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July 12, 2007 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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July 12, 2007, Thursday, Hour #2
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That's exactly right.
Why should the Breck girl get all of thunder?
Why should he get all the credit for this poverty tour that he is going to launch on Monday in New Orleans?
Hell.
I'm going to do, I'm going to do my own poverty tour this afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
Greetings and welcome, Rush Limbaugh, back at you here.
It's open line Friday on Thursday because I will be out tomorrow.
Walter Williams will be guest hosting the uh the program.
So whatever you want to talk about today is fine.
And normally uh on Thursday, Monday through Thursday, you got to talk about what I'm interested in, or you're out of luck.
Uh, because I'm not going to sit here and waste my time talking about things I don't care about, because uh A, don't want to be bored, and B, don't want to sound boring, and both would happen.
But on Thursday or Friday, normally they're going to do it today, we uh uh broom that, and whatever you want to talk about is fine, and I will fake being interested, even if I'm not.
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That's right.
I'm gonna do my own poverty tour, and I'm gonna do it today.
I'm not gonna wait till Monday, and I'm not gonna go to New Orleans.
I'm just gonna cross the bridge.
I have to go to the airport later today.
And my route is gonna take me with if I just make a two-block detour from the main drag.
My route will take me past poverty.
And I'm gonna drive by and I'm gonna look at it.
Uh and I'm I'm going, no, I won't get out that far to Snerdley's place.
Uh no, it's really just across the bridge.
And then I will I'll drive a slow down a little bit, look out uh both sides of the car, uh, see what I see, and on Monday when I get back, I'll report in on uh on my poverty tour.
And I'll let you know if if uh in fact I'll take the poverty tour Monday morning again before coming back and see if anything I did by driving through there, because I'm gonna drive through with a pretty nice car.
It might inspire people to get out of poverty.
Never know.
I'll go back on Monday on my way to work.
I'll take a big detour.
I don't have to cross the bridge to get to work, but I'll do that on Monday.
I'll take my second tour, so I'll get two poverty tours in before the Brett girl even gets his started.
And uh I'll get the same results he does.
Also, you know, they've re- they've uh they've released some more Nixon tapes.
And it's amazing when you go through these the excerpts of the tapes.
Uh Nixon was it was a fire break.
He wanted to bury these Democrats, and he was mad because the Republicans are too polite.
And you read these things and you realize there isn't much that's changed.
There really isn't.
The way the press treats Republicans, the way Republicans react to it and deal with it or don't deal with it.
But there was a um there's an excerpt from my friend Roger Ailes, who's the CEO of Fox News Channel, and apparently Nixon was uh somewhere walking a rope line.
It was a public reception or something, and and Ailes is watching it on TV and flashed off a memo to Haldeman.
Uh said, hey, uh you you gotta get him to pay more attention to his wife.
Uh there's a couple of times he just left her stranded out there on the rope line.
Uh you know, the updated version of that memo today would be make sure you get us some interns on that rope line.
So your wife won't even be with you on the rope line.
Okay, let's see.
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Uh some of you uh concerned that uh only one winner so far has been a woman.
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Actually, a bunch of people, are you making sure that every winner's a legal citizen?
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I didn't see the note.
Tony Snow, welcome to the program.
I how long have you been on hold?
I'm doing fine.
Good to be here, Roger.
How long have you been on hold?
I've sorry I've made it No, I've just been on hold.
It's it's just been a matter of seconds.
Just got here.
Okay, great.
Tony, I thought the the interim report today, and I know you're you're gonna be talking about this, uh, but I I thought there's so much good in this, and I spent the first hour, the first segment of the first hour giving a big shout out to the troops because they deserve it.
They're doing yeoman's work, they've only been at full strength for a month over there on the surge, and and they need uh the great shout out.
I thought the president was was fabulous today.
Uh what should everybody know about these benchmarks in this interim report?
Well, uh a couple of things.
First, let me back up.
