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Aug. 22, 2005 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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August 22, 2005, Monday, Hour #2
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All right, in the last hour, went through some of the everything's 180 degree out of phase.
And if you're just joining us, I want to tell you, I'm running into people all over the place on my side of the aisle.
Rush, I'm getting nervous about this Iraq business.
I don't think we're winning.
We're getting bogged down.
We got to get out of there.
And these are people getting nervous about a number of things.
And, of course, I'm an eternal optimist, and I don't think it's going nearly as badly as the mainstream press and the left in this country want you to believe it is.
As I said last hour, the terrorists are not succeeding much in Iraq.
They haven't stopped any of the political processes that are underway.
They're not going to stop the Constitution.
In fact, I just saw that update on the Constitution.
The Constitution does not say that Islam will be the law of the land.
It will be one of the laws of the land.
It's working out.
The elections took place.
Sovereignty took place.
The insurgency has no superpower ally.
The insurgency is not a nationalistic movement.
It has no comparison to Vietnam whatsoever.
Sunnis are now registering to vote.
They were the ones that refused to play ball when the first elections came around.
They're now saying, oh, oh, we got to get in on this if we're going to have any power at all.
This is a democratic process unfolding before our very eyes.
It is working.
The terrorists' biggest success is in America.
The terrorists are having more success with the American media and the American left than they are having with the U.S. military in Iraq itself.
Now, don't fall prey to this defeatism, folks, because even if you are wavering, even if you are on the side that originally supported this and you've been holding out hope, you just ask yourself one question.
What's the alternative?
We can't pull out now like Senator Hegel wants and some others.
Regardless whether you agree with the reasons we're there and went there, you can't pull out now.
It would be devastating to lose this.
What do you think the outcome of that would be?
Are you going to feel safer with the American left running this country?
You want national security turned over to the American left?
There are reasons to stay positive and bucked up and committed to this.
And, you know, don't get all weak-kneed and wobbly here like Margaret Thatcher told George Bush 41 as he was heading into Iraq.
Don't get all weak-kneed, George.
George, don't get weak-kneed and knobbly.
And I'll tell you, the dirty little secret here is that whatever Bush's numbers on Iraq are, the Democrats' numbers are worse.
The Democrat numbers are lower.
There is not unity on the Democrat side.
There is a huge fight brewing out there on the Democrat side among the kook left-wing fringe base and what I would call the Washington, D.C. Democrat culture.
And that fringe base is mad as hell that not one elected official will go down to that Crawford Woodstock and join hands and sing kumbaya with well-known communist sympathizer Joan Baez and whoever's taking over for Cindy Sheehan.
They're mad as they can be about it.
And they're plotting their revenge against the Democrats and the Democrat Leadership Council, the Democrat National Committee.
I have two news stories here.
I want to now go into depth to illustrate to you that, and you don't, you don't, of course, in the mainstream press on television, you don't see the reports of friction in the Democrat Party.
They are portrayed as unified constants.
They're unified on Roberts.
They're unified in Iraq.
They're unified every, it's the Republicans falling apart.
They'll look at McCain.
They'll look at Hegel, and they'll look at him falling out.
And they'll say, ooh, big problems on the Republican side.
Well, not the case.
The frustration is being echoed in print.
Los Angeles Times and Washington Post, Ronald Brownstein, an analysis piece today in the L.A. Times.
Headline, political leaders' silence on Iraq war is a dereliction of duty.
Political leaders' silence on the Iraq war?
What silence?
What silence?
There has been a debate on the Iraq war since before we went to Iraq.
The left has not shut up about it.
Certain factions of the left are trying to impeach Bush or suggest that we should.
Weapons of mass destruction, Downing Street memo, what have you.
The idea that there is no debate and that we'll finally, if the Democrats get their act in gear, we'll finally debate the Iraq war.
Listen to his open here.
Cindy Sheehan, the mother of a slain soldier who has been camping outside President Bush's Texas ranch, is an impassioned witness, but an imperfect messenger.
Her leftist foreign policy agenda is as unlikely to draw majority support as the militant unilateralism of the hardcore neocons.
But Sheehan will have done the nation a service if she inspires or shames both parties to resume debate over the direction of the Iraq war.
Resume debate, Ron.
It never stopped.
