity, hope you're all Republicans.
I certainly hope that tomorrow they're all Republicans uh when the colonoscopy is administered.
This is uh also a moment, however, of sheer terror for the left.
Sheer terror, because for a few hours, Dick Cheney will be president of the United States.
Just consider it.
Now, this uh week a remarkable hearing was held in the uh United States Senate, shared by Senator Feinstein, a subcommittee of the Judiciary Committee, uh on uh the subject of uh the conviction of Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compion for shooting an illegal alien drug smuggler who was fleeing back into
Mexico after having been apprehended with 742 pounds of marijuana in his van.
Senator Feinstein did a credible job on this.
Give her credit.
She hauled in U.S. attorney Johnny Sutton, who prosecuted these two border patrol agents.
Now the background on this is Johnny Sutton was a confidant of Governor George Bush, one of his legal aides, when Bush was governor of Texas, moved with Bush to the uh uh Justice Department when the Bush administration took over.
In fact, during the transition, during the Florida contest in 2000, he was part of the task force of uh people at the Justice Department uh or wanted to move into the Justice Department, working for the Bush uh campaign, who uh did the legal work that led to uh George Bush uh prevailing at the Supreme Court and the laws of Florida prevailing for that matter as to who voted and all that.
So Johnny Sutton's close.
He's inner circle.
He wound up assistant deputy uh A.G. for something uh in the Bush administration, and then mysteriously was transferred out and down to El Paso, Texas to be the U.S. attorney.
Now, in the world of the inner circle, this is a downgrade.
You don't go from a pushy uh uh plush job up in the Justice Department uh to U.S. attorney in El Paso.
That's that's not a move up.
That's a move down.
Unless you have a mission.
The mission, apparently, was to carry out George Bush's agreement with El Presidente Fox of Mexico that the civil rights of illegal immigrants would be protected.
The it turns out that in this incident, The drug dealer, the drug runner, uh had grappled with uh Jose Compian, uh, had uh uh gotten free of the border patrol agent.
He was being chased by Ramos.
He ran uh for the border after having only come in, I don't know what it was, a couple hundred yards maybe.
He was running for the border, was clearly in sight.
He turned around as he was running, according to the testimony of the uh of the officers, pointing back at them.
And the evidence for that is that the shot that finally did get him was side, they always say he's shot in the butt.
He was shot in the side of the butt, which is different, because it means that that side was exposed to the fire.
In other words, he was turned around.
He if he'd been shot in the rear, then he's fleeing, and they shot him while he was fleeing.
No, he was turned around.
This sh the shot went into the side of the gluteus maximus, if you know what I'm saying.
This um testimony was completely ignored.
And even worse, Johnny Sutton suppressed evidence of how he got a hold of Osvaldo Aldrete Davila, the drug smuggler, who fled into Mexico and mysteriously was uh turned over to Homeland Security investigators,
given a grant of immunity and a green card to enter the United States any time he wanted to, who was the star witness against the Border Patrol agents.
I didn't have a gun, I was running away, they shot me, I'm in pain, I'm a permanent disability, I'm suing, uh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
What how did it turns out the Mexican government?
Here's the answer.
The Mexican government, looking for a test case, turned Mr. Davilo uh back uh to the Aldre D'Avila uh over to the investigators.
His story was pat from the beginning.
I never had a gun.
So other border patrol agents have gone down, by the way, and interviewed his family.
They said this guy's been running drugs since he was 13, and he's always carried a gun.
They all do.
It's a dangerous place.
You have drug dealers shooting each other, much less all the other dangers.
So Johnny Sutton then gives this guy immunity.
Well, between the time of the incident and the time of the trial, there was another bust of hundreds of uh pounds of marijuana in a safe house along the Texas border, in which, among other names that came up in the investigation, uh Osvaldo Aldrette Davila came up.
And as soon as that happened, the case was dropped.
Arrest was avoided.
It was not completed.
Therefore, he was Mr. Sutton has said on every news program I've listened to him on, the U.S. attorney has said uh when he's asked about, well, well, your witness came in with another load of dope.
Well, we don't know that.
