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June 20, 2007 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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June 20, 2007, Wednesday, Hour #3
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Welcome back to the Rush Limbaugh program here on the EIB network.
Uh Jeff Sessions, uh born and bred uh Alabama person uh with his law degree from the University of Alabama and um U.S. attorney in Alabama's Southern District for a long time and then elected Alabama Attorney General in 95.
He became a United States Senator, entered the Senate in ninety-seven, re-elected in two thousand two with uh fifty-nine percent of the vote, as uh Rush puts it.
One of the good guys, uh, Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama joins us now.
Senator, welcome to the program.
Thank you, Roger.
Let me ask you a little bit about something I just asked uh Secretary Chertoff on this uh program, and and it's really uh of concern.
The the Secretary continues to describe this comprehensive bill, the necessity of having more uh ability to control the border, the uh necessity of bringing folks out of the shadows, uh uh and I talked to him about the probationary Z visa, and I know you've done a lot of research on a bill that's now been renumbered.
It was S-1348, and I guess it's now S 1639.
Uh in this renumbered bill as it's put back in, and uh I hope you have a chance to look at it.
Has there been any improvement in this idea of uh almost an instant amnesty under the probationary Z visa?
No.
Uh within twenty-four hours, everybody that applies will get the probationary visa, which makes them a legal uh resident in the country, at least if they came to our country prior to uh December 31st of last year, which Roger in effect says that if you got past the National Guard that we called out, somehow sneaked across the border last December 31st, you'll be given a permanent uh residence in the country and really uh eventually a pass to full citizenship.
That changes by three years what was in last year's bill that failed.
It was two January of two thousand four.
So that's a big change right there.
Also, the uh bill seems to em imply that uh the the government has the ability to do this.
Chertoff said that well, we we'd have to give the probationary Z visa, but if there was a problem with this person in terms of a local DU repeated DUIs or repeated uh uh sex offender or something like that that was in a local database that we don't access within twenty-four hours, we'll come back and that person will be booted out of the country.
Well, I believe last year's bill uh that this one was supposed to be better than uh gave six months for that or 90 days, I forget the number, but gave a considerable more time before you're given that legal status, which I think is important.
The fundamental problems, I believe, with the bill, uh deal with first enforcement.
Comprehensive reform certainly should improve uh uh the amo by reducing the number of ille illegal entries.
And in this legislation, according to the Congressional Budget Office, a nonpartisan group that's supposed to be able to evaluate these things, they concluded we'd only have a 13 percent reduction in illegality.
I mean, that is that is just stunning.
That indicates that we have a bill that's it's not going to work.
It's going to be like 1986.
We'll have this massive amnesty, but we'll not have law enforcement.
I mean, how much more basic can it be than that?
So that's the problem.
Uh all of us would like to improve immigration enforcement, and we can do some improvements, although current law, if actively used, could be effective much more effective than they are today.
And we'd like to do a lot of other good things with uh immigration, but if you're going to have a system that won't work, we cannot pass it.
Senator Jeff Sessions.
Now uh I I mentioned the uh Congressional Budget Office conclusion that the bill, if passed, would only reduce the illegal immigration by thirteen percent.
He said they were just budget guys who assumed the thirteen percent and then were working out the cost of that.
Uh what do you know about this report?
Did they assume the thirteen percent or do they have something behind that?
They did an analysis.
They concluded there would be a twenty-five percent reduction of illegal entries at the border, but they also concluded there would be a substantial increase in visa overstays because we c because we'd have a lot of people coming as temporary workers with legal visas, but uh they projected they would not return home as they promised to return home.
And so we're not going to have any system to go out and look these people up and find them.
So you're definitely going to see an increase in visa overstays.
I think that was a uh rational analysis, actually, in my view, of what will actually occur.
Now we've been around the Mulberry Bush once here with this uh Kennedy McCain bill, S. 1348, it was withdrawn by Senator Reed last week.
It's apparently back on the calendar this week, uh, renumbered as S six sixteen thirty-nine.
And I hear something about clay pigeon and and and s what what's going on in the Senate now with this bill.
Can you describe it for us?
