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Dec. 15, 2005 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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December 15, 2005, Thursday, Hour #3
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The views expressed by the host on this program make more sense than anything anybody else happens to be saying because the views expressed by the host on this program are rooted in a daily relentless, unstoppable pursuit of the truth.
Great to have you along for the ride today.
Rush Limbaugh, general all-around good guy, well-known radio racon tour, and to some, the most dangerous man in America.
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From the Hotline blog, ladies and gentlemen, National Journal is the organization.
The hotline is one of these Inside the Beltway Bibles.
Massachusetts Senator John Kerry said last night that if Democrats retake the House, there is a solid case to bring articles of impeachment against President Bush for allegedly misleading the country about pre-war intelligence, according to several Democrats who attended.
Kerry was speaking at a holiday party for alumni of his losing White House 04 bid.
About 100 campaign veterans gathered at Finn McCool's bar in D.C. to hear John Kerry.
Boy, what a holiday party that had to be.
In a short speech, Kerry praised the Democrats who were working on Senate and House campaigns and then said, according to one listener, if we take back the House, there's a solid case to bring articles of impeachment against the president.
Another listener heard a slight variation.
That variation went this way.
If we win back the House, I think we have a pretty solid case to bring articles of impeachment against the president.
Kerry then quickly added, according to several in the audience, don't tell anyone I said that.
Kerry Communications Director David Wade, well-known political hack, in an email said his boss was joking.
John Kerry isn't funny.
I never heard John Kerry tell a joke, try to be funny.
Wouldn't John Kerry ever try to be funny?
That face is not capable of smiling, folks.
There's too much Botox in it.
Here's what Wade said.
Is it really a story that with a smile on his face, which I'm telling you is the first, when have you seen Kerry smile?
Is there a picture of John Kerry smiling anywhere that somebody can show me?
I don't ever see too many liberals smiling.
They're talking about politics anyway.
Anyway, Wade said, is it really a story that with a smile on his face and to ensuing laughter at a Christmas party, a Democrat joked about why these die-hard Democrats needed to keep dreaming of a Democrat Congress?
Impeachment jokes in Washington are as old as Don Rumsfeld and as funny as Dick Cheney is gruff.
See, these people cannot be funny.
They are mean.
They are angry.
They are PO'd constantly.
But the point is this.
There's no question.
I predicted this to you.
I've predicted to you prior to the 2004 election that if the Democrats couldn't beat Bush, that their next objective would be to impeach him.
And this isn't, Kerry's not the first Democrat to talk about it.
He may be the first senator, but all these kook websites and their organizations out there trying to get the Democrats to do this on their own.
It doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
Kerry said this, nor that he meant it, nor that the people in the audience believed it and want it to happen.
I'm telling you, if the reason you want to win elections is to impeach the president who's got two years left to go after that election, if that's why you want to win, your motivation is lousy.
And that's just, it's going to add up.
I'm telling you right now that these people are cruising to another post-Wellstone Memorial defeat.
They just haven't the slightest clue.
Now, folks, I know, if you're like me, you get constantly barraged in your email with people sending you these funny little things that they think you've never seen.
And if you're like me, it irritates a hell out of it.
I have people, friends of mine, who pollute my private email box with this stuff.
And that's the only time I ever hear from them.
And I've already seen this stuff 25 or 30 times.
But they send it around, and it's the worst thing that ever happened to these people was getting them email.
They haven't the slightest idea how to use it.
They just pass along all this rubbage and garbage.
But occasionally, one of these things comes in that I have not seen.
Such is just the case moments ago.
So I got hold of my friend who sent it, who happens to be one of John Kerry's neighbors out in Squall Mountain.
Where is it?
Where is it?
Where's Carrie's ski chalet or Teresa's?
Where's Teresa's Ski Chalet?
Is it Idaho or Montana?
Where is it?
It's somewhere.
Huh?
No, it's not.
What is it?
That's not Squall Valley.
I'm making it up.
I can't remember where these because I don't ski.
These people go to cold weather to vacation.
I don't understand them anyway.
Last place I'd go on a vacation.