It's under investigation.
There's never been an arrest.
He does know it, he does know it, he does know it.
And I'll tell you why I know he knows it.
Because some he classified, by the way, they classified as secret all the information associated with the second bust, which was never revealed to the jurors, never revealed to the court, never revealed in this trial, that this guy under immunity had brought in more dope, which obviously would have gone to the credibility, uh adversely affected the credibility of this witness as he tried to say, hey, here's my story, put these border patrol agents in jail.
That jury would not have bought it had they known this guy was continuing to be a drug dealer.
So how do we know that he brought that second load across?
The DEA documents with his name on it, have been shown to a few members of Congress, and they've said, Well, look, you can't release this, you can't tell anybody about it, you can't really get into detail, because these are secret.
We punch secret on them.
Therefore, you can't well, I caught up with Duncan Hunter yesterday.
Who knows about this?
You're going to hear in this tape my question of Duncan Hunter about the uh second load of dope, and then his answer, listen carefully to this.
Was there another load of dope?
Absolutely.
Absolutely, and and uh a big load of dope, and the guy was connected to it.
And uh Johnny Sutton at that point had an obligation to go to the court and say, my witness has been painted.
It's his testimony that sent him these guys to prison for for 11 and 12 years.
I've got an obligation to tell this to the court.
The interesting thing is that Johnny Sutton and the agency basically classify the information, that is the documents, that would tend to help Compion and Ramos, in fact, not only tend to help them, help them enormously.
I don't see any jury uh making a conviction if that information had been followed, had been placed before the jury or placed before the judge.
And the judge doesn't have to tell him what the information is.
He simply has to say that that uh that the credibility of the witness has been compromised.
So Duncan Hunter couldn't tell me what he saw in those documents because they were labeled secret, classified secret by the homeland security folks by the U.S. attorney, documents that would have made his star witness a liar and a violator of the immunity, the conditions of immunity obviously being you can't run drugs into the United States anymore.
He did it anyway.
He was allowed to suppress the information and to convict these border patrol agents, and it is an absolute travesty.
Well, now it turns out that uh forty-eight, forty-nine, maybe it's more than that by this time, uh, Congressman, including Duncan Hunter, Congressman uh Dana Rohrbacher of uh California and others have sent a letter to President Bush uh urging him to uh commute the sentences.
If after all, uh Libby uh scooter Libby can have his sentence commuted because he was uh misremembering or lying about uh circumstances that did not add up to a crime anyway.
How about two border patrol agents in line of duty apprehending a known drug smuggler and shooting him after he threatens, you know, turns around and threatens them, because the two border patrol agents thought they saw a gun.
I mean, they this was classic situation.
The guy turns around and extends his arm back toward you.
Well, what do you think?
He's waving goodbye.
So uh Mr. Bush, common sense, the facts and reason dictate that you at least commute the sentence of these two brave, patriotic border patrol agents.
However, you were asked that question in Nashville yesterday, and there was a different answer, which I'll play for you when we come back.
Uh Roger Hedgecock in for Rush Limbaugh back after.
Welcome back to the Rush Limbaugh program.
Roger Hedgecock in for uh Rush Rushback on Monday.
So at a town hall meeting in Nashville, Tennessee at Opriland uh uh yesterday, I guess.
Uh George Bush was asked a question about these two uh border patrol agents, uh Ramos and Compion and their trial and whether or not uh he would uh pardon uh them.
Uh I want to give you the whole question because it was a sincerely phrased question by an obviously uh concerned woman who really knew what she was talking about, and the president uh you you're not probably didn't see this because they didn't show it much on on TV, but uh she's looking at him and and he's looking at her while he listens to the question, and as he hears more of it, he's backing up and then turns around, showing her his back as he answers.
Which again, body language uh to me tells me a lot.
Here's the question and the answer by the president.
My question to you is this there are two border guards presently in jail.
The Tennessee General Assembly passed a resolution with 91 votes in the House and 30 in the Senate asking our Tennessee delegation to support to go to you asking for a pardon for these two men where that were tried where information was left not with uh was kept back from their trial.
