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July 14, 2006 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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July 14, 2006, Friday, Hour #1
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Welcome to today's edition of the Rush 247 podcast.
Thank you, Johnny Donovan, and uh what a pleasure and a privilege it is to be able to spend this part of the day with you.
I am Paul W. Smith, fellow student of the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies, coming to you today from the Midwest campus in Detroit, Michigan, the motor city still, and the growing life sciences corridor, with Google choosing Ann Arbor, Michigan for their next mega Google Plex.
So we're excited about that.
We have so much to do today, and you know, Rush is the master, uh, which is why I am also like you, a student of the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies, where there's never a final exam, but we are tested every day.
He comes to us and not only informs us and teaches us, he entertains us as well.
But right now I'm I have to tell you that with what's in the news, it's gonna be uh well, we'll be hard pressed, but the team is in place.
We still want to not only inform you, we do want to entertain you after all.
It is Friday, which means we'll have uh some sort of uh a kind of open line Friday.
We do want your phone calls always on the Rush Limbaugh program at 1-800-282-2882, 1-800-282-2882, or Rush Limbaugh.com.
But we also have some guests, some experts I like to bring on to hear their point of view on some of the news of the day.
And there's just so much of the news of the day.
Obviously, uh the Israeli warplanes continuing to hit the Lebanese capital, uh Hezbollah rockets hit northern Israel, uh, and uh and this is all because of its its Israeli retribution for the capture of a couple of Israeli soldiers.
Uh and uh and Lebanon, uh you may find this hard to accept in Belize, but it it's as if Lebanon Lebanon is caught in the middle here.
Because the deal uh the the conflict is not the typical Arab Israeli conflict.
This is a a Hamas Hezbollah Israeli conflict.
The problem is Lebanon hasn't done enough to get Hezbollah out of Lebanon.
And they can say that they're not powerful enough, they're not strong enough, whatever, but I do feel sorry for the people, the Lebanese people who are stuck in the middle here, and uh and they're getting pounded for it, let me tell you.
Now, Israelis in and around the port city of Haifa are in their community bomb shelters or bomb proof rooms in their homes.
The uh Israeli army won't say why it's issued uh uh yet another take cover order.
At least one militant rocket fell on Israel's third largest city.
Yesterday no one was hurt, and there's still concerns uh about what's going on there.
UN resolution, Security Council's debating a resolution about this Israeli-Lebanon situation.
Uh we've got uh these Mid East concerns spiking oil going toward eighty bucks uh a gallon.
I'm hearing uh it may be close to three fifty four dollars uh uh a gallon of gasoline, who knows.
Uh yeah, there's so many stories that we're going to uh uh touch on as we uh as we go along.
Don't forget, too, there are twenty-five thousand Americans that are in Lebanon, and uh there's talk of American soldiers having to go in there to get them out.
And now I you know I'm I'm assuming these are these are people who have to be there, because I I also presume there's still a uh a travel advisory from the State Department.
I I I HR Kit Carson, executive producer, on duty uh today, and Mike Maimon, director of engineering, uh HR can check that out for me.
But I I believe State Department has had a travel advisory on Lebanon for a very long time.
But still twenty-five thousand Americans uh apparently are there.
Uh other news uh includes the big dig.
This is the uh, you know, I always uh think of it as the Carrie Kennedy Big Dig in Boston, a multibillion dollar boondoggle that has been hit with overruns and now horrifically uh problems that uh took the life of a woman uh in that tunnel.
Who's who can possibly feel safe going through that thing now?
So you've got uh you've got uh Kerry and Kennedy and their big dig, and it's gonna take uh the governor and presumed Republican candidate for president, who in fact uh was on the Rush Limbaugh program with us, one of the times we uh sat in, Mitt Romney.
It's gonna take a Republican Mitt Romney to get to the bottom of that disaster and try to fix it.
And uh there's gonna be all kinds of horrible stories that come out regarding the big dig that uh malty, malty, multi-billion dollar boondoggle in the backyard of uh Mistrs.
Kennedy and Kerry.
That will be uh uh a horrible story before it's all over.
