That's uh that's right, uh Johnny Donovan uh the handsome Walter E. Williams uh filling in.
Hey, by the way, uh on that note, I get letters uh, you know, I would never expect it from a Rush Limbaugh audience, but there's a lot of envy in the audience because I get letters from guys who look at my photo on a web my website, very handsome photo, Walter E. Williams.com, and they say things like they send me email, and they say, uh, you ought to be embarrassed having your son uh picture your son on your website, or uh why don't you put a picture that's not 20 years old uh up there?
Uh folks, the the photo there was taken, I think a year and a half ago, possi possibly two years ago, and I just think it's envy on behalf of you guys, because you you're probably sitting around your wife saying to you, oh what a handsome guy that is.
I wish you were as handsome as he was.
And then you get angry and you write me these nasty notes.
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Now, ladies and gentlemen, I want to turn to some of my colleagues in the economics profession.
And and I saw it in a in an article written in the uh New York Times, I believe it was July 10th or July 11th, and the title of the call of the article, and it's written by Patricia Cohen, I think she's a saph writer with the New York Times, and it says, in economics department, there's a growing will to debate the fundamental assumptions.
And let me give you let me give you an idea.
Now for many economists, the uh questioning the free market uh is akin, that's what that's what this lady said, is akin to expressing belief in intelligent design at a Darwin uh convention.
And then she she goes on to, you know, she's talking about how these economists that she interviewed uh are questioning the free market.
And she interviews uh Princeton Professor Alan Binder, Blinder, uh, and he is the former uh chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank, and he blinder says, Well, what I have learned is anyone who says anything that sounds obliquely hostile to free trade is treated as an apostate.
And continuing his criticism of mainstream economists, he adds that efforts to intervene in the market, such as the minimum wage, industrial policy, and price controls are viewed negatively by the economics profession.
And that's quite true.
But let's look.
Let's look at when people criticize the free market, what are they criticizing?
Well, first we have to talk about what is a free market.
Well, a free market is simply millions and millions, millions upon millions, or billions upon millions, of individual decision making d decision makers, you and I, you and me, and we're all engaged in peaceable voluntary exchange, pursuing what we see in our own best interest.
That's what a free market is.
Now, people who denounce the free market, people who criticize the free market and voluntary exchange, and are for control and coercion, these are people that believe that they're more intelligent and they have superior wisdom to the masses, and they believe that they have been ordained by God to forcibly impose that wisdom that they have on the rest of us.
Now, these people who want to impose their wisdom on the rest of us, interfere with the decision of millions and millions of decision makers, they have what they consider to be good reasons for restricting the freedoms of others.
But I'm here to tell you, ladies and gentlemen, every single tyrant that has ever existed has had what the tyrant believed to be uh a good reason for restricting the freedoms of others.
Now, see, tyrants do not trust that people behaving voluntarily will do what the tyrant thinks that they ought to do.
And that's why uh they are against the free market, because the free market implies voluntary behavior, so they want to replace the market with economic planning, or as uh blinder uh the Professor Princeton, industrial policy.
Now, I'll give you, ladies and gentlemen, a definition of of uh economic planning that will last you the rest of your lives.
Economic planning is nothing more than the forcible superseding of somebody else's plan by the powerful elite.
Let me give you a few examples.
I might plan to buy a car, a shirt, or some apples from a foreign producer, because I see it in my own best interest.
The powerful elite will say, Williams, we're gonna supersede your plan through tariffs and quotas because we think you ought to make the purchases from a domestic producer.
Or my daughter might plan to work for the hardware store guy down the street for four dollars an hour.
She says it's okay, he says it's okay, her mother says it's okay, her father says it's okay.
But the powerful elite will say, we're gonna supersede that plan because it's not being transacted at the prices we think it ought to be transacted at.
And so that's what economic planning is.
It's the it's the uh tramping of somebody else's plan by the powerful elite.
