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Aug. 10, 2006 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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August 10, 2006, Thursday, Hour #2
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And welcome back to the Rush Limbaugh program.
Again, today the big news of what did not happen.
Rush thinks that all these big things happen when he leaves.
This is a case in which the big thing did not happen.
The big thing that did happen is that the Brits and the Americans were successful.
Blair and Bush were successful at uh thwarting a apparently a complicated plot to try to do again what uh Ramdi Youssef and uh Sheikh tried to do out of the Philippines in '94, uh, and that is to put some bombs on a lot of airplanes and blow them out of the sky and disrupt uh Western civilization in one of its uh key key components.
Uh the disruption nonetheless, even without the planes blowing up, is pretty substantial today with flights canceled and people uh uh uh uh trying to get on board planes and no liquids and all the rest of it that's going on.
I wanted to uh, however, say that in light of the discussion we've been having about Israel in Lebanon, about Hezbollah starting a war and then uh portraying themselves since then as uh uh as the victims of it uh in um in the American media successfully, by the way.
Um, I want to just come maybe make a proposal here.
Constructively trying to move us toward peace.
It seems to me that in the interests of peace, that young uh Muslims around the world need to take a timeout.
We need a ceasefire on the question of blowing up airplanes.
Perhaps you should just not take a plane for a while.
Try to try to, you know, uh back off and take a timeout and and really regroup.
Uh in the words of the modern education jargon of the United States, it's just time for a timeout uh to, you know, rest and and to try to uh come to grips with your need to tolerate uh diversity and to uh be more accepting of people of different faiths and uh different ways of looking at the world.
If only you'd gone to American school.
Oops.
Oh, yeah, Hezbollah high in uh Dearborn.
That didn't work too well there.
But uh, if only you'd gone to American school where diversity training is mandatory, where we know that all people are valid and all ideas are equally valid, these things would not have come to you to get on a plane and blow people up.
I mean, the how well how dysfunctional, how how in need of uh of uh Riddlin you must have been in the eighth grade uh with for your ADD.
Now that I've got the attention I see, I'm trying to build bridges to a different audience.
I know many of you are wondering what is he talking about?
Well, I'm trying to speak in the language that would draw in other Kims, uh our earlier caller, other folks out there who have been lost in the wilderness of liberalism for too long and need to get connected to a rational reality again.
So I'm going to use their vocabulary to draw them in.
Yesterday, the Israelis, who only have one uh vocabulary, reported on Israeli television that among the slain militants in the fighting in Lebanon yesterday, among the slain Hezbollahm members were members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.
Iranian troops are in Lebanon, according to the Israelis, identified by papers discovered on their bodies.
And and maybe they were maybe they were just there uh as human shields, as uh giving out food aid uh to their Muslim brothers.
It's possible.
Uh on the other hand, highly unlikely.
Because, ladies and gentlemen, Hezbollah has been around a long time.
Prior to 9-11, Hezbollah killed more Americans than any other terrorist group.
And I have I I interviewed earlier uh Lynn Smith Derbyshire, Derbyshire, whose brother was killed in the 1983 attack on the marine barracks at Lebanon, the Marines who were there to bring peace, to uh try to bring peace to Lebanon were blown up, if you remember in 1983 by Hezbollah.
By Hezbollah.
And Joe uh and I interviewed another fellow who had actually um who had actually survived the bombing and describes it for me.
So here is that interview.
Hezbollah is nothing new.
In 1983, Hezbollah was responsible for the attack on the marine barracks in Beirut.
We were there trying to keep the peace to support democracy, to support the Lebanese.
Two hundred and forty-one Marine men and women uh died in uh that attack.
Lynn Smith Derbyshire is a woman who lost her brother, Captain Vincent Smith in that 1983 bombing.
And Joe Sioken uh survived the barracks bombing.
Uh he was a Navy journalist injured in that bombing, and is currently uh public affairs uh in the public affairs office on board the USS uh Midway down here in San Diego Harbor.
First of all, Lynn Smith Derby Shire, welcome to the program.
Thank you.
And uh Joe Sioken, thank you for being on as well.
Glad to be here, Roger.
Um Lynn, tell us about your brother.
Oh, Vince was a great guy.
He was my oldest brother, and he was uh everything you want your older brother to be.
He was uh my protector, my friend, my teacher, um just a terrific, terrific guy.
