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Dec. 15, 2005 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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December 15, 2005, Thursday, Hour #3
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The views expressed by the host on this program make more sense than anything anybody else happens to be saying because the views expressed by the host on this program are rooted in a daily relentless, unstoppable pursuit of the truth.
Great to have you along for the ride today.
Rush Limbaud, general all-around good guy, well-known radio racantur, and to some the most dangerous man in America.
Telephone number if you'd like to be on the program 800-282-2882.
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Massachusetts Senator John Kerry said last night that if Democrats retake the House, there is a solid case to bring articles of impeachment against President Bush for allegedly misleading the country about pre-war intelligence, according to several Democrats who attended.
Kerry was speaking at a holiday party for alumni of his losing White House 04 bid.
About a hundred campaign veterans gathered at Finn McCool's bar in D.C. to hear John Kerry.
Boy, what a holiday party that had to be.
In a short speech, Kerry praised the Democrats who were working on Senate and House campaigns, and then said, according to one listener, if we take back the House, there's a solid case to bring articles of impeachment against the president.
Another listener heard uh slight variation.
That variation went this way.
If we win back the House, I think we have a pretty solid case to bring articles of impeachment against the president.
Kerry then quickly added, according to several in the audience, don't tell anyone I said that.
Kerry communications director David Wade, well-known political hack, in an email said his boss was joking.
John Kerry isn't funny.
I never heard John Kerry tell a joke, try to be funny.
Well wouldn't John Kerry ever try to be funny.
That face is not capable of smiling, folks.
There's too much Botox in it.
Here's what Wade said.
Is it really a story that with a smile on his face, which I'm telling you is the first when have you seen Kerry smile?
Does anybody is there a picture of John Kerry smiling anywhere that somebody can show me?
I don't ever see too many liberals smiling.
They're talking about politics anyway.
Anyway, Wade said, is it really a story that with a smile on his face and a ensuing laughter at a Christmas party?
A Democrat joked about why these diehard Democrats needed to keep dreaming of a Democrat Congress.
Impeachment jokes in Washington are as old as Don Rumsfeld and as funny as Dick Cheney is gruff.
See, these people cannot be funny.
They are mean, they are angry, they are PO'd constantly.
But the point is this.
There's no question, I predicted this to you.
I predicted to you prior to the 2004 election that if the Democrats couldn't beat Bush, that their next objective would be to impeach him.
And this isn't Kerry's not the first Democrat to talk about it.
He may be the first senator, but all these kook websites and and uh and their their organizations out there trying to get the deck Democrats to do this on their own.
I that doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
Kerry said this, nor that he meant it, nor that the people in the audience believed it and want it to happen.
I'm telling you, if the reason you want to win elections is to impeach the president who's got you know two years left to go after that election, if if that's why you want to win, your motivation's lousy.
And it's just it's gonna add up.
I'm telling you right now that these people are cruising to the another post-Wellstone Memorial defeat.
They just haven't the slightest clue.
Now, folks, I know if you're like me, you get constantly barraged in your email with people sending you these funny little things that they think you've never seen.
And if you're like me, it irritates the hell out of.
I have people, friends of mine, who pollute my private email box with this stuff, and that's the only time I ever hear from them.
And I've already seen this stuff 25 or 30 times.
But they send it around and and and it's the worst thing that ever happened to these people was getting them email.
They haven't the slightest idea how to use it.
They just pass along all this rubbish and garbage.
But occasionally one of these things comes in that I have not seen.
Such is just the case moments ago.
So I I I got hold of my friend who uh uh Senate who happens to be one of John Kerry's neighbors out in uh Squall Mountain.
Where is it?
Where is it?
Uh where's Carrie's ski chalet or Teresa's?
Where's Teresa's ski chillet?
Is it Idaho or Montana?
Where is it?
I it's somewhere, huh?
No, it's not they it's what is it?
I it's that's not squalva.
I'm making it up.
It's some I can't remember where these I don't ski.
These people that go to cold weather to vacation, I don't understand them anyway.
Um last place I'd go on a vacation, it's cold weather.
I've never understood people that do that.
People like to ski, fall down, get cold ice and snow all over the place.
It's all just an excuse to head to the lodge and have a drink.