Now, in this column, or in this article written by Cohen, she goes on to interview an economist, uh formerly from Princeton, now at Berkeley, I believe, and she says that he's in his name is David Card.
He says that she says that he's done groundbreaking research on increases in the minimum wage.
Now, there are literally hundreds of studies that show that increase in the minimum wage causes unemployment for the least skilled worker, particularly teenagers and particularly black teenagers.
But Professor Carr's study asserts that increases in minimum wage actually increases employment.
Now, beside a number of uh economic reviews that show that his study has statistical flaws in it, his conclusion doesn't even smell uh past the uh smell test.
For example, if increases of minimum wage actually increased employment, wouldn't that be wonderful?
That is, whenever there's a high unemployment anywhere in the world, Then governments could eliminate it by just increasing the minimum wage.
It does not make sense, does it?
Also, and this is going to be hard for me to say, she did an interview with Robert Reich.
I don't say it as good as Rush does.
And you know, remember Robert Rice, he served in Clinton's uh administration as labor secretary.
And he says that these wonderful economists who are questioning free market theories want to speak to the reality of our times.
Now that's incredible.
That's incredible.
Now he he's just a pretend economist.
But that's incredible.
Because reality, ladies and gentlemen, doesn't depend on whether it's 1907 or 2007.
But Robert Reich probably thinks that the reality of the laws of demand depends on what year it is.
That's nonsense.
I wonder also whether he thinks that the laws of gravity also depend on what year it is.
Yes.
Now, the if you look at this uh article, if you read this article, you'll find that the the um the views expressed by some of these economists who were innovative interviewed by Mrs. Cohen, while out of the mainstream of the majority of America uh most economists are solidly uh in the mainstream of mankind's traditional vision.
That is, throughout mankind's history, the right to pursue one's goals in a peaceful, voluntary manner, without direction and control, this idea has been has always won a hostile reception.
And there's little old that's older in human history than the idea that some people should give orders and others should obey.
And this is what these economists are talking about, and I think that they've missed the boat.
We'll be back with your calls after this.
Walter Williams uh sitting in for Rush, and Rush will be back uh on Monday, and you can be on with us by calling 800 282-2882.
Before we go to phones, let me give you uh a little I I I wrote a uh a column about this uh um several weeks ago, and it related some of my experiences as a graduate student uh in economics at UCLA, and when I attended UCLA, it was probably ranked uh 10 or 11th uh in the country in terms of economics department.
Anyway, one of my memories, I have many, many memories of my graduate student days at UCLA, it was during a uh a faculty graduate student coffee hour, and I was having an informal conversation with uh Professor Armin Alshin and of the 20th century, he has to be one of the top ten economists of the 20th century, and he was also one of my very tenacious mentors.
Anyway, during this conversation, I was trying to impress uh Professor Alshin with my knowledge of uh of what in statistics they call the type one and type two error.
And I was telling him that my wife, Mrs. Williams, she assumes that everybody is her friend until they prove differently.
And I was pointing out to Professor Alshin, uh, while such that such an assumption maximizes the number of friends she has, it also maximizes the probability for uh her to be betrayed.
And I said, unlike my wife, I assume that everybody is my enemy until they prove that they're my friend.
And I said that uh, well, of course, this reduces the number of friends that I would have, but it also reduces the chances of betrayal.
And so uh Professor Alshin, uh donning a very mischievous smile, he said to me, he asked, he said, Williams, have you considered a third alternative?
And I said, What is that?
He said, Have you considered that people don't give a damn about you one way or the other?
And when he asked that, I was a little bit taken back and a little bit insulted, uh, But our conversation ended that, and that was very typical of Professor Alshin uh to say something profound and perhaps controversial without much comment and then let you think about it.
And I thought about it.
I thought about it for uh uh you know, maybe in the early part, maybe a couple of years.
I thought about it once a while uh in during my early professional career, and I conclude that he is right.
