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June 22, 2007 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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June 22, 2007, Friday, Hour #2
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Welcome to the program, the Rush Limbaugh program, and uh sitting in for rush today.
I'm here.
He'll be here Monday, so back from a week of well-deserved rest.
Looking uh forward to, I'm sure again, uh conversationalists across the fruit of the plains visiting with him on Monday.
We he'll he'll give you the update on where he was, what he did.
In the meantime, we have a lot to talk about today regarding um oh, I've got a story.
I've got a story about our lack of loyalty in this country to people who have uh who have laid down uh just incredible uh background of helping the United States and we turn our back on him.
It's it's an amazing story about a guy from Laos who uh has been thrown in jail here.
We'll get into that in a little bit.
We've got uh Congress doing uh a variety of things.
One of the things that is um that is very troubling, and this folks, this ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, is why the 08 election is going to not only the usual this is going to be important sort of conversation about Supreme Court justices and so forth,
but this is going to be important uh from the standpoint of this uh if you don't have a check and balance system, if you don't have a Republican in the White House and the Democrats, I don't hear anybody talking about them losing the House or the Senate So if they keep control you gotta get somebody in there that can control them.
This is what's um what's going on the late I mean there's this story's all over the place.
It started with a actually a a company in my backyard, Blue Diamond Almonds, when I was first alerted to this.
And they have Yeah, they make those almonds, you know, the you know, they come in the cans, and they uh they had a the union come around and try to unionize the people that work there.
I don't know if they already have a union, if they are not union, I don't know.
I I I just don't know.
But what happened was there was a union that came around, I presumed a non-union.
They come around apparently on a regular basis and talk to the people and say, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, don't you want to belong to this union?
And they go, uh no.
And so they apparently have had votes in the past, and what happened was, and what caught my attention was that the union was was was uh having a cow about the fact that the company said, All right, you want to have a union vote, go ahead, have a union vote.
We'll do our part as the employer, you as the union organizers, you do your part, and we'll follow the labor law, and we'll see how the chips fall, and however it falls is however it falls.
Seems fair.
And I said, Yeah, I so what's the problem?
You said that the union's uh doing something that that's causing all kinds of problems over there.
What's the problem?
Well, they don't want to have a secret ballot.
Well, what do they want?
Well, they want something called card check neutrality, which is another one of these things that the name means uh something totally different.
It's no more neutral than the man of the moon.
This is a uh car check reality uh neutrality is where you uh have to basically show your hand on how you're voting.
Now place yourself in the in the shoes of somebody that's working at a company in which there is some activities, some people want to be represented by union, others do not want to be represented by a union, and and those kinds of discussions can create some very awkward, if not problematic problems, working problems, working conditions for you.
So what do you do?
You you have the secret ballot.
That way nobody knows how you voted about whether or not you were for or against a union.
That way you can still work with your co-workers.
You can still go to work without having any problems, and uh you can just refuse to answer if anybody says, hey, how'd you vote?
Well, that's secret.
I like I like that my have my secret ballot.
Can you imagine going to the to the polls at the next presidential election and having people from the from the Republican and Democratic parties standing next to you as you vote and saying uh how you voting here?
What's your vote?
Hand me your vote and I'll take a look at it.
That's what card check neutrality is.
Is that you you the intimidation is obvious?
It can be obviously a very intimidating situation from the from the union organizers or from the company.
The company can come along and say, you're voting for the union?
Why, uh, what are you doing that for?
So and your your co-workers, union organizers, the company, everybody's looking over your shoulder.
What is wrong with we have in this country a wonderful system called the secret ballot when you and I go and vote for members of our local and national governments.
So why is it that why is it that anybody would ever be against that?
Now here is the name of the act.
It's called the Employee Free Choice Act.
It's no, I mean, again, how do they how do they think up these names?
Because it is no more a free choice act for employees.
This is where it will allow unions, townhall.com has a piece on it yesterday, that will allow unions to organize places of employment through a public petition like process called card check.