Where'd you grow up a American man?
Where'd you grow up?
Well, all over, actually.
My dad was in the Marine Corps as well, and so we we grew up kind of every place.
And he and so he enlisted.
He went to the Naval Academy and he um went into the Marine Corps after graduation and then went to flight school, and he was a helicopter pilot.
And what was he doing in the barracks in Beirut?
Well, he was the uh air liaison officer, so when they had to get supplies to and from the ship, it was his job to uh coordinate that.
I remember the gruesome uh aftermath of that blast and uh uh just wondering, did you ever get a body back?
What did they give you back?
Oh gosh.
Um, we did get some pieces back, uh not not whole, and um you know that's one of the really really difficult things.
You know, it took three weeks before they could identify his remains, and they actually had to do it from some x-rays from a broken bone he'd had his childhood.
Now today it must be particularly poignant then for you and your family uh to be contemplating Hezbollah today.
Oh, it's just uh really, really difficult to it's difficult to listen to the news, it's difficult to read the paper, and and it you know, it's been that way for years, because of course Hezbollah has been committing acts of terror against Americans and other people all these twenty-three long years, and and every time there's another one, uh, you know, we just grieve Vince's death all over again.
It just slices open that scar because you know, his murderers are still out there murdering other people.
They haven't been held accountable and they haven't been stopped.
And i it's just very difficult.
I can only imagine uh from my perspective, I listen uh carefully.
American presidents uh ritually will say uh that they mourn the loss of this life, uh that they're going to hold the perpetrators accountable, uh, that uh you can't get away with this kind of stuff uh on Americans, and then inevitably they do get away with it.
Yes.
Well, Hezbollah and and the government of Iran, who in fact has hired Hezbollah as their hitman time and time again, uh they have been getting away with murder literally over and over and over again.
We we have in fact sued the government of Iran for this crime, and we have a guilty.
I'm sorry, Lynn, go ahead.
We have a guilty verdict against them, but we are prevented from collecting damages, in essence, actually holding them accountable just because of some loopholes in the U.S. law, and and we need to fix that because if we're not holding them accountable, they're they're never gonna stop.
Is there legislation that would fix that loophole?
There sure is.
It's HR 865 in the House and S twelve fifty-seven in the Senate.
And uh it it's it's just a little loophole.
It's it's it's kind of a technicality, actually.
And if we can pass this law, then we will be able to go after Iranian assets that are here in the United States.
Uh the Iranians are using our free market economy to raise money to fund more terror.
And and I think that's wrong.
I think we need to take that money away.
The government of Iran has commercial enterprises in the United States.
Yes, they do, by the billions of dollars worth.
They make money here to fund their terrorism and then take the money and go do that.
Yes, sir.
And you sue them for the death of your loved one and you cannot collect?
Correct.
Why is that?
Well, it it's it's uh there is a law that they passed years ago called the FLATO Amendment.
It's an amendment to the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act, um that says, Well, the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act says you can't sue a foreign government.
But the FLATO amendment says, yes you can if they're a terrorist, a state sponsor of terror.
And of course, Iran is one of those on the list, and so we can sue them, and um you know, the State Department is a little miffed at this because it used to be their purview to um you know use this kind of stuff as negotiations or or however, and so they've sort of little by little chipped away at the effectiveness of this law in the courts.
And so our this law, H.R. 865, S twelve fifty seven, is aimed at fixing what's been broken over over that period of time that the State Department's been trying to to you know, basically get their turf back.
Is the Bush administration supporting the bill, the bills?
You know, I don't believe the Bush administration has been asked.
Um I don't think we've gotten that to that point yet.
We we're trying to get support in the Congress, you know, by you know, different people calling their congressmen and saying, please vote for this bill.
And uh, you know, then when it gets up for a vote, but I d I believe he will support it when he gets the opportunity.
It's the kind of thing it strikes me that he would support.
Well, we ought to be sure about that because I don't know that I am sure.
Well about a lot of his stuff.
Yeah.
Lynn Smith uh Derbyshire now lost her brother in the eighty three Beirut Marine Barracks bombing.
And may I say along with uh illegal immigration that this issue was uh the v two of the very few uh marks I have against the uh Reagan administration, but they are significant, this one more than the other, this one even more than the amnesty of eighty six on the illegals.
