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April 14, 2006 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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April 14, 2006, Friday, Hour #1
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Welcome to today's edition of The Rush 24-7 Podcast.
And we have the next drive-by media hit taking place, ladies and gentlemen, right before our very eyes and ears.
The next drive-by media hit Rumsfeld should resign.
It's either Rumsfeld or Rice or um Churtoff Cheney, a never-ending drumbeat.
I will explain to you how this all happens.
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All right, yesterday afternoon at the conclusion of uh yesterday's program.
I uh I went over to a local theater uh to watch a private screening of United 93.
And uh the I invited some people to go with me, and a number of them didn't want to go because they were just afraid.
It would it would it would it would knock them out.
Uh that and you've you've heard some of the uh complaints from the theaters that have shown a trailer to this movie, the Upper West Side of New York and other places around the country.
No, no, it's too soon.
It's too soon.
I can't bear it.
It's too so it's not too soon.
If anything, it's too late.
Uh I wish this movie had been out two or three years ago.
Now I'm not a movie critic, and I have to be careful here that in describing it I don't give it away.
I mean, how what can you give away?
You all know what happens in this movie.
That's the thing.
This movie is real.
Well, it portrays actual events, and it tries to duplicate them as as closely as possible.
So you when you when you watch this, it's about an hour 40 minutes, hour 45.
When you watch this, you know you're watching you know what's gonna happen at every stage.
Well, you know what's gonna happen in the areas you know.
You some of the behind-the-scenes things that are portrayed in the movie you'll see for the first time, and I don't know how accurate those are.
For example, the North American Defense Command out of Rome, New York, the military up there that's designed to identify rogue aircraft entering our space, actually prepared as or portrayed as bumbling uh incompetence, uh, unable to keep track of uh domestic airliners when they've turned their transponders off, and they're issuing orders all over the place, and nobody's getting anything done.
Uh they scramble a couple of F-16s, but they don't have any weapons on them, and they send the F-16s out over the Atlantic Ocean, thinking that more air uh hijacked international airlines are coming in rather than chase the uh hijacked airlines westward.
Um and the the air traffic control people, they're they're portrayed um I uh just the whole movie is powerful.
I I think there's not that much gore in it.
A lot of people that I invited didn't want to go because they're just afraid of the gore.
There isn't that much.
There's some, but there isn't that much.
Um but it is just I there's a there's a piece of footage of uh the second plane hitting the World Trade Center that I had not seen before.
It looks like this footage was shot from across the river, like maybe the control tower at Newark uh International Airport.
Uh and it this one shows the speed uh with which that second plane hit the tower.
I mean, it's just it's looks like uh barreling along.
You don't see planes flying this fast this low uh normally, not civilian airliners.
And the the I guess the focus of the of the movie of the people on Flight 93, United Flight 93, and without giving too much away here.
Uh one of the things I told people who asked, Well, what'd you think of it?
Well, it's tough today in 2006 not to watch this movie uh within the prism of your own political opinions and attitudes about uh life in the country today.
It'd be much yeah, I think people will have a uh a different perception of this if they had watched this movie, which it'd be impossible to do, but a couple of three days after it, or even even six months after it uh had happened.
But there's been a lot of years that have passed, and uh in that time a lot of events have happened uh regarding the war on terror that have uh shaped political opinion in this country in wide and diverse ways.
For example, it is my opinion that the Kook Fringe left, after watching this movie, will come away blaming Bush all over again.
Despite despite the fact that the overwhelming emotion I had was sheer anger at the terrorists.
Bordering on hatred, I was gripping the arms of my of my seat, my chair.
They are not portrayed sympathetically.
And that's important.
Uh I have seen a lot of movies made in the last couple of years.
It was I forget the name of this movie, but Jody Foster was in it.
And her airplane, uh her daughter was hijacked from her on board an airplane, and there were four Arabs on board, and she was convinced they were the guilty ones, and they were holding her daughter hostage.
None of the crew would help her find her daughter.