Uh and then, of course, uh, unless you've been living in a cave, you have found that uh Valerie Plain and her husband, former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson, remember, these are the people uh who want to stay covert if you listen to them and talk to them, they and they're continuing their efforts to stay covert uh after many magazine covers, feature stories, television and radio interviews, including one with me, uh things have actually gotten a bit quiet.
And Valerie Plame, not being used to truly being covert and undercover, is starring in many press conferences today.
She is suing these United States that she so passionately loves and and went to work for.
She's suing the United States government and Vice President Dick Cheney Carl Roves, Scooter Libby, and like ten other people, accusing them and other White House officials of conspirating to destroy her career.
Now, if we do a uh check of the W twos, I would just guess, I'm guessing that all of this has been a career booster financially, I presume, don't you think?
They seem to have done a lot better since uh that whole covert thing uh went by the wayside.
But you know, they actually had become covert again, and it must have been driving them crazy.
There are a variety of stories that we will get to a little later in the program uh coming up in just a moment, Congressman Mike Pence will be here, the Republican from Indiana, and we're gonna speak with the Congressman because he at least is trying to fashion a compromise between the House and the Senate and the White House on immigration reform.
Is it over?
Is anything going to happen?
Well, we'll see what Congressman Mike Pence has to say, and you'll be able to speak directly with him, I believe, at 1800-282-2882 on the Rush Lembaugh program.
We'll also be hearing from Ariel Cohen, who is senior research fellow of Russian and Eurasian Studies at the Heritage Foundation, USA.
We're going to talk about U.S. relations with Russia in light of some of the big issues facing the U.S., North Korea, Iran, Israel.
We'll also talk about the state of democracy in Russia, which is recently come into question, most notably with Vice President Cheney's broadside against curbs on the press, political opposition, speech in the former Soviet Union.
Uh matter of fact, President Bush will be having dinner in Russia tonight with Putin before the start of the G eight summit with the other world leaders, no doubt talking about North Korea and the Middle East.
We'll also welcome in George Friedman, the CEO of StratFour.com, apparently the nation's largest private intelligence firm, and George Friedman will discuss the tactical side of what's involved in the Israeli Hezbollah conflict now raging in Lebanon.
So we'll look forward to some more uh expert uh opinion on some of these things that are happening.
And uh in the uh in the final hour, we're gonna talk a little bit about a uh a study that came out that said that the American dream is is not possible.
Is not probable, is not possible.
The American dream, they say at the Aspen Institute, is closer to a hallucinatory hope than a reachable reality.
Now, we're gonna have to do a reality check.
And though all of the news I've just gone through with you is not so good, things are pretty doggone good in this great country of ours.
So we might have to go back and look at what the American dream is.
Or maybe what it should be.
But I gotta tell you, there are a lot of us who are smack dab in the middle of living the American dream.
You know, it was Will Rogers who said we Americans are uh are really the only people who drive to the poor house in a brand new car or something like that.
When I tell people that the American dream is reachable and that life is pretty good and they say it isn't, and then you ask them, what do they have?
The things that they take for granted now.
Oh, two cars, three television sets and DVD players and cell phones and home entertainment systems, and the list goes on and on, and they don't remember, and I'm not that old.
I'm actually a little younger than Rush.
I remember when the family had one phone in the house.
One car that we waited for it to come home before we went out and did anything, because that's just the way it was.
Wasn't that long ago.
And boy, have we come a long way.
I I think that I'm living a part of the American dream, and I bet you are too, and maybe we just need to be reminded of that from time to time.
So we'll talk about that a little bit in our final hour.
A couple other notes, not since Seabiscuit has a horse captured the hearts of so many as has Kentucky Derby champion Barbero or Barbaro, if you prefer, uh developing now a severe case of laminitis, a potentially fatal disease.
After everything this horse has gone through after the catastrophic injuries in the preakness on May twentieth, they're now saying that uh Barbaro's chances of survival are poor.
Bad odds, as they say.
Uh no pun intended.
And that's sad.
It's been a it's been a horse that has captured the hearts of so many because it was such a champion.