The debate on the Iraq war has never stopped.
You know what's upsetting Ron Brownstein?
What's upsetting Ron Brownstein?
His side's not winning this.
What's upsetting Ron Brownstein is that Sheehan has failed, that the Jersey girls failed, that Richard Clark failed, that the Bill Burkett forged documents failed.
They have all failed to unseat Bush.
They have all failed to force Bush to get us out of Iraq.
They have all failed.
They may think they've succeeded in bringing Bush's numbers down, but look what they've done to their own in the process.
Their own numbers are even worse than Bush's are.
Not only on the war in Iraq, the war on terror, but on a number of things, particularly domestic and cultural issues.
The Democrats are so low that when they look up, they see the gutter.
They've got no place to go but up.
That's how low they are.
And that's what I think is frustrating Mr. Brownstein.
The Libs debate the war 24-7.
Brownstein says in the next page, but most Republicans have chosen to fall in line behind the White House.
And that's where they're going to stay because they believe in the policy, Mr. Brownstein.
They believe in what we're trying to do.
You've got some recalcitrants out there like Hegel and occasionally, I don't know who else that they're out there.
But in fact, you know, talking about Hegel's timing, wasn't it just last week or two weeks ago that Zawahiri, Al-Azawahiri, showed up, that new video, that propaganda video, that somehow Al Jazeera got, then the American media got it.
What do you know, worldwide propaganda for Osama bin Laden's number two?
And they marveled at his freshly crisp and pressed shirt and how white it was.
It wasn't soiled.
It wasn't dirty.
He must be in air conditioning and his cap or his headdress or whatever it was, brand new and black.
And he had some kind of a huge AK-47 behind.
This man is serious and so forth.
What did he say?
He accused us of getting bogged down in Iraq the same way we did in Vietnam.
And lo and behold, here comes Chuck Hegel, echoing the sentiments of a terrorist leader from al-Qaeda.
It makes no political sense whatsoever, because there are no similarities whatsoever.
And if you missed my going through that in the previous hour, it'd be well worth your time to visit my website late this afternoon.
We update it to look at those concerns.
Another political calculation, Brownstein writes, has encouraged Democrats to stay low.
That's because they're wrong, Mr. Brownstein.
Look at what happens when they speak up.
Can I give you the name Paul Hackett?
Paul Hackett tries to hide his liberalism behind a military uniform, just as did John Kerry.
And while he's out running around in the nation saying things, he's trying to act like, well, he's satisfying all the left.
He's ripping Bush.
Bush is an SOB.
Bush is the biggest terrorist in the world.
Look what it got him.
Then he goes back to campaign in a district, number two in Ohio.
He doesn't say any of that.
He tries to pass himself off on TV, ads as Bush's biggest supporter, Bush's biggest friend.
He loses by four points.
It's so bad for the Democrats, they call it a victory.
And they say no seat in the House is safe anymore because Republicans can get within four points.
It's cockamaming.
These people are losing.
They got themselves convinced they're winning.
Brownstein is upset because the Republicans aren't defecting and the Democrats aren't criticizing Iraq.
I don't know what he's paying attention to.
You go to the Washington Post.
Peter Baker.
Democrats split over position on Iraq war.
Activists more vocal as leaders decline to challenge Bush.
Here we go again.
Coordinated L.A. Times, Washington Post, same story, different twists.
Basically what we have here, the activists are being ignored.
These great Americans, these great patriotic squatters, listening to Joan Baez sing the night they drove old Dixie down.
Preparing to watch Sean Penn report from Iraq, sitting down there now with, what do these people do for a living?
How many of you can take a week or two off or whatever, hang around a ditch?
Where do these people, where does their, first question I always ask, what do they do for a living?
Where do they get their money?
Donations, folks.
Donations.
They're gladhandlers.
They're glorified beggars.
They're down there raising money during all of this.
At one point I saw today, Sheehan's website was getting $25,000 a day.
Now you have a bunch of caterers down there and Joan Baez out there strumming out the tunes.
But the Washington politicians are not joining them down there, and this is upsetting.
The Washington politicians want no part of Cindy Sheehan or that bunch of squatters down there want no part of it.
Why is that?
These are the people that have to get re-elected, folks.
Now, listen to me on this.