Well, they made one change they claim is significant, but really is not, and that is there's a four point four billion dollar mandatory spending.
But they have promised faithfully that that money would be spent.
It's only the money that would be uh spent to in carry out this trigger, which is not nearly enough to create a legal system in the country.
They've weakened the trigger.
It's been trigger locked.
Uh it's not going to work effectively, so just promising that money is is not effective.
Now they've got a plan that's very unusual, almost unprecedented, to uh m maximize the ability of of Senator Reed to control the debate, to limit amendments.
Only amendments that they pick can be voted on, and uh to limit the amount of time for debate.
So it's a scheme by which uh one amendment would be uh accepted and broken up, I understand, into twenty-five parts, requiring twenty-five votes.
Uh those of us who had other amendments uh would have no chance, it appears, of getting those voted on.
I don't think that's uh good, frankly.
Um if we're going to have a debate.
And also the group that put the bill together are saying that even if they like one of the amendments that's offered, if it goes against the fundamentals of their compromise that they reached in secret somewhere, they are all going to vote it down.
So there seems to be very little real possibility of an amendment passing that would affect the fundamentals of the bill, uh, which I'm afraid won't work.
Senator Jeff Sessions.
Now, Senator uh in that regard, the last time Senator Reed asked for a a cloture vote, a uh vote to cut off debate and move to a floor vote uh on this bill.
He only got uh what was it, 45 votes, needed sixty.
Where do you think we are in counting votes on on this renewed bill?
It's going to be very close, Roger.
Um it's going to be very close.
A number of people voted on the Republican side not to have closure because they felt some of us, like myself, had not had a fair chance to offer amendments.
With this uh twenty-five amendments, at least twelve of them Republican apparently, uh they may well conclude that that's a sufficient number of votes for the Republicans and justify a change to vote for cloture.
I just don't know.
I I I think though that the bill is not gaining support.
I don't think Senators are more happy with it today than they were a week ago.
Um matter of fact, they may be less happy, and I think perhaps the American people's voice is are being heard.
Well, it's a good thing.
By the way, could I say one thing on that?
On the floor one night I was debating away and just extemporaneously, and I made the comment that uh what they really wanted to do, you know, to try tried to pass it the first week.
Yep.
The first week it came up.
Uh and I said what they really want is to round this through before Rush Limbaugh can tell the American people what's in it.
And uh I really feel like talk radio has done a a valuable service in pointing out a number of the weaknesses in this bill, because it's a thousand page bill if printed in bill language, and the American people don't have time to study all of that.
Well, we have time and we're devoting the time to it because the American people deserve to know what is going to go on here on the border.
It's a huge issue in every community in this country, and I know in your state and throughout, of course, ours, it's uh it's been a huge issue for a long time.
Senator Sessions, thanks for your leadership.
Thanks for the time today.
And again, as Rush uh said about you on the air here, one of the good guys in the U.S. Senate.
Thank you for being with us.
Thank you, Roger.
Jeff Sessions from Alabama.
Now, ladies and gentlemen, you've heard all that, and uh, I'd like to get your reaction to it.
Uh Jeff Sessions has uh on his website, I have it on mine, is twenty loopholes in the bill in the uh in the amnesty bill, and that's exactly what it is, is an an amnesty.
The same government that cannot seem to get out the passports that are now you had now have to have if you want to travel to the Caribbean or to uh Mexico or Canada, or you didn't used to have to have passports, and so a number of thousands of Americans have come forward because they have vacation plans this summer to get their passports,
and now they've had to extend the time because that same government can't crank out a couple of thousand tens of thousands of passports, but they're expecting to tell me that I ought to believe them when they get twelve million probationary Z visa applications and twenty-four hours to check the backgrounds of these people.
Huh?
I mean, I'm sorry.
I w I w I wasn't born yesterday, and I don't act like it.
1-800-282-2882.
What do you think?
Darlene in Grand Junction, Colorado, you're next.
Darlene, hi, welcome to the Rush Show.
Hi.
Um I have read an article in World Magazine about the legal immigrants that are here on green cards, and they're mostly highly skilled workers.