The um Amanda Carpenter at Town Hall says uh currently in order to organize, the majority of workers must cast votes of support to unionize the workplace in a secret ballot process.
Opponents of CardCheck believe eliminating secret ballots would encourage union bosses to intimidate workers into supporting big labor.
But see, I look at it both ways.
I think it would intimidate the boss might come along and say, how are you voting?
Everybody gets to see how you vote.
So they had this big confab back in uh Washington, the Take Back America conference.
They brought two thousand people in on sixty-two buses.
You know there's a problem when you have to bust in people.
But in any case, they brought in two thousand people on buses.
I always wonder about that.
It's it's odd.
So Hillary gets up and she she gives a speech uh at the conference.
Is this the one where they booed her as well about the Iraq War?
I think it was.
The Take Back America, yeah.
But uh she was uh she was telling the uh the people we politicians work better when you labor work for us.
That's right.
And so the whole process is what they want to do is they want to do away with the secret ballot.
Now they've already done this in the assembly.
And the Senate was supposed to vote on this yesterday, but we looked and we haven't seen the results.
So I went back to the uh assembly vote, the roll call, and it shows where there were uh two hundred and twenty-eight Democrats that said yes, we want to do away with the secret ballot.
And and and disheartingly, there were thirteen Republicans that said yes, we want to do away with the secret ballot.
On the nose, Democrats, only two opposed doing away with the secret ballot, 183 Republicans.
Of course it's down party lines.
Who does the union support?
The union supports the Democrats.
That's where they're going to go.
And yet, can you imagine again in this country anybody saying I am opposed to the secret ballot?
I've got the list here.
On the Republicans that said yes, I want to do away with the secret ballot, is uh Congressman King, New York.
Uh Ferguson, Fosella, Tim Murphy, McCotter, McHugh, Leo Lobiondo, uh La Tourette, uh Walshot of New York and Young out of Alaska.
Those are the those are the Republicans that said, yeah, I want to do a way with the secret ballot.
I understand the Democrats doing it.
Maybe these particular members, these Republicans are in big, big, big uh blue collar union areas, and they uh they get their support from the union too.
I don't know.
But I I do not understand.
I mean, I've been I've been talking last hour about how Congress is uh working on a lot of silly business, but this isn't solely business.
This will change dramatically the way that unions are able to operate in this country.
It takes and puts all the benefits in the hands of one side of the equation.
It's just not fair.
I mean, they're always talking about fair and balanced, and uh, they want fair and balance, they want fair, fair, fair.
This isn't fair, it's not even close to being fair.
In addition to that, when we come back, I'll take a break here, and when we come back, they're also working, and this you gotta stick with me on this one for a minute.
They're also working on uh taxing hedge funds, and also they try to stop a private equity firm from going public today, so they could change the tax laws on them.
They see somebody who's making some money and they say, Ah, we've got to change it.
Now, these are hedge funds and private equity groups, and you think, oh, Tom, it's just a bunch of fat cat rich Republicans.
No, not really.
It's about to companies that you can invest in in mutual funds and struct what we call structured closed end funds.
Individuals invest in these things.
Maybe your retirement plan is invested in these things.
And Congress says, Well, we gotta, we gotta, we gotta, we gotta get some more money because if we see a big pile of money, I think it's all about them getting the private equity and hedge funds to start giving them campaign donations because they haven't been very active in that arena.
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Uh the name of this uh is called the Employee Free Choice Act, and I I know the president, I I I don't know, I hope, I presume the president will veto this if it gets to him, but this is where the unions are getting payback.
They have spent a billion dollars supporting Democrats over the last ten years, and they want a return on their investment.
Now they had this uh take back America uh rally, and uh a guy from uh uh uh nonprofit group called Freedom Works, they oppose this uh this card check business as opposed to the secret ballot.
They want the secret ballot.
So they went to this Take Back America rally, they had signs.
They had protested.
Protest with signs.
Guy uh Brendan Steinhauser, who's the manager of Freedom Works, says he was physically confronted by union workers, said he was pushed and that one of his uh female interns had her hair pulled.
