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July 12, 2006 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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July 12, 2006, Wednesday, Hour #3
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Yep, yep, yep, yep, here I am, and uh there you are, and now we know where everybody is.
Welcome uh to the program.
Rush is on vacation.
We'll be back on Monday.
I'm here uh for the remaining hour of broadcast excellence uh for today, and then back again tomorrow, unless they change the locks on the studio door, and then uh Paul W. Smith will be back on uh will be here on Friday and then rush back on Monday.
All right, I barely got a chance to uh oh this is gonna work out great.
I've got this this uh this new uh poll out about how we feel about about lying.
And it just I I I was I didn't get enough chance, I didn't I ran out of time to to really give uh proper uh information out about Novak's column today.
But Novak uh it's fascinating because there's something wrong here.
And and remember remember uh the the hubbub, the problems, the screaming, the outrage about how Ken Starr uh is uh running up the bill and uh how many more months to the weeks and days will it take for him to complete his special investigation of the Clinton administration and oh my gosh,
it's uh Well, uh here we've got uh Fitzgerald, special counsel Fitzgerald, who has uh Patrick Fitzgerald, who is um has been doing uh looking into the Valerie Plane leak for two and a half years.
Now I don't know uh if if how you would handle this, but if uh if I had a bunch of lawyers funded by the government uh with an open checkbook trying to find problems with me, I would I after two and a half years, I would think they would probably find a whole bunch of stuff.
I mean, that's a long time to dig around and root around and see what it is that you can find about somebody.
So anyway, Novak says today, look it.
He says I've cooperated the entire time.
And these published reports from he didn't say it uh from his fellow journalists, that uh he took the Fifth Amendment, he made a plea bargain.
He says all of that was untrue.
So in other words, the reporting on this hasn't been shall we say all that sternly, and in fact it's been dead wrong.
And he says for nearly the entire time, two and a half years uh that this investigation's been going on, he says for nearly the entire time of the investigation, Fitzgerald knew the identity of the sources that I used in my column back on July 14th.
Well, that's interesting.
Coming up uh this week, the uh the third anniversary of the column.
And uh he says he d how Fitzgerald knows was independent of me.
I didn't tell him.
He said Fitzgerald did not indict any of my of these sources that I used, even though he knew who they were, and it may indicate that none of them violated the Intelligence Identities Protection Act.
What?
Nobody did anything wrong?
Why they there must be something in here that uh somewhere, somebody did something wrong.
We gotta work.
Keep going there, old Pat Fitzgerald.
You gotta find something.
He says uh journalists have badgered me to disclose my role in the case, and he says I promised I would discuss my role in the investigation when permitted by the prosecution, and I do so now.
In other words, the prosecution has said, well, there's nothing that you did that was wrong.
There you told uh no lies.
Uh in fact, uh and then we go over to Carl Rove.
Oh, Carl Rove is gonna burn baby burn.
They were gonna hang him from a tree right out in front of the White House.
He was toast they fire that man.
Get him out of there.
He needs to be fired.
Oh.
It turns out where Carl Rove also told the truth, and funny how Carl Rove's version that before the grand jury and before this special counsel happened to be almost perfect with the uh in line with the uh the other stories that everybody else was telling independently to the to the special prosecutor.
Why, that must mean that he was telling the truth.
Because if you tell the truth, you don't have to remember what you said, all you gotta do is just remember to the best of your recollection what happened.
So he's going through this whole thing.
And uh remember they've tapped uh they've tapped uh Scooter Libby with perjury and with lying to the FBI.
That, ladies and gentlemen, gets totally distracted by all the issues about who said what to whom, who outed whom, uh, all those things.
It really comes down to did Scooter Libby tell an FBI agent something that wasn't true?
And that's what Patrick Fitzgerald is coming up with is the only uh that's his that's it so far.
It looks like that's gonna be about it, and the question, it's very questionable how he's even going to get that.
It's very questionable how he's even going to get that through a court, because there's uh there's some questions that that still need to be answered.
And as far as who is lying, there's no question, even the Senate Intelligence Committee who did a big, big, big study on this whole thing, they came out and they said Joe Wilson, well, he wasn't telling us the truth.
