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Dec. 13, 2005 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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December 13, 2005, Tuesday, Hour #1
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Welcome to today's edition of the Rush 247 Podcast.
Well, thank you so much, Johnny Donovan.
What a pleasure and a privilege it is to be able to spend the next few hours with you.
I know you're disappointed that Rush is not here.
He is under the weather.
I'm always disappointed when Rush isn't here.
But for those of you too who've been waiting for the morning update, Ditto Cam Video Podcasts, they will debut soon when Rush is back, which I hope is tomorrow.
Right back in this chair and the Golden EIB microphone.
I happen to be coming to you by way of my home now, Detroit, Michigan.
And it is uh it's great to be in my WJR Detroit Studios, the great voice of the Great Lakes, and to be able to look across the glass and see Ann Thomas, my executive producer for the morning show, Anna Bartolada, Paul Roy, Brian Morton.
You can't believe how many people are behind the scenes to make these shows work.
You already know about Mike Mamon, who I used to work with at WABC in New York, and uh Brett Winterbull is the guy who answers the phone when you call right now at 1800-282-2882, 800-282-2882.
We'll open the phone lines right away.
Then of course there's Russia's chief of staff, the famous HR, Kit H. R. Carson.
HR's been with the show now fifteen years.
Happy anniversary to you.
And another guy I used to work with at WABC in New York, the official EIB announcer Johnny Donovan.
I even worked with Bo Snerdly a long time ago.
But Bo's not around today.
Rush is off ill, so Bo gets off too.
What a contract Bo Snerdly has.
I have talked to you from the uh the fifty thousand watts of WABC from WMCA in New York over the years, WWDB in Philadelphia, and now my home, WJR in Detroit, filled in for Paul Harvey a number of times, America's number one newsman, and once for even Sean Hannity, and in the very very beginning, many, many years ago on WABC, on the Rush Limbaugh Show, when it was just on WABC or at least my fill-in part.
Like you, I am a faithful student at the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies.
As you know, there is no final exam.
We are tested every day, and if you just look at the news today, you know how much we are tested every day.
I mourn the loss of life.
Uh well, I'll get to that in a moment.
I the couple of things that we are going to be talking about is the taking back of the Christmas season.
Uh and also uh and this one's close to home because we are Motown, we are the Motor City, the heart of the Midwest, and the site of Super Bowl 40, by the way, next month.
And uh and and I must tell you that we're going to invite Rick Wagner, the uh the chairman and CEO of General Motors uh coming up on the program today, to ask him basically bluntly, why should anyone else care about how the General Motors story ends?
You've certainly seen in the Wall Street Journal lately a couple of different editorials, one that Rick Wagner wrote uh several days ago, and one that was just in again the other day, basically talking to us about the motor city and about the automobile industry and uh and uh the fates and fortune of an industry that affects a lot of people, and of course, here in Detroit it means everything.
Here in the state of Michigan, it means everything.
But what's it mean to the rest of us around the country and for that matter around the world?
We'll give Rick Wagner a chance to tell us.
Uh other news that's out there.
I I have to tell you right off the bat I am I am sick, and uh I mourn the death uh that uh has been so much uh in the news and uh you know I'm talking about uh uh what has happened here with Stanley Tookie Williams, and uh and I know there's been a lot of argument and a lot of people for or against a capital punishment.
Uh and uh and you know it's great that he uh that he ended up writing children's books and telling people not to join the uh the Crips, which he founded, and you know, thousands of people probably have been affected by the Crips.
Uh heck you have to commit a crime just to become a member.
I'm glad that uh that he changed and that he saw the light.
Uh but but I must tell you I am sad about the death.
Uh uh incredibly sad about the death of well, first of all, Elbert Lewis Owens, uh, who was just twenty-six when Tookie told him to lay down on the floor face down, and Tookie stuck a shotgun in his back and killed him.
