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July 14, 2005 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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July 14, 2005, Thursday, Hour #2
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Having more fun than a human being should be allowed to have Rush Limbaugh, America's anchorman, America's truth detector, and America's play-by-play man of the news.
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A Senate panel was told there was no torture at Gitmo.
Club Gitmo featured no torture whatsoever.
The military investigation of interrogations at Club Gitmo found no torture occurred, but one high-value al-Qaeda operative was subjected to abusive and degrading treatment when he was forced to wear a bra, do dog tricks, and stay awake for 20 hours a day.
We looked at this very, very carefully.
No torture occurred.
Air Force Lieutenant General Randall Schmidt testified yesterday before the Senate Armed Services Committee.
Detention and interrogation operations across the board, looking through all the evidence that we could were safe, secure, and inhumane.
John Warner, who chairs the committee, pointed out that there were three episodes of questionable conduct in over 24,000 investigations, interrogations involving some numerous thousand number of detainees.
You know, wearing a broad dog collar, staying up for 20 hours.
I've seen that in San Francisco in the middle of the day.
I've been out in San Francisco and I've seen people in dog collars and I've seen people on leashes.
I've seen people walking other people around with dog collars and leashes on.
I've seen them wearing brassiers and a lot of other lipstick, a whole bunch of stuff, folks.
And they look like they're having a damn good time to me.
Look like they're enjoying every bit of it.
But I guess we can't have this because these are Muslims and this is degrading.
Well, at least they're alive.
Their heads are not chopped off.
They're eating a lot of great food.
They're getting their prayer sessions and so forth.
I just marvel at the ongoing outrage over this.
Senator Carl Levin of Michigan, the committee's ranking Democrat, said it is clear from the report that detainee mistreatment was not simply the product of a few rogue military police on a night shift.
Rogue military police.
Rogue military police.
Describing our interrogators at Club Gitmo.
Now, the New York Times also has a story on this.
And, you know, I'm sure the New York Times is, they had to run it.
I mean, they couldn't bury this, but it's not what they wanted to run.
The headline for the New York Times version is, report discredits FBI claims of abuse at Guantanamo Bay.
Now, who made an FBI claim of abuse at Guantanamo Bay?
Oh, come on now, folks.
Search the deep, dark crevices of your fertile memory.
Yes, it was none other than Illinois Senator Dick Durbin who went to the floor of the Senate and read from an FBI email he had received describing all this horrible treatment that he compared to what would happen to you if you were in Cambodia under Paul Pot, or if you happen to be in a Soviet gulag, or if you happen to be in a Nazi Germany concentration camp.
But from the New York Times story itself, the report also said investigators could not corroborate an incident recounted by an FBI agent who said she saw a detainee shackled to the floor for hours, soiling himself and pulling out his hair.
Why, that's the very email that Durbin quoted from the floor of the Senate.
The very email that Dick Durbin relied on to defame the military and to compare our military to Hitler to Stalin and to Paul Pot.
Can't even be confirmed as accurate.
It's not even close enough for the mainstream press to lie about it.
It's not even close enough for the New York Times to allege that it might have happened.
It's not even close enough for Dan Rather to forge documents showing that it did happen.
And I suspect that Durbin knew it at the time he used it on the Senate floor.
I will bet you that Durbin knew that it couldn't be confirmed or hadn't been confirmed.
Durbin wanted to believe it.
You'll recall that John Warner specifically admonished Durbin, telling him he needed to wait for a determination of whether, in fact, that email was accurate.
Warner obviously knew the military couldn't confirm the contents of that email, and so too must Durbin have known, but Durbin didn't wait.
He went ahead and ran with it.
And we all know what happened after that.
He blamed me for amplifying his words, and that led to the very successful creation of the Club Gitmo division at the EIB store, which has led now to literally thousands of items of Club Gitmo gear being purchased from the EIB store.
And the Club Gitmo line is showing up all over this country.
The photographs that we are being sent by people who've purchased Club Gitmo gear are being posted in our Club Gitmo photo gallery more and more each and every day.
Might be one of the first times that Dick Durbin can actually be said, as a liberal Democrat, to have helped the economy here, ladies and gentlemen.
We have pictures of people outside Jumpin' Jim Jeffords office in Montpelier, Vermont.
