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Nov. 28, 2006 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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November 28, 2006, Tuesday, Hour #2
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Thank you and welcome back to the Rush Limbaugh program here at the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies.
Our day continues, our relentless pursuit of truth.
Look, you know that the President is in Riga Latvia.
He's talking to NATO about more troops into Afghanistan.
You know that the uh study group, the Iraq Study Group, former Secretary of State uh Baker is uh heading up uh with uh people who are going to you know the wise people of our society are going to try to uh uh extricate uh Mr. Bush now from the failure of Iraq and the major media describes it that way every single day.
Iraq, of course, is not a failure, but that's a long story.
The question I think before the House today is, okay, so now what do we do?
What should George Bush do?
Uh in the wake of uh the obvious unhappiness of the American repo uh American public with regard to the uh the the Iraq war and other things and the uh thumping that we took at the polls in the Republican Party.
What should the President do now in Iraq?
And I think that's the proper focus of the debate.
Well, San Diego Congressman, Chairman of the Armed Services Committee and uh potential presidential candidate himself, Duncan Hunter, Congressman, welcome to the program.
Roger, great to be with you.
Tell me if you if you were if you were out there now advising the president, I think you've even sent him a letter in this regard.
What would you advise him to do in Iraq?
Well, uh I sent him another uh another communication through his uh national security folks yesterday to the team that's over there.
But uh right now, Roger, we've got uh we've we've trained a hundred and fourteen Iraqi battalions, and you know, we're in what I would call the second phase of the same three-step process that we've used for sixty years to stand up free governments, whether you're talking about Japan or the Philippines or El Salvador in our own hemisphere, and that is that we stand up a free government, number one.
Number two, we stand up a military that's capable of protecting that government, and number three, the Americans leave.
And right now we're standing up the military.
We've got 114 Iraqi battalions that are trained and equipped.
And of the eighteen uh provinces that constitute Iraq, in nine of those provinces, in half of those provinces, there's basically uh uh no contact happening.
You have less than one attack per day taking place.
So you've got very peaceful parts of Iraq, and you've got some places like the Baghdad area uh that are very hot right now with respect to combat.
My recommendation to the President uh is to uh make sure that of those hundred and fourteen Iraqi battalions that we've trained and equipped, uh we've got thirty-three of them that are in areas where nothing's taking place, and my recommendation is to saddle those troops up.
Uh they all uh they've all been trained and they're being paid by the American taxpayers, and it will help them.
It will develop them into a mature military force to rotate them into combat.
So before we decide uh whether we're gonna take our troop levels up or down, let's get all of the Iraqis that we've trained into the operation.
Let's take those uh thirty-three battalions from the peaceful areas, move them into Baghdad, move them into the Sunni Triangle, and uh and let's see how much of that burden uh they can uh they can carry.
Duncan Hunter, Congressman Hunter with us.
Now, uh uh Duncan, th that sounds logical to me.
Uh probably sounds logical to a lot of people.
Uh if it isn't happening, why isn't it happening?
Well, I suspect you uh when they put together the Iraqi forces, they assigned them areas of operation and and uh and an area of operations can be a very peaceful province, or it can be a province where a lot of uh military contact is taking place.
Uh right now uh you've got uh most of the fighting uh concentrated in the Sunni Triangle and of course in the Baghdad area.
So probably originally these uh they were they spread them out because that's what you do with military forces.
You you assign them areas of operation.
There probably may uh is also some resistance from these from the Sunnis and the uh in the government right now, who I think uh uh probably in some quarters don't want to have an army which is primarily Shiite in the Sunni neighborhoods.
They'd rather have American forces in there.
Uh but we just we simply have to to push that aside.
If the Iraqi uh the Iraqi military is key to this operation, in fact it's the factor upon which everything else depends right now.
That's to have a have a military that's capable of defending that government.
And when we get it stood up, uh, as we've done for the last sixty years around the world, the Americans can come home.
And And I would not describe this operation as a failure.
I think it's a long, tough, difficult operation.
And Roger, I I think the point is that there's no easy road uh to changing the Middle East, but this is going to be the most important effort that's been that's been made to change that part of the world for the last fifty years.
I think we're going to succeed.
Duncan Hunter with us.
