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All right, I barely got a chance to, oh, this is going to work out great.
I've got this new poll out about how we feel about lying.
And it just, I didn't get enough chance.
I ran out of time to really give proper information out about Novak's column today.
But Novak is fascinating because there's something wrong here.
And remember the hubbub, the problems, the screaming, the outrage about how Ken Starr is running up the bill and how many more months to the weeks and days will it take for him to complete his special investigation of the Clinton administration.
And oh my gosh, well, here we've got Fitzgerald, special counsel Fitzgerald, who has Patrick Fitzgerald, who has been doing, looking into the Valerie Plain leak for two and a half years.
Now, I don't know how you would handle this, but if I had a bunch of lawyers funded by the government with an open checkbook trying to find problems with me, after two and a half years, I would think they would probably find a whole bunch of stuff.
I mean, that's a long time to dig around and root around and see what it is that you can find about somebody.
So anyway, Novak says today, look, he says, I've cooperated the entire time, and these published reports from, he didn't say it, from his fellow journalists, that he took the Fifth Amendment, he made a plea bargain.
He says all of that was untrue.
So in other words, the reporting on this hasn't been, shall we say, all that sterling.
In fact, it's been dead wrong.
And he says, for nearly the entire time, two and a half years that this investigation has been going on, he says, for nearly the entire time of the investigation, Fitzgerald knew the identity of the sources that I used in my column back on July 14th.
Well, that's interesting.
Coming up this week, the third anniversary of the column.
And he says how Fitzgerald knows was independent of me.
I didn't tell him.
He said, Fitzgerald did not indict any of these sources that I used, even though he knew who they were.
And it may indicate that none of them violated the Intelligence Identities Protection Act.
What?
Nobody did anything wrong?
Why, there must be something in here somewhere.
Somebody did something wrong.
We got to work.
Keep going there, old Pat Fitzgerald.
You've got to find something.
He says, journalists have badgered me to disclose my role in the case.
And he says, I promised I would discuss my role in the investigation when permitted by the prosecution, and I do so now.
In other words, the prosecution has said, well, there's nothing that you did that was wrong.
You told no lies.
In fact, and then we go over to Karl Rove.
Oh, Carl Rove is going to burn Baby Byrne.
They were going to hang him from a tree right out in front of the White House.
He was toast.
They fire that man.
Get him out of there.
He needs to be fired.
Oh, it turns out where Carl Rove also told the truth.
And funny how Carl Rove's version before the grand jury and before this special counsel happened to be almost perfect in line with the other stories that everybody else was telling independently to the special prosecutor.
Why, that must mean that he was telling the truth.
Because if you tell the truth, you don't have to remember what you said.
All you got to do is just remember to the best of your recollection what happened.
So he's going through this whole thing.
And remember, they've tapped Scooter Libby with perjury and with lying to the FBI.
That, ladies and gentlemen, gets totally distracted by all the issues about who said what to whom, who outed whom, all those things.
It really comes down to: did Scooter Libby tell an FBI agent something that wasn't true?
And that's what Patrick Fitzgerald is coming up with is the only, that's it so far.
It looks like that's going to be about it.
And the question, it's very questionable how he's even going to get that.
It's very questionable how he's even going to get that through a court because there's some questions that still need to be answered.
And as far as who is lying, there's no question.
Even the Senate Intelligence Committee, who did a big, big, big study on this whole thing, they came out and they said Joe Wilson, well, he wasn't telling us the truth.
So who was lying?
And somehow they've got Scooter Libby as the liar instead of Joe Wilson as the liar.
And the other thing is, is that Novak said, look, I had three sources: two of them senior Bush administration officials, and the third one was an unspecified CIA source.
And he says, I'm not going to disclose who the third one was, but he's naming the other two.
But he says that he sought out a CIA spokesman for confirmation because Novak says, I learned Valerie Plain's name from Joe Wilson's entry in his Who's Who in America.
Isn't that who's who in America thinks something anybody can be in if you send them money?
I think it's one of those deals where you can be a who's who.
So there's a little, shall we say, ego issue going on here, I think.
And he says, I considered his wife's role in initiating Wilson's mission to Africa, later confirmed by the Senate Intelligence Committee, to be a previously undisclosed part of an important news story, so I reported it on that basis.
So you'll have to read.
You can Google it.
It's under Human Events Online.