You see, Albert Lewis Owens, who was twenty six when Tookie killed him on that seven eleven store for a hundred twenty dollar robbery, would be fifty-two today, which happens to be my age.
Fifty-two.
And you know, while Tookie wrote children's books and all of that, who knows what Albert Lewis Owens might have done had he been given an opportunity to live.
Can you say he wouldn't have discovered a cure for cancer?
I can't.
Who knows what he might have done?
He never got the chance.
So today I mourn the death of not Tookie Williams, but of Albert Lewis Owens, who would be 52 today.
Of Sai Shay Yang, who would be 89 had he not killed her at the age of 63.
Yen I Yang, 76 when he was murdered by Tookie, and Yi Chan Lin, who was forty-three and had the misfortune of visiting her mom and dad at work, where they were merely running a motel when Tookie decided to kill them.
Their daughter, Yi Chan Lin would be sixty-nine today.
And doesn't it just bother you a little bit?
That all we hear about is Tookie this and Tookie that, and we don't hear anything about these four people that Tookie took off the face of the earth.
It just makes me sick, and when you see the Hollywood elite get involved in this thing, it just becomes ridiculous.
It becomes laughable.
Well, but it isn't funny.
Because nothing about what Stanley Tookie Williams did was funny.
And the biggest crime was that it took us so long to finally put him to death.
Because if justice was served and it didn't take over twenty years, we never would have known that he could, in fact, write children's stories and whatever else he did that makes people forget what he did with no apology, no atonement for these senseless and brutal killings.
No redemption.
This is the guy who joked about the gurgling last sounds of twenty-six-year-old Albert Lewis Owens after he shot him in the back, laying on the floor of a 7 Eleven in a 120 dollar robbery.
Goodbye, Stanley Tookie Williams.
Sorry it took so long, but in your words, as you said just before you died.
It's God's will.
Interestingly enough.
Well, and by the way, whatever happened to God and Christ in Christmas, we'll talk a little bit about that today because we have the opportunity.
It's been going on for a long time.
You've heard Rush talk about it, you've heard other people talk about it, but now finally, and maybe it's because of the internet, finally something good from the internet, I mean really good, and that is people are finding some strength to step up and say, you know what, we happen to celebrate Christmas.
If you don't, that's fine.
Welcome to America.
We are inclusive.
We let you come to this country as we came to this country.
We invite you to celebrate whatever holidays are important to you that doesn't offend us, that doesn't offend us at all.
Why should you be offended by our celebrations?
Our celebrating our holidays, important to us shouldn't offend you.
And lately it's as if we are having folks over for dinner.
It's like America is having folks over for dinner at our house.
And when all of our guests are seated at our table, we realize that we can't even sit at our own table because they're short of chair.
We find another chair in the other room, we bring it to the table, but we're told by our guests in our house, sorry, no sorry, no room at the table.
It's our table, it's our house.
This is our country.
We welcome everyone.
Please.
Come to these United States of America, but don't immediately put us down for what makes us these United States of America.
You come here for freedom.
Don't infringe on ours.
You come here to make more money than you can make in your country.
Then don't immediately complain that our money says in God we trust.
That's just the way it is.
We welcome you to Our country.
We've tried to be as nice as we possibly can and as inclusive as we possibly can.
Maybe we've bent over a little too far backwards, and now we're saying enough is enough.
Well, the phone lines are open to you, and I want to hear what you have to say about various stories of the day at 1 800 282 2882.
That's 1800 282882.
And we'll take our first callers in just a moment.
I'm Paul W. Smith in for Rush Limbaugh.
Merry Christmas.
Happy Hanukkah.
Happy Kwanzaa, happy whatever you might be celebrating.
That's what makes America great.
We all celebrate every every different holiday that's important to us.
We're all inclusive, aren't we?
Well, it seems like uh it's been harder to be all inclusive.
It's been uh the holiday season.
People were actually selling holiday trees instead of Christmas trees.