Or to hang around with the beautiful people.
I've really I don't understand people go to cold weather.
Even people that live in hot weather.
Uh you move to hot weather because you like it.
Why go to cold weather?
Unless you're going to get out of this business.
I do it because I have to, but I get out of there as soon as I can.
Anyway, this the guy, a good friend of mine sent me this thing, and he's Carrie's neighbor wherever Teresa's ski lodge is.
And it's headlines from the year 2029.
So I asked him, where'd you get this?
Yes, friend of mine sent it to me from Houston, he said.
So I don't know where it comes from.
Uh but since I'm on the cutting edge, and since I haven't seen this, I'm assuming it's relatively new.
Uh Idaho.
Catch them, Idaho, is it somewhere out in Idaho.
So I want to read this to you.
Headlines from the year 2029.
If if it's old hat and been around for five years, I'm sorry, I haven't seen it.
Here are headlines from the year 2029.
Ozone created by electric cars, now killing millions in seventh largest country in the world, Mexifornia, formerly known as California.
White minorities still trying to have English recognized as Mexifia's third language.
Spotted owl plague threatens northwestern U.S. crops and livestock.
Baby conceived naturally, scientists stumped.
Couple petitions court to reinstate heterosexual marriage.
Last remaining fundamentalist Muslim dies in American territory of Middle East, formerly known as Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, and Lebanon.
Iraq still closed off.
Physicists estimate it will take at least ten more years before radioactivity decreases to safe levels.
France pleads for global help after being taken over by Jamaica.
Castro finally dies at age 112.
Cuban cigars can now be imported legally, but President Chelsea Clinton has banned all smoking.
George Z. Bush says he will run for president in 2036.
Postal Service raises price of first class stamp to $17.89, reduces mail delivery to Wednesdays only.
85 years, 75.8 billion dollars study.
Diet and exercise is the key to weight loss.
Average weight of Americans drops to 250 pounds.
Massachusetts executes last remaining conservative.
Supreme Court rules punishment of criminals violates their civil rights.
Average height of NBA players now nine feet seven inches.
New federal law requires that all nail clippers, screwdrivers, fly swatters, and rolled up newspapers must be registered by January 2036.
Congress authorizes direct deposit of formerly illegal political contributions to campaign accounts.
Capitol Hill intern indicted for refusing to have sex with Congressmen.
IRS sets lowest tax rate at 75%.
That's what it seems like now.
And the last headline from the year 2029.
Florida voters still having trouble with voting machines.
Grab a couple phone calls.
Amy Fort Knox, Kentucky.
Hi, and welcome to the program.
Thank you, actually.
Great to talk to you.
Merry Christmas.
Thank you.
And um I just want to let you know, the military wife, um, today is just a very uh special day for me uh personally, knowing my husband contributed to what's going on over there.
Um and I think you ought to be proud.
I I think we all ought to be proud.
This is American exceptionalism on display.
I think it's a it's a fabulous day.
The Iraqi elections, the Democrats lose another election today, folks, the Iraqi elections.
They weren't able to stop them, they weren't able to to stop the turnout.
It was it's just been great.
You ought to feel proud of your husband's role.
I I definitely am, and I I want to say a big thank you to our troops who are serving right now, and um, you know, uh and thank you also Rush for what you do every day for our troops.
I appreciate it.
I know there's probably no one who does more.
Uh just kidding.
Uh I'm in a good mood today.
But I appreciate your comments, uh, Amy.
What what where is your husband there now or is he back?
Um he he's back.
Um he was over there for about a year, um, helping those those folks out and helping us also back here at home.
Uh wait, wait, wait, wait was your husband one of the soldiers that was storming into the homes of Iraqis at night and terrorizing uh Iraqi women and children.
Yeah, I I I he doesn't talk much about you know exactly what happened over there, but you know, I I I I don't think that that's going on.
Well, no, that's what John Kerry says it is, and that's why we got to bring the troops home.
That's what I'm saying.
John John Kerry's men like your husband were storming into the homes of Iraqis under cover of darkness and terrorizing the women and children in there and violating the religious customs and all that.
And I just I want to know if you could admit to Nini now if your husband was one of those soldiers.
