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Feb. 21, 2007 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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February 21, 2007, Wednesday, Hour #3
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Uh Catherine in Ventura, California.
Hang on, I'm coming to you real quick here.
I'm going to use you to start the lifestyle section, but before I get there, I want to spend a little bit more time on this on this uh uh the guy that called about the HBO documentary is gonna run on Abu Ghrab on HBO sometime uh tomorrow night next week.
Whenever I forget what he said it's gonna run.
Uh but he was he was just bent out of shape that the people in Hollywood, the Democrats seem to want to continue to portray the U.S. military as uh no different today than they were in Vietnam.
And I uh uh want to read this quote to you from Charles Schumer uh again.
Uh this this uh was on the McClatchy Newswire.
Uh he said, quote, there will be resolution after resolution, amendment after amendment.
I mentioned this to you yesterday.
This is the first resolution is non-binding thing that that failed.
It's just a first of many of these attempts to isolate the president politically.
Uh but here's the key.
There will be resolution after resolution, amendment after amendment, just like in the days of Vietnam.
The pressure will mount.
The president will find he has no strategy, and he will have to change his strateger, and the vast majority of our troops will be taken out of harm's way and come home.
Now the obvious question that anybody with any historical perspective would have is why would anybody want to relive Vietnam?
Why, why who is it that looks at that period of time uh as something great and valorous in America's history?
What happened?
For all intents and purposes, it was a defeat for this country, and it was my gosh, it was a human massacre in that in that region after we left.
Paul Pott wiped out how many millions of his own people in Cambodia.
The North overran the South.
My gosh, the killing fields when we left, that's what happened.
They want to replicate that.
Beyond that, ladies and gentlemen.
The thing about this that's most curious to me is how in the world Democrats think that this helped them politically.
Did they benefit from Vietnam?
Somebody explained to me how Vietnam and their ending of that war, along with the drive-by media back then.
How did it help them?
It gave them George McGovern, they got shellacked by Richard Nixon.
I guess they think it led to Watergate, and they got a Republican president out of office.
And I think that's what they're trying to replicate now.
But it forever sealed their image as weak on national defense, literal dislike and hatred for the U.S. military, and they were wandering in the desert for years.
Jimmy Carter came along and made it even worse.
What in the world about Vietnam do they want to replicate?
And it it to me, it has to be that in their mind the culmination of Vietnam was forcing a Republican president from office.
You know, Nixon at Watergate.
All right, Catherine, uh, let's see.
Uh blah blah blah blah blah.
What do you've switched up on me here?
Oh, all right.
Catherine, hang on.
Mr. Snerdley says there's somebody's got to put up first.
Tony in Cleveland, it's you, sir.
Your turn.
Welcome to the program.
Hey Rush, how are you doing?
This is uh Tony from Cleveland.
Good, sir.
Uh you know what?
I kind of listen to your talk from time to time, and I don't think you're dumb, but uh that would mean that you're pure evil.
And uh I was just wondering how you thought about that.
Here we are in the virginal lifestyle section.
You give me I've got to answer a question, somebody who thinks I'm pure evil, wants to know what I think of his opinion of me as pure evil.
I think you are dumb.
Well, no, I mean I'm not even gonna try to say that.
And uh Okay, I'll try to jump in the conversation here.
If you want to benefit on Vietnam, I guess the benefit would show that uh you know the American people can actually stop an unjust war there.
No, no, no, no.
If you're gonna talk about Vietnam, it's gonna be as idiotic as what you just said to me about me being evil when it comes to oil.
What what do you mean I am evil when it comes to oil?
Well Okay, I don't think I mentioned oil to you, but I didn't talk about your screener, but yeah, I mean, have you ever seen a uh oil company going under?
Have you ever seen oil companies on hard?
Why do you want them to?
Do you want them to all be like Ford?
Do you want him to go under?
What what do you want?
Because Ford wants to talk about losses, but at the same time they're buying out Daimler Chrysler right now.
What do you mean?
Stop talking about Ford.
It's a major American corporation and it's hurting.
And I don't hear you guys celebrating this or being had Why do you want oil to go under for?
I'm sorry.
Do I want oil to go under?
Yeah, you said when has it ever gone under?
I haven't seen it go under.
Why do you want it to?
And by the way, if you go back to the eighties in Louisiana, domestic oil did go under.
There are a lot of people in this country in the domestic oil business who lost everything because of regulations and plummeting prices.
It has gone under.
Where were you?
You should have been happy and celebrating.
