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January 19, 2006, Thursday, Hour #2

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	Thanks, Johnny.
	And it's nice being with you.
	It sure is.
	And we always have that phone line open here at the EIB, Excellence in Broadcasting Network.
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	The professor will be in tomorrow.
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	We appreciate you tuning in.
	His headlines, we're just not going to get to.
	I saw this on the ABC wires.
	Hamster and Snake, best friends at Tokyo Zoo.
	Something just tells me that that story may not have a happy ending.
	But we're not going to be able to get to that.
	Man said to fake death to keep child support.
	That's low.
	That is low.
	Let's see.
	Study indicates men, you've seen this.
	Study indicates that men enjoy seeing bad people suffer.
	I couldn't say that without a smile on my face.
	But don't women enjoy seeing bad people suffer?
	Yes?
	Okay.
	Well, apparently they claim that we react, we all react differently to it.
	And here's one that, you know, I'm just dying to know the details.
	Woman in Wendy's chilly finger case has regrets that she didn't have a manicure?
	I mean, I don't know.
	What could be the rest of that story?
	Hey, I am not shy about bashing television because there's a lot to bash on television, but I do want to make sure that I say good things when there are good things happening.
	And DirecTV Group and EchoStar Communications, these are apparently the nation's largest satellite television providers, say that they're going to offer packages of family-oriented channels joining cable companies.
	They took their steps, whether it was for pressures or business or whatever the reason being.
	I know that Kevin Martin, chairman of the Federal Communications Commission, has been trying to lead them into doing things like that.
	And so I salute them for offering packages of channels intended to weed out programming that might be inappropriate for family viewing.
	Good for them.
	I mean, let's face it, we knock them when they do bad stuff all the time.
	We should give them their due when they do something that's good, even if they're being forced into doing it, they're doing it.
	There are a couple of things I want parents to be aware of.
	Every teen, every 20-something in the United States apparently is already onto this and knows about it, forgetting about the mall, the movies, the school, whatever.
	If you're a teen in America today, the place to be is the social networking site, myspace.com.
	It has virtually exploded in the last few months.
	Google just named it the top gainer for 2005.
	In two years, MySpace has shot from zero to 47.3 million members.
	47 and how valuable is that?
	Rupert Murdoch knows a thing or two about business.
	He has purchased MySpace for $580 million.
	They came from nowhere, started at zero, and they were worth $580 million in a couple of years.
	That's all great.
	I'm not telling you to keep the kids off MySpace.com, but I want you to check it out.
	I want you to go to it.
	I want you to be aware of it because kids are getting on there.
	Kids under 14 are not supposed to be on there, but they are.
	There's no way to know.
	And there's stuff on there that kids under 14 shouldn't participate in.
	And any kid has to be careful because they're giving out too much information.
	Kids are disclosing too much personal information about themselves to strangers, and it's causing some dangerous situations.
	I'm just giving you a heads up because I feel like this is an opportunity to reach a lot of people and tell them.
	So be aware of that.
	I mean, this is like, it's the guy in the raincoat theory.
	I mean, if a guy knocked on your door at home and showed up with a raincoat on, he's like, hey, can I go up into your daughter's bedroom?
	You would not let him do that.
	Don't let them do it with the computer that's up in the bedroom with your children.
	Myspace.com.
	They have some safety tips there that parents should be aware of.
	You can also go to wiredsafety.org for information and be sure that you do that because your kids are doing it.
	They're just doing it, and you should be aware of what they're doing with their computer.
	Also, if you watch Noggin and the kids watch Noggin, a great little show.
	I've mentioned to you before, I've got a 13-year-old, I've got a 2.5-year-old, and Sophie watches Noggin.
	But at 6 o'clock, it becomes something way different from Noggin.
	It becomes like the N, and it ain't anything you want your kids watching.
	I'm here to tell you.
	I think they think it's okay for teenagers.
	It's not okay for my teenager.
	The N or N.com or whatever.
	Just a heads up.
	Just a little heads up on some of these things.
	All right.
	I was stunned to hear this.
	And I'm so glad that we have somebody bringing this to our attention who can help us understand just what's going on.
	By the way, in that last segment, you know, if you think we're union bashers, we're not.