Um they they wait years to get uh permanent residence status.
And this uh Z visa, if it's passed, could allow twelve million illegal immigrants to achieve superior status to many legal immigrants overnight.
Yes.
And uh the legal immigrants that are here on green cards, um, they wait years and then if they lose their job or if they change employers, they can have their green card put to the bottom of the stack.
That does not apply, apparently, in this bill.
Um they need employer sponsorship under uh the Z visa.
But uh they can have promotions, job changes, or a run-up business or whatever.
And uh the time limit on the legal green cards that are now in in effect is six years.
And uh the one for the illegals, the ZV supposedly renewable every four years.
Four to infinity.
Yeah.
And it just seems so unfair that the legal people have to stay with the employer whether they have a better job idea or want to get out to another area to live.
They're stuck.
Or else their green card could, you know, chuck them out of the country.
My confidence, Darlene, and you've you've uh you've you've made uh you've made my day.
Uh my confidence was this audience would know perfectly well what they're listening to.
This audience has been educated to what this bill is.
This audience knows perfectly well that this bill stacks the deck against people who are legally trying to come to this country and favors and jumps the line for those people who are illegally in this country.
Uh I think the attitude of most Americans is legal immigration is good for this country.
Legal immigration is how we all got here.
Legal immigration, God bless you, welcome to the country, make it a better place, make uh make us all better Americans.
Illegal immigration undermines everything this country is about, starts with an illegal act, and believe me, goes on to uh false uh identification papers, uh false names, false lives.
And then uh this bill seeks to jump those people to the head of the line.
Most Americans go, no.
I'm Roger Hedgecock.
Let's get your reaction to that on the Rush Limbaugh program after this.
Secretary Chertoff on the griddle today.
I've seen him in a couple of these uh news programs.
He was on uh with us uh here at the Rush Limbaugh program.
Um because of this, you know, and he keeps saying, well, you know no, we can take the twelve million uh we can take their applications, we can review it.
Twenty-four hours to do a security check, we'll protect the country.
I'm sorry, this government cannot do that.
Uh the uh State Department and the uh Department of Homeland Security were required by Congress as part of tightening up our security for Americans who return by land or sea from Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean to have a passport.
Many people who have uh used to vacationing in those places without a passport had to go and apply for a passport.
So uh now uh, you know, a couple million more people applying for passports than usual, maybe a a ten percent increase, a fifteen percent increase in the number of people applying for passports.
The entire passport review system collapsed.
It had ninety days to get these things out, and it couldn't do it.
Chertoff is saying they'll take in a twenty-four hour period, a one day period, and do a security check on twelve million people who apply, or however many apply.
One day.
They had ninety days to get a couple of million of these passports out and couldn't do it.
So now apparently you can go travel, go down to Kozumel, do some diving, but don't try to get back in the United States unless you want to pay a coyote.
Come across in Brownsville, you know, 1,500 bucks, something like that, and you'll you'll you'll be back in.
By the way, I recommend it.
Actually, you'll have more rights than citizens.
Uh your kids will get uh better treated, uh, you'll get uh housing subsidies, you'll get uh free medical care.
Stop paying your in your your medical insurance.
If you're illegal, uh we'll pay for it.
I mean, consider coming back as an illegal into the country after your vacation.
It could be a plus.
Uh check with your financial consultant.
Chertoff's on the griddle for something else.
ABC News reporting that the Homeland Security Department, keep in mind the lead U.S. agency for fighting uh cyber threats against the United States government, suffered more than 800 hacker break-ins at their computers over the last two years.
Hacker tools for stealing passwords and other files were found on two internal Homeland Security computer systems.
The um Carnegie uh Carnegie Mellon University had to come into this uh into the picture.
They had computer workstations at the Coast Guard and the Transportation Security Administration infected uh with uh viruses, laptops missing, break-ins at websites.
This is the agency that is supposed to protect us when the Chinese declare war by eliminating the Internet in the United States, which is what's going to happen.
By the way, it's not going to be any more Pearl Harbors.
That's also messy and physical.
It's just you won't be able to use your computer, and that's when you'll know the Chinese are invading.
