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Oct. 7, 2005 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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October 7, 2005, Friday, Hour #3
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Altamont, it's great to see that you're still there, that you haven't passed out from whatever it was that was bothering you.
Greetings and welcome back.
Rush Limbaugh, the Excellence in Broadcasting Network, and Friday, you know what that means.
Live from the Southern Command in sunny South Florida, it's open live Friday.
And quite naturally, we're going to be getting your phone calls at some point in this hour.
The telephone number, 800-282-2882, the email address is rush at EIBnet.com.
Okay, Mr. Snurdley, I think I finally figured it.
I've been wondering about this the whole show.
The president's having a press conference with the leader of some other nation.
And the first question is, Mr. President, Mr. President, do you think they overreacted in New York?
This possible subway terrorism threat.
And Bush said, well, we didn't have anything to do with it.
We told them what was going on, and they did it.
What?
Overreact?
Just had a hurricane just of the terrorist attacks around the world?
Overreact?
What is this?
I finally figured it out.
The press thinks Karl Rove phoned in the threat to take the heat off of him and this grand jury stuff that they're also misreporting.
They are reporting that Rove has been summoned to the grand jury, and they are reporting that Rove has been told that it doesn't mean he will not be indicted later on.
They are salivating.
Folks, I haven't mentioned this to you, but this week there have been rumors around Washington, 22 indictments coming from prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald.
Then it was three indictments coming, and they're going to go all the way to the top.
Folks, I'm telling you, they are just convinced that Rove is going to be marched away in handcuffs, that Bush is going to be soon following him, and then Cheney's gone, and Scooter Libby might be president.
I mean, they are just beside themselves.
Let me give you some facts about this.
Carl Rove asked to testify.
He is not a target as it stands now.
But even at this, the AP writes it this way.
In an 11th hour legal maneuver, fraught with risk, Rove struck a deal with prosecutors to testify for a fourth and probably final time in the investigation into the leak of the identity of CIA officer Valerie Plame, whose identity was known by everybody before all this anyway.
I added that last part to make the story true and factual and more complete.
Let me tell you why Rove asked to testify again.
You know what's interesting about it?
You know the timing on this?
He asks to testify after Matt Cooper testifies and then tells everybody what he said.
So that's what's interesting to me.
I don't know what's going to happen in this, but I'm telling you, there's the way people who are experts in this matter, legal experts tell me there's no crime here, that this statute's not been violated.
So something's going on with a cover-up, something going conspiracy, perjury.
But guess who also may be called back to the grand jury?
Judy Miller.
Judy Miller of the New York Times.
But they're all focused on Rove.
But he asked to go back.
And it's fascinating to me that he asked to go back after he heard Cooper go out of the grand jury and go to the microphones and tell everybody what he said.
So I, if I, if I, you know, Folks, as I said yesterday, the liberals and the Democrats are in a caravan of SUVs, and they're heading to the cliff.
And if we don't run in there and put the brakes on and save them, they're going to drive over.
And this is a classic illustration to me of how their eagerness and their desire for a false reality to come true is convincing them that their false reality is the reality.
They've got Rove guilty.
Rove's already guilty.
Bush is probably guilty too.
And Cheney may be.
And of course, everybody in the media, innocent, angelic, guarantors of the Constitution, saviors of the American way of life.
These evil guys led by Rove, yeah, we're going to be marching them out in stripes.
And I'm going to find out what torture's really like, because then we'll be in favor of it to get whatever we have to get out of Rove.
And I just would, as a case with every legal matter, folks, believe none of what you hear in the press about it.
Before the prosecutors charged anybody, before the prosecutors said he's not even sure he's going to have charges yet.
Grand jury ends on October 28th.
Hasn't made any charging decisions.
That's what the prosecutor said.
But these rumors all week, why there were 22 indictments going to be handed down next week.
That was until the prosecutor came.
I haven't made any charging decisions.
