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May 23, 2006 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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May 23, 2006, Tuesday, Hour #1
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Welcome to today's edition of the Rush 24 7 podcast.
It is good for me to be back, and I hope you're glad I'm back, but I guess you'll decide that in a couple of hours.
I want to begin the program by talking about immigration.
That's right, a brand new subject.
We haven't heard much about that topic lately.
I want to talk about immigration and I want to bring it up from the perspective of the political aspect of this.
There is no upside for the Republican Party in this issue.
None.
I don't care what they do or don't do, there's no upside here.
There was also no upside for President Bush and bringing it up in the first place.
Every time you ask the question in a poll, you ask the American people, do you want your leaders to roll up their sleeves and try to solve our problems?
Or would you prefer that they simply duck things and merely try to get re-elected?
We all say we want our leaders to solve problems.
The problem with that is is that solving a problem means that you have to do something.
And it is when you do something that you get people angry.
It is when you do something that you create disagreement.
It is when you do something that you've got all of these factions that are out there fighting.
Look at the immigration situation, right?
It is tearing the Republican Party apart.
You've got one group of Republicans that is absolutely furious with any attempt to create an amnesty or liberalize immigration laws.
You've got another element of the Republican Party demanding that we do a better job of enforcing the laws, and yet a third group that is saying that we've got to have open borders because it's strong for the economy.
Whatever your position is, this argument wouldn't be going around going on if President Bush didn't start something by trying to deal with this problem.
Whether you are a fan of President Bush or not, and by a lot by and large, I am.
He is a guy who has not ducked anything.
His response to 9-11 was to begin a war in Afghanistan and a war in Iraq and change domestic policies here in the United States.
He's got nothing but grief for that.
He could have just as easily had a far more tepid response that would have had a lot less controversy.
He didn't have to go to Iraq.
This whole debate we're having over Iraq didn't need to occur, but he chose to try to deal with this problem aggressively.
Social Security, we all know that it's a nightmare waiting to happen.
We all know that eventually the system is going to go tilt.
President Bush tried, didn't get anywhere, but tried to deal with that problem.
Immigration.
The estimate is 12 million illegal immigrants now in the United States.
Twelve million in a country of just under 300 million is a lot.
President Bush could have done what President Clinton did on all of these issues, sweep it under the rug, leave it for the next president.
He has chosen to deal with this issue.
And that's why we have a debate, and that's why we have all of this controversy.
Whatever the Republicans do here, and it's all put on them because there's a Republican president and a Republican Congress.
Whatever they do is going to anger someone and probably a lot of people.
So what's the reason to do it?
In terms of getting re-elected, which is what motivates most politicians, there's no reason to do it.
Just sweep it under the rug.
Let somebody else deal with it later.
Instead, President Bush has put this on the nation's front burner.
Now I happen to think nothing's going to pass.
I don't know that you can ever come up with a compromise that's going to get more than 50% of the Congress or 50% of the country to agree upon.
But at least he's willing to take this issue on.
There is a quote in today's Washington Post from an aide to House Speaker Dennis Hastard.
Quote, there's a feeling that no bill is better than a bill that further alienates our base and divides the Republican conference.
Well, that's the attitude that exists in the House right now.
It's the attitude that a lot of politicians have.
We're better off not passing anything Than further dividing our base, further angering people.
But if you follow that through, it means what you are doing is passing something else.
You're passing the status quo.
You're ratifying the status quo.
You are saying that what we have right now with regard to immigration in the United States is what we want to have.
I'd like to tell you a story from my home area of Milwaukee.
A few weeks ago, in a community named Waukeshaw, just outside of Milwaukee, a man who owns a local restaurant, decided that it would be a good idea for him to rob a bank.
Got the idea from watching a television show.
So he goes and robs the bank, the cops are called, a chase ensues, and he engages in a shootout with the police.
It was on the anniversary, several years earlier of a bank robbery in the same city that resulted in a police officer being killed.
This guy robs a bank, now we've got a shootout going on.
Fortunately, no officer was hurt.
The man was apprehended.
When charges were brought against him, it was revealed that the restaurant operator is in fact an illegal immigrant from Mexico.
One of our major local newspapers in Milwaukee keeps trying to not report that inconvenient fact.
But that's what he is.
He's an illegal immigrant.
Despite the fact that he is an illegal immigrant, he was in that community for seven years.
He got a liquor license.
He was paying property taxes, he was paying sales taxes, he was paying all sorts of taxes.