It's cold weather.
I've never understood people that do that.
People like to ski, fall down, get cold, ice and snow all over the place.
It's all just an excuse to head to the lodge and have a drink or to hang around with the beautiful people.
I don't understand people go to cold weather.
Even people that live in hot weather.
You move to hot weather because you like it.
Why go to cold weather?
Unless you're going to get out of this business.
I do it because I have to, but I get out of there as soon as I can.
Anyway, a good friend of mine sent me this thing.
He's Carrie's neighbor wherever Teresa's ski lodge is.
And it's headlines from the year 2029.
So I asked him, where'd you get this?
This friend of mine sent it to me from Houston, he said.
So I don't know where it comes from.
But since I'm on the cutting edge, and since I haven't seen this, I'm assuming it's relatively new.
Idaho.
Ketchum, Idaho, is it somewhere out in the case?
It's Idaho.
So I want to read this to you.
Headlines from the year 2029.
If it's old hat and been around for five years, I'm sorry.
I haven't seen it.
Here are headlines from the year 2029.
Ozone created by electric cars now killing millions in seventh largest country in the world, Mexico, formerly known as California.
White minorities still trying to have English recognized as Mexico's third language.
Spotted owl plague threatens northwestern U.S. crops and livestock.
Baby conceived naturally, scientists stumped.
Couple petitions court to reinstate heterosexual marriage.
Last remaining fundamentalist Muslim dies in American territory of Middle East, formerly known as Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, and Lebanon.
Iraq still closed off.
Physicists estimate it will take at least 10 more years before radioactivity decreases to safe levels.
France pleads for global help after being taken over by Jamaica.
Castro finally dies at age 112.
Cuban cigars can now be imported legally, but President Chelsea Clinton has banned all smoking.
George Z. Bush says he will run for president in 2036.
Postal Service raises price of first-class stamp to $17.89, reduces mail delivery to Wednesdays only.
85 years, $75.8 billion study, diet and exercise is the key to weight loss.
Average weight of Americans drops to 250 pounds.
Massachusetts executes last remaining conservative.
Supreme Court rules punishment of criminals violates their civil rights.
Average height of NBA players now 9 feet 7 inches.
New federal law requires that all nail clippers, screwdrivers, fly swatters, and rolled-up newspapers must be registered by January 2036.
Congress authorizes direct deposit of formerly illegal political contributions to campaign accounts.
Capitol Hill in turn indicted for refusing to have sex with congressmen.
IRS sets lowest tax rate at 75%.
That's what it seems like now.
And the last headline for the year 2029.
Florida voters still having trouble with voting machines.
Grab a couple phone calls.
Amy, Fort Knox, Kentucky.
Hi, and welcome to the program.
Thank you, Rush.
Great to talk to you.
Merry Christmas.
Thank you.
And I just want to let you know, as a military wife, today is just a very special day for me personally, knowing my husband contributed to what's going on over there.
I think you ought to be proud.
I think we all ought to be proud.
This is American exceptionalism on display.
I think it's a fabulous day.
The Iraqi elections.
The Democrats lose another election today, folks, the Iraqi elections.
They weren't able to stop them.
They weren't able to stop the turnout.
It's just been great.
You ought to feel proud of your husband's role.
I definitely am.
And I want to say a big thank you to our troops who are serving right now.
And thank you also, Rush, for what you do every day for our troops.
I appreciate it.
I know there's probably no one who does more.
Just kidding.
I'm in a good mood today.
But I appreciate your comments, Amy.
Is your husband there now or is he back?
He's back.
He was over there for about a year helping those folks out and helping us also back here at Columbia.
Wait, wait, wait.
Was your husband one of the soldiers that was storming into the homes of Iraqis at night and terrorizing Iraqi women and children?
Yeah, he doesn't talk much about exactly what happened over there, but I don't think that that's going on.
Well, no, that's what John Kerry says it is, and that's why we got to bring the troops home.
That's what I'm saying.
John Kerry's men, like your husband, were storming into the homes of Iraqis under cover of darkness and terrorizing the women and children in there and violating their religious customs and all that.