Novak writes about the piece today.
In American Thinker, there is a column today by Claris Feldman, and he says, Well, now that Novak has spoken, there are several new questions that come up.
If the special prosecutor, Fitzgerald, knew by January of 2004 who the leaker was and it wasn't Libby and it wasn't Rove, then why did he later call them to testify unless it was some sort of angling to see if he could figure out a way to get them?
Was it simply to determine whether he could trap them into making some sort of perjury statement?
Another question.
If Fitzgerald knew by January 12th of 2004 who the leaker was and it wasn't Libby, then why in August of 2004, eight months later, did he represent to the court that the New York Times reporter's testimony was essential to determine whether or not Lewis Libby had committed crimes?
Another question.
If Fitzgerald, if Patrick Fitzgerald has known since January 12, 2004, the name of the leaker, why is he still protecting the leaker?
And why is he treating the leaker's source, who is almost certainly Mark Grossman, former Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs, the man reportedly the source for the first accusations against Libby and Rove, why is he treating him as an impartial witness to the events?
And Feldman says, in the discovery process, it turns out that Grossman was a longtime friend of Joe Wilson, dating to their college days at the University of California, Santa Barbara.
Is it likely the famous prosecutor missed that fact?
And finally, he says, I got one more question.
What role exactly did former Deputy Attorney General Comey, who set up this extra statutory appointment of his friend Pat Fitzgerald, play in steering Fitzgerald toward the mistaken notion that Libby was lying, not Wilson or the CIA?
How hard did his office work to ascertain the truth of the essential elements that plaime was covert and that there had been harm to the national security in the disclosure of her name when the prosecutor fudged those issues, at least in the indictment and the press conference announcing it, and has since backed off those claims at all?
Was that office simply trying to hamstring the vice president's office?
Did the statement of Congressman Hoekstra, who, by the way, as we know, is, you know, he's given President Bush a hard time right now in other matters, so he's no big lackey for the White House.
Did the statement of Congressman Hoekstra, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, revealed in the New York Times to the effect that the plane case was set up by an anti-administration clique in the CIA?
Did any of that finally persuade Fitzgerald that he's been badly misled into indicting an innocent man?
I'll tell you who's going to be indicted in this whole thing is Patrick Fitzgerald.
He's going to run the Libby thing because that's all he's got.
But I don't know how far it's going to get.
It looks like it's on pretty weak legal grounds.
Phone number, if you want to chime in, is 800-282-2882.
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So the Novak story finally comes around full circle.
And the more that we learn about this, the more I'm not a lawyer, but I'm looking at this and going, you don't have to be a lawyer to understand that there's a big gap here, a big, big, big gap.
And you go, how did, after two and a half years, this doesn't look like it's very strong.
Rick in Grand Rapids, Michigan.
Hello, Rick.
You're on the Rush Limbaugh program.
Oh, thanks for getting to me.
You bet.
How are you today, Tom?
Good.
Well, I was listening to what you were saying there about the prosecutor knowing certain things and trying to get somebody in a perjury trap and on and on.
It sounds quite reminiscent of what Ken Starr did to Bill Clinton, doesn't it?
How so?
How so?
I don't compare them.
You have to, because Mr. Starr, when he testified before Congress, admitted that he knew the Clintons were not guilty of anything in Whitewater, and he continued to search and search and search and finally found out he was having a liaison with an intern.
And so if they got Mr. Libby on a perjury charge, which had nothing to do with the underlying case, that appears to be the way prosecutors act, whether they're Democrats or Republicans or whether they're going after Republicans.
But think back for a minute, though, Rick, because the reason why I see lots of I understand how you can associate them because special prosecutors, and by the way, I also find it kind of humorous how whenever a special prosecutor is going after one party, the other party has a cow about it, but they don't when the tables get turned.
That's not what you're doing, is it?
No.
I'm thinking, well, wait a minute, how can this possibly be?
Where's the screaming on this one?
We had all the screaming before, and everybody's silent about this one.
But here is the nut of the difference between what Ken Starr did and what Patrick Fitzgerald has done.
Patrick Fitzgerald, after two and a half years, has a very weak case trying to find some sort of perjury for Scooter Libby, when, in fact, the guy who lied and has been documented in the Senate Intelligence Committee is Joe Wilson.