I think I was about uh ten years old at the time.
Sorry, I'm a little bit younger there.
But uh why am I asking?
Well, probably most likely because of the record-setting profits and the massive consolidation of wealth in this country, where I believe now it's up to 30 or 50%.
All right.
I hark it thanks for the call, Tony.
I hearken back to our 20-year-old who called from Miami.
I'm having the same conversation he had with his boss.
And it's just as big a waste of time.
What was his name?
What was that young guy's name?
I hope he is still listening to the program.
This this was going to be the conversation I was going to have.
Jack was his name.
This was gonna be the same conversation I was gonna have with the big time Hollywood mogul at the big party at the Pebble Beach uh Pro Am uh Wednesday night when he wanted to get my mind right about oil.
What these conversations are worth, ladies and gentlemen, is people learning the intellectual vacancy that exists on the part of those people who have this hatred for big oil.
Profits.
What did he say?
Cons uh the consolidation of wealth in this country.
Um do that to me again when I'm getting ready for the lifestyle say how do we how do we segue from this to the story among men being hardwired to ignore their wives?
Uh Catherine in Ventura, California, thanks.
I apologize for that.
Uh uh Sturdley thought he could cause some fireworks here, but it's your turn now.
Oh, thank you.
Uh, two questions, Rush.
Yeah.
Are you familiar with the Florida judge who is trying this Anna Nicole Smith?
Well, I don't I don't know him personally.
He lives down the road in uh Broward County, uh Fort Lauderdale.
Uh I don't I don't know him personally.
I've I've I've I got the try got it on here in the media guy?
Is he in the paper all the time?
Um he seems to just love to perform.
Uh th I I this this explain my attitude about this judge.
I I've got I gotta go back to my uh days of naivete and idealism when I was young and my my f my whole family are lawyers, and I have an uncle who's a federal judge, and uh my grandfather was uh I uh a judge at times prominent lawyer.
My cousin is uh is a judge on the Missouri Supreme Court.
My father talking to my brother and me as we were growing up, constantly telling us about what it's like dealing with judges as a lawyer, that they are autocrats, they rule a courtroom and wait a minute, my husband's a judge.
Well, no, no.
No, he respected the screen.
No, no, he respected.
He was he was using his experiences in the courtroom with judges as a life lesson for me.
You're always Sonny's are gonna deal with author authority figures, they're gonna have more power than you do, and you there are just times you've got to do deal and live with what they say.
And and that's and and he then went on to say this is why, and I'll never forget him saying this.
This is why we need incredible people as judges.
Well, this is the next question I want to ask you.
Is there a commission on judicial performance or some kind of judicial watchdog agency in Florida that Laura that lawyers can complain to?
Uh you know, regarding how he's handling this case.
Uh I'm on a window.
Well, I don't know.
Is is your your your husband's a judge.
Is he subjected to that where you live in K. Oh my gosh.
In California, there's a commission.
It's very liberal.
They, you know, they mostly go after conservative judges.
But yes, they have a canonic.
What kind of what kind of judge is your uh He's a superior court judge.
Superior Court judge.
Yeah.
Is that elected or appointed?
He's elected.
Elected.
Well, yeah, because he did he would they would be on him next week.
When it comes to appointed judges, and I don't know if this guy is, I uh I don't know what legal mechanisms there are to reprimand or get rid of the guy.
But that's not the point.
I I think as I look at this judge, and when when my father was telling me about, you know, the in his view why it was incredibly important we just had really rare and unique, wise individuals as judges, and he was relating this to the current legal issues of the time.
Uh I forget what they were, but he gave me examples.
I look at this guy, and he is the antithesis of an incredible person.
There is n this guy is no more than a wannabe television personality.
Uh, exactly.
This this guy is making a disgraceful to the other judges in in the States.
I mean, it it's a disgrace.
He's not he's not the first to bring disgrace upon judges.
No, there's Edo and all kinds of lovely judges out there that did that.
But you've got to remember the lay people are watching this, and you you just think, gee.
Actually, it probably is a good thing when you think about it, because they can see what it's like to have someone like him handling a game.
Well, I can in a way it's it's it's okay for people to get a different view.
They look at judges, I mean, they're wearing the robes, they're up there on the bench, they're sitting high above everybody.
I think a lot of people think they are, special, especially at the Supreme Court level.
You look at our society today, the judges have been set up as the final arbiters of political issues.
Yes, sir.
So this guy is sitting there, and he knows that there are network TV cameras televising everything he's doing, and he is milking this for everything it's worth while the body's decomposing.
