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April 5, 2006 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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April 5, 2006, Wednesday, Hour #2
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You know, I'm just looking at a picture here of the federal agent fully armed storming the little house in Miami where little Elian Gonzalez is being held, and I we we we used to return Hispanics to their homes.
We we used to do that.
We used an armed federal agents into innocent people's homes to get this innocent little kid.
Anyway, I'm glad to have you back, folks.
800 282-2882, if you want to be on the program.
As always, we're thrilled to uh to have Tom Delay with us, uh, who has um shuffled the deck uh considerably with his resignation announcement this week.
Congressman, thanks for um uh being part of the program today.
As always, great to have you with us.
Well, thank you, Rush.
You know, you're you're partly responsible for any successes that I've had, so you you have to take some of the heat too.
Well, I'll join you in it.
It's the way of the world.
Look, uh the first thing I want to ask you about is I w we had some calls yesterday, and and uh I don't know if you heard about this, I know you've been busy.
But there are some people uh and I chastised them, but there are some people that that called the program and it's this anecdotal, I don't know how many this represents, but you maybe have heard this yourself that well, you gave up.
Well, you quit.
But you didn't hang in there and fight it.
The Democrats always hang in there and fight it.
And we just and we just keep rolling up and giving it away to him.
I tried to explain people uh that I had a different take on it.
But why not why don't you address that uh first off the bat here.
Well, it may it may appear that way, Rush, but I I think I'm winning.
Uh first of all, uh they had me tied down in a reelection campaign to where I had to focus completely on getting reelected.
Uh I think I could have won the seat, but it it it struck me that I can fight in another arena um uh and and still hold the seat for the Republicans.
I I am now I I feel totally liberated.
I'm gonna be out there talking about the conservative agenda.
I'm gonna be working very hard to get rid of the federal tax code and replace it with the fair tax.
I want to continue my effort to uh um uh hold the judiciary accountable.
Uh I there's just a lot of great things I could be speaking out about and and I could not do that.
Uh I I'm gonna I'm gonna work very hard to elect Republicans to carry the republi the conservative cause.
Well, but you could have done that had you won and been re-elected, but let's get to the No I couldn't no, even if I'd have been re-elected, there was no assurance that I could go back into leadership and and use my talents where the where they could be used.
Oh okay.
Use more.
I I I wasn't going to step back into leadership.
Uh so um now I can I'm free to go around the country and organize people and get 'em motivated and let's let's keep beating Democrats.
And I and believe me, I'm going to be talking about the Democrats' strategy of criminalizing politics.
I'm going to be talking about the fact that they have no agenda.
All they have is using and abusing our judiciary uh so for their political gain as they and I can point to Ronnie Earle in the People's Republic of T Travis County, Texas.
Uh and and I can be an example, and I am an example, of uh the way they play politics, which is dirty in the gutter.
Uh and and I'm you know, well that's that's because they can't win in the arena of ideas, so they have to destroy their opponents or discredit them because they can't beat them in the arena of ideas anymore.
They which which I mean they they they won't even be honest about the things they believe.
They have no agenda uh uh to speak of.
Well they do, but they won't be honest about it.
But I want to I want to go back to one thing about your your your resignation because what I I mentioned this yesterday, but a lot of people don't know it.
Uh you you have spoken uh since your announcement that your objective is to maintain a Republican majority.
And people have uh you know, there's some people that that believe that and some don't.
I uh I I think people need to know in in forming their opinion about this, that during the time of Texas redistricting, you carved up your own district and made it less secure for yourself, less Republican, uh, in order for there to be more Republican seats electable in the state of Texas.
That's correct.
And that and and that's why you're in this close race because your district isn't what it used to be.
Yeah, I went from uh about a sixty-five percent district to a fifty-four percent district, uh Republican district, uh thinking that I could uh carry uh and and appeal to Democrats and independents like uh George W. Bush does in my district.
He gets sixty-five percent of the vote.
Uh but uh obviously when you when you're being pummeled every day by the national media and your local paper, uh and things develop like they they develop for me that it takes a toll.