Now, uh again, uh Duncan, uh do you think the Bush administration has the political capital to weather this kind of lame duck status for the next couple of years, to weather the results of the election, to implement this kind of a policy or any policy that looks to actually successfully winning this war, or you know, because the national media, the international media, all of the elites, uh the United Nations, everywhere else, they're all saying this is a failure.
Uh we've got some way to get the Americans out of there.
They're causing the violence.
Uh uh the uh Iran is uh is now in bed with the uh our our president here, Maliki of Iraq uh that uh that does that government we're trying to stand up uh basically is over there meeting in Tehran today with this guy who hates uh the U.S., Britain, Israel, everybody else.
Th this doesn't look good to a lot of Americans for those reasons.
Roger, we've been here before.
Uh we I was here in uh in the the nineteen eighties when when uh President Reagan stood up to the Russians in Western Europe and when the Russians ringed our allies in Central Europe with SS twenty missiles and he started to move in the ground launch cruise missiles and Pershing twos, you had liberal America going nuts.
Uh they said this is going to be World War III.
Ronald Reagan's starting it right now.
He has to acquiesce to the Russians, but he hung tough, he stood up to the Russians, and at some point they picked up the phone and said, Let's talk.
And we dissembled the Soviet Empire, and we freed Roger, not a million people, not ten million people, but hundreds of millions of people through a policy of peace through strength.
And in our own hemisphere in Central America, you can recall the days when they said El Salvador was going to be the next Vietnam, and we had to leave immediately.
But we provided a a shield, a military shield for that fragile government.
We stood it up, and today El Salvador and troops stand side by side with us in the Middle East.
So bringing bringing freedom to the world and various parts of the world is not easy.
It's not a smooth road.
Uh and what we have to have the one quality that's pretty tough for Americans to have sometime, and that's patience and endurance.
I think that this president can uh can hang in there.
And I I think incidentally the Democrats think of Iraq as a hot potato.
They don't know what to do, and I think they're they're more than willing to let this president succeed or fail in Iraq.
But he's a commander-in-chief, he's got the reins, and incidentally, he has the reins, not this study group, and we shouldn't evolve uh the leadership of America's armed forces to a group or a committee.
He's a commander in chief.
Uh he needs to hang in there, and we need to finish up this stand-up of the Iraqi forces.
When we do that, I think they're going to be able to hang in there.
Duncan Hunter with us from Washington, D.C., the chairman of the Armed Services Committee, Congressman from uh my area and a good friend.
Now, Duncan, I appreciate everything you're saying, but uh and and and I agree with you.
Uh is this president going to do it in your judgment?
Yeah, I think he is.
Uh I I think uh one of George Bush's great qualities is uh is uh tenacity.
And I think he's gonna hang in there.
He's got a uh he's obviously got a uh uh Congress now that's uh that's uh dominated by the other party, they're gonna take a lot of hit a lot of shots at him.
Uh they'll shoot a lot of times and they'll make a few hits.
Uh but uh but I again, Roger, I think that the the Democrats who have no clue uh about spreading freedom in this world, they're always the get out and out party.
Uh I think they're more than willing to leave uh to leave the leadership of Iraq to the President of the United States because they don't know what to do.
Uh and and uh I think they feel that it is going to be a failure and they want to pin it on him.
I think it's gonna be a success.
And incidentally, uh the troops that we've got over there standing up these Iraqi forces right now are doing a superb job.
Uh they've got uh we've got a higher quality military, I think, than we've ever had.
And the forces that are actually in the thickest fighting, the American forces, have the highest reenlistment rates.
So they're hanging in there.
They think this mission is winnable.
I think we need to support them.
Duncan Hunter, uh, let me switch topics on you now That I've got you.
Uh a Mississippi Democrat named uh Congressman uh named Benny Thompson is scheduled to take over the House Homeland Security Committee after the first of the year as part of the Democrat takeover of the House of Representatives.
And uh I've got some miscon I I've got some real bad feelings about this guy and the border.
You represent the border and have been a champion for border security since your first days as a congressman.
Uh what what are we looking forward to here in Benny Thompson?
Well, you know, I saw Benny's remarks that he doesn't like the border fence idea.
Well, we've now we've now passed something called a law.
And and and incidentally, Roger, uh, I wrote that law, and it's the same law that we wrote for the San Diego border fence during the Clinton administration.