And on the other side, when you then go to the other column and look back at Ken Starr and the Whitewater investigation, there's, I think, three volumes of books that I have on Whitewater.
And if you go back, Ken Starr got 12 convictions and had 24 indictments.
People went to jail, including the former governor of Arkansas.
I mean, there was crime all over the place on that Whitewater deal.
That was dirty as can be.
But it had nothing to do with Bill Clinton.
Bill Clinton, they obviously, the courts did not find anything to point to Bill Clinton when it came to Whitewater, but boy, there was smoke all around him.
And I don't know about you, but I don't have 24 friends that have ever been indicted, let alone two.
But here's the real question, Tom.
Why would anybody in the Bush administration, and why would Bob Novak even print that Ms. Plame or anybody else was a CIA agent?
I don't know if you watched Joe Scarborough last night on MSNBC.
Joe's a pretty conservative Republican, and he says he finds it hard to believe that this was just an honest mistake.
No, it wasn't a mistake.
If you read Novak's column today, he lays it out, and it's the very last paragraph.
It's a two-sentence paragraph.
He said, I considered his wife's role in initiating Wilson's mission, later confirmed by the Senate Intelligence Committee, to be a previously undisclosed part of an important news story.
I reported it on that basis.
That's why he said it.
That's why he did it.
And he got the name from Joe Wilson's entry in Who's Who in America.
You don't think this was a dirty trick aimed at the Wilsons?
I think it was, no, I think it was Bob Novak digging over who is this guy and how did he wind up with this trip to Niger?
I actually think it's quite puzzling that Mr. Novak did this too, because actually he was opposed to this war, and I guess he still is to some extent.
Yeah, so it's puzzling.
Which gives it even more credibility that he would take a look at this whole thing and say.
Well, unless somebody talked to Bob and said, get back on the reservation, you know, you got to come on, you got to remember.
I got to tell you, you know, Novak's been around too long to let somebody tell him to get back on the reservation.
I don't believe that.
I don't know the man, but my impression of him is you see these old newsreels of Meet the Press from 30 years ago.
Here's Bob Novak.
When Lloyd Benson died, they had a look back at when Lloyd Benson was on the program one time on Meet the Press, and there's Novak as one of the questionnaires, big dark-haired.
He had hair and it was dark.
I mean, he's been around a long time, and I got the impression he's not going to let anybody push him around.
No, in fact, he's been very critical of Republicans as well.
I used to watch him on Capitol Gang all the time and crossed.
Yeah, yeah.
And even though I'm a liberal, I thought he was a pretty honest conservative, but I think he really did something bad here.
Well, what?
Well, why would you even, you know, even if there's a question that you know about a CIA agent who nobody knows about, and then you're going to print the name, I mean, if it, I mean, flip it around.
What if a liberal columnist had done that?
Well, no, but here's, again, the difference is that if he had put his wife's name out there and he was the one that was running around giving all the news conferences, and all you got to do is look under Joe Wilson's Who's Who in America, and there's his wife's name.
He's thinking, well, I guess it's already public.
I don't know.
I would have to talk to Novak.
But I understand your point, Rick, but this doesn't compare to Ken Starr.
Ken Starr found some real bad guys and put him in jail.
A lot of them.
24.
So I think it's a huge difference.
Bill in Pittsburgh.
Bill, hi, you're on the Rush Limbaugh program.
Hi, how are you this afternoon?
I'm doing great, sir.
I'm listening to your conversation.
I just turned on the radio, and I keep wondering why nationally we keep doing this kabuki dance.
Valerie Plain was the covert agent.
I mean, she wasn't outed.
I mean, this is, it's ridiculous that this conversation continues.
I know.
That's my point, too.
I think it's totally ridiculous.
This whole story should never end.
It's a non-story.
It is.
It's a non-story.
It's a story that the mainstream media keeps making into a story.
With Bob Novak and his sources, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
The story is.
You know why?
Because they thought they had a gotcha.
They thought they had a gotcha, and it's turning out that they have nothing.
And they wanted Rove hanging by a tree out on Pennsylvania Avenue.
Well, I thank you for your time.
I just had to get that off my chest because it drives me insane.
You're not alone.
I feel the same way, Bill.
I'll tell you.
James, let's get that after the bottom.
I want to come back and I want to do this poll that is out, and it's about no, I didn't plan it this way, but it seems like it fits right here.