He said, Isn't it kind of ironic that the unions claim they were rallying against worker intimidation when they intimidated us by trashing our signs, pushing us, threatening us with physical violence.
They were not interested in any democratic debate.
Well, that's yeah, see, it goes further than just just this.
And when it comes to unions, some of you are some of you good union folks out there going, who is this guy?
What's his deal?
Ah, what do you anti-union?
I'm not anti-union.
I think big big labor is like big business.
There are good businesses and there are bad businesses.
There are good unions and there are bad unions.
The people at the top make a whole bunch of money and have a lot of perks and live a pretty good life.
Good for them.
I understand the purpose of the union today is not what it was back in the 30s when they were formed.
The purpose today is to grow the membership of paying dues.
That's what they want.
That's their income.
That allows them to go out and gather the money and then send it on.
Now, the other thing about labor, a big setback for them, the Supreme Court right now is, you know, June is always where they start dishing out decisions uh two or three a day.
Uh, I hope you saw or heard the decision the other day, which came out, which said uh it was a Washington State case involving the Washington State Teachers Association, in which they the Supreme Court said no.
If somebody is forced to to work in a in one of these closed shops where you don't want to be a member, but you gotta pay some dues because it's a closed shop, and the union gets some of your dues, they cannot use your uh the money that you pay them for their political activities unless they get your permission first.
Now this is this is uh this was similar to uh something called the Beck decision, which has said unions couldn't do this.
Nobody enforces it.
Nobody does anything about it.
Tim in uh weed, California.
Hello, Tim, you're on the Rush Limbaugh program with Tom Sullivan.
Hey, Tom, how's it going?
It's going great, sir.
Hey, I gotta take a little bit of a uh cause with you there.
I think that card check program is a pretty good program.
Uh what you're talking about with the petitions, I mean, the the union members have to sign those anyway, those are common knowledge, and then once they're signed, you're you're waiting five to six weeks for an election, and in that amount of time, the amount of intimidation that comes through the employer with the uh captive audience meetings and the threats and is just amazing.
It's an unlevel playing field the way it is now.
Well, it it varies from place to place.
Some places, like I said, I know the blue diamond company was uh was fine.
You want to have an election, have an election.
But the but it works both ways.
It works both ways, Tim.
Because anybody, and I agree with you, you've got to get a group, first of all, to say yes.
Uh we want to we want to have a vote, and then there's a waiting period before the vote.
But when the vote comes down, wouldn't you like to have your vote secret so that the boss, your co-workers, the union, nobody knows how you voted.
It's your vote.
Well, yeah, but Tom, you see, I go around and I I organize, I'm with the union, and I organize and I'll tell you.
Yeah, I couldn't have guessed that.
Yeah, I'll bet you couldn't.
We go around and we get signatures on a petition.
Anybody who's gonna sign that petition is more than likely gonna vote yes anyway.
And that's knowledge.
Yeah, so I know, but what about the rest of them?
What about the rest?
What's wrong with the secret ballot?
We do it when you vote for the governor, for the for the mayor, for the president, for everybody.
We have a secret ballot.
What's wrong with that?
You know, if I had a petition with the National Labor Relations Board and that secret ballot took place within a couple days, I would say there's nothing wrong with it.
But I've been on way too many organizing drives where we have lost in the last week or two because of the intimidation and the captive audience meeting.
It works both ways.
You guys do this you guys do the same thing.
We do not have the ability to have a captive audience meeting.
We do not have the ability to shut the mill down and say, now listen to us for two hours.
this is the way it's going to be.
The company does, and the company has an advantage there.
And there's a lot of intimidation that goes on.
I've seen a lot of these unions that were 80% going in, and man, we lost them by five or six votes because of the intimidation that went on in five or six weeks.
Well, you know, I I look at it as the bottom line is it comes down to just your message, Tim, and and your message is one that these people are going to listen to and they're gonna weigh their decision, but their decision should be private.
I don't know.