	We got a guy here who is a prominent member of an organization that's a member, at least they were if they didn't break away from it with the AFL-CIO.
	TJ Bonner is president of the National Border Patrol Council, American Federation of Government Employees, which is in the AFL-CIO.
	T.J., welcome to the program.
	I'm Paul W. Smith.
	Hey, Paul.
	Thanks for having me on the show.
	I was stunned.
	I was stunned to hear that we've had the Mexican Army violating our border space not a couple of times, not a dozen times, but hundreds of times in the last 10 years.
	And I don't mean just, you know, whoops, I stepped over the line, didn't know where it was.
	I mean shooting at us and helping the drug cartel.
	It's outrageous, isn't it?
	It's unbelievable.
	What's really outrageous is for a lot of people, this is the first time they're hearing about it.
	Yeah, that's unfortunate because this has been going on for at least the last 20 years, and we've been trying to make noise.
	In fact, after a particularly egregious incident in New Mexico in 2000, where Mexican military units and two Humvees came into the United States over a mile into the United States, were shooting at our agents.
	We wrote a letter to the White House complaining about that and making specific recommendations.
	Not only did they not do anything about that, they sent us back a form letter that thanked us for raising concerns about international water boundary issues.
	You know, I saw, I have to tell you, the Limbaugh team here at the East Coast branch of the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies, all over this.
	They were up all night doing the research, and they have given me copies of the letters.
	The one that you wrote dated March 29, 2000, to one Honorable William J. Clinton, President of the United States, stating very clearly the problem there that you were facing at the border in the National Border Patrol Council.
	And you did get a form letter back saying thank you for your letter regarding the deficit in water deliveries from Mexican tributaries to the lower Rio Grande.
	But, you know, I mean, far be it from me to defend President Clinton, but the fact of the matter is these things do happen.
	I mean, somebody in an office threw that in the wrong pile and you got a stupid letter back.
	Have you ever had anything in those last five years, though, that would be at least showing that they're aware of the problem?
	Because what I'm seeing from our Homeland Security Secretary, Michael Cherdoff, he's saying that this is not a big deal.
	It's being blown out of proportion.
	I got to say, if you're a border officer and people are shooting at you from another country, another army on our territory, I don't know how you could think that could ever be blown out of proportion.
	Right.
	It may not be a big deal for him because he's safe in his office in Washington.
	And whenever he visits the border, the few times that he does, he's surrounded by bodyguards and they've swept the area to make sure that no one's around there who could harm him.
	But it's a big deal.
	If you're a lone Border Patrol agent out there and you're facing a dozen or more heavily armed Mexican soldiers who are shooting at you and you have a pistol, it's a real big deal.
	All right, so what do you say then, TJ, to Mr. Chertoff saying he does not believe that it's the military.
	He believes that they're just criminals wearing camouflage so that many may assume they're the military.
	I point back to that incident.
	And I think, by the way, they got their outfits at Walmart.
	That's what I'm thinking.
	I point back to the incident in New Mexico where we actually captured nine Mexican soldiers with bona fide uniforms, credentials, and State Department told us to send them back immediately, which we did with their weapons and their Humvee and everything.
	That was clearly a bona fide Mexican military outfit.
	Now, we can't prove it in the other cases because we generally don't capture them because we're outgunned and discretion being the better part of valor, we withdraw from the area.
	Unbelievable.
	I really hate to hear this.
	You're telling me, T.J. Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council, that one of our units, our border patrol units, are actually outmanned and outgunned by these criminals at the Mexican border?
	We're clearly outmanned and outgunned.
	We had an incident over the summer last year where two of our agents came upon 12 men dressed in black fatigues who opened fire on them, wounding both of our agents.
	The other agents who responded to the scene afterwards found about 500 pounds of marijuana in the area.
	They were clearly guarding that illicit drug shipment.
	Probably Mexican military.
	Can we prove it?
	No, because they fled back into Mexico, as happens in almost every one of these cases.
	And our agents have been shot at dozens of times down along the U.S.-Mexico border by what we believe and we know are Mexican military units.
	Now, it really doesn't matter whether it's some rogue breakoff unit like the Zetas, who were trained by the U.S. military, by the way, for counter-narcotics and have been hired by the cartels.
	It's still in Mexico's backyard, and it's their responsibility to clean it up and not allow it to happen.