He had all the permits that you need in order to be in business, running a restaurant and running a tavern.
He had all of those things.
Either nothing ever triggered a check on whether or not he was legally in the United States, or nobody cared.
One or the other.
Well, now he's in jail.
He's facing serious charges.
So the restaurant is sitting there, and his brother doesn't want it to close.
He's going before the common counsel in that community and saying, I need a liquor license to keep the business going.
We've got all these employees, it's a good viable business.
Give me a liquor license, let's keep it going.
Let's not hold my brother's status against this particular business.
So they're considering giving the brother the liquor license to keep the restaurant going.
The brother's an illegal immigrant too.
He's illegal right now.
Yet he's applying for a liquor license to operate a restaurant in this community that had been run by his brother, also an illegal immigrant.
Despite the fact that he is illegal, no one is moving to deport him.
The community is considering giving him the liquor license.
He may be able to keep operating that business.
Can you think of anything screwier than that?
That's the current status of immigration laws in the United States.
We have laws, page after page after page of them, but we aren't doing anything to enforce them.
Just as we have a border with Mexico, but we aren't doing anything to enforce it.
The border is there, but is may it may as well not be.
It obviously isn't a very hard border to cross given the fact that we now have twelve million people who have succeeded in doing it.
So this is our status quo.
This is our status quo, and it's nuts.
Nothing that we do to change immigration laws could be worse than the current status quo.
Have a bunch of laws that we don't enforce, have millions of people sitting here in the United States without anyone doing anything about them, outside the official system, but still living as residents of the United States.
Something needs to be done.
Because nothing that's done could possibly be worse than this.
The problem politically is, whenever you propose to change something, people who don't like the change will get angry.
The issue is so complex with so many different sides that You've got people on all sides angry about this.
Some believe President Bush and the Republicans are far too harsh in what they are proposing to do.
Others say that they aren't anywhere near harsh enough.
The Senate, which is trying to pass this compromise, has merely managed to get everybody on all sides angry.
My priority is simple.
I think you have to take a look at what the problem in the country is.
The problem is that we have way too many illegal immigrants in the United States.
Until you deal with why that problem exists, everything else ought to be secondary.
My bottom line is that we need to have an actual border.
Not a border and name only, but a real border.
We need to build a fence.
I would prefer that the entire 2,000 miles of the United States Mexican border be fenced.
There doesn't appear to be much support to do that, but at the very least, the Senate last week did pass language that calls for construction of several hundred miles of a triple layered fence.
The president wants to hire more border patrol agents and he wants to deploy the National Guard.
I think these things have to be done.
There are a lot of people who argue that it doesn't matter what you're going to do, people are going to come in anyway.
That may be true, but at least it can be made harder than it currently is.
Because until we deal with this border problem, the problem of illegal immigration is going to get worse and worse and worse.
Sitting around and doing nothing with regard to the border means that 12 million that we have now become 15 million, then 18 million, then 25 million.
By the year 2015, we may have 30 million illegal immigrants in this country.
Whether your position is that of a hardliner or a softliner, there ought to be general agreement that we have a border.
Then you can debate who gets in and under what criteria.
Then you can debate what do we do when we catch an illegal immigrant in the United States.
Then we can debate whether or not there are guest worker programs or not.
We have to do something to make it harder to come into the United States illegally.
And my fear is that in all this controversy over everything else, guest workers, amnesties, employer sanctions, that we're going to debate all of those things and end up doing nothing on the one thing that is most important, which is to get ourselves a real border.
If we let this go by another year, the problem isn't going to go away, it's going to get worse.
From my own personal perspective, I'd vote for anything that gives us a better border than we have right now.
Because I think that that's 95% of the issue.
Now I have a lot of other views on the issue.
I think it's ridiculous to talk about deporting 12 million people, therefore you've got to figure out some way to make them legitimate residents of the United States.
I don't think we should be going after employers.
I don't see what's wrong with someone giving someone a job if that person wants to work.
But all those things to me are secondary until you deal with the border.
There's got to be a border there.
Or this problem is going to become entirely unmanageable.
It's bad enough as it is, but until there's a border, it's going to get worse.
That's at least my bottom line.
The number here is 1-800-28-22882.
My name is Mark Belling, and I'm sitting in for Rush.
I'm Mark Belling, guest hosting today on EIB.
Let's start in New Lennox, Illinois.
Bill, Bill, you're on Russia's program.
Hey, nice I'm glad to have you on the show.
I'm glad to hear you today.