The only reason why you want to have it open is so that you can see who it was who voted against you.
Oh, that's not true, Tom.
The only reason I want it is because it's a level playing field, and uh I'm sorry you can't understand that, but that's the one.
I don't, I mean, so let's open up let's let's change the uh presidential election so that it's not a secret ballot then.
Well, that's not the same thing.
What's different about it?
What's different about it is there ain't people going around intimidating people for who's of course there are.
There are all kinds of I mean I don't know about your mailbox and about your phone, but it people are calling and shoving messages down your throat at election time.
Yeah, but those are captive audience.
I mean, the y a captive audience meeting where you have the right to lock someone in a room for two hours and spew forth anti-union could.
Well, the last time I was involved with a company where I had a union card was they had union meetings as well, and they had all the the various ways to try to uh intimidate me to try and threaten me and to make sure that I knew that if I voted against them there were I was there was hell to pay on my part.
So I I think it works both ways, Tim.
I know that you see it only one way because you're a union guy.
The frustrating part for you in the that in the union world is that we're now down to 13% of people that work in this country, employees, not not self-employed or anybody else, but but employees.
We're down to 13% that are represented by union.
If you take out all the government employees that work for various city-state uh governments, you'll wind up with just seven percent of the private sector is now union.
That's why you're frustrated, and that's why you're trying to change the so-called level playing field.
We'll be back.
Yes, I'm here.
Uh welcome back to the program.
Rush is back on Monday from a week of uh well-deserved rest.
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So uh I know I tried, I did, I tried, and somebody sent me a whole uh the first season of the Sopranos and all that, but I find I I'm one of these guys that shows up at championship sporting events, you know.
I watched the final episode of Sopranos, and it was great.
Now I now I want more.
Now now I now that hooked me.
I want more.
So little did I realize that maybe my wish would be coming true because what was it a week after, and all of a sudden here's Bill and Hillary, and they're over at the uh diner.
And which, by the way, excuse me for being so left coast, but it seems like a diner in Mount Kisko, Westchester County, New York, is not the same as a diner in Jersey.
It just they have one.
It just they do not have one.
Was that really in in Westchester?
In any case.
Mount Kisko Diner.
One of them.
All right, okay.
So one of you, but it looked, it looked too nice.
It looked too, it wasn't, it wasn't um grimy enough.
So anyway, but they but you know, if you haven't seen it, you can go to YouTube and you can easily see it, is the spoof video in which Hillary rides in on the Sopranos coattails.
Now, the thing about it is at this point, at this point, Mr. Snerdley thinks this is this is where he's he's he's the guy who's gotten me convinced this is where this should go.
This should be the rest of the campaign for Hillary.
Not just one.
I'm wondering if they're gonna do more because they shot this thing on a on a Sunday morning, a week ago, Sunday, and the guy who uh who was the actor in that thing was uh Vince uh Curatola.
Uh he said that uh yeah, he got a call and and uh and he got paid nothing for it, but he just went in to to do it.
He thought it would be fun to do.
But where uh where Mr. Snurley wants to go with this, and I agree with you, Mr. Snerdley.
I think the the next episode could bring in the question about what happened to Vince Foster.
Did what's the real story behind Ron Brown?
I mean, we could have it the episodes on this would go on forever.
And who would be who would play the part of Tony?
Would it be Hillary or Bill?
I mean, this has potential.
It's um I wish I knew the characters better.
Was it was it Eddie Falco was the was the guy that was the the Edie, Edie Falco uh was uh Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That that that's that that was the wife, wasn't it?
That was uh Carmine.
I I wish I knew the the care Carmela.
I'm sorry.
I don't know the characters.
I didn't watch you know I like I said I showed up on the last day.
I I go to the championship games and that's all.
I don't know the names of the players.
But it's they could do that, they could have every week a new episode, and everybody would be tuning in for the Hillary Sopranos episode.
I I mean I don't mean to tell her how to run her campaign, but I think it's a great idea.
And somehow we got to get big big big labor in there.