You go into the store and say, I'd like a Christmas tree.
Well, our holiday trees are over there.
So you go, you buy the tree.
Then you go to the other part of the store and you say, uh, gee, I guess I need a I need a holiday tree stand.
And the other person says, Well, I uh I don't know where that might be, but the Christmas tree stands are right over there.
one eight hundred two eight two twenty eight eighty two, direct line to the Rush Limbaugh Show, Paul W in for Rush, who's a bit onto the weather.
We're hoping he is back uh fine tomorrow.
Let's see what's on your mind as we go to Stephen in Terrytown, New York.
Stephen, welcome in to the Rush Limbaugh Show.
Hi, how you doing, Paul?
I'm a longtime fan.
Good.
Nice to have you.
I'm a longtime fan of the Rush Limbaugh show myself.
I used to I mean I'm a fan I'm a fan of Rush, of course, but I'm a fan of you too.
I used to listen to you when you were on MCA when I first moved to Tarrytown.
Oh my goodness, that was a long time ago.
Is that eighteen years ago, something like that?
Gotta be longer than well, let's see, it could have been about eighteen.
Let's see.
I spent uh been here almost ten years back home at WJR in Detroit.
I spent uh five glorious years in Philadelphia, and before that, five years in New York.
So from eighty-five to ninety in New York, ninety to ninety-six in Philadelphia, ninety-six to now, right here in Detroit.
Good memory, Stephen.
Wow, um and uh by the way, I don't know if you uh you ever been to Tarrytown?
I never have.
It's uh we're right near the uh tappan Z Bridge.
I don't know if you read in the New York Post about what's happening here next week.
No, what's happening?
Uh Scott Ritter, the former UN inspector, he's doing a big uh Iraq debate with Christopher Hitchens.
And uh apparently the at the uh Tarrytown music hall, and there's gonna be all kinds of protests with the Cindy Sheehan people and the American Legion people.
It's gonna be a big uh big event.
Okay, I'm glad you gave us the heads up, Stephen.
What else is on your mind today?
And uh also you can go to PopDebate dot com for tickets for that if you want.
And uh I wanted to talk about the Tukey Smith thing.
Took Tukey Williams?
Yeah, two uh two key uh Tukey Williams.
Okay.
Um do you think uh if if uh if Schwarzenegger if if if uh Tukey had uh admitted that he did it and apologized, do you think Schwarzenegger still would have gone through with the uh with the uh execution?
That's a good question.
Uh it's a good question, Stephen, in that uh Governor Schwarzenegger did say that without an apology and atonement for these senseless and brutal killings, there can be no redemption.
Sounds to me uh based on that that he might have at least looked at the uh the possibility of giving him some clemency life without uh you know, life without parole.
But he said based on the cumulative weight of the evidence there's no reason to second guess the jury's decision of guilt or raise significant doubts or serious reservations about Williams' convictions and death sentence, and again, without that apology and atonement, no redemption.
Uh could be.
It's a possibility.
You bring up uh an interesting uh question.
I guess we'll never know.
Hello.
I said I I guess we'll never know.
Stephen, thanks very much.
Frank is in uh Reading, California, and uh joining us on the Rush Limbaugh show.
Hello, Frank.
Hi, Paul, how are you doing this morning?
I'm great.
I hope you're well.
Yes, I am, thank you.
Just uh two quick comments about Tukey Williams.
Um I work for the California Department of Corrections, and Tukey Williams' son is currently imprisoned at High Desert State Prison in Susanville, California.
He's over on D Yard and they've got the yard locked down for security reasons.
We got a memo the other day at work that said that if Tukey was executed, there was a danger that the Crips and Bloods were going to unite and go after the officers on the yard.
And I find it interesting that two groups that are normally Very antagonistic towards one another when they have a common enemy, that is the guards, that they're willing to forget their differences and go after the guards.
That was one point.
The other is the people in our population in our culture that do believe in the death penalty, parolees or inmates.