When your computer goes down and does not come back up again.
So the State Department's scrambling now, according to the Washington Post with regard to those uh passports.
But so when you look at this bill and you see the kind of promises being made, I'm sorry, it makes no sense.
Even the bill has to admit that a program to identify frequent border crossers called U.S. visit.
It's a border check-in checkout system.
It was first required by Congress in 1996, 11 years ago.
It is still not in operation.
Hello.
It's still not in operation.
Smugglers Gulch, to go back to my personal thing here.
The only gap we have in the San Diego fence, and by the way, this fence works.
This fence that goes out into the surf line here at the Tijuana River and runs all the way uphill to the Otai Mountain, some 14, 15 miles, has one gap in it we've been trying to fill for years.
But the fence itself works.
In fact, it I'll tell you why I think it works, because the uh people smugglers had to shift dramatically to the east into the desert, where of course all those people had die out there in the desert because the coyotes just dump them off.
Um and then we get blamed for the deaths.
But even more of an indication of this fence working is the fact that we have now discovered how many is it, seven or eight tunnels underneath the fence, so that you know the drugs can get in on time.
I mean, they've got timely delivery is a real problem.
Some of these tunnels, by the way, shored up like m like mines, uh concrete floor and railway tracks.
This is not an unsophisticated situation.
In other words, the people smuggling, drug smuggling thing has merged, ladies and gentlemen.
And at least here in Tijuana, San Diego, this big metropolitan area divided by this border, and united by the busiest border crossing in the world, legal border crossing.
We also have this huge illegal demand because let me tell you a little truth about Tijuana that maybe some of you know.
Tijuana was founded after San Diego.
San Diego came first.
Tijuana was founded founded after the border to provide Americans that which they can't get in the United States.
To provide the abortions when they were illegal, the gambling when it was illegal, the drugs when, you know, they're still illegal, the drinking when you're sixteen and uh, you know, your uh your your uh ID is uh twenty dollar bill.
So you you know, Tijuana has long been for civilian and military customers, uh a place where you go to get stuff you can't get in the United States, or to get cheaper stuff that is legal in the United States, like the lineup for gas last week in Tijuana, like the lineup for pharmaceuticals, and by the way, don't buy them in Tijuana, please.
It's like buying uh Chinese toothpaste.
So this is uh, you know, this is an issue that we have here is that Tijuana exists to do what it does, to give United States customers that which they can't get here, whether they have to tunnel under that border or not.
But that border fence works.
I'm Roger Hedgecock.
In for Rush.
Back at you.
Welcome back to the EIB network.
Roger Hedgecock filling in for Rush Limbaugh today on the program, and today and tomorrow we'll get a chance to get back into some of these topics tomorrow as well.
Uh John McCain, according to the News Tribune.com out of I think Tacoma, Washington.
Uh this is uh Deroy Murdoch's column.
Uh John McCain recently said uh quote, America is still the land of opportunity, and we're not going to erect barriers and fences, unquote.
Now, ladies and gentlemen, that's closer to the truth than Secretary Chertoff's assertion that the amnesty bill, the McCain Kennedy bill, is going to protect the border.
It is not.
McCain has never favored a fence at the border, effective barriers at the border, effectively knowing who comes across that border, and he's uh not uh shy about saying so.
He has not been dishonest.
He has been forthright.
He doesn't believe in protecting the border.
And uh as a consequence, he's in a uh death spiral in his uh quest for the Republican nomination for president, getting down into uh single uh digits.
Because the real problem, the real problem is not just people coming across trying to work.
That's uh most Americans don't really get concerned about that.
We we we had a nine eleven.
And the real problem is you get FBI director Robert Mueller, March 2005, he comes in and says, Yeah, we think that these uh Al Qaeda types are coming across the uh Mexican border with uh changing their names to Hispanic sounding names and obtaining false Hispanic identities and learning to speak Spanish and pretending to uh, you know, with the flow.
Robert Mueller, FBI director.
So you look at the you look at the figures.
And uh you look at the uh State Department, they've got uh in 2005 alone, over thirty-two hundred Cubans, twenty-five Iranians, four North Koreans, four Sudanese and thirteen Syrians caught at the Mexican border.