So who was lying?
And somehow they got Scooter Libby as the liar instead of Joe Wilson as the liar.
And the other thing is is that uh uh Novak said, Look at I had three sources.
Uh two of them senior Bush administration officials, and the third one was an unspecified CIA source.
And he's uh he says, I'm not gonna disclose uh who the third one was, but he's naming the the other two.
But he says that um he sought out a CIA spokesman for confirmation because Novak says, I learned Valerie Playm's name from Joe Wilson's entry in his who's who in America.
Isn't that who's who in America thinks something you anybody can be in if you send them money?
I think it's one of those deals where you can be a who's who.
So there's a little um, shall we say, ego issue going on here, I think.
And he says, I considered his wife's role in initiating Wilson's mission to Africa, later confirmed by the Senate Intelligence Committee to be a previously undisclosed part of an important news story, so I reported it on that basis.
So it's um it it's it's you'll have to read, you can Google it's under Human Events Online, uh Novak writes about the piece today.
In American thinker, there is uh a column today by uh Claris Feldman, and he says, Well, now that Novak has spoken, there are several new questions that come up.
If the special prosecutor, Fitzgerald knew by January of 2004 who the leaker was, and it wasn't Libby and it wasn't Rove, then why did he later call them to testify unless it was some sort of angling to see if he could figure out a way to get them?
Was it simply to determine whether he could trap them into making some sort of perjury statement?
Another question.
If Fitzgerald knew by January twelfth of two thousand four who the leaker was, and it wasn't Libby, then why in August of 2004, eight months later, did he represent to the court that the uh New York Times reporter's testimony was essential to determine whether or not Louis Libby had committed crimes.
Another question.
If Fitzgerald, if Patrick Fitzgerald has known since January twelfth, two thousand four the name of the leaker, why is he still protecting the leaker?
And why is he treating the leaker's source, who is almost certainly Mark Grossman, former undersecretary of state for political affairs, the man reportedly the source for the first accusations against Libby and Rove, as uh how's he why is he treating him as an impartial witness to the events?
And uh Fellman says, in the discovery process, it turns out that Grossman was a longtime friend of Joe Wilson, dating to their college days at the University of California, Santa Barbara, as it un is it likely the famous prosecutor missed that that fact.
And finally, he says, I got one more question.
What role exactly did former Deputy Attorney General Comey, who set up this extra statutory appointment of his friend Pat Fitzgerald, play in steering Fitzgerald toward the mistaken notion that Libby was lying, not Wilson or the CIA.
How hard did his office work to ascertain the truth of the essential elements?
That plaim was covert and that there had been uh harm to the national security in the disclosure of her name when the prosecutor fudged those issues.
At least in the indictment in the press conference announcing it, and has since backed off those claims at all.
Was that office simply trying to hamstring the vice president's office?
Did the statement of Congressman Hoekstra, who, by the way, as we know, is uh, you know, he's given President Bush a hard time right now on other matters, so he's no big uh uh lackey for the for the White House.
Did the statement of Congressman Hoakstra, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee reveal in the revealed in the New York Times to the effect that the plain case was set up by an anti administration click in the CIA?
Did any of that finally persuade Fitzgerald that he's been badly misled into indicting an innocent man?
I'll tell you who who's uh going to be indicted in this whole thing is Patrick Fitzgerald.
I he's gonna he's gonna run the Libby thing because that's all he's got.
But I I I don't know how far it's going to get.
It looks like it's on pretty weak legal grounds.
Phone number if you want to chime in, is uh 800 28282.
My name is Tom Sullivan.
This is the Rush Limbaugh Radio Program.
Welcome back.
Tom Sullivan in for uh Rush.
I'll be back uh tomorrow, and uh Paul W. Smith from uh WJR will be here on Friday, and then rush back on Monday.
So the Novak uh story finally comes around full circle, and the more that we learn about this, the more I I'm not a lawyer, but I'm looking at this and going, you don't have to be a lawyer to understand that there's a big gap here.
A big, big big gap, and you go, how did how did after two and a half years, this isn't look like it's very strong.