And there's also a resolution in the in the House, H.R. 40, with a number of our Tennessee delegation signed on to that.
Will you pardon these men that are unjustly in prison?
Uh I I'm not gonna make that kind of promise in a forum like this.
Uh obviously I am interested in facts.
I know the prosecutor very well, Johnny Sutton, he's a dear friend of mine from Texas.
Uh he's a fair guy.
Uh he is uh even-handed guy, and I can't imagine well, uh you know, I'm but that's you've got a nice smile, but you can't entice me to make a public statement on something that uh requires a very uh I know this is an emotional issue, but people need to look at the facts.
These men were convicted by a jury of their peers after listening to the facts as uh as uh my friend Johnny Sutton presented them.
But um anyway.
No, I won't make you that promise.
President of the United States.
Christopher in Marlborough, Vermont.
Christopher, welcome to the Rush Limbaugh program.
Yeah.
Hi, Roger.
Yeah, I I originally uh or years ago, I was a resident of Carlsbad, California, when you were undergoing some difficulties uh at that particular time in your career.
Extreme difficulty.
Thank God that you've uh you've seen the light.
You're a reformed liberal.
Yeah.
Thank God.
In any case, uh Roger, I just wanted to point out that I heard Johnny Sutton on a radio program.
I can't remember which one, but I heard him uh a couple of weeks ago, I believe it was, and he indicated that these two border patrol agents had in fact secreted what they had done, and they had in fact taken their shell casings,
fifteen, I believe he he mentioned, and thrown them into the river, and they had failed to file a report, a shooting report on this particular incident, and that he being the good guy that he is, pr presumably, had apparently offered them a plea bargain, which they had refused.
Now, this is only what I heard on the radio via Johnny Sutton, so I really don't know.
Well, I heard this too.
I mean, I interviewed Johnny Sutton at the time this all happened, and I heard this, uh heard this too.
Uh we went and and looked into that.
I finally got, after some difficulty, a transcript of the trial.
We did read the testimony.
Uh it turns out that indeed shell casings are collected every time there is a shooting by all border patrol agents.
This is what they do.
They collect the no one threw them in the river, they were collected.
Uh there also was not a report, a report made which does violate the administrative laws of uh uh of the border patrol, but the comeback to that was that shortly after this shooting, the uh supervisor and a number of other agents were on the scene.
There were up to eight, I believe it was, uh, Border Patrol agents on that scene as they were collecting evidence of what happened.
So the two Border Patrol agents in charge thought they didn't have to file a written report.
They had already had their supervisor there.
Oh.
They already talked with him verbally.
And again, uh I've even had uh this conversation with TJ Bonner, who's the head of the Border Patrol agents union.
He says, look, technically, that is an administrative uh violation.
They could have been given uh uh a letter in their file, they could have been given a maximum, I forget what it was, a day or two off with pay uh without pay uh for that.
Uh eleven and twelve years incarceration in federal prison is nowhere near that's pretty draconian, I have I have to admit.
And and and your characterization of where this man received his wound is uh directly uh uh it corresponds with him turning to fire at these agents.
That's correct.
And by the way, we know that because when he came back over the border, uh Homeland Security had him, he still had the wound probably, had problems with his wound.
They took him into the military hospital there at El Paso, and they did uh the the doctors uh worked on his problems that associated with this gunshot, so they had a complete workup by American doctors of where the bullet entered and all of that.
That was all in edit.
Total ballistics.
Uh yes, yes.
But then uh am I correct in in assuming that this man has received a a civil set settlement from the United States government?
Uh he has received a I'm I'm told there is a settlement in his lawsuit.
They will not reveal it, and nor will they reveal the amount.
Well, so um I'm I'm br I'm I'm out of breath.
I know me too.
Christopher, thanks for the call.
Uh let's see, we got time for one more.
Uh Leon in Los Angeles, you've got a minute.
Go ahead, Leon.
Yeah, uh why doesn't somebody step up and say there was collusion between the president and Sutton to make sure that those men went to jail as a warning to the rest of the border patrol of keep your hands off those people coming across that border.
And you know what?