Well, you know, uh like I said, it do that I I know that he didn't terrorize women and children.
I know that much rush.
So I know.
I'm I'm I taking the occasion.
You know, every time I hear him speak, I know he's behind our troops and what they're doing and not um, you know, trying to undermine them.
Exactly well, not uh the exact opposite of his is he's that's the that's the guy if you want to know, who uh really is doing everything possible for the American uh military force around the world, George W. Bush.
I'm glad you called, Amy.
Thanks much.
Speaking of President Bush, let's go some audio sound bites.
I I mentioned earlier that the president was interviewed by Brent Hume, Fox News channel yesterday.
And a couple of things the president said were were rush.
See, I told you so.
Tom Delay is the subject first.
Let's go back to Wednesday, April 6th of this year.
Delay is effective.
They don't like delay because he doesn't he doesn't cower to them.
Delay doesn't cut and run.
They gave him a nickname, the hammer.
And what is he's a whip.
He was the whip.
He was the guy that hammered people in line, kept the caucus together, made sure the legislation got through the house on the Republican side.
Party discipline is what that's all about.
The president was asked by Britt Hume yesterday, do you hope and expect that Tom Delay will return to be the majority leader?
Yes.
Oh, do you s I don't know whether I can expect that.
I hope that he will.
Why?
Because I like him.
And plus uh when he's over there, we get our votes through the House.
We had a remarkable uh success of legislative victories.
Uh remarkable string of legislative victories.
Uh we've uh you know cut the taxes and which has yielded a uh strong economic growth and vitality.
We've uh had an energy bill that began to put America on this way to independence.
I say began, there's a lot more work to be done there.
So the president echoing me uh in talking about delay's effectiveness.
Let's go to October 24th of this year, uh just about two months ago.
And this is what I said about the president and his his own personal view of the presidency.
This is something about him, I think, to respect.
He has a very high ideal of the office of the presidency.
Only 43 people have occupied that office.
And he's not gonna be the one to sp besmirch it, and he's not gonna besmirch others who've held it.
It's a special thing.
It's people have held it, have all been elected.
And so he's just he's not gonna disparage past occupants of the White House.
And so I just if you take that and couple it with what was going on, I just don't think it's in his nature to get partisan in a political way.
He had he did very seldom, if ever gets partisan outside of a campaign, And only rarely then does he get partisan.
And I think it's because of his uh desire to have this vaunted ideal of the office of the presidency, and his desire to try to, you know, unify things after after 2000.
Question from Brit Hume yesterday.
There was an evident decision after the election to try to be above the political fray.
You came under withering attack on the use of pre-war intelligence on the Iraq policy itself, and the response from the administration was remarkably passive for a long time.
Why was that?
Just came off an election and uh we're trying to elevate the debate and put politics behind and see if that couldn't happen, it didn't happen.
But I've always felt like one of my jobs is to try to change the tone in Washington, D.C. Uh to bring people together for the common good.
To the best of my ability, I've resisted uh dragging the presidency and uh and the name calling and the finger pointing and the blaming.
Um but uh no, you you're right.
And and we took a pastry, you know, a blasting and have begun recently to make the case in a more forceful way to the American people.
So the point of the CI Told You Sos is to just once again let you know that that uh it's unwise to discount me.
I know what I'm talking about uh on practically everything.
We have more Bush sound bites.
Uh Hume asked him, can you say today, if you knew then what you know now about the weapons, that you would have made the same decision.
I said it today, and I said it the last speech I gave, and I've said it throughout the campaign of the American people.
I said I made the right decision.
Knowing what I know today, I would have still made that decision.
So if you'd had this, if the weapons had been out of the equation because the intelligence did not conclude that he had them, it was still the right calling.
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, uh let me tell you why it was the right call.
Let me go back and get this.
I mentioned this in the first hour of the program.
I'm gonna tell you why it was the right call.
I hope I put this in the stack.
I bet I didn't.
Uh try to think of what Saddam Hussein would be doing in Iraq today if he were still there.
Think what Iraq would be.
Think about the people who live there.
Think about the oil for food program.
Think about all of the torture and rape rooms that would still be.
Think about Al Qaeda using the place as a training facility.