And I just, I want to know if you can admit to Nini now if your husband was one of those soldiers.
Well, you know, like I said, I know that he didn't terrorize women and children.
I know that much, Rush.
I know.
I'm taking the occasion.
That's really why I respect George W. Bush the way I do, because he, you know, every time I hear him speak, I know he's behind our troops on what they're doing and not, you know, trying to undermine them.
Exactly.
Well, the exact opposite of that's the guy, if you want to know, who really is doing everything possible for the American military force around the world, George W. Bush.
I'm glad you called, Amy.
Thanks much.
Speaking of President Bush, let's go to some audio soundbites.
I mentioned earlier that the president was interviewed by Brent Hume, Fox News channel yesterday.
And a couple of things the president said were rush.
See, I told you so.
Tom delay is the subject first.
Let's go back to Wednesday, April 6th of this year.
Delay is effective.
They don't like delay because he doesn't cower to them.
DeLay doesn't cut and run.
They gave him a nickname, the Hammer.
And what is, he's a whip.
He was the whip.
He was the guy that hammered people in line, kept the caucus together, made sure the legislation got through the House on the Republican side.
Party discipline is what that's all about.
The president was asked by Britt Hume yesterday: do you hope and expect that Tom DeLay will return to be the majority leader?
Yes.
I don't know whether I can expect that.
I hope that he will.
Why?
Because I like him.
And plus, when he's over there, we get our votes through the House.
We had a remarkable success of legislative victories, a remarkable string of legislative victories.
We've cut the taxes, which has yielded strong economic growth and vitality.
We've had an energy bill that began to put America on this way to independence.
I say began.
There's a lot more work to be done there.
So the president echoing me in talking about Delay's effectiveness.
Let's go to October 24th of this year, just about two months ago.
And this is what I said about the president and his own personal view of the presidency.
This is something about him I think to respect.
He has a very high ideal of the office of the presidency.
Only 43 people have occupied that office.
And he's not going to be the one to besmirch it.
And he's not going to besmirch others who've held it.
It's a special thing.
People have held it, have all been elected.
And so he's just, he's not going to disparage past occupants of the White House.
And so I just, if you take that and couple it with what was going on, I just don't think it's in his nature to get partisan in a political way.
He very seldom, if ever, gets partisan outside of a campaign.
And only rarely then does he get partisan.
And I think it's because of his desire to have this vaunted ideal of the office of the presidency and his desire to try to unify things after 2000.
Question from Britt Hume yesterday.
There was an evident decision after the election to try to be above the political fray.
You came under withering attack on the use of pre-war intelligence on the Iraq policy itself, and the response from the administration was remarkably passive for a long time.
Why was that?
Just came off an election, and we're trying to elevate the debate and put politics behind and see if that couldn't happen.
It didn't happen.
But I've always felt like one of my jobs is to try to change the tone in Washington, D.C., to bring people together for the common good.
To the best of my ability, I've resisted dragging the presidency and the name-calling and the finger-pointing and the blaming.
But no, you're right.
And we took a paste, you know, a blasting and have begun recently to make the case in a more forceful way to the American people.
So the point of these C, I Told You Sos, is to just once again let you know that it's unwise to discount me.
I know what I'm talking about on practically everything.
We have more Bush sound bites.
Hume asked him, can you say today if you knew then what you know now about the weapons that you would have made the same decision?
I said it today and I said it the last speech I gave.
And I've said it throughout the campaign to the American people.
I said, I made the right decision.
Knowing what I know today, I would have still made that decision.
So if you'd had this, if the weapons had been out of the equation because the intelligence did not conclude that he had them, it was still the right call.
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, let me tell you why it was the right call.
Let me go back and get this.
I mentioned this in the first hour of the program.
I'm going to tell you why it was the right call.
I hope I put this in the stack.
I bet I didn't.
Try to think of what Saddam Hussein would be doing in Iraq today if he were still there.
Think what Iraq would be.
Think about the people who live there.
Think about the oil for food program.
Think about all of the torture and rape rooms that would still be.