We all know that there are polls out there, and we all know that politicians have their own internal polls.
If not one Democrat, especially how about the presidential candidates, where's Hillary?
Where's Evan Bay?
Where's Mark Warner?
Where's John Kerry?
Where are these people?
You would think that if that was the winning side, they would be fighting and jockeying for position down in Crawford, but they're nowhere near it.
And of course, the press, desperately wanting to get rid of Bush, desperately wanting Bush out of office, desperately wanting this war lost by America, looks at this great opportunity, the fifth or sixth that's come along from the National Guard to Bill Burkett to the Jersey girls to the 9-11 hearings to Richard Clark, and they see failure.
Bush is still there.
We're still in Iraq.
We're still prosecuting the policy.
They're pulling their hair out.
Finally, they're running out of their own emotion.
They thought they had it in Sheehan.
They thought they had what was going to be a unifying force of Democratic Party.
And yet, not one Democrat who wants to be elected, the dog catcher will go down there and join Hans and sing Kumbaya and the night they drove old Dixie down with Joan Baez, well-known communist sympathizer.
Why is that?
Well, they do their own polls.
They must know that ain't the way to go if you want to get re-elected in this country.
Ever heard of the Red States?
You know what?
The Texans, Texans are very patient people.
But the Texans, Texans, real Texans, are not the people in that ditch down there.
Real Texans are putting on their camouflage gear and getting ready to go out there and go hunting.
You know, hunting season is coming up.
At some point, real Texans are going to get fed up with what's going on down there.
It's going to get real fun to watch.
If you get my drift.
But in the meantime, the Washington Post, Daily Times, just distressed as hell.
Where are the guts and the Democrats?
Where are these gutless Democrats?
Why don't they stand up?
Why don't they join these left-wingers and these fringe kooks and join in the condemnation of Bush and the Iraq policy?
Democrats say, a long-standing rift in the party over the Iraq war has grown increasingly raw in recent days.
As stay-the-course elected leaders who voted for the war three years ago confront rising impatience from activists and kooks and strategists who want to challenge president Bush aggressively to bring the troops home.
Amid rising casualties and falling public support for the war, Democrats of all stripes have grown more vocal this summer in criticizing Bush.
A growing chorus of Democrats however, has said this criticism should be harnessed to a consistent message and alternative policy, something most Democrat lawmakers have refused to offer.
Senate Democrats, according to Age, convened a private meeting in late june to develop a cohesive stance on the war and debated every option, only to break up with no consensus.
They can't even come to an agreement on the policy amongst themselves in Washington, not to mention the kooks.
So my point is folks, that while the Republicans and Bush are being portrayed as taking a country down the wrong road and the American people are fed up with it and wanting action, the Democratic party is falling apart.
We'll be back after this, and i've been telling you this for I don't know how many years now, and there's nothing that's changed it.
Back after this.
Stay with us, hey.
Quick question, folks, how long ago was it?
Was it back in uh, february, march?
All these Democrat columnists and Democrats yeah, maybe we were wrong about the Iraq war right after the elections in january, january 30th.
Remember that.
Remember that I can see what this is.
All these, these people couldn't stay tied down to a policy, even one of their own, if their lives depended on it.
And try this just another rush.
See, I told you so.
This is from the Peter Baker story in the Washington POST.
The internal disarray, according to many Democrats, reflects more than a near-term tactical debate.
Some say it reveals a fundamental identity crisis in the Post-september 11th world for a party that struggled to move beyond the anti-war legacy of the 60s and 70s to reinvent itself as tougher on national security in the 90s.
Well, that's exactly what they haven't done this.
They're still stuck back in the 60s and 70s because that's their glory days, and they're trying to remake everything that happens in foreign policy Iraq, for example into another Vietnam.
Now you'll be wondering, how rush?
How can you say Bush's approval ratings are down?
The Democrats are worse.
Well, that's right.
Here in the Washington POST story.
Still, the Democrat discord has provided solace for Bush advisors at a difficult time.
Although Bush's approval ratings have sunk, the Democrats have gained no ground at his expense.
In a Washington POST, A BC NEWS poll, just 42 percent of Americans approved to congressional Democrats, a figure even lower than Bushes.
Rest my case.
Now, show you how bad it is.