Even if that even if that Leon, even if that didn't happen, and I'm kind of of a suspicion it did, but even if it didn't happen, the net effect, because I talk to Border Patrol guys all the time, the net effect is that they have been given that message.
Whether it was intended as a message or not, that's the message that they have received.
If you do your job down here, if you defend yourself, if you shoot under circumstances where you're trained to shoot, you are going to be prosecuted by Johnny Sutton.
You're going to do federal time, and the consequence of that is we've had one case after another where the uh smugglers are getting emboldened.
They're driving their cars and trucks and vehicles at the agents, and the agents are trying to dodge and weave and not return fire in circumstances where they should.
So whether intended or not, that's the message.
Welcome back to the uh Rush Limbaugh program.
Roger Hedgecock filling in for uh Rush Today Rush, of course, back on uh Monday.
All the information in the meantime at Rush Limbaugh.com.
Your phone calls at 1800-282-2882.
Here's Luke in Brian, Texas.
Luke, welcome to the Rush Limbaugh program.
How are you doing, Roger?
Doing well.
How are you doing?
I'm good.
I uh I just wanted to you know call and uh I've been listening uh a guest to the show and uh most of the talk radio since uh since about two thousand six.
Um I don't know if you remember in December two thousand four.
Um you uh you came and visited some Marines in uh Bell Bell Balboa and Naval Medical Center in San Diego, and uh who had been injured in Iraq.
I was one of those Marines.
I just wanted to say thanks for uh for coming out there and visiting.
Uh it meant a lot to me and my family and and my wife.
Well, Luke, it was a privilege to be there that day.
I believe that was the day.
Were you there when I brought the uh the Charger Girls and the Harley Davidson stuff and pretty well.
Yeah, we had some fun that day giving that out.
We got some uh TVs, we got uh all kinds of uh uh uh you know things we wanted to give.
And all that was, Luke, was us saying thank you because we were there to say thank you to you for what you'd been doing for us and to under make you understand that uh you were not forgotten and that uh you know it was a painful thing and what went on with all the with all the injuries and everything, but uh we just appreciated and wanted to be there to say that.
How have you been doing since then?
I'm doing good.
Uh uh since then I've been medically retired in uh uh two thousand August 2006, so not just last August.
And now I'm uh I'm continuing my education in uh at Texas AM university.
Uh got married and uh doing well and just living the American dream, I guess.
Luke, you sure are.
God bless you.
Thank you for what you uh did for the country.
Thank you for being a positive, great role model for the for the rest of us, my friend.
Uh and thanks for the call.
Uh, it was a privilege and pleasure to be there that day and uh the other days when we uh have done our bet, uh our our best uh to uh to do what we can for these uh wounded warriors, and for that matter, for all the other military families, we've got uh something out of the local show called Homefront San Diego, where we mobilize the local listening uh uh audience to uh help military families with whatever it is they need.
Well, their loved ones are fighting this war, so it's uh it's an important part of what we do, and uh Luke, that was just heartwarming to hear from you.
Well, I appreciate it.
I appreciate you, my friend.
Thank you.
Johnny in El Paso, Texas, you're next on the Rush Limbaugh program.
Hi, Johnny.
Hi, Roger.
Thanks for taking my call.
Yes, sir.
I always enjoy your program when you're taking over for Rush.
Thank you.
Say, I've been listening about these uh border patrol agents uh here in El Paso, and I d uh I just don't know what I'm missing here.
I know that uh these guys I I'm as frustrated as the next person is about this war, this comical war on drugs, but law enforcement agents cannot, out of frustration for not being able to apprehend a suspect, just open fire on a guy.
They have to apprehend him.
They cannot act as judge, jury, and executioner.
No, but that's not what happened.
That's exactly what happened.
They tried to get this guy, he got away and have shot him in the butt.
Have you read the transcripts of the trial?
Just what I've been listening to on the on the on your program, on Russia's program.
Because here's what I get out of the transcript.
Here's what I get out of the testimony of the officers, and uh and given it was disputed by the by the drug dealer, but the officers' contention was that this guy physically grappled with them.