	I just can't imagine the U.S. allowing that type of lawlessness to occur on its side of the border.
	But it's also happening on our side of the border.
	As you've pointed out, T.J. Bonner is with us, President of the National Border Patrol Council, American Federation of Government Employees.
	And he's saying, look, intrusions by the Mexican military to protect drug lords happening all the time and represent a significant threat to his agents.
	You can speak to TJ up next at 1-800-282-2882.
	That's 1-800-282-2882 on the Rush Limbaugh program.
	I'm Paul W. Smith.
	U.S. border agents complaining of being shot at by uniformed Mexican troops.
	Violence growing over the past two years.
	Things have gotten very bad.
	And in fact, Mexico is saying it's not what it appears to be.
	For its part, Mexico claims drug smugglers are dressing as soldiers to gain access to the border, and that its own army has strict orders not to go within a mile of the U.S. border.
	It seems impossible, but it apparently is true from eyewitnesses like T.J. Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council, which represents all 10,000 of the agency's non-supervisory personnel.
	And he's told us it was common knowledge along the border that some Mexican military units, federal and state police and former Mexican soldiers, are being paid by drug cartels to protect shipments of cocaine, marijuana, and heroin into these United States.
	Is that about right, TJ?
	Yes, it is.
	Let's go to the phones and see what our listeners have to say.
	At 1-800-282-2882, that's 1-800-282-2882.
	And we welcome Josh on a cell phone.
	Welcome in to the Rush Limbaugh program.
	Josh?
	Hey, W. How are you?
	I'm good, thank you.
	All right.
	Well, I'm a W myself, and our great president's a W.
	A lot of good W's.
	A lot of good W's, Josh.
	My question was, I think this border thing has gone past a legislative point.
	And with these invasions that are coming over, even from the Mexican Army, justifies the president actually getting our own Army involved.
	Well, what do you think about that, TJ?
	Do you need some reinforcements?
	I think that if Mexico refuses to police its own military and these criminals who are posing as their military, that it would be a good idea to have our military on standby to respond to those incursions.
	I don't think we should have them down there doing civilian law enforcement, but we're undermanned and outgunned when it comes to dealing with the Mexican military.
	I just, I always hate to hear something like that when one of our military units or our police forces are undermanned, undergunned against anybody else.
	How can that possibly happen in these United States of America?
	We are going to welcome in Congressman Rick Renzi coming up in this next half hour.
	He's got a red zone defense plan.
	Maybe we should call it Renzi's Red Zone, but we're going to talk about that with the Congressman.
	And TJ, if you can stick around, we'll keep you here too.
	As we go to Harlan in Tucson, Arizona.
	Hello, Harlan.
	Good morning, gentlemen.
	Hi.
	I worked as a criminal investigator on the Tonah Indian Nation, which borders the U.S. border with Mexico for eight years from 95 to 2003.
	And it was common knowledge there were incursions by the militia and by federales along the border.
	Border Patrol agents, law enforcement were shot at.
	And the interesting thing is, Border Patrol never wanted this publicized.
	But you could see them coming across.
	They hauled not only drugs, they hauled illegals.
	And there were incidents, questionable incidents, about them coming across and doing other illegal activities along the border also.
	Well, let's ask TJ.
	TJ, you heard what he said.
	You never wanted people to know about this?
	What's the story?
	The higher-ups didn't want people to know about it.
	The rank and file wanted people to know about it, but our voice wasn't heard.
	Of course, the folks in Washington try and cover up things like that.
	Why do they want to cover this up?
	Because we're so worried about our relationship with Mexico?
	I suppose that's part of it.
	You'd have to ask them.
	Would you get them on the line for me, Mamon?
	You should see his eyebrows.
	They just went up to the top of his head.
	Looked like they had hair for a second here, Mike.
	All right.
	Mike in McAllen, Texas, is on the Rush Limbaugh program.
	Mike?
	Hi, yes.
	You know, I don't always agree with conservative point of views on guarding the border, but it is true that the Mexican military is absolutely corrupt, you know, and I think our government has to put its foot down, you know, any way it can.
	I used to, you know, government, you know, immigration used to not be like this.
	I'm the son of an immigrant, and people used to come to work, you know?
	But things are different now.