Rick in uh Grand Rapids, Michigan.
Hello, Rick, you're on the Rush Limbaugh program.
Oh, thanks for getting to me.
Uh you bet how are you day, Tom?
Uh good.
Well, I was listening to what you were saying there about the prosecutor knowing certain things and trying to get uh somebody in a perjury trap and on and on.
It sounds quite reminiscent of what uh Ken Starr did to Bill Clinton, doesn't it?
Uh how soon, how so?
How does it go?
I don't I don't compare them.
Well, you have to because Mr. Starr, when he testified before Congress, admitted that he knew that Clintons were not guilty of anything in Whitewater, and he continued to search and search and search and finally found out he was having a liaison with an intern.
And so if they got Mr. Libby on a perjury charge which had nothing to do with the underlying case, that appears to be the way prosecutors uh act, whether they're Democrats or Republicans or whether they're going after uh Republican.
But think back for a minute, though, Rick, because the the the reason why I see lots of I understand how you can associate them because special prosecutors, and by the way, I also find it kind of uh humorous how whenever a special prosecutor is going after one party, the other party has a cow about it, but they don't when they're when the tables get turned.
Uh that's not what you're doing, is it?
No, I'm I'm I'm la I'm thinking, well, wait a minute, how can this possibly be that where's the screaming on this one?
We had all the screaming before, and everybody's silent about this one.
But here is the here is the nut of the difference between what Ken Starr did and what Patrick Fitzgerald has done.
Patrick Fitzgerald, after two and a half years, has a very weak case trying to find uh some sort of perjury for uh Scooter Libby, when in fact the guy who lied and has been documented in the Senate Intelligence Committee is um is Joe Wilson.
And on the other side, when you then go to the other column and look back at Ken Starr in the Whitewater investigation, there's I think three volumes uh of books that I have on Whitewater, and if you go back, Ken Starr got twelve convictions and had twenty-four indictments, people went to jail, including the former governor of Arkansas.
I mean, there was crime all over the place on that Whitewater deal.
But it had to be a good thing.
That was that was dirty as can be.
But it had nothing to do with Bill Clinton.
Uh Bill Clinton, they they they obviously the ports uh did not find anything to point to Bill Clinton when it came to Whitewater, but boy, there was smoke all around him, and I don't know about you, but I don't have twenty-four friends that have ever been indicted, let alone two.
But but here's but here's the real question, Tom.
Why would anybody in the Bush administration and why would Bob Novak even print that Miss Plain or anybody else was a CIA agent unless they were I don't know if you watched Joe Scarborough last night at M SNBC Joe's a pretty conservative Republican, and he says he finds it hard to believe that this was just an honest mistake.
No, it wasn't a mistake.
If you read Novak's column today, he lays it out and it's the very last paragraph.
It's a it's a two sentence paragraph.
He said, I considered his wife's role in initiating Wilson's mission, later confirmed by the Senate Intelligence Committee to be a previously undisclosed part of an important news story.
I reported it on that basis.
That's why he said it.
That's why he did it, and he got the name from Joe Wilson's entry in Who's Who's in America, Who's Who in America.
So I you don't think this was a dirty trick aimed at the uh at the Wilsons.
Uh I think it was no, I think it was Bob Novak digging over who is this guy and and how did he wind up with this uh uh trip to Niger.
I actually think it's quite puzzling that Mr. Novak did this too, because actually he was opposed to this war, and I guess he still is to some extent.
Yeah, so it's puzzling.
Which which gives it even more credibility that he would take a look at this whole thing and say, unless somebody talked to Bob and said get back on the reservation, you know, you gotta come on, you gotta remember.
I dunno I gotta tell you, you know, Novak's been around too long to let somebody tell him to get back on the reservation.
I don't b I don't believe that.
I th I don't know the man, but my impression of him is uh you s you see these old uh news reels of uh meet the press from thirty years ago.
Here's Bob Novak.
They d the one when Lloyd Benson died, they had a look back at when Lloyd Benson was on the program one time on Meet the Press, and there's Novak.
It's one of the questioners, big dark hair.
He had hair and there was dark.