Well, there wasn't uh I think there was uh uh a movement in Hollywood to raise money for your Democrat opponent in this district that would have cost you a lot of money, and I think you said that it would require a lot of resources be brought into your one district uh and it would have harmed others.
So you so th this is this is uh uh as you say, this is really a move designed to take you off the front page and out of the uh to take the bullseye off your back um and and give the Democrats nothing to shoot at where it comes to Tom Delay uh and and put me and put me in a different arena.
I I uh be look, the Democrats went after me.
I and I'm not bragging, it's it's just true because I was effective.
And and wh how was I effective?
I was effective because we built the largest strongest political coalition in my lifetime right here in Washington DC and around the country.
Well, you know, can I interrupt you?
I got you keep you keep uh inspiring me to make comments here.
The uh the Democrats held the House for forty years.
You we've we've held the House, you guys from 1994, uh 95 when you were sworn in.
Uh it's basically been eleven or twelve years that the Republicans have held a majority, and everybody's dumping on you as the hammer and your tactics and how did you do this, and nobody wants to go back and look at some of the tactics the Democrats use to hold on to the House for forty years.
Shutting you guys out of meetings and so forth to clear one way street.
Well, uh they they hate our tactics because they're winning and they're ineffective.
Uh uh you know, they hate the fact that uh we had the K Street pro uh uh strategy because we came into a town as a Republican majority with uh all the lobbyists in town, Democrats, because they were hired uh because their buddies were in charge uh before we came in.
And we insisted that they start uh hiring Republicans.
Uh and we went from when we first came in in 1995, most of the uh campaign contributions, seventy percent in this town were going to Democrats, thirty percent to Republicans.
You know what it is today?
Sixty percent Republican, forty percent Democrat.
Why?
Because we built this huge political uh uh coalition and now you got all these leftist groups, the common cause, Democracy 21, uh bemoaning the fact that we actually built a a conservative coalition.
They hate it because it we uh I mean is this place doesn't work because Tom Delay goes out and introduces the bill and it becomes law.
It takes a huge national uh effort to to make these things happen.
And it takes and it also takes money to make these things happen.
Yeah, and well, when you when you uh when you did this, you shook it up because they didn't think that something like what you did was possible.
That's correct.
They they thought that you know they think power is an entitlement of their own and that it's almost a birthright.
You've come in uh you and and the and the whole class of nineteen ninety-four um with with the the that shook everything up.
The liberal class.
still haven't got they still haven't gotten over it though guys make their their their whole movement is fracturing toward the kook lunatic fringe and making them their base you You know, and uh I had a question asked me this morning.
Why is there so animos uh so much acrimony in in Washington?
Why can't you just the Rodney King just get along?
Well, we got along when the Republicans had a minority mind uh mindset and were just happy to get a few crumbs off the Democrat majority's table.
And everything was wonderful and we all got along as long as the Democrats were in power and doing what they they they do best, raise taxes, bigger government and all that.
When we took over, the day that we took over, uh all of that stopped because the Democrats had lost power, which is all that they live for, and they have fought us every step of the way on everything that we've done.
Uh and and they've done it in in as evidence in my case, in a gutter type politics.
Uh they they are still in denial that these Neanderthals uh actually gained the motor majority and are actually doing what they promised the American people they'd do.
And the headline in the Washington Post, I think uh there are many stories on you today in the newspapers, but the uh one here at the top of my stack, the Washington Post, delay departing on his own terms.
And and Congressman, I think that is the core of what infuriates them today.
Yesterday they were feeling very powerful.
The Democrats have have gotten themselves in circumstances now where um uh being emotionally satisfied substitutes for victory for them.
Paul Hackett loses by four points and they throw parties thinking he had a moral victory.
They they lost.
Here you're going out on your own terms.
They were hoping to have you around with a bullseye front and back uh your shirt to kick you around and make you the face of this culture of corruption or whatever other sloganeering they wanted to use.
You took it uh took it away from them and it took them a day to realize wait a minute this is not good for us.
Well I hope they think that because it's not I'm going to be out there doing what I do best and that's uh uh the conservative cause and uh electing conservative Republicans.