Now, uh you know, you can shrug it off, but then you go back and look at the nine eleven commission, this is some part of that report that really didn't get a lot of play.
The re the the role that Luis Alonso Martinez Flores, a twenty-eight-year-old Salvadoran, who had been illegally in the United States since nineteen ninety-four.
Well, in two thousand one, he was approached by the uh by the uh terrorists Hani Hanjur and Khalid Almadar, who helped uh take uh American Airlines uh seventy-seven into the Pentagon,
and uh they paid him a hundred bucks to direct them to the nearest Virginia DMV, the Department of Motor Vehicles, where uh Mr. uh Martinez Flores, Mr. Martinez, uh vouched for the two terrorists that they they lived at a certain address, which had been an address that the illegal alien had formerly lived at and didn't, none of them lived at that address.
They just used it.
He vouched for them.
They got Virginia driver's licenses.
Their Virginia driver's licenses allowed them to get on the airplane.
How serious is this bill?
I think it's deadly serious.
All right, Hanya in Bellevue, Washington, you're next.
Hi, Hanya.
Roger.
It's uh great to talk to you.
Thanks for calling.
I wanted I I wanted to make a comment on something you said earlier, although with what you've been talking about, it seems insignificant in comparison now.
But um with regard to labor shortages, um I think industry, business, and capitalism are the answer to labor shortages, not a visa program that's interminably renewed in spite of market needs.
Because in the past, businesses have responded when um labor programs like Brussero have been eliminated by uh by by coming up with with mechanization that supplants um having these cheap labor.
And you know, when when white collar workers commit crimes, they're punished to the fullest extent of the law.
Now the blue collar equivalent is illegal labor, and this has been allowed to go on for too long as far as I'm concerned.
Yeah, I agree.
Thanks for the call.
Uh I don't know what I can add to that because I absolutely agree with you.
Now, John McCain is still uh and I and I I love this little parody that uh Rush plays from time to time.
I think I think this parody actually nails John McCain's actual attitude about uh and it's an interesting multifaceted attitude.
Listen, listen to this parody.
So getting back to the um and Heritage Foundation has nailed this national security issue because when Ted Kennedy says uh this bill is a matter of national security, this is a national security bill, we are fixing a national security problem.
It is exactly the opposite.
It is exactly, I'm sorry, the opposite.
Now, uh Chris uh Kobach in the uh web memo by Heritage Foundation has some more numbers on this national security issue.
He says the four JFK terrorists uh who tried uh who had the plot to blow up uh the airport there to blow up the uh the fuel, include two nationals of Guyana, one of Trinidad and one former Guyanan who was granted U.S. citizenship.
The Fort Dix Islamic terrorists, the six who were going to shoot up our soldiers at Fort Dix, New Jersey, arrested in May, included five foreign nationals from uh Yugoslavia and Jordan, a sixth from Turkey eventually obtained U.S. citizenship.
Of the five aliens, three were illegals who had snuck across the southern border near Brownsville, Texas years ago.
He says the Border Patrol in 2005 apprehended 3,722 aliens from nations that are designated state sponsors of terrorism.
Now, if you look at that one year, and you look at the fact that Border Patrol says we get maybe one out of three aliens, that could be as many as 10,000 aliens in that one year crossing the border.
We have no idea the number, we have no idea where they're from, but could could be, based on what we did catch, from high-risk terrorist associated countries illegally entering the United States in the fiscal year 2005 in one year.
Now, let's say only one in a hundred is an actual terrorist, just to take a really conservative position.
I don't think they're coming here to pick the strawberries or clean the toilets myself.
But let's say it's only one in a hundred who's an Islamic jihadist type.
That means over a hundred terrorists snuck across the border in that one single year.
He says this bill, uh Chris Kobach goes on to detail the fact that this bill is outrageously easy for illegals who are terrorists to operate in this country.
He says terrorist option number one is to just continue to operate as an illegal alien.
There is no enforcement.
There's no problem.
Terrorist option number two, obtain the amnesty using your own real name.