I conclude that the average for the average person, people don't give a damn about you one way or the other.
And so let's do a thought experiment on this so far as race is concerned in our country.
Let's apply it to issues of race.
Now, listening to some black people, one might think that white people are engaged in an ongoing conspiracy to undermine the achievements of black people.
And the evidence for these people who take that position is the large number of black men in prison, the low black academic achievement, and poverty.
And for some, the racism is the root of high black illegitimacy and family breakdown.
Now, if you ask the question, well, are white people obsessed with and engaged in a conspiracy against black people?
I'm kind of guessing no.
And now here's an experiment that you should do.
Uh walk up to the average white person and ask him, how many minutes today have you been thinking about a black person?
Now, if the person that you were talking to was not a clansman or a uh gushing do-gooder, he'd probably say zero minutes.
I haven't thought about black people at all.
And if you ask him whether he's under some kind whether he's part of some kind of conspiracy to undermine the achievement of black people, he'd probably look at you as like you're crazy.
Now, by the same token, if you ask me, Williams, how many minutes today have you been thinking about white people?
Now I probably say, well, you have to break down the time interval into smaller units like nanoseconds for me to be able to give you a good answer, and to be very small.
Now, because people don't don't care about you one way or the other does not mean that they wish you goodwill, ill will, or no will.
Now, if Professor Alshin's vision of the world is correct, then what are its implications for anybody black, white, purple, or green, the major implication is that one's destiny for the most part is is in its own hands.
That is how you make it in this world for the most part depends on what you do as opposed to whether people like or dislike you.
In other words, in order to be and which was kind of implied in some of the questions in the last hour, in order to be successful in this world, what do you have to do?
Well, you have to find ways to please your fellow man.
You have to find what your fellow man wants that he does not have.
And after you find out what he wants that he does not have and is willing to pay for, then acquire the necessary skills, education, and talents to provide it.
And whether people care about one another or not, I think is largely irrelevant.
So as a matter of fact, I think that and the cure for poverty, here's the cure for poverty.
There are about four things you need to do.
Almost and it's almost a written guarantee that you will not be poor.
One, graduate from high school.
Two, don't get don't have children until you're married.
Three, stay married, take any kind of job, and stay out of jail.
Now, matter of fact, according to the census, people who have That characteristic.
Only eight percent of them are poor, as opposed to, let's say, among blacks, and eight percent of blacks are poor as opposed to uh something like twenty-five, twenty-six percent of uh total poverty among blacks uh you know as a whole.
And so it's it's almost a no brainer not to be poor.
That is fine ways to please your fellow man and you won't be poor.
That's how people become very rich.
Bill Gates is very rich because he's found out how to please his fellow man, how to get Walter Williams to cough up three hundred dollars for his windows and do so voluntarily.
We're back, and it's Walter Williams sitting in for the vacation in Rush, and he will be back on Monday.
Uh one more thing before we go to the phones.
Um I was reading an article and says the NAACP plans to bury the N word.
And so I I first off I thought, well, they're gonna get rid of nappy, because they got pretty upset over nappy.
And so I say that can't be it.
Anyway, the article goes on, it says a uh a mock funeral is held in Detroit.
And the N word they're talking about is nigger.
And by the way, the people who I hear use that word the most are black people.
And uh for and this was see, I'm 71 years old, though I you know you probably personally average look at me and think I'm 45 or something in late thirties, something like that.
But when I was coming up, even among black people to call another black person a nigger that was fighting words.
But today it's not.
Uh I don't know, but I hope the NAACP is successful in uh burying the N word.
Let's go to the phones and welcome Dale from Las Vegas to the show.
Welcome to the show, Dale.
Hi, I just wanted to say I used to be a regular Republican in the middle class, and I've been listening to you, and I just have to disagree with you.
Well, that's fine.