Well hang on just a second I got a break there's some other things about you in the news Cynthia McKinney and you've also uh been well that's important and you've been you've been critical of uh of the fact that there's no agenda in the uh on the House uh side Republican side of the House I want to talk to you about that right after a break sure I can right back after this folks stay with us and we are back on the Rush Limbaugh program at EIB network with Congressman Tom Delay.
All right Washington Times story today headline says it all House GOP lacks agenda delay says I quote you as saying we don't have an agreed agenda breaking up our leadership is taking his toll uh what what's what's that pretend?
Well I I think he mis uh misunderstood what I was saying.
What I was saying was the Democrats knew what they were doing.
If you take the leader, the majority leader out that so disrupts uh the leadership it takes time, logistic time just to put it all back together.
Remember what this story does have there's a you have a great line in this story.
The only reason I was indicted was the stupid rule that allows the Democrats to pick the Republican leadership.
That is a great line because the Republicans came up with this rule trying to please everybody if any of our leaders ever get indicted they'll step out of the leadership position.
Democrats have no such rule right that's that's correct.
They don't have to do it so all they have to do is convince Ronnie Earl to do what he did and you're out.
Yeah and Ronnie Earl has done it many times before he doesn't care about winning a case or that he plays he abuses his office to play politics.
Okay so you don't you're you're not saying in this story that there's nobody in the House that can put together an agenda and lead it.
You're just No no no what I'm saying is what just take the the situation where we had to go spend what, three or four weeks through a leadership race.
That takes time out of putting the uh the actual agenda for the year together.
Poor old John Boehner when he got elected majority leader, uh he had to put together a staff of twenty people.
he had to go out and hire 20 people.
And obviously he wants to hire good people.
That takes time.
And then those people have to get comfortable in what their assignments and responsibilities are.
That takes time.
So we have been kicked off a track, and I'm not criticizing the leadership for it.
It's just what happens when, in the middle of a Congress, you disrupt the leadership.
You know, I understand all that, but to those of us out here in the red states, outside
the beltway it seems that there's been a uh uh a loss of discipline uh in both the House and the Senate uh mostly in the Senate but but there's some in the House too uh on the conservative side people uh I mean I know you've got some moderate Republicans in the in the House but it's largely uh conservative and they they campaign on conservative uh issues and the conservative agenda and somehow they get to Washington and after a number of years they forget that they start moderating a little bit so as not to offend the media there,
not to offend the Democrats or whatever and it seems like the whole conservative agenda gets watered down.
And so when you when you say that the they need to take some time to put together an agenda put together some people those of us out here simply saying it's just conservatism.
It works every time it's tried just go back to that.
Well that's just it.
We we we have an agenda.
It's in place all along it's limited government, no lower taxes, uh tort reform, uh protect uh the people from the judiciary, uh uh protect the family from the culture wars.
Uh uh th that's our vision and our uh and in our philosophy and our world view.
Uh actually putting that in bills and having it come have uh work through the committees and bringing it to the floor is is very difficult.
Uh and I gotta tell you, uh Rush, I uh I am very proud of what we did last year.
I I set an agenda the first year as majority leader.
We had the most productive legislative year uh that we've had.
I mean, we we put three tort reform bills on the president's desk.
We've been working on that for ten years, uh finally got three through the Senate.
Uh we did an energy bill that's a l a long, far reaching bill that uh moves us more uh to d uh independence on energy, not just go out and find oil and gas, but but nuclear energy and and all kinds of other things.
I mean, we actually cut spending for the first time since uh uh Ronald Reagan.
We we actually took a look for the first time since nineteen ninety-seven at all uh entitlement programs and reformed them.
Now, granted, we only save forty billion dollars, but it was the first time that we took a look at every entitlement program, which is something I wanted to start and do every year, just like we do all all other programs.
Yeah, but you created a new one.
I know the president wanted it, and I know you carried his water up there.
Well, I just disagree with you.
I am very proud of that.
We took we took Republican philosophy to the welfare state.
We introduced competition, choice, uh personal responsibility, uh new new uh health care methods that were not covered by by uh Medicare.
Uh I mean we s we are going to save money by by you know, the old Medicare system would pay forty thousand dollars to amputate your feet because uh you are diabetic, but wouldn't pay a hundred dollars a month for glucage to save your feet and keep you out of the hospital.