I'm telling you, I that this is what is the difference between a big union and a big company.
What is the difference?
You tell me.
Some are better than others.
Some are really bad, some are really good.
Mark in uh Beacon, New York.
Hi, Mark, you're on the Rush Limbaugh program with Tom Sullivan.
Listen, um, I just you know, I think you should realize one of the things that's destroying the Republican Party and driving people like me, who I consider a Reagan Democrat away from the Republicans.
Of course, I'm not going to the Democrats because I can't stand them even worse, but is your anti-labor attitude, okay?
You're um I was uh give me an example.
What's so I didn't job I've been in jobs both union and non-union, okay?
There's no question the union job is much better, okay?
Um not that's not my experience.
But that's well, that might not be yours, but it's mine.
Okay.
Now I'll tell you the example here.
In uh IBM up here in the Fishgill area, okay.
For years they were telling our employees, don't bother with the union, we'll take good care of you.
And they did for a while.
Then things started getting a little raunchy, and next thing you know, they started outsourcing, laying people off like crazy.
And this is also a problem with the illegal alien problem.
Big business watches.
Let me tell you something.
I believe that Carl Rowe and the functional idiot that he's pulling the strings for, they want to send American labor back to pre-FDR times.
And people aren't going to take that in this country.
You you guys don't understand this.
We need unions.
They may be necessary evil, but they're necessary.
How is Carl Rove and the functional illiterate going to uh decide who uh IBM hires?
Well, no, I'm saying what the the policies, look at what they're doing.
They're trying to bring illegal aliens to take American jobs and lower American wages.
They're outsourcing our best manufacturing jobs, not taxing.
How is Carl Rove and the functional illiterate outsourcing jobs?
One trade agreement after another.
With one with one third world party.
Wait a minute.
Who signed NAFTA?
What?
Who signed NAFTA?
I said I don't like the Democrats either.
I know Slick Willie did that.
I know Mrs. I know I know he's fla signed Gat too, okay?
But this clown has been honoring those agreements.
He signed more agreements, he signed CAFTA, he now signed some kind of an agreement with the Vietnamese uh with the with the communist Vietnamese, okay?
I know.
What you what you bring up though, what you bring up on this uh is is Mark is a very interesting point because we have if you go back in history and you and you look at our nation, we have gone through periods of where we have said we want to be isolationist, and we've gone through periods where we've said let's do business with the world.
And we've gone back and forth between the two.
In fact, who opened the doors with China?
It was a Republican, Richard Nixon.
I mean, so you go back and you go, Well, which one is the better one of the two?
Well we gotta look out for this country first.
Yeah, but I don't have I gotta tell you something.
But but here's the problem.
When you say I have an anti-union attitude, it's not anti-union, it's anti take away the the the secret ballot.
I think the secret ballot is sacred.
Are you talking about for for politics to so they could vote for people?
There I tend to agree.
But I believe there should not be right to work laws.
You should be uh jobs should be unionized.
It's the only way labor gets uh can it can uh make a living.
Other than that, we're you know, the the boss is gonna grind you with the worker in the dirt.
And that's the same thing these greedy people want to do.
Well, you know where I come from that is is that I look at it and I go, You sound like a bright guy.
You sound like you could go do whatever you want to do.
So why do you need somebody?
Why do you need somebody to to hold your hand?
Actually, I was a cop, just like you were, okay?
Yeah.
And and that's a job, okay.
That's that's again a unionized, and that's why they make two to three times the amount of a security guard, even though really basically there's not much of a difference between a job.
Okay?
I know a cop will say, Oh, no, no, it's very much like that.
Yeah, yeah, I know.
I uh had a problem with that too.
The security guard is a much more dangerous job, and yet they make a third to half the salary of a cop.
There's an example.
Why?
Because you're not unionized.
Okay.
No, the jobs are different, but that's my different to a degree, but they're not that much different, okay?
Where let me ask you something.
Why is it that you uh that you feel that the union's so important to you?
Is there something was your father a union executive, or was there something in your life where somebody burned you?