I mean, he's been around a long time, and I got the impression he's not gonna let anybody push him around.
No, in fact, he's he's been very critical of uh Republicans as well.
I used to watch him on Capitol Gang all the time and crossfire.
And I think he even though I'm a liberal, I thought he was a pretty pretty uh honest conservative, but I think he'd really did something bad here.
Well what what?
Well, why would you even you know, even if it's a question that you know about a CIA agent who nobody knows about, and then you're gonna print the name, I mean, if it I mean flip it around.
What if a liberal columnist had done that?
Well, uh no, uh, but but here's again the difference is that if if he had put uh his wife's name out there and he was the one that was running around uh giving all the news conferences and and all you gotta do is look under Joe Wilson's who's who in America, and there's his wife's name.
W he's thinking, well, I guess it's already public.
I I don't know, we'd have to talk to Novak.
But I I understand your point, Rick, but this doesn't compare to Ken Starr.
Ken Starr found some real bad guys and put him in jail.
A lot of them.
Twenty-four.
So it's I I think it's uh a huge difference.
Bill in uh Pittsburgh.
Bill, hi, you're on the Rush Limbaugh program.
Hi, how are you this afternoon?
I'm doing great, sir.
Um I'm listening to your conversation.
I just turned on the radio, and and I keep concerned why nationally we keep doing this kabuki dance.
Valerie Plain was the covert agent.
I mean, the sh it wasn't she wasn't outed.
I mean, this is it's ridiculous that this conversation continues.
I know.
That's that's my point too.
I think it's totally ridiculous.
This whole story should never it's a non-story.
It is a non story.
The mainstream media keeps making into a story.
Uh with Bob Novak and and and his sources, etcetera, et cetera, et cetera.
You know why you know why?
Because they thought they had a gotcha.
They thought they had a gotcha, and it's turning out that they they have nothing.
And they wanted they wanted Rove hanging by a tree out on Pennsylvania Avenue.
Well, I thank you for your time.
I just had to get that off my chest because it's it it drives me insane.
Uh you're not alone.
I'm I feel the same way, Bill, I'll tell you.
Um James, uh let's get that after the after the bottom.
I want to come back and I want to do uh this poll that is out, and it's about uh No, I didn't plan it this way, but it seems like it fits right here.
There's uh Associated Press Ipsos poll on public attitudes about lying.
And it's based on uh talking to a thousand people, so they say it's statistically appropriate and everything else anyway.
That it's it's it's kind of uh eye-opening and it's also kind of humorous because there are people that say there's no way you can't lie.
Lying is never justified, and yet then they turn around and say, well, except for the following situation.
So I'll give you some of the situations and we'll talk about when it's okay to lie or not when we come back.
Phone number is 800-282-2882.
My name is Tom Sullivan.
This is the Rush Limbaugh Radio Program.
Yep, that's where I am right here, and uh Rush will be back on Monday.
So um so I I uh listening to uh uh a uh show last night uh the uh on our big affiliate here in Los Angeles, KFI, and uh they're talking about this poll that came out about about lying.
And uh it was it was very humorous because uh John Ziggler, who is uh the host of the program, he has uh a woman that works with him.
I don't know if she does the news or part of the program, but anyway, they were talking back and forth about this poll about lying, and uh and this woman is she fit perfect along this whole thing because this this line survey uh says that people, oh no, we do not think that there is any time that it is justified to lie in any way, shape, or form.
And uh and and uh 52% of them said it is never justified ever to lie in any way, shape or form.
But sixty-five percent of those same people said, well, sometimes it's okay.
If if you uh if you want to avoid hurting someone's feelings.
So this woman says, uh says, yes, oh I know that lying is horrible.
I can't stand it.
Why people are lying, it drives me nuts.
So uh Ziegler asked her, uh, you ever lie?
Oh, yeah, I do.
So it was right down the same line.
And he said, What do you lie about?
My age.
Women, she says, have to lie about their age.
You have to lie about your age in business, you have to lie about it in in in relationships, you have to lie about your age, and uh and and uh was it weight?
I think weight was the other one.
And what's uh what's the old joke?
What's the old joke about does this make my rear end look big?