I'm still talking to people.
There may be nothing.
But the salivation here is the salivating that they're going through.
And by the way, there's no talking them out of this.
You know, you people get angry that I advise them on what to do to save them.
And you're afraid they're going to listen?
They're not going to listen.
They have no design.
In fact, where's this?
What did I do with this stack?
Carville, I've got something about Carville.
Yes, here it is.
This is from the Daily Northwestern.
I would assume that that's the newspaper at Northwestern University, the journalism student newspaper.
Yes, it is.
The problem with Democrat campaign speeches is litany, and they need more narratives like Winnie the Pooh stories, said James Carville.
At a speech sponsored by the Northwestern College Democrats last night, Carville told the audience that Democratic candidates cannot succeed by shouting out to every group in a crowd.
Instead, the candidates ought to tell stories with the three elements of any good story, set up, conflict, and resolution.
No kumbaya crap, he said.
College Democrats brought Carville to speak in conn auditorium with funds from the $60,000 allotted by the Student Activities Finance Board for the group's false speakers.
Jenna Carls, the president of College Democrats, said the group deciding to bring Carville after polling about 50 students in the spring.
Carville focused on what Democrats need to do to reclaim the presidency.
The vocal impressions of President George W. Bush and former presidential candidate John Kerry and Carville's bouts of shouting in his southern accent had the audience alternatively giggling and freezing in silence.
He says if you're incompetent in campaigns, you don't have a chance to be competent in government.
He said, using, now that's a really important insight because that's how Clinton campaign governed.
His governance was a constant, never-ending campaign, which was one of the reasons the press liked it.
It's actually possible to be wise, right, and strong.
Carville added, no one in Washington likes anyone who is right too often.
I could add something else.
I don't know if he said this in the speech, but extremism does not win elections, and that's all the Democrats are.
They're wacko-kook fringe extremists and activists now, and they don't know the first thing about a campaign.
And that's really what he's talking about.
He's just shouting out, trying to get every group to be heard and accommodated and so forth.
But my point in all this is you've got Carville now out there talking to college kids, telling the Democrats what they have to do, meaning there's nobody there that knows.
And so the idea that we can save them by giving them the right advice because they're going to listen is irrelevant.
It isn't going to happen.
They're too far gone.
And this Rove story is just one of the most recent illustrations of it.
Also, I think the delay story is too.
If this were about anybody else, the reporting on this would probably be very accurate.
We'd get reporting on this prosecutor being off his rocker.
We'd have political ties to Democrats in this story.
Since it's delay, and we've got to get rid of delay, we got to criminalize these Republicans.
We can't beat them at the ballot box.
So Rove's a criminal and delay's a criminal.
Bush is a criminal.
Bush is a murderer, and Cheney is, too.
He's a criminal for what he says about Wrangell.
Can you believe that story?
The press is still treating Cheney as the bad guy in that story.
He ought to be bigger than to take the bait from Charlie Wrangell.
Just be a bait.
They actually went out.
Get this.
Some idiot.
What was it?
It was the AP went out and talked Miss Manners.
Mr. Manners.
Oh, there's a Mr. Manners.
What did Ms. Manners have a child 50 years ago?
Okay, so Miss Manners had a child.
He's grown up to be Mr. Manners, and AP found the guy.
Nobody's ever heard of him, but the AP found him.
Mr. Manners, or have people heard of Mr. Manners?
And I just, I've never heard him.
Okay, I've never heard of Mr. Manners.
They found him.
They found Mr. Manners, and they went out and talked to Mr. Manners.
Who the hell is he?
Why should we be listening to Mr. Lantern?
When's the last time the press went to Ms. Manners or Mr. Manners to ask about anything going on in politics?
Because there have been plenty of things that you could ask a manners expert about regarding Democrat behavior, liberal behavior.
But now all of a sudden, they go find Mr. Manners, and Mr. Manners is saying, well, Dick Cheney needs to be bigger than this.