And so yeah, as a matter of fact, when I when I get outside, you know, when I give a lectures, I tell people I'm not necessarily trying to get people to agree with me.
What I'm trying to do is to challenge conventional wisdom so that you will have another thing to think about.
That's all I'm trying to do.
You know, I uh just heard your comment about the NAACP.
Yeah.
Are they bearing Mark Twain's books too?
Because when I was young and in school, they said Mark Twain was a great American author.
Yeah.
And he used that word, and if that word is buried, then you're gonna have to bury all his books too.
And some other books as well.
I don't know what they have in mind.
But I I think that uh uh I think that maybe the NWCP is doing something good because a lot of these raptors, uh ra uh uh rappers, I mean they they they speak disgusting language and uh particularly about uh black women.
But you didn't call you didn't call about about that, did you?
Well, I I tell no, I didn't.
I I wanted to say that I've managed to fall through the cracks.
I got uh I put myself through college, I got a four-year degree, magna cumulato in manufacturing.
I never in my life dreamed that my own country would outsource manufacturing because we won World War II by having a tremendous manufacturing capability.
You're talking about Henry Ford.
Now, if you want to buy something, it's gonna be from somewhere else.
If we get into serious conflict, I don't think we're gonna have to do that.
Well, look uh uh we're we militarily we're the mightiest country on the face of the earth, and and I don't I don't see anything in the future that's gonna stop it, and then moreover, if we're gonna fight a serious war, it should be over in a few minutes.
I'm not talking about these little uh uh tap on the backs like we see in uh Iraq.
I really disagree with you because without any money, you can't afford to have those carriers out there, and if we base our economy on low tech, low wage jobs, service jobs, the manufacturing's gone, those people aren't gonna pay enough to cover their own services.
Service jobs are wonderful.
Now they for for example.
Now can you you a lot of our textile industry has gone overseas, right?
More than just that.
Okay, right.
But however, I mean, can you imagine a textile worker?
Uh you know, he's maybe at a sewing machine or at some kind of loom.
Can you imagine him saying, I hope my little Susie, when she grows up, she'll have a machine of her own, or do you think he's saying, Well, I hope my little Susie, when she grows up, she'll be an accountant, she'll be a nurse, she'll be a doctor, she'll be all these other uh so-called service jobs that you are demeaning.
I'm not demeaning them.
I've had to work 'em, but aren't they one it's is isn't it wonderful for that particular textile worker?
What do you think he's saying?
Do you think he's she's saying I want little Susie to have her own sewing machine, or do you think he's saying I'd like for her to be a nurse?
Well, I think you're talking about a different era.
There hasn't been anybody sewing in the United States.
Well, operating operating a loom.
You think my little Susan, I'd like for her to operate this loom.
Look, the point of progress is the destruction of jobs.
That's the point of when you know, for example, I I was given testimony in Congress a number of years ago, and I was saying to the Congressman, he says, our job, Professor Williams, is to save jobs.
And I asked him, what would you have done to save the stagecoach driver's job?
I mean, what would you have done to save the ice man's job?
I mean, that is uh the destruction, you know th what uh Schumpeters call it, he calls it creative destruction.
And so what that means, you know let me give him another example.
Let me finish.
He says, uh with uh shump aider.
What that means is that as progress is made, some jobs go away and other jobs take its place.
For example, in nineteen seventy-two, the communications industry hired four hundred and seventy-four thousand uh long distance telephone operators.
Today they hired less than sixty thousand.
Now all those jobs have been destroyed.
Now, what has happened is that back in nineteen seventy-one uh there were roughly ninety million long ninety b uh nine billion long distance calls.
Today there are a hundred billion.
So technology has replaced those workers.
Well, should those workers say, well, gee, uh my job has been outsourced to a machine.
Well, should they lament that?
The the middle class is being completely destroyed.
If you walk around a big city, it's there's something going on and I used to quote your words almost word for word.
And it's not it's not coming to pass.
