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July 7, 2006 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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July 7, 2006, Friday, Hour #3
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All right, before I before I get this hour officially going, Aldermont, are you really leaving after today?
All right.
It's two weeks ago, Aldermont comes to me and says, by the way, I am leaving.
I'm going back to New Orleans to help build the levees and work in the law school business.
And he was angling for a going-away party.
It's a good thing we're going to throw one because he's back here today.
And and then greetings, uh, ladies and gentlemen, music lovers, thrill seekers, and conversationalists all across the fruited plain.
It's Friday, and you know what that means.
Live from the Southern Command in sunny South Florida.
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And America's real anchor man in charge of more fun than a human being should be allowed to have.
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And the email address is rush at EIB net.com.
Yes, I have a I've got a golf trip next week, folks, but uh don't worry.
It'll be contained within the continental United States.
I will not uh be visiting any branch of the uh UN United States Customs.
Uh still never know, but uh uh who we got sitting in next week.
Does anybody know?
Does it really matter?
Uh who?
We got Mark Belling uh okay, belling on Monday and Tuesday.
Tom Sullivan, oh good.
Sullivan on Wednesday and Thursday, and Paul W. Smith on uh on Friday from WJR Detroit.
Sullivan from uh KFBK in uh in Sacramento.
All right.
Moving on to other items in the news.
We have audio sound bites here of a debate between Joe Lieberman and his uh kook cut-and-run Democrat opponent, a guy named Ned Lamont, wealthy uh media tycoon in Connecticut.
Uh here apparently what Lamont is doing is running against Bush and tying Lieberman to Bush.
So Lieberman said I know George Bush.
I've worked against George Bush, I've even run against George Bush, but Ned, I'm not George Bush.
So why don't you stop running against him and have the courage and honesty to run against me and the facts of my record?
Lamont, not convinced, ladies and gentlemen, said this.
President Bush rushed us into this war.
He told us it would be easy.
We'd be welcomed as liberators, weapons of mass destruction.
And Senator Lieberman cheered on the president every step of the way when we should have been asking the tough questions.
And here we are, what do we do?
I was uh I was impressed when Congressman Bertha stood up, and he said, stay the course is not a winning strategy.
It's time for us to change course.
It's time for us to start bringing our troops home.
All right, so there this is one thing, and I, you know, some other people started to mention this too.
I asked this many moons ago.
A little Indian lingo there.
What in the world do these people think they're doing running against Bush, either now or in 08?
He is not on the ballot.
Uh yeah, I I uh uh may be a way to you know firm up the uh Kook base, but I I don't know how much more firm the Kook base can be uh with with all this.
It's it's amazing to watch what they're doing to Joe Lieberman.
Um he was their Democratic vice presidential nominee and candidate barely six years ago.
Now they're throwing him under the bus and throwing them overboard over uh over the the issue of Iraq.
And it's not just people in Connecticut.
This is something that's been engineered in the uh I think in the entire Democratic Party.
Just uh uh amazing to me to to watch the implosion that is taking place, and then to see Hillary saying, I'm not gonna support him if he runs as an independent.
I'm not gonna support him.
They're going after Maria Cantwell in Washington State for the same reason because she's been uh she's been pro-Iraq War.
They're doing the same thing to her.
He just don't hear about it as much because that's way out there on the left coast.
It's like you don't hear much about the Seattle Mariners or the Seattle Seahawks unless they happen to get to the championship or something.
And people say, Who are they?
Um Maria Cantwell.
Then John Kerry comes out.
Oh, I'm not gonna support Joe Lieberman.
I'm gonna support the nominee of our party.
Standing together as Democrats.
Why, that's what I'm all about.
I'm John Carey, and I'm served to Vietnam, by the way.
It's just obvious these people don't see themselves uh the way everybody else does.
Now, after the debate, there was a uh there was a little analysis, of course, on PMS NBC's hardball, the fill-in host Nora O'Donnell talking to the uh Wall Street Journal's John Harwood.
And Norris said, Now we know Lamont's campaign in many ways been driven by the net roots or the many bloggers who are very supportive.