Remember, moveon.org and the leader out there sending Howard Dean a letter at the Democratic National Committee.
You guys don't stop your association with all these K-Street Democrat lobbying firms and get yourself extricated from the Washington culture.
We're going to take over the party.
This party is ours now, said moveon.org.
Well, there's this wacko liberal website out there that apparently is one of the leading fringe kook lib websites, daily cost, chaos, cost.
Is it chaos?
Is it whatever they call it?
What do they call it?
The cause.
Well, whatever.
This guy who runs it is a funny little guy.
He's a wacko of the first order.
But he has great credibility with the Kook Fringe.
And this guy has a secret plan.
He has a secret plan to destroy the Democrat Leadership Council.
He says we need to make the Democrat Leadership Council retroactive, radioactive, and we will.
With everybody's help, we really can.
So he's got this secret plan here.
And he's going to launch it in two weeks.
Won't tell anybody what it is, but he's going to launch it in two weeks to destroy the Democrat Leadership Council because they came out the other day and claimed that their new agenda, and Hillary went up there and supported it.
And it's pretty mainstream, almost conservative in a lot of places.
And these Kook Fringe Democrats either really think they're running the party now and they're fed up.
So all this talk about Bush is plummeting and Bush's support is waning, folks.
It may be bad for Bush, but it is 10 times worse for the Democrats.
They are just wandering aimlessly out there.
They're in a sailboat without a sail and a sailboat without a rudder.
They are just, they're totally held prisoner here to the currents, and the currents are against them.
And they just, they're in big trouble.
Stay optimistic on this, folks.
It is not time to go wobbly in the knees.
It really is not.
If you do, if you, you know, I don't think this is what I bargain for.
I don't know, Iraq and war, Ontario, but I don't want to get bogged down.
You just understand one thing.
The terrorists' biggest success stories are in this country.
Zarkawi, Zawahiri, Mookie, Muktarl, Sauter, all of these clowns.
Their biggest success stories, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, you name it.
Washington Post, New York Times, LA Times, the Democratic Party, and the Democratic Party's fringe left.
That's where the terrorists are succeeding.
Now, when you think of the left in this country, do you not think of a bunch of peace movement types, anti-nuke?
I mean, they're over there, Nagasaki and Hiroshima, always apologizing that we got to get rid of our nukes.
We got to get rid of them, folks.
You know, they say this, we got to get rid of our nukes.
We can't even have nuclear power.
That's how dangerous and deadly this stuff is.
We can't even get anywhere near it.
LA Times, part of that chorus, strangely has an op-ed today by Fariborz Mukhtari, a professor at the Near East South Asia Center of the National Defense University in Washington.
And the sum total is we need to respect Iranian nationalism.
We need to let the Iranians get their nukes.
We need to let Iran have nuclear weapons.
We need to do this.
It's what Iran needs for their self-esteem.
It's what Iran needs.
If we let this happen, Iran will not consider himself so put on and will not react in such dangerous ways.
So we can't have them, but the LA Times runs a piece saying Iran should get them.
All right.
I just want to remind you here, folks, the headline in today's Washington Post on the friction that exists between the Democrats on Iraq.
Headline reads this.
Democrats split over position on Iraq war.
Here's today's New York Times headline on Judge Roberts.
Democrats split on tactics for confirmation hearings.
Okay, so the Post says the Democrats are split over the Iraq war.
The Times says Democrats are split on their tactics for the confirmation hearings.
Why are we afraid of them?
Why is anybody out there at all acting frightened of this?
I understand that there's a reason to be fearful if they get power back.
I mean, that's when they're to be feared.
Right now, they're to be laughed at, as in this.
You won't believe this.
This is a story from Boise, Idaho.
Boise State University Women's Center distributes vagina-shaped candy.
Says candy is a playful reminder that women should not be ashamed of their bodies.
Some guy named Jeff Ray of KBC ITV filed a report.
They might taste good, but some BSU students think the vagina-shaped white chocolate candy that the school's women's center is distributing is in poor taste.
That's almost to the point of being degrading to a woman's body, in my opinion, says business student Vicki Johnson.
Representatives from the Women's Center distributed the candy this week during a meeting for freshman honors students.
But the center has actually been distributing the candy for six years now, and during that time, the center says it's received plenty of criticism.