We'll also uh keep track of a couple of other lifestyle stories to ease us in to the weekend.
But first up, more on immigration reform with Congressman Mike Pence joining us right around the corner on this Your Favorite Radio Station.
I'm Paul W. Smith.
In for Rush Limbaugh.
As we continue on the Rush Limbaugh program at 1800-282-2882, that's one eight hundred-two eight two twenty-eight eighty-two or rush limbaugh.com.
I'm Paul W. Smith, fellow student of the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies, where there is never a final exam, but we are tested every day.
More news headlines.
Now the number 70 people in Lebanon, ten in Israel have now been killed in three days of fighting.
Israeli warplanes today again striking at runways at Beirut's airport, also uh destroying mountain bridges on the main highway to Syria.
Dozens more rockets have been fired from Lebanon into Northern Israel, and Lebanon's leader saying he got a promise from President Bush that he'd urge Israel to limit civilian injuries in its attacks, but the Prime Minister says he could not get President Bush to call for a ceasefire.
You can't ask you cannot ask Israel not to defend itself, period.
We'll get back to that story coming up in just a bit with Ariel Cohen and also George Friedman, some special guests, and with you on the telephone at uh one eight hundred-two eight two two eight eight two.
But first, uh back to immigration.
And this came to my attention from USA Today, USA Today, talking about uh how many uh illegal immigrants we have here.
If you picture the Rose Bowl, something we like to think about here with Michigan, with University of Michigan football, Michigan State for that matter, would like to get there too.
Everybody has a college team that would like to get to the Rose Bowl.
Well, uh there's ninety-three thousand fans there on New Year's Day.
They say picture one hundred thirty Rose Bowls filled to capacity, and you're looking at the number of people you have to deal with with the immigration issue.
Uh Congressman Mike Pence, a Congressman from Indiana, uh has put together a compromise between the House and the Senate and the White House on immigration reform.
We want to hear what he has to say.
Congressman, welcome to the Rush Limbaugh program.
Well, Paul, it's a great honor to be on with you and and special honor to be on the Rush Limbaugh program.
I'm a longtime listener, first time caller.
Well, it's hey, that's not too shabby.
First time caller being the featured guest.
Not too not too bad at all, Congressman.
Very humble, thank you.
Tell us how your plan is different from all the other plans that we've heard, how your plan is not going to offer uh amnesty, which a lot of our listeners certainly are absolutely against, how your plan is not going to reward people who have broken the law.
Well, I as the the headline in that USA Today uh editorial said, I I believe amnesty isn't the answer.
Um I think we have to uh we have to come up with uh uh with legislation that puts border security first and exclusively and under my proposal uh we would for the first two years do nothing but border security at the end of which Paul uh the Secretary of Homeland Security would have to verify that the border security measures included in the legislation had been substantially completed.
And at that point, and only at that point uh could we initiate a no amnesty guess worker program that would be operated by private sector firms outside the United States of America.
We would ask the uh eleven to twelve million illegal immigrants in America to leave the country and apply outside the United States for the legal right to be here and that's why I call it a a no amnesty guess worker program.
And and uh and a program uh from what I can tell the Pence plan, if you will, embraces the House passed bill and rejects uh amnesty that the Senate wanted in every way.
Right.
We uh we basically my proposal which is available at lots of places on the Internet in its entirety uh embraces all that we passed out of the House of Representatives last December with a couple of minor fixes that that uh the uh uh House leadership has already agreed to do.
We basically do all the tough border security again exclusively for the first two years, Paul, and then also we embrace all of the very tough employer sanctions that the House of Representatives passed.
That's to me that's the essential piece here.
Get control of the border first, put tough employer sanctions on the books that will drive people into a process of deporting themselves to go to these privately run, what I call Paul, Ellis Island centers uh outside the United States of America.
Well I I want to uh learn a bit more about that Representative Mike Pence with us a Republican from Indiana, chairman of the Republican study uh committee on this this idea that uh that you are going to ask that all twelve million of these illegal uh immigrants actually leave the country and then come back.
How in the world can that be done?
