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Aug. 22, 2006 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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August 22, 2006, Tuesday, Hour #2
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Last Tuesday, HBO's Real Sports with Bryant Gumble.
A portion of his closing remarks about the new incoming NFL commissioner, Roger Goodell.
Before he cleans out his office, have Paul Tagleyaboo show you where he keeps Gene Upshaw's leash.
By making the docile head of the players' union his personal pet, your predecessor kept the peace without giving players the kind of guarantees other pros take for granted.
Try to make sure no one competent ever replaces Upshaw on your watch.
Okay.
Now Caglie Boo is the one who has hired Bryant Gumble to do play-by-play of eight late season games on the NFL network starting on Thanksgiving night.
That game will be the Kansas City Chiefs and the Denver Broncos.
And to put this in perspective, let's go back to February of this year.
This is Bryant Gumble and a portion of his closing remarks on that same show.
The Winter Games.
Count me among those who don't like them and won't watch them.
In fact, I figure when Thomas Paine said these are the times to try men's souls, he must have been talking about the start of another winter Olympics.
Because they're so trying, maybe over the next three weeks, we should all try to.
Like try not to be incredulous when someone attempts to link these games to those of the ancient Greeks who never heard of skating or skiing.
So try not to laugh when someone says these are the world's greatest athletes, despite a paucity of blacks that makes the winter games look like a GOP convention.
All right.
Now, we clearly we can go back if we wanted to to the days that Bryant Gumble hosted uh the Today Show.
And we could find countless political comments, and we could find countless comments that that show a chip on his shoulder about race.
Now the comment here about uh about Gene Upshaw, Gene Upshaw, great uh offensive lineman for the great Oakland Raider teams back in the uh the 60s and 70s, and he's black.
He is the leader of the players' union in this business advising uh uh the new commissioner to keep the leash on Upshaw means that Upshaw is just a puppet.
He says he's just uh somebody that the owners can bend in shape and do whatever they want, that he's not his own man.
Uh and that's why the owners are allowed to screw the players and make more money and more money and more money.
Tagley Boo was asked about this.
Well, this may be one of the most uninformed comments I've ever heard, and they're gonna have a meeting uh at the uh at the NFL, the NFL network to determine whether or not Gumble should be uh kept on as the announcer, lead announcer for the games that the NFL network will do later in the season.
Tagleyaboo said, you know, I I think things that Bryant Gumble said about Gene Upshaw and the owners are about as uninformed as anything that I have have read or heard in a long, long time, and quite inexcusable because they are subjects about which you can and should be better informed.
Having looked at how other people have had buyers' remorse when they took jobs.
I guess they suggest to me that maybe Bryant's having buyers' remorse, and they call into question his desire to do the job and do it in a way that we in the NFL would expect it to be done.
Upshaw did not immediately return a call placed by the Associated Press.
So I guess, I mean, if I'm if I'm to interpret uh uh Commissioner Tagley Boo correctly, he thinks maybe up, maybe maybe Bryant Gumble doesn't want the job now.
Otherwise, why would he be talking this way?
Gumble, for his part, says, hey, I'm just a journalist.
When I see the story out there, I report it.
Come on, Bryant.
I mean, smart guy, this is not journalism, this is commentary, and it was so labeled, but don't call what you were doing journalism.
It's just at any rate, um I'm I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that Gumble will not be dismissed, that the NFL will not decide to uh take him off of their game coverage.
Uh no matter what he does.
Uh, it just won't happen.
Mark my words.
And if it does, I'll be the first eat crow and admit that um that I was wrong.
Interesting poll, Zogby poll published today in U.S. News and World Report and Washington Whispers section.
Sorry, Hillary and Big John, you might have missed your chance in 2000.
That's because a new that means McCain, not Carrie.
A new and innovative poll from John Zogby about 2008 presidential candidates finds Newt Gingrich way out in front of other Republicans like McCain and also finds moderates like Mark Warner way ahead of liberals like Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Now here's the unusual thing about the Zogby poll that has been released to Whispers in U.S. News, when questioning likely primary voters, only brief biographies, not names, were given.