Think about al-Qaeda using the place as a training facility.
Think about the fact that the whole mess in the Middle East would not have been dealt with at all.
You would still have had Saddam Hussein paying $25,000 per family, the Palestinian suicide bombers, all this from the Iraqi treasury.
The Iraqi people would not be out voting today.
They'd have a say in their future.
As to weapons of mass destruction, the New York Sun has a story today.
Saddam Hussein moved his chemical weapons to Syria six weeks before the war started, says Israel's top general during Operation Iraqi Freedom.
The assertion comes, as President Bush said yesterday, that much of the intelligence on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction was incorrect.
The Israeli officer is Lieutenant General Moshe Yalan.
He asserted that Saddam spirited his chemical weapons out of the country on the eve of the war.
He transferred the chemical agents from Iraq to Syria.
General Yalan told the New York Sun over dinner in New York Tuesday night, no one went to Syria to find it.
Perhaps they transferred them to another country such as Syria.
He suspects someday that they will be found.
Syria makes no comment to this.
Spokesman in the Syrian embassy in Washington did not return a call seeking a comment, but the general's comment could increase pressure on the Syrian government that's already mounting from Washington and the United Nations.
Bush also made mention of the fact that he had originally claimed that Iran was part of the original axis of evil in this interview with Britt Hume.
And then, of course, it's true.
So you had Iraq, you had Iran and North Korea.
So to sum all this up, the Democrats lose another election, this one in Iraq.
They are having difficulty coping with the success that this country has.
They have invested in defeat, policy after policy after policy.
And if you missed the first hour, I know you liberals are having a bad, it's Christmas time.
You're not really big on Christmas either because not everybody celebrates it.
It's just not fair.
When 5% of the people of the country don't celebrate it, nobody should.
And so you couple it.
It's Christmas time.
That's depressing.
And the election was successful.
Bush's approval numbers are rising.
Everything you threw at him hasn't worked.
It's got to be a terrible time.
And I want people to be happy.
We conservatives want to spread joy.
There's no reason to be an American, live in this country today, to not be happy.
So for you liberals, try to join us and be happy.
Just pretend that all of this that's happening is happening under Bill Clinton's watch.
You pretend every day anyway that you're winning, that you're going to win 06.
You pretend this.
Pretend that Bill Clinton is still president.
And if you pretend that Clinton is still president, you will then support all of these great things that are happening.
And you might find a way to be happy and optimistic.
Just our little attempt to help you enjoy the spirit of the times.
Back in a moment.
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Dan in New Haven, Connecticut.
Nice to have you on the program, sir.
Hi, good afternoon, Rush.
How are you?
I've been listening to you for a long time.
Thank you, sir.
Yeah, listen, I just want to make a quick statement.
Number one, I've been against the Iraq war since the beginning.
I do think today was a monumental day, but I just foresee this.
I can see how Freedom in Iraq will be, you know, justify the ends will justify the means.
But, you know, in the end, you know, Al-Qaeda and Osama and all those Yahoos attacked us on 9-11.
And I know we're still after, you know, in Afghanistan smoking them out, but it's just Iraq just is almost like a diversion.
You know, we still have yet to get Osama.
A diversion?
Let me, I have a question.
Correct me if you just said that you think the Monumental Day, the elections are a great thing, but we shouldn't have gone to war because that diverted us from getting Obama.
How would the election have occurred had we not gone to war?
Well, for one, you know, Osama, Iraq should not have even been a focus.
It's now a training ground because we're there, and it's very unfortunate.
And, you know, Al-Qaeda attacked us, not Iraq.
And I've been against it from the beginning, and I'm still against it now.
You know, I do respect opposing arguments, and I always get labeled the liberals for my views.
But, you know.
Yes, well, I understand that.
Well, I must say, before anyone labels me with a political party, I am an American first.
Well, that's a label, too, and you've got to be careful of banding these labels about.
Right.
And I just think that, you know, Iraq, I'll use the term very loosely.
It was a mistake.
Shame on John Kerry and shame on anyone else that voted for it, even my own senators from Connecticut.