Not take the bait.
Rise above it.
Folks, it's Twilight Zone.
It's parallel universe.
It's alternative reality.
It's hard to take it seriously because you can't immerse yourself in it.
I can't anyway.
But in this delay story, you've got a prosecutor out there who's had a film crew following him around as a messiah for getting the money out of politics.
He's not a political hack.
Oh, no, no.
He really understands the problem of money in politics.
Really, does he?
Tom DeLay said yesterday, you know, it's very interesting that he has this crusade against corporate money.
He took corporate money.
He's taken union funds for his own reelection.
That's against the law, DeLay told the Washington Times yesterday.
A review of Ronnie Earl's campaign finance filings in Texas shows that he has received contributions from the AFL-CIO, including a $250 donation on August 29th of 2000.
He also has received contributions listed on the disclosure forms only as coming from the name of an incorporated entity, often a law firm.
Mr. Earl has said repeatedly that state law bars corporate and union contributions.
Attempts to reach Mr. Earl yesterday for comment, including a phone message left on his assistant's voicemail detailing Delay's charge, were unsuccessful.
Let's not forget that Ronnie Earle has accepted corporate donations to pet causes of his from companies he's indicted, and he's dismissed the charges if they've given the money.
He's extorted them.
You won't find this in any telling of this story in the mainstream press.
So they got Delay convicted.
They hope they're going to get Rove convicted.
And in the meantime, they're reporting both of these stories the same way they reported things out of New Orleans.
Rumors, unsubstantiated, amplified by others, combined with hopes and dreams.
That is the definition of how you do news today if you're a lib.
We'll be back.
Stay with us.
Okay, Open Line Friday rolls on.
This is Adam, a cell phone from Howard Beach in New York.
They're still beating people up in Howard Beach.
I haven't been there in a while.
Can you hear me?
Yeah, yeah, I do.
Great.
So, yes, I was calling because you had recently told the caller that nothing in Washington is permanent except for Social Security.
And I was just curious if that meant.
Have you given up on Social Security reform?
Oh, no, I was simply, I've made the point in other ways.
For example, you're right.
I should have put this in context.
We're now being told that a shuttle is obsolete.
It doesn't work anymore.
It's too dangerous.
You've got to get rid of it.
You've got to redesign it and so forth.
Oh, okay.
So we get rid of the shuttle program.
And we're constantly told we have to modernize various other government programs and make them relevant to current society.
But when you start talking about modernizing Social Security, it's a 70-year-old program that's, you know, in obvious trouble.
Oh, no, no, you can't mess with that.
Why?
Why?
Well, that's FDR's legacy.
No, so I was only saying that the one thing in Washington that never changed is Social Security, but it will.
Now, I think it's these changes have been delayed.
The reason I say it's going to change at some point that's going to reform isn't because it's going to have to.
It simply can't survive the way it is.
And that's the administration, I think on reflection, some people think they missold it.
They made a mistake in selling it as ownership rather than security.
That people look at Social Security as security.
It's there for retirement.
And the administration was selling it as this is your account.
You're going to own this.
This is under your control.
A lot of people are afraid of ownership.
A lot of people are afraid of assets because they hear stories of people losing everything.
But security means security.
So I think when they come back, if Bush does before his second term expires, there'll be a different manner of approach on this.
But you've got, I mean, one of the things, when I was driving to the National Review 50th anniversary bash last night, my driver, Ralph, was pointing out various locations in Washington.
There's the Jefferson Memorial.
I said, really, Ralph?
He didn't say that.
But he did point out the AARP.
He does.
He gives me sightseeing tours.
We go through there, and he's pointing out there's the AARP building.
Oh, yeah, the AARP.
Folks, when you go to Washington, it is striking.
The minute, the minute you get inside the Beltway and frankly, in the district itself, you just cannot help but have a different attitude about the place when you're there than when you're not.