There's an Associated Press Ipsos poll on public attitudes about lying.
And it's based on talking to a thousand people, so they say it's statistically appropriate and everything else.
Anyway, it's kind of eye-opening and it's also kind of humorous because there are people that say, there's no way you can't lie.
Lying is never justified.
And yet then they turn around and say, well, except for the following situations.
So I'll give you some of the situations and we'll talk about when it's okay to lie or not when we come back.
Phone number is 800-282-2882.
My name is Tom Sullivan.
This is the Rush Limbaugh Radio Program.
Yep, that's where I am right here.
And Rush will be back on Monday.
So I listening to a show last night on our big affiliate here in Los Angeles, KFI, and they were talking about this poll that came out about lying.
And it was very humorous because John Ziegler, who is the host of the program, he has a woman that works with him.
I don't know if she does the news or part of the program, but anyway, they were talking back and forth about this poll about lying.
And this woman, she fit perfect along this whole thing because this line survey says that people, oh, no, we do not think that there is any time that it is justified to lie in any way, shape, or form.
And 52% of them said it is never justified ever to lie in any way, shape, or form.
But 65% of those same people said, well, sometimes it's okay.
If you want to avoid hurting someone's feelings.
So this woman says, yes.
Oh, lying is horrible.
I can't stand it.
Why?
People are lying.
It drives me nuts.
So Ziegler asked her, you ever lie?
Oh, yeah, I do.
So it was right down the same line.
And he said, what do you lie about?
My age.
Women, she says, have to lie about their age.
You have to lie about your age in business.
You have to lie about it in relationships.
You have to lie about your age.
And what is it, weight?
I think weight was the other one.
And what's the old joke?
What's the old joke about, does this make my rear end look big?
And the answer is always, no, dear.
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter what you're thinking.
The answer is always, of course not, dear.
You look fabulous.
So here's this big survey that they did, Associated Press Ipsos, about our attitudes about lying.
And Associated Press national writer Jocelyn Novak went out and did a little survey and went out and found some people to talk to.
And she found somebody.
I love this.
What do you get?
I want to have a title like this.
Noted ethics columnist Randy Cohen.
I want to be a noted ethics columnist.
In any case, I don't know how you do that, but he says I'm a big fan of lying.
What?
He's an ethics columnist, and he's all in favor of lying.
And he says, and he brings up the, if your spouse says, do they look fat?
The answer is, and it works both ways.
I mean, guys are sucking their guts in and asking the wife, well, does this make, well, of course not, dear.
You look like Mr. Studd.
Of course you do.
And so this noted ethics columnist says anything else would be cruel.
But then I can't believe this guy is a noted ethics columnist because he goes on to put a caveat on it.
He says, he says, so you're out someplace and you're going to an award ceremony and the question is asked, does this make me look fat?
And the answer obviously is always, of course not.
He says, if you're still in the hotel room, a suggestion of a different outfit might be appropriate.
No, no, Randy Cohen, you are no longer a noted ethics columnist.
You can't possibly have that as an answer.
The answer is no, it doesn't make you look fat, period.
End of story, no more about it.
He says, every lie has its cost.
One is credibility.
No kidding.
You know, there are some people with a serious problem, and everybody knows that they lie about everything.
They become grand lies.
So I don't know if there's something that it's okay to lie about, because if you're like me, your first reaction is, no, lying is you cannot be a liar.
You can't lie because then you can't remember what you said.
You just got to always tell the truth.
But then you come up with these questions that are in here that are, well, let me see.
Here's the questionnaire that they put out.
I'm going to read you a list of situations when people sometimes lie.
For each one, please tell me whether you think lying in that situation is often okay, sometimes okay, or never okay.
So the first question is, how about lying in order to avoid hurting someone's feelings?
And so I got to tell you, I'm raising my hand.
I'm going, yeah, you don't want to hurt people's feelings.
So no, I've not said what I thought to avoid hurting someone's feelings.
All right, here's another one.
Exaggerating the facts to make the story more interesting.
Never.
In talk radio?
Are you kidding me?
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
A parent lying to a child about the parents' past misbehavior.
Mommy, mommy, did you ever smoke pot?
No, never.
Lying about one's age.
This woman says, oh, yeah, she's lied about her age for 10 years.
And in this survey, 63% about age said never.
It's never okay to lie about your age.
32% said sometimes okay.
And 5% said often okay.