Listen, I I I wanted to call because I'm pretty upset with uh the Republicans on our side of the aisle, the people on our side of the aisle that are fighting the president on this.
I want to know why weren't they out there with the Minutemen?
Where was their legislation a year ago, two years ago, four years ago?
Where were they when millions of people were Pouring across the border.
And why now, when it's politically expedient for them to do so, are they opposing the president's comprehensive plan?
Now, I don't like his plan all the way across the board.
I don't like everything about it, but at least it's a plan.
At least he's doing something.
Well, as I said, I think I think doing anything right now would be better than leaving the status quo in place because the status quo is nuts.
I happen to think the president is nowhere near strong enough on building a fence.
In fact, it wasn't even his idea.
That came out of the Senate after many in the Republican base demanded something be done on the border.
I'm not endorsing every aspect of what the President wants to do.
I'm merely saying that from a political point of view, there is no upside for the president in raising the issue.
I also think that his priorities are somewhat wrong here.
The point I was making about the politics of this is that nobody in America seems interested in solving anything anymore because there's nothing but political hell to pay if you attempt to do so.
I believe they do need to pass legislation that starts with the construction of a fence or a wall to create a real border.
I support the president's call to add more border patrol agents.
I don't really like, but I'm willing to accept the notion of deploying the National Guard down to the border.
I don't agree with people who say that there's nothing you could do to stop the flow of illegal immigrants into the United States.
There obviously are ways that we could do better.
I'll point out East Germany.
Their wall was to keep people from getting out, but very few did.
You can in this day and age build something that is harder to get by than we presently have, and I think that we've got to start there, or this problem is only going to get worse.
In Germany, uh our troops were in Germany keeping people from coming across that border uh for a long what, fifty years we had troops on that border.
We still have some troops on that.
My point is that you can have a border that is more effective than the silly border that we have right now.
Oh, I obviously is very easy to get across.
Thank you for the call, Bill.
I appreciate it.
To Winter said, Iowa.
Walter, Walter, it's your turn on Russia.
Good morning, Mark.
Hi.
Megadetto's from the John Wayne Capitol of the World.
Thank you.
Good old winter said, Iowa.
I a lot of people that I've talked to, and the majority of people I've talked to agree with what Bush says.
They agree with a lot of things, and ever since this fence idea come up, it has been it has uh recepted all kinds of uh exception acceptance on that idea of building a fence.
And I don't know where all these politicians are coming up with the this backlash that they're well, it's because of all the other things that people want to do on this.
For example, the president has a guest worker program that says that we will allow people to come from Mexico temporarily and then go back to Mexico.
He also, as does the Senate, have a has a provision that would allow illegal immigrants currently in the United States to move toward legal status if they've been here for a couple of years, they'd have to register, they'd have to pay a fine, pay taxes, and so on.
A lot of people don't like that.
They don't like all the other stuff that's in there.
My fear is, and this is my concern, my fear is that if we are going to allow concern about all the other things to get in the way, we aren't going to do something to begin to build a fence, because that is where the problem starts.
And until you deal with how the problem is occurring, all the other stuff is secondary, and I don't want to lose the notion of a fence.
I would support the Senate bill.
I don't think the Senate bill's perfect.
There are things in the Senate bill I don't like, but at least the Senate bill starts to give us a fence, and that is a step in the right direction, and I'm willing to put up with a lot of bad medicine in order to begin to solve this problem.
Well, I think the majority of people out here in Iowa and across the country agree with that, and I think they agree with almost everything that Bush is doing.
You know you can't take eleven million illegals and push them out of this country.
I mean, it they barely get five hundred thousand a year out of here.
Well, I don't think that you can get more than a few of them out.
I'm not even sure that we ought to be attempting to get more than a few out.
What I do know is this.
If you have a totally unmanageable number, you are creating all sorts of social conflicts in the United States.
It's ridiculous to have a situation in which four percent of the people in your country are not here illegally, and you're not doing anything about it.
Since it's impractical to do something about the millions that are already here, we've got to ask ourselves how it became so incredibly easy to enter the United States illegally.
We sub we've got all these laws in place.
It's not for lack of laws, it's not for the lack of a bureaucracy, but instead what we are doing with those laws is we are making it almost impossible to legally come to you know how hard it is to legally emigrate to the United States from Mexico.
It's extremely hard.
Since it's so hard to come in legally, everybody's coming in the easy way.
Illegally.
And that doesn't make any sense.
My name is Mark Belling and I'm in for Rush Limbaugh.