Isn't it interesting, by the way?
These people are just flat-out loonies.
They are insane kooks, these left-wing blog types, and yet they are treated with great reverence and great respect and fear in the drive-by media and Democratic Party circles.
And yet let Pat Buchanan run for nomination, let his supporters, you know, do their number, and the uh whole focus is on how insane Buchanan supporters were, how wacko, how dangerous and so forth they are.
Uh these people uh are being pumped up as though they are actual factors.
They can't sell books.
They don't generate much of anything other than a bunch of hot air amongst themselves, but because they're liberals and because they hate Bush, the drive-by media loves them.
So her question uh again to uh John Harwood.
Well, we know Lamont's campaign in many ways been driven by the net roots, many bloggers, very supportive of him.
What about that?
What the net roots Democrats are trying to do in some ways, they've got their own way of emulating Republicans because in the Republican Party today, conservatives drive the train, they get nominated, and they win elections.
Can these net roots Democrats win nomination contests and then win general elections?
Conventional wisdom has been that their democratic liberal base is not large enough to do that.
Well, let me clue you in, John, uh, to compare the liberal net roots, these literally insane kooks, to the conservative base is where you're off base, is where you're missing the point.
It is not a bunch of kooks.
It is not a bunch of extremist wackos, and it's not a bunch of fringe minority members who drive the conservative train or drive the Republican Party train.
Uh to compare the net roots to the mainstream conservatives that uh dominate the Republican Party is the first mistake that is made.
But again, it's a drive-by media guy, and they've got their template, and of course, uh there's no such thing as a fringe liberal, but uh fringe Republicans are all over the place.
Uh and it just it's the only problem is they just aren't enough of these liberals.
Can you believe that?
There aren't enough liberals.
Life is so unfair, folks.
There definitely aren't enough liberals to compete with the conservative in their baith operations.
A quick call before we go to the break.
Dale in Toledo, your next.
I'm glad you waited.
Welcome to the program.
I love you, Rush.
Um, you know, in the past, you've uh kind of made fun of the actor, entertainer people for speaking out on subjects outside of their realm of expertise, and yet you have a conference with a bunch of entertainer producer actors on the effect that 24 has on the social political world.
How do you how do you square that?
Um, really easily when when an actor comes out and starts uh gallivanting around about global warming or Darfur or or uh Iraq or whatever, uh that's when I launch into action and question their expertise.
I don't question their right to say it, but I question why in the world anybody gives what they say any weight.
The 24 panel, I don't recall anybody on the 24 panel making a comment about anything other than their show.
I don't remember them making a comment about Bush or Chertoff and how they're running the war on terror, uh, either supportively or uh or negatively, positively or negatively.
I don't remember them saying that.
I remember them talking about their show.
I remember two scholars talking about that, the effect of the show on the uh on the public, and I remember Chertoff uh in the first 20 minutes uh addressing that same subject.
But as for the 24 people, I don't I don't think they left their venue of Expertise.
Well, okay, and by the way, I I'm a member of SAG and equity.
And you are one of the best actor entertainers who ever came out.
And you're very, you know, you're you're very funny.
And yet you have expanded your knowledge to everything and done pretty well.
Uh thank you.
Uh are you saying that I'm no different there in a sense than than other entertainers and actors who are out making political statements?
Oh no, you're a lot different.
Um and you, you know, made yourself knowledgeable in in these other areas, and certainly proved it beyond all shadow of a doubt.
Well, thank you.
I wasn't accusatory.
I just wanted to make sure I understood.
Oh, sure.
And by the way, did Mary Lynn get to go to the Dominican Republic with you guys?
No, no, no, no, no.
Just thought I'd ask.
It was a cigar factory trip.
I can't get over all of this.
It was a it was a R R for about a day and a half, then we went we went to the Fuente Cigar Farm, and their factory went two days.
We spent with the Fuentes, seeing their farm, seeing their charity work, which is amazing.
I described it earlier in the week, and seeing the um uh the the uh actual factory, one of their four factories.
Uh and it was uh it was all a big treat.