In other words, voters pick the one with the most experience, the best experience.
Without her name recognition working for her, Clinton came in a miserable sixth out of ten.
Looks like the Democrats want to grab the middle, says Zogby.
Who says outside the Beltway Democrats lean moderate?
Surprises on the GOP side.
Harsh immigration critic Tom Tancredo ranks fourth, showing the power of the anti-immigration issue.
Now, is the poll important?
Well, this guy, uh Washington whispering, it's Paul Bedard that writes this is, yeah, it's important, big time.
In 1999, Zogby's blind BIOS poll identified Maverick McCain as a very attractive candidate in primary states long before he almost knocked off George W. Bush.
He didn't almost knock him off.
The Democratic order and percentage are this.
Warner, 14.8.
Wesley Clark, 14.2.
Oh, please.
Uh Russ Feingold, 12.2.
How can you say that the outside Beltway people are moderates?
Uh Evan Bye, 11.1.
The Breck Girl, John Edwards at 10.4.
Hillary Clinton at 5.6.
Bill Richardson, the governor of New Mexico, 5.3.
Uh, let's see, John Kerry at 4.9, Joe Biden at 2.8.
Here are the Republican rankings.
Gingrich at 21.4, McCain 13.3, Rudy at 11.2, Tancredo, 9.9, Hagel, 6.1, Mike Huckabee 5.8, Bill Frisk, 5.6, George Allen, 4.9, Sam Brownbeck 4.3, Mitt Romney 3.8, and Pataki 2.8.
Uh and so what again, this is a poll taken where voters, likely voters are not given names.
They are just given short biographies of the candidates and asked their preference.
And according to this, I mean, if you believe this, and you know that we here at the EIB network, very, very skeptical of polls.
But this doesn't appear to be a newsmaking poll, such as a presidential preference poll or approval rating poll like the drive-by media uh puts out each and every day.
If you believe this, uh you would have to say it's Newt Gingrich's to lose in 2008.
Not just the nomination, but the uh race for the White House itself.
All right, a brief timeout here.
My good friends will be back.
Lots more to go.
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Drive by media panicking, ladies and gentlemen.
President Bush's approval numbers up to 42%.
Drive Bay Media is panting.
There's a uh tropical storm.
I don't think it's a tropical storm.
You had a tropical depression.
If it becomes a hurricane, it will become a hurricane by Friday, probably.
It's uh Hurricane Debbie, still way out there off the coast of Africa.
And it's fascinating, too.
The hurricane center, if you read the discussions on this, they're disagreeing with their models.
Uh they're they're pointing out the models have been gloriously wrong all year in predicting the intensity and the direction, the path of these hurricanes.
They're all predicting a turn north and then northeast out to the open Atlantic before threatening any land.
Hurricane centers that we don't believe it, and they keep moving the track further south and west.
Um if it if it stays on the track it's on now, not forecast track, if it on the extrapolated track.
This thing's making a beeline for North Carolina.
Uh but they keep moving it.
It's way, way out there.
It's gonna be days before anybody has any clue uh what's really going to happen to it.
But I'll tell you, I wouldn't be surprised.
There's a high pressure ridge out there, and it's forecast to move east, and that's why the models say it's going to turn north.
Once a high pressure gets out of there, it'll turn north.
There are also some upper level westerlies that are threatening to come along and shear the top off this thing.
I I I'm gonna sit around I'm I'm just gonna be so amused if this thing fizzles out, and I just gonna see everybody's disappointment at the um at the opportunity for destruction not happening.
Drive by media totally occupied today with this pervert uh involved in the John Bene Ramsey case.
Uh it been cover breaking news.
John Mark Carr in court.
Breaking news.
John Mark Carr will not wave extradition.
Breaking news.
There is no news.
But at least it's got them sidetracked from destroying the war on terror, the war in Iraq, and criticizing President Bush.
All right, back to the uh back to the phones.
Alan Cell Phone, Michigan.
Nice to have you on the program, sir.
Hello.
Didtows from Dick DeVoff country in Michigan.
