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March 27, 2007 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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March 27, 2007, Tuesday, Hour #3
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We've had this guy on hold since the start of the program, and I didn't have time to get to him right before the previous hour ended.
So we'll get him now.
Port here on Michigan.
Thank you, sir.
You're a great American, and it's an honor to speak with you.
Thank you very much.
Well, my issue is I I needed a little bit of advice.
Uh I'm a college student.
I've been going to school about two years in the criminal justice program.
How old are you?
I am twenty-one.
Okay, criminal you're in a criminal justice program.
Okay.
And I've had to deal with uh uh uh quite a bit I've held the tolerance for all the liberal uh instructors, and I'm kind of a minority in my school, and I've uh this previous week uh I've about had it up to here.
A professor proclaimed that he would have our president hung and killed, hunted down and killed, uh if he was the president.
And for about a half hour he spent of our class time that I paid for uh to profess his political beliefs on us.
That's not a political belief, it's a criminal belief.
That's what I was thinking.
And you're in a criminal justice program, and your professor is advocating murder of the president of the United States.
Yes, sir.
Well, if you want to have real fun, you call a secret service.
In fact, Secret Service they're listening to this.
Oh, we've gotten calls after you w I kid you not.
After stories like this, you're not the first.
After stories like this, we have actually had a Secret Service call and want to know who was it that said that?
Now you you you're at Port here on Michigan.
You are you are you you're on the level here?
You have a professor who advocating hang if he was president he would hang Bush.
Yes, sir, and witness the whole class witnessed it.
And this is on uh the uh Monday, so you know it's it's backed up by facts.
So Monday, it was Monday?
Yes, sir.
It was yesterday for those of you in the previous Monday.
Uh so oh two Mondays ago.
Yes, sir.
Um what was the reaction in the classroom?
Well, uh due to fear of uh getting a bad grade, uh there isn't too much.
I I I got a little sick to my stomach, but uh I did not want to uh profess against the whole class and uh to him uh in fear of getting a bad grade.
I've had I've written reports on Bush praising our president.
I took extra care, turned it into a liberal teacher, and received a C when someone who wrote about Clinton has received an A. And it infuriates me.
It should.
Uh I get calls like this frequently, and you uh people ask me much as you've gotten close to ask what should I do?
And uh you know, you I always say this.
The grade's important.
I mean you're in school and a grade is the standard of measurement there, but there's also your um your integrity.
I never sacrifice my intelligence.
Well then because that's you know, you you're you're you're you're going through a life lesson here.
I must ask also, I ask I ask callers such as you this question.
Is it possible that your professor is merely trying to be provocative and and inspire thought and uh controversy within the classroom in order to get an exchange of ideas going to light a fire into you people uh in the class, or does he actually, in your opinion, did he mean this?
Does he say it with anger is uh uh is is normal behavior and the things that he says in class regularly back up the fact that he says this and you think he means it?
Yes, sir.
It was not a normal in a normal debating cla situation, a teacher might say something to provoke the class to interact.
This professor paused, took great thought in what he was gonna say after about twenty minutes of previous conversation slamming the president, uh uh about various political issues, obviously, with no facts to back it up, and then he states this very angrily and wholeheartedly.
And that's what uh gets me.
You know You know, I would love to just first and foremost, love to ask this guy what in the world he thinks He's doing teaching in the criminal justice system, advocating.
Let me correct you.
He i I am in the criminal justice system.
This is a computer class that goes into the program.
This is a computer class?
Yes, sir.
Oh, I misunderstood.
I thought it was an actual criminal justice court.
Doesn't matter.
I just Yeah, that that's the program I'm in the required course.
Well, crying out there.
Well, you know, he's not alone.
I mean, there have been movies made about the assassination of Bush.
There were there was a book published in the summer of two thousand four, a fictional account of how to assassinate Bush in Washington.
And of course the drive bys all told us that we need to consider these as works of art and so forth.
Your guy is not alone here.
I think, you know, you doesn't sound like you're surprised.
This is a lib, and these people are are more and more and more off the reservation, but my gosh, in a computer class.
How are you graded in a computer class?
What what what in the world is uh your average test?
What is it about you have to w I don't know I've never been in a computer class.