Uh the interim report is the beginning of a new kind of surge, and it's a surge of facts.
Because what's happened with a lot of uh the war in Iraq, as you know, Rush, is that people get pictures of of dead bodies, but they don't get any sense of what's actually going on in the ground.
And today you got a little bit of that in terms of this interim report that says, even though just a couple of weeks ago, even though when they were writing this report, we are just getting our last forces into place.
If you take a look at the plan for Iraq, which was get your security picture first, then move on to political progress.
Guess what you find out?
You find out that we've had a lot of success in security.
Not only have the Iraqis stepped up, they got three brigades in Baghdad, they've got stations now and in all ten districts in Baghdad.
We have seen a dramatic reversal in the thought processes of Iraqis and places like Anbar province, because all of a sudden they realized that they had a choice to go after Al Qaeda, and the moment they realized that somebody had their back, what did they do?
They joined up with us, they went after Al Qaeda.
They're doing it in Diala province.
They're doing it in sections of Baghdad.
In other words, people are responding the way you would think, which is you give them a little bit of security, they're gonna follow their natural yearning to be free.
So uh you're absolutely right.
The most important part of this report is the security piece.
What you're likely to hear is a lot of grumbling, well, they haven't made the political benchmarks.
Well, we've always said that politics would come after security.
And and it is.
At some point, you know, the Iraqis do have to make a lot of the accommodations so that the Iraqis look at their government as being their legitimate representative.
They look at each other as neighbors rather than as feuding sects, and all that stuff is gonna happen.
But the first thing you got to do is you gotta go after the bad guys who are going in and beheading kids and destroying farms and threatening families.
Uh these are invaders from these are al Qaeda invaders, many of whom come through Syria.
And it's now time for the American people to wake up to to really the heroic achievements of our forces.
Let me ask you a question about the political side of this, because uh I uh uh must admit that I made some comments on this in the first hour, but uh these benchmarks have been set up by by Congress.
We got a Congress right now run by the Democrats for seven and a half months, uh six and a half months.
Uh you talk about their benchmarks, they're one out of seven.
They're not doing anything but harassing you people in the White House.
They're doing nothing.
Three hundred investigations in one hundred days, and yet here they are trying to tell this fledgling democracy in Parliament what to do and how soon to do it when they can't get anything done of any substance themselves.
Well, they'd certainly rather investigate than legislate, wouldn't they?
And you know, they've they've been trying for seven months to to drag the attorney general across the coals, and they can't get anything on them, but they're still doing earrings.
Now, I think you're right about that.
Uh, I also think that the reason we need a surge in facts is a lot of members of Congress, Democrats and Republicans.
They go back home and people say, get out of that war.
It's a terrible war.
Well, that's because all they see is a failure narrative that gets played out on their TV screens.
On the other hand, when they start getting a glimpse of what our folks are doing, I think they're going to change their minds.
They're going to say, well, wait a minute.
These people are on a mission that is going to make us freer and safer in the long run.
And that it's going to be the once and for all refutation of terror.
Americans don't want to fail.
They don't want to leave in humiliation.
They don't want to give bin Laden any talking points.
And so I think we've got an opportunity over the next couple of months, not merely to lay out what's going on, but also General Petraeus and Ambassador Croc are going to have time also to assemble.
And by the way, these guys are not doing political shilling.
This this is a very realistic report, and they'll give you a snapshot.
They'll tell you what's been achieved in the last two months.
Americans want to win, ultimately.
And the president said it today.
He said, look, all they want to know is that we're in this to win, and we got a plan for winning.
And now it's time for us to step up here at the White House and around the country and people to say, okay, we're going to take a look at the benchmarks for victory, not for getting out.
We are talking with Tony Snow, the White House press press secretary.
Do something for me for for my audience.
Define victory.
Victory is an Iraqi government where everybody's got their rights, where people can start earning a living, they can start planning not on how you fight against Al Qaeda, but how you build a peaceful future.