I'm Mark Belling sitting in for Rush.
Uh the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Dennis Haster is saying that he will bring legislation before the House without regard to what comes out of the Senate, he's going to bring it before the House only if it has the support of a majority of the Republicans.
Since the Democrats don't seem to know what their position on immigration is, that may mean it's going to be hard to pass anything.
Now I understand where Hastard is coming from.
Every single one of his members is up for reelection this while.
The House is stands for election every two years.
They're getting all sorts of grief that the legislation that's going to come out of the Senate is way too soft.
They're getting all sorts of grief about amnesty.
On the other hand, there are demonstrators all over the streets saying that any attempt to crack down at all is racist and too harsh.
They're being pulled in all directions, and they would just as soon not have to deal with this.
But if you're a leader, if you're running because you want to be a leader of this government, sometimes you have to take tough votes.
And I think a priority has to be made here about what we want in an immigration bill, which for me is the border.
If you have to put other things in there in order to get it passed, again, I'm willing to accept that, because the situation right now is absurd.
We're not enforcing any laws as it is.
So why are you worried about whether or not an amnesty is occurring or whether or not a guest worker program is going to hurt American workers?
The current status quo does all of those things.
It simply isn't codified into law.
We have a laws that are not being enforced.
We have laws that are being ignored.
To Boston and Jim, Jim, you're on EIB.
Yeah, Mark, uh, first of all, let me say I am a strong Bush supporter, and also I usually agree with you, but you're you're off on this one.
Look, Bush is precisely trying to pass the buck, and I'll tell you why.
The laws are already on the books.
All he has to do is issue executive orders to enforce this, that, or the other laws if he wants to enforce the immigration laws.
There's plenty of laws already on the book.
And it's precisely saying it's a legislative problem passing it over to Congress that allows him to kind of get out of it.
Now, maybe you're right that it's no a no-win for him, so that's why he wants to do it.
But don't kid yourself and think that uh that it's really all up to Congress.
The laws are already on the books, plenty of them, which could be enforced right now by executive order by the president.
Well, I don't agree with that.
You do need to pass something in order to begin building a border fence.
There are pl well, I'm not even sure about that because it you could by executive by the president, there already is uh authorization for a border, and the uh and uh I don't think you need legislation to uh build fences.
Well, whether you're whether you do or you don't whether you do or you don't, this thing is out there, and it's only out there because the president has chosen to make it an issue.
But Mark, the problem is is that I think on this issue there are about fourteen different sides.
I know that your position isn't going to be the same as mine because I haven't found anybody who agrees with me a hundred percent.
Everybody's position is a little bit different because this issue has so many different aspects to it.
My point is is that we have got to address it.
Mark, I don't disagree with you that we've got to address it.
My only point is this that it could be addressed by President Bush right now by executive order and by the executive taking action under existing laws that already exist.
So I don't think the American public should kid themselves.
Which laws?
Which law what laws are?
There are plenty of laws about employers, about tax f not reporting taxes.
All There are so many laws right now on the books that uh that the Justice Department could look at and say this isn't being enforced, that should be enforced, that I'm sure that anybody will say there's dozens of laws that could be used.
The problem is is that this situation has gotten so out of hand that if you start willy-nilly enforcing certain laws that have been ignored for years, where do you start and how are you being fair to all of those that they're not being enforced on?
I'm not disagreeing with you.
My point is is that the current situation is absolutely untenable.
If you want to go out and start enforcing some existing laws that make sense, I'm not quarreling with that.
My point though is that the border is where we have to be focusing all of our efforts and we should not allow our disagreements on all the other aspects of this issue to get in the way of beginning to construct a real border.
After we do that, we can start dealing with all these other controversies that exist with how you deal with illegal immigrants in the United States.
I also think that we've got to acknowledge we're never going to throw 12 million people out of this country, right?
Yeah Mark, I think you agree with that.
Yeah again don't brush that off.
No, I'm not providing we are acknowledged if we are acknowledging that we've got to figure out what we are going to do to make them legitimate residents of the United States because simply having millions and millions of people here illegally while we're all winking at one another is silly.
I'm not quarreling with you about whether or not the president could do more through certain powers.
What I am saying is that by putting this thing on the front burner he has done a service I think it is up to the Congress now to pass something that includes a strong border and what else they put in there is far less important than beginning to do something to make it harder to come into the United States illegally.
Thank you for the call.
Findlay Ohio Mark it's your turn on EIB.