The uh the Arab-looking guys ended up being the angels.
They were honest.
They were the great, and the and the conspirators and the and the bad guys were the pilot, co-pilot, and a flight attendant.
This movie is not that.
This movie does not portray the hijackers sympathetically.
You will not like these people, and that's important, and I think that's the vast the reaction of vast majority of people who watch the movie are going to have.
There will be there, and the reason I say the kook fringe left will be able to blame Bush.
See, Bush is incompetent because of one passage uh in the movie.
The air traffic control people, uh, or the National Air, I guess I'm not sure it was air air traffic control or if it was the it's something to do with the FAA, the the head of this organization trying to get hold of the president or vice president to authorize military jets to go up and shoot these hijacked planes down.
And he comes in, uh his chief aide comes in and says, I can't find the president.
We can't get hold of it.
We don't know where the vice president, we can't.
So it appears that on the morning of these attacks, the president and vice president are nowhere to be found.
Well, we know the president was in Tampa and he was in a classroom with some school kids, and we know that uh that has been lampooned by the left in Michael Moore's uh whatever you want to call that piece of propaganda.
So the left will say, if they watch that, as shallow as they are, as kooky as they are, and as as as off the deep end as they are, it this movie will, in that one little passage alone probably confirm for them that they're right all along that this is Bush's fault.
But anybody with half a brain with any rationality at all cannot help but just be angry at the terrorists.
And this movie is going to refocus on the on the minds of those who see it.
The exact reason we are in the war on terror.
The footage of the Twin Towers being hit is there.
Uh One thing I think should have happened, but didn't, the towers do not fall in this movie.
And I don't know if they did that because they wanted to keep the chronology accurate.
But I thought it would be it would be impactful if the towers fell in this movie.
I'm not going to tell you how they portray the crash of United 93.
It can go any number of ways on that, and it was one of the things I was most curious about.
But the passengers themselves are the focus of this, even though they start with every every all the all the four planes that were hijacked, they they track that from the moment it happened.
They show the terrorists getting up, praying the night before, getting on these airplanes, sitting there nervously waiting to make their moves and so forth.
But once you get into the actual United 93 portion of this, these passengers are portrayed as heroes, gutsy.
They are inspirational.
This is a this is a movie that's going to, I think for those who who who go to see it are going to walk out of there with uh uh well, you're gonna walk out in shock, uh, because here's uh an attempt to accurately portray what goes on and went on on a doomed hijacked airliner, where the the good guys actually win.
Uh this is the only one of the four that did not reach its target.
But these people are portrayed as inspirational heroes and gutsy.
Uh they learn the other three planes have hit their targets via phone calls that they're making, that they make these phone calls in secret without the two terrorist watchdogs knowing that they're doing it.
And uh after a while, they all decide, you know, Todd Beamer said, let's roll, and the sequence where they take down the two hijackers watching them, and then literally the way I almost don't want to describe this this to you, but the uh the way they take over the cockpit and the raw emotion and uh anger that they are exuding, uh uh it's it's indescribable.
You cannot help but think it's real.
It shot all of this in the airplane shot with a handheld camera, so it's jerky and it moves around and it the music is powerful.
I couldn't tell a melody, of course, but it's it was a great production.
Now, I don't know if I saw pre-release print or if I saw the final version, but there was no cast.
They rolled the credits, but no cast identified, and I didn't know if that was on purpose or if they just hasn't haven't gotten around to doing a movie opens on 28th.
Uh, if they if they don't have cast mentioned in it, it's because they don't they don't want to um uh you know identify these heroes on this plane uh uh and actors playing them.
But that again, that could just be that this is a pre-release print that uh that we saw yesterday.
Let me take a brief time out here.
Um we'll come back and get ready uh to go with all the other things.
Plus your phone calls coming today on open line Friday on the EIB network.
Hi, welcome back.
It's Rush Limbaugh on Open Line Friday.
And let me uh uh open line Good Friday, actually.
Let me add a couple more things about the movie I wrote.