But the fact of the matter is, we're in there now.
Whoa, whoa, One senator from Connecticut was all for this.
That would be Senator Lieberman.
Senator Dodd, if I'm not mistaken, did vote for the war.
Yeah, but you said you're, well, I misheard you.
I thought you said your senators.
Yes, senators.
Well, Dodd is not both of them.
I know he might think so, but.
Well, Dodd and Lieberman both did.
There you go.
Okay, now we're back on track.
And I do recall back in July of 2001 seeing Joe Lieberman on Larry King, you know, if you will, prepping up, you know, Saddam is a bad person and he should be removed.
Well, you know, as I say, I think the war disagree with you totally on this, as you might imagine.
I don't think there's been a diversion at all.
I think this has been taking the war to the terrorists, and I think they're losing this insurgency or what have you.
I think this is all positive.
But I think this election, and I think the outcome shows just how irrelevant Democrats are when it comes to the whole subject of Iraq or the war on terror or Osama, because the Democrats have been trying to undermine us here at home.
They've been trying to demoralize the troops.
And despite their best efforts, Liberty marches on because of American exceptionalism.
Now, have you tried my hint that if you really want to be happy today, pretend that Bill Clinton was president during all this, and then you might you if Clinton would have been doing this, you could pretend that, then you would have been happier.
You've been totally supportive of the policy.
Rush, may I speak?
Just to, okay, I'm 25 years old, and when Clinton was in office, I really didn't start paying attention.
Actually, when I was living in Vermont, my father and I would watch your talk show each morning.
And so I really cannot, you know, say that Clinton was a better president.
You know, certainly I know that might be unfair to Bush.
You're right.
Yeah, and I will say that President Bush, I do agree with him on some things and others I don't.
But what I don't understand is how Clinton just seems to be the end-all means of the holy grail for Democrats.
I just don't see that.
And I do want to say that I'm not sure what the best solution will be with Iraq.
Obviously, it's a very heated issue, and I've had some very good friends serve over there, and some of that have been killed.
And I think I understand exactly what you're saying.
Bill Clinton, he wasn't all that bad a guy, but he was pretty rotten sometimes.
And Osama is the bad guy, but we needed to do Iraq too, but we really need to focus on Osama, but we can't be mean about it and we can't torture.
And I think when talking about the reason why the Democrats think that Clinton is the be-all end-all, I mean, who wouldn't want to have the life of Bill Clinton?
No responsibility, credit for everything that happened, get to chase interns around, stain dresses with your own semen, and have the whole country love you for it.
I mean, that is a life's objective for many people and Democrats.
And I totally understand their desire for that.
They also, democracy has not been fair to Democrats.
They are losing elections in this country now in Iraq.
I can understand why they're not supportive of democracy, but I like democracy.
I think democracy can be good.
Democracy can be bad, but it can be good too.
Here's the way democracy can be bad.
Democracy is simply majority rule.
Let's say you and I and another guy and two women are in the room and one guy makes a motion.
I suggest that we take both of these women back to the bedroom and have fun with them.
Let's take a vote.
Three guys vote yes and the two women vote no.
Well, they lose.
Ha ha ha.
We guys win.
I like the way that works.
That's democracy.
That can be bad.
You got to have democracy with a moral foundation to say that kind of thing is not allowed under our rule of law.
That's what the Iraqis are working on.
And so forth.
So I understand exactly where you're coming from.
Osama, yeah, we got to do something about him.
We should have focused on Osama.
We shouldn't have gone to Iraq.
But we did go to Iraq, so I'm glad we did.
And life's peachy.
And I am glad you called, Dan.
Thanks so much.
I've enjoyed it immensely.
Here is Dwayne in Cape Coral, Florida.
Nice to have you on the program.
Hey, Merry Christmas Dittos from Southwest.
And happy New Year's Eve to you too, sir.
Yay!
Listen, Rush, it is remarkable the commitment that the Iraqis have to democracy.
I mean, here they have a nationwide ban on vehicles, and they're all walking to the polls.
My question to you, Rush, is how many Americans would take the time to walk to the polls if we had to?