Because they know if you want to control somebody's behavior, threaten to kill them if they don't do something, and they will comply.
So the question is, is the death penalty a deterrent to crime?
Yes.
Yeah, I agree with you, Frank.
I think the at the very least, it's a deterrent for that person that's put to death to ever committing another crime.
Yes.
But isn't that interesting?
I didn't know that.
Tookie's son is in another jail.
I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Thanks.
Anyway, he was still there, but he's gone now.
Frank?
Yes.
I uh you were starting to say something, and then we Oh, I just want to say you're doing a very good job for Rush.
Keep up the good work.
Oh boy, am I glad we got you back for that.
Thanks, Frank, uh, very much.
Let's go to Freddie in Long Island, New York.
Hello, Freddie.
Welcome to the Rush Limbaugh Show.
Yeah, hi, Paul.
How are you doing today?
I'm doing well.
Hope you're well.
Yes, thank you.
You know, I have a little different take on this, and it really burns me up with this uh issue of capital punishment.
When Williams decided in that time to shoot that person, he made a risk and reward value judgment.
He knew that the law was was already on the books that if I take this life, I run the risk if caught convicted of of being put to death.
He knew that.
His value judgment was I will take that risk.
He did that same value judgment twelve days later.
If you go into a store and you pick up an item, you're saying, is this worth X amount of dollars, whatever the case may be.
The bottom line is the state did not kill him.
He committed suicide when he put that shotgun to that kid's back, and when you kill that family.
So this this everybody that goes around and start saying, This poor guy, look what he's done in his redemption.
His redemption is between him and his maker, not between him and the uh the here and now, if you would.
Freddie, I made that decision.
I I'm so glad you brought this up, Freddie.
But here's the other point.
You know, if people would say he made this mistake when he shot this twenty-six-year-old kid face down on the floor of the 7 Eleven store in a hundred and twenty dollar robbery, you know, the heat of the moment, he was just gonna rob, something went wrong, he killed the guy.
But then to hear that, of course, he shot him in the back while he's laying on the floor, and that he joked about the gurgling sound this poor kid made as he was dying.
But then you're right, Freddie.
It's important to point out, days later, two weeks later, he then shoots three other people dead.
So the clearly, it wasn't just a happenstance, a circumstance, a bad turn of events.
He made decisions.
He made choices, and he was made to pay for his own decisions and his own choices.
You're right, he put himself to death.
That's exactly right.
If people must remember, you know, we we live in a society today that nobody wants to be take responsibility.
He made a choice.
Now, i if he we have laws on the books if it's uh justifiable homicide.
We have laws for manslaughter.
There were choices that could have been done, but he proved what he did and why he did it, and he paid the consequence, no more than anybody else would.
Personal responsibility.
Thanks, uh, Freddie.
People don't take that very often anymore.
Let's go to Wayne, who is on his cell phone in Baton Rouge.
Hello, Wayne.
How are things in Baton Rouge?
That's actually sunny and pretty nice here today.
Very good.
But the uh the comment I was going to make is that uh the death penalty is not so much for deterrent, uh, but it is to protect innocent life.
You you mentioned that earlier, is to keep that one who is has shown the propensity to kill innocent people is to protect other innocent people from being killed.
And the other thing is I think it provides when society has a way to provide that protection, ultimate punishment, it prov it lets the other victims, the families, be able to forgive and get over that.
Otherwise you end up with a uh a revenge system where they've got to go out and hunt Pookie down and kill himself.
But when society comes in and protects the other innocent people, it allows the the victims to to forgive and forget and get over and move forward.
I uh I agree with you, Wayne, not one hundred percent, but one thousand percent.
Thanks very much for your call as we uh squeeze in Justin in Brookville, Pennsylvania.
Hello, Justin, I'm Paul W. Smith.
Welcome in to the Rush Limbaugh Show.
Good morning.