One of the things that, you know, we all watched it, we walked, we walked out to the lobby of the theater, we were discussing it.
You know, one of the things somebody asked me was, do you think we've learned anything?
And I said, You're talking about the way uh air defenses are portrayed.
Yeah, yeah.
And I said, well, obviously half the country hasn't learned anything.
I see what you mean.
I'm not even talking about air defenses.
I'm talking about the people of the country.
Half the if, well, not half.
I mean I'm uh I'm assigning a statistical half of the country to the libs.
It's not that large.
Who, whatever percentage of libs haven't learned anything, they still don't think this is worth it.
They still don't think that this enemy is worth it.
And I tell you what, these generals and everybody out there demanding that Rumsfeld retire or resign or be fired.
You tell me who that's gonna benefit.
What difference is it gonna make?
Put somebody new in with 32 months to go.
What difference?
This is all a plan designed to take down Bush.
This is all a plan to take down this administration.
Rumsfeld's just the latest target.
They may have genuine animosity for him.
Probably means he's effective.
Most of these ex-generals are the ex-Clinton era guys, Zinny and this stuff.
But we've got details on some of these people.
Let you hear what they said about Iraq back when they were running the show.
Sounds identical to what you hear Rumsfeld say about Iraq building up to this current war that we're having.
But I I I think that uh whatever percentage of the country is is is made up of kooks, Fringe liberals and so forth, they have not learned the lesson of 9-11.
And I have no clue if they venture into a theater to watch this, if they will learn anything from it, other than stoking their irrational assessment that it's all Bush's fault.
Uh and they they truly believe that, and they truly believe that Bush is creating more terrorists or Rumsfeld or whoever.
But this movie is uh one of the things that amazed me was how uh gripped I was.
I I there's not a moment I looked at my watch, okay, how long we've got to go on this.
I usually do that during every movie I watch.
At some point I look at the watch to see how long I've been watching.
It didn't do that once, uh, didn't do it till the movie was over, had no idea how much time would pass.
Uh the way this is put together, it's it's suspenseful from the moment it opens.
Uh and I think that that's incredible given that everybody knows ultimately what's going to happen.
You know at every stage of this movie what's going to happen when you're watching the radar of American Flight 11 leave Boston until it leaves the screen when they turn off the transponder in the cockpit.
You know what's going to happen, and yet, and uh, you know, there's a part of me that was one little moment where I said, gosh, I hope I hope what I know is going to happen doesn't happen.
Uh it just one fleeting moment, because now that when you're watching it, you see it, we know the past.
Can we stop it from happening again?
And that was the question I was asked.
Have we learned anything?
And uh I think based on the Massawi trial, yeah, we're trying to fix a lot of things.
The Patriot Act, you look at this boondoggle.
I mentioned this a little bit yesterday, the the Massawi trial, he's his his death penalty phase, the government seeking death on the basis that Massawi could have stopped 9-11, but he didn't tell anybody.
And I that uh that may be you know legally factually true.
I I but I'm still amazed that here's the big bad U.S. government depending on a conspirator to admit it, or we have no chance.
The government's running around saying, well, well, he didn't tell us.
Don't blame us, he didn't tell us he's gotta die.
Fine, put him to death.
He deserves it.
But uh you find out that why we we we couldn't ask him.
We couldn't ask him what he could.
We couldn't look at his computer because of the wall that Jamie Gorellick and the Clinton administration had built.
We couldn't share information.
The FBI couldn't share information with the CIA and any of this because of the Clinton-era wall on uh on fighting these terrorists and in in legal proceedings using grand jury testimony, that's secret, a lot of other reasons for the wall as well.
So Bush comes and has to clean up the mess left by the Clinton people who were inattentive to real problems.
So you got the Patriot Act, we've got the NSA foreign uh surveillance program, Democrats trying to kill it.
They tried to kill the Patriot Act, they uh the second time around, applauded when they thought they had.
So you ask, have we learned anything?
I'm not sure.