While the I mean, this is this is an ordeal that ought not have lasted longer than half a day.
I know.
I hope the lawyers do something about it.
I hope they can complain.
Well, one of the lawyers today told this guy it was a circus, and the judge said, I take great umbrage at that.
You're calling these proceedings in my chambers uh circus, where my God, he's he's he he chartered a couple of jets for this Howard K. Stern guy to fly back to the Bahamas last night.
Wow.
Gave him his choice.
He went out and got a jet from a local sports owner or a doctor, and a Howard K. Sturt.
This is in the newspaper.
So he is like Lanceto, who had them flying over Southern California, his jersey.
And the in the good year blimp and letting celebrities in and oh goody.
Okay.
Well, that's that's that's true.
So this this guy's not the first, but I'm just this this is this this this guy is totally caught up in his pop culture moment.
Uh it's it's it's patently obvious.
This is sick.
It is sick in terms of our legal system.
It is sick in terms of the status of our pop culture, and I there's part of me that thinks Brittany Spears keeps checking in and out of rehab every other day because she's jealous of all the coverage this guy's getting.
Back in just a second.
Time won't let me, but we don't squeeze it in anyway.
All right, let's get let's get to the lifestyle section.
Eagerly awaited since yesterday.
First up from New York.
This is uh Associated Press and CBS dispatch combined.
In what it says is an attempt to get students to debate the issue of illegal immigration, a student republican club at New York University has dreamed up a novel game that of course has some on the campus calling the event racist.
In the game planned for Thursday called Find the Illegal Immigrant, members of the club who present their NYU ID become immigration agents looking for an illegal in the crowd.
The agent who successfully identifies the illegal immigrant wins a gift certificate.
Students have sent club officials emails calling the event racist and disgusting, but the club said it's about stoking debate on the issue of illegal immigrants.
It's not a racist event, first and foremost, said Sarah Chambers, twenty-one year old president of the college Republicans.
Just because we don't want illegal immigrants being able to completely disregard the laws of our country doesn't make us racist.
This is exactly the kind of discussion that should be happening on college campaign.
All over the country.
Brave kids, these Republicans.
At NYU being called racists.
That's a typical left-wing trick to shut down debate.
Political correctness and all that.
All right, where's this from?
Duke!
This is from Duke University.
When a man fails to help out around the house, his poor performance might be related to a subconscious tendency to resist doing anything his wife wants, according to a new study.
Men and women are sure to argue about this one.
In fact, the man and woman who led this study disagree on the meaning of the results.
Can't laugh too hard or coughing spasm.
Psychologists have long known about reactants, the tendency to do the exact opposite of what's requested by a loved one or a boss.
The new study aimed to find out whether the phenomenon might occur at a subconscious level as well.
Participants were asked to name a significant person they perceived as controlling their lives, and another who just wanted them to have fun.
Then they were asked to discern words from jumbled letters on a computer screen while the names of these people they had mentioned were flashed subliminally.
The names were flashed too quickly to be registered consciously, but they were flashed up there.
Subjects performed better when exposed to the name of the person who wanted them to have fun than when exposed to the controlling individual's name, even though they couldn't see the controlling individual's name on the screen.
Gavin Fitzsimmons, professor of marketing and psychology at Duke, said our participants were not even aware that they had been exposed to someone else's name, yet that non-conscious exposure was enough to cause them to act in defiance of what their significant other would want them to do.
Further testing found that study participants who were more reactant, responded more strongly to the subliminal cues and had a wider performance gap.
So the study has concluded that men are hardwired to ignore their wives.
It doesn't also say that wives are hardwired to ignore their husbands.
No, I mean it doesn't say that here.
It's totally focusing on men and authority figures.
Your boss, your spouse, men hardwired to ignore their wives.
You know, I don't know if it's hardwired or not.
I mean, the study indicates it might be with this subconscious stuff, this subliminal stuff.
But to me, this is just it's about nagging.
You know, I just I think men are hardwired to ignore nagging in general.
And um just do.
Uh what men respond to is sex.
Let's be honest.
I'm kidding.
I'm just I'm just I'm just just trying to I'm just just trying to be stereotypical here.
Anyway, men hardwired.
This is from Duke University, and we all know they know what they're doing there.
Uh men hardwired to ignore their wives.
Slate.com, Lib publication, women are chokers.
Studies show they cave under pressure.
Why?
Article by Steve Landsberg, not Landesburg, Steve Landsberg.