Their interim coordinator, Autumn Haynes, thinks that criticism is okay because it gets people talking.
We want to dispel the myth that it's not okay to talk about down there.
How TV news has changed.
It's getting, folks, the limits are gone.
They're off.
Page six today, the New York Post, talks about one of the babes on Desperate Housewives.
And I've got to read this to you.
Let me call it.
No, no, no, no, Mr. Let me, let me, let me, let me get this up.
I don't even want to paraphrase this.
Just let me start a new tab here.
It won't take long at all because I'm proficient with the computer.
Under the headline, bald is better.
Ladies and gentlemen, I know school has not started in all parts of America.
If you're already upset about your vagina-shaped white chocolate candy, you might want to, if you're going to be offended yourself, I'm just going to read to you from a family newspaper, the New York Post, but you may not want to hear this.
So you might want to turn the radio off for like 30 seconds.
If your kids are with you and you don't want any questions about this, which I could totally understand, you might want to turn the radio off for 30 seconds.
Under the headline, I'll give you a countdown of five, and if you're still here, you're listening at your own risk.
5-4-3-2-1.
Under the headline, bold is better.
Desperate housewife Eva Longoria says that she only discovered her sexual self after she got some pruning done in the intimate area.
It's what it says.
Yeah, it was when I was 25 or 26, the 30-year-old star said.
I never waxed or really paid attention to that area.
It opened the door to a whole new sexual side of me.
Getting in touch with your inner sex goddess would begin with the Brazilian wax.
So it is.
It's a jungle out there, folks.
So you never know what you're going to get when you read the morning paper.
You're never going to, when you turn on KBC ITV in Boise, you never know what you're going to get.
So in one day, we've gone here from the New York Post to pruning done in an intimate area to increase and enhance sexuality.
And now they're passing out vagina-shaped white chocolate candy up at the Boise State University Women's Center.
And the coordinator there thinks, eh, this is cool.
We want to dispel the myth that it's not okay to talk about down there.
Many times young girls, particularly in our society, are raised with the belief that they have to fit a certain kind of body type and it's not okay to feel comfortable about their sexuality.
And our mission is really to dispel that myth so that women can feel comfortable about their body.
So we're passing out vagina-shaped white chocolate.
The center says it distributes the candy to promote the annual production of a play called The Vagina Monologues.
It's based on the stories of hundreds of women and Bill is giving an honest account of their lives.
The center says ticket revenue pays for the candy and no taxpayer funds or student fees.
Well, I guess that makes it okay.
Other students say they're not offended by the candy, but I wouldn't eat one, says Jennifer Gilmore.
They're just trying to get attention more than anything.
That's what I honestly think about it all.
Get publicity, said Tad Dunovan.
On that point, the women's center would probably agree.
They want publicity for their message, a message about women's sexuality delivered without any sugar coating.
Well, so we've got pruning, the intimate area, and we've got it's not okay to talk about down there in the conventional mainstream so-called media.
Back to the phones now, folks.
Not sweet chocolate, Mr. Snerdley.
White chocolate is sweet chocolate.
White chocolate, sweet chocolate.
Might be a nice way to sabotage this stuff is to go out and make your own vagina-shaped candy and make it with bitter chocolate.
For the appropriate taste in your mouth, try.
Here's Lenny in Wilkesbury, Pennsylvania.
Welcome to the EIB Network.
Hello.
Dittos, Rush.
Rush, I want to defend the Straight Talk Express a little bit here.
You know, unlike Senator Chuck Hagel, I think John McCain has been solid as a rock on Iraq.
I think, if anything, from the beginning, he only advocated that we went in a little heavier and that we, you know, increase our effort vis-a-vis troops.
But, you know, he's actually the only politician I've heard on either side of the aisle that's actually advocating permanent bases in Iraq, you know, to eventually get our guys and women off.
Wait, ho, ho, ho.
I know he's done that in Afghanistan.
I was there.
He was there a couple days before I got there in February, and he said that on the ground.
There was four permanent bases there.
I didn't know he suggested that at Iraq, but I know, look, you're right about his support of the Iraq War.
I don't mean to.
When I compare him to Hegel, I'm simply saying that McCain has taken his share of opportunities in the past five years to go on mainstream media and criticize and disagree certain elements of Bush policy, not in Iraq, but like taxes.