Um some of the guys had not actually been uh to a cigar tobacco farm or a or a uh uh uh a factory where these uh cigars are made.
So it was uh I mean that was the that that was the reason for the trip.
The re went to the Dominican Republic is because that's where cigars are made.
We weren't there for four days, Brian.
Now look at We were not we were there for two and a half days for crying out loud.
Got there on a late Friday night, went to bed, got up Saturday, rained all day, Saturday at dinner, Sunday and Monday, went over to cigar farms and the cigar factories.
It was a cigar trip to the Dominican Republic.
I just love all this.
I think I know Reagan Reagan was uh was an actor, and uh my staff's turning in never turned never criticized him for being in politics.
I have never criticized Reagan.
Oh, well, well.
Well, let me let me let me comment on this actor business uh because uh uh I I've evolved a new theory as as to uh explain my old theory and I've evolved a new one to to explain why they are what they are and why they do what they do after this.
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All right, actors.
My my old theory, and I haven't fully developed the new one, it's an ongoing process.
My old theory to explain actors and this uh never-ending uh desire on their part to speak out on serious issues.
Just ignore the liberal aspect of it for now because that's that's its own separate deal.
Uh but that we just acknowledge that most of them are liberals and they speak out that way.
Why?
Well, the old theory was that here are people who uh basically go through life pretending to be other people.
And oftentimes they get caught up and typecast as their character rather than who they are.
And they have a desire, like everybody else, to be taken seriously, and they also have a desire to keep getting work, and they like to please the boss, the bosses are of the same political persuasion.
Uh and and so uh wanting to be taken seriously for who they really are, uh I have always thought was one of the motivations for uh uh speaking out on political issues.
Plus, I think a little guilt.
I think you cannot discuss liberalism without uh including guilt as one of the primary ingredients necessary to make a liberal.
Guilt over everything.
Guilt basically over his or her existence.
Uh because there's so much suffering in the world.
Why do I have so much?
This isn't fair.
Other people must give away their money to make this just.
The actor never will.
Um I think that the th to the extent that that may be true, there there are other things too.
If you look, particularly in recent years, acting is entirely emotional.
Well, gotta have some smarts to do it.
But it's entirely emotional.
I don't know how many of you have ever tried to actually act and be somebody totally other than who you are, but it isn't easy.
And it is a it's a it's an emotional pursuit uh in large degree, much as is liberalism uh an emotional pursuit.
And then if you examine the characters that they portray, they're either portraying creeps, or they are portraying victims.
And when they portray victims, such as Karen Silkwood, Merrill Streep, or was it Merrill Meryl Streep, who is whoever I couldn't couldn't tell you.
Don't remember.
Um but they're always portraying disadvantaged.
I remember when Jane Von the and uh and Jessica Lang portrayed farm wives in a movie about depression era farming.
They were actually called to Washington to testify on American agriculture problems because they had portrayed characters in a movie.
And I think they actually thought they were experts.
That's the thing.
It's it's the the acting never ends.
They end up believing they are experts.
Because of course they research the role, and they uh and they always find that when they're portraying a victim, somebody's always responsible for the victim being the victim.
And that person is usually uh not of the same persuasion as say a liberal would be, and it's either uh an overzealous racist or a bigot or a sexist or uh a big corporate chieftain, Titan, what have you.
Uh and I think that there's a uh almost biosmosis, if you will, a connection.
They actually end up identifying with these characters that they portray, and I'm talking about even fictional characters, not actual real-life characters they portray.
That's that's more uh mimicry and imitation than it is acting, but still I uh I think the emotional connection, and they end up falling into this notion that that uh that they are the character and that they are victims and that they have a special now identity with these victims because they have researched the role and they've portrayed the character, even as I say fictional characters, and uh they end up thinking they've got to do something about it.
Doing the movie is not enough.
We've got to do something about this.
Um then, of course, there's the ongoing need for never-ending publicity.
Selling tickets at the box office is as much a factor of what they do, and they hate doing this.
They hate the set tours and interviews, sit down and you know, do interviews with fourteen or thirteen thousand different uh news outlets over two or three days.