And the answer is always no, dear.
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter what you're thinking, the answer is always of course not, dear.
You look fabulous.
So here's this here's this big survey that they did, Associated Press Ipsos about uh about our attitudes about lying.
And um Associated Press uh national writer Jocelyn Novak went out and did a little survey and went out and found some people to talk to, and she found somebody.
I love this.
I love what do you what do you get?
I want to have a title like this.
Noted ethics columnist, Randy Cohen.
I want to be a noted ethics columnist.
In any case, I don't know how you do that, but he says, I'm a big fan of lying.
What?
He's an ethics columnist, and he's in uh he's all in favor of lying.
And he says, uh, and he brings up the if your spouse says, Do they look fat, the answer is and it works both ways.
I mean, guys are sucking their guts in and and uh asking the wife, Well, is this make well, of course not, dear.
You look like Mr. Studd.
Of course you do.
So uh and and so this noted ethics columnist says uh anything else would be cruel.
But then I can't believe this guy is a noted ethics columnist because he goes on to to put a caveat on it.
He says, he says, uh so you're out someplace and you're going to an award ceremony, and the question is asked.
Uh does this make me look fat?
And the answer obviously is always, of course not.
He says, if you're still in the hotel room, a suggestion of a different outfit might be appropriate.
No.
No.
Randy Cohen, you are no longer A noted ethics columnist, you can't possibly have that as an answer.
The answer is no.
It doesn't make you look fat.
Period.
End of story, no more about it.
He says every lie has its cost.
One is credibility.
No kidding.
No, I mean, I, you know, there are some people with a serious problem, and everybody knows that they lie about everything.
They become grand lies.
But uh so I don't know if there's something that it's okay to lie about.
But uh because I, you know, you're if if you're like me, your first reaction is no, lying is you cannot be a liar.
You can't lie because then you can't remember what you what you said.
You just gotta always tell the truth.
But then you come up with these questions that are in here that are well, let me see.
Here's the question here's the questionnaire that they put out.
Um I'm going to read you a list of situations when people sometimes lie.
For each one, please tell me whether you think lying in that situation is often okay.
Sometimes okay or never okay.
So the first question is how about lying in order to avoid hurting someone's feelings?
And so I I gotta tell you, I'm raising my hand, I'm going, yeah, you don't want to hurt people's feelings.
So no, I'm I've I've I've not I've not said what I thought to avoid hurting someone's feelings.
All right, here's another one.
Exaggerating the facts to make the story more interesting.
Never in talk radio.
Are you kidding me?
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Uh a parent lying to a child about the parents' past misbehavior.
Mommy, mommy, did you ever smoke pot?
No.
Never.
Lying about one's age.
This woman says, oh yeah, she's lied about her age for ten years.
And uh in this survey, sixty-three percent about age said never.
It's never okay to lie about your age.
32% said sometimes okay, and five percent said uh often okay.
All right, here's another one.
Lying about being sick to take the day off work.
I have I am not lying.
I have never called in sick when I wasn't dead dog sick.
I mean, never.
I I don't know why.
I just I was taught to have a strong work ethic, and I still do.
Uh lying on a resume.
Oh, you're nuts if you do this.
This is a big response, 88% said uh never okay.
But I love I love the not sure.
One percent went, uh I don't know.
Uh is it?
Uh I don't know.
Lying to one's spouse or partner about an affair.
Ooh.
Ooh.
Ninety percent say never okay.
We still got the one percent of the uh I don't know.
I don't know.
I what would happen?
What would I what?
Uh cheating on one's taxes.
Uh depends on the situation.
93%.
Good for good for this.
Is this great?
It gives you uh hope that there's ethics in this country.
93% said never okay to cheat on your taxes.
Uh I know you IRS agents that are listening are laughing right now.
Uh how do you feel uh how often do you feel you have to lie or cheat?
Even just a little.
Uh this gets a little bit different.
Never is only 39%.
So the majority say 52% said rarely.
But that means depends upon the situation.
And uh thinking about this past week.
Oh my, we could probably do it over the past 24 hours.
Uh thinking about the past week, do you think you might have told a lie?