Well I think it can be done first and foremost if we uh uh if we use the private sector to do it.
You know I I'm not endorsing any companies but that great uh Troy Michigan company called Kelly Services comes to mind.
You know that's been making the rounds on the uh on the internet the Kelly services program.
Well sorry about that.
I Kelly Services great company uh that puts uh hundreds of thousands of Americans into jobs every year Monsieur is another great company but you but the idea here is that you would go to people that it literally place millions of Americans in jobs every year and you would say look we want you to bid on the right to run these centers.
Now the Department of Homeland Security would still oversee it, the Justice Department would still do all the background checks, the State Department would still issue the visas but I think it's a powerful idea.
You know, Paul, the free enterprise system kind of got us into this mess.
We ought to look to the free enterprise system to help us get out of it by administering and managing this private placement program outside the United States at these Ellis Island centers.
Well and and I'm glad that you recognize the fact that we do have to hold employers responsible.
These twelve million people did not just come over here and then find jobs.
They came over here for jobs that were looking for them.
And we have to be aware of that.
We also have to be aware that these are low paying jobs that I I'm not so certain that the people who hire these people are going to hold that place for them, hold that position while they go through a whole process of leaving the country and then petitioning to come back then coming back.
And what about the I don't know how many two or three million at least children of these illegals that were born in America that are now American citizens.
Right.
I think you make a great point on the on on referencing whether or not people would hold jobs and and I want to make it very clear.
You know we we just simply are uh committed to saying w if we needed a guess worker pro after we've got border security done Paul we need to set up a new guess worker program, but we have to do it without amnesty.
And what we say to uh employers and the people who are in this country I want you I want you I want you to hold that thought because I want to hear what you say to employers and to people who hire those people who are here illegally and to the people who are here illegally.
I want you to be able to say that here with plenty of time.
And I want our callers to be a part of it at 1-800-282-2882.
You may have a question or two coming up here that will be very useful and very important, something that hasn't come up.
If you've wondered aloud why people haven't asked this question, it's your opportunity to ask this question of Congressman Mike Pence with his efforts to fashion a compromise between the House and Senate.
the White House on immigration reform.
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Stay with us.
Thanks, Johnny Donovan.
A pleasure and a privilege to be with you on the Rush Limbaugh program at one-eight hundred-two eight two two eight eighty two one eight hundred two eight two twenty-eight eighty-two to your calls in just a moment.
Congressman Mike Pence is with us, a Republican from Indiana, and uh talking about his efforts to fashion a compromise between the House and Senate and the White House on immigration reform.
You were about to say uh something about the uh the companies that have in fact hired these illegals and also uh the fact that if we send these illegals back, if those jobs will be held for them or exactly how you think this is going to work out.
The onus really is on on an individual in the United States uh who is uh uh here outside the color of the law.
The what what uh what the Pence plan essentially contemplates, Paul, is that we would say to anyone in our country illegally that look uh the only way that you can be in the United States uh of America.
Um the only way you can gain access is legally.
And uh the way you do that is by applying outside the United States of America for the legal right to be here.
And so the onus is on that individual.
If they want to get right with the law, we would create a new system where they can leave the country and apply at these privately run Ellis Island centers.
If they choose not to do that uh after a certain period of time, uh as the House uh passed bill includes, there are very tough sanctions for their employers.
And I expect uh with those disincentives, these jobs would dry up for illegal immigrants uh in fairly short order.
There are those who would argue that the only reason that those jobs don't pay enough to get Americans to take the jobs is because there are non-Americans who are willing to take the jobs, and if the jobs became available, they would have to pay more and they'd hire more Americans for the jobs.
On the other side, uh the agriculture the folks, the farming folks and everybody uh who would use illegal immigrants oftentimes say that they'd be in big trouble because they couldn't afford to pay a better wage.
It goes back and forth.
Uh but uh I do want to go back to the one and and we want to get to the callers here at 1-800-282-2882 on the Rush Limbaugh program.
But Congressman, what about uh the three million or so U.S. born children uh born to these illegal immigrants that are now American citizens?