Thank you, sir.
Um, I'd like to go back about the uh topic about the lawsuit about the freebies.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Um That's at the baseball stadiums.
This is a guy, for you didn't for those of you who didn't hear it.
Um there there are guys out there suing major league baseball teams for having women-only giveaway days.
Saying it's discriminatory.
Yeah, I I I'm all for that lawsuit.
I just wish it were aimed at the federal government.
How so?
Well, uh, the federal government gets to give preferential treatment to people all the time, depending on race, creed, whatever, sex and uh, the private sector do that.
Well, people sue on that all the time.
There are constant lawsuits over preferential treatment, affirmative action.
That happens all the time.
Uh and and it's uh, you know, sometimes they win some, sometimes they lose some.
This, you know, I uh I I can understand the lawsuits of the federal government over affirmative action, and that affects real things.
I mean, that that affects who gets a job, who gets a promotion, who doesn't, who gets a contract uh to build some project.
That those are real who gets into school and who doesn't, based on the stupidest criteria.
Race, based on skin color, based on guilt, not based on merit.
I can understand those suits.
But these people, come on, get a life out there.
Suing professional sports teams are giving away pink caps to women only, women only giveaway days.
How many giveaway days are there for kids only?
Fourteen and under come in and they get whatever they get, a baseball bat, and you throw it on a field and you get thrown out.
Well, it's for the children, so what?
But where are the men?
The men get shafted.
Where's the but so what?
What's new about that?
Men pay the freight and get the shaft at the same time.
I I I just I'm gonna tell you you know what bugs me about this?
I'm gonna tell you what really bugs me about this.
I just have no patience for people in life looking for handouts, and for people in life looking for freebies.
And now we're talking about let me tell you what these things cost.
I have been in this business.
We did halter top day at Royal Stadium every summer, did it, three or four summers in a row.
It was innovative, and the guys didn't care, obviously.
We give out these little halter tops that uh said royals across the front.
The little blue halter tops, the women would get them as they come through the gates, they go to bathrooms, put them on, and uh it was a battle to watch the game that day.
TV cameras broadcasting the game showed more fan shots that day than any other game of the year.
And the men didn't care.
Uh and then enjoyed it.
It was a huge sellout every year, halter top day.
And uh women didn't come.
We had some we had some complaints from the Feminazis early on, but it didn't it didn't take.
But like any other promotion, it it gave itself away.
You know what those halter tops cost halters.
I mean, I shouldn't give this away.
But my gosh, folks, I mean you th the the whatever it was, batting helmet day or whatever, or or or bad day, it this it's peanuts.
I mean, the total cost for a giveaway day might be fifteen thousand dollars.
Which is which is not when you're giving away that many items.
Now these are prices from the uh late 70s and early 80s, and I'm sure they're higher now, no no question, everything everything is.
But this notion that you go to a baseball game and you expect some freebie, I this whole notion of I want something for nothing.
You are expected to give me some.
It really rubs me the wrong way.
And when it gets down to the brass tacks now of some people suing professional sports teams because they feel discriminated against.
Nobody's making you go there.
You don't have to go to the game that night.
You don't have to go to the game when are given women pink caps to wear.
You can go to the game any other night.
Nobody's forcing you to be there.
It's not like you have to have a job.
Well, take that back.
Depending on who you are, you don't have to have one of those either.
You'll be taking care of it.
But you get my drift.
Here is Jeannie in Boca Ratona, Florida, just down the road.
Nice to have you on the program.
Hello.
Hi, Rush.
Ditto's from Bubba Baboka.
Thank you.
After your comments about Altertops, I think my subject might be just a little droll, but I don't think so.
I don't think so.
I'm sure you can make it make it come alive, and let's not remember or not forget, Jeannie.
Boca is the home of this group of people.
I forget the acronym, but they couldn't get over Carrie's loss in 2004.
Yes.
I live in East Boca.
We're staunch conservatives.
Yes.
Staunch.
But I wanted to call you.
I've never called the show before.
I am, although I am a uh talk radio junkie.
I couldn't have agreed with you more finely.