No, because I just told you.
I see I see the working man in this country ground down further and further.
I see that the functionality in the White House and the man who pulls the strings, they're they're trying to make they're trying to bring more illegal aliens in to lower the American standard of uh the the American workers' wages, and okay, and I used to be a Republican before and I was a Democrat, I'm neither now, but I'm a very good thing.
You're like Mike Bloomberg.
You're like Mike Bloomberg.
a little bit of influence.
Mike Bloomberg is a moron.
I'd help this country if we ever get that clown in there.
We need a man.
I'll tell you who we need, Tom Tancredo or uh Duncan Hunter.
Those two are great.
I wish they'd run in third parties because they get the money they need from the Republic from the they're not gonna get around.
It just it fascinates me because you're you're a smart guy, you're a bright guy, and I and I don't know why you don't just uh tell everybody to take a flying leap and go do what you want to do.
That's not the point.
Right now I'm in my own little business, okay?
That's not the point.
I don't employ any.
I'm I do my own little thing right now, okay?
But the fact of the matter is, I'm just telling you there is a this country wants to br I mean not this country, but there's certain people in this country, and right now I believe it's Carl Rowe, because the the guy the the public is polling stream, they want to bring the worker down.
They want to bring us down to pre FDR times.
And whatever else you say, he may have been a liberal, he's not a liberal like he uh a liberal is today.
FDR was a great man who probably averted a revolution when he brought the reforms in that he did.
Well, I um I obviously you're you've you've drinking the you you have drank the you are drinking the Kool-Aid, let me put it in the current term.
If you're drinking the Kool-Aid, I don't see it the way you do.
I'm not.
I belong to a corrupt union before, okay?
The PBA is one of the most corrupt unions probably in the country.
But the fact of the matter is they get their people some kind of benefits and salaries.
I think it limits you.
I think they limit you.
I think they limit the this the people who have something on the ball.
They put you in with the pool and you get the average of the pool.
I personally would rather go out and compete on my own.
You sound like the kind of guy that would too.
Not everybody's an entrepreneur, okay?
You need workers as well as into entrepreneurs.
Yes, yes, beehive.
You need worker bees as well as the queen.
Not everybody's problem is is that the the Well, I I gotta cut for time, Mark, but uh thanks for your points.
But here's here's the the bottom line.
Americans going back to FDR days or going back to the fifties or even the sixties or the seventies.
We have continually improved our cost uh the the way of life, the the level of the standard of living has gone up decade after decade after decade.
The poorest American today is a lot better off than the average American was fifty years ago.
There are you talk about the uh everybody's trying to shut the little guy down.
If you look at the way that the m that the strata of various incomes are laid out in this country, it hasn't really changed.
If you break it down into the bottom twenty, the top twenty, and the three tiers of twenty in the middle, the bottom twenty has fallen, but slightly compared to everybody else.
The middle class group and the upper income groups have all gained proportionately to each other, and that's been going on for decades as well.
We'll take a break and come back.
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I'm Tom Sullivan.
This is the Rush Limbaugh program.
You know, it's uh talk radio.
We talk about a variety of subjects and we disagree with each other about things and we discuss uh where we agree, disagree.
My bottle I I go for for the bottom line.
Give me the results of something.
That's what I want to know is give me the results.
And the results are 93% of the people that are employed in the private sector have said no.
I don't want or need a union to represent me.
Seven percent have said yes.
I understand they must need they must need it.
And just like Mark, from Beacon, New York, he's he's he's he's gosh, he's sold on it.
Good for him.
He's one of the seven percent.
They may need it in certain occupations, and I know in certain places and certain companies and certain places certain things you do need somebody to come in and collectively bargain because of the situation.
But when you have ninety-three percent of Americans agreeing on the on saying no, maybe they've intent maybe the big boss is intimidated one percent, two percent, let's say ten percent.
That still leaves eighty three percent of us that say we don't want it, we don't need it.
Thank you very much.
I'm sure you were a good idea once upon a time.