And uh 79% said no.
I'm I'm uh none in the last week no.
But we they're lying, I know.
And but don't worry.
Mr. You know who is still there.
One percent goes, I don't know.
I don't know.
What was the most recent lie you told, even if even if it was just a small one?
Oh uh and whom did you tell the lie to?
The biggest response, 51% a friend or family member.
Fourteen percent to a coworker, two percent to a client or customer, and uh well, twenty-five percent aren't sure in this one.
So lying uh is uh it's uh my reaction was no, you can't lie.
Lying's just probably one of the worst flaws of a character you can possibly have until they start laying it out this way.
And a lot of people go, oh, I guess maybe uh, you know, tell them I'm not in.
Tell them I'm on the other line.
James in uh Santa Fe, Texas.
Hello, James, you're on the Rush Limbaugh program with Tom Sullivan.
Thank you, Mr. Sullivan for taking my call.
You bet.
I'm one of those who uh personally believe that all lying is wrong, and I wanted to make a comment about uh lying in the workplace.
Yeah.
Uh I I think it's very hypocritical and very wrong that many employers uh will require that you lie to their customers, whether they're in the office or not, or that sort of thing, but they respect they expect perfect honesty from you.
I find that very often.
I think that's that's pretty bad.
What happened?
You sound like somebody if somebody wanted you to lie to their customer.
Yeah, that sort of thing.
Uh you do.
What'd you do?
What what'd they say?
What'd you do?
Well, I avoided the situation as much as possible.
But uh I've seen it happen before about it.
Well as much as possible, but uh as much as possible means in other words it happens.
I let another co-worker take care of it or something like that.
Oh, I see.
Yeah, needless to say I did not lie to a customer.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
But I think that's very wrong.
I mean, I'm honest with regard to my money and stuff and all that sort of things.
Uh I don't take from my boss, and yet he he'll he expects other that sort of thing from other people.
Why don't you go work for somebody else?
Yeah, well, actually I'm working two jobs right now myself.
Well, quit one and find another.
Yeah, don't if you don't respect the person that you work for or with, then it's time to go.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, it's not too bad, but uh but I I find examples of that everywhere with my brother's uh jobs.
I mean, it goes on everywhere.
Aren't there degrees of this, for example, uh, you know, you're really busy, you're in the middle of a project, you can't, you know, you can't you got a deadline and somebody's calling and and you don't want to tell them I can't talk to you because I've got a project I'm working on, you make up some sort of excuse, isn't that?
Exactly.
Isn't that lying?
Yes, it's it's it's pure lying, and that's wrong, and it's certainly not a way to build a business.
How about hurting somebody's feelings?
Well, I would honesty comes first.
And and if the person can't trust you, then uh I mean if you if you're gonna lie to that person can't trust you, and that'll really hurt their feelings if they find out.
Are you married?
No, I'm not, but I plan on getting married.
Yeah.
All right, well, go find uh go find uh another boss to work for.
I think you lost respect for this one, so that's my recognition.
All right, thank you, Mr. Sullivan.
That's my two cents, you bet.
That's the truth, too.
We'll be right back.
Tom Sullivan sitting in on the Rush Limbaugh radio program.
Oh, you can't believe the stories uh going on here at the EIB network of uh So yeah, so on your, you know, you see somebody you want to meet and you go up and say, Well, I find you uh fascinating.
You don't even know the person.
It's a lie right from the right from the get-go.
Uh I gotta tell you, uh you know, one of the things I don't know for uh this audience if you have a real sense of me.
I know my uh my audience in California does, but uh because I've been doing it a long time, but I but I my real job is I run an investment firm and in the investment business, you can't lie.
You gotta be straight.
I mean, you that's how people get in trouble.
I still go back to the Enron story.
I've seen people do this.
They are afraid to tell the truth when something doesn't work, when some but something's going down rather than up.
And that's what Kenley, and that's what Jeffrey Skilling did was they did not come out and say, oops.
For fifteen years this company's been doing great, but now, oh man, we're losing money.
They didn't they wouldn't say it.
They they they fixed and cooked the books.
And look what happened.