Merry Christmas to you, and uh you're doing a great job.
Thanks, Justin.
Merry Christmas to you.
Real quick before we have to break here.
I don't understand why all these Hollywood liberals are so against the death penalty um for this gentleman that he's a cold blooded murderer.
Yet they're so pro abortion and they want to kill the most innocent living being on earth, an infant.
Makes no sense.
It's total hypocrisy.
It it is it you're absolutely right.
But the answer is in your in your question the way you ask it, Justin.
They're Hollywood liberals.
What exactly is that anyway?
I th I think they've defined themselves well.
They're against the death penalty, but all for abortion.
Exactly.
I I lost you there, Justin, but I appreciate the call, and we're going to get back to more calls at 1800-282-2882.
That's 1-800-282-2882.
It's the Rush Limbaugh Show.
I'm Paul W. Smith, right back.
Thanks, Johnny Donovan.
It's a pleasure and a privilege to be able to spend this portion of the day with you from Detroit, Michigan.
1-800-282-2882, the number.
We'll talk a little bit later about taking back the Christmas season.
Also, we're welcoming in the chairman and CEO of General Motors, Rick Wagner.
They've been in the news an awful lot, not good news.
And the question is, we know what it means here in the Motor City in Motown, but what's it mean to the rest of the country and for that matter the world, if General Motors is not able to pull out of the problems they have.
Why should we care?
Is the question, I guess I'll be asking.
Rick Wagner coming up.
The uh Los Angeles Times with their editorial says it's not about Tookie, and then it goes on explaining why he shouldn't be put to death.
And at the end it says the population of California's death row now stands at six hundred forty-seven, with the next execution of Clarence Ray Allen scheduled for January seventeenth.
Allen, who is seventy-five years old, blind and confined to a wheelchair, is unlikely to attract the kind of attention that accompanied the debate about Williams.
Why why not?
Uh meanwhile, if the governor feels compelled to issue uh a treatise explaining his decision in that case, he should take the opportunity to address the larger injustice of capital punishment.
Well, anyway, uh of course they don't put in here at all what uh this guy did to be on death row, he just happened to kill three people with a shotgun in nineteen eighty in a San Francisco robbery.
Now the big crime is that he's been sitting there and we've been paying for him since nineteen eighty.
That's the biggest crime now, uh, next to the fact that he killed people and should be therefore put to death.
Uh and and the LA Times is right in this case.
It's not about Tookie.
I'm amazed that they figure that out, and I agree with them not 100%, but 1000%.
It's not about Tookie.
It's about Albert Lewis Owens, who was twenty-six when he was murdered face down on that 7 Eleven store in a hundred twenty dollar robbery by Tookie.
He'd be fifty-two today.
I'm fifty-two.
It's about Csai Shai Yang, who'd be eighty-nine today.
Yen I Yang was seventy-six when he was put to death.
Yi Chen Lin, the daughter of these two folks running a motel, sadly was visiting that day, visiting mom and dad, so he killed her too when she was forty-three.
Today she'd be sixty-nine.
You're right, LA Times.
It's not about Tookie.
It's about the people he killed.
It's about the people who joined the the gangs that he organized and legitimized.
It's about the hundreds of people, maybe thousands, who have been affected by those gangs.
Let's go back to you on the telephone.
1-800-282-2882.
That's 1-800-282-2882.
And uh, well, for goodness sakes, Rob is in Traverse City, Michigan.
Beautiful Traverse City, Michigan, their cherry capital of the world, and uh just a great place to visit.
Uh Rob, nice to have you calling in.
Thank you.
Good afternoon, Paul.
Hi.
I just have to tell you that um I have to respectfully disagree with most of your callers.
And uh when it comes to the death penalty, uh, I just want to say that I think a lot of people make assumptions.
And one of the assumptions is that uh, you know, that criminals are scared to die.
And I think that because you know, most citizens, most people, they don't want to die.