All right, I'm gonna interrupt that uh interview now because we're gonna take a break.
Roger Hedgecock back live here on the Rush Show.
Wait till you hear this next segment, however, is as moving and powerful as Lynn was.
Uh in the next segment, a survivor of the eighty-three Marine Barracks blast and his account of what happened.
I'm Roger Hedgecock, in for rush, back after this.
Welcome back to the Rush Liball program.
Roger Hedgecock In for Rush today, and I just played uh an interview with a survivor whose brother uh Lynn uh Smith Derbyshire, whose brother Vince died in the nineteen eighty-three uh attack on the marine barracks in Beirut by Hezbollah.
I bring this up because Hezbollah is not new.
Hezbollah killed more Americans prior to nine eleven than anybody else.
They uh want to do it again.
Joe Sioken is um again retired now in the Navy then and uh was at the barracks, at the barracks uh next door in another building in Beirut when the attack happened.
I interviewed him, and this is how that interview went.
So you were there at the Beirut bombing of those barracks.
Where were you?
Well, I was uh in the building next door, Roger.
And what uh maybe a hundred yards away.
And why were you there?
I was running uh an armed forces radio and television station there.
I was the station manager.
And Okay, a station manager, a suit for crying out loud.
All right, so you're all right, so Joe, you're the you're there and and and you're in this building a hundred yards away.
What are you in that building when the bomb goes off?
Uh yes.
Um it's kind of a pregnant story there too.
The sergeant major of the uh BLT one eight, which was in the headquarters building, uh, gave me up his room because I was a senior Navy enlisted guy there.
I was a senior chief at the time.
Yeah.
And uh he said, I'm gonna go back and live with my troops, and of course he died there.
Wow.
And he gave up his room to you, and you're a hundred yards away.
What was it like when the bomb went off physically?
Were you in your room?
Were you in the office?
Where were you?
I was asleep in one of those old army cots with the mosquito netting.
Mm-hmm.
Uh this is a building that had been occupied by the PLO, and of course the Israelis blew it apart, so it looked like the Alamo.
My goodness.
Yeah.
But the blast was so powerful it blew us off our foundation ten inches.
Wow, how big a little ceiling down on us.
How big a building?
Uh it was a two-story, three-fingered uh uh concrete and steel building.
It turned out it was the civil uh aviation building for the Lebanese.
So blown off that until that day because it blew some of the rooms apart and we saw some link trainers in there.
Oh the old Link trainer, my goodness.
So okay, so it blows the uh the building off its uh foundations, uh caves in the roof.
How did you survive?
Uh well that's another story.
I did a cartwheel across the room.
Uh it the wall literally hit me upside the head and I flew out of my bunk and uh on my way through the air, I grabbed my helmet and flak jacket and had them on when I hit the floor.
Wow.
Wow.
That's fast thinking.
I scrambled across the debris and got out of the building.
I thought we'd been hit by an artillery round until I got outside.
What did you see?
Well there was nothing but dust all over the place uh when a building that size blows up it leaves you know this huge debris like you saw in the World Trade Center when it came there.
That's what I saw.
It was like a fog over everything.
And uh a guy came running out of the fog and said BLT is done.
That was the building.
Because I was gonna say I had a wounded guy with me and I was going to take him to Battalion aid which was in the basement of BLT.
And of course they were destroyed.
And then I remember the first aid station was behind me in the supply compound so I turned around and led this guy to the supply compound and uh there was a bunch of people follow me out of the cloud, you know, there were a line of Marines just follow me.
Like they were zombies.
I felt like the Pied Piper at the time.
Wasn't thinking about that.
I was just trying to get this guy to some help.
Yeah.
And of course I was hurt too but I wasn't paying attention to that.
What do you think now when the when you read or hear about the Hezbollah in uh Lebanon It makes me angry that uh we never finished the job and you know my personal feelings are we should back off and just let Israel do its job.
I mean they know the problem.
They've been with it for years and they know who these guys are you know that the marine unit uh that was involved there uh by the re press reports I'm reading the marine unit that was killed and uh Lynn's brother among uh among the dead uh that same unit at least it's the same number I think is uh helping to evacuate Americans out of uh Lebanon in the first days of the war.
Yeah they were two four mal and I know I'm a two four mu now.
Yeah.