For example, when he pointed out to me, there's the AARP building.
Well, what he was pointing out to me was there is a branch office of the Democrat National Committee.
And then over there is that building.
And over there, and every one of those buildings' job is to spend money.
Every building's job is to spend money.
And I've not seen the Teachers Union Palace, but that's another branch office of the Democratic Party.
And their job is to raise money and spend money.
And then you've got the government buildings that do the same thing.
And then you realize what we're up against.
The whole town is oriented towards spending money.
And it's not until you drive into it, does this, there's the treasury building.
You don't see a building where they sit around and think about how they can do with less.
It's not there.
It just, it boggles the mind.
Rich Lowry, the editor of National Review, told an interesting story last night about how he could never be a politician and how he wouldn't want to be.
And I'm telling you earlier, politicians took a big hit last night, jokingly.
He said he was in an elevator in his apartment building in New York, and it's rare when you run into a fellow conservative in New York.
And he ran into a fellow conservative, a woman in his building in the elevator.
And she asked what he did.
She said, I'm the editor of National Review.
Oh, I've heard of that.
That's a conservative magazine.
They started discussing conservative policies.
They found they had unilateral agreement on everything.
Then she said, what about rent control?
Well, Lowry doesn't believe in rent control.
No socialist does, but this woman had a rent control apartment.
He said, well, I'll tell you what, I'm for rent control.
Of course, she would be.
It's giving her an apartment for one-tenth the price of what it would cost if it weren't controlled.
And she was asking Lowry all these questions.
And Lowry said, well, while talking to her face to face, he didn't sit there and tell her what he thought of rent control.
He tried to appease her.
And then he pointed out, look at me, I'm not even elected yet and I've already sold out.
And that's exactly right.
You have all these principal beliefs.
You go to that town and then you talk to a constituent who has one pet issue that's not on the list of approved issues or whatever.
And when you're talking to that political, what?
What?
I don't know what she looked like.
Snerdley, for crying out.
Snerdley's trying to tell me that if she were attractive, or that if she were not attractive, that he wouldn't have sold out.
So you're saying she had to be attractive.
And that's why he sold out.
Okay, well, every staff needs a closet sexist and Snerdley's ours.
But still, the point is well made.
Look at how quickly he caved and he's not even elected.
Even though he's totally opposed to rent control, but he didn't want to get into it with her.
So he ran and gave her the impression that he didn't think as badly of it as he actually does.
So anyway, you go into that town, getting things to change there, folks, it just, don't go.
It'll depress you.
That's why I don't go.
Go there when you have to and get out as fast as you can.
You're listening to Rush Limbaugh on the Excellence in Podcasting Network.
Welcome back, Open Line Friday.
You hear what Ted Kennedy said about Bush's speech, his Iraq speech.
You know, you're giddier than I am.
And how much sleep did you get last night?
You got a lot.
You got five?
Okay, I got.
It is a great bumper.
It is a great bumper, but nobody told me about it.
I guess it doesn't matter.
Who am I?
All right.
The president's speech was immediately denounced by Democrats.
Senator Edward Kennedy of Chappaquittick said it was foolish for the president.
It says it's foolish for the president to brag openly about disrupting al-Qaeda plots to attack us.
His bring-it-on attitude hasn't worked, and such statements can only goad al-Qaeda into trying harder.
For crying out loud.
Yeah, they're going to really try extra hard now.
Yeah.
See, this is the old, this is the old liberal appeasement.
Don't make them mad.
Just say, I've just watched this for all these years of the Cold War.
Don't make the Russians mad.
Don't call them the evil empire.
Why, that's why these people cannot learn from history.
And was Bush bragging anywhere?
Was he reporting?
Who else?
Senator Kerry said there's nothing pessimistic about demanding our government do better by our troops, and there's nothing more pessimistic than an administration refusing to provide candor and leadership equal to our troops' sacrifice.