Uh, then he was running toward the border.
They ordered him to halt and he wouldn't halt.
So they opened fire.
He turned around wait, wait before before they opened fire, before they opened fire, Johnny, he turned around, and while he was thirty, forty yards away in the brush over there, His hand his arm comes up, he turns around and he's pointing back at them.
Now you can say he was just waving goodbye if you want to, but the normal in the normal course of events along this border, what that means to a border patrol agent is he's got his gun out and he's pointing back at the officers.
And they knew he was unarmed, or they would have filed a report.
But instead they're not sure.
No, they didn't know he was unarmed.
No, that's not the testimony, Johnny.
That's not the trial.
Now you can make this up and you can come on the program and say it, but that isn't the testimony in the trial.
That's the way the trial came out.
They were they were found guilty.
Now I tell you what I do admit.
It came out, it came out that the jury believed the drug dealer over the agents.
I understand that, and that's the conviction, and that's what we have to live with, but you can't mischaracterize the testimony of these agents.
The testimony of the agents was we thought he had a gun, he turned around and pointed at us, and we were and we fired.
Sure as hell we fired, because that's what we're trained to do.
And they were found guilty, and I I agree that their sentence was extreme, and that that particular part should be commuted.
Well, that's what I hope will happen, too.
That's what I hope will happen.
Hey, thanks for the call, uh, Johnny.
Yeah, this uh this business of uh the charges ought to be uh talked about as well because this uh uh uh charge included uh the uh the serious charge that led to the ten and twelve uh uh year uh eleven and twelve years.
Uh the charge didn't have to be, let's see, what was it, firing a gun in con in uh in uh connection with a uh violent felony.
And the violent felony, I guess, was the uh was the f was the firing, was the hitting of this guy, uh shooting him.
The firing of the gun uh was added to it didn't have to be.
And Sutton was and and Johnny Sutton, the the uh the U.S. attorney, which is not that caller, I suspect, but anyway, Johnny Sutton, the U.S. attorney, uh, said to Diane Feinstein in this hearing in the Senate the other day that he had not personally recommended the charges.
Now this didn't have a lot of credibility.
He didn't recommend the charges, that his team of prosecutors had recommended the charges.
Well, they knew perfectly well the charge they were bringing, uh, as opposed to, you know, excessive force or some other charge that maybe was one or two or three years of federal.
The the charge, and whatever it might have been, uh Sutton admitted they brought the charge that had the heaviest penalty possible under the circumstances.
So at least that part has gotten uh concurrence from Mr. Sutton himself.
Uh whether or not we can get a commutation of these uh years, it is a huge, huge problem for these families, and we now know the families of these border patrol agents.
They are uh they are trying to raise money for the uh legal defense and to assist the family so they don't lose their houses and all the rest of that that happens when the breadwinner goes away.
Both of these guys have young kids in the in the house, a number of them.
And so the border patrol agents union is uh has a defense fund.
If you care to Google them and and come up with it, you can help out.
All right, here's Bud in Medford, Oregon.
Bud, welcome to uh the Rush Limbaugh program.
Go ahead.
Hi, Roger, how are you?
Uh Dills from uh ex Sandiegan who lives in beautiful Northwest.
There you go, thank you.
Hey, Roger.
Um I'm all for these two um agents uh getting uh their pardon.
I have a question though about has anybody ever interviewed any of the jurors?
How did they come to their conclusions?
Well, they did come to their conclusions, they did were interviewed, they did come to their conclusions by saying we believed uh Mr. Aldrette, uh the drug smuggler, and and the and that and the evidence at trial, the the uh the defense attorneys were not able to show that he had violated his immunity, they were not able to show anything about his background.
They were not uh they were not able to bring in his mother who told the investigators, and we found this out later, who told the Homeland Security investigators that her son always carried a gun when he went across the border.
Uh none of that got into the evidence, so the jurors were left with what they were left with.
Uh excessive force, rogue officers, the prosecutors were saying, look, you got to send a message, you can't have this kind of thing going on, and that's the way they structured the trial.
Well, didn't the uh didn't the prosecutor have to share some of that evidence with the uh attorneys?