Think about the fact that the uh uh the the whole mess in the Middle East would not have been uh dealt with at all.
Uh you would still have had Saddam Hussein paying twenty-five thousand dollars per family, the Palestinian suicide bombers, all this from the Iraqi Treasury.
Iraqi people would not be out voting today.
They'd have a say in their future.
Uh as to weapons of mass destruction, the New York Sun has a story today.
Saddam Hussein moved his chemical weapons to Syria six weeks before the war started, says Israel's top general during Operation Iraqi freedom.
The assertion comes, as President Bush said yesterday, that much of the intelligence on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction was incorrect.
The Israeli officer is Lieutenant General Moshe Yalun.
He asserted that Saddam spirited his chemical weapons out of the country on the eve of the war.
He transferred the chemical agents from Iraq to Syria.
General Yalan told the uh New York Sun over dinner in New York Tuesday night.
No one went to Syria to find it.
Perhaps they transferred them to another country such as Syria.
He suspects someday that they uh will be found.
Syria makes no comment to this.
Spokesman in the Syrian embassy in Washington did not return a call seeking a comment, but the general's comment could uh increase pre shirt pressure on the Syrian government that's already mounting from Washington and the United Nations.
Um Bush also made uh uh mention of the fact uh that he had originally claimed that Iran was part of the original axis of evil in this interview with uh uh with Brit Hume, and then of course it's true, so he had Iraq, you had Iran and uh and North Korea.
So the to sum all this up, the Democrats lose another election, this one in Iraq.
They are having difficulty coping with the success that this country has.
They have invested in defeat, policy after policy after policy.
And if you miss the first hour, I know you liberals are having a bad it's Christmas time.
You're not really fing on Christmas either, because not everybody celebrates it.
It's just not fair when five percent of the people of the country don't celebrate it, nobody should.
And so you couple, it's Christmas time, that's depressing, and the election was successful, Bush's approval numbers are rising, everything you threw at him hasn't worked, it's got to be a terrible time.
And I want people to be happy.
We conservatives want to spread joy.
There's no reason to be an American, live in this country today, to not be happy.
So, for you liberals, try to join us to be happy, just pretend that all of this that's happening is happening under Bill Clinton's watch.
You pretend every day anyway, that you're winning, that you're going to win 06, you pretend this, pretend that Bill Clinton is still president.
if you pretend that Clinton is still president you will then support all of these great things that are happening and you might find a way to be happy and optimistic.
Just our little attempt to help you enjoy the spirit of the times back in a moment talent on loan from God it is the Rush Limbaugh program and the EIB network.
And I am firmly in sconce in the prestigious at Tildahung chair at the distinguished Limbaugh Institute for advanced conservative studies.
Dan in New Haven Connecticut nice to have you on the program sir.
Hi, good afternoon, Rush.
How are you?
I've been listening to you for a long time.
Thank you, sir.
Yeah, listen, I just want to make a quick statement.
Number one, I've been against the Iraq war since, you know, the beginning.
Yes.
I do think today was a monumental day, but, you know, I just foresee this, you know, I can see how, you know, freedom in Iraq will be, you know, justify, the ends will justify the means.
But, you know, in the end, you know, Al-Qaeda and Osama and all those Yahoo's attacked us on 9-11.
And I know we're still, you know, in Afghanistan, you know, smoking them out, but it's just, Iraq just is almost like a diversion.
You know, we still have yet to get Osama.
A diversion?
I have a question.
Correct me if you just said that you think it's a monumental day, the elections are a great thing, but we shouldn't have gone to war because that diverted us from getting Obama.
How would the election have occurred had we not gone to war?
Well, for one, you know, Osama, Iraq should not have even been uprooted.
It's now a training ground because we're there, and it's very unfortunate.
And, you know, not Iraq.
And I've been against it from the beginning, and I'm still against it now.
You know, I do respect opposing arguments, and I always get labeled a liberal for my views.
Yes, well, I understand that.
Well, I must say, before anyone labels me with a political party, I am an American first.
Well, that's a label, too, and you've got to be careful abandoning these labels about.