He's opposed to tax cuts.
There have been a couple other things.
And Hegel, I'm simply saying, is following in McCain's footsteps.
So on Iraq, you're right.
Yeah, I had a conversation with Tom Schills from Citizens Against Government Waste, and they said the perception about McCain is misleading when it comes to stuff like pork barrel politics, where George Bush has let a lot of that stuff go through.
I don't think John McCain, I think John McCain would actually be tougher on that kind of stuff.
Now, granted, he's off the reservation on a lot of our issues, Rush, but I just wanted to comment on specifically Iraq.
I appreciate that because you're absolutely right.
And I was not trying to draw comparisons between Hegel and McCain on Iraq, simply on The technique of becoming loved and adored and slobbered all over by the mainstream press in Washington and New York.
Steve, in Lincoln, Nebraska, you're next on the EIB network.
Hello.
Megan Cornhuskers will be back, Dittos, Rod.
Yay, great.
Great to have you on the program out there, Steve Baby.
I will do my duty as a good caller, hopefully, and tell you last hour your instincts were dead right about Senator Hagel.
I stopped by his office a week before the August recess and got to talk to a senior aide and asked why he was making just the kind of statements he made yesterday.
Was he trying to position himself as president?
What was going on?
Because we don't like it back here in the heartland.
And I was told two things.
One, he is not trying to position himself for a presidential run.
And two, he must be the man to ask the tough questions.
The guy said that 10 times if he said it once.
And Senator Hagel's his own man.
And I think it's telling that Senator McCain's office is right across the hall.
All right.
Well, okay, so I was speculating last hour what it could be that would be motivating Senator Hagel to do this since it seems to fly in the face with his presidential aspirations and, you know, asking the tough questions, the lone Republican to go out there and be honest.
I'm just telling you what I think.
Something's not right about this.
And to try to get credit for that.
But even that is similarly calculating, just like any other move would be.
And so you strip it all away and it still remains a calculation.
Thanks, Steve.
A quick timeout.
We'll be back and continue here on the one and only EIB network after this.
And back to the phones we go.
This is Greg in Cincinnati.
You're next, sir.
Nice to have you with us for the EIB network.
Hi.
Thanks for having me, Rosh.
Grown up in the Midwest Dittos.
Thank you.
Hey, listen, what Hegel just doesn't understand is that if we pull out of Iraq, they're just going to end up on his doorstep and coming to the States trying to find us.
They want us dead.
They want our way of life, dead.
Yeah, I know.
Anybody knows that?
Anybody with any human experience dealing with an opponent of any kind knows this.
You cut and run and you're signaling weakness.
You're signaling you can be had.
I'll tell you, folks, I think Osama bin Laden has said this.
And he said this in an interview with a guy named John Miller, who was at the time working for ABC.
This is a 2020 interview or some one of those type shows.
And Bin Laden actually said that he was emboldened and heartened to see how we cut and ran out of Mogadishu.
He said it was amazing.
All we had to do was drag one naked, dead Army Ranger through the streets of Mogadishu, and U.S. cat just couldn't get out of there fast enough.
And it was that incident coupled with lack of response to previous terrorist actions that he had programmed and been responsible for that convinced him that we didn't have the stomach to take casualties.
And when anybody with half a brain, not even about war, can understand that psychologically.
It's almost a syndrome.
And you would think that Senator Hagel, and by the way, he's not the only one.
You've got the brilliant Russ Feingold, one half of McCain Feingold, thereby establishing for the record his brilliance, suggesting that we get out of there by 2007, actually setting a date.
I mean, it's one thing to say, we need a policy to get out of there.
And I thought we had a policy to get out of there.
The president's articulated it.
When the Iraqis can handle things on their own, we get out of there.
But so Hagel says, we need a policy to get out.
Feingold says, we need to get out of there by 2007.
It's why it's hard to think that these people are so stupid, they don't understand the folly of what they're thinking is and what they're saying.
And it's hard to understand.
They don't understand what the result would be.
And what's he saying is not a deadline.
It's merely a target.
Oh, well, okay.
I'm sorry.
Ladies and gentlemen, I mischaracterized.
I must correct myself.
I mischaracterized Senator Feingold.