We said you shall build a border fence, and we didn't say it's a goal or a or something we want to work toward or a suggestion.
We said you shall build.
The administration shall build the border fence, and under that mandate, we forced the Clinton administration to build the double fence in San Diego that is that has been superb, that has worked very well, as you know, knock down the smuggling of people and narcotics by more than 90 percent.
We put exactly the same language in the bill, which is now the law that the president signed that extends the San Diego border fence some 700 miles across Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas, and it doesn't say that it's a goal or a suggestion that Benny Thompson can wave off or anybody else can waive off.
It says it shall be done.
So I think uh I I've been in to see the Department of Homeland Security, talked to them.
They, of course, uh would like to see a virtual fence in some places, and I think that's uh virtually the wrong thing to do.
Uh virtual fences don't work when you have lots of people coming across in very, very uh uh short periods of time.
We need to have that double fence.
But the law's in place, Roger, and and we're gonna ensure that the uh that the administration's feet are held to the fire on this one.
We're gonna build that fence.
Duncan Hunter, I appreciate your time.
Duncan Hunter, the chairman of the Armed Services Committee, a congressman from our area here in San Diego, thanks for joining us.
Hey, Roger, thanks so much.
See us there.
All right.
There we go.
Let's take a break.
Duncan Hunter with more sense in uh the last nine minutes than I've heard out of Congress and the other four hundred and uh thirty-four members.
How about you?
I'll take your calls at one eight hundred, two eight two two eight eighty two after this.
Roger Hedgecock in for Rush Limbaugh taking your calls in one eight hundred two eight two two eight eighty two.
Now, uh Duncan Hunter in the previous segment, the Congressman chairman of the Armed Services Committee, at least till uh the Democrat uh takeover, uh Democrat Party take over of the House in January, uh uh raised a red flag about Benny Thompson, the uh Democrat uh congressman from Mississippi, who is in line to become chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee.
Now, not only has uh Benny Thompson come out against the fence and in favor of the virtual fence.
Uh Benny, if I may be so bold as to address you by your first name, um, because I know down in Mississippi, that's probably the way you're known as Benny.
Uh Benny, uh look, the day you put in a virtual security system at your House office building, I'll believe you about the border.
Because right now you have a physical boundary that I have to go through as an American citizen and taxpayer who paid for the building.
Okay, well, maybe it's maybe a brick.
Uh that that I have to go a physical barrier I have to go through.
Armed guards, uh uh the uh the whole search thing before I can enter the building where you, my representative working for me, have an office.
Now, as soon as you have a virtual security system at that office building, I'll believe you about the border.
Here's what's worse about Benny Thompson.
Here's what's worse.
The Department of Homeland Security has proposed guidelines.
This happened back in June, concerning what are called no match letters from the Social Security Administration.
Now let me tell you where I'm coming from here.
I believe the fence alone does nothing.
Uh I'm in agreement with people who criticize the fence alone as some kind of magic wand.
It isn't.
We need the fence for border security, we need the fence for the border patrol to be effective.
Don't get me wrong about that either.
But in addition to the fence, we also need to let employers know that if they employ illegal aliens and they know they're illegal aliens, they're going to jail.
I believe employer sanctions, the part that was never enforced out of 1986 out of the Reagan law.
Uh We got the amnesty, we didn't get the employer sanctions.
That's what's caused the 20 million more illegals to move in since then.
And believe me, uh we need workers.
I'm in favor of immigration.
I'm in favor of legal immigration, and our economy and our society benefits from it.
We are disastrously adversely affected by illegal immigration in a hundred different ways, and I'm absolutely opposed to it and it's got to come to a stop.
So the way you do it is you tell employers, and this is what the Bush administration finally proposed, you know, six years in, they said, okay, look, uh, you're gonna well five and a half years in, you're going to, as a as an employer, you're gonna check with Social Security.
If they send you a no match letter indicating that your applicant to be hired has given you a Social Security number that does not match that name or that person, and uh, you know, ninety-nine, nine hundred and ninety-nine out of a thousand times, that means that person is illegally in the United States, and they bought that social security number uh at Perching Park in Los Angeles for fifteen dollars.
Okay.
This is the way it works in the real world.
Those things are for sale.
They're for sale in every community in this country.