It's based off the substance of uh let's say Word, Excel, PowerPoint, uh your presentations on those uh uh computer programs.
He's asking you to do political presentations?
No, no, not political presentations, just uh compute basic.
You're graded on basically putting in uh the information and show you can comprehend the material and produce you know homework.
Okay, so it's learning the programs.
Yeah, it this this issue was totally unrelated uh to class time and how often how often does he start pontificating on these things have nothing to do with the subject matter.
This has occurred uh multiple times.
Uh but never uh not the ta speaking of assassinating our president if he had the authority to.
You know, that I I think that's criminal.
I think he should be prosecuted in the court of law, especially in a government institution preaching this to children, or not children, I should say young adults who pay uh and also uh some of them their parents pay.
I personally put myself through college, you know.
And if it w I I call my grandfather on this situation, he's a strong supporter of my life, and uh and you were the one that he said to call, because you're a number one guy in our book.
Well, I appreciate that.
How are we I guess I um I'm inspired here to ask you a question.
How are you putting your way through school?
Uh I've been working uh interior remodeling and uh and I just you know, as much side jobs as I can get and uh it's in right when I got out of college, I moved up to Michigan from Texas and I started working and saving my money and putting it through.
And uh, you know, there's been a few times I've had to get some help from my grandparents, and they've been a strong influence in my life and keep me right on the good track.
And I I really am interested getting into government after policing, uh, so I can do something about these issues that I'm seeing right now.
Well, I'm really proud of you, sir.
Uh the the the number of people like you don't often get enough credit uh for doing what it takes to put yourself through school.
I mean, you're doing the bulk of it, you're getting assistance when you need it.
We're really proud of you here for that.
Well, thank you.
Uh you don't need this professor.
Uh this this, you know, I I have have you confronted him on him on on any of this?
Uh not not yes, sir.
I I have the class uh twice a week, and uh uh one class that surpassed, and I've just been an awe on what to do.
I thought about an anonymous letter to the dean, uh, but then I said, you know, that'll alter my integrity.
I should present my name.
I'm not worried about the grade now.
I'm too upset about it.
I'll take the fall or whatever may come uh uh being blamed for me, but I'm not gonna stand for it.
I I You know, you um if you want to do this, uh you know, y if you're gonna send a letter to the dean, uh you should also confront the teacher.
Okay.
Don't jump you know, I mean, uh don't don't jump you do them both.
I mean, send the letter to both of them.
Okay.
Professor knows what you're doing.
Uh uh but in I if you're gonna do this, you you've got to make a point.
You tell the dean exactly what you told me.
You are putting yourself through school.
You are working additional jobs to pay for this.
You are in a criminal justice curriculum, and you have a computer professor who is taking time out from teaching you what you want to learn about these computer software programs to tell you that he would assassinate the president if he could.
Okay.
And uh and you and you question the value of your tuition dollars on this, particularly since it's a criminal justice program.
Exactly.
And not to mention the taxpayers, uh, you know, when it's a government funded institution.
Yeah.
You know, I can tell you well, from my grandfather assisted me, he is infuriated whenever he heard that.
Uh but logically he said that you know think about it rationally and to speak with someone to to create the right steps.
And uh so do you think that's the best way to go to the right.
Well, if uh uh I'm not entirely sure.
The most important thing for you in a situation like this is to not uh subordinate your instincts and your integrity to the grade.
That will serve you far more the rest of your life, not caving and and and not compromising your beliefs, then whatever grade you don't get will damage you.
Just believe me on this.
We're talking about you know your future here as a human being as an American and as a man.
Well I can tell your word is gold to me, so I I really appreciate that.
You're I look at I I have I totally understand your anger.
Uh George Will had a column this weekend on on uh uh the the new rage that's in politics.
And his uh one of one of the theories, and I'm gonna have to paraphrase this.
One of the theories was that that uh anger is an identifying characteristic for people who want to be in that group.
Uh that that anger is is something that uh makes up for something else they don't have that they lack in their lives, and the and the anger is um a way they connect with other people because they feel powerless.
Uh they they have their own views and they're and and they see their view as not triumphing and not winning, and they just feel powerless over it, uh, but that it is it it doesn't bode well uh for the culture or for the society or for these people.