But you know, I've looked for a lot of stories here, and I can't find out what Hillary thought of the speech.
And who's the presumptive not?
Ted Kennedy's not running for anything.
John Kerry thinks he is, but he's in for a surprise.
But the presumed frontrunner, I mean, normally the press would be making tracks to her door.
Mrs. Clinton, why would you think about this speech?
Have you seen anything on what she thought of it?
Haven't seen a word out there.
Many U.S. households will face a near doubling of home heating costs this winter because of severe disruptions in the Gulf of Mexico's supplies of natural gas and home heating oil, say energy analysts.
Gary Caruso, head of the energy information.
And by the way, I have no sympathy for you people whose prices are going to double.
If you are a liberal Democrat, I've got no sympathy for you at all.
You ought to be paying more because you've been helping support policies that lead to this.
You support these environmentalist wackos.
We can't drill for more oil.
We can't ship oil in certain places.
We can't drill for it in Anwar.
We can't drill for it in the Gulf.
So we're going to be naturally susceptible to all these different market forces like interruptions of supply and distribution because of the hurricane.
And then we sit around.
Let me tell you who to blame.
Greenpeace, Sierra Club, and all these other environmentalist wacko organizations.
Don't blame the energy companies.
Don't fall for that trick.
Really?
I think it's about time you people who get all upset about energy prices start paying your fair share because you're contributing to it.
Move somewhere like I did.
You don't need heating oil or natural gas because you don't need heat.
Move to Florida and you won't ever have to worry about heating oil again.
Oh, I can't do that.
I got to stay in this little dump in the Northeast with all my liberal buddies because that's all we know.
What?
What?
They're already, they're not going to come down here, Snerdley.
I'm not worried about they're not going to come down here precisely because I'm challenging them to.
They're going to sit there and be martyrs.
They're going to sit there and wail and moan until the federal government comes up with some subsidy to handle the new costs of higher costs of home heating oil.
What kind of an antique house uses home heating oil anyway?
Modernize.
This is 2005.
Home heating oil.
What?
Well, and how old is your mother, Mr. Snerdley?
All right.
It's okay.
She's in her 70s.
That's all she's known.
You could have her live down here with you, but look at you.
You're going to have her sit up there.
You're going to be paying for these increases.
Right.
She's paying for the increase.
But I'm sorry, folks.
I reach a breaking point where I hear all these wailing and moaning stories about all these energy prices going up.
When that's what the left has been pleading for and demanding anyway all these years, it ought to be a cause for celebration.
The left ought to be saying what I'm saying.
You turn your thermostat down, wear a sweater, go out and get some long underwear and sleep in that.
That's what would make this country great.
We need a more pristine lifestyle.
We need to go back to the good old days.
You know, it's just, yeah, I mean, I'm not surprised that home heating oil and natural gas are going up in some parts of the country.
Market forces tell me that that's exactly what's going to happen.
Here, as of yesterday, 13 refineries that produce 750,000 barrels a day of distillate fuels remain closed.
Well, I'm sorry, 750,000 barrels a day out of the refining process, and you're going to blame the oil companies for gouging you.
It wouldn't happen if we'd have been able to build a refinery in the last 30 years.
It wouldn't have happened if we had our own supplies of oil that weren't dependent totally on Gulf rigs and locations.
Oh, no, we can't do that.
Why?
Might disturb the seals or the caribou or somebody in the Redneck Riviera might not want to look at the oil deck that's 30 miles offshore.
Redneck Riviera, a term of endearment, Chris Matthews told me.
Oh, I forgot Chris Matthews was there last night.
He was.
Somebody asked me if there's another Democrat.
Matthews was there.
And after the event, when I'm posing, Matthews, and he's a very tall man, he walked up and I saw him out of the corner of my eye.
So he waited until there was room in the crowd.
He broke through and said hello.
And I grabbed his hand and kissed it.
Kissed his hand.