All right, here's another one.
Lying about being sick to take the day off work.
I have, I am not lying.
I have never, ever called in sick when I wasn't dead dog sick.
I mean never.
I don't know why.
I just was taught to have a strong work ethic and I still do.
Lying on a resume.
Oh, you're nuts if you do this.
This is a big response.
88% said never okay.
But I love the not sure.
1% went, I don't know.
Is it?
I don't know.
Lying to one's spouse or partner about an affair.
Ooh.
Ooh.
90% say never okay.
We still got the 1% of the, I don't know.
I don't know.
What happened?
What would I, what?
Cheating on one's taxes.
It depends on the situation.
93%, good for, this is great.
It gives you hope that there's ethics in this country.
93% said never okay to cheat on your taxes.
I know you IRS agents that are listening are laughing right now.
How do you feel?
How often do you feel you have to lie or cheat?
Even just a little.
This gets a little bit different.
Never is only 39%.
So the majority say 52% said rarely.
But that means depends upon the situation.
And thinking about this past week, oh my, we could probably do it over the past 24 hours.
Thinking about the past week, do you think you might have told a lie?
And 79% said no.
In the last week, no.
But they're lying, I know.
But don't worry.
Mr. You know who is still there.
1% go, I don't know.
What was the most recent lie you told, even if it was just a small one?
And whom did you tell the lie to?
The biggest response, 51%, a friend or family member.
14% to a coworker, 2% to a client or customer.
And, well, 25% aren't sure in this one.
So lying is.
My reaction was, no, you can't lie.
Lying is just probably one of the worst flaws of a character you can possibly have until they start laying it out this way.
And a lot of people go, oh, I guess maybe, you know, tell them I'm not in.
Tell them I'm on the other line.
James in Santa Fe, Texas.
Hello, James.
You're on the Rush Limbaugh program with Tom Sullivan.
Thank you, Mr. Sullivan, for taking my call.
You bet.
I'm one of those who personally believe that all lying is wrong, and I wanted to make a comment about lying in the workplace.
I think it's very hypocritical and very wrong that many employers will require that you lie to their customers, whether they're in the office or not, or that sort of thing.
But they expect perfect honesty from you.
I find that very often.
I think that's pretty bad.
What happened?
You sound like somebody, if somebody wanted you to lie to their customer?
Yeah, that sort of thing.
What'd you do?
What'd they say?
What would you do?
Well, I avoided the situation as much as possible.
But I've seen it happen before.
Not as much as possible.
But as much as possible means, in other words, it's handy.
I let another co-worker take care of it or something like that.
Oh, I see.
Yeah, needless to say, I did not lie to a customer.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
But I think that's very wrong.
I mean, I'm honest with regard to my money and stuff and all that sort of things.
I don't take from my boss, and yet he expects that sort of thing from other people.
Why don't you go work for somebody else?
Yeah, well, actually, I'm working two jobs right now myself.
Well, quit one and find another.
Yeah.
If you don't respect the person that you work for or with, then it's time to go.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, it's not too bad, but I find examples of that everywhere with my brothers' jobs.
I mean, aren't there degrees of this?
For example, you know, you're really busy, you're in the middle of a project, you can't, you know, you can't, you got a deadline, and somebody's calling and you don't want to tell them, I can't talk to you because I've got a project I'm working on.
You make up some sort of excuse, isn't that?
Exactly.
Isn't that lying?
Yes, it's pure lying.
And that's wrong.
And it's certainly not a way to build a business.
How about hurting somebody's feelings?
Well, honesty comes first.
And if the person can't trust you, then if you're going to lie to that person can't trust you.
And that'll really hurt their feelings if they find out.
Are you married?
No, I'm not, but I fancy I'm married.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, go find another boss to work for.
I think you lost respect for this one.
So sure.
That's my recommendation.
Thank you, Mrs. Sullivan.
That's my two cents.
You bet.
That's the truth, too.
We'll be right back.
Tom Sullivan sitting in on the Rush Limbaugh radio program.
Oh, you can't believe the stories going on here at the EIB network.
So, yeah, so on your, you know, you see somebody you want to meet, you go up and say, wow, I find you fascinating.
You don't even know the person.
It's a lie right from the get-go.
I got to tell you, you know, one of the things, I don't know for this audience, if you have a real sense of me.