Because under Section 601 H1 of the bill, the government has 24 hours, one business day, to conduct the so-called background check on each applicant.
Just use your own name, pal.
I'm from hey, I'm from Libya.
I'm uh Moamar's second cousin.
I'm a jihadist.
Uh what else do you want to know about me?
Got a website.
Uh got some nice YouTube videos.
And that's, you know, beheadings and stuff like that.
And and oh fine, stamp, boom, you've got it.
Probationary Z visa.
Twenty-four hours is a terrorist fast track.
Okay.
So then he talks about, uh, well, you can always, of course, you can also always use any other name you want to use.
Doesn't matter.
Doesn't matter.
And I've told this story before.
Did I tell it here on this time?
I'm not sure.
Mahmood Abu Halima fraudulently obtained a legal status under the 1986 amnesty.
That was limited to seasonal agricultural workers.
He's illegally in this country driving a cab in New York City.
He applies for the seasonal agricultural worker permit under the amnesty of the 1986 bill and gets one.
And then he becomes the ringleader of the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center.
His brother did the same thing.
Fifty-nine out of 94 foreign-born terrorists, according to Janice Keppert, counsel to the 911 commission, had committed immigration fraud to acquire or adjust their legal status.
There's nothing in this Kennedy bill that protects us from that.
And that's my problem.
I'm Roger Hedcock.
Coming back with your call.
Stay with us.
President Bush has vetoed, again, this is the second time the stem cell research bill, because it is a not even disguised abortion agenda bill, because it uh continues to rely on human the destruction of human embryos to provide the research.
The latest science on this, by the way, and it's amazing how the liberals uh want to push uh pseudoscience on global warming and pseudoscience, uh frankly, here too.
The latest actual science on stem cell research is that there are a lot of promising therapies coming out of stem cell research, mostly from cells that are recovered, not from embryos.
Not from embryos.
The embryo stem cells apparently, and we put a lot of money into this folks out here in California, have not yet produced any results.
Whereas stem cells from uh spine, uh uh what do you call it, the cord that attaches to the baby, the uh um umbilical cord, all that's all that stuff.
Uh all those cells, including adult stem cells, have now been able to uh fight uh diabetes and uh and all kinds of stuff.
And that's great stuff.
So Bush is making it clear he's not against uh stem cell research.
Nobody is.
What he's against is destroying human embryos uh to use those stem cells when and this is the I think the uh crowning irony, uh those stem cells don't appear to be as useful as others that are more easily obtained and don't destroy human embryos.
So Bush is standing up for that, and he's right.
All right, here's the Lewis in Neptune, New Jersey.
Uh Lewis, welcome to the Rush Limbaugh program.
Uh good morning, or good afternoon, Mr. Hedgecock.
Uh forgive me, I'm a little nervous first time uh calling, but I've been listening for a coup many years now since I've converted over to uh uh conservativism.
And my comment is when you said before about how these terrorists can look Spanish, yes, I'm a Hispanic male, and I can tell you what, I look at these guys and I'm like at awe at the resemblance that they can pass for for a Hispanic male.
And I've been saying this for a long time with many of my friends.
I'm like, these guys can actually pass for us.
So the mindset that the the um the senators and the and the people in in uh higher offices there don't want to do anything with the border is ludicrous because that's what you have to stop it at.
We're not punishing the people in Mexico.
You can't look at it that way.
It's that you have to protect the border because these guys can infiltrate, you know, the the Hispanic population.
You make them they can learn to speak Spanish.
I don't see them going into Norway or into the uh Scandinavian countries trying to sneak in there.
Why?
Because they don't look like them.
You try to blend in with with who you want to attack and who do you want to conquer.
And these guys, they that's all they want to do.
They just want to conquer.
They just want to kill all of us.
No matter what, and I'll tell you and I tell you, Lewis, uh I, you know, again, I want to make this clear.
Uh regardless of race, creed, or color, I think this country, uh, if it's going to survive, needs to know who's coming across the border and why.
And I think we do need to be a welcoming country to refugees of various places.
We do need to be, and we will be a welcoming country to legal immigration because a country's been built on that, and we have and and the economy would grow faster with a lot of people with certain skills and so forth.