But when that person gets to the employer and says, Here's my name, here's my number, and that employer uh does the uh there's a pilot program that's now being expanded to make a quick check, just like they check your credit card when you're making a purchase to make sure that that credit card is good and it's you and all that stuff.
Um, they check.
Now here's Benny Thompson.
Benny Thompson says, wait a minute.
Uh in a letter to Cintos Corporation, um, that it could be charged with illegal activities in violation of state and federal law if any of its thirty-two thousand employees are terminated because they gave incorrect social security numbers to be hired.
Benny Thompson is saying it's discrimination.
If you dare to use that no match letter to not hire or to fire a person that you have hired because you're afraid of getting in uh bad uh, you know, with the the federal government over having an illegal alien working for you.
If you actually follow that rule, says Benny Thompson, you could be charged with illegal activities if you dismiss the person.
Now imagine employers now.
Imagine employers caught between a rock and a hard place, caught between trying to, okay, we'll verify the social security numbers, we'll go along with that.
Uh we don't want illegal alien workers any more than anybody else does, uh, and maybe some of them do, and they ought to be go uh going to jail, but most employers don't if they have a uh uh a simple way to go ahead and verify that this person is who he says he is, or she says he she is.
So Benny Thompson says, Oh, no, no, no.
If you discriminate, if you use that no match letter not to hire that person or fire them, then you're gonna be subject to these uh anti-discrimination laws.
So Benny Thompson has now thrown a major wrench into the at long last enforcement of employer sanctions by the Bush administration.
Five and a half years coming, and now Benny Thompson, scheduled to uh head up as chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, is saying, No.
You could get in trouble now.
Yikes uh lus uh uh ladies and gentlemen, we need in this country a firm policy to tell employers no, you are not going to exploit illegal aliens, pay them under the table, which uh sixty percent of uh the illegals are paid under the table, for example, in LA, according to a study.
Uh you're not gonna avoid the system, you're not gonna violate all our laws, you're not gonna do it in the name of uh cheaper workers, which throws Americans out of work.
You're not going to do all that.
You're going to have to verify people who are hired uh who claim that social security number.
By the way, this is a huge problem.
We found in Washington, D.C. that the no match letters that have been going out indicate that there are over uh twelve million people filing their W-2s with Social Security numbers that do not match uh that particular name.
And of course, the federal government is benefiting.
Here's the dark underside of this whole thing.
They're benefiting because they're getting the employer deduction for Social Security, and maybe if there's actually a check, uh the employee deduction as well, knowing full well they'll never have to pay out because it's a fraudulent uh Social Security match between the number and the person.
Is that the way they're trying to extend the life of Social Security now through these ill on the backs of illegal aliens?
That's not right either.
So, ladies and gentlemen, let's not forget that the death toll for our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan lumped together is lower than the death toll of Americans killed every day by illegal aliens.
Statistics uh produced uh by uh World Net Daily in their uh in their in their service.
These are the kinds of things that I hope on this program, the relentless pursuit of truth will get us to logical conclusion.
And Betty Thompson, you're on notice, pal.
This is not going to fly.
I'm Roger Hedgecock in for rush, back after this.
One of the election results from this recent election that the uh drive-by media does not want you to even think about occurred in Michigan, where a measure on the ballot uh Proposition uh two won, even though it was opposed by well,
the leaders of the Democratic and Republican parties, the labor unions, the Catholic Church, major media outlets, the University of Michigan, former Secretary of State Colin Powell, uh Senator Barack Obama, and a whole bunch of other folks, and uh Proposition Two won.
The proponent is Ward Connorly, and he's here to tell us how he beat all those folks.
Hi, Ward.
Hi, Roger.
How are you?
I'm doing well, thank you.
You're doing very well.
Tell me about Prop Two.
What would it what would it do in Michigan and why do you think now the rest of the country ought to pay attention?
Well, proposal two would um will do the same thing in Michigan that it did in California and the state of Washington, and that is to prohibit preferential treatment on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, and national origin in the public areas of employment contracting and uh college uh public uh employment contracting and um uh and education.
The as you indicated, the measure was opposed by virtually every segment of the Michigan establishment.
But I think that the one thing that came through loud and clear is that when the American people are presented with an issue in clear terms, we can trust the collective wisdom of of the people.
This initiative is almost identical to the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which guarantees equal treatment under the law for every person.