You know, it's just it's abnormal uh to walk around and spend your day totally enraged all the time and to have it manifest itself uh when you're a professor by advocating that uh or suggesting that if you had the power you would kill uh the president of the United States, and you're right, you're right to be irritated by it and more than anger, I'm hurt.
Uh uh honestly, I'm really you know, uh if I was a sensitive more sensitive person, I'd I would have broke down in tears to believe that uh our society nowadays can condemn a person in leadership.
I don't care if it was Clinton, he's not my favorite guy, but I would never, never think about saying uh or even wishing death on him.
No, and I guarantee if anybody had, they would be in jail.
Oh, I guarantee.
If anybody had, they would be drummed out of work by the by the Professoriate uh and and the administrations at these universities, that wouldn't have been tolerated.
Um, you you've heard of the uh uh the controversial lecturer at the University of Colorado, uh Ward Churchill, who basically said that the people that died at 911 were idiots or whatever, you got that they were guilty, they deserve to die for some reason, they've been Americans and they in effect uh inspired this action by the Islamo fascists.
And of course he was defended as free speech every and your professor probably, by the way, will be defended by the administration on his on the rights free speech.
That professorial and academic uh latitude and freedom and so on.
The point uh is and and you shouldn't put this in your layers, you shouldn't you shouldn't suggest it trying to get rid of the guy.
You just want the administration to know what's going on in the classroom uh for the good of the university.
You know, you can and and you make it about your own personal feelings too.
It's nothing wrong with that.
But you know, enlarge it to include your you're you you're proud of the school, you like going to it, you chose it, doesn't reflect well on the school, the class seems intimidated and discombobulated by all this kind of talk.
It's a computer class, and you just want the administration to be aware of it.
Well, I brought that up in a class today, and surprisingly, uh, in a majority liberal class, uh uh it was a speech class, as a matter of fact, a public speaking class.
Uh the the majority of the class, even the liberals agreed that that was not right.
Uh so I therefore I have peers that agree with me on both sides of the truth.
Well you may you you have may you may have peers in that situation, but understand this.
When you send a letter, you're going it alone.
You know, a lot of a lot of people will will peel themselves away to avoid the controversy.
I'm willing to take whatever uh consequences are rendered, uh, because I I don't want to I value my life on my value of the city.
That's a great attitude to have because you're bigger than that university.
You don't need it, it needs you.
There are countless other places that have criminal justice programs you could go to if you had to.
And you've already demonstrated that you're willing to do what it takes to get into one of these places by working these extra jobs to pay your tuition.
So you know, you you you don't need that place if it comes to this.
Uh and if you have to leave, and I don't think it's going to come to this at all, but but there are plenty other places you could go that'd be uh uh as affordable and just as valuable after this call, you may never know.
You might have people offering you slots in.
This is outrageous.
And we hear this we hear this all the time about about uh liberal professors and the things they say, but advocating personal assassination of the president, that's that that is somewhat unique.
Are there legal ramifications qu uh that that you think is is there a law that prevents that?
I mean, I'm in law, but I I don't know who would enforce it.
Well, yeah, you there's you cannot publicly threaten to assassinate the president.
Secret Service here's about you doing that, and you will hear from them.
Does the word if uh compromise that law or change anything?
Since he said if I was the president, I would have them hung hunting down and uh hung, pretty much murdered.
Uh I'm not expert enough on on the niceties of that if I were president.
The implication is that this guy thinks presidents can have anybody, you know, lopped off the head at the first desire they have.
That's that's BS.
But I don't I don't think that the Secret Service or people concerned with protecting the President are going to be that nuanced about it.
Here's a guy saying he would do it.
Uh he probably never would.
I mean, this is this is just some blowhard that's uh, you know going off for whatever reason.
Uh but your your your course of action here is uh is is well taken.
Just do it, you know, the not only in the guise of uh your personal feelings and reaction to it, but for the good of the university.
Put in your letter, you're proud of the place, you chose it, and it just seems unbecoming of the place for students to uh have to have to hear this.
And uh you you don't put this in the letter, but just so you know, John Wilkes Booth was a blow hard.
Uh and he actually pulled a trigger on Abe Lincoln.
I gotta run here on way long, folks.