Also the same battalion landing team, BLT one eight they're there too with the Iwo Jima.
That must be odd, I'll tell you that must be very odd.
Yeah you know it killed all our corpsmen so those of us who survive tried to be corpsmen even though we weren't trained that way.
How many wounded?
Oh there were over three hundred.
Three hundred yeah yeah.
My goodness.
Well Joe, what are you doing these days?
Uh I'm volunteering on the USS Midway.
I feel like I'm back on active duty.
It's fun yeah good for you.
That ship yeah you go on that ship and it does feel like active duty out there.
You see all those things but uh Lynn I uh has told us about this uh these two bills uh to at least try to bring some financial accountability to the picture if not uh of a higher order of accountability.
Uh what do you know about any of that?
You know I haven't really followed the politics.
I keep in touch with my team.
Yeah.
Uh they call me when things like this happen and we talk and we send emails back and forth.
Uh I'm just supporting the troops and I I know you do too and I thank you for that.
Well you bet.
Well Lynn I I don't know.
I don't know what to say at this point.
I mean do you feel like we ought to just let the Israelis uh uh do the job now or what?
Oh gosh you know I I'm not a politician.
I'm I'm you know a soccer mom.
I I'm just trying to make sense of it all that's a really difficult question and I I do think that we need by whatever means to take away Hezbollah's ability to keep killing us.
And I I think that's a many pronged approach.
I I don't think we can only do that militarily.
Um I I think that's why these bills are so important to me.
One of the reasons I think we need to do it uh financially.
I mean I think their Achilles heel is financial and uh you know the problem with going at it primarily or or solely militarily is that you know they send home too many of the boys in boxes.
So uh you know my my gut reaction is we gotta stop 'em however we gotta stop 'em and and I think if there's a a way to do it without um, you know more people like me having to bury the closed casket, then that's that's the best way to do it.
Uh I don't know, though.
I'm I'm glad I'm not uh the uh the head of state right now, and it it it brings me to my knees and makes me pray for him because what a hard job.
I'm Roger Hedgecock back live for Rush Limbaugh.
While the New York Times lionizes the leader of Hezbollah, Sheikh Hassan Nasralov, the real Hezbollah has been you you've now just heard from two people.
You're gonna hear more in the next segment when we talk about what Hezbolla is doing today in this war, even though in the press accounts uh the war they started, they're victims of.
Uh not quite.
More facts on the Rush Show after this.
Roger Hedgecock in for Rush Limbaugh here at the EIB network 1800-282-2882, our phone number and uh to David uh now in uh Dearborn, Michigan, representing the public schools up there.
We had previously talked about these two who were arrested who were uh Dearborn uh apparently uh came out of Dearborn High Schools at uh Fordson High School up there.
David, welcome to the program.
Thank you very much, Mr. Hedgecock.
I appreciate the opportunity to be on today.
Yes, sir.
Uh I just uh was calling to say I I I had heard that uh some comments were made about some activities taking place at our high schools, and uh as far as some rallies taking place at our high schools, uh pro Hezbol rallies and things like that.
That is not true, that is not accurate.
Uh our high s our schools are not even in session until September.
Uh and we we do not we we never have had any rallies take place at our high schools on our school property.
Uh we in we as a public institution, uh our job is teaching and learning, and and that's what we are all about, and that's what's taking place uh here at our schools.
All right, good.
Uh uh the statement I made, and uh and I again I got this from uh Debbie Schlussel dot com is this um Huseki's alma mater, Dearborn's Fordson High School is the most Muslim populated public high school in America.
Hate is prevalent in the tax funded school.
Many of its students have been participating in the pro Hezbolla rallies in town.
The school is quote, Hezbollah, unquote.
Uh so there have been rallies in town, I take it in Dearborn.
That is that is accurate.
Uh there has been some rallies within the city limits, uh, but they are not sponsored by our high schools or by the school district or by the city government in any way.
Oh, okay.
Well, we didn't say that.
We said that they were pro Hezbolla rallies in town.
Okay.
Yeah.
Well that's why it's just the the repercussions it has in this city when something like that is said is is is is alarming.
I mean you you you're you're a very powerful uh network and uh uh Rush has a very strong following and and I can understand why.
Well, and uh and we want to correct or be as accurate as possible.
So there were pro Hezbolla rallies in Dearborn.
And the statement is made.