	People, it's so corrupt in Mexico, and it's spilling over to this country, you know, this beautiful country.
	And, you know, I just hope the government really tips down, you know, puts its foot down there.
	Hey, you know what, Mike?
	God bless you.
	Here you are.
	You're the son of an immigrant.
	You have learned our language.
	I salute you for that.
	That's not been very popular lately.
	And you love this country.
	Yeah, I mean, it's beautiful.
	You know, it's just that I've seen the corruption and it's spilling.
	And, you know, really, really, you know, I think the government should put its foot down.
	You know, even I'm going to school here, you know, and they tell us, oh, the thing that the wall that they want to build is not going to work.
	You know, we have to do something, you know?
	And I don't know.
	I just do.
	And I'm also on the side of the Border Patrol agents, you know?
	They need to be protected.
	It's good of you to say.
	Good of you to weigh in, Mike.
	We appreciate that.
	We're going to Scott in Port Angeles, Washington.
	Yes.
	Hello, Scott.
	Hello.
	What's on your mind here, Scott?
	Well, concerning the situation down there in Mexico and, well, on our border of Mexico, you know, I think we should have the National Guard and our reserve forces rotating on their active duty cycles to go down there and protect our borders with our border patrol people.
	TJ?
	I don't support putting the troops there to enforce immigration laws because two things will happen.
	The most important is you're going to confuse our soldiers.
	Soldiers are trained to fight wars.
	They're not trained to go out there and enforce civilian law.
	And the rules of war are much different.
	And people, it's a known fact that people react in a crisis according to their training.
	If you train them two different ways, how will they react in a war?
	We're going to get good soldiers killed if we train them both ways and expect them to do both things.
	And also, the soldiers can do no more than the Border Patrol can do right now, which is to catch people, send them back, let them try again.
	Personally, I've caught the same group of people four times in one shift.
	That's not working.
	If we're serious about stopping illegal immigration, and we need to be, we need to crack down on the employers who are hiring illegal aliens at will with no consequence.
	Well, we're going to continue this thought and our calls and welcome in Congressman Rick Renzi and the Red Zone Defense.
	And TJ, you stay with us too, T.J. Bonner, President of the National Border Patrol Council.
	The fact of the matter is, you thought the immigration problem was about those businesses and those country clubs that rely on cheaper illegal labor.
	They're shooting at us now.
	Stay with us.
	Thank you, Johnny Donovan.
	An Arizona congressman has demanded the State Department take immediate diplomatic action to stop Mexican military incursions into these United States, saying U.S. Border Patrol agents face a continuing threat of being killed by rogue soldiers protecting drug smugglers.
	Two-term Republican Representative Rick Renzi is on the line with us right now.
	He is the congressman calling for that.
	He's got the Red Zone defense.
	And if you don't mind, Congressman, we're going to call it the Renzi Red Zone Defense.
	I appreciate it, Paul.
	Thank you for having me on.
	It's our pleasure.
	Standing by also is T.J. Bonner, President of the National Border Patrol Council, American Federation of Government Employees.
	He is representing those border guards.
	They're getting shot at.
	Yeah, he's done a good job representing them.
	He has, and he understands getting out of the supervisor's office and getting out in the field and talking to the guys in the front line.
	My ranch is right down there on the border.
	My family's right down there.
	I grew up on the border.
	My dad was commanding general down at Fort Huachuca, which is less than a couple miles from the crow's flies from the Mexican border.
	I think TJ knows the countryside pretty good.
	Yeah, you know, Brett was telling us on the team here that at that fort they had to actually stop some of their shooting exercises because they were afraid stray bullets would kill people sneaking over the line, I guess.
	We've had over 4,000 people arrested on Fort Wachuca, which is one of our military intelligence headquarters, is where we train a lot of our interrogators.
	Yeah, so our ability to train has been compromised, not just at Fort Wachuka, but out in our Barry-Goldwater bombing range.
	We've had operational capability cut by almost 50 percent out there in the area of Arizona where our pilots are training.
	With all due respect, I'm sorry.
	To a person, all of us kind of cringed and smiled when you said the Barry-Goldwater bombing range.
	I mean, just it is all funny.
	I don't know what's well named.
	Well, then tell us why you think we've already heard this from TJ.