Among the highest paid corporate executives, only two and a half percent are women.
Among the most elite scientists, those who've been uh elected to the National Academy of Scientists, uh, fully 9% are women.
Depending on your biases, you can read you can read that as evidence that women are better at science than business, that corporations discriminate against women, or uh if you believe that profit maximizing corporations get everything just right, that the National Academy discriminates against men.
You can read this in any number of ways you want.
If you have access to the world wide web, you'll have no problem finding theories, evidence, counter evidence, and polemics.
Galore on the subject.
But here I just want to talk about one bit of evidence regarding one of the many factors that might be in play.
Women, especially high achieving women choke under pressure.
You can observe a lot of high achievers under pressure at a grand slam tennis tournament.
Better yet, you can observe them under variable pressure.
I hate to have to stop there, ladies and gentlemen.
The constraints of the programming format cause this.
We'll resume this.
Women are chokers under pressure after we get back.
All right, we left off before the break sharing you details of Slate.com.
This is a left of center internet publication.
Story by Steven Landsberg called Women Are Chokers.
Studies show they came under pressure.
He says you can observe a lot of high achievers under pressure at a grand slam tennis tournament.
Better yet, you can observe them under variable pressure.
Things are a lot tenser when the score is 5'5 when it's zero zero.
Professor Danielle Pacerman of Hebrew University made good use of this variability at the 2006 French Open and the U.S. Open and the Wimbledon tournaments.
First, uh Danielle is a man he assigned an importance to each point in each match.
He did this by assigning probabilities to every way the match might unfold, accounting for players' ratings, the surface they were playing on, and the identity of the server.
That allowed him to say things like if Roger Federer wins this point, he has a 60% chance to win the match.
If he loses the point, he has a 55% chance.
The 5% difference measures the point's importance.
Excuse me.
It turns out that by at least one measure, the number of unforced errors, men play equally well throughout the match.
They make unforced errors on about 30% of the most important points, about 30% of the least important, and about 30% of those in between.
But women show a very different pattern.
34% unforced errors on the least important points, steadily rising to almost 40% on the most important points.
That's almost surely too big a difference to be mere coincidence or statistical.
What, besides choking, could explain these numbers?
Well, maybe the closest games are usually played late in the match when players are more fatigued.
Maybe more of those games involve weak players, maybe more of them occur at the French Open where the court's harder to play.
But Professor Pazerman tests all these theories and none stands up to statistical analysis.
Another counter-theory, maybe women play more defensively when the score is tight.
If both players just keep lobbing the ball back and forth, there can't be any forced errors, so all errors are recorded as unforced.
In support of this theory, Professor Pacerman observes that women do play more defensively when the score's tight.
But unfortunately for the counter theory, so do men.
When the pressure's on both men and women get more defensive and by about the same amount, but only women make more errors.
Meanwhile, another band of researchers has gone on to explain and research, been running experiments to see how men and women perform in competitive environments.
First they have subjects of what this leads to, uh, ladies and gentlemen, is this the final line of the piece.
But in competition against men, women do no better than when they're working in isolation.
Competition against anyone, according to the statistical analysis here of this this French professor, Michelle, the gentleman Pazerman.
Competition against anyone improves men's performance.
Competition against women improves women's performance, but competition against women, against men, uh women crumble.
In the corporate world, the Grand Slam tennis circuit, which takes us You know, I I don't doubt this.
It's why there exists the Queen Bee syndrome.
Why they're whoa, you the reaction, this guy is a Nazi.
The readers of Slate.com cannot believe Slate published this.
They cannot believe this guy wrote this.
They are dumbfounded, they cannot they're they're beside themselves.
They are a gog.
They are aghast.
Well, this of women and men too.
I mean, it's you know a female female liberal, male liberal, what's the difference?
Including anatomically.
But I mean, no, they're there.
Here's one.
Dear Slate editors, as a longtime reader of your site and scientist, I am very disappointed in your decision to publish the article, women are chokers.
I am furthermore amazed that Steven Landsberg, who got his PhD from the University of Chicago.
An economic school famous for its mathematical rigor would be taken inside such amateurish scholarship.
And he goes on, and but some are not as uh civilized as that response.
Some of them responding like the guy's a conservative on a conservative blog and they're writing at the Daily Cause or Democratic Underground or what have you.
Moving on, ladies and gentlemen, here with our lifestyle stack isn't this fun.
How many of you have been raised to believe it's sports builds character, that there are life lessons in sports?
I was one who was raised that way.