Right, and I just think that, you know, Iraq, I'll use the term very loosely, it was a mistake, shame on John Kerry, and shame on anyone else that, voted for it even my own senators from Connecticut um but the fact of the matter is we're in there now whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa no one senator from Connecticut was all for this uh that would be Senator Lieberman uh Senator Dodd if I'm not mistaken did vote for the war.
Yeah but you you said you're I well I didn't I misheard you but I thought you said your senators uh well Dodd is not both of them I I know he might think so but well and Lieberman both okay now we're back on track and and I do recall back in July of oh one seeing uh Joe Lieberman on Larry King um you know if you will prepping up uh you know Saddam is a bad person and uh he should be removed.
Well, you know, as I say, I think the war, I disagree with you totally on this, as you might imagine.
I don't think there's been a diversion at all.
I think this has been taking the war to the terrorists, and I think they're losing this insurgency or what have you.
I think this is all positive.
But I think this election, and I think the outcome shows just how irrelevant Democrats are when it comes to the whole subject of Iraq or the war on terror or Iraq.
Osama because the Democrats have been trying to undermine us here at home they've been trying to demoralize the troops and despite their best efforts, Liberty marches on because of American exceptionalism.
Now, have you tried my hint that if you if you really want to be happy today, pretend that Bill Clinton was president during all this, and then you might you w if if Clinton would have been doing this, you could pretend that then you would have been happy to you've been totally supportive of the policy.
And then and that um Rush, may I speak?
Um just to uh okay I'm 25 years old and when Clinton was in office I really didn't start paying attention.
Actually when I was living in Vermont uh my father and I would watch your talk show uh each morning.
And um so I really you know cannot you know say that Clinton was a better president.
Um you know certainly I mean I know that might be unfair to Bush.
You're right.
Yeah and I will say that, you know uh President Bush, you know, I I do agree with him on some things and others I don't.
And um but what I don't understand is, you know how Clinton just seems to be the end all means of, you know, the holy grail for Democrats.
I just don't see that.
Um you know and I do want to say that, you know, I'm not sure what the best solution will be with Iraq.
You know obviously it's a very heated uh issue and I've had some very good friends uh serve over there and some of that have been killed.
And I think I I I understand I understand I th I think I understand exactly what you're saying.
Bill Clinton you uh it wasn't all that bad a guy but he was pretty rotten sometimes.
And and uh Osama is the bad guy but we needed to do Iraq too but we really need to focus on Osama but we can't be mean about it.
And we can't torture.
And I think when when talking about uh uh the the the the reason why the Democrats think that Clinton is the be all end all I mean who wouldn't want to have the life of Bill Clinton.
No responsibility credit for everything that happened get to chase interns around, stain dresses with your own semen and have the whole country love you for it.
I mean it th this that that that is that is a life's objective for many people and uh and Democrats and uh I I totally understand their their desire for that.
Uh they also democracy has not been fair to Democrats.
They are losing elections in this country now in Iraq can understand why they're not supportive of democracy.
But I like democracy.
I think democracy can be good.
Democracy can be bad but it can be good too.
Here's a way democracy can be bad.
Democracy is simply majority rule.
Let's say you and I and another guy and two women are in the room and one guy makes a motion I suggest that we take both of these women back to the bedroom and have fun with them.
Let's take a vote.
Three guys vote yes and the two women vote no well they lose ha ha ha we guys win.
I like the way that works that's democracy.
That can be bad.
You gotta have democracy with a moral foundation to say that kind of thing is not allowed under our rule of law.
That's what the Iraqis are working on and so forth.
So I I I understand exactly where you're coming from uh Osama, yeah we got to do something about him.
We should have focused on Osama we shouldn't have gone to Iraq but we did go to Iraq so I'm glad we did and and uh life's peachy and I am glad you called Danks so much uh I've I I've enjoyed it immensely.
Here is uh Dwayne in Cape Coral, Florida nice to have you on the program.
Hey Merry Christmas didos from Southwest and happy New Year's Eve to you too sir.
Yay listen Rush it is remarkable the commitment that the Iraqis have to democracy.
I mean here they have a nationwide ban on vehicles and they're all walking to the polls.
My question to you Rush is how many Americans would take the time to walk to the polls if we had to the people at Democrats in Ohio were complaining about having to wait for four hours and the Iraqis walked through explosions.