The people of Democrats in Ohio were complaining about having to wait for four hours.
The Iraqis walked through explosions.
It's just, at one point, I think we're so selfish.
We have it so easy.
And yet democracy to them is they're able to put their two feet together and stand up.
Exactly right.
Well, there's a reason for this.
I mean, people born in this country are born to it.
They've not had to fight for it.
Others did that.
And so everybody's point of relativity is, well, the relative nature of people's experience is different than that in, say, Iraq.
These people have come from a tyranny that people in this country simply do not understand, can't relate to.
We've not lived under it.
Fortunately, we still have people with an exceptional vision who understand how rotten it is, even though they've never experienced it themselves and believe that no human being should be forced to live that way and are willing to do what's necessary, particularly when it impacts our own national security for the better, to do things and take steps to help it out.
That's why I say we conservatives are optimistic.
We are joyful, and we are attempting to share the bounties of our experience with as many people as possible.
This is laughed at by the left.
It's the left that said, that his people can't handle democracy.
People can't handle freedom, when they said when the Soviet Union imploded after the Cold War, they've had a lifetime of dependence.
They're not going to be able to do that.
Freedom works every time it's tried.
It's the natural yearning of the human spirit.
Now, I don't want to be negative about things, folks.
You know me, eternally optimistic.
But the Democrats, we might think that they've lost the election in Iraq, but until they go in and make sure that there aren't any hanging Chads, make sure the voting machines worked.
I'm not joking.
I wouldn't be surprised if at some point some Democrat charges election fraud somewhere over there because that's in their playbook.
See, when they lose elections, and believe me, the Iraq election is a loss for the Democrats.
When they lose it, they don't lose it.
The other side cheats.
So they have to figure out who cheated them out of this.
And they will demand an investigation.
If they find something they think, then they'll start talking about it.
If they don't find it, well, I think they'll talk about it.
Anyway, I'm not kidding.
There will be a point in the not-too-distant future where some elected Democrat will question the authenticity and legitimacy of the vote.
It's just in the playbook.
It's in the cards.
I have to take a quick break.
I want to remind you, my attorney, Roy Black, appearing with Wolf Blitzer tonight between 7 and 8 on CNN.
A show is called The Situation Room.
And Wolf asked.
That's why Roy is going there.
And I like Wolf.
Wolf is fair.
And he wants to get to the bottom of the confusion in the reporting of Judge Crow's ruling on Monday, the latest development in my so-called legal case.
A lot of TV and print reporting just missed this, casting it either as a full win or as a partial win for the prosecutors, the state.
And it's not.
It is not a win at all in terms of their stated objectives.
And Roy is going to go on with Wolf and explain this as it'll be on CNN tonight between 7 and 8 p.m.
A quick timeout.
We'll be back and continue in mere moments.
From Knight Ritter newspapers, looking for religious voters, some Democrats are finding God.
The headline of this story, Democrats trying harder to appeal to the faithful.
Well, so is Satan.
So I guess this makes some sense as the Democrats would want to get in on the action.
But where have I heard this before?
Right after the 2004 elections, well, we got to get up to speed on values.
Now, all of a sudden, Democrats trying harder to appeal to the faithful?
Yep, says here, looking for religious voters, some Democrats finding God.
They're finding him.
Should be capitalized in this story, but it's not.
Finding him in terms more familiar in recent times to religious conservatives than to liberals.
They are invoking Jesus Christ or the spiritual meaning of Christmas as they push their agenda or criticize Republicans.
In one example, several congressional Democrats stood before the Capitol Christmas tree as they urged raising the minimum wage.
They called it key to the true meaning of Christmas.
See, this is where they just don't get it.
This is unbelievable.
The minimum wage is in the true spirit of Christmas.
Remember back during the heated debates on the homeless.
I'll never forget this.
Late 80s, early 90s, some wacko minister in some wacko sect up in the wacko northeast in Vermont or something said that the homeless, we got to be very careful with the homeless.
We could find the modern equivalent of Mary and Joseph.
Mary and Joseph were homeless.