That is Republican philosophy applied to welfare state uh uh program.
If if we had not done that to welfare reform, we would have never had welfare reform.
And uh but believe me, we spent more money getting welfare reform than we were paying.
Well, maybe that's why the recipients don't like it because it is conservatism and a welfare state program.
All right.
Uh time's time's dwindling two things.
I need to ask you uh uh your opinion of this this out of control immigration debate that's going on right now.
Well, that's another thing we did last year.
We we passed a strong border security bill and and an enforcement bill.
And and that's what needs to be done right now.
The American people don't believe the federal government are going to protect our borders and enforce the law before you do anything else in the in immigration reform.
And I believe that.
And so we had a s I had a strategy that we would we would uh build a virtual wall along the Mexican border, that we would get rid of this catch and release philosophy and go to catch and remove philosophy, that we would start using real uh uh verifiable IDs so the employer knows that he's hiring an illegal or not and then enforce the law against employers,
and we would dry up some of the jobs that attracts people from fr especially from Mexico to come over here and work.
What that kind of pressure uh would allow you to look at and think about um a a guest worker program later.
But what do you think about the debate?
I know I I know that you feel proud of what you did, but what's going on right now is above and beyond that.
What what do you think of the general overall debate and its focus?
Um I got about a minute and a half here for this answer.
We'll hold you through the next break because I still want to get to uh Cynthia McKinney.
Okay, well, uh I I think what the Senate is doing came out of the Judiciary Committee is awful.
Uh the McCain uh Kennedy bill is just it it it undermines the rule of law.
It undermines our ability to protect our sovereignty, uh it will encourage more illegal immigration rather than discourage il illegal immigration.
That's the Senate's debate.
The House is standing firm on on doing border security uh and and protecting uh and enforcing the law against what the Senate's doing.
So you expect those two bills to be reconciled when they go to conference?
Well, I uh I'm not in leadership anymore, but I'm s suggesting to the leadership don't go to conference with a bill like that coming out of the Senate because until and uh we have uh have debated and passed uh uh an immigration reform bill uh out of the House, uh forcing the Senate to get rid of all this McCain Kennedy stuff and focus on border security and enforcement of the law.
That's what it needs to be done first.
And if there is no conference and there's no bill, then we just have a bunch of pontificating going on.
Well, then that's I it's election year and you got a bunch of people pandering.
You take it to the election.
Exactly.
Okay, hang on.
Just uh we got a little break here at the bottom of the hour and we'll get into a couple more things uh with Congressman Tom Delay.
Um specifically he says he's going to file an ethics complaint against Cynthia McKinney.
I ask you about that when we come back right after this.
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We welcome back Tom Delay, Congressman Tom Delay who announced his resignation.
Before I uh this week, before we get on to the Cynthia McKinney, I you know I meant to ask you this in the previous segment when you were talking about spending, but you have a chance here to tell people how the House works, particularly on the Republican side.
You're a conservative, and you you said that you're very proud of how spending was held and you made a uh a real dent in it for the first time since nineteen ninety seven.
It was only forty billion dollars, and even at that there were other conservatives in the House who were not happy with it.
Um Mike Pence is one.
So you're a conservative, he's a conservative, and yet there are divergent views on on how you define success.
Is there is there a uh I don't want to say a disunity problem in the in the House, but how does that play out as you hammer the leader go day to day trying to get people aligned uh and and vote together on these issues?
Well, I I'm glad you brought it up because pe I hope people can understand that uh the Republican conference and the House of Representatives have divergent views.
Our most liberal member is more conservative than the most conservative Democrat.
Uh so our the spectrum is not that wide, but they do have divergent views.
And I when I was whip, I I instituted what was called grow the vote.
And I knew that uh at at one time over the eleven years we got down to a five vote margin.
So if six Republicans were against what we were doing, we would lose.
So we we uh are almost forced to to work together, work out our differences and come up with something that would get us two hundred and eighteen votes.
That's very difficult to do.