	Why do you think that it appears at least, Congressman, that Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff is downplaying this?
	He says the concern over the issue is overblown and scare tactics.
	Yeah, I think he's made a huge mistake and has set himself up for failure.
	We lose one agent.
	We get one more agent shot.
	And we've had a couple agents shot and have been wounded, but we lose an agent from a hill sniper, from an MS-13 gangman, from a Mexican federally, and Cherkoff has put himself in a bind, I believe.
	I don't know why he would say this.
	I mean, what's going on here?
	Well, he hasn't spent a lot of time on the border.
	He's a good man, and he's juggling a big agency.
	But you can talk to somebody from Texas or New Mexico from Arizona who lives on the border and who understands the violence on the border.
	And guys like TJ who've been out there in the trenches, and you get a real feel for the fact that the narco-terrorism, the distribution end of the drug cartels is so profitable now that the distribution end of it is more profitable than the production part of it.
	And so the Mexican drug cartels are more empowered.
	They're more embolded to take actions against our American Border Patrol agents and our customs agents than they've ever been.
	Let me go one step further, Paul.
	We are doing a decent job of looking across the horizon into Mexico and seeing the planes.
	We have radar that sees metal flying.
	We're doing such a good job with these aerostat balloons that they're landing short now.
	And I think TJ would agree with me.
	And a lot of the drugs are being driven in.
	But we need the same technology to look down at the border into Mexico and see the cars being driven in.
	We can see the Humvees, the Federales, staging right before dusk and lining up about a mile deep.
	We can alert our Border Patrol agents, and we can react with a quick reaction capability with the size and the force that we need to counteract that kind of a threat and a breach.
	But we can't do it unless we got the intelligence and the capability on the border.
	What are you proposing then, Congressman?
	I'm proposing that we take the seven Aerostat balloons that we currently have on the border that run from California to Florida, that have about a 500-pound capacity that's not being used right now, and that we add sensors and cameras to those balloons that will look into Mexico, that will give us a long view, long-dwell capability, just hanging there looking.
	They can see the federales, they can see the Mexican units, they can see the drug lords and the cartels lining up and staging before they breach the border at night.
	We can use infrared and even see in the dark.
	We downlink that to a fusion center that is multi-agency, and then we shift our defense like in football.
	We run that red zone defense where you shift the defense and you react to where you know they're running the play.
	Let me ask, if you don't mind, TJ Bonner, who represents the Border Patrol, what he thinks of that idea.
	T.J.?
	I think that that's a great idea for stopping the narcotics.
	It's not going to stop the people coming across because you're dealing with literally millions of people coming across that border every year.
	Catch over a million of them.
	That's part of the problem.
	The smugglers of drugs are also running human beings now as decoys.
	They'll send up a group of 50 people, and it will take us hours to round them up, to guard them, to transport them back, to process them, and to send them back home.
	And in the meantime, the border is left wide open.
	Bear in mind, there are fewer than 12,000 Border Patrol agents to patrol 8,000 miles of land in coastal areas.
	And at any given time, you only have 25% of those agents actually out on the line because you're running round-the-clock shifts seven days a week.
	Yeah, TJ's right, Paul.
	I don't even want to give you the numbers on the night shift in Cochise County, Arizona, where I grew up, on the border, where we caught 478,000 illegal immigrants last year.
	The only thing I would add is that my red zone defense does include a sensor that can see at night and can see human beings.
	And it does allow you to see the big groups as they line up so that we could use, it would help a little bit, TJ, in that we would be able to use some of the sensors that we're using in Iraq on the Iraq-Syrian border that also see people, that see people lining up.
	And you can actually, as they move closer to the border, TJ, you can actually begin to distinguish body cargo so that we could actually even prioritize who the drug smugglers are or at least be able to see within, as you talked about, where they blend them into the groups.
	They use the illegal economic illegals to act as shields for the drug smugglers and the mules.
	I would love to see that technology pointed at the border.
	I would love for the American people to know exactly how many people come across that border every night because now they know how many we catch.
	But that's like publicizing a statistic that a baseball player hit 100 pitches for hits.
	And what does that mean?
	How many times was he at bat?
	There's no context to this.
	Well, we're adding some today here on the Rush Limbaugh program.