I'm I'm in fact I'm I'm damn sure that a significant portion of the country hasn't learned didddly squat because they're so poisoned with partisan rage that they haven't the guts to face up to the fact that we have an enemy.
Their enemy is George W. Bush.
If we try to push Rumsfeld out, if if if you people joined it, not you, but if if people join this effort of these ex-generals, uh, which is the latest drive-by media hit to get rid of Rumsfeld, it's only going to benefit the enemy.
They're gonna be laughing themselves silly in the caves on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border and over in Tehran and some of the mosques in Iraq, they're just gonna be rubbing their hands in glee.
And they're gonna be thinking their allies, the ex-generals of the of the past Clinton administration, Democratic Party, and the Democratic Party in this country.
It will it that there's for some reason there seems to be an ongoing effort to try to sabotage any effort we make to defeat this particular enemy.
This attack on Rumsfeld is an attack on Bush and the war effort.
It would be a huge victory for the enemy.
And who are they gonna confirm in his place?
Well, Sen Cheney over there.
Oh, that that would really go great.
Who can you imagine a confirmation hearings for a new Secretary of Defense?
It'd be all about torture and so forth.
They're reviving today in certain places on the internet, they're reviving all of these incidents where Rumsfeld was personally involved in torture.
Well, Hell's Bells, go see this movie and tell me if you wouldn't want to do something to these creeps that did this to us.
This movie will revive this kind of emotion in you.
The idea that that it's just frustrating as hell, especially having seen the movie to come out and understand that there's a significant portion of this country of the drive-by media who wants to treat these uh uh people that that hijacked these airplanes and want to do it again and want to do it in an even greater impact in greater numbers, treat them like just innocent little kids.
We shouldn't be tough.
It's it boggles the mind.
So I don't know if we've learned anything as a as a as a fool nation.
No, we haven't.
I hold out hope.
Uh and and I pray that the majority of the country has learned a lesson.
You'd think the Dubai Port deal would indicate that they have, and some of the opposition to immigration.
Be back.
Don't go away.
By the way, you know, uh ladies and gentlemen, and one of these uh one of these generals, I think Baptiste, uh yeah, uh uh retired Major General uh John Batiste, uh one of several high-ranking military men urging the ouster of Rumsfeld said Friday there is no coordinated effort to get him fired, calling a recent series of critical statements absolutely uh coincidental.
Yeah, it just all happens at once, doesn't it?
And it's just coincidental and just an accident.
Yes, how stupid do they think we are?
Let me tell you how this works.
He can't do this without the drive-by media.
And is I'm gonna tell you this is exactly how this works.
Now they didn't get all together.
These generals didn't call each other, and they didn't all get in a room and say, okay, this week we launch.
It wasn't like that.
One guy, one general, probably Zinnie, since he's the most long-term complainant on this, but I don't know who it is.
One of them will go talk to the media.
And he will tell the media, you know, I'm not the only one.
There's a bunch of generals.
Bunch of flag officers.
Think the same thing.
And of course, the drive-by media reporter say, Who?
And well, let me whisper the names to you.
Bam!
So Zinny or whoever it is mentions all these other names, and that's all it takes.
Drive-by media gets on the phone with the camera crews, and they go out and they find all the guys that this one general happens to mention.
So it doesn't take a meeting with the generals coordinating everything.
All you'd have to do is understand how to play the drive-by media like a stratavarius.
And that's what they've done.
No, there's no question.
This doesn't happen like this accidentally or coincidentally.
This could not happen without the drive-by media.
Here, we've we've illustrate this very easily.
Uh, grab audio soundbite number one.
We have a montage of practically everybody who's on cable television and broadcast news describing this.
Uh, and this is from last night, this morning, you name it.
Revolt of the generals.
Six retired generals call for Defense Secretary Rumsfeld to resign.
The revolt by former generals against Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is growing.
Should Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld resign?
Five recently retired generals calling on the Secretary of Defense to resign.
A revolt of the generals calling for Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to go.
Two more retired generals have come out saying that Donald Rumsfeld should step down.