The the price of things is so high now that the bottom rung on the economic ladder the price of what is so high?
Okay, what's a gallon of milk go for?
Well, I don't know, about three, three something.
Well, you haven't shopped in a while, because last week I went to the grocery store, it was four seventy-nine.
Oh, well, that's uh and you know why?
Yeah, if it's four seventy-nine, and matter of fact, one of the reasons why milk prices are high is because you're a government where they mandate minimum prices on milk.
I I studied economics very well, and I I was a Reagan Republican.
Well, do you know do you but what do you think about minimum prices?
Well, what I'm saying is I believe in a free market even now, but we have some fundamental problems when we don't control citizenship.
The fund the fundamental problem with our is number one, we do not have a free market.
That is there's a whole there's a whole lot of government intervention, and what we need to do is to eliminate some of the government intervention.
It's too it I think it's too late for that.
Oh well, yeah, because many Americans are saying we want more government.
We want more government, we want government to do this.
That's just complicating the problem, but you're still talking about black and white issues.
Let me tell you, we ought to band together because it's not just black this whites aren't even reproducing well enough to replace their own ranks.
There's not going to be enough Whites to fight with anymore.
And uh there's other people in the world who are much more of a problem.
And well, you're you I th I think you kind of changed the topic.
We weren't talking about that, were we?
They're all plugged together though.
You're saying that the markets you're saying that the market is broken.
Yeah.
Well the market.
Well, what I gotta do, what what I have to do right now uh is not connected dots, but go out and try to make some money for us.
We'll be back with your calls after this.
We're back, uh Walter Williams uh filling in for Rush.
You know, folks, um before we go to the phone, I think that people who are are compla they think somebody ought to do something for them.
Uh somebody ought to give them something.
And this is not the way I was raised.
I remember my uh I was raised very, very poor in the uh we lived in in the Richard Allen project in North Philadelphia.
Um and my stepfather, he used to say that the way to success is to come early and stay late and work your butt off.
And when you get a job, uh try to do that job so well that the boss is going to wonder hit to himself that how in the world did he make it without you.
I mean, that's uh that's that's a ticket of success.
That is come early, stay late, and try to be prepared.
Um and people are wondering why did the government do this?
When did the government take care of that?
Um that surely was not the uh the upbringing of many, many Americans of the past, but unfortunately it's uh lesson for the day.
Let's go to Toleda, Ohio and welcome Gary to the show.
Dr. Williams.
Yes.
Hello.
I called I wanted to uh I want to take issue with you on uh on this government intervention, and and I'm I'm not a very pro-government person, uh you might say.
I don't like government intervention very much, but I did take the Wackawana uh coal mine tour up in Pennsylvania some years back, and something really struck me there was the way they used children in these mines and and the most dangerous jobs in the mines they had the children doing.
Well uh that was stopped by government intervention, which uh you know in that particular case was certainly a good thing.
Well, you know what, uh many of child labor laws that protected uh children from working in dangerous mines and factories now protect children from working in air conditioned offices.
What do you think about that?
Well, I don't like it.
Okay, but on the other but on the other hand.
Now, here's a family of six.
They're very, very poor.
And so how if they're going to eat every day and have a roof over the head, maybe everybody needs to be working.
And so somebody says, Well, uh, we're not gonna allow your children to work.
Well, that makes the family poor.
I think that whether my child works is not up to some congressman, it's up to me and the child's mother.
It's nobody else's business.
Well well, unless you send that child into the coal mines to be the Well, if if I want him to work in the coal mine, it's still my business.
It's nobody else's business because that's my child.
Well I mean but Jay now now here's what now here's what now here's what a politician would say.
I encountered apologies, I'm not gonna mention her name.
It was uh she's from uh uh Colorado, she was a call apologist in Colorado.
But we we were at some conference and we were talking about uh education, and she said to me, Well, Professor Williams, I care about your daughter.
I care about every child.