	And TJ, I want you to, for this to be a good experience for you, any final thoughts before we let you go and move on to some other issues with the congressman.
	Well, I guess the final thought I would leave with your listeners is that this is a crisis.
	Not just the fact that our agents are in jeopardy out there, but the fact that our borders are wide open.
	Anyone who wants to come across those borders has a pretty good shot of making it across.
	And from the standpoint of Homeland Security, that is unacceptable.
	All right.
	Well put.
	We appreciate it.
	We will stay in touch, TJ.
	Thanks.
	Thank you.
	TJ Bonner is president of the National Border Patrol Council, American Federation of Government Employees.
	And by the way, we open the phone lines back up again at 1-800-282-2882.
	That's 1-800-282-2882 as we speak with Republican Representative Rick Renzi and his, I'm calling it, the Renzi Red Zone Defense.
	Now here's the kicker.
	It is a $50 million border intelligence pilot program which was included in the Department of Homeland Security's appropriation bill.
	It's been funded, but it hasn't been implemented.
	What's going on, Congressman?
	Well, it's got to get through the Senate.
	And you're exactly right.
	I need you and your listening audience to help me with the Senate piece.
	It looks like they may take our border security bill and try to attach the guest worker bill to it.
	There's some of us in the House who have asked our senators to look at security first and then follow with a guest worker program once we've proven to the American people that we've got control over the border, at least operational control.
	And right now it's parked on the Senate at their doorstep.
	So we're going to need a little more help when we come back into session the end of January to get it pushed through.
	All right, we might get some of that help with our listeners here in just a moment at 1-800-282-2882-1-800-282-2882.
	Your opportunity to speak with Congressman Rick Renzi.
	And we want to hear about the letter you wrote to Dr. Condoleezza Rice and if there's been any reaction on that yet.
	As we continue on the Rush Limbaugh program, I'm Paul W. Smith.
	Arizona Congressman Rick Renzi has called for state border guard units to help increase security along America's border with Mexico, and we have him here on the Rush Limbaugh program and your chance to speak directly with him at 1-800-282-2882-1-800-282-2882.
	Sounds like a good plan.
	I know also that you have sent off an urgent message to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.
	Yeah, Paul, we got another letter off to her that asks her to step in now and to formally meet with the Mexican Interior Ministry to discuss these incursions.
	And whether it be rogue military elements, whether it be federalies, whether it be MS-13 gang members, the Mexican government has got to step up now and help us more along the border.
	They have been good partners down in Mexico City in helping to control that airport.
	We have our intelligence units and we have folks working with them down there, and they're doing a good job.
	We need to take that model of success and collaboration down in Mexico City and move it up to the Arizona, Mexico, and the whole southern border between Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California.
	We need to have that kind of success and collaboration up there with our liaison officers.
	And so I'm asking her to meet with the Mexican ministry, with the ambassadors here, open up dialogue, find out exactly what units may be involved in crossing over.
	And the Mexican government has got to help us.
	They've got to step up.
	Have you found the Minutemen to be helpful?
	Well, you know, it's funny.
	There have been a lot of Minutemen who have come to Arizona and who have helped change the dynamic, particularly in Cochise County.
	We had an onslaught of people coming through Cochise County.
	When I say to you, 478,000 people arrested in Cochise County alone last year, the Minutemen helped change that dynamic and they helped move them out of that area.
	Unfortunately, it's like a water balloon.
	You squeeze it in one place and it goes into another.
	But look, it's their right.
	They're freedom-loving Americans.
	In some cases, we had one or two incidences where they had a couple of beer-drinking Rambo types that got a little bit out of control.
	But for the most part, they did a good job.
	They helped Cochise County, and there's a lot of residents down at my ranch who welcome them back.
	Congressman Rick Renzi, let's go to Laredo, Texas on the Rush Limbaugh program.
	I'm Paul W. Smith, and Dave joins us on his cell phone.
	Dave?
	Hi, Paul.
	Hi.
	Great show.
	Great guests today.
	Thanks.
	I agree with Congressman Renzi completely.
	But these people that say that we don't need a tall concrete panel fence down along the border all the way from Brownsville to California are fricazoids.
	We need that fence.
	The history of fences, beginning with the Great Wall of China and ending with the burrows of fences, are effective.