Hi Mark I'm I just want to say uh I'm a Democrat that voted for uh George Bush the last election first time I ever voted for a Republican simply because the guy exuded leadership he's fighting this goofy crazy terrorist war all over the world and and the Democratic Party is just a nightmare.
But it that's beside the point.
The point I was wanting to get at was that I'm hearing all these different solutions to the problem but the biggest thing I'm seeing maybe I'm wrong but isn't what is the federal government doing on its own they're they're providing social services from medical to food stamps to housing they're providing all of these things to illegals and pointing the finger at private industry at private business.
I I agree with you on that 100% this angers a lot of my own conservative listeners back in Milwaukee but I'll stand by it.
I don't believe we should do anything to private employers on this.
I mean nothing.
They are not the problem.
This argument has been made that if it weren't for the jobs no one would be coming here.
That isn't entirely true.
It begs the larger question many illegal immigrants are coming here because they want to be part of the great American welfare state.
The moment they get here they are going to get medical care.
We don't turn anyone away if they are legitimately sick in the United States.
They get treated and they get paid for and it's being paid for by taxpayers.
Schools there are hundreds of thousands of children illegal immigrants who are attending public schools particularly in states closer to the border welfare programs, food stamps, all sorts of other government assistance programs are being handed right now to illegal immigrants and then we're going to turn around and say we're going to crack down on the employer in other words it's okay for the government to lavish millions and millions and millions of dollars in benefits on illegals but
it's wrong for an employer to give an illegal immigrant a job to me that's just ridiculous.
Well I've got a I've got a friend of mine who is a small businessman and he's so furious about this issue that he shakes when he talks about it look I've been voting for Republicans all my life, I have to wonder if I'm wrong about this.
He's so upset about the notion of employer sanctions that he's thinking about becoming a Democrat.
He asks me, Well, where do you think I'm going to find workers?
He asks me why employers should be the target of all these sanctions if the government gets to do the same thing.
And I think those are all legitimate questions.
But that's what's creating this big argument within the Republican Party.
This guy's a Republican.
He's got his own agenda about not wanting any employer sanctions.
There are many others who think that these employers are immoral.
We ought to be throwing the book at them.
We ought to take every illegal that we can find in the United States and throw them out of the country.
Those are two completely different sides.
It's ripping the Republican Party apart.
And I think both sides need to calm down and take a look at what our real priority ought to be, which is to start building a border that makes it harder to come into the United States.
Well, I do agree with you.
I don't believe we ought to be going after employers.
They are not the problem.
Just as the illegal immigrants in the United States who are working are not the problem.
Those that are working are contributing to our economy.
They are contributing to the businesses that they work for, and they are raising their families with the money that they are earning.
I don't see anything wrong with that.
The problem that we face is this incredible burden on the social service infrastructure in our country, particularly from the people who are not working, who are instead getting all of their benefits from the government.
That's where the real problem is.
Thank you for the call.
Let's go to uh Francisco in Ogden, Utah.
It's your turn on Russia's program.
Hi there.
I um I'm a Hispanic and uh my parents came over legally.
I'm son of illegal immigrants.
My wife is half messy.
They came over legally or illegally.
I didn't hear you.
I'm sorry.
Legally, legally.
Okay.
Okay.
We're looking at this issue all wrong.
All of us who came here legally are for a wall.
We're for we're for um uh proper immigration, legal immigration.
If we change the tone of the argument, if we if we let the American public know that a wall will not only protect Americans, but it'll protect Mexico because so much of Mexico's economy now is fueled by Mexican expatriates that send money in.
I think it's the number one source of revenues for Mexico.
If Al Qaeda comes across and puts a bomb in at San Onofre nuclear power plant where my family lives, it's over.
If they blow up the plant, there's gonna be a Chernobyl, it can destroy that part of the world, that part of the world.
I agree with you.
I think that both sides ought to agree that we need to have a wall and a border that is more properly enforced.
I also think we ought to make it a lot easier to legally come into the United States.
The wait time now is years for people to come in legally, particularly if they don't have a job waiting for them.
It's very, very hard to come in legally, but it's extremely easy to come in illegally.
That part we need to change.
We also have to understand that some things that have occurred with regard to illegal immigration have been positive.
You do have a workforce right now that has a lot of jobs that are very, very difficult to fill.
You also have people who are coming here, and once they're earning money, they are contributing to our economy, and you've got a lot of good positive economic activity occurring, and you have many people who are here who are very, very proud to be in the United States.
Those things are all true and they're undeniable.