We'll be back.
Stay with us.
Ha!
We're back.
All right, I know you're all intrigued about this headline worms live longer on fortified steak and chicken.
This is from Lives Science.com.
Experiments with worms suggest that humans might one day be able to eat themselves to a longer and healthier life.
The new approach differs from previous studies, which extended life in non-human animals by keeping food consumption to a bare minimum.
This is called caloric restriction, a standard diet.
Researchers led by Mikhail Shepanov, formerly of Oxford University, fed nematode worms.
Uh and a word I can't pronounce here, uh elegance.
They fed these worms bits of steak and chicken reinforced with various forms of atoms, variations of certain atoms called isotopes.
Uh they had elements like hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen, and oxygen.
Isotopes have the same number of protons as their natural counterparts, but different numbers of neutrons.
Carbon, for example, usually has six protons and six neurons, an isotope of carbon called CI3 or C13, C13 has six protons, seven neutrons.
Worms on the specialized diet lived about ten percent longer on average.
Assuming people will one day routinely live to one hundred, a similar approach in humans could add an extra ten years to a person's life.
The researchers think that eating isotope reinforced foods reduces molecular damage incurred by rouge molecules that roam, could I think it's rogue, they meant, molecules that roam the body called free radicals, which have highly reactive, unpaired electrons.
Many scientists think that free radical damage is one of the reasons why organisms change.
Now, according to Shepanov, replacing atoms in chemical bonds susceptible to attack with their natural isotopes strengthens Those bonds.
Because these bonds are so much more stable, should be possible to slow the process of oxidate oxidation and aging.
Researchers suggest adding isotopes to animal feed so that humans can benefit directly or indirectly when eating animal products like steaks and chicken fillets.
Isotopes could also be used in foods of pets or of soldiers to provide added protection against radiation.
So unlike the first conclusion that you eat put worms in there to eat what you eat, and they so forth, it's the worms have been telling worms live longer eating these fortified steaks and chicken fillets, have these isotopes in there.
They're working on doing this in humans.
But I think the worm idea in there, if they could control the worms to eat what you eat, that'd be a hell of a diet.
And we'll get to more of your phone calls in a jiffy.
We also asked a question yesterday.
What the hell is Chuck Hagel up to?
What in the world is he doing?
Out there running for president, he calls an announcement to announce he's not announcing anything.
The whole drive-by media goes out there to Omaha and he doesn't announce anything, and he said, I never said I was going to announce it.
Well, why call a press conference so you're not going to do something?
I mean, it's not as though you're an incumbent not seeking re-election, or you're anyway.
We've got the answer.
We have the answer.
We'll play the answer for you here in just a moment.
First, German scientists have for the first time used adult bone marrow stem cells to regenerate healthy human liver tissue.
Heinrich Hyen University researchers in Dusseldorf used the stem cells, again, these are adult bone marrow stem cells, to help quickly regenerate liver tissue in cancer patients unable to undergo surgery because removing the cancerous tissue would leave too little liver to support the body.
Our study suggests that liver stem cells harvested from the patient's own bone marrow can further augment and accelerate the liver's natural capacity to regenerate itself.
Well, hubba hub.
More success here with adult stem cells.
And let's see, Democrat lawmakers are going to reintroduce the ERA, Liberal Democrats in the Senate and the House plan to resume the fight for women's equality today when they reintroduce the women's equality amendment.
Senator Kennedy, Senator Boxer, representatives Carla Maloney and Gerald Nadler, both of New York, plan to join Ilanor Squeal, president of the feminist majority in making the Tuesday afternoon announcement.
I haven't seen anything on this yet.
So if they've announced it, nobody cares.
I doubt that, which means they probably haven't announced it yet.
This time around, supporters say they hope women will finally achieve official equality in America, but a conservative group said that women's rights activists are fighting old battles.
All of liberalism is.
All of liberalism is just fighting the same old battle, left and right, destroy capitalism, just come up with various techniques in order to get this done.
I remember the first ERA.
1970s.
It was in Kansas City.
And uh I actually was doing a little talk show then.
I wouldn't.
It was a talk show on a music station.
And it was at night.
And the ERA was a subject.
I remember when the original period of time for ratification perspired.