I just know that there were rallies.
I I don't know if they were pro Hezbolla rallies or not.
I know there were some rallies held in Dearborn.
Now, David, I can't.
I'm not gonna comment on what they were.
David, they were on the national news.
David, this is not a secret I'm revealing here on the Rush Show.
Well okay, I I understand that.
Uh so they were pro Hezbolla rallies.
They were in Dearborn.
Uh would you say that your students participated?
I d I would not know if they did or not.
It's very possible that uh that some of our students may have participated, but I I don't know that for a fact.
Can you uh can you confirm that Ali Huseki uh was in uh was in your school and uh was uh the Fordson High School football team co-captain in two thousand three?
Yeah, uh I believe that that is accurate.
Uh I d I have not checked to see, but I believe that that is accurate that he was a former student.
And Osama Sabi Abul Hassan, was he s was he likewise a student at uh Fordson?
I I don't I don't know that.
You don't know that you don't you don't know understand that name?
No, I just I just don't know if he was in if he was a student here or not.
You're aware that these two have been arrested under uh some very interesting circumstances, right?
Absolutely.
It's it's absolutely it's it's it's terrible.
Okay.
Well, um anyway.
Uh I'm I'm I I'm happy, David, to make the clarification that We're talking about rallies in town in Dearborn, but we were talking about these two folks, and uh school is out.
Now, when it comes back, are uh do you find it difficult in the school?
I mean, do you teach in this school?
Um I'm the communications coordinator for the entire district.
Oh, okay.
So uh so you're the spokesperson.
Uh absolutely for the district.
That's correct.
In this in this school, have there been difficulties with respect to uh to having the Muslim population that you have.
When I say difficulties, I mean have there been incidents of difficulties between non-Muslim and Muslim students.
Well, I would say that that perhaps in Dearborn uh in our schools that that took place twenty years ago.
That uh, you know, because the uh the Arab community has been in this city since the nineteen twenties, and most prevalent since probably the mid sixties and seventies.
Um it it was at that time that there were high tensions among Arab Americans and non-Arab Americans.
But within our school district now, um there we we don't have those kinds of of conflicts because um these are our neighbors, these are our friends, these are people that we know, we grow up with them, they're American citizens, and y nothing more than that.
Um so those kinds of conflicts we do don't see those um within our schools.
Are there do do do racial conflicts occur or ethnic conflicts uh occur among kids?
Yes, but it's nothing different than what occurs in other high schools among high school kids arguing about girls or football or what have you.
Or cell phones or plane flights, sir.
Okay, David, thanks.
I I appreciate I appreciate I appreciate what you're saying because again we need to say, and I I'm sure it's true because it's true in San Diego.
Not all Muslims obviously are terrorists.
The problem I'm having is that all the terrorists seem to be Muslim.
Well at uh it it sometimes.
Including possibly two of your graduates.
Well, I I hope that's not the fact.
I hope that that doesn't turn out to be the case.
It would be very unfortunate if it if it is.
Yeah.
Well I agree with that.
David, thanks.
I appreciate the call, my friend.
Thank you for calling for us.
Yes, sir.
Robert in Miami next on the Rush Show.
Robert, hi.
Hello, Robert, welcome to the program.
Hey Roger, how are you doing today?
Good.
Well, I just want to say that um look, I've been a liberal all my uh adult life ever since I ever knew what politics was, and I've been against a lot of what this administration has done.
But what I don't understand is why do the liberals want to support the side that are against everything that we're about.
Like all of these like why are we so mad that you know we went into Iraq, Saddam is gone.
We needed him out of there.
He's gone.
We need to get him out.
Yes, we need to go out there with Allah bin Laden and Al Qaeda and all that, but we needed to get Saddam out.
He's out.
We're finishing what we went into doing Iraq with, we need to finish that now, and we can't go out early if we do, then it's just gonna go chaotic.
So we need to all pull together instead of just everyone to the right, everyone to the left, forget it.
We're all American, that's what we need to remember.
Everybody's American, forget right left.
We need to pull together and get this thing done so these terrorists don't kill us anymore because they are gonna kill us.
There's no doubt about it.
Peace is peace, that yes, we want peace, but we need to get rid of the terrorists, and until we get rid of the terrorists, there's never gonna be peace.
Well, Robert, uh a hundred percent agree with you.