They despise that, but they love being considered serious people, experts, if you will, say as George Clooney portrays himself to be on Darfer.
Uh or after he goes out and makes the movie Syriana.
Have you watched that movie?
I got it the other day.
I watched it, and I I it's a total indictment of the oil industry.
Total, 100% indictment of the oil industry.
And this is what got me to thinking about this, actually.
Uh Clooney plays a character that is uh uh consultant to the oil industry, and the oil industry is raping the world, and they're making deals with the absolute worst scum of the planet, and they're doing it to rape the American consumer and rape the world consumer and pollute the planet and so forth.
Well, I think when the movie's over, they think they have just engaged in the truth.
And so they they uh and they're awarded by their peers and they're celebrated by their peers for their great social conscience and so forth.
And I just think the acting never stops.
I I think the line gets blurred between reality and and uh and make-believe and and fiction.
And then when you have you add the final element, the final element is a fawning, groveling, slavish entertainment media that would just love to be in the actor's inner circle.
We just love to be one of the buds, would just love to hang with them, would just love to be on a first name basis, as a result.
How many really critical profiles of actors do you see?
You don't I don't see any.
Uh maybe, you know, you get a couple of uh like Charlton Heston or Tom Selleck uh at at the appropriate times for the for them.
But for the most part, Sean Penn is lauded as an expert in a hero.
The San Francisco Chronicle has him write a daily diary when touring Iraq to sign to find out the damage American bombs have caused.
Native Iraqi women and children, it's so horrible.
Well, I have to think that would go to your head.
If uh if you're if you're rooted in emotion anyway, that's gotta be a pretty big emotional high to be taken so seriously on all this.
So all this fawning press never being criticized.
That movie may get a bad review now and then, but personally, no, you were held up as some great titan and hero, and I think all of those elements go in and and combine to create the uh the political aspect of uh Hollywood leftist actors.
I'm sure there's a lot more to it than that, but that's as far as I've gotten.
Yes, sitting here amidst billowing clouds of fragrant and uh aromatic first and second hand premium cigar smoke.
This is uh Joanne in Gainesville, Virginia, and I'm glad you called.
Welcome to the show.
Thank you, Rush.
Um, I just wanted to make a point that there's two different kinds of actors involved in politics or um it there's two different methodologies.
There's Stryfand who flips in and out of the political um era.
I'm sorry, I'm so nervous, and um you know, uses her notoriety to influence people.
And then there are the actors like Ronald Reagan or Fred Grandy, who actually go in and do the work of politics and they're involved in it.
And um, they actually they spend real lifetime in it instead of flip in, flip out.
Well, yeah, uh that's a good point.
I don't want to be misunderstood.
I don't care who speaks up and says what.
I uh never gonna find me trying to uh choke off anybody having an opinion about anything.
I'm just trying to explain it to people and explain it to myself.
You know, it's an ongoing question.
I mean, I don't know how many times I've been asked.
You probably have been asked too.
You have probably asked me in email.
How in the world can anybody be a liberal?
I'm sure liberals ask the same thing about conservatives.
Uh except if they really studied us, they would find substantive answers about why people are conservatives.
Uh but it's in terms of strisand and so forth, I, you know, let her go.
I mean, we got Republicans uh a few.
Bruce Willis is out there and and Ron Silver, and uh and they get involved, and so forth, and that's that's uh perfectly fine.
Uh but I Ron Silver, especially is a converted lib.
Uh he's he's done a 180 for a whole bunch of reasons.
And of course you're gonna have a little bit more credibility with me, Strysan and his other people mouthing off uh well you causes are just they're they're they're addictive, they're they're they're seductive to people.
Look, folks, everybody wants to matter.
Nobody wants to have a meaningless life.
And uh I I th I've never been an actor, I couldn't do it, I don't think.
But uh because it is hard to actually pretend you are not who you are and to become to totally lose yourself and become somebody else.
Uh uh convincingly is uh well, you you may be smirking, but go try it.
Uh that that's why they earn a lot of money.
But there's guilt associated with that too.
Uh and that kind of fame, you want to be famous for doing more than just pretending not to be yourself.