They live a good life, they're honest people, and for them to be put to death would would be incredibly hard.
Um but with the criminal, I think that when you assume that they want, you know, that that's the harshest punishment, I think that that's wrong.
Personally, I think the harshest punishment would be to stay in prison your entire life.
I think that it's an easy way out.
I think it has more to do with maybe revenge than it does with justice.
And I think that justice should be should be the ultimate goal.
Well, i if if they didn't worry about dying, then they wouldn't have tied this thing up in the courts for twenty six years or whatever it's been with appeal after appeal after appeal.
Let me tell you something.
When it gets right down to it, you know it's gonna happen.
Very, very few people want to die.
Very, very few people say, well, okay, I'll just die.
Uh actually, Tukey said if he dies, it's God's will, so he uh at least found peace in that way.
And here's the other point that I don't want you to forget, Rob.
Whether it keeps someone else from committing a crime or not, what we know for sure about capital punishment is that that person won't commit that crime again.
That's what we know for sure, and that's what matters to me.
I certainly appreciate the call.
Rob in Traverse City, what a good place to be.
Let's go to uh Dan, who's in Toronto, and uh let's hear what he has to say here on the Rush Limbaugh Show.
Dan.
Yeah, when I heard the announcement yesterday here on local radio about uh you know Schwarzenegger's decision.
At first, you know, I was all ready to praise him and everything.
This is great, you know, justice, you know, he won't both bow down to the Hollyweird left and whatnot.
And then later on, I don't know if it was late last night or this morning, I I heard his comment on why why he he made the decision he did, and that sort of had to make me throw my hands back up in the air, because Russia's always talking about this.
He says Tukey didn't he wasn't convinced that Tukey was remorseful.
Right.
He said without an apology, the actual quote for those who didn't uh see it.
Uh it's Stanley Williams insists he's innocent and that he will not and should not apologize or otherwise atone for the murders of the four victims in this case.
Without an apology and atonement of these senseless and brutal killings, there can be no redemption.
Based on the cumulative weight of the evidence, there is no reason to second guess the jury's decision of guilt will raise significant doubts or serious reservations about Williams' convictions and death sentence.
Now, that might be copping out a bit.
Well, but we also we also understand, Dan, that this is a guy who's gonna run for reelection and has to get elected in in in California.
Yeah, but it seems like it's missing the point completely.
It's about the justice system and the fact that he was convicted, whether he's had a change of heart, all the power to him.
Uh you know, if he really did come to God, he's in heaven today, all the power to him.
But he's got to pay the penalty for the crimes he's committed on this earth.
Regardless of whether he's remorseful or sorry for it.
That's certainly the way you and I feel.
So that's not that's uh you and I have uh agreement.
I I just wouldn't be too hard on Arnold Schwarzenegger.
He's got a can you imagine being the governor of California?
I d I just was a little bit disappointed.
I'm glad it went the way it did, but it's over at this point.
Yeah.
All right, Dan.
How are things in Toronto, Dan?
Cold.
It's about ten degrees here today.
Okay.
Well we've all got some cold and snowy temperatures.
You're more used to it than we are.
It's a little earlier than normal to be this cold.
Yeah.
It's gonna be a great winter, Dan.
It sure is.
You uh take care.
Jeff is in uh Indiana and uh Jeff is on the Rush Limbaugh show.
I'm Paul W. Smith in for Rush.
We hope Rush is uh back uh with you on your favorite radio station tomorrow.
That's what we're hoping for.
And what's on your mind, Jeff?
Hi, Paul, how you doing?
I'm doing well, hope you're well.
Bear with me, I'm a little nervous.
This is my first time calling in a radio show.
Well, welcome.
Uh just uh curious.
I I haven't heard anybody actually uh spin that redemption factor and and I'm just wondering how anybody can see any form of redemption based on writing a couple books that uh you know, to redeem murder in people, especially innocent people.
Well, I uh the the books don't mean anything to me.