It it's just it's just one point I think we're so selfish we have it so easy and yet democracy to them is they're able to put their two feet together and walk the fault and stand behind.
Exactly right well there's an there's a reason for this.
I mean people born in this country are born to it.
They've not had to fight for it.
Others did that.
And so everybody's point of relativity is, well, the relative nature of people's experience is different than that in, say, Iraq.
These people have come from a tyranny that people in this country simply do not understand, can't relate to.
We've not lived under it.
Fortunately, we still have people with an exceptional vision who understand how rotten it is, even though they've never experienced it themselves.
believe that no human being should be forced to live that way and are willing to do what's necessary, particularly when it impacts our own national security for the better to uh to do things and take steps to uh help it out.
That's why I say we conservatives are optimistic, we are joyful, and we are attempting to uh share the bounties of our experience with as many people as possible.
This is laughed at by the left.
It's the left that said that is people can't handle democracy.
People can't handle freedom when they said when the Soviet Union uh uh imploded after the Cold War.
They've had a lifetime of dependence, they're not gonna be able to do that.
Uh freedom works every time it's tried, it's the natural yearning of the human spirit.
Now, I don't want to be a negative about things, folks.
You know me, uh eternally optimistic, but uh the Democrats, we might think that they've lost the election in Iraq, but until they go in and make sure that there aren't any hanging Chads, uh, make sure the voting machines worked.
Um, I'm I'm I'm not joking.
I wouldn't be surprised if at some point some Democrat charges election fraud somewhere over there, because that's in their playbook.
See, when they lose elections, and believe me, the Iraq election is a loss for the Democrats.
When they lose it, they don't lose it.
The other side cheats.
So they have to figure out who cheated them out of this.
And they will demand an investigation.
Uh if they find something they think, then they'll start talking about it.
If uh if they don't find it, well, I think they'll talk about it anyway.
I'm I'm not kidding.
There will be a point in the not too distant future where some elected Democrat will question the authenticity and legitimacy of the vote.
It's just in the playbook.
It's in the cards.
I have to take a quick break.
I want to remind you my attorney Roy Black appearing with the Wolf Blitzer tonight between seven and eight on CNN.
A show is called the Situation Room.
And uh Wolf asked.
That's why Roy is going there.
And I like Wolf.
Wolf is Wolf is uh he's fair, and he wants to get to the bottom of the confusion in the reporting of Judge Crow's ruling on Monday, the latest development in my so-called legal case.
The uh a lot of TV and print reporting just missed this, uh, casting it either as a full win or as a partial win for the prosecutors, the state, and it's not.
It is not a win at all in terms of their stated objectives.
And Roy is going to go on with Wolf and explain this as it'll be on CNN tonight between 7 and 8 p.m.
A quick timeout.
We'll be back and continue in mere moments.
From Night Ritter newspapers, looking for religious voters, some Democrats are finding God.
The headline of this story, Democrats trying harder to appeal to the faithful.
Well, so is Satan.
So I I guess this makes I guess this makes some sense as a Democrats that want to get in on the action.
But where have I heard this before?
Right after the 2004 elections.
Well, we got to get up to speed on values.
Well, what what now all of a sudden Democrats trying harder to appeal to the faithful?
Yep, says here, looking for religious voters, some Democrats finding God.
They're finding him.
Should be capitalizing this story, but it's not.
Finding him in terms more familiar in recent times to religious conservatives than to liberals.
They are invoking Jesus Christ or the spiritual meaning of Christmas as they push their agenda or criticize Republicans in one example.
Several congressional Democrats stood before the Capitol Christmas tree as they urged raising the minimum wage.
They called it key to the true meaning of Christmas.
See, this is where they just don't get it.
It's as unbelievable.
The minimum wage is in the true spirit of Christmas.
It's remember back during this, the the the uh the heated debates on the homeless.
I'll never forget this.
Late 80s, early 90s.
Some wacko minister in some wacko sect up in the wacko northeast in Vermont or something, said that the homeless, we gotta be very careful with the homeless.
We could find the modern equivalent of Mary and Joseph.
Mary and Joseph were homeless.
Mary and Joseph are wandering the streets.