It takes a lot of time, a lot of effort, a lot of building relationships and trust with each other, and and uh and it but we were able to hold it together and get as much uh of the conservative agenda that we could get with the votes that we had available.
Uh uh sure, if I were king uh the the world would look a lot different today than it was uh would trying to work with two hundred and thirty-two uh members of of of the House of Representatives.
Uh so uh but uh this this whole notion that that we're not interested in in spending or somebody said we're spending like drunken sailors, it's just not true.
Uh if you look at the trend lines of when we first took over, and particularly spending as a as a percent of gross national product, uh we have done a lot, not only to hold down spending, the opposite is also true.
Uh uh if the Democrats were in control, spending would be three times what it is right now.
Uh if the Democrats were in control, I mean we've in the House have passed tax cuts every year we've been in in session.
The opposite of that is it's been a twelve years since the federal government has raised taxes.
Why?
Because the Republican majority.
Uh we're not going we didn't come here to raise taxes.
Uh we cut taxes every year.
And and so um my point is is that sure we've got out of two hundred and thirty-two members, we probably got thirty or forty that would be classified as moderate.
Uh and and there are some conservatives that would like to change the world overnight.
But I I'm not being pragmatic, I'm just understanding what the votes are available and what you can do with the votes that you have available.
And I think we've done some pretty amazing things on very small margins.
When I came into Congress in nineteen eighty-five, there was only a hundred and eighty-five uh members uh uh of the Republican conference.
A hundred and eighty five.
In other words, the Democrats are running around with uh almost a hundred vote margin.
The best we've been it right is right now with a fifteen vote margin in the House.
and we're going to pretty amazing things.
So you're saying you can only get what you can get.
Let's also not leave the president out of this equation.
The president You know, he uh uh he he's he submits a budget every year and uh he hasn't vetoed any of the spending bills, and you uh uh as the uh as the leader in the House.
I mean, you're you're the on the Republican side, you're the one who uh carries the President's water, correct?
But but he hasn't vetoed it because we have the House, the Senate, and the Presidency, and we agree on what the number actually the President has provided the discipline against the Senate.
Uh I know this my Senate colleagues won't like this, but they love spending money.
And and and the the House and the the President have held numbers down.
It's been the president providing the the discipline, particularly over the last three years that I was majority leader, where he started cutting the road the uh rate of growth the first uh three years ago, we actually reduced the rate of growth.
Two years ago we actually froze spending, and last year we actually cut spending.
And the president provided that discipline.
Because we're not going to send him a bill to veto.
We're going to send him a bill he w he'll agree to sign.
That's why he hadn't vetoed any bills.
All right, Cynthia McKinney.
Uh you said on Fox today that uh she's racist and and has pretty much used racism as her leverage the whole time she's been in the House.
You also say that you are going to file an ethics complaint against her.
Uh tell us about these things.
Well, first of all, I have to tell you that I I have the utmost respect for the United States Capitol Police.
These guys are under tremendous pressure to protect precious property and precious lives on on Capitol Hill, and they've done an outstanding job and are incredibly courageous.
Every time when on 911, when when the planes were headed towards the Capitol or and towards the Pentagon, you know what the Capitol police did?
They stayed in the building.
The rest of us ran.
These people have incredible courage.
I lost one.
Uh uh I had a Capitol policeman, two of 'em, one of them killed in my office, and one of them killed outside of my office, protecting me and my my young staff.
When was this?
When was this?
This is about eight years ago.
Uh uh uh uh a shooter came through, killed the officer at the door, ran into my office and killed the uh uh John Gibson uh who's very close to me, one of my security officers in my office.
Uh you you were there?
I was there.
And uh and he he did it such a way it was unbelievable.
He let the shooter run past him, he was in plain clothes and knew and had to yell at him to turn him around because he knew if he shot him in the back, he could shoot the young people sitting at the desk in front of him.
So and he took uh bullets point blank and it killed him.
Uh these these are people in fact it took courage to uh c to uh uh confront uh uh McKinney.
He didn't know that she wasn't a suicide bomber.
He didn't know she didn't have a con congressional pen on, she had changed her hairstyle, he didn't immediately recognize her, and and yet he showed the courage to go confront her and bring her back to to the control point, and she punched him.