Somebody said the right things about Joe Lieberman.
You are so right.
We have to keep beating that drum.
He's a liberal.
I respected that man so much when he first came out and he was introduced to the public during the uh campaign for the presidential and vice presidential election in 2000.
We all knew about his background, we learned his profile.
We thought he was just wonderful, squeaky clean.
And what did he do?
He fell in lockstep with a nut job named Al Gore.
Well, he had to.
I mean, that's part of the job if you accept the vice presidential nomination.
We're all talking about respect.
He's respect, he's got integrity.
Where was his integrity?
He he he he did exactly what Gore he sold himself.
So I never forgot that.
And when you finally said it today, it moved me.
I don't trust him.
I know he is strong on Israel, the Middle East issues.
I'm with him a hundred percent, but I'm not with him with other issues of the United States.
I'm glad that you uh I'm glad that you were reached.
I I love reaching people.
Um it it can it's something that never happened enough, and you've you've you've uh paid me a very powerful compliment, and I appreciate you.
I just wanted for people who didn't hear this.
Um I made a casual observation last hour that I notice a lot of Republicans supporting Lieberman, and I notice a lot of people saying great things about Lieberman, and I understand why.
I mean it's Lieberman is right on a war, and the war is the first and foremost thing, that and immigration on people's minds right now.
Uh and we got people in this country trend to undermine the war effort.
We actually have people who are doing their best to secure our defeat, and they are Americans or people in this country, not just outside.
And Lieberman's right on that.
Uh and we also see the Democrats uh being typically Democrats to him, they're kicking him out of party, they're trying to kick him when he's down, they're trying to keep him from winning this race as an independent.
And so the natural inclination is to support him, uh, and a lot of Republicans are, and the natural inclination is to befriend him.
I mean, here's a guy who's paying the ultimate price for standing with President Bush.
But can I give you a different perspective?
Joe Lieberman is such an oddity.
For those of you who, again, are are young and you don't have a lot of uh contextual history in your in your noggins.
Joe Lieberman is what all elected officials used to be during time of war.
Now he's the only one.
During World War II, you didn't see Republicans trying to sabotage FDR's efforts, same thing in Korea.
Uh uh Vietnam took a little while uh for that to bubble up.
But this is unique.
It used to be that politics stopped at the water's edge.
You can have all the disagreements you want over domestic policy.
When it came time, when America was attacked, when America's at war, everybody united behind That effort.
That is now out the window.
Joe Lieberman used to be what every Democrat was during a time of war, or vice versa.
Joe Lieberman's whatever Republican was during a Democrat president during time of war.
Now he's the only one, and because he's the only one, he stands out.
And so naturally the tendency is to embrace the guy and to buck him up and to support him because we need that vote on the war and so forth.
All I said last hour was don't forget one thing.
Aside from this issue, he is still a liberal.
And if he wins this seat as an independent, he's going to keep voting with Harry Reed and John Kerry and these guys on every other domestic issue other than the war, which is a foreign policy issue.
So you know, just don't fool yourself as to what's happening here.
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Now, admittedly, this is page six in the New York Post yesterday.
Osama bin Laden has more on his mind than just the destruction of the United States, the world's most wanted terrorist, is obsessed with Whitney Houston.
So much so that he's even mulled a hit on her hubby Bobby Brown.
Cola Boof, 37, the Sudanese poet and novelist, who claims to have once been bin Laden's sex slave, uh writes in her autobiography, Diary of a Lost Girl, expected uh in excerted in the September Harpers.
He told me Whitney Houston was the most beautiful woman he had ever seen.
Probably not a tough competition since most of the Arab women wear those burkas and cloths over their faces.
I mean, how who how many have ever seen?
You ever care about I wonder when the last time he saw Whitney Houston is uh this in order to make that uh judgment, she has she has some serious problems.
She's not looked good for a number of years.
You've got to hear these next audio sound bites.
We got Marvin Kalb here.
Now, Marvin Calb is a current commentator at the Fox News Channel.
Marvin Calb was in Washington yesterday.
There was a forum.