Five other retired generals calling for Secretary Rumsfeld to resign.
The chorus of retired generals is getting louder.
Six are calling for Rumsfeld to resign.
Six retired generals calling for Rumsfeld's resignation.
Six retired generals adding their names to the resignation roster.
Two more retired generals called for his resignation.
Six retired generals now and counting.
The ranks of retired generals calling for Donald Rumsfeld to resign are growing.
Six retired generals have publicly called for Rumsfeld's resignation.
The fourth now general says he should resign.
Six retired generals, fifteen stars all together aligned against Donald Rumsfeld.
All right, so you see, folks, I mean, this the media deceit says that this is the latest drive-by hit.
And all it takes is for one general to call somebody in the media.
Yeah, I'm coming out tomorrow.
I'm gonna say Rumsfeld's got to go like a dog panting after it's run in a hot sun.
And and and well, general says, yeah, and a couple others that agree with me on this.
Who are they?
And bamboo, we get last night and today.
And next week there'll probably be some more.
You know, they want to get in on the act here.
Uh but who benefits?
Now You could say, okay, if the if the White House or Rumsfeld cave here, if they if if they do this, if if this is unthinkable.
It is unthinkable.
What are these people thinking?
This is actually gonna result in Rumsfeld's resignation.
Is George W. Bush want to give the drive by media and these ex generals who are writing books and hoping to make money on all this is gonna is he actually gonna take action, will transfer the power of that type to these ex generals in a drive by media?
You think Rumsfeld will?
Well, let's say that they did.
Let's say that they did.
Let's say they cave on this.
I hope they don't, but let's say they I can't imagine.
Bush is not the Bush I know if he caves on this, but if he does, okay, we gotta have a replacement.
What could he do?
Well, he could send uh he could send Condi over to the uh vice presidency and get her set up for oh eight while sending Cheney over to the Pentagon to be Secretary of Defense.
Ha ha ha ha ha.
That would remember one of my old theories long time ago was for Bush to go out and make so much damn news that drive by media couldn't pick one item to focus on for a week and just get them all confused.
So if you send Cheney uh over to uh what's his face, uh the Pentagon, you send Condoleez to get her out of the State Department and send her over to vice presidency, and and you got confirmation earrings and all this, and then maybe you throw McClellan out of there and put some new spokesman in uh in the White House press off.
Oh, you could cause all kinds of havoc and you could get the drive-by media uh just totally distracted and uh and and Bush could rearrange the deck chairs on a Titanic, as they would say.
Uh I mean the latter might be fun, but I I hope it doesn't happen.
This is such a setup.
This is this is uh this says who wants to use the military?
For what?
Uh I'm I'm he I'm I'm missing what you're talking about.
Snerdley's sending me a no.
What memo Harry the Democrat wanted to use the memo use the uh the the military for what uh oh you mean Bush's incompetent use of it?
Or they want to appropriate oh okay, uh there was.
I now I remember, okay.
There it was a uh a demi uh Democrat strategy memo written by Dingy Harry, and it i i it it did target the uh the military.
They were gonna come out and they were gonna accuse Bush of being incompetent uh in use of the military and Rumsfeld will be part of that.
So what okay, so this is the f the fruition of that memo.
This is this is yeah, it pr I'm sure it this is not coincidental.
And it's not hard.
You get Zinney will come out against Rumsfeld or Bush any day of the week, uh, old Clinton guy.
Uh we'll tell you a little bit more about uh uh Zinny here in just a second.
Before we go any further into this, ladies and gentlemen, we have Katie from Michigan on the phone.
You remember she last spoke with us, a little bit afraid of the reaction her uh her professor in political science got after having been mentioned by her on this program.
Uh she called his class Communism 101.
I wanted to know how she got uh what she got in her on her paper in terms of a grade, and I guess you got your paper back, right, Katie?
Yes, I did.
And tell us the news.
Well, uh I got a B minus on a paper.
The Bible.
How do you feel about how do you feel about that?
I'm sorry?
How do you feel about that?