Uh that is just and then explains afterwards that it was because he was white that he he uh uh stopped her.
That's incredibly outrageous.
And uh what I said was if somebody else does not file a uh ethics charge, I will.
Well, you think anybody will, or will it be up to you?
I would hope so.
Um what she did is is uh uh brings embarrassment to the House.
That is by that in itself is a violation of House rules.
Well, you know, it was just uh Even the Atlanta newspaper editorializing on this yesterday said that she it's just stupid.
All she would have had to done was to uh stop, uh tell the officer who she was, uh apologize not wearing the pen and go back through the metal detector and and she would have had a friend for life.
That's right.
It had to make a big scene out of it.
And I'll tell you what, you know, th th this is the thing.
The Democrats are up in arms today at her over this because they thought they had you on the front page and your resignation.
They thought they killed you off.
And now here comes Cynthia McKinney and she's taking all the oxygen out of your room and she's become the focal point.
They can't go forward with culture of corruption with her out there now.
And I think this would be a a great move to file an ethics complaint against her, uh, and especially if you're the one to do it, because that sends a signal that you haven't been defeated and you're not gonna take any of this line down, and you're still Tom Delay, and you're still who you are and you're pursuing what you believe in.
Well, yeah, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna I am gonna defend these Capitol Police and uh I'm gonna let the American people know that uh that they are incredibly professional and courageous and uh and I'm just not gonna l allow this to happen.
Uh I guess you said on you said on Fox today that she is racist and she has a uh if this quote is accurate, she has a long history of racism, everything is racism with her.
It's incredible arrogance.
That's it that's entirely true.
Uh her whole career is uh she bases everything on race.
Uh everything that's bad that er has ever happened to her is because she's black.
Um she is uh uh she's anti Semitic.
Uh she's uh that's just who she is.
Well, you know, this is uh uh uh I don't want to say courageous and I'm not trying to butter you up here, but these are charges that you just don't hear uh going in this direction.
Uh you uh normally you normally have the racism charge being made against people like you.
Yeah.
Well she is a racist.
All right, got to ask you one more question before we go, and that is the press.
Some members of the media having a little argument over who broke the story of your resignation.
Uh Chris Chris Matthews thinks he broke it.
Time uh time uh magazine's Mike Allen thinks he broke it.
Who did you tell first?
Uh Mike Allen.
Told Mike Allen first.
Yes, sir.
All right.
I I uh he's been very fair to me.
This is part of me trying to change the culture uh in Washington, D.C. and change the culture of the press.
Reward your friends, uh and you know the rest of it.
Uh uh I Mike Allen has been very uh uh uh uh good to me, not good to me, he's been very fair with me.
Uh and and uh I wanted somebody that would be recognized by the mainstream media as being a fair person to to get the story and get it out there, and I gave it to him.
It I'm he came to my house uh Monday afternoon and and interviewed me and he was writing the story.
I made the mistake of calling Chris uh Matthews before he had filed the story, and Chris immediately ran to the press.
But uh it was all about the same time.
What about the president?
When did you inform him?
Uh uh Monday afternoon.
Yeah, what was his reaction?
And he was uh a little sad.
Uh he tried to talk you out of it?
No, he was he was very gracious.
He knew that he knew that I had been going through a process of of uh uh uh trying to decide what uh uh what I was supposed to do, and uh um and and so he uh he he honored uh that process and honored my decision.
But was very gracious and thanked me for all the work uh I have done.
So when will your last day be?
Have you figured it out?
No, I haven't thought about any of that.
I'm gonna we're gonna be on Easter break.
Uh I'm gonna decide that.
There's a few things I want to clean up before for my district before I leave that I had started this year and uh it it'll be dictated by the congressional schedule.
But you are gonna retire uh uh resign in enough time for there to be a special election so that it's a won't be a special election.
You don't.
Texas has a law that there's only two dates that you can have a special election, November and May.
And uh this weekend the deadline for the May special election will have passed.
So it's gonna be an open seat election in November.
Yes.
Oh, okay.