Media coverage of the Middle East conflict.
Now, Marvin Caleb is at the Schorenstein Center for whatever it is up at Harvard, teaches media.
Teaches journalism, I guess.
And he also worked at CBS and ABC.
And here is a first of three comments made by Marvin Calb, a Fox News contributor on the coverage of the Israeli Hezbollah.
Fox had a rather simple but direct attitude toward the war in Lebanon.
Hezbollah was wrong.
Israel was aggressed upon, and the United States ought to do what it could to help Israel.
CNN provided a much more, some may say sophisticated, certainly an elaborated sense of reality.
And CNN ended up toward the end of its coverage.
CNN began to use the word resistance, which really struck me as kind of interesting because that is the word that Hezbollah uses about itself.
This is unbelievable.
The it's fascinating.
It's fits it's interesting.
Let's talk about this.
The fact of the matter is that CNN was not more sophisticated.
CNN was just as straightforward too, Mr. Calb.
They were pro-Hesbo.
What is this?
This is classic.
They were more sophisticated.
Uh they were uh they have a more elaborated sense of real reality, Mr. Calb.
These are the people that admitted being escorted around by Hezbollah media relations people and told what to shoot, told what they couldn't shoot.
Uh once again, we find the uh illustration clear as a bell that with liberals, it's the fact that there's a good way and a bad way, a right way and a wrong way, but that's just too simplistic.
No, it's not sophisticated.
They think there's gotta be a nuanced area of gray in there.
And CNN got into the gray, and they covered it amazing.
This is a guy who works at the Fox News Channel.
Uh Now listen to this next one.
It used to be that we really felt that we would try as best we could to cover it objectively, to cover both sides, to be fair to both sides, to explain the policy of both sides.
Stop the tape here a minute.
Re-cued that.
I just remembered something else.
CNN was doing profiles on these Hezbollah people as their great social workers, social planners, builders of bridges, builders of roads, builders of schools.
And they were they were being no uh in no way inclined as such toward the Israelis.
I mean, the idea that they were more sophisticated, they were more duped.
Even if they're just willing dupes.
They were willing accomplices of the Hesbos.
If you could CNN and uh cable networks, but I mean the Hisbos were posing for pictures with corpses, and still photographers were in on the gag and reporting these pictures as though they were genuine when they were staged and maybe even not real in terms of content and time.
Uh and we but listen to this sophisticated elitist uh analyth of the sophistication of CMN versus the simplistic right and wrong hezbo bad Israel good.
This is what's wrong with modern-day liberals is they can't look at evil and see it.
They don't want to see it.
Uh anyway, here's here's the second cut from the uh from the top.
It used to be that we really felt that we would try as best we could to cover it objectively.
Stop the tape.
When?
When did this somebody name for me when the last it was in a war, it was World War II.
How many years ago is that?
We're talking 60 years ago, Mr. Kalb.
It used to be that we really felt that we were trying as best we could to cover it objectively, to cover both sides.
Here's the rest of this.
To cover both sides, to be fair to both sides, to explain the policy of both sides.
Stop the tape, stop the tape.
Well, I don't recall any of this being extended toward uh Hitler and the Nazis, trying to be fair to both sides, but yet we've got the modern equivalent of the Nazis operating today, and we've got to be fair, and we've got to be explanatory.
Uh we have to explain the policy of both sides.
Well, you don't explain the policy of both sides.
You don't explain the policy of bin Laden.
You don't explain the policy of Al-Qaeda or the Hezbows or any of these others.
You portray them as the oppressed.
You portray them as people with grievances, you portray them as victims and minorities.
They're victims of the big bad United States and its ally, the big bad Israel.
You always side with people you think are underdogs.
It's unfair that there are underdogs.
This is insulting to me, but I'm in a mood to be insulted.
So I'm going to keep listening.
Today, the media appears to be broken down into camps where Fox prides itself on being pro-America, pro-democracy, pro-freedom.
Stop the tape.
What's wrong with that?
What in the world is wrong with the whole notion of people who report the news being pro-country in which they live?
We're a great country.