The judge uh the judge ruled out a lot of this stuff, and uh and whether the defense attorneys knew about it or not, they couldn't tell the jury.
The judge, by the way, is another interesting fact in this whole case.
The judge was a divorce court judge in the state of Texas, a state uh judge, who had been appointed by then Governor George Bush.
She was then appointed to the federal bench when George Bush became president.
It was in front of this judge, a Bush appointee and friend, that a Bush appointee and friend Johnny Sutton brought this case.
So again, you can make your own conclusions out of all of this, but it looks very deliberate and it looks very planned.
And I think the president, in the quote that I played for you, uh pretty much con pretty much uh convinced me that uh Johnny Sutton was there for that reason.
He's a fair guy, he's an even handed guy.
Uh Johnny uh Johnny Sutton's my friend.
Uh those are pretty strong associations.
Roger, can I ask one more question?
Go ahead.
Uh if if that's the case, it sounds almost like there was a conspiracy beforehand in the trial this.
I think what there wasn't no, no, no.
It would I but I don't want to say that.
There's no conspiracy.
What there was was an intention by this president to show Mexico and the Mexican government that he was not going to allow border patrol officers to violate the civil rights of illegal aliens as defined by the uh Mexican government.
But nevertheless, that it was an awful stiff penalty for just something that simple.
Amen to that, but I appreciate the call.
I'm Roger Hutchcock in for Rush Limbaugh, and back with more after this.
All right, I got to get to a quick update uh here on the Carver Elementary School issue.
Uh you may be following us.
Uh Roger Hedgecock in for Rush Limbaugh Rushback on Monday.
Uh, Carver Elementary in San Diego at San Diego Unified School District, a public school, a public elementary school, was uh the subject of some attention here uh by me and others because of a substitute teacher's revelation, uh Mary F Stevens, a substitute teacher uh who went uh to sit in uh as a substitute teacher in the school, was given the lesson plan, was told that at one o'clock there would be prayer time.
She said, Is it a typo?
Does this mean playtime?
Because it's sixth grade.
Uh what uh what are we talking?
No, no, prayer time, and another uh uh employee of the school district will come in and lead that prayer at one o'clock, and you can leave the classroom if you like during that time.
This is after the lunch break of twelve to twelve fifty-five.
So one o'clock is an academic hour.
Uh she goes into this class, the uh substitute teacher, it's all girls, it's all Muslim girls, it's all Somali Muslim girls.
Uh they are segregated by faith and by uh by gender.
And at one o'clock uh they uh lock the door of the classroom, but pull the blinds, and uh pray uh with the direction of this employee of the school district.
Well, it obviously uh we've been fighting this uh this prayer uh in school battle since 1962.
The U.S. Supreme Court said no, separation of church and state, God out of public schools, no prayer.
And since then, uh the uh you know, Christians have felt that uh we've fought back to try to get uh uh it's okay to do the Bible study, but only after the curriculum day, the academic day, only during a break, uh only a voluntarily between students, uh no uh employees can be involved, no facilities can be involved, all that stuff that we've been going through for 45 years.
Suddenly here's this school within a school uh dedicated to uh Islam.
It's an Arabic immersion program for these Somali students, apparently so they can read the Quran in uh in Arabic, because they don't they're not Arabic speakers, they're from Somalia.
So this um we discover all this and say, wait, wait, wait, wait a minute.
This seems to be a double standard.
This seems to be different rules.
And we've been pursuing this.
This school district's been stonewalling and doing a lot of strange uh stuff, but the latest to come out of this is oh, and I gotta tell you that the other thing I thought was really uh really interesting is the PTA had uh uh uh these uh Muslim parents, of course, uh were there at the PTA and they had had a an election to elect a president of the PTA.
The president who was elected is Mohammed Ibrahim Lakhani, and uh Mr. Lakhani was elect uh was elected, uh they raised their hands uh for the various people who were running, and Mr. McLuckani was uh and so the women raised their hands with the men.
The men looked around at the women, according to an eyewitness at this election, and the women were given to understand that they should lower their hands because women were not going to vote.