It is not, you know, total absence of terror, because the terrorists are going to keep trying to go after it.
But it's basically an Iraq where the Iraqis take control of the key things.
Their security, their economy, their future.
And the ability to resist an attempt by Al Qaeda and Iran to take over the country and part of the absolutely part and parcel of security.
And look, we're going to be there.
We're going to have their back.
It's interesting.
Yeah, you know the dirty little secret is that if if, and this is a hypothetical, if a Democrat wins a White House in 08, they're not pulling the troops out of it.
Of course not.
You know, you see this all the time, Rush, which is on the political stump.
People go out and they say stuff that they know it just isn't true.
They they know American people want to want somebody to say, we're going to leave the war and we're going to have peace.
They know perfectly well that if we leave, what you're going to have is the equivalent of a detonation where terror is going to start emanating out from Iraq.
It's going to gobble up the Middle East, it's going to go to North Africa, it's going to go to Europe, it's going to go to Pakistan, and sooner or later it's going to wash up on our shore and it's going to be a big problem.
They know this.
And so it is absolutely irresponsible for anybody to think that you pull out of the fight before you win, because if you don't, the American people in the whole world are huge losers.
Well, but my point is politically the Democrats are misleading everyone.
They would love to lose this war, but they'd love that loss to be hung around the president's neck.
Yeah.
But they're not going to, if they are running the country in 08, they are not going to pull out of there and cause defeat and have it associated with them.
The troops are not coming out of there until the situation you described is established.
Exactly right.
And you know what?
One of the things I like about working for this president, he understands this.
And what's he trying to do?
He is trying to give the next president, Democrat or Republican, the tools to win.
One of the things he mentioned today is you gotta you gotta upgrade your surveillance programs, you know, the the FISA law, so that you can make sure if there are people plotting to kill us, that we can find out who they are and we can go after them.
I mean, we've got to make sure that we modernize the law so we can do everything we can to protect the American people.
He's putting all that stuff in place.
He's creating a great big anti-terror toolbox for the next president of the United States.
Because you know what?
Al Qaeda isn't gonna change just because there's an election, and the next president's gonna need the tools.
Tony, thanks for your time.
How are you doing personally?
I am doing great.
It's great to be back on and uh You sound great.
You sound like you're full of Vim and vigor, as they said in the 60s.
Yeah, Vim and vigor.
Well, look, man, I'm motivated.
This this is really important.
And you know me, Rosh.
I I never balk from a good fight.
No, you never have.
Never have.
Well, we appreciate your time.
It's always nice to have you.
And I'm sorry we got to you late.
That's okay.
Thanks, my friend.
Tony Snow at the White House will take a brief time out and be right back after this.
Hi, welcome back.
We're doing open line uh Friday on Thursday, ladies and gentlemen, 800 282-2882.
If you'd like to join us, this is Chris in Kansas City, Missouri.
Nice to have you on the program.
Hey, Stroud's chicken dittoes from KC.
Oh, man, you're making my mouth water, especially since I uh can't have any of that right now.
Listen, I just had a couple of quick points, two quick points to make about Iraq.
You know, President Bush talked about the war fatigue earlier today.
And the American people can't really be have war fatigue right now because they haven't made any sacrifices.
The American people are they're suffering from that's an excellent point.
Uh but I th the president meant because he also talked about the psychology of the American people.
He's what he's referring to as war fatigue.
They're sick and tired of seeing news that shows us losing.
They're sick and tired of a drumbeat of negativity, and they don't want to hear that anymore.
They want to win or get out if we're gonna lose.
That's that's what the president was talking about.
Well, also, you know, we'd be in a much better position to deal with Iran in Syria right now if the Democrats would have just supported this thing in Iraq.
Because they're, you know, the the threat is not going to be enough to deter them now.
Now they're gonna have to use force there too.
Uh well more than likely.
Uh that that's one of the problems that this fatigue uh is is uh is gonna lead to, is because this is not this is not the last front we're gonna have to face this threat.