I happen to believe it to be true, but conventional wisdom, according to a new survey, is wrong.
It suggests that U.S. high school athletes cheat more than classmates who don't play sports.
Two-year study of Haskrul athletes, conducted by the Josephson Institute of Ethics in L.A., I'm sure we've all heard of the Josephson Institute of Ethics.
Also found growing acceptance of cheating as a way to gain competitive advantage, according to the LA Times.
Did you know that cheating is new in our society, folks?
It never used to happen until the Josephson Institute of Ethics began studying it.
Michael Josephson, a president, founder of the Josephson Institute of Ethics in Los Angeles, told the LA Times that the report, which was based on interviews with over 5,000 Haskrul athletes across the fruited plain, found that many coaches are teaching our kids to cheat and to cut corners.
There is reason to worry that the sports fields of America are becoming the training grounds for the next generation of corporate and political villains and thieves.
Said Michael Josephson of the Josephson Institute of Ethics.
What a naive boob.
I would like to know his definition of cheating.
Uh at any rate, this is this is just preposterous.
I don't I don't think sports.
The headline here, sports may not build character.
That's that's crazy.
But in addition to that being crazy, sports has given us a few characters, many of them on display at All-Star Weekend in Las Vegas for the NBA.
But anyway, you know what this is?
This is an attempt to tear down the institution of sports competition as a as a way of learning life lessons never quitting, getting accustomed to things not going your way, that there's more in you than you think you have.
All of these great life lessons are now coming under assault because the victors, the winners, are being categorized and characterized as cheaters.
And they will end up being the next corporate and political villains.
Moving along in our valuable lifestyle stack today, why praise can be bad for kids.
After a decade, maybe even more, of all that self-esteem crap in the schools, we have produced kids who have not learned to try, according to this story.
Uh this is uh uh in fact, HR, I want you to find something.
We got a uh a uh substitute broadcast engineer today.
Ed, you may have trouble finding this.
We have a we have a PSA, we did this long ago of a teacher talking to a student who doesn't know anything, but whatever answer he gives, the teacher says, right, little Johnny, what's too Okay, see if you can find that.
Uh, because it dovetails perfectly with this story, because we've had a decade.
We have a decade of this self-esteem garbage.
You must never say anything negative to your children.
You must always praise them.
If two plus two equals five, and they think it's five, then that's what it is until they learn these four, because we will not humiliate them.
Now all of a sudden, specific praise can be good, but too much praise can bring down kids' performance.
Wow, you got an A without even trying.
Your drawing is wonderful.
You're my little Picasso.
Keep it up, and you'll be the next Peyton Manning.
If you're like most parents, you offer praise to your kids, believing it's the key to their success.
Those flattering words can boost a child's self-esteem and performance, but according to a news study, praise may do more harm than good.
For the study, researchers divided 128 fifth graders into groups.
Gave them a simple IQ test.
One group was told it did really well, must be very smart.
The other group was told it did not do really well.
Uh uh, wait a minute.
The okay, good, Ed, hang on.
The other one group was told it did really well, they must be very smart.
The other group was told it did very uh really well and must have worked hard, and one group was praised for intelligence, the other for effort.
Asked if they wanted to take a slightly harder test, the kids praised for their intelligence were reluctant.
Of those praised for their effort, 90% were eager for a more challenging task.
And on a final test, the uh effort group performs significantly better than the group praised for its intelligence.
Many of the kids who had been labeled smart perform worst of all.
The hard workers got the message they could improve their scores by trying harder, but the smart kids believe they should.
What is new about this?
What in the world is new about this?
This is nothing more than than good old-fashioned motivation.
But we've been told for the last ten years can't criticize, must build their self-esteem.
This is how we immortalize that in a typical EIB network parody.
This has been going on for years.
That that parody dates back to the uh early nineties.
And we're getting close to the mid-2010s here.
Or mid-2000s.
Uh we're beyond the mid-2000s.
At uh at any rate, uh, now you can praise your kid the wrong way, and you can give too much praise.
Uh here's a here's a classic line here.
Her surprising this Carol Dweck, by the way, was the uh researcher here, Stanford University, professor of developmental psychology.
Her surprising research, which she has repeated with hundreds of children from all socioeconomic backgrounds, was published recently in the journal Child Development.
Instructions for parents are to be specific about praise.
Don't be afraid to withhold it.
The key is to be specific.
Parents should praise children for their effort, their concentration, their strategies.
Now don't do well, you can praise them for their achievements, but don't praise them for being smart.