And we have benefited uh from that in this country.
But I'll tell you what, this illegal tsunami not only presents uh a culturally transforming moment for for America because of the numbers involved, but it also involves, as you as you have pointed out, it involves uh, you know, you s swimming in that in that school of fish in that huge school of fish are these uh are these fish that shouldn't Be there are these fish that could be killing us.
And I think it's something that needs to be I I think it needs to be faced by people because you too often get intimidated, call racist, nativist, no nething, you know, whatever, uh, from the open border crowd, and I'm sick and tired of it.
Doesn't have anything to do with that.
Here's a SO.
Hey, Luis, thanks for the call.
I gotta move on.
Here's a Sad in Allentown, Pennsylvania.
Hiya Sad.
Hey, how are you doing, buddy?
Okay, what's up?
Um, I'm calling because uh about the immigration issue.
Uh to me it's it's I think it's a total crock from both ends of regardless of your Republican or Democrat.
I think this transcends party lines.
Um basically when there was a civil war going on in Lebanon, I'm I'm from Arab descent, and well, my aunt when my uncle passed away in Lebanon, and we have to bring over my aunt, my cousins, uh, my dad and my aunts and uncles and everybody else have to put in other 40 to 50,000 in her name to uh basically sponsor her so when she comes here to the states that she's not a welfare of the state.
And basically when she came here, she couldn't apply for any social services.
I forget the amount of times it was like three to five years after being here for any sort of type of social services or help.
And that's why I think this whole immigration thing is a total crock.
Basically, thank you.
Exactly.
I mean, I this is the way we've done this.
My grandmother came, she had to be sponsored, she had to, you know, not be a public charge, she had to have a job, she had to be sponsored in the job.
I went through all that, and and uh as far as I'm concerned, Assad, that's exactly the way it should be.
Uh I'm not asking for people to come up from uh uh around the world to be uh loafers.
We got plenty of those uh uh homegrown.
So uh we need some people coming here working.
And so the the idea that uh people who have come here illegally, and many of them working, but many of them not working, they're filling up our jails, they're filling up the I mean it's uh craziness here in California.
Uh this this idea that they would jump the line and get special privileges.
Do you know that if you can prove you're here January 1, 2007, you get this probationary Z visa.
But if you're legally in the country, you only have two years and you gotta have all these restrictions and you've got to pay all these fines and you gotta have duals.
We have made it harder to be legal than illegal.
We have favored illegal over legal, and we're reaping the whirlwind here.
This bill does not correct that.
And that's the big problem I'm having with it.
Let's take a break.
Thanks to Sod for the call.
I'm Roger Hitchcock in for Rush Limbaugh back after this.
Techno popping back into your uh radio.
I'm Roger Hedgecock filling in for uh Rush Limbaugh.
Let's get uh Lisa and Alexandria, Virginia in here.
Lisa, welcome to the Rush Show.
Hey, Roger, thanks for taking my call.
I have to vent my spleen here for a minute because I believe that this immigration bill is disingenuous from both sides of the aisle.
If they were really serious about cutting down on illegal immigration, they would say, okay, to the twelve million or so here, you can stay.
Here's a work visa, but you will never, never, never become a citizen unless you leave and go back through the legal channels.
You cannot allow these people to be citizens just because they they came across the country and they're living among us.
I I believe there's uh an unholy alliance between the Democrats and the Republicans.
The Republicans, I'm sorry to say, want the cheap labor.
And the Democrats want new voters.
And that's what this is all about.
And now we're not going to be able to do that.
You know what I love about this?
What I love about this, Lisa, is everybody's listening.
Uh what I love about this is you representing the the the great we the people uh understand what's exactly at stake.
You understand exactly how the political system is trying to uh twist its way to a conclusion that the public does not support, and our senators are now on a hot spot they're not accustomed to to try to deliver to the special interests that which we the people do not want to have happen.
That's gonna be the most interesting thing to watch, and we'll do it again tomorrow.
Rush, thanks for the privilege.
I'm Roger Hitchcock filling in for Rush Limbaugh.
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