Yeah, but this fatigue is not real fatigue.
It's just it's propaganda with just all this negativity that the Democrats are and we haven't made any sacrifices here.
The the the the war fa the the military families and the military have been making sacrifices, and they're not fatigued.
They're ready to finish this job.
I uh I understand that.
I understand it totally.
Uh uh the but it's you know, you you say they haven't had to make any sacrifices.
I talk about the fact that we have so much affluence in this country that people don't have to pay attention to it if they don't want to.
They don't it th their their actions not required in order of the for the war effort to move on.
We we're both saying the same thing.
But y you do you disagree that there is a um just a uh a feeling of unsettledness among a lot of people over the fact that this war has not seemed to move off the dime in four years.
You and I understand that most people understand that the wars don't have timetables and so forth, but the perception is there hadn't been any progress that it's because of what they're being told.
It's because of the the uh misinformation and the drive-by media, but that still creates a reality, even though it's based in propaganda.
That's true.
But you know, the Islamists always said that you know, i we'll just get tired and go away if if they just wait us out.
Right.
And and we gotta prove that that's not right.
Well, you know, that's that is going to depend on who the president is.
I did you watch the president today, the whole thing?
Pretty much.
Well, you know, he's not he's not gonna he's not gonna give up.
He's not gonna quit.
He's not gonna do he's not gonna draw down.
He's he's not gonna he's not gonna reduce the ability we have to win this thing, especially with the the security side of the uh interim report that uh was released today.
He's he made it clear he's not gonna focus group this.
He's not gonna listen to the polls on this.
He does he can't he doesn't have that luxury.
He's just showing he has a lot of class.
He's willing to take a hit on his approval ratings to get the job done over there.
Right.
Because as he said, he wants to look in the mirror when he's back home in Crawford after his presidency is over and not be embarrassed.
He wants to be able to look at himself in the mirror and said he did everything he did uh because it was the right thing to do and out of uh out of principle.
He's not going anywhere on this.
So the American people can sit there and be fatigued all they want.
Let them take it out on the Democrats.
Uh Jim, and because he's not running for re-election, Jim in Colorado Springs, you're next.
Great to have you on the EIB network.
Rush, thanks for taking my call.
Uh I uh uh uh uh enjoy your show and I agree with you on your take on issues ninety-six and one-a-first of the time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Uh yeah, yeah.
I I I uh and since I found out that you're running everything and know all, uh as an old retired Marine officer, not related to Murph.
Uh I had to call you, and I don't want to add to an air of redundancy, but I had a questionslash point.
The question uh that I had, you just asked Tony Snow at 120 your time.
And that's what is what constitutes victory in Iraq.
Well, what do you think of his answer?
Uh the answer is is uh uh parallels the the policy uh uh President Bush's the administration's position on the on the issue.
And uh President Bush said this morning at the press conference uh that he had considered going a political uh pursuing a political uh solution by going to the UN, which I consider the UN uh a uh unnecessary evil but generally used.
But he did.
He was responding to Helen Thomas, who made an accusation.
And her accusation was, don't you realize that the Kida is in Iraq is you?
And he says, no, we tried to solve this diplomatically.
I picked her bag up on the floor of the press club one day.
For a year and a half.
Rush, I think the...
Tell you what, Jim, hang on here.
I want to know what you thought of Tony Snow's answer and definition of victory, but I've got to take a quick time out.
in just a second running uh America an untamed m member of the GOP message machine untamed member as dubbed me by the Washington Post.
All right, back now to Colorado Springs and Jim.
Jim, just tell me, what did you think?
Because I know you've got a problem here with the definition of victory.
What did you think of the way Tony Snow defined it?
Well, I think it's cohesive.
Well, that's not exactly the right word.
I think it follows a pattern.
A person, the victory means that an Iraqi can get a job, pursue a life, have freedom.
A government is functioning.
And that seems to be the goal.