Don't tell them they're smart because you're gonna have to because if they're stupid, they're gonna get lazy.
But see, this is a problem.
You start praising people for their effort, and they're gonna start working harder than other people are, and they're gonna create a disparity, and the harder workers are gonna make lazy sloths look bad, and the cycle's gonna repeat.
The hard workers will be penalized.
We'll be back after this.
Stay with us.
You haven't talked about this scooter libby trail.
What do you think of the scooter libby trail?
Well, I think the trial's a joke.
I mean, I could spend a lot of time on it.
Uh I don't even call it the scre scooter libby trial.
I call it the Viagra Cialis La Vitra trial.
Well, I mean, you know those warnings about uh if an erection should last longer than four hours, call the doctor, go to the emergency.
This trial is arguably the longest erection in drive-by media history.
And it's over something that is purely bogus.
And Byron York today, writing at uh National Review Online, points out that in closing arguments yesterday, Fitzgerald pointed the finger at Dick Cheney.
And I have always known that Cheney was the target of this.
I think this is purely personal.
I think this guy got the case, found that there was no case, and and just didn't have the gust to say there's nothing here, and and I've never understood this guy, never questioning anything Joseph Wilson ever said to him.
I don't know that Wilson has ever been put under oath.
I mean, it it it the the the just overlooking Wilson's flat out lies.
Uh prosecutor willing to skirt past all the other witnesses who had serious memory losses and yet embracing their failed memories all to target Libby.
It just it just what worries me about this is this is a DC jury.
And the odds that you're gonna have a lot of people in that jury that hate the Bush administration are pretty good.
Uh I I have no clue how this is going to turn out.
I guess hung jury is the best thing to be hoped for unless this jury just concludes that no witness could remember anything they said.
And why in the world is Libby being singled out for this?
Uh Chuck in Shreveport, Louisiana.
I'm glad you called, sir.
Nice to have you with us on the program.
Hi, Rush.
Thanks for having me.
You bet.
Listen, I want to step back to the uh the to the uh uh rumspelled McCain flap just real quickly.
Yeah.
Um give it give you a little bit of context.
I'm a retired military officer.
I retired last summer, uh, so I saw a lot of this on the inside.
Um in the 1990s, uh, Democratic president and a Republican Congress complicitly destroyed the military in that they cut our army from twenty divisions down to ten.
That was the army.
Wait, oh in the nineties, you said.
So you're talking about Bill Clinton.
Let's name names here.
Well, I'm talking about yes, Bill Clinton and I I'm a conservative Republican right winger, but a Republican Congress allowed him to do it.
They cut the army.
So everyone that was in power in those times, as far as I'm concerned, should answer for this about why these guys are having to go back over there two and three times.
That is the small army that Rumsfeld inherited.
Okay.
And so, you know, it I I think it's a little bit disingenuous for you for Senator McCl uh for uh for Senator McCain to point fingers like this.
At the same time, Mr. Rumsfeld um, you know, was not Lily White of his owner.
You look back what he did in the 70s when he was the sect F under uh under Ford, he began a massive drawdown, and he brought that same mentality to the service.
Well, I think something about Rome the word I heard was that it wasn't trying to modernize the force.
Uh well, yes, but but they they had the idea that you could modernize instantly and cut all the people.
And and I think he was headed down that path when nine eleven when when when when nine-11 happened.
He's taking the Air Force down that path right now.
That's what he's got started in the Air Force.
The airport was a very good thing.
So you agree with McCain that Rumsfeld sucks.
No, I I'm not sure I would say he sucks, but I but I would say big mistakes were made on both sides.
But I think the biggest mistakes were our elected leaders in the 90s, with Mr. Clinton at the lead and all of the all of the Democratic and Republican leaders that allowed our army and our marines to be cut.
I really can't disagree with that.
Clinton and his pal, we loathe the military.
We loathe it.
As for Republican complicity in this, there's no question there had to be some of it, but uh I'd have to go back and look.
I don't know that uh the Republicans were strong enough to override a presidential veto on some of this stuff.
And remember we had a peace dividend and all this stuff.
We're gonna go, you know, sing Kumbayabi happily ever after and have never have any conflicts in the rest of the world again.
I've got to run, take a break because sadly we're out of busy broadcast time, and I can't do a fourth hour because I gotta do an interview with the BBC about what is it?
I don't even remember.
Back in just a second.
Time flies here, fast as three hours in media, and we don't have any left.
We had to go, but we'll be back tomorrow, revved up for whatever is out there that we have to deal with.
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