Uh everybody wants to matter, everybody wants to have meaningfulness in their lives.
And I would contend that uh acting could actually be a psychiatric syndrome.
Uh that people are capable of do it are odd.
It it's a very quirky thing to be able to do.
Um and at the same time you want to be taken seriously for who you really are, and you want what you really do to matter, and pretending to be somebody else makes you big on a screen and may earn you a lot of money, but does it get you respect other than fawning idolatry from moviegoers?
And I just sometimes think, oh, that's not enough.
Uh and so uh politics attracts a different kind of journalism, different kind of journalists, uh and they're gonna fawn over you too and uh and take you seriously.
And they may invite you to the White House Correspondence Center.
Uh remember, politics is showbiz too.
It's showbiz for the ugly.
If you don't believe me, take a look at your average candidate.
Male or female, Kyle Well, mostly on the left too.
I didn't want to say that, but uh we're going for it all the way here.
Kyle, Red Bluff, California.
Welcome to the EIB network.
Hi.
Mega Farmer Market uh dittoes there, Rush.
Thank you, sir.
I have a question.
Um, what's your favorite brand of cigar there?
I have that's a tough one because I have a bunch, and I if I start listening them, listing them, then I lo I I I offend friends who make them.
But here goes.
Like right now, I am smoking a La Flor Dominicana double lighter chisel.
The ligero is the strongest part of the tobacco leaf.
This is dual liguerro, it's kick butt.
Uh I give these cigars away in member guest golf tournaments to my opponents.
Makes them loopy and dizzy and sometimes nauseous.
You they love the taste, but they get loopy for a while.
The the Fuentes make a a range of cigars that from the Opus X to the Don Carlos uh Opus X's are hard to get because they're the tobacco is so rare for the wrapper leaf there.
But you uh, if you want to start to start with a uh a short story, Hemingway short story, the Hemingway Classic as a giant cigar, or the Don Carlos uh number two, which is uh a torpedo shape.
Excellent, excellent cigar.
The Monte Cristo people make uh a bunch of good cigars, Ashton, Virgin Sun Grown, any size.
Uh you I mean, I'm leaving, I I know I'm leaving people out here that that uh the particus number ten is a g is a is a great cigar, but right now I'm smoking the uh the uh double liguerro uh chisel from La Flor Dominicana, and I go back and forth for the Opus X and uh the Don Carlos with the Fuentes.
I see.
Um second part of my question is I'm you were expecting me, you know, you were you what were you expecting me to say?
Um actually I've heard you say the La Flor Dominicana before.
And uh but actually I'm just curious, I don't have a good uh shop here in my area.
Is there a way to uh get it via the internet or say a mail order or something?
And is that is it good to do or do they go bad in the mail?
No, no, no, no, no.
They'll be fine as long as you you know uh I mean you FedEx ship them UPS in a day or two and then properly humidify them when you get them.
No, that doesn't that doesn't hurt them.
I don't know about mail order because I don't I don't buy them that way.
Uh I've got I've got a place in New York that uh that that stocks most of my favorite cigars, place called Arnold's.
Uh but uh I if I think if you just Googled cigars, there's all kinds of great uh internet mail order cigar places uh can't I don't want to mention I'm I'm close to thinking JR or something or other, JWR, I'm not sure which, but ah there's countless.
If you you ever in Los Angeles?
No, no, I don't get that far, South.
Well uh sometimes I don't blame you.
Um if you ever are, there's a there's there's a there's a fabulous place called a Grand Havana Club, and it's in uh uh it's in Los Angeles, Beverly Hills around there.
Uh and uh you can actually they have cigars and cigar lockers and you can store your cigars.
You can smoke a cigar while eating dinner while watching giant big Yes, yes, because you have to see that.
I don't know.
Oh, yeah, what was uh d I was I was in there um uh back in May.
Uh uh first part of May.
And there's one in New York, uh the Grand Havana Club, and yeah, they've got special dispensation because it's a private club, and the way they do it, it's a it's a tobacco store first and a restaurant second.
I see.
I see.