Having been an advisor in Vietnam, and I'm in no way trying to make any parallels, a lot of the songs that are being sung today I've heard before.
And the problem is, and I'll make a quick deal.
You remember the film Lawrence of Arabia?
Yeah, but I saw it a long time ago, and I just remembered the sand.
When Lawrence was being taken out to the chieftain, he was sent out of fools errands anyway by the British, but who created Iraq, by the way, out of three parts.
But Lawrence was being escorted out by an individual to the chieftain that he was warlord that he was going to coordinate with.
And they stopped at a water hole, and they drank a little water, and then out over the horizon comes Omar Sharif and his black horse and a black turban and the whole bit.
And he takes a gun and shoots the escort to Lawrence.
You haven't got time.
No, I just want you to focus.
I want you to focus.
You have a problem with...
Do you think we can win?
Is that where you're headed?
You don't think we can win there?
I think that the problem...
I'll tell you, some of the crap that's coming out of Congress right now, I can't believe the word.
But the thing is, the people, the individual American people, if...
they if they had a an answer that they could give how are we going to win?
We're not a we're not fighting a set piece war over there.
And a lot of people are are have a misconception.
Uh let's let's try this uh and I am I am noted as the most polite host in America.
I know you give me too much time all right.
Well because uh you know you you were an advisor of who did you advise in Vietnam what just a name a name like did you advise Lyndon Johnson?
No I was a military advisor in Vietnam to the Vietnamese right they were advising you guys on how to run the war back in Vietnam all right do you think we can win yes or no yes or no do we can we win?
Yes or no?
We have to turn it into an advisory effort, because General Petraeus, and any active duty, unless General Petraeus, which I have no doubt that he's going to do an excellent job with his report, no active duty general is going to tell the president anything other than what he wants to hear.
Jim, you are making me feel married all over again.
Hey, don't you and my wife.
She listens to you more than I do, but I I uh the the thing is we've got to we've got to get it's not getting the hell out of there.
Do you want to win?
Do you want to win?
I want to win.
All right.
We that if you want to win, and you're a you're a retired Marine, that means we will.
Because people like you are in charge of this over there.
I appreciate the call.
Thank you very much.
Where are we going next?
Cheyenne, Wyoming.
This is Julie.
Julie, welcome to the EIB network.
Hi.
So we've uh haven't talked to you for about 15 years.
Uh that's when we first heard you.
We lived out in California at the time, and we want to change the subject a little bit because we want to be have you become the first recycler of some of your great stuff.
And that is gorbasms.
Instead of doing for you know, Gorbachev, we want you to turn it into a gore sphasm.
Since of this, you know, all this earth first stuff and the global warming staff, we want you to start using it again.
The theme?
Yeah, the theme.
Um that now I understand that's a that's a tempting idea.
Start making fun of gore by recycling update themes and putting them to different subjects and so forth.
But I don't know.
The gorbasm theme just it it's just so perfect for Gorbachev and the old Soviet Union and so forth, but I like the idea.
I think it's a uh it's a clever idea, recycle update theme.
I'll think about that.
I really Julie, thanks much.
I appreciate it.
Speaking of gore basms and so forth, you've seen this scientists on the U.S. Pacific coast are increasingly observing emaciated gray whales in what they fear is a sign that global warming is wreaking havoc in the whales Bering Sea summer feeding grounds.
The scientists fear that the same phenomenon is cutting back reproduction in the Pacific whale population to the point that the whale population could be facing a new crisis after recovering in the mid-90s and graduating from the endangered species list.
The gray whales are migrating later.
They're not going as far north, they are producing fewer calves.
How do these people know this?
How do we do we have sensitive instruments?
Do we have submarines?
Somebody tell me.
Are we down there counting the number of these things?
Are we watching every birth?
Do we know where every gray whale on the face of the well, do we know where every gray whale under the face of the earth is?
Do we know how many they are?
They're losing weight.
The headline, warming causing gray whales to lose weight.
That's frankly, folks, that's insane.