Um I think it's good, actually, because um my teacher pulled me aside and explained to me what why I got that grade and um So yeah, it's a fair grade.
He I think he wanted me to go into more detail.
So um but yeah.
I just thought you would want to know.
I did want to know.
Well now, do you is there a way we could see the paper?
I mean, I I guess I could email it to you.
I don't want to I don't want to post it on the website or any of that.
I just since he says it's not detailed, and since I was a a uh a little helper with you.
Well, I no, I mean I agree with him what he said, like um it wasn't detailed enough based on what he wanted.
Um But um actually I got in trouble for um he didn't like that I said capitalism needs no defense.
See I knew that.
See, that's my fault because I told you that should be the theme.
Capitalism needs no defense.
And his his beliefs are the ones that need defense.
Capitalism works every time it's dried.
Socialism, communism fa so I'm you did that.
You'd start by capitalism needs no defense.
I'm proud of you.
Well, I did that and but he but he said um don't don't do that for an academic paper because you need to be able to defend you know, present both sides, and I don't think I did a very good job of presenting um the other side.
What other side?
What other what other side did you not present?
Marx Marx's views.
Marx Marxism's failures.
Yeah.
So I I guess I just I don't know.
Well, I guess you can read it.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
Didn't he t was it the subject of the paper you had to defend capitalism?
Well, it my arguments would have been stronger if I would have um laid out Marx's views a little better and explained um the professor knows them.
I know, but uh to be more to be a persuasive writer or speaker, you must um you know, give both sides and let people decide for themselves what they want to believe.
I guess this is this is why I would have never made it in college.
That sounds like a journalism class.
I thought you're in political science.
I thought I thought the assignment was to defend capitalism or some such thing, and now you're you you're telling me you had to give a a big presentation of both of these so called competing views.
One of them's never won diddly squat.
Well not even a competitor.
Well, I mean, uh the he wanted he wanted to know that I learned what Marx thinks.
He'd not necessarily that I would agree with it, just that I would be able to pinpoint out exactly what I'm saying.
Well now that makes sense because one one thing, yeah, if when you're in the in the when you've established the premise that capitalism needs no defense, uh and then you go on and write under that premise, then it would be helpful if you would uh offset your examples of positive examples of capitalism with a corresponding uh uh list of the problems uh with the with Marxism.
If you didn't do that, you did miss an opportunity to powerfully persuade whoever would read the paper.
Right.
So you learn.
I mean you're you're just gonna be.
I did.
I've learned a lot and I also have learned that um, you know, it's just sad to me at least that um Americans we've kind of gotten ourselves into a screaming match with one side or the other.
Like I mean, I'm trying to learn both sides and it's just hard with a lot of issues that I'm trying to figure out what my view is to decide, you know, because people just want they don't want to listen to the other side.
So I think that's I think that's been the hardest part for me right now in college.
No one no one wants to listen to what I have to say and sometimes I don't want to listen to what other people have to say, but I'm trying to learn to at least hear people out and stuff.
Yeah, that's good.
But you know, tell you a little bit about this this persuading other people business.
Um we do we do live in a highly charged political climate, very partisan right now.
The important thing uh is to stand up after you learn it and it's become part of your core.
The important thing is to always stand up for it.
And you never know who you're gonna persuade.
That most likely the people that you end up persuading you'll never know.
Uh they won't want to admit to you uh that you've persuaded them.
You never know the people are gonna influence in life when you stand up for who you are.
When you when you when you uh have a well defined core and you're not ex not afraid or intimidated to express it.
You can go through the motions of of uh hearing people out and so forth, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Uh and it m y you'll learn from it.
You'll learn how to counter what it is they believe based on the on the core values and and principles that you have.
Uh but uh you know, li th this has been the the way the country's been within the population group that cares about all these political issues.
It's never been other than the way it is right now.
It's just being amplified because uh media is getting so big and there's so much media now.
But there there's you go you should go back and look when you have time, study some of the journalism at the days of the founding of this country uh during the civil war.