	Yeah.
	And point number two is we need to get the National Guard down there to augment the border patrol.
	And this business of trying to implement a guest worker program while we're trying to secure the border is nonsense.
	Two days ago, I was down here in Laredo delivering a load of construction materials down near the border, and there were two incidents of border agents being shot at.
	This is getting a little nutzoid.
	It sure is, Dave.
	Thanks for your thoughts on that, Congressman.
	Well, as far as the fence goes.
	U.S. has gated community?
	Well, in some areas, particularly where urban areas touch.
	For instance, in Nogales, Arizona, you've got a community right across the line called Nogales, Mexico.
	And you need to make sure there's a fence and a gate there because it helps push the people out into the open where we can see them.
	If you implement the red zone defense that we talked about and you have a technology curtain, you can actually see the folks.
	In some areas, Paul, if we build a fence out in the middle of nowhere in Arizona, they're going to go through it, they're going to go under it, they're going to go around it, and it's such a passive defense that unless you've got the folks out there to react to it, it simply becomes a waste of money.
	I mean, if you can get them out into the open and you're there to arrest them, then essentially the open spaces also act along with technology as a fence.
	And so I want to be careful how we dip into the American people's pockets here.
	I agree with fencing in certain areas.
	I particularly agree with barriers for trucks and cars in certain washes so they can't drive through under double canopy cover.
	A lot of these guys are driving these drugs in through the canyons where I hunted and fished my whole life.
	They're scaring all the game out of there.
	They're polluting the area with old tires and water bottles and clothing and backpacks.
	And unless we get the truck barriers down in there and the car barriers down in there, we're not going to stop these guys because they're under double canopy.
	Let's try to get some other quick calls.
	And Jared is on his cell in Birmingham, Alabama.
	Welcome to the Rush Limbaugh Program, Jared.
	Thank you for having me.
	Congressman, I had a couple of quick questions real quick.
	How many millions or billions of dollars do we spend a year in protecting the U.S.-Mexican border?
	I would imagine it would be a great deal.
	I think it's my take on this is that it is a business decision by the U.S. government because they spend so much money and take in so many tax dollars to do this.
	Yes, sir.
	If they actually fixed the problem, then we wouldn't be able to employ as many border patrol or as many immigration workers.
	I don't think they really want to fix the problem.
	All right, let the Congressman answer before we run out of time.
	Your basic take is you don't really believe the government wants to fix the problem with immigration.
	No, no.
	Let's the Congressman be heard.
	The Homeland Security budget is in the billions and billions of dollars, and it's one of the fastest-growing agencies in the government.
	But, sir, if we fix the border, in all honesty to you, if we do fix the border, can you imagine the amount of savings that we're going to have with our hospitals and our local law enforcement, with our environment?
	Can you imagine the amount of savings that we're going to get from the services that we're providing, whether it be in the health care industry or in the schools, or for states having to bear the burden of these costs?
	So overall, the prosperity of America is tied to securing its border and then implementing an economic guest worker program once we've proven ourselves to the American people.
	We do, in many cases, rely on our brothers and sisters to the South.
	But to organize that labor, to make sure that each individual one has been vetted and had a criminal background check, all that has to be done.
	And we can't even get there until we secure the border.
	Right.
	The fact of the matter is the federal government has the ultimate responsibility.
	It's not happening at the moment.
	That's why states are getting involved.
	That's why you're involved.
	And, Congressman, we salute you with your Renzi Red Zone defense, and we hope it works out, and we'll follow it along and hope that it comes into action as soon as possible.
	Thank you, sir.
	Thank you for being with us, Congressman Rick Renzi and his Red Zone defense.
	We'll wrap it up in just a moment.
	All right, wrapping it up.
	In this next hour, we've had the war on terror, the war on Walmart, the war on our border with Mexico, and now it's the war on, well, I guess the war on the president.
	Harry Belafonte calling President Bush the greatest terrorist in the world.
	We've got a Democratic U.S. Senate candidate, Paul Hackett, saying the Republican Party has been hijacked by the religious fanatics that, in my opinion, aren't a whole lot different than Osama bin Laden and a lot of the other religious nuts around the world.
	It goes on and on, and we'll talk to the National Review's Byron York about that.
	The war and the rhetoric.

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