First of all, uh if he hadn't been around for this long, uh he wouldn't have ever gotten around to writing the books.
So I mean that's just that's a gift that he was given.
He had all kinds of other problems early on, uh in jail and in prison, but to to write a book uh or a series of books warning young people against gangs, the very gangs that he organized and legitimized, uh and you know, t to get into a gang, you gotta you gotta commit a crime in front of gang witnesses and there are thousands of gang members, so thousands of crimes and and probably thousands of murders and stuff.
I it doesn't i i it doesn't much matter to me.
His his redemption, his uh his final justice is with uh God, and that's where he is right now.
So uh it's not up for us.
Uh our job is just to enforce the laws and the punishment that goes with those laws while those punishments are still on the books.
Oh, exactly.
And personally, I I mean he's been there twenty years too long, if you ask me.
But of course he has.
I mean it if he's been trying to justify what he has done by what what he has done more recently, and uh I mean, how do you justify murdering people?
I just I just don't see any anything that you could do to redeem or or find redemption for that.
I just don't see it.
I don't understand it uh either, but uh you and I don't think uh like the people who are out there uh or were out there, the fighting for him to uh to live about two thousand death penalty opponents uh standing or sitting uh outside the prison gates.
Thanks uh very much for the call.
We appreciate it as we uh continue.
Jeff from Indiana.
You know, some of the information you you you can't help but look this stuff up when you're gonna do a story like this and and a show like Rush's.
Uh but uh y you look at the nineteen eighties, the Crips heavily involved in a drug trade that they commenced an expansion throughout the United States, they brought in a new drug that no one had really heard about at the time called crack.
Thank you, Cripps.
And as I mentioned, Crip members initiate into the gang by committing a crime in front of gang witnesses.
The initiation process is called locking in, and female members have the option to commit a crime or become sexed in, have sex with several older members.
The fine organization that uh Stanley Tookie Williams started.
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We have time to slip uh Mike in because he's on a cell phone and I don't want it to cost him an arm and a leg.
Mike in California.
Welcome to the Rush Limbaugh Show.
Hello there.
Hello there.
Just a little mental exercise here.
Let's let's just assume that the original judge and jury that convicted him and the three or four appeals were all wrong and that he should have should not have gone to death.
Okay.
Well then why not take that to the next logical conclusion and let's just turn him loose from jail completely.
And then to protect uh him from getting back into a life of crime, we need to relocate him.
So let's find some liberal who doesn't believe in the death penalty and let them adopt him.
Yeah, he should be adopted and uh if not move in with them, move next door.
Next door might be a slight bit better, yes.
Um your argument about uh the executed criminal not committing another crime is one that I have used for years and years.
It is absolutely foolproof, and it frustrates the living daylights out of the liberals because right now I worked eight years in the prison system hurting inmates around on fires.
And the rate of rheticism is somewhere in the eighty-three percent range for felons.
And I don't know the murder rate.
But last week on Tom Sullivan's show here in Sacramento, they talked about eight hundred and fifty-eight thousand people have been murdered since the death penalty was reinstated.
You go to only one percent.
That's still, you know, a thousand people that would not have died, uh, assuming one percent of the criminals that committed that would have been arrested and released to to commit another crime.
And I think that one percent is hugely low.
So it is absolute mathematical fact that the ratio of zero uh murders committed by an executed or any other crime by an executed criminal versus an eighty-three percent revitism, some of which have to be murder.
It's irrefutable.
Michael, we've got to go.
You keep an eye on California for us, will you?
I'm doing my best.
All right, we appreciate it as we continue on the Rush Limbaugh Show in just a moment.
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1-800-282-2882, your direct line To the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies, and we find Joe in Mansfield, Ohio.
Joe, welcome in.
Hi, thank you.
Uh my comment was is uh that people just uh they don't seem to understand that these guys that are that have committed uh murder and they're on death row, they think, well, okay, we can just let them be lock 'em lock 'em up forever and throw away the key, and then they can't kill nobody anymore, but that's not true.