Here came all these feminizes.
That's not very, not very, it's not fair.
We we need to expand the only time for the state to ratify.
And I had one of them on the phone.
Don't you think this is uh a little bit unfair?
I mean, you've got you got X number of years, you didn't get it done.
You're not even close.
It's not a question of fairness, Mr. Limbaugh, it's a question of what's right.
And this is right, and we need all the time we can't of course uh boundaries, rules, and so forth uh didn't matter.
Uh be interesting to see if they actually do this and what comes of it.
I this just it's another technique to keep the culture roiled.
They just want us continually boiling over in anger and effervescence out there.
It's silly.
Uh, half the woman, the women that would have supported it, have now gone back home and are raising kids out of choice.
You know what's happening?
These women that bought in this career stuff uh and bought into, you know, don't don't don't make your life about the home.
I mean, that's that's not fulfilling, and you're letting down the sisterhood.
So they said, fine and daddy's they, you know, dress like men, got jobs like men's, they're climbing the corporate ladder like men, started getting heart disease like men.
Uh, and then they eventually found some dupe to marry.
And they got pregnant, had a little baby.
And of course, the intention was to either force the job offer the company to put a daycare center in there, or to go out and get a nanny and continue to live the enlightened life.
Something happened out there.
Something happened.
Not all of them, but it's happening more and more, greater frequency.
The arrival of that little unviable tissue mass, the arrival of the little baby.
In many of these women just had a magic, magical transformation trans transformational effect.
And they decided they wanted to stay home.
It really irritated the feminist leadership.
This was not supposed to happen.
And it was, you know, feminism, militant feminism has been nothing more than a sustained attack on basic human nature, in large part because it was so unkind to some of them.
So it was about getting even.
It was about reciprocity.
And you can you can do it for a while.
I mean, you can you can alter.
I mean, you you you you you know people.
Feminist guy, feminist gal, uh uh that had a little girl painted a bedroom blue, and uh gave a little girl G.I. Joe to play with, had a little girl painted uh had a little boy uh painted a bedroom pink and gave them Barbie and so forth.
They really did this.
Because they bought the notion that it's all conditioning that makes women like they are and men like they are.
They found out that they gave their little boys in the in the pink bedroom these Barbie dolls, and they started playing with them like they were G.I. Joe's.
Started having fights with each other and killing one of the other and playing war.
Parents were aghast.
Parents were they were stunned and then the little girl with a G.I. Joe dolls started dressing them up as Barbie and and nurturing them and building little doll houses, having tea parties there with his little miniature sets, their G.I. Joe all decked out for war having tea.
Uh just it just to get this combobulated.
So the the the I think the universe of women that would support the ERA this time around is uh much less than would be intrigued by this in the early 70s when it first started.
Uh I'm sure they still got their radicals and these babes up in the babes, I use the term loosely, these uh women that lives up there in the Pacific Northwest.
You see them in airports with their two German shepherds to make sure you don't attack them and you wouldn't anyway.
Uh some of them half of them shave their legs, half of them don't.
I mean, you they're still out there, they're probably still, you know, vote for it or support it and so forth.
But we got the universe here of people that's going to be really behind this is uh shriveled uh out there, so to speak.
They're just living in the past.
It's just that's fundraising, too, by the way.
Giant, giant fundraising tool on the part of the militant feminist group.
So let's go to this Hegel business.
Here is a soundbite from yesterday's program, me speaking.
Snerdry and I just talking about this.
Can't figure it out here.
Can't figure out what the political upside for Chuck Hagel is and all this rap that he has gotten into, now talking about the president might be impeached or could be impeachable.
I just can't figure it out.
Unless he's running for the Democrat nomination.
I don't know what Chuck Hagel's up to.
I literally one of the brainiest political analysts out there.
And this is senseless.
I cannot detect an intelligent motive for this.
Well, uh I didn't think of one thing here, and that is that uh Chuck Hagel studied at Maverick University, uh, taught by lead professor John McCain.
And when you listen to our montage here of various drive-by media types, you'll understand what Hegel was up to.
What Republican Senator Chuck Hagel said involving the impeachment of George W. Bush.
It's one thing for some on the uh fringes to be talking about impeachment.