I mean journalism today is is soft soap compared to some of the pamphleteering and the knockdown drag out stuff That was going on during the uh the early days of the country.
It was really vicious back then.
That's why I mean it's bad today, too, but I mean at least there's there's uh so much of it that things everybody seems to think it's worse when they're alive than it's ever been.
Um but didn't but didn't back then um newspapers kind of were made to kind of go along with one political party or the other.
They were more way more partisan.
I mean Yeah, they were.
Well well, that's arguable if they're more partisan.
Well, yeah.
The difference back then was yeah, the papers willingly align themselves with parties.
Right, and people knew that.
I think that's the same.
Yes, people knew it.
Today, papers and networks align themselves with parties and people but deny it.
Right.
So you got a great future here, Katie.
You just you've got you've got the right desires, you have the passion here.
You uh you I know that you have, I can tell been talking to you all these times, you have a a thirst for learning and knowledge and so forth.
So don't lose that passion.
Well, thank you.
I I really would like to meet you someday.
And you know, if you ever need uh a researcher or intern, you you know where to you know where to find me.
Well, no, I don't.
Uh we only oh we know how to get hold of her now.
Snerdley finally got your phone number.
That doesn't surprise me.
Um so we got well, I want to give you uh uh uh I'm gonna have him call you give an email address because I would love to see your paper.
Okay.
Okay, and I promise I won't I won't I won't show it to anybody or any of that.
Okay.
All right.
All the best, Katie.
Great to great to hear from you again.
Thank you very much.
All right.
Have a great weekend.
And you do the same thing.
And we'll take a brief time out and be back right after this on open line Friday.
Hey, Katie, if you're still out there, I feel like getting you in some more trouble here.
And we just finished talking with Katie from Michigan.
She got a B minus on her paper in her political science class uh because the professor said she didn't do a good enough job presenting both sides, basically.
She uh should her capitalism side well, uh and she he said that uh uh she shouldn't start it with the premise capitalism needs no defense because it wasn't a purpose paper.
Uh and she didn't get a good enough job explaining Marxism.
Katie, if you if you want to get into some more trouble, go ask your professor if he can explain both sides.
I'm sure he can explain Marxism to you, but ask him if he could uh explain capitalism accurately.
Um this is why I wouldn't make it as a as a college student.
Now about this this Rumsfeld business.
Let me pose something.
I I talked about this.
The the fact that the the generals and the uh and uh and a drive-by media make it a big deal about Rumsfeld resigning practically ensures he's gonna stay.
If Bush was thinking about firing him, he can't now he's not gonna he's not gonna surrender that kind of power, apparent power, to the drive-by media and the generals.
If Rumsfeld wanted to quit, if he was thinking of resigning, he doesn't dare now uh he'd have to stay.
So essentially the generals and the drive-by media get the opposite of what they want by virtue of their own behavior.
If keeping Rumsfeld or getting rid of Rumsfeld is actually what they want.
Maybe these ex-generals want Rumsfeld to stay because they think everything is such a disaster that his staying and their complaining about him will take all the heat off of them for anything they have failed to do in the historical context.
I mean, this is deep, folks.
There could be because you have to you you have to wonder is the left and these generals this stupid.
They have to know that this cacophony demanding Rumsfeld's resignation practically guarantees he can't go anywhere, and that Bush can't fire him.
You have to think they've got the smarts to figure that out.
So if they do, it means they actually want Rumsfeld to stay.
Then you've got to ask why.
Hmm.
Now I have I have really botched the uh execution of the programming format in this hour because I went long with the uh call with Katie, and it means this segment is really short, and it's really not wise to do it's not good, and I apologize for it.
It sounds like we're more commercials than ever before, and we don't.
We haven't added any.
It's it's just this is not highly trained broadcast specialist format execution, and I promise that uh it it won't happen uh too many more times.
All right, we've still got lots of uh news today, immigration news.
The French have caved again, this time on a smoking ban.
They caved into smokers.
And I love French smokers.
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