This is an indictment.
He's issuing an indictment.
This is not good for journalism.
We're now broken down into camps.
Fox prides itself on being pro-America, pro-democracy, pro-free.
What's wrong with that?
Here's the rest of this.
It turns out that very conservative newspapers are pretty much the same way.
The New York Times, the Washington Post, other of the mainstream media today.
Again, try to do it down the middle.
Oh my God.
My God, I cannot believe this.
What is the phrase I get in my email?
Oh my god, I'm a gallery.
Oh I'm gonna go, oh my god.
The New York Times down the middle.
This is a guy, this is this is a good illustration of what's happening out there at our major institutions of so-called higher learning college campaign.
This guy's teaching, I think he's a teacher.
I don't know what he does.
He just shows up with the Schorenstein logo in the background when he shows up here to do his commentary on Fox.
So you've got you've got the conservative newspapers, and you've got um you've got Fox, pro-America, pro-freedom, pro-democracy.
And then you've got the New York Times, which is more mainstream.
Now, would somebody explain to me what is more mainstream for America than pro-freedom, pro-America, pro-democracy?
It's embarrassing to people like Marvin Kennelb, apparently.
Very, very, very troubling.
We have uh we have one more to go here.
Uh listen to this, listen to this uh uh technique.
He offers a way uh for journalists to win the Pulitzer Prize.
People today turn on the news not to find out what happened, but to get confirmation of what it is that they already believe.
And in the Middle East, we are involved in a battle of biases, with everybody believing that he has discovered the truth.
One should learn in that part of the world especially, truth is very hard to find.
And the person, the reporter who has the guts to say I don't know, is the one who ought to get the Pulitzer Prize.
Folks, does it get any better than this?
You got a guy, a journalist, he's over in the Middle East, he's trying to report what goes on, and every night on the news or every day in the newspaper, his story is basically, I watched this today, this happened, but I don't know.
Pulitzer prize winner.
In the me in the meantime, we don't watch to find out what happened.
We watch to confirm what we already believe.
We're involved in a battle of biases in the Middle East, everybody believing that he's discovered the truth.
Well, in that part of the world, truth is very hard to find.
What's what's so hard to understand about beheadings and mass murder?
The killing of uh innocent children and civilians.
What's so hard to understand, Mr. Caleb, about an enemy which uh hides itself in civilian clothes, launches rockets from people's homes, will not let them leave the battle area.
What is so hard to find about that?
What is so difficult about the truth in that scenario, Mr. Calb?
Oh, I'm sorry.
Ladies and gentlemen, forgive me.
I'm probably offending elitist journalists now because my biases are showing.
Which of course is uh better than other things showing, I guess.
Back back in just a second.
I'm gonna go back to Marvin Caleb, just one of these bites.
Uh soundbite number six.
Again, uh ladies are you ready to go on that, uh, Mike?
Here we go.
Let's listen to the uh I don't mean the whole thing.
I just uh once it gets to pro-America, pro-democracy, pro-freedom.
It used to be that we really felt that we would try as best we could.
By the way, stop the tape.
You are listening to arrogant elitism as I think it it has best ever been represented.
It'd be tough to top this terms of attitude, condescension, uh idiocy, stupidity.
People may have high IQs, but they know nothing.
No, they may be educated, they don't know anything.
Cover it objectively, to cover both sides, to be fair to both sides to explain the policy of both sides.
Of course.
Today, the media appears to be broken down into camps, no, where Fox prides itself on being pro-America, pro-democracy, pro-freedom.
Stop the tape.
Now, I axed earlier in this program when doing a little riff on negotiating with terrorists.
How do you negotiate with evil?
When it's your core values, how do you negotiate with somebody else?
What what what is in it for you when you give up a core value, ladies and gentlemen?
For example, let's say I am uh well-known and established pro-lifer.
Let's say that I'm in a negotiation with uh Feminazi over modifying abortion.
And the Feminazi is intractable in her position.
No!
We're gonna have as many abortions as possible because it's a political purpose.
We're not gonna give up the freedom to reproductive rights, not at all.