It is one that uh was passed, uh I think we said fifty-eight to forty-two.
That's no squeaker.
That was a landslide.
Uh, given the fact that the governor is a liberal democrat, the state is has many liberal tendencies, but Michigan um is also the state that coined the phrase Reagan Democrats.
And I think we begin to see some of that, Roger, with this election.
What it portends for the rest of the nation, I believe, is the fact that uh if we put the issue of race preferences or affirmative action, call it what you will, or diversity programs.
If we put it to a vote of the people, it's gonna fail every time.
And um my belief is that coming before an anticipated decision of the Supreme Court next spring on these uh two cases in Seattle and then Louisville, Kentucky, involving the use of race in school placement.
Uh I think we're witnessing the end of an era.
I think that in a very short period of time, if we could get three to four more states to join California and Michigan and Washington State, I think that this thing will fall like a house of cards.
One of the things that was also reassuring to me was that until now we didn't have a national movement to fight those like the NAACP and Jesse Jackson and Sharpton and the others.
This time we did.
And I think that's largely due to George Will, who wrote a very critical article on our behalf, a critical of the racial thugs as he called them, and Dusty Rhodes and National Review.
Those people really helped us to mount an effective letter writing campaign and foot soldiers to go out and make our case that race preferences are morally wrong.
They harm they harm the state.
So it's a very, very big victory for us uh in the state of Michigan.
Ward Connorly with us.
Uh I often describe myself as a mutt because of a variety of backgrounds of my ancestors.
Uh Ward Mr. Connorly, uh it you should know, uh, is a uh African American, a Native American, and a Caucasian uh in his heritages.
And is uh is you know, Ward, I think you represent the new America, because as a result of uh people uh doing what people will do in choosing mates and so forth, we have a situation in which uh an increasing minority might be a majority of the population has a little bit of everybody's race running through their veins.
That's precisely the case.
The melting pot has melted, and it's boiling over.
And uh, all of this blather about diversity is so nonsensical because we are naturally diverse, and if we're just left to our own devices, that diversity will manifest itself at every venue of American life.
Where next are you going to try to you mentioned three or four states?
Are you going to try to uh take this message and allow the voters again to have a say on this, uh basically uh telling the liberals that the hypocrisy of affirmative action violates their own often stated rule of uh getting rid of discrimination on the basis of skin color.
Well, Dusty and I had a conversation last night about this very point, and we're going to be very cautious and very strategic about deciding which states.
Uh the ones that we're looking at right now are Oregon, Colorado, uh Utah is pretty far down the list, Arizona, Nevada, South Dakota, Missouri.
Uh we're looking at all of those, and I would like to see a super Tuesday, if you will, on uh in on election day in two thousand and eight.
If we get a critical mass of eight or nine states under our belt, where the voters are saying we don't want to use race to make decisions about who wins and who loses and the contest of American public life, then I think that the the Congress, which has been slow to respond, presidents, Democrat and Republican have been slow to respond.
Legislatures won't touch this with a ten foot poll.
Uh but I think that we can, in fact, inspire the courts to do what it must what it must do, and that is to end this era of treating American citizens differently on the basis of their race or skin color.
Ward Connerly on the Rush uh Limbaugh program.
Um Ward, uh, it's ten years since Proposition uh two hundred nine that you mentioned before.
Uh you've been after this for a long time, this idea that we ought to really finally make our commitment to a colorblind society to the idea that no one gets ahead or behind because of the uh color of their skin or their ethnic uh background.
209 is now under attack, as you know it was it's constantly uh a controversial out here in California, because this state initiative that banned using racial preferences for public university admissions as well as state uh of California hiring and contracting.
It's the it's the university that continues to foment where you were for twelve years a regent of the University of California.
Uh there is now a hue and cry about the number of Asian American students.
There's too many Asians getting into the University of California.
This is ridiculous.
Yeah.
You know, the the culture at the University of California among too many administrators at San Diego and Los Angeles and Berkeley is that it's it's just not right to use academic standards for admission to an academic institution because that gives an unfair advantage to Asians.
Um that's the logic that they employ.
Logic and quotes.
And then as Ronald Reagan once said, uh, I don't care if every seat is taken by an Asian if they've earned the right to be there.
And I think that we're going to have to reinforce that point.