Well well, uh look, next time we chat um uh you'll know more about what you're gonna do uh post uh your your uh resignation, and I'd be interested to hear that, how you're gonna carry the water uh outside Congress and uh try to accomplish your objectives.
We'll look forward to that.
Well, thank you.
And I hope you and I can talk privately about that.
I'd love to have your advice.
I'd love to talk anytime.
Let's go play golf.
You know, let's I'll tell you what.
Let's go fly to St. Andrew's.
I'll pay.
We'll stay in the old course hotel.
I love it.
No, you're not paying.
We're gonna ram it down their throats.
Right.
Thanks, thanks for your time.
That's Congressman Tom Delay on the phone with us in Washington.
A quick timeout, and we'll be right back after this.
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Here's Tom and in Waldorf, Maryland.
Tom, great to have you on the program, sir.
Hi, Rush.
I'll keep it very brief.
Uh, I just want to make the comment.
You know, your show is different out there because you very rarely do interviews.
It's mostly just all rush all the time.
That's because I'm the expert, and I don't I don't need to bring other people in and let them think they are.
And I don't need to, you know, I don't need to subordinate myself to the I'm the expert, but I appreciate your observation on that.
But that but if I might say, when you do do interviews on those rare occasions, they are absolutely the most first rate on the air.
It's still it's like the best of both worlds.
So I just want to pass that along.
Uh really appreciated the interview.
It was very cool.
I'm blushing.
Oh, that's awful.
I appreciate your saying that.
That's really very nice of you.
I I I thank you so much.
Well, thank you.
You bet.
Uh see it.
Uh we got to get Mike up there.
We can Mike's been holding on here for the whole hour.
He didn't want to surrender the line.
Mike in San Diego, I'm glad you waited.
I appreciate your patience.
Thanks much.
Oh, thank you.
Got an article here from the Washington Times National Weekly Edition for September 19th through 25th, 2005.
Talks about illegal aliens being arrested in nuclear power plants in Omaha, Iowa, and Florida.
I have the press release that the uh immigration and customs enforcement division of Homeland Security put out.
And you're exactly right.
And you know, I had I didn't know this uh until you called and alerted it to us, and then uh we were able to go to the ICE website and get the details.
ICE agents arrest illegal aliens at Omaha nuclear plant, arrest her latest in a series of illegal alien apprehensions at nuclear uh facilities in recent months.
Uh and I, you know, you I I'm sure that even though um th this came as a a shock to me, I can't believe that such concerned senators as Senator Schumer, who of course uh along with uh uh Republicans led the port deal charge to make sure that we weren't gonna have Arabs running the terminals at the uh at those ports uh because we just we just couldn't have that,
but now we've got some uh arrests last year of illegal aliens working at nuclear power plants.
Now, I don't know about you, but are nuclear power plant jobs are they now part of the category jobs the American people won't do.
I appreciate your heads up on this, Mike, and uh uh when I have more time, we'll we'll delve into some of the details.
Quick timeout now, back with much more in just you won't it's just a jiffy.
You won't even know the time's gone by.
Just sit tight.
Okay, here are the details on the arrests of illegal aliens at nuclear plants.
March 18, 2005, ICE agents arrested an illegal alien performing contract pipe insulation work at the Dwayne Arnold Energy Center nuclear power plant in Palo, Iowa.
During a two-week period in March 2005, ICE agents arrested six illegal aliens performing contract maintenance work at the Crystal River nuclear power plant in Citrus, Florida.
All were employees of a specialty services company now cooperating in an ongoing ICE investigation of one of the uh illegal aliens indicted on criminal charges of re-entering the country after deportation.
On November 7th of 2004, ICE agents get this arrested forty-four illegal aliens in the Marley Cooling Technologies Factory in O'Latha, Kansas.
It's outside Kansas City, where cooling towers for nuclear plants are manufactured.
The illegal aliens had used fraudulent documents, had made false statements to gain employment at the facility.
Aliens placed into immigration removal proceedings.
Marley Cooling Technologies cooperated in the investigation.
Now, the press release that I have here from ICE, the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Division of Homeland Security, does not identify the country from which the illegal aliens in these three instances were from.
So, pretty serious stuff.
Quick timeout here, my friends.
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