The vast majority of their business is done selling cigars.
And so that's that's the stipulation.
You can theoretically smoke uh in a in a in a tobacco store, but uh not outside it.
So that's well, I'm still waiting for the smoke Nazis to come get you out of your own house, you know.
So I'm surprised to hear that.
Let me tell you something.
It is happening, it is happening around the country.
Uh there was it was in a stack earlier this week, and I didn't get to it.
I forget, seemed to I want to say it was somewhere in California, but it was um an apartment complex.
And the there were uh there's a apparently you can smoke at the pool and and uh outside of this apartment complex, and some of the neighbors of a guy or family in there where there are smokers, petitioned the landlord to ban smoking outside the complex, inside nobody because the secondhand smoke was killing them.
Montgomery County, Maryland has already tried this.
They sighted a woman who was three hundred feet a football field away from a guy smoking inside his house with a windows closed.
She was in her house with a windows closed.
She claimed she could smell his cigarette smoke from a football field away.
And so the uh the the great thinkers that lead Montgomery County attempted to ban smoking in your home.
Now the way they're going to go about it, and it will happen, is uh the the the health Nazis, and there are many different levels of them.
Uh if you have anybody in your home that comes in uh as an employee once a week, half a day, won't matter.
If that person comes in and you are a smoker, and that person is subjected to your secondhand smoke or the uh after effects of it, uh there will probably somewhere be a law that you can't smoke in your own house.
Somewhere this will happen.
We are trending in that direction.
Uh uh Meanwhile, we're not going to ban cigarettes.
We are not going to ban the sale of them.
A kill secondhand smoke is now preposterous, folks, but they say it's deadly as first hand smoke.
And the way they talk about cigarettes and tobacco products is they they they that it's the most deadly thing out there, and yet they won't ban it.
They will not ban it.
They need the tax revenue.
I'm telling you something.
I I actually think that people who continue to smoke cigarettes, I don't like cigarettes.
I think people who continue to smoke cigarettes today are owed the biggest thank you and debt of gratitude by other citizens because they're paying so much of the freight tax-wise in this country, and they're taking a bunch of arrows.
They're out there being criticized, they're made to stand outside buildings and the weather and so forth among the like the original huddled masses have remassed.
And they're now smokers outside public buildings, and now they're even being gone after.
Uh and being targeted so forth.
But they pay the taxes and so forth.
They're risking their lives.
And they are actually um the people who we owe a big debt of gratitude to, folks, because they are courageous.
And they're they're helping defray the public cost of a number of things.
We at least next time you see a smoker, you should thank them.
And I'm not kidding you.
They're paying far more in taxes than you are.
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Rush Limbaugh on the EIB network.
Well, I didn't see it.
Snerdley did and just reported it to me.
Uh Joe Biden and uh Jack Reed, the Rhode Island Democratic senator, were on uh some show on PMS NBC, and the infobabe, wasn't InfoBabe, Info Babe Bancharette uh well, what about this uh comment you made?
Uh people caught you talking about needing this uh Indian accent to go into a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts.
And uh, what's his face, Biden said, well, you know, you didn't see the beginning of that.
I was talking about the great influences that uh Indian Americans have on this country.
Thirty percent of Silicon Valley, smartest people in the world.
Uh 30 percent of the population of Delaware.
So uh Indian America.
There's the smartest people in the world.
I was praising them.
I was actually Oh, said the info, babe.
Thank you for setting it straight.
Yeah, you called it snerdly, so it's a done deal and a dead issue.
I still say he's got no chance at the presidency.
But not because of this, but just on general principles.
Atlanta and Jim, you're next on the EIB network.
Hi.
Rush, uh did you realize well, you probably did.
The ringleader of that bomb plot in on the Holland Tunnel was arrested in Lebanon.
That would not have happened if the Lebanese had not first pushed back the Syrians, and I guarantee you that the Lebanese would not have done that if we had not at first attacked Iraq.
And I think this is another benefit to the Iraq War.
Yeah, the you call it the Qaddafi effect.
Yes.
Uh that's that's a good point, Jim.