We can't possibly we can't ask them to abandon their children and and and not so sure that it's so easy for them to take them back.
Remember how many of these people got here.
Many of them uh got here by cover of night, uh going running through fields, uh uh paying smugglers, risking their lives to come to these United States.
Well, that's exactly right.
It's it's uh and and those American-born children are since the Supreme Court decision in 1898, Paul, as you know, those uh American-born children are Americans.
And there is uh would be no legal basis.
Uh, we don't want to do this to fellow Americans.
Right.
And and here's but here's the point.
Uh that one of the appealing things about having uh private sector firms that can do the do the confirming employment uh uh uh do a background check, get a health screening done.
My my proposal contemplates from the time an an applicant walked into an Ellis Island Center outside the United States to when they could be cleared for a guest worker visa would take, you know, but three to five days.
And so instead of asking an individual to leave behind a job and maybe dependents in the United States for a year or two years, uh it could be for a matter of uh of a week or so that uh they would have to leave the country to apply in this privately run system of Ellis Island centers.
It doesn't seem to me to be too much to ask uh an individual whose first act in this country was a violation of the law.
It's is not too much to ask them to to leave our country and apply outside of our country for the legal right to be here.
And then applying why I call it no amnesty guest worker.
Yeah, and and then eventually one would presume applying for citizenship or permanent residency, would you uh under your plan, the Pence plan, increase the quota?
Well what I would say certainly we have a backlog in in a couple of different areas of official and only about five thousand spots I think for unskilled workers a year with visas and green cards and the rest.
Let me say emphatically though, there's no path to citizenship in the Pence plan.
And I I I see the Senate bill as an amnesty bill first because they allow people to pay a fine and get right with the law, but second because they contemplate that if you become a guest worker in this country under the Senate bill, you're on an automatic path to citizenship.
My view is that once people leave the country and apply for the legal right to be here that they ought to have, you know, just like anybody else have the opportunity to apply for permanent status or citizenship.
But we shouldn't make that automatic, Paul.
Right.
I think there's real evidence that an awful lot of folks, particularly the nearly half of this population that that uh live and work around our border states actually do just want to be guests here.
And if we gave them a legitimate way to come and go to contribute to the economy, to earn a living and but to go back home uh that they would do just that.
So no automatic path to citizenship but at the same time no barrier to people who get right with the law by applying outside the country to apply like anybody else.
All right let's see what some of our fellow students of the Limbaugh Institute for advanced conservative studies have on their minds.
1-800-282-2882, 1-800-282-2882, the Rush Limbaugh program with Congressman Mike Pence.
I'm Paul W. Smith, and it is Jim's turn from Lincoln, Nebraska.
Jim, welcome to the Rush Limbaugh program.
Thank you very much.
I got two things.
One is uh the first question is how are you proposing to close the border?
Because I understand that thirty percent of the people incarcerated in the United States are illegal aliens.
And what are we going to do with them?
But I don't want to send them back if our borders aren't secure.
Yeah let me uh let me respond that uh uh under my proposal uh we embrace all of the border security measures Jim that were passed by the House of Representatives in December in the Border Protection Anti-Terrorism uh immigration control act that's a port of entry inspectors uh end the policy of catch and release use American technology for unmanned aerial vehicles and of course seven hundred miles uh of a security fence along our southern border.
What we added in though, Jim was we said look under my proposal uh uh Congress would say to the administration uh you have to spend the first two years implementing specifically all the elements of this border security plan and then at the end of that two years you have to certify to Congress uh that these uh border security measures have been substantially completed as Congress designated before the first Ellis Island
Center outside the United States before the first no amnesty guess worker visa is issued so that's the criteria but you can look at our proposal and know that that all the border protection security measures that pass the House of Representatives are in our bill.
That's a very important point it's point number one in your uh in your plan, the Pence plan, border security, getting that fixed.
And let's face it, the problem in 1986, part of it of course was Congress uh didn't create a fund uh uh and did not come up with a viable enforcement system.
And that's what we need first before we do anything else.
Well, there's no question, Paul.
1986, with granting amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants is kind of what got us here today.