The weakness of our movement, if you will, is that we won the election and we sort of uh washed our hands and said we will sue in courts, but we did not try to reinforce the importance of that victory to the people of the state.
I have no doubt that if the election were held today, 209 would pass again.
And I don't think that the beard and sandal crowd at uh Berkeley is going to be able to overturn this.
But I think we do need to mount a defense and to explain to people why it is so morally wrong to be trying to punish uh Vietnamese and low-income Asian kids uh Chinese kids for excelling in academics.
We need to make sure that blacks and whites and Latinos measure up to the same standard.
Uh you see is not discriminating against them.
It is simply saying these are the standards, and Asians are studying hard and and winning the competition.
Ward Connolly, uh one of my heroes, ladies and gentlemen, and uh you can tell that just by the way he talks.
I I am uh thrilled to hear you're gonna carry this as many years as you've uh uh uh uh through uh uh good times and bad through good health and bad, by the way, Ward Connerly has carried on this uh uh this mission to carry out the civil rights dream of the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty-four to to to achieve that colorblind society, which of course puts the race baiters like uh Jesse Jackson and others out of business, doesn't it?
It does.
It does, and that's what we're fighting right now.
We're fighting an industry that doesn't want to let go.
They're like the old segregationists of the South, affirmative action forever.
And uh the I I smell the gold line, though.
I think that we are close to the end here, and I think that the people are firmly on our side with this.
We just now need to muster the courage to go the rest of the way.
I I think it's another twenty yards and we can win this thing.
Ward Connerly, now uh do you have a website where people listening to the program can get more information about what you're doing?
It is under reconstruction, but it is uh all those W's A C R I dot org.
ACRI.org.
All right.
American Civil Rights Institute.org.
ACRI.org.
All right, Ward Connerly, stand by.
I'm gonna take a short break and then we'll be back with callers for Ward Connerly and the Colorblind Society, the Civil Rights Act envisioned, blocked now by the affirmative action uh professional racists uh like Jesse Jackson.
That's where we are in this country.
What do you think?
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Roger Hedgecock in for rush back after this.
Roger Hedgecock in for Rush uh interviewing Ward Connerly, uh one of my great heroes, a uh businessman, uh a uh regent of the University of California, and he brought uh ten years ago to the uh uh voters of California, this blue uh b bluest of blue states, uh proposition uh two hundred nine.
Uh we voted uh unanimously, not unanimously, but in yark large majority to say no, no, no, no.
The idea, the ideal is that you don't have racial preferences in either way, either uh discriminating against or discriminating for anybody on the basis of their uh skin color, that we are uh, in a word, uh a Tiger Woods nation and not a Martin Luther King Jr. nation.
We've moved on.
Uh and uh the point being that continuing affirmative action has no place in a world where you're trying to strive for a colorblind society, a society based on merit, regardless of skin color, and uh Ward Connerly has been with us.
Ward, I'm I'm inspired even listening to you, my friend.
Let's take some calls.
Here's Janice in Gross Point, uh, Michigan.
Uh uh Janice, hi, welcome to the program.
Hello there.
You're on with Ward Connerly.
Mr. Connerly, um I uh really supported you.
I thank you for bringing us to Michigan, and I would just like to hear your comments and reactions to the president of U of M coming out saying uh uh, you know, she was going to fight uh for the University of Michigan.
Jonas, uh, after serving a twelve year sentence as a regent, um I can tell you that there are few people who are more arrogant than most university administrators.
I do believe, however, that the president of UM, Mary Sue Coleman, uh is posturing to a large extent.
Proposition two hundred nine went through every legal hurdle hurdle imaginable, and it survived every one of them all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.
So I don't think that they're going to file suit.
Instead, I think they're going to see if they can find some way to circumvent proposal two by holistic review or some other device.
But I don't think that uh they're going to mount the kind of campaign that she was talking about the day after the election when she had that press conference at the quad at UM.
I know that some of the alum, some of the very successful alum at UM, Bob Brown, who is a very good friend of mine and a strong supporter of proposal too, has made it very clear that his millions of dollars that he annually donates to the University of Michigan will not be forthcoming in the future if the president of the university continues to try to defy the will of the people.
The more and more that people get the courage to do what Bob is doing, then I think that will have a very chilling effect on uh the defiance that uh the president originally uh suggested.