You know, you have uh a correction officer that's working, you know, um taking care of his family, you know, paying taxes, and he's killed by one of these guys.
So it doesn't mean because they're locked up for life that they'll never kill again.
We do have a tendency to like the idea that maybe we sweep them under the carpet and don't think about them, but they're there, and there are people who have to deal with them on a daily basis, and we're paying for them on a daily basis.
And I already know the argument that somebody on death row costs us uh even more than if they were just being held in prison forever.
But be that as it may, uh justice was served in this case, and uh and I appreciate you uh weighing in on this, Joe.
Let's see what Trish in California has to say here on the Rush Limbaugh show.
Hello, Trish.
Hi.
Um, I just had uh a thought here that when I hear about the supporters of Tookie Williams talking about how great his books have been as a deterrent to kids to uh not joining gangs.
I think there should be one last page added to these books stating on December thirteenth, two thousand five, Stanley Tookie Williams was put to death for his crimes.
I think that would be a powerful deterrent.
I think that's a very good point if if he was very concerned about teaching kids not to make mistakes, not to join the very gangs that he uh uh formed that he organized, that he legitimized.
He ought to have the final chapter being one that uh you will pay the ultimate price when you take someone's life, when you break these laws, uh these laws against humanity that uh the final crime in this case uh is paid back with death, and that's what happened to him.
I think you're right.
Uh d now, Trish.
Yes.
Do you think that's gonna happen?
I don't know.
I I I think it would be a great idea.
I think that it ought to get the idea get out there and and maybe just add these, because uh kids have to see that there are consequences to our actions.
Absolutely.
Regardless of how sorry you are for it afterwards, even as we raise our children, our kids still have to pay the consequences, even though they're sorry and they do retribution, they still have to pay the consequences.
Yeah.
Uh I was just now this rush put up with this during the entire show.
Uh I just heard from Kit H. R. Carson, uh, who's been with the show fifteen years.
He just said in my headphones, Trish, maybe in the paperback edition of Tukey's books.
There you are.
Nice to know that they still have a sense of humor all the time back at the uh world headquarters in New York City for the excellence in broadcasting network.
Thanks for your call, Trish.
I do appreciate it.
And some uh final calls on Tukey Williams at 1-800-282-2882 coming up.
1800-282-2882, still to come, taking back Christmas, which is kind of ridiculous that we have to.
There's even a book called The War on Christmas, written by John Gibson.
And uh, General Motors, we know they're in big trouble, but what's it matter to us?
Well, we know what it matters in Detroit.
What about across the rest of these United States and for the world for that matter?
Rick Wagner, the chairman and CEO will join us in a bit.
He happens to be at a lunch at the White House right now for uh Congressman John Dingle, our congressman in this area who has been there for fifty years, and uh President Bush was honoring him at lunch today and uh Rick Wagner's after lunch.
We'll talk to him after that, and talk to you after this.
Well and we're giving uh Louise in Cleveland, Ohio the last bit of our precious time this hour.
Louise, welcome to the Rush Limbaugh Show.
Yes, uh, you had a caller state about something about a lockdown where Tukey Williams' son is.
And perhaps that reinforces my thought that bad behavior is a pattern that often is not changed, and uh unless uh drastic steps are uh taken, police monitored, so to speak.
And at any rate, um that behavior often embraced and reinforced by say Hollywood or these video games and so forth, but maybe indeed the very ones he supposedly changed or was trying to don't change.
Well, I think you're absolutely right, Louise, and uh and you've point out something uh that it would have slipped by.
I didn't know Tookie Williams' son was in another prison elsewhere uh until one of our callers uh informed us.
See, I I I hope you learn a little something from what I'm talking about, and I'm learning a lot from what you guys are talking about.
In just a moment we'll uh continue here on the Rush Limbaugh Show.
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