But I think it was about two weeks ago I spent nearly an hour in the Oval Office with the president and Vice President Cheney.
And the point that I made to them was that from my perspective as a conservative in the Congress of the United States, as a Hoosier serving in Washington, D.C., is that we have to put border security first.
and we have to certify to the american people have uh that that we have completed the border security measures before the very first no amnesty guess worker visa can be issued and I also made the point that I I in my way of thinking if you can get right with the law if you're an illegal immigrant and you can get right with the law without having to leave the United States that's amnesty.
But if you leave the country and apply outside the United States at one of these Ellis Island centers for the legal right to work in our country for a two year period of time from my perspective that doesn't include amnesty and I made both the points to the president and the vice president uh in the Oval Office.
Let's uh check in quickly with Bob in Roswell, Georgia.
Bob, you're on the Rush Limbaugh program.
I'm Paul W. Smith, you're with Congressman Mike Pence.
Bob go ahead.
Thanks for taking my call.
I was one of the lucky ones that got through but let me tell you what twenty million Rush Limbaugh listeners are screaming at their radios right now.
They're screaming it's not gonna happen.
There those eleven million aren't gonna leave this country and if we can't deport them now, if we can't find them and round them up now, what are we going to do two years from now when we f suddenly decide well they didn't go well I'm on the edge of my seat for the answer and we're gonna get it up next from Congressman Mike Pence right here on the Rush Limbaugh program.
I'm Paul W. Smith.
The EIB network the Rush Limbaugh program I'm Paul W. Smith in for Rush on this Friday.
Rush is back in the chair on Monday, thank goodness for that Congressman Mike Pence is here and on the hot seat right now and Bob calling from Roswell, Georgia saying he's representing about forty million Rush Limbaugh listeners who are screaming at their radio, Congressman Wait a minute, wait a minute it ain't gonna happen twelve million illegals are not all of a sudden going to become law abiding citizens and decide to follow the letter of the law, leave to come back and we're not gonna get them what then?
Well, let me say, with great respect to Bob, I think it is going to happen.
I think if we spend the first two years doing exclusively border security and setting up private placement offices, we'll call Ellis Island Centers, run by the private sector, we educate people about the opportunity to go home and apply outside the country for the legal right to be here.
And we also educate employers about the huge sanctions and fines that they will be facing if they have anyone in their employ after a certain period of time that doesn't hold one of these no amnesty guest worker visas.
I think I think you've got a chemistry there that over time you would see people make appointments to go home and take a week or so uh to go through the process of a background check, a health screening and to have their employment confirmed but let can I say one other thing about that too Paul?
I I really do believe that we there certainly are some bad apples in every ethnic group in the country but but but let me say this I really do believe that the overwhelming majority of the people that we're talking about described as illegal immigrants are other than their violation of our immigration laws, they are good, decent, hardworking, God fearing people who would jump at the chance to get right with the law.
They just look at a failed bureaucracy today.
They look at the yawning American economy with the opportunities you described so eloquently earlier and and they don't see a coherent way uh to to be a part of it even right now to get right with the law.
I I think as we put as we close the border first we have a genuinely have a moral obligation to create a new system where people without amnesty could return home and apply for the legal right to be here.
I believe with all my heart as the grandson of one of those unskilled uh laborers who stepped onto the real Ellis Island back in nineteen twenty three I believe with all my heart that millions of people would jump at the chance to take a trip home to get right with the law.
1 800 282882 1800 282 2882 and it's Susie's turn from Springfield, Missouri on the Rush Limbaugh program, Paul W. Smith along with Congressman Mike Pence.
Susie Yes, thank you for taking my call.
And I'm glad to be able to ask a couple questions.
The first one is uh about the Ellis Island centers I know that the American taxpayers are paying billions of dollars a year to support these illegal aliens and we don't even want them here.
Um Spanish is taking over our country wait, Susie, Susie.
Somebody somebody does want them here, and we have to recognize that fact.
Somebody is putting them to work.
I'm not saying it's right.
I'm just telling you the reality is that there's twelve million jobs that they're taking.
Okay.