We're not gonna start with those dangerous precedents here.
Not here.
So the men elected a man to be the head of the speed.
Anyway, so we get this finally today from the superintendent Carl Cohn of San Diego Unified School District in an internal memo regarding Carver Elementary.
We are told by a reliable source that the memo says there'll no longer be a special prayer time for any students.
Obviously they can still pray at lunchtime at recess at breaks after school, before school, whatever they want to do, but they can't do it during the academic uh curriculum time.
Uh there had been previously been two minimum days when school concludes at 1230 or 1.
Tuesday for all students and Friday also for Muslim students.
The minimum day will now be Friday for all students, so no special arrangement for Muslim students, and they're not going to be any more single sex education because this facility, now there are there are single sex education facilities and experiments going on, but in the run of the mill uh public school, there's not supposed to be segregation by gender, and they will not be separated any longer at Carver Elementary by gender.
So we are making some progress to understand that if you're going to have rules, rules which of course are disputed with regard to God in school, we at least aren't going to have a situation where God is in, I mean God is out, and Allah is in.
That isn't going to happen in this school.
I got you know, and I went uh uh online.
There's a um Islamic school addresses of North America at MSA-NATL.org.
And um it look I I got what was this, 43 pages?
Forty-three pages of a printout of all the Islamic schools in the United States, some of which look to be private, and that's fine.
Catholics did the same thing, put out uh their own private schools where they could teach their religion.
That's fine.
That's uh that sounds like liberty to me.
But some of these also sound like, again, schools within a school, schools that are set up within a public school, relying on public funds.
That's a different story.
And uh so, of course, we went through this whole thing trying to define what was appropriate here for the freedom of these students as well as for the notions of equal and fair play for all students.
And uh we did this all without uh without that.
Mind you, we did this without the help of the ACLU.
I'm quite proud of that.
The ACLU, who's been meddling in every single prayer and school issue since 1962, uh refused to get involved in this one.
Hmm.
I'm Roger Hedgecock, let's take a break and we'll be right back with our concluding segment on the Rush Limbaugh program after this.
Welcome back to the Rush Limbaugh program.
Let's take another call.
Here's Alan in Hershey, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania.
Alan, go ahead.
Uh pleasure to talk with you, Roger.
I'd like to say thanks, congratulations, and God bless to the young uh Marine that called uh two callers ago, I believe, and uh was able to say after taking a shot for the country and going through rehab that he is now living the American dream.
What spirit and what uh just overwhelming tenacity that that young man has, and and just God bless him.
That one call for me uh effectively refuted the entire Democratic majority of the United States Senate.
Absolutely, absolutely, and I only wish that they could uh understand what this uh world's about.
I believe this is the Marine, by the way, that was pretty severely uh injured.
He had lost portions of his legs.
Uh he uh was he was in an IED, I believe this is the same individual in an IED explosion.
And uh we had uh uh we had raised the funds to bring his parents out and um his girlfriend's fiancee, and and it was just such a delight just to hear him say with all this confidence in his voice and all this uh this love and appreciation and positive uh uh outlook that he had gotten married, uh he was uh uh living the American dream.
I'm I'm with you, Alan.
That was an inspiring moment uh that uh certainly certainly gave me the chills, and I appreciate your call.
Well, I've got tears in my eyes, and thank you for all that you do, Roger.
Thank you.
Oh, you bet, you bet uh we we can't do enough.
Uh far as I'm concerned, we can't do enough.
Not just talking about it, we've got to do something uh about it uh in our own individual communities, and I'll leave that uh up to you.
Now, just trying to just just trying to interpret, and I know we tried Senator Byrd a little while ago, and I don't think there was a lot of uh understanding of just what Senator Byrd was saying, but let's try it uh again.
This is Senator Byrd on the uh on the VIC uh matter of the dog fighting.
That's that word resound.
From hill to hill, and from mountain to mountain, from valley and v to valley.
Term limits, anyone?
I'm Roger Hedgecock, Infor Rush.
Thank you, uh Rush, for the opportunity and the privilege of being here on the program.
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