I said, how you doing, buddy?
It was fun.
Ron in Surprise, Arizona.
Welcome to the program.
Hey, Rush.
13 years I've been trying to get in.
I finally figured out the formula, I think.
Congratulations.
I'm glad.
It's good to hear from you.
I'm glad you made it.
I have an excuse, though.
I think I drove through Rio Linda once.
Well, no, one time won't do it.
Stopping, that's the risk.
Oh, is that it?
I don't think I stopped.
Hey, listen, I just want to thank you.
I've been listening for 13 years.
And in the beginning, you got me right away because I thought, wow, who is this guy?
He's saying stuff that I've been thinking for years.
But over the years, you've kept it fresh.
You got to stay on your toes because you're always throwing that limba humor in there.
You got to sort out when you're serious and when you're not.
So I love it, man.
It's great entertainment, but you do make the complex understandable.
Well, thank you.
I appreciate that, Ron.
Thanks so much.
You know, one of the a lot of people have said to me, Rush, you know, you really interview people sometimes.
When you do that, it sounds good.
Why don't you do it more often?
Can I give you the biggest programming reason?
Let's say, give me a guest name.
Give me a prominent politician a guest name that's always interviewed on TV.
All right.
Give me that guest name.
Just pick one.
Doesn't matter who it is.
Doesn't matter.
Okay, so McCain.
All right, let's say that I have guests, and McCain is going to come on this show once or twice a month or three times.
Haven't you heard that before?
You see McCain as a guest on somebody's show, you know what you're going to get.
It's predictable.
So what's the big deal?
When you become guest reliant, you immediately become predictable and you're turning over to the guests the actual responsibility of generating and holding your audience.
I'm not going to take that risk because I know that no guest cares as much about this show's success as I do.
Plus, I know more than most of the guests I could have on this program.
This is funny.
It's not easy.
It's from the Inside the Beltway, The Washington Times.
It's not easy being the master of ceremonies for a roast when half of the roaster don't show up.
Ask political commentator Mark Maxie Shields, who found himself in that uncomfortable position Wednesday evening at the Spina Bifida Association, and they attempted to put TV personality Barbara Walters in the hot seat at the Hyatt Regency in Washington.
But Mary Landrew and Hillary Renton, Clinton, who were fellow roasters, didn't show.
Hillary and Mary Landryw did not show up.
The two remaining roasters, Under Secretary of State for Public Diplomacy Karen Hughes, and ABC Newsman Sam Donaldson, went easy on Mrs. Walters, while last-second stand-in Mary Madeline, who was in the audience as Mrs. Hughes' guest, tried to read from Mrs. Landrew's prepared remarks.
I guess she had to make them up because there weren't any.
So, I mean, that's Hillary and Landry stiffed Barbara Walters at her Spina Bifida roast.
This is a Democratic frontrunner.
And of course, a woman who wants $250 billion for her state.
And this is also from the same story.
If you think it's bad enough that the IRS collects your hard-earned tax dollars, imagine if an IRS agent prepared your income tax returns, too.
The concept is called return-free, where the IRS automatically prepares income tax returns of those taxpayers with the simplest returns and then sends you a bill.
This is being considered by the president's advisory panel on tax reform.
Mike Pence, great guy, good conservative, Indiana, Republican Study Committee Chairman, said it creates a conflict of interest by making a tax collector the tax preparer.
The real risk is, folks, what was the latest statistics that most of the people at an IRA, nine out of ten times or seven out of ten times, you get the wrong answer when you call them for help on your return anyway?
Would the IRS prepare your return?
But only the simple returns.
But see, that starts the starts the process.
A quick timeout.
We will be back and resume with phone calls right after this.
That's it.
That's it.
Thank you.
Welcome back to the EIB Network and gentry in Atlanta.
You're next.
Welcome to the program, sir.
Hey, Rush.
Salutations from the state of your mistress.
Well, I've many mistresses in many states.