It's another thing for a senior Republican senator from Nebraska to even mention the I word.
Chuck Hagel did drop the I word.
Keep in mind, he is a Republican.
Republican Senator Chuck Hagel warned Mr. Bush.
He said, before this is over, you might see calls for impeachment.
Senator Chuck Hagel is saying impeachment time.
What does it mean if Republican Senator Chuck Hagel is using the word impeachment?
Chuck Hagel, the Vietnam vet, the combat vet, a conservative on almost every issue, is now talking impeachment of the president.
Oh, he got what he wanted.
That's what he wanted.
Fawing media attention for his um for his claim for his suggestion.
And that that that's right out of the uh uh Maverick uh university.
Here's Ken in Orlando.
Ken, thank you for waiting.
Welcome to the EIB network.
Hi, Rush.
Boy, it's really great to talk to you, Mr. Ditto.
thank you, sir, very much.
Um I I just don't want you to let uh that uh one Senator, uh the real space cadet from Arkansas, I believe it was, uh, that you mentioned earlier, early in the case.
That would be Mark Pryor.
This is a you're talking about the guy that wants a secret date in legislation to get out of Iraq that nobody but the White House, the Congress, and the military would know.
Oh, well, see, now the military, that's new that's what I wanted to talk about because I I didn't, you know, I didn't think it was the military.
I thought he just said the White House and the Congress.
And immediately what would come into my mind is, you know, I there's a tens of thousands of troops that you know have to like pack their bags really quietly so not to disturb the insurgents as they sneak out of Iraq.
Is that you know I just I couldn't picture it.
The whole thing just seems so ludicrous to me.
I I wanted to make sure that you uh set up something along the lines of your club ghetto or something.
You know what?
You know what?
You're right.
Here are the three institutions he wants to know the secret pull-out date.
He doesn't want anybody outside the White House, outside Congress, or the Iraqi government to know what it is.
The military would be in the dark as to the date.
You would kind of think the troops would need to know about that and maybe talk to their families, you know, just to you know, pick them up at the airport when they get home and stuff.
I just, you know, again, the whole thing just seems so ludicrous to me.
Somebody really needs to hold this guy's feet to the fire and not let him get away with that.
Well, a lot of people are gonna think it's not worth their time other than to, you know, sort of make fun of it, like you're doing.
Yeah, well, uh at least, you know, to take this one shot at him.
I'm glad I got a chance with doctors.
I'm glad I'm I'm I'm glad you did.
It is it is absurd.
Here's here's here are the details again.
Uh Mark Pryor, Democrat from Arkansas, key holdout on his party's proposal to approve the 124 billion dollars for uh Iraq and Afghanistan, which sets a goal of March 31st, 2008 to get out of Iraq.
Uh, unlike the plan's Republican opponents, Mark Pryor, wants a withdrawal decline of some kind.
He just doesn't want anybody outside the White House, Congress, the Iraqi government to know what it is.
Now, the first thing to say is that if one member of Congress knows it, it's going to get leaked.
Yeah.
There's no way of keeping a date like this secret.
It's just absurd.
But he he went further and said, my strong preference would be to have a classified plan and a classified timetable that would be shared with Congress.
A public decline would tip off the enemy.
It might just bide their time and wait for us to leave.
But they don't know when we're leaving, but if we know when we're leaving, then that would make it better.
He said a classified plan would be provided by the president, shepherded by Senate committees, and ultimately shared with Congress and the Iraqi leaders.
He's confident the plan would remain secret because Congress is entrusted with secrets all the time.
doesn't the New York Times make their living these days busting secrets wide open and giving away information on everything Well, how long would it you think it would take?
This is you know, legislation.
I mean, you you classify it after a while, but we're currently in Congress today debating the secret withdrawal date for the American troops to leave Iraq.
It's just so laughable.
I, you know, again, I I I'm glad that uh at least to get a chance for you to remind people of just how dumb some of these Democrat suggestions are.
Well, he was asked a question.
He said, What if the president's withdrawal plan didn't include a deadline?
Or what if it leaked through leaders in Iraq to the insurgents?
And Pryor said, Well, that's all worth considering, but in the meantime, at least you'd have a plan.
We've got a lot of better plan than that, thanks.
No, we've got a plan now.