I know my audience in California does, because I've been doing it a long time.
But my real job is I run an investment firm.
And in the investment business, you can't lie.
You've got to be straight.
I mean, that's how people get in trouble.
I still go back to the Enron story.
I've seen people do this.
They are afraid to tell the truth when something doesn't work, when something's going down rather than up.
And that's what Ken Lay, and that's what Jeffrey Skilling did was they did not come out and say, oops, for 15 years this company's been doing great, but now, oh, man, we're losing money.
They wouldn't say it.
They fixed and cooked the books.
And look what happened.
Sean in Jonesboro, Georgia.
Hi, Sean.
You're on the Rush Limbaugh program with Tom Sullivan.
Hi, Tom.
Thanks.
I was having a blow-average day and you decided to take my call and made it all worthwhile.
Oh, great.
Good.
And that's the truth.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I wanted to tell you that it's a perfectly reasonable thing to lie to your wife if she says, well, this makes me look fat.
Because you can really get in a lot of trouble.
And the previous caller wasn't married, and that was obvious.
Well, that's why I don't even think he's had a second date.
It's literally.
Well, what you can do, though, and this works.
I've tried it, honey, and you know because you're listening, but you can deflect it.
Politicians do this, and Bush did this with the immigration bill.
Yeah.
But what you can do is you can say, honey, I don't like that color, or stripes don't look good on you, or, you know, it's just not your color.
And that's a perfectly good way to deflect a dangerous question.
Some people do it.
Politicians do it.
And really, Bill Clinton was the best ever at it.
Yeah.
Slick Willie didn't get the name slick for nothing.
No, he's about as good as you can get as far as being slick.
So, well, my wife and I have a running joke.
Her father actually told me this.
He says, you want to have a long, happy marriage.
He says, when your wife comes home from having her hair done, you just tell her, that's a 10, baby.
That's a 10.
It doesn't matter what it looks like.
You tell her it's a 10.
And you know what?
She'll be happy as can be.
That's advice from my father-in-law, who gave me lots of great advice.
John, thanks.
I'm glad to have helped make your day a little bit better.
Deanne in Richmond, Virginia.
Hi, Deanne.
Not close enough.
It's Dean.
Oh, Dean, I'm sorry.
I can't read.
Don't lie to me.
All right.
It's a sad fact of this country that social lying is kind of an accepted truth.
Just like in telling somebody you're going to be somewhere at a certain time and you don't show up to 15 minutes, 30 minutes later, you've lied to that person by not being on time.
If that was your plan.
But if you just got in traffic or something, I mean, that's not lying.
Yes, but salespeople are the best at one of the best, like politicians that create storytelling.
Yeah, yeah, so it depends.
But I go back again.
See, in the investment business, the only thing you have to sell is trust.
Exactly.
I mean, you can get your stocks and bonds anywhere, but trust is critical.
And I think the best salesmen and the best politicians are the ones who are, we were talking about it earlier in the program, straight talking, honest people.
Even if you don't agree with them, you respect them.
And I don't know why politicians always, you see this all the time.
There'll be some politician who says something and there's a big ruckus about it.
And so what happens is they run out the spokesperson and the spokesperson says, well, Senator Fogbottom meant to say or what he meant to, you know, and I'm going, no.
He, you know, be honest.
Come out, say what you want to say and take the consequences if somebody doesn't like it.
But, I mean, come on, we learned from the time we were children, you can't make everybody happy all the time.
You can make some people happy some of the time.
That's as good as it's going to get.
You got to lie to do the rest of it, and I don't think it's worth it.
But I appreciate your call.
Thanks, Dean from Richmond.
We'll be back.
Tom Sullivan sitting in on the Rush Limbaugh radio program.
Welcome back, Tom Sullivan in for a rush.
I'm going to be back again tomorrow, and that's a promise and a threat and the truth.
And Paul W. Smith on Friday and then rushes back after a well-deserved week's vacation.
He'll be back on Monday.
We've been talking about this lying business.
And yeah, it's one of these things where I think if people, especially in sales and politics, in business, in any part of life, it's just so much easier.
And people can detect it and they can tell.
And your credibility means nothing once they find out that you are lying.
So, you know, everybody knows it, but why don't people follow it, especially some of these so-called brilliant politicians?
That'll be a wrap for today, and we will come back and visit with you again right here on the EIB Network tomorrow.