Sean in uh Jonesboro, Georgia.
Hi, Sean, you're on the Rush Limbaugh program with Tom Sullivan.
Hi, Tom, thanks.
Uh I was having a below average day and decided to take my call and made it all worthwhile.
Oh, great, good.
That's And that's the truth.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I wanted to tell you that it's a perfectly reasonable thing to uh lie to your wife if she says, Well, this make me look fat.
Um you can really get in a lot of trouble.
And and the the previous caller wasn't married, and that was obvious.
Well, that's why I I've, you know, I don't even think he's had a second date if you if it's it literally.
Well, what what you can do though, uh, and this works, I've tried it, honey, uh, and you know because you're listening, but but uh you can deflect it.
Politicians do this, and just push to this with the with the immigration bill.
Uh but what you can do is you can say, honey, I don't like that color, or or stripes don't look good on you.
Or you know it's just not your color.
And uh, and that's a perfectly good way to deflect a dangerous question.
Do it, politicians do it.
And and really, Bill Clinton was the best ever at it.
Yeah.
Well slick Willie didn't Slick Willie didn't get the didn't get the name slick for nothing.
No, he was he's about as good as you can get as far as being slick.
So well, uh my wife uh and I have a have a running joke.
Uh her father uh actually told me this.
He says, You want to have a long, happy marriage.
He says, when your wife comes home from having her hair done, you just tell her, that's a ten, baby.
That's a ten.
You just it doesn't matter what what it looks like, you tell her it's a ten.
It does, and and you know what?
She'll be happy as can be.
That's advice from my father-in-law, who gave me lots of great advice.
So John, thanks.
I'm glad to uh have helped make your day a little bit better.
Deanne in uh Richmond, Virginia.
Hi, Deanne.
Not close enough, it's Dean.
Oh, Dean, I'm sorry.
I mean called the case.
I can't I can't read.
Don't lie to me.
Uh it's a sad fact of this country that social lying is kind of an accepted truth.
Just like in uh telling somebody you're gonna be somewhere at a certain time and you don't show up to 15 minutes, 30 minutes later.
You've lied to that person by not being on time.
If that was your plan.
Well, if but if but if you just if you just got in traffic or something, I mean that's not lying.
Yes, but salespeople are the are the best at uh one of the best, like politicians at creating uh storytelling.
Uh yeah, yeah, so it depends.
But I but I I I go back again.
See, in the investment business, the only thing you have to sell is trust.
Exactly.
I mean you you can get you can get your your uh your stocks and bonds anywhere, but trust is is critical, and I think the best salesmen and the best politicians are the ones who are well we were talking about earlier in the program, straight talking, honest people.
Even if you don't agree with them, you respect them.
And and and I I don't know why politicians always you see this all the time.
There'll there'll be some politician who says something, and there's a big ruckus about it.
And and so what happens is they run out the spokesperson, and the spokesperson says, Well, Senator Fogbottom meant to say, or what he meant to, you know, and I'm going, no.
He, you know, be honest.
Come out, say what you want to say, and take the consequences if somebody doesn't like it.
But I mean, come on, we learned from the time we were children, you can't make everybody happy all the time.
You can make some people happy some of the time.
That's as good as it's gonna get.
You gotta lie to do the rest of it, and I don't think it's worth it.
But I appreciate your call.
Thanks, Dean from Richmond.
We'll be back.
Tom Sullivan sitting in on the Rush Limbaugh radio program.
Welcome back, uh Tom Sullivan in for Rush.
I'm gonna be back again tomorrow, and that's the uh that's a promise and uh threat and uh the truth.
And Paul W. Smith on Friday and then rushes back after a well-deserved uh week's vacation.
He'll be back on on Monday.
We've been talking about this uh lying business, and uh yeah, it's one of these things where I think if if people especially in sales and politics and business and any part of life, it's just so much easier, and people can detect it and they can tell, and your credibility means nothing once they find out that you are lying.
So uh, you know, everybody knows it, but why don't people follow it, especially some of these so-called brilliant politicians?
That'll be a uh wrap for today, and we will come back and visit with you again right here on the EIB network tomorrow.
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