I appreciate what you're saying.
Uh my my problem with what you're saying is that uh I believe that uh the Bush administration, you know, you can go through and criticize their methods and so forth, but they have focused on the point you have made.
They are trying and and have been successful in deterring attacks in this country.
They're going after the terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere.
Um the people who are opposed to that, who think we're on the wrong track, who believe we've created the terrorism, who believe that our invasion of Iraq is causing terrorism, who believe that in fact Bush actually bombed the World Trade Center himself personally are people who are liberals, Robert.
Well, that's true, but you gotta remember, I mean I mean George Bush has been president for six years, and he has made a lot of decisions on other things that have nothing to do with Iraq.
I mean, I'm I'm I'm talking about I I've disagree with him on a lot of things that have to do with other things that are that's not about this war.
Yeah, but I'm but on the but on the war, Robert, on the war.
Well, I'm I think um just that I'm I'm the type of person that I don't I can't think about the past anymore.
Just whatever he's done, whatever's happened in the past, I can't worry about that.
I have to worry about what's gonna happen now.
I have to have to worry about what we can do to worry about the future.
I don't care what what has happened in the past.
I can't go back and change any election.
I can't go back and change any any any bodies that can't do any of that.
None of us can.
We need to worry about what's happening now and go forward, and that's it.
And if if he's on the right track now, which I I hope I hope we are.
I'm not I don't I I I mean I don't know.
I don't know what's gonna happen.
I hope America's on the right track where we graph the right people, we don't mess up and go into the wrong country.
I'm not a military, and I'm not with the government.
All right, Robert, let me f let me focus you though, because I'm agreeing with you and and I'm uh uh and what we need to do, and that is pull together to win this war and stop these people who are going to kill us if we don't.
Uh but we had an election this week in Connecticut in which uh a liberal senator, uh, Mr. Lieberman, was defeated in the primary.
It's something it's only happened like three or four times in the history of the country.
Uh in the primary, he was defeated by specifically a liberal Democrat, Mr. Lamont, who said uh that he was running specifically because what we ought to do is get our troops out of Iraq now.
Now that's where liberals are going.
Well, uh, there's a lot of liberals that are going that way, but you gotta remember there's a lot of there are a lot of candidates and a lot of senators on the on the left that have said that, and then when it comes to voting time, they vote the other way.
I mean, they I just I just don't think they're getting all the facts.
I mean, now that this guy's actually he's he's gonna be the candidate, maybe he can get all the facts, and maybe he'll start learning, well, we can't pull them all now.
I mean, that's just not logical.
How can we do that?
It just leaves open ground for for like I mean, that's just a terrorist playground if we do that.
No, amen to that, Robert, and I gotta tell you I agree with you a hundred percent.
I appreciate what you're saying.
I thank you for calling the show.
I hope other liberals are having these same kind of thoughts, my friend.
We're gonna take a short break.
On the Rush Limbach program, I'm Roger Hitchcock.
Back after this.
Welcome back to the Rush Limbaugh program.
Roger Hitchcock In for Rush today.
Now, the the essence, ladies and gentlemen, let me just distill this entire Hezbollah thing down to the essence of the character of these people.
As human beings, what kind of people are they?
Let me refer you to a letter published in Der Tagespiegel in uh Berlin.
It's a Berlin Daily uh newspaper here last week.
It was a letter to the editor from Dr. Munir Herzala, identifying himself as a Shiite from Southern Lebanon, who had left there in 2002.
In other words, as the Israelis left in 2000, he was still there.
And he talks about in the letter Hezbollah moving into his town, lived in a little village in southern Lebanon, the very area that's now the subject of the war, and how Hezbollah had dug rocket depots in bunkers, and then built a school and a residence over the bunker in his village.
And then the letter went on, and I'll quote it now so you get the full impact of this.
This is a a Shiite.
This is a someone who came out of Southern Lebanon in 2002, and he writes about what Hezbollah did during the uh ceasefire.
When Leb when when Leban when the Israelis left Lebanon for peace, land for peace.
By the way, the Arabic word for uh ceasefire actually is also the word for reload, in case you just wanted to get the idea.
Uh here is the letter.
Dr. Herzala.
Quote Laughing, a local sheikh explained to me that the Jews would lose in any event because the rockets would either be fired at them or if they attacked the rocket depot, they would be condemned by world opinion on account of the dead civilians.