And so I asked her, What's my daughter's name?
And she couldn't come up with her name, and and she's gonna care about my daughter, and she doesn't even know my daughter's name.
So anyway, well, thanks for calling in.
Let's go to um Burlington, Washington, and welcome Marty to the show.
Well, thank you very much, Walter.
I appreciate you and I agree with you the you get up early and you work hard, and I feel as though I'm successful only because I'm not a dependent.
But I own my own little business, And what aggravates me is that I have to comply to all kinds of rules and regulations in the marketplace and then pay for them, of course.
And then yet we as a country open our arms to other countries that don't have to comply by these same rules, so it's pretty hard for us to manufacture and compete no matter what.
I I hear that I hear that very often, Marty.
And so I'd like to see us turn the table if our government feels as though they need the money because we're very compassionate and loving people.
If we want to need this money, then instead of coming after us that are trying to make it on our own, why don't we go after these imports and stuff like they do to us as a matter of fact?
Wait, wait, wait a minute, wait a minute, Marty.
Now, a lot of it's it's quite right, you're absolutely right that the EPA, OSHA, and all these other organizations, they can impose costs on you, but they'd have no jurisdiction in Taiwan.
Now, so what I would do, no, I think what we what international trade does, it reveals the cost of many of these regulations that are handicapping American firms.
And you know, matter of fact, I was interviewed for the uh vice presidency of a firm some number a number of years ago, a very, very big firm, and I was asked uh by the uh by the uh uh uh the people who are interviewing me, what would I do about these imports that are killing us?
And I say, well, look, I would get together with my other uh competitors and I would go to Congress and say, we're gonna shut down unless you uh end these onerous regulations that are making us uncompetitive to relative to our competition around the world.
That's what I would do.
And so, but however, a lot of people will say, just I think as you're suggesting, uh Marty, that because uh other countries have uh restrictions on our imports, that we should retaliate by having restrictions on their imports.
Well, that makes that does not make a lot of sense because if you're saying, well, look, if Japan does not allow our cheap goods to come in, if Japan doesn't allow our rice to come in, and they and as a result, the Japanese uh uh people, consumers pay four times the world price for rice.
Well, the way that we ought to retaliate against the pr Japan is to get even with Japan is to force Americans to pay four times the price of some kind of thing.
That is, and it's almost like uh me, you and I are in a boat at sea, and I shoot a hole in my end of the boat.
Now what are you gonna do?
You'll say, Williams, I'm gonna get even with you, I'm gonna shoot a hole in my end of the boat too.
Well, both sink.
And so uh uh, you know, retaliatory uh pressures are really just kind of saying if one country screws its citizens, we're gonna retaliate by screwing our citizens.
I don't think that's right.
I would just say to Japan, you go unscrew your citizens.
We're not gonna do that to Americans.
We'll be back with your calls after this.
Back to the phones for one more call to uh shut down a week of uh excellence and broadcasting.
Let's uh welcome the show, Angela from Pittsburgh.
Welcome to the show.
Uh thank you.
Walter, uh, want to thank you for uh speaking in the past at Grove City College, one of the finest private institutions in the country uh that accepts no government uh funding directly or indirectly.
That's a nice plug for Grove City College.
Uh which by the way is a great college.
And it uh accepts no federal money, and it has uh students who are in financial need and it takes care of them itself.
That proves that if we try, we can do it, can't we?
Absolutely.
Well, thank you very much for waiting and uh and letting uh the audience know that uh ladies and gentlemen.
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It's like try to get an iPhone for Mrs. Williams uh for a gift.
You know, I I uh you know, you guys always ask me about what kind of gift I'm gonna get Mrs. Williams.
Uh and matter of fact, you guys really bug me with this because I think you ought to get your own gift ideas.
And for those of you uh who aren't uh on this, I uh one year ago, it all started, but I guess several several years ago, I got Miss Williams some golf shoes.
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