I said, wait a minute.
You can't legally have an abortion out of uh uh beyond the the the the first trimester.
Well, yeah, okay, okay.
How about if I say, look, I'm willing to let you have an abortion up to the first trimester?
The Feminazi says, hmm.
You're willing to let me have an abortion?
Even if it's just up to the first trimester.
First month, first month.
What's what's the point of my doing that?
Some people might say, well, Rush, good move because you're moving the chains.
Or you are shifting the momentum or whatever.
But I've still compromised a core value.
I've just agreed to let a feminazi set the terms of when an abortion came when I don't believe in it at all.
So what's the point?
Contrast this with Marvin Kalb here, complaining about Fox, priding itself on being pro-America, pro-democracy, pro-freom.
How can you pick a middle ground between pro-freedom and anti-freedom?
Where do you start giving away freedom, Mr. Calb?
Pro-freedom?
You mean there's an anti-freedom that somebody needs to recognize?
And there's an anti-freedom we Americans need to understand, maybe take on a little bit of it ourselves just to get along with people.
How do you how do you come to a common ground with something as disparate as freedom or anti-freedom?
The best way to explain this to Mr. Cowb would be to put it in terms that he understands.
Mr. Cowb, let's talk about the First Amendment, freedom of the press.
I think you've got too much.
No, I'm very bullish on freedom of the press, Mr. Limbaugh.
I am very pro-freedom.
Well, I think you got too much, and you're ruining America.
I think your freedom has gone too far, and you can destroy things.
You know, I want to I want to I want to I want to rein in your freedom of the uh of the First Amendment that you have.
Well, you can't, it's in the Constitution.
Well, wait a minute.
You want to talk about freedom versus uh anti-freedom elsewhere, but you're not willing to negotiate on your own freedom, but you'll sit around it and uh assist others in losing theirs by choosing the wrong side.
These people, ladies and gentlemen, when it comes to a core value, it is liberalism, and it is dangerous, and it has to be observed and and known uh at all times who these people are and what they will do if given the chance.
They will sell everybody but themselves down the river, and they'll think they're doing God's work.
At the same time, this is John in Detroit.
John, welcome to the EIB network.
Hello.
Detroit Ditto's Rush, how are you?
I'm fine, sir.
Thank you.
Hey, uh, somebody ought to ask Marvin Calb, how sophisticated was CNN's journalism when they gave Saddam Hussein a veto over critical stories as a condition of keeping the Baghdad Bureau open.
I don't think Marvin Calb would have any problem with that at all.
And Marvin Calb would probably think Eason Jordan should be given an award for it.
Doesn't strike me as sophisticated and playing down the world.
No, in liberal no, no, no, no, no, no.
As far as liberals are concerned, it's the ultimate sophistication.
Let me explain it to you.
I know these people, my friends.
I know them like every square inch of my glorious naked body.
Eason Jordan thought he was being brilliant when he wrote that up in the New York Times, explaining how, yes, uh, we did suppress stories of maltreatment of Iraqis by Saddam.
Uh but that was to protect our journalists, and to protect our photographers, and to keep our bureau open.
And people read this, so what the hell's bureau worth when you can't tell us the truth?
But to these people, keeping that bureau open, and reporting the news, and keeping feet on the ground and cameras and microphones on the scene, that was the achievement.
Why, to them, they manipulated Saddam.
Saddam wasn't manipulating them.
They were playing the game and in their minds Saddam was being duped.
Because they were succeeding in staying there.
I'm telling you, you you think that this is an exaggeration.
You people who still doubt me are going to have to trust me.
They thought it was highly sophisticated and worth an award, or Eason Jordan wouldn't have written that piece on the op-ed page of the New York Times.
But that was a coup d'etat, or a coup.
I mean, that was a real achievement.
To keep that bureau open in Baghdad so that they could report lies.
Or not report truth, however you wish to look at it.
But of course, truth that's arbitrary.
It's up to CNN in a sophisticated way to determine.
About that report that Osama bin Laden has a crush on Whitney Houston.
A thought just occurred to me.
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