Yeah, absolutely right.
Ward Connerly with us uh and now to Seattle, Washington, to the Hutch, Ken Hutcherson, former Dallas Cowboys, uh friend of Rush Limbaugh.
Hello, Hutch.
Hey, how are you guys doing today?
We're doing well.
Warren, thank you so much for being on today.
But you know, we got another problem up here in Seattle.
What's that?
We won that I 200 fight, you know.
I know, but we could lose uh with John Carlson and all the guys really leading that, and we did a great job.
Now bring us up to speed, Hutch.
What what what is that?
I 200.
What's that?
Same bill as uh 209 down in California.
All right, go ahead.
So what happened was last year they we we got uh backside here with the uh a whole new discriminatory law.
They passed 2661 up here to give homosexuals equal rights as African Americans.
So we got another fight on our hand, not just to say let's eliminate the quotas on all the uh African American quotas or anyone special rights.
Now they've turned around and come through the back door and say that homosexuals should have special rights.
Well, there is a movement afoot in many colleges to give gays and lesbians affirmative action.
Um one of the Ivy League institutions has been flirting with the idea of some sort of uh preference based on sexual orientation to achieve diversity.
I obviously oppose that.
I am not an I'm I'm not an opponent, however, of giving every American citizen, regardless of their sexual orientation, equal rights.
The government um has a duty, I believe, to treat every American citizen equally in the areas of public education, public contracting, and public employment.
There should not be discrimination against anyone by the government.
There should not be any preference for anyone by the government.
That is a moral position, I think, that if we take that and we defend that, then we are on very solid grounds.
But you're absolutely right, Hutch, that it's something we have to guard against in the sense that this diversity mantra can very well lead to the granting of special preferences on the base basis of sexual orientation to achieve that diversity.
It's wrong for the government to be empowered to uh manipulate people and their lives in the interest of this amorphous concept of diversity.
Ward Connorly, uh thanks so much for being with us today, and I sure appreciate your leadership.
And again, uh give us that website where people can go.
I know it's under construction, but I want them to write this down and get to you and help you out when you move to these other states.
Uh ACRI.org.
American Civil Rights Institute.org.
A C R I dot or G. Ward Connorly, God bless you.
Thanks for being with us.
Thank you, Roger, for all your help over the years.
Appreciate it.
Ward Connerly.
I'm Roger Hedgecock.
Uh let's take a short break on the Rush Limbaugh program.
Back with your call at 1 800 282 2882 after this.
Welcome back to the Rush Limbaugh program.
Roger Hedgecock in for Rush today at the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies, taking your calls at 1800-282-2882.
And uh let's take uh Joseph in Yonkers, New York, quickly here.
Hi, Joseph.
Welcome to the program.
I just want to uh say uh as a black male, as a his as a Hispanic male, that the idea of affirmative action is very insulting uh to say to people like myself that uh we need these kind of preferential treatment, uh, and uh it basically suggests that we can't learn.
You know, I'm glad you said that because if someone told me, listen, we're gonna get you ahead of the others, even though they have uh more uh going for a more merit than you do uh because of the color of your skin.
That would be my first instinct would be insulted.
Uh you mean I can't make it as well as other people with different colored skin.
What kind what what kind of crap is that?
Oh, yeah, it's it's a terrible message.
And uh actually uh uh when I was a school teacher, uh one of the messages that we uh I got, I'm here I'm getting my master's in education right now.
But one thing that they're telling us to do is to tell kids not to learn standard English, but to embrace slang and ebonics, uh, because it's part of their culture.
But i it's the same mentality of uh, you know, embrace these things that are gonna harm you instead of learning the things that are gonna actually help you have the skills to be able to achieve I mean doesn't address it doesn't need to address the real problem, which is a lack of education.
Yep.
Now, Joseph, I'm run I'm running out of time, Joseph, but let me reaff reaffirm what you just said.
In your master's program, they're telling you to allow kids to to talk that way.
No, they are they are uh uh almost opposing me from teaching standard English.
They're telling me to make sure that well, this is college professors, the c all the curriculum is designed to uh discourage.
Hey uh Joseph, Joseph, God bless you, and I'm glad you're a teacher and you keep it up, and I appreciate your call on the program.
I've just run out of time and up against the heartbreak.
We'll be back with much more.
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