Oh, well, you mentioned Georgia yesterday, so.
Well, Loxahatchee today, North Carolina the other day.
They're all over.
You're busy, I know.
I believe that Carl Rose's in trouble because I think he's having to give testimony today to straighten out testimony he gave prior to the grand jury.
This is his fourth trip.
Is he going in today?
Yeah, he went today, from what I understand.
Today?
Okay.
Well, is there any other possibility?
Is there any other possibility why Karl Rove might have requested another session with the grand jury?
Well, not that I can.
Well.
Let me pose one to you.
I don't know.
May I ask you this?
How long would FDR have kept around his top political advisor if he'd have been accused of outing a CIA agent?
I couldn't tell you I wasn't alive during FDR, but I now you're starting to betray yourself here, little gentry.
So you have to betray myself.
Yeah, but you're indicating a bias here in a legal circumstance based on what you think Bush ought to do.
Just here is, There's no charge yet.
There's no indictment.
There's no allegation.
It's all just in the media.
Well, we've already known what Bush has said.
He would betray what he said earlier.
He said if anyone's involved in this, they'd be canned.
Now he's changed it to anyone involved in this who committed a crime.
That was always the same thing.
No, no, no.
Let me tell you.
Yes, it is because that first report.
We've gone back and looked at this.
Coco put this on the website again.
tonight as I'm telling you that first quote of Bush's is it typical of what the press does earlier in his statement.
He had mentioned criminal activity.
If somebody's found to be guilty or found to be involved in criminal activity, then the following, when he says it again, if somebody's involved in this, they're out.
They have forgotten the first segment of what he said, taken the second segment.
It says exactly what happened to Bill Bennett last week.
And they're applying it to Bush.
Bush has always meant that there had to be some criminal indictment or accusation, and there's none.
Now, the reason I asked you the question, could there be any other reason why Karl Rove would have requested a fourth appearance before the grand jury?
Well, yeah, there could be plenty of them.
Because since Karl Rove's last trip to the grand jury, others have gone in and they've come out and they've told people what they said.
Rove never has.
Now, what if Rove is hearing some people who are coming out and telling a story of their involvement with him that's not true?
That's just as likely based on what we know as your interpretation.
Your interpretation is that Rove thinks now that he's been caught.
So he wants to go in and try to limit the damage.
On what basis?
You have no knowledge.
You're relying totally on what media analysts of this, who are steeped in hope and prayer, are telling you about it.
It could well be that Karl Rove's going to go in there and nail some people to the wall.
Just as equally, I would be very careful about this, gentry.
You mean when I said you betrayed yourself, because what you've shown me is your whole point here is you think you want to get rid of Rove, and you probably don't even know why.
So he's a presidential advisor.
Yippee.
He's successful at beating you guys.
So let's make a criminal out of him.
Yep, let's do that.
Let's just assume he's a criminal because he works for Bush and he's a Republican and is a conservative.
Yep, let's do that.
And there's a grand jury investigation going.
And we hear about all these rumors, 22 indictments, three indictments going to reach all the way to the top.
We don't know diddly squat.
And I am telling you, I have personal experience with this.
Do not believe what you see in the media about ongoing criminal investigations from sources close to the investigation.
They lie.
The media misinterprets all kinds of things.
Listen to the prosecutor when the indictments, if there are any, are handed down, and then you will know.
Otherwise, you're running a risk of looking like a fool.
We'll be back after this.
Stay with us.
All right.
Folks, I forgot to add something for you.
Taxpayers are going to let the IRS prepare your return for you.
If this part of a new panel on tax reform, federal tax reform, they are.
IRS is, if this happens, the IRS will prepare your tax return for you, the simplest returns first.
However, if your return contains an error that the IRS fills out, you still pay the fine.
Now, folks, what is in it for them to get it right in the first place?
Have a wonderful weekend.
As we all ponder the IRS, see you on Monday.
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