In fact, all three of these suspects are in three different countries.
This was the foreign surveillance that everybody the the NSA domestic spying program, where George Bush was spying on you and me.
Exactly.
Jim, it this was this this investigation has been underway for a full year.
Amen.
And these Democrats who oppose this, well, they don't oppose it.
They just want to use it as a political issue and say Bush is spying, but not one of them has suggested canceling the program.
Well, I want to thank the president and our troops for one more benefit to that thing.
Especially New Yorkers ought to be thankful even more than anybody.
That's an excellent point.
I I I appreciate that.
Jim, thank you so much.
Carolyn in uh in Flint, Michigan.
It's your turn.
You're next on the EIB.
Thanks for taking my call.
I have a question for you.
Shift gears here a little bit.
We're talking about the guest worker program and the uh Mexican coming into this country to work.
Uh I've always heard that if uh a person from another country comes here to work, they get a green card.
Now, how is that different from this guest worker program they're talking about?
Is I I don't understand.
I've always heard a green card for these people that come in to work in our country when they're a citizen somewhere else.
What are you trying to say?
They're creating something totally different just uh for political brownie points.
Uh I'm I'm a little confused.
Are you suggesting that the Senate immigration bill, which grants amnesty to all these people, is no different than giving people to arrive here when we find out about them a green card?
Well, I thought you'd applied for a green card when you entered this country to work for maybe a country that uh is based here.
Yeah, well, these Germany are both.
Yeah, but these people that we're talking about are not doing that.
I may I may not be understanding your question here.
I must admit I'm not a green card expert.
I only carry the black card of American Express.
But well, and I'm not.
I'm not a green card expert.
Uh so I uh and I'm I'm I'm I'm not gonna sit here and and try to fake my way through this when I don't know much about it, but that's why I'm asking the uh uh uh you're talking about temporary workers?
They come here for a while, then they have to leave after Right, and they're given a green card to work here.
And I thought that was just part of the system that when you were working in this country and you're not a citizen here, but you do have a green card.
Yeah.
And then what's the case?
So what's the are you are you?
And if you want to continue working or living here, then you apply for an extension on that green card.
Yeah.
Uh so maybe immigration or something would have that answer.
I don't know.
Um, somebody other than me will.
I'm not uh um I'm still are are you uh maybe I'm really confused here.
Are you are you trying to draw an analogy to the green card program to the new immigration bill that has been essentially gonna go anywhere, but that would grant amnesty to all the twelve million that are here illegally.
Well, anybody here with a green card would not receive amnesty.
They go back to their country that they were born in and citizens of when their time period here working is over.
Right.
But the the Senate bill would not have forced anybody.
Well, if you'd been here under a few years, you would have had to but there was no enforcement mechanism in it.
There was no uh you know, you they would they would have to show up and pay fines and then uh supposedly back taxes, but there was no enforcement to make them do this.
So it it it was that that bill wasn't going to solve anything, and the uh what you're talking about are people that are coming here through the legal process and getting a card legally, uh uh this the the the the if I understand you correctly, the Senate bill could not replicate that by simply finding all these people and giving them green cards, because the green card people you're talking about are not illegal in the first place.
Okay.
I guess that's the whole thing.
The person with the green card came into this country legally and applied they went through the rights, you know, the right sources.
I just don't understand.
If they're gonna come here from this from there from Mexico to pick crops or whatever, why aren't they given a green card while they're here and then they return home.
Well, because the the the people hiring them don't want it known that they've been hired, and the people here don't want it known that they're here.
Oh, okay.
All right, I got you there.
Yeah, yeah.
And so that that's it's it's all under the table.
It's slave labor.
It's uh it's indentured servitude, and nobody wants to change that.
Right.
And talk about slave labor.
Another point I wanted to make was uh Kathy Lee Gifford and some other people who went clothes manufacturing and things like that were really raped over the coals a number of years ago because their clothes were being That's right.
Well, that's because Kathy Lee's a conservative and she's a big TV star, and then uh yeah, that's I uh I remember all that.
Look, I appreciate the call, Carolyn folks.
I have to go.
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