Mary and Joseph were wandering the streets.
They couldn't find a home.
They couldn't find anywhere.
They had to end up in a barn.
And of course, this is a minister saying this.
Mary and Joseph were not homeless.
Mary and Joseph were headed into the city to pay their taxes or to be hung.
And Joseph forgot to guarantee the room on the American Express card.
So they had to end up in the manger.
So now you go to the Capitol Christmas tree and say, yep, we're religious.
We're out finding God.
We are Democrats.
And by the way, we have learned that Christmas equals raising the minimum wage.
You can't, you just can't make this stuff up, folks.
Jim in Grand Rapids, Michigan, I'm glad you called, sir.
Welcome to the EIB network.
Yeah, welcome, Rush.
Listen, I just wanted to make a point that this idea that Iraq is a diversion from our efforts against al-Qaeda is really nonsense.
Prior to it.
Well, wait, Now, you're talking, you're talking.
Who was the guy that was the dancer?
Dan of New Haven.
He was a nice guy.
I want you to retract.
Jim, it's not nonsense.
Let's not be mean.
He was.
The idea that it may be nonsense to you, but it wasn't nonsense to him.
And we must understand all points of view.
All right.
Let me pose to him an alternative view.
Prior to our effort in Iraq, the alternatives, the choices for people in the Middle East were feudal despots that they oftentimes thought were propped up by America, or this radical fascist faction of Islam.
I think what we've done here, I know what we've done here, is introduce a third choice, liberal democracy, which I think is going to siphon off when we're in the middle of the world.
Yeah, but was it, speaking for Dan now, was it our right to give them this choice?
Our right comes from our necessity to protect ourselves by introducing another choice.
But what right do we have to impose choice on people?
We protect ourselves by siphoning off support for Al-Qaeda.
That's what I think is happening right now.
It's happening even in places like Jordan that are now seeing the insurgents in Iraq for what they really are.
That's true.
And turning away from their support.
This is what I think is the long-term effect.
It's the only way that really this sort of fascist sect can be combated by...
Well, but as Dan might say, there wouldn't be any insurgents if it weren't for Bush.
Nonsense.
It's been going on for 40, 50 years.
I mean, you're ignoring history.
Yeah.
That's true.
Well, I just want you.
I totally agree with you, but I don't want Dan to feel bad.
Well, I understand.
I don't want him to feel bad either.
But I think that this is a fact that most every time somebody says this is a diversion, it misses the fact that this is their most effective way of addressing this war against Western civilization.
Well, but Western civilization has it coming.
We have squandered the world.
I'm sorry, I can't get it.
People like me.
But that aside, this is our most effective defense, I think.
Right.
Okay, well, Jim, I appreciate the call.
And just so you know, you're right on the money, 100%.
And I'm just in a giddy mood here today.
I know.
It's actually no fun listening to.
And you held up well under it.
I appreciate it.
We'll be right back.
Say with us.
Okay, couple quick things.
It's not looking good for Hillary.
This is a great day for this news.
The Democrats lose the election in Iraq, and Hillary is losing her support.
The draft Hillary chief, Bob Kunst, who has got all this draft Hillary movement going, he broadcasts the first pro-Hillary TV ads of the 2008 cycle.
He's so upset at her for triangulating on the Iraq war story that he's mulling new ads to accuse Bill Clinton of betraying his wife politically.
They're cute.
They think Bill Clinton is giving her bad advice, and they're beginning to, maybe he doesn't want her to win so that he will be the Clinton in the family.
Whatever the truth is, the bloom is off the rose, and the Hillary campaign has been going that way for a while.
McCain in the White House saying he's celebrating his torture bill, saying that we have sent a message to the world that the U.S. is not like the terrorists.
Excuse me, Senator, but that's what's wrong with your bill.
That's a faulty premise.
Anybody in the world who thinks that we are like terrorists in the first place is not going to be convinced by this.
And if you think we're like them and we needed this, then you are sadly out of touch too, Senator.
Got to go, folks.
Stand by for the video cast, the iPod of the, it's coming up.
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