But they're living on my tax money, and we could be using that for border patrol for our troops, for other things for the benefit of American citizens.
That's what I'm saying.
That's what I believe.
However, okay.
I'd like to know about Ellis Island, this these Ellis Island areas, uh, what is going to be uh how that's going to be and who's going to be supporting them during this time.
And also are we Let me let me sum it up.
Let me sum it up.
The Pence plan calls for it to be handled by the private sector, not a failed government bureaucracy, and I guess that is a good question, Susie, that you're asking there among others is how's this going to get funded?
Who's going to pay for this?
How do those private sector companies who should only be doing it to make money make money?
And I want to ask him too.
If these the ones that are made ill illegal here in the United States, we have a system where we allow all the family members to come over the border too and become citizens if they have a citizen, a relative who is a citizen, a legal citizen here.
Are we going to stop that law so that we aren't just flooded with Mexicans and Biggie?
Let's see.
Well, come on now.
Let's let the uh Congressman answer because we're gonna you got a lot of questions and not a lot of time.
Yeah, uh Susie raises a great question about the cost of this.
It's one of the really great uh ideas behind this proposal, which has its origins in a Coloradan by the name of uh Helen Kriebel, who first came up with it, Paul.
Um and that is that uh the employees uh or the prospective employees, uh, instead of paying a fifteen hundred dollar fine as the Senate bill contemplates uh to the federal government for amnesty, uh they would pay a fee uh to these private placement firms to confirm or to place them in a job to to uh process a background check and to engage in a health care screening and otherwise uh administer the monitoring of their employment.
Bottom line is it doesn't this doesn't have the administration of this system is borne by the employee or emid uh the employer.
It's not borne by the American taxpayer.
I I also picked up a thought there with Susie had that I think is a profound uh point, and that is the uh what sometimes gets called the external or welfare costs associated with illegal immigration.
They are enormous.
And uh one of the proposals that's included in in this uh no amnesty guessworker idea is that that people who possess these cards uh would would in effect be barred from participating in public welfare programs, uh Paul.
They would they would not be able to come here and and essentially live off of the welfare state.
And in fact, we there would also be, and this is a idea that uh that uh emerged in uh in a good deal in the Senate, uh uh I would like to see us take a portion of their payroll taxes to offset the emergency room costs at hospitals in the I think there's twenty-three counties directly on the border and in major cities that that have huge emergency room costs related to this.
We we need uh we need to focus uh the energy in those twelve million working people on uh supporting them and supporting the public systems that support them and otherwise make sure through these this no amnesty guest worker program that they they don't become uh welfare dependent and and live off of a country of which they are not legally a part.
Final comments from Congressman Mike Pence.
It's the Pence Plan, no amnesty immigration reform.
Here on the Rush Limbaugh program, I'm Paul W. Smith.
Rush Limbaugh program, Paul W. Smith, Congressman Mike Pence's plan, and Congressman, I'll do it because I'm paid to talk fast.
The Pence Plan includes all the tough border security and employer sanctions passed by the House of Representatives, does not grant a path to citizenship of any kind, uh, does not include any form of amnesty, requires that illegal immigrants leave the country, does not favor illegal immigrants over people who have not broken our immigration laws, and you feel it will work because it relies on the private sector, not a failed government bureaucracy.
Did I sum it up?
Uh you summed it up brilliantly, Paul, no surprise uh there.
Uh what I could add is that uh the likes of uh of uh Newt Gingrich, uh Gary Bauer, uh Paul Weyrich of the Free Congress Foundation, and even Chuck Colson uh have endorsed our proposal.
I I really believe it's it is A proposal that that uh conservatives ought to take a hard look at.
We need to get control of our border.
We need to put border security first.
But I think we also need to set up a new guess worker program without an amnesty by harnessing the power of the private sector to manage a new program outside the United States.
Tough employer sanctions, tough border security, with a no amnesty guest worker program in the middle, uh I believe uh is an idea whose time has come.
Congressman, a pleasure meeting you and talking with you.
Good luck to you.
Honor to be with you, Paul.
Congressman Mike Pence here on the Rush Limbaugh program.
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