Hisbola wins either way.
In other words, they either get to fire the rockets and kill Israelis, or the Israelis come down and kill the Lebanese and then lose in the court of public opinion.
Dr. Herzala continues, quote, these people, meaning Hezbollah, these people do not care about the Lebanese population.
They use them as shields and once dead as propaganda.
They use them as shields, and then once dead as propaganda, unquote.
This is the true nature of the enemy we face.
These are people who would sacrifice Muslims because they're going to a better place.
They're going to paradise.
They're martyrs, uh, because in their death we can reap the benefit.
We can get somebody in a Reuters photographer to come in and take a doctored picture.
We can get the gullible uh CNN reporter to come in on a staged event here and uh see all the rubble, and it's the rubble we used last week, but they won't know that.
And we'll be digging people out of there who we buried in there just a few minutes ago.
We're going to be able to stage the kinds of things that will really inflame those liberals and the uh in the United States.
We've got to get past this, ladies and gentlemen.
Our foe is much more determined and ruthless and barbaric than we ever thought possible.
Michael in Nashville, Tennessee, you're next on the Rush program.
Michael, hi.
Hi, Mr. Hedgecock.
Uh pleasure to speak with you.
Thank you.
Last time you and I spoke, I was in college and you were the mayor of San Diego.
That was a while back, my friend.
Yes, sir, it was.
Uh I have suspicions, and I'm I'm hoping you can leave them for me.
I'm thinking back to the 2004 election, and it seemed like about two business days after every time the Democrats would uh uh capture the headlines, we would go into a uh terrorist alert.
Uh they would say there would be no specific uh threat, but uh we would go to level orange, and it was always two business days.
For example, two business days after the Democratic National Convention, two business days after Kerry picked Edwards as his running mate.
And now here two business days after we have a referendum about Bush's policy in Iraq, suddenly we have a terrorist threat that apparently has been investigated for months, and uh suddenly now, you know, at this particular time it comes out and I have suspicions about the timing.
Well, I d I don't know about those timing situations.
We've had a number of different uh levels of uh threat for the last what five years, but on this one, it seems it would seem a little odd if it was more than coincidence in the sense that the Brits are the ones that arrested twenty-one people today and said that their investigation, which had gone on for some weeks, had culminated in uh in in in dropping the the the the dime on these guys because they were about ready to get on planes and blow them up, six to ten planes crossing the Atlantic.
Now, uh I don't know.
If the planes had blown up, let's take this scenario.
Uh Michael, if the planes had blown up today, would we then hear uh Lamont coming on in a press conference saying, see, if only we got out of Iraq, uh the planes wouldn't have blown up and they wouldn't hate us so much.
Two business days later.
What a coincidence.
Uh-huh.
Well, I mean, I don't doubt that there's a terrorist threat out there.
I just think that uh perhaps it's uh being um uh used uh to the benefit of uh of um you know are you one of those people that believes that Bush was involved in a government plot to blow up the World Trade Center?
No, I don't.
Okay, so I mean I wanted to see just how far over on this conspiracy level you are.
Because I mean I've I've listened to the most wacko stuff uh that I've ever heard in my life uh in terms of nine eleven, and I'm wondering, boy, I'll tell you what, the parallel universe is here uh like the layers of an onion.
But in your case, uh you're just suspicious of the timing.
I think you ought to look, I think you ought to look at the facts of this one, forget about the last times when these uh reports were just handed out by the Homeland Security folks just saying, hey, uh we've got a problem.
In this case, we have real arrests, a real plot, real threats, real stuff.
This isn't just talk.
Well, were they actually planning on boarding the plane today?
That's what we're talking about.
The Brits are saying we nipped this thing in the bud.
Uh so I don't know, Michael, I don't see the same thing you see.
This one seemed to be not Bush's deal, but uh Blair's, and not ours, but the UK's, even though the planes were coming this way.
All right, more calls at 1800-282-2882 on the Rush program after this.
Roger Hedgecock in for Rush.
Just saw this quote in from Congressman John Dingle, Democrat of Michigan, who said, Michigan now, back to Dearborn, quote, says Dingle, I don't take sides for or against Hezbollah or for or against Israel.
Really, Mr. Dingle, who do you represent, really?
Roger Hedgecock In for Rush.
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