Warming causing whales to lose weight.
This is actually good news.
We all want to lose weight.
If it's causing the whales to lose weight, maybe you and I will lose weight because of warming.
But do we know?
You know, I got a I got a note from Roy Spencer today, the climate specialist, University of Alabama at uh Huntsville.
And he says, you know, the one thing that they can't model, and he's in his expertise is in precipitation and the effect that it has on uh on warming, and it's not in the models either, because we don't have accurate measures of daily rainfall in all the world.
We cannot tell ourselves, we cannot learn, we do not know how much it rains where.
Everywhere on this planet.
We do not know.
And if you don't know that, and if precipitation is a factor in global warming, then the models that are showing us all this stuff is worthless.
Another thing is clouds.
If you want to send a meteorologist into a tizzy, ask them about clouds.
Ask them what the cloud cover tomorrow is going to be anywhere, and they can't tell you.
Do you know how little is known about clouds?
Now, Roy's note to me said that if there were a just one percent change in cloud cover in a consistent basis, the impact on temperature on the surface would be affected pretty profoundly.
But since we can't measure cloud cover either, I mean we can look at it on the satellites and so forth, but we can't predict it.
We don't know what c you know, we know what causes clouds, but but it the there's we we can't make one when we want to, and we can't we can't move them around when we want to, and we can't get rid of them when we want to.
Uh it's a giant mystery.
So, yeah, do we know do we know how many gray whales are out there?
Do we know how many calves are being born?
Who are these?
I want to I want to see the proof of this.
How could it be that just ten years ago in the mid-90s they graduated from the endangered species list and now all of a sudden they're threatened again?
What the hell happened here?
Global warming wasn't happening ten years ago.
Had to be happening.
They've been warning about it since 1979 when they threw aside the global cooling crisis.
Now this is this is the kind of stuff that shows up in the news.
Oh mommy, mommy, mommy, mommy, we also do the babies.
We can't do it's our fault.
People run around saying these kids are gonna worry about gray whale cartoons now.
And I uh if some if there's a scientist out there that can tell me that there are cold hard factual numbers on the numbers of gray whales and where they are and when they're having babies and how many they're having, and which babies are making it and which babies are not.
Are they having any abortions?
Does every gray whale mom want to give birth?
How do we know any of this?
For sure.
Maybe we do, but this story does not tell us.
They just have the scientists asserting this.
They're getting smaller, they're not traveling as far north, and they're not having as many calves.
Must be true.
It's in the drive-by media.
Hi, we are back, Rush Limbaugh with half my uh brain tied behind my back just to make it fair to Orlando.
This is Adam.
Adam, I'm glad you uh called, sir.
What are you doing?
Uh I just wanted to make uh two real quick points.
I know your time is valuable.
Uh I'm a second lieutenant in uh the Florida Army National Guard, and uh just about the war.
Couple of things.
First thing is uh when you make a decision to go to war, you go to war and you win it.
There's no questions about that.
You gotta give the military the tools that they need to do it, and but out to those politicians.
Politicians make the decision to go to war, generals fight wars.
Second point.
The least that you can do once the decision has been made is to support us when we're there.
It is incredibly demoralizing when you hear politicians come out and just you know uh one thing when Harry Reid came out and and started saying the war is lost, the war is lost, and this whole thing started happening.
I I I mean I can't tell you it has an effect.
Once the decision's been made, and as far as as I know, a lot of almost everyone who's running for president right now signed off on that decision.
The least you can do in exchange for the sacrifice that everyone else is giving to go over there and do it is to at least support us while we're there.
That's all I wanted to say.
A men, a men and a boy I and and a lot of Americans do.
The thing about Harry Reid, this is the as I was listening to you, the thing about Harry Reed that is curious to me.
I mean, he can say what he says, and he did say it.
Uh I don't know how widely reported in the drive-by media it was, meaning was it all over cable news at night?
Did it make the three network newscasts at night?