I'm sure you're good in some places.
Russ in uh LA.
Russ, hello, you're on the Rush Limbaugh program with Tom Sullivan.
Hey, Tom, how are you doing today?
Doing great, sir.
Uh well, my comment for you, Tom was based on earlier um, you know, how you said that there's no political press or you said there's political pressure.
Um, you know, I I work for IBEW, and um I I just I would never walk onto a job site and tell them that I'm a Republican because I would be gone in a heartbeat.
I bet.
I'll bet you are the uh you're the arch enemy.
You know what's interesting though, Russ, is that I get calls all the time on my local show from people that say I have to belong to this union or I'm in this particular union, but I don't believe and I don't vote the way that the union says we're supposed to vote.
So absolutely.
You got the you got the union leaders, which are the big bosses, and they're living life grand.
They're living life large.
And and they tell you what to do, but they're but they the write the checkbooks to the to the candidates.
But I have seen a lot I think there's a lot of brotherhood there for you if you were to have had some sort of code that you could say I'm a Republican.
I think you'd find a bunch of others that are as well.
Oh, no doubt, no doubt.
I mean, there's there's a few out there, but nobody likes to admit it because they they just would receive uh a blowtorch from above.
Would would you like to keep the secret ballot?
Do you have a secret ballot now, I presume?
Um yeah, we do.
And so absolutely it just seems fair.
Yeah, absolutely.
Your vote is secret.
How you feel is secret.
That's what you're saying is you want to keep a secret uh because you don't think you think you think you would have problems at work if you did not if people knew uh about your political alignment.
No, I I agree wholeheartedly with you there.
Well you made you've made my case.
I mean I'm looking at this and going, that's the fundamental fundamentally in this country we have secret ballots on the important issues.
So why do you belong to the union?
Because you have to?
Uh no, actually, my uh my dad works for uh DWP out here, and I I got a job with uh another faction of IDEW, which is the uh the construction industry.
And um just a lot better pay, and they they actually they take really good care of us as far as the benefits go.
Good.
You ever thought of uh doing something different?
Um yeah, I'm I'm keeping my options open all the time.
You know, I I just got out of the military and this is a good transition for me.
Perfect.
Perfect.
Well, enjoy it, use it, benefit from it, and uh do what you need to do in order to benefit yourself.
So Russ, thanks.
Thanks for your service to the country.
We'll take a short break, come right back.
Tom Sullivan's sitting in for Rush on the EIB Radio Network.
It's a um it's troubling the secret ballot is something that I think is very sacred.
I don't understand why they would want to do away with it.
I think it keeps the playing field very level, and that way people who want to join a union can join a union.
I don't know what what's easier than that.
Mark in Cleveland, hi Mark, you're on the Rush Limbaugh program.
I just wanted to ask some of the guys that are real pro-union, if I could just ask him why the president of the SEIU is on the front page of the Wall Street Journal in bed with the Chinese.
Yeah, um listen, I have you know, there's always another reason behind all of this stuff.
Uh and the guy who's running the SCIU, remember, broke away from the AF of L CIO.
He didn't like the way they were doing it because they weren't aggressive enough.
And so this guy, Terry, uh what's his name?
Terry Terry Terry.
Can't remember his second his last name, but he's uh he's very aggressive.
And uh what he wants to do is he's no that's why I say there's no difference between companies and unions.
They're both uh they they have different businesses, but they're if if you were running a big union and your goal was to try to get as many people as you could possibly get sitting with the uh with a with a union due bill in their pocket every month, what would you do?
You would try and get more of them.
Where do they have more people than any place else in China?
That's why companies are going to China.
That's why unions are going to want to go to China.
They're gonna try and go over there and organize and unionize and do everything they can over there.
So you made my point.
It's there is no difference between big union and big labor.
And uh I wish them luck.
Maybe over in China they will do better.
But right now I just as soon kind of make my own path in life without somebody holding my hand.
I know that makes some of you mad, but sometimes the truth hurts.
We'll be back.
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