What we need to do is have those people be legal taxpaying residents of the United States rather than illegal.
And I think that means you address them by reforming laws that make them legitimate residents of the United States, while at the same time making it harder to come in illegally in the first place.
Thank you for the call, Francisco.
My name is Mark Belling, and I'm in for Rush.
I'm Mark Belling sitting in for Rush.
And I'll tell you something else.
This isn't an amnesty.
The language in the Senate bill has been called an amnesty by a lot of people, and I just think they're wrong.
First of all, you'd have to register with the government, you'd have to pay a fine, they're going to make you pay taxes, you're going to have to go through a process that makes you legitimate.
That isn't an amnesty.
An amnesty is, well, you get to stay, you're now okay.
Since we're not going to throw twelve million people out, it only makes sense To get them into the system legitimately.
Now I do think this, since the biggest part of the problem here, aside from the border is the fact that we have laws that we don't enforce.
If we do change laws to make it easier for individuals who are here illegally to become legal, then we've got to start enforcing the laws after that.
Whether you give it three months or six months or a year, after this process by which people can begin to become begin to register to become legal.
After we do that, we've got to start throwing people out who don't play by those rules.
Or you just have the same situation all over again.
If you make five of the twelve million people legitimate, or eight of the twelve million people legitimate, but you don't do anything about the rest, then everyone knows that it's just a farce.
We've allowed you to register to become legal, but we're not going to do anything if you don't.
You're just going to have the next wave of people coming in illegally, and you haven't solved anything.
This is what they did in 1986 under President Reagan.
We passed an amnesty.
It made most people who were here illegally legal.
But we didn't do anything after the fact to the people who continue to come in illegally, and this has created these huge numbers where it's now impossible to do anything about it.
Once we establish new rules, we ought to then enforce them.
Or there's no point in doing any of this stuff.
To St. Louis and Dave.
Dave, it's your turn on Russia's show.
Hi, Mark.
I would rather see the entire Senate bill go up in flames than see the massive increases in legal immigration that this bill provides for.
We're talking about 70 million new immigrants over the next twenty years or so, and I simply don't think this country can assimilate that many immigrants over such a short period of the remote.
Well, I'd rather have them be legal immigrants than illegal ones, though, at least when they are legal immigrants, they're part of a process in which they're treated the same as everybody else who is here.
I'm not sure that I agree with you as to whether or not we wouldn't be able to assimilate them.
We do know this with the baby boomers aging and heading toward Social Security and Medicare, the Generation X numbers behind them aren't large enough to sustain that huge population of retirees.
We may benefit from having younger immigrants come into the United States to be able to pay some of that freight.
But whether you do it or you don't do it, if you are trying to put all these limits on legal immigration, you're simply encouraging more illegal immigration.
That seventy million figure that you cite, we're going to get anyway.
I just want them to be legal and not illegal.
Well, we're not going to get them if if you build a wall, but if you continue to allow the massive influx of illegal, I mean le legal immigration, then the wall is irrelevant.
But there is a lot of people.
Right now there isn't a massive influx of legal immigration because it's so hard to come in legally.
That's how that's why I think the current situation is crazy.
If you try to come in legally, you face all that our great bureaucracy has to offer, paperwork and lines and hassles, prove all these things that you have to do to demonstrate that you are working and that you're here legitimately and so on.
Whereas if you come in illegally, we allow you to operate under the radar and nobody hassles you at all, to the point that in my own home community you can get a liquor license and own a business and not be bothered and bothered in the least.
If we made legal immigration less hard, maybe there wouldn't be so many illegal immigrants.
Thanks, Dave.
My name is Mark Belling and I'm in for Rush.
My name is Mark Belling and I'm in for Rush Limbaugh.
I'm not going to use the entire program to debate immigration because the issue is being debated and debated and debated.
The point that I am trying to raise here is that if we do believe that illegal immigration is a problem, and I don't care if you're coming at this in the left or the right, we have to ask ourselves why it's a problem.
It's a problem because it is so easy to do.
And I believe we need to construct a real border.
Not because we're hostile toward immigration, not because we're racist, but because we need to have a process to come into this country legitimately.
We Don't have a real border with Mexico right now.
We need to have one.
That being said, we need to make those people who are here in the United States now, if they are not going to be thrown out, legitimate residents of the country.
We need to get off the backs of employers.
We need to do a lot of things to make our policy more workable.
But we can't allow our disagreements over what those changes are get in the way, get in the way of beginning to build a border that is harder to cross.
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