Um but it's troubling, ladies and gentlemen, that there was so little outrage among the American people over that.
I mean, here is the United States Senator, the majority leader proclaiming defeat, waving the white flag of surrender.
We can't win, he said.
We have lost.
Um this should have elicited in a sane political environment.
This should he should have been greeted with condemnation three to four times that that all those people got during the illegal immigration debate.
Tom in Richmond, Virginia, thank you for waiting.
Your next uh the EIB network.
Good afternoon, Rush.
Thank you, sir.
Many, many dittoes.
Appreciate that.
I'm a Korea of war veteran, and I think it's just timely to remind young listeners that a political decision to settle the Korean War with a truce rather than victory has left us with f nearly fifty-seven years of presence in South Korea and the same communist regime in North Korea as it was in nineteen fifty.
We lost fifty-four thousand Americans in two and a half years there, not three thousand.
Fifty-four thousand, and we're still there with armed forces, and the communists are still there.
And so your point is this is the result when you do not secure.
When you don't get a victory, yes.
Yeah, that was a politically engineered truce.
No one complained about fifty-four thousand deaths because the UN uh authorized our effort there.
Uh somehow that settled the the the liberals.
But today they criticize it.
Well, it had to get it had to get royaled at some point, otherwise we wouldn't have had the truce.
I mean, there are you talked about the parallels.
There had to be some uh uh uh uh unrest among the American people over the lack of progress for all the years that we were there, and hence we got this truce claiming, you know, victory.
Wow, I forget how it was uh his term, but we are there, still there in the DMZ.
Uh yes.
So the true truce didn't settle anything.
We're still dealing with the North Com North Korean communists.
And the nuclear threat that they have.
Uh yeah, that's a good point.
I'm glad you called, Tom.
I I uh I appreciate that.
There are consequences to losing.
And this is uh for some reason, and I don't know how widespread this is, but for some reason there are a number of people, I know a lot of Democrats over there uh in the uh in the Congress.
You know, actually they don't believe this.
I I they they they have to know.
It's just that they don't care.
They have to know that pulling out of there would be disastrous.
They have to know it, and I think the only reason they would love for it to happen is so they could tag Bush with that defeat.
But I don't know uh that they have they have been on the march proclaiming defeat, owning defeat.
They've been they've been wanting us to lose.
It's it's it's it's not it's not just that they have been proclaiming it, they've been desirous of it.
They've been excited and eager about the concept of losing.
And some people, because of their irresponsible behavior, some of the people listen to them actually believe that if we were just tomorrow, would then start the next three months and bring back everybody, that somehow why it would be Garden of Eden time, and it would be fun and roses, and then there would be no problems.
We can go back, and it wouldn't be any angst, there wouldn't be any threats, there wouldn't be any danger, wouldn't be any risk.
Uh meanwhile, that part of the world has the uh you know proven reserves of oil, which I don't care what anybody thinks about it, the world's not going to be doing without it any time soon.
Uh to just abandon and walk out of there and and turn that that hell hole into a five to ten times worse than it is now.
I just it it it's something that that uh boggles the mind, and you compare this with what went on in uh in North Korea and so forth, we are still there after all of these years with a truce, uh didn't secure victory.
Uh and yet, since there are no hostilities that have been declared and there's no combat taking place, the anti-war crowd's not saying, get out of Korea, get out of Korea.
But uh largely this is political anyway, this bring the troops home.
The Democrat kooks are who they are, but the Democrats, like I told Tony Snow.
If they do happen to win the White House, I will guarantee you they are not going to bring the troops home.
They are not going to secure defeat while they are in charge of it.
They'll not do it, and they won't do it also because they know the disaster that it would be.
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What do they accomplish?
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Why haven't more U.S. construction jobs vanished in the wake of the housing market meltdown?
Much of the attention is focused on complex forecasting models and polls that the government uses to track employment, but some economists, some economists say that undocumented workers, illegal aliens are quietly bearing the brunt of the layoffs in the building sector.
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