The Democrats wrote it in the House last.
We got a plan.
Right.
He just doesn't want to support it because the date's public.
Right.
Uh these people are falling all over themselves to sound intelligent.
It's the uh exact opposite is happening.
Quick obscene brought uh profit timeout.
Thank you out there, Ken.
Back with more in a jiffy.
I mentioned this in the beginning of the program.
I want to squeeze this in before we have to get out of here.
Um is a legal reporter for ABC News, and she's excellent.
She's uh rare.
I'm not gonna say too much because I'll ruin her career.
Uh it's happened too many times.
I've I've praised various journalists, networks, and um get in trouble.
So Jan Crawford Greenberg.
A story here exclusive.
Department of Justice official ignored White House guidance.
Testimony contradicted Gonzalez and U.S. matters sparked controversy.
The fire storm over the fired U.S. attorneys was sparked last month when a top Justice Department official ignored guidance from the White House and rejected advice from senior administration lawyers over his testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee.
That official, Deputy Attorney General Paul McNuldy, ignored White House Counsel Harriet Myers and senior lawyers in the Justice Department when he told the committee last month of specific reasons why the administration fired seven U.S. attorneys and appeared to acknowledge for the first time that politics was behind one dismissal.
McNuldy's testimony directly conflicted with the approach Myers advised, according to an unreleased internal White House email described to ABC News.
According to that email, Myers said the administration should take the firm position it wouldn't comment on personnel issues.
Until McNuldy's testimony, administration officials had consistently refused to publicly say why specific attorneys were dismissed and insisted the White House had complete authority to replace them, which is true.
That was Gonzalez's approach when he testified before the committee in January.
But McNuldy, who worked on Capitol Hill twelve years, believed he had little choice but to more fully discuss the circumstances of the attorney's firings, according to a Justice Department official that's familiar with all this.
McNully believed that Senators would demand additional information, and he was confident he was confident.
Listen to me, Snurdly.
He was confident he could draw on a long relationship with New York Senator Chuck Schumer in explaining in more detail.
So he thought if he would just open up to Schumer, then it would quell all of this.
In doing so, McNuldy went well beyond the scope of what the White House cleared him to say when it approved his written testimony the week before the hearing.
Senators are now focusing on the part of McNuldi's testimony that appeared to directly contradict the earlier testimony by Gonzalez.
Source close to the McNuldi said that he had believed he was not contradicting Gonzalez testimony, was in fact conveying the same message as his boss.
Say that McNulty stressed that the other U.S. attorneys were fired for what he described as performance-related reasons, suggesting the prosecutors had not been up to par, but that appeared to conflict with assurances that Gonzalez and other Justice Department officials had made about the U.S. attorneys to senators from their respective states, including Senator Kyle from Arizona.
Gonzalez had told Kyle privately the administration was dismissing Paul Charlton, the U.S. attorney in Arizona, whom the Senator had personally recommended because of disagreements over policy.
Tart had crossed paths with the Justice Department officials over his reluctance to seek the death penalty in some cases, as well as his insistence the FBI should record confessions.
At one point, one of the lawyers asked about Cummins' dismissalist again in Arkansas, and how McNuldy could explain that using the performance-related phrase, the source said.
McNuldy said he would just explain the Weiss House had a candidate for the job, and that opened up the entire thing.
The phrase performance related is where all this goes wrong.
Instead of accepting those explanations, however, Schumer aggressively challenged McNuldy during the hearing over perceived inconsistencies in his testimony and that of Gonzalez.
This is the first we've ever heard of this, Schumer said incredulously.
Moments after McNuldi revealed that Cummins was fired so Griffin could step in.
Anyway, there have been a lot of people suggesting that McNulty is ambitious, wants to be attorney general, might be uh behind this in a sense that he's purposely going beyond what the administration had authorized me said.
Uh, and then confiding in Schumer thinking quell the whole thing.
Uh so the plot thickens uh in all this.
So you have the first Hispanic American attorney general, a minority, under fire by white liberal racists in the uh Senate.
I guarantee you that uh, and he's not the first, by the way, we'll never forget what happened to Miguel Estrada.
And that was just whife ended up committing suicide over what they did to him.
Uh it's horrible.
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