They couldn't find a home.
They couldn't find anywhere.
They had to end up in a barn.
And of course, this is a minister saying this.
Mary and Joseph were not homeless.
Mary and Joseph were headed into the city to pay their taxes or to be hung.
And Joseph forgot to guarantee the room on the American Express card.
So they had to end up in the manger.
So now you go to the Capitol Christmas tree and say, yep, we're religious.
We're out finding God.
We are Democrats.
By the way, we have learned that Christmas equals raising the minimum wage.
You just can't make this stuff up, folks.
Yes.
Jim in Grand Rapids, Michigan.
I'm glad you called, sir.
Welcome to the EIB network.
Yeah, uh, welcome, Rush.
Listen, I just wanted to make a point that this uh idea that Iraq is a diversion from our efforts against Al Qaeda is really nonsense.
Uh prior to Well, wait, wait, wait.
Now you're talking, you're talking who was the guy that that was the Dan, yeah.
Dan in New Haven.
He was a nice guy.
I want you to retreat.
Jim, it's not nonsense.
It's not don't let's not let's not be mean.
He was it it it it uh the idea that that uh uh it it it it may be nonsense to you, but it wasn't nonsense to him.
And we must understand all points of view.
All right.
Let me let me uh pose to him an alternative view.
Um prior to our effort in Iraq, the alternatives, the choices for people in the Middle East were uh feudal despots that they oftentimes thought were propped up by America, or this radical fascist uh faction of of uh Islam.
I think what we've done here, I know what we've done here is introduce a third choice liberal democracy, uh, which I think is going to siphon off what was it was it speaking for Dan now, was it our right to give them this choice?
Our right comes from our necessity to protect ourselves by introducing another choice.
But what right do we have to impose choice on people?
We protect ourselves by siphoning off support for Al Qaeda.
That's that's what I think is happening right now.
It's happening even in in places like Jordan that are now seeing the insurgents in Iraq for what they really are.
That's true.
And turning, you know, turning away from their support.
This is where I think is the long-term effect.
It's the only way that really this sort of uh fascist sect can be combat is by the way.
Well, but uh, as Dan might say, there wouldn't be any insurgents if it weren't for Bush.
Nonsense.
It's been going on for 40, 50 years.
No.
I mean ignoring history.
Yeah.
That's true.
Well, uh, I I just want you I totally agree with you, but I don't want Dan to feel bad.
Well, I actually don't want him to feel bad either.
But I I think that this is a fact that most of every time somebody says this is a diversion, it misses the fact that this is their most effective way of addressing this war against Western civilization.
Uh well, but Western civilization has it coming.
We have squandered the world.
I'm sorry, I can't produce people like me.
But that aside, this is our most effective defense, I think.
Right.
Uh okay.
Well, Jim, I appreciate the call.
And just just to just so you know, you're right on the money 100%.
And I I was I'm I'm just in a gibby mood here today, and I was.
I know.
It's actually all fun listening to it.
And yeah, held up well under it.
I appreciate it.
We'll be right back.
Stay with us.
Okay, couple quick things.
It's not looking good for Hillary.
This is a great day for this news.
The Democrats lose the election in Iraq, and Hillary is losing her support.
The draft Hillary chief, Bob Kunst, who has got all this draft Hillary movement going, he broadcast the first pro-Hillary TV ads of the 2008 cycle is so upset at her for triangulating on the Iraq uh war story that he's mulling new ads to accuse Bill Clinton of betraying his wife politically.
They're cute, they think Bill Clinton is giving her bad advice, and they're beginning to maybe he doesn't want her to win so that he will be the Clinton in the family.
Whatever the truth is, the bloom is off the rose, and the Hillary campaign has been going that way for a while.
McCain in the White House saying he's celebrating his torture bill, saying that we have sent a message to the world that the U.S. is not like the terrorists.
Excuse me, Senator, but that's what's wrong with your bill.
That's a faulty premise.
Anybody in the world who thinks that we are like terrorists in the first place is not going to be convinced by this.
And if you think we're like them and we needed this, then you are sadly out of touch, too, Senator.
Gotta go, folks.
Stand by for the video cast, the iPod of the uh it's coming up.
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