He said that 2007 is not a deadline, just a target date.
Oh, okay.
So for those of you insurgents in Iraq listening to this program, 2007, it's not a date we're getting out of there.
That's the date we're going to try to get out of there.
So put it on your calendars there.
And I mean, what can happen is these guys can force us out even sooner.
So we give target date, deadline, whatever you want to call it.
If the smart insurgents would stand down immediately, just stand down and make them think we can leave even earlier.
It really is, it's tremendously curious to me.
History is replete with these kinds of examples.
It makes no sense.
That's why, folks, it makes some of us wonder if these people articulating this actually don't want us to lose or actually do want us to lose.
You know, there is a group of thinkers, there's a body of thought out there that thinks we're responsible for this, that we are causing all this.
And the Democrats, by the way, about whom Ron Brownstein laments, there is no debate anymore.
Democrats aren't saying it.
And the Democrats have said, among other things, Bush created terrorism.
This terrorism that's happening is because Bush went to Iraq.
And these are the kind of people that ask themselves the question, why do they hate us?
Maybe if they just didn't hate us, that's it.
Maybe if we had, maybe if we just showed them that we're nice people, you can get along with us, maybe that they'll stop attacking us.
Now, you know, this appeasement, that's why have these people been in charge in the days of the Cold War, which still have the Cold War.
Another reason why I say, folks, I don't care how wobbly you're getting on Iraq, there is a worse alternative, and that's people like Russ Feingold or name, any Democrat you want running the show, and it can get worse.
And it's not nearly as bad as they would have you to believe now.
Quickly, Kathy in Atlanta, you're next on the EIB network.
Hello.
Hi.
Right, I'm sorry.
I'm pulling our brothers out of the road.
I love you so much.
I just wanted to say, aren't these the same Democrats who were criticizing Bush 41 for not finishing the job in Iran and Afghanistan the first time around?
And Iraq the first time around.
Yes.
This is the same people.
And then now they're wanting us to pull out and not finish the job now.
Yeah, you know, that's it.
Somebody made that point to me over the weekend that we should have finished the job.
And if we'd have just finished the job, that this wouldn't have happened.
And of course, people forget, you know, you're right.
You're right, Kathy.
It is predominantly Bush's critics who say, well, if 41 had just finished the job, and so they lay all that on Bush.
It was a Bush 41, now it's Bush 43, but it's still the same Bush.
You know, Bush is a Bush, and that means they steal elections and they go to war for oil.
Well, does anybody remember who stopped?
I had to remind my friend of this over the week.
Anybody remember who really was responsible?
Anybody, you want to know who was responsible more than anybody for pulling up short in the first Gulf War?
Can I give you the name?
Let me whisper it.
Colin Powell.
Colin Powell.
Does the term highway of death jog your memory?
Now, there was a UN resolution.
Bush went and got the UN.
And hey, by the way, the same libs that love the UN still now to this day criticize that we didn't finish off the job.
Well, the UN resolution that Bush got did not include taking out Saddam.
That resolution did not say we're going to follow him back to Baghdad.
We're going to depose Saddam.
It said we're going to kick him out of Kuwait and make sure he can't attack again or go into Saudi Arabia.
And we were kicking them back.
And the Republican Guard and all these so-called elite forces, Sam Donaldson said we had no chance.
50,000 body bags that be needed.
What did they give up?
In a day and a half, they were surrendering all over the sands of the deserts out there.
And then we were driving those that didn't surrender back to Baghdad.
And it was a slaughter.
And the pictures of the highway of death.
Dead Iraqi soldiers mangled and bloody and destroyed along with their vehicles.
And these pictures reached America and Colin Powell said, Mr. President, stop this.
It's an unnecessary slaughter.
You can't survive the highway of death.
It's not necessary.
So we pulled up short.
There's always revisionist history around, though, folks, for the left.
And that's the truth of what happened.
We'll be back.
Thanks very much, Kathy.
Don't go away, folks.
Coming up of the next hour, a subject that I addressed about a month ago, maybe six weeks ago, and it is back.
That is Muslims demanding the chance to swear on the Quran in court rather than on the Bible.
They'll have that.
Lots of other stuff out there, folks, when we get back.
Sit tight.
We're not going anywhere.
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