We have pictures of people outside the Texas office of Sheila Jackson Lee.
We have people all over the country taking these pictures of themselves in Club Gitmo gear.
Here's one, a picture of Phil at a Michael Moore-sponsored film festival in Traverse City, Michigan.
And the one with the Jumpin' Jim Jeffords office in the background actually features a woman jumping in the air, wearing her Club Gitmo shirt.
Her name is Raquella, jumping at the Jumpin' Jim Jeffords home office in Montpelier, Vermont.
You ought to see these.
They are at rushlimbaugh.com.
Frasier and Dan at Sheila Jackson Lee's headquarters in Houston, right underneath the sign on the side of the building with her office.
They're great pictures, and they're all over the place at our brochure location, which is the EIB, the Rush Limbaugh website, rushlimbaugh.com at the ClubGitmo photo gallery.
It's easy to see it, and you can get your pictures posted by sending them to ClubGitmo at rushlimbaugh.com.
So no torture at ClubGitmo, just a brassier.
What else?
A brasier.
Was it a dog collar?
A brassier?
A dog collar and being forced to stay awake for 20 hours.
You know, if you've ever had to pull an all-nighter to, you know, get your way through a test in college or high school.
Could be.
It strikes me that this is just outrageous.
People, phony, fake, mock outrage over all of this.
And of course, it all happens one week after 53 people dead in London.
And yet we remain concerned over these kinds of few incidences or incidents of this kind of behavior.
Down at UH, at Club Gitmo, there are some other things.
A female interrogator smeared fake menstrual blood on a prisoner.
A NAVY officer threatened one prisoner by saying he would go after his family.
An FBI agent said a prisoner was bound on the head with duct tape, his mouth covered, because he was chanting verses from the Quran.
Uh this, of course, is all considered to be Un-american.
We can't do these kinds of things.
Why this makes us no better than them?
Also, a prominent Islamic scholar who exhorted his followers after the september 11th attacks to join the Taliban and fight U.s troops, was sentenced yesterday to life in prison.
Ali Al-tamimi was convicted in april of soliciting treason, inducing others to aid the Taliban and others to use firearms in violation of federal law.
He said I will not admit guilt nor seek the court's mercy.
I do this simply because I am innocent.
The Fairfax cleric said in the 10-minute address before the UH.
Before the sentencing attorneys, Edward Mcmahon and Alan Yamamoto argued Al-timimi was unfairly prejudiced at trial by inflammatory evidence of his religious beliefs and accused prosecutors of misconduct for unfairly linking Al-timi to Osama Bin Laden.
Mcmahon said we had to defend ourselves against Bin Laden in this trial, and i'm i'm appalled by some of his views.
Yeah but but uh, he's not a man of violence.
This man, our defendant our, our client, is not a criminal.
U.s attorney assistant.
U.s attorney Gordon Kromberg said that Al-timame hates the United States and has called for its destruction.
Uh my, my question is is, is uh, is even a trial of these people Un-American?
I mean, should we put them on trial for their religion?
Isn't that?
Isn't that Un-American?
How we dare do this, ladies and gentlemen?
I mean, what's going on at Club Gitmo is one thing, but to actually try these people because of their religion well I, I'm appalled.
I can't.
I can't believe that we would even bring these people to trial.
Mr. Snerdley this, this is just Un-American.
People who threaten treason, people who encourage and motivate others to join forces against the U.S.
Well, I know we used to execute them, but it's un-American now to bring them to trial and humiliate them this way.
They're not familiar with our court system.
How dare we do something like this?
What's becoming of us, Mr. Snerdley?
No, we should just stand by and lose the war.
That would be the American thing to do.
Don't forget the Vietnam template.
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They can actually watch Radio Genius as it happens.
Tim in Cleveland, welcome to the program.
Nice to have you with us, sir.
Hey, Rush, how you doing?
Good.
I've got a question.
You were mentioning the dog collars and the bras at Club Gitmo.
I think that would be an excellent addition to the Club Gitmo store.
Which, dog collar or the bra?
Well, both would be good, but I was thinking more of the dog collar as I don't really wear a bra, so I'd like to walk my dog with the Club Gitmo dog collar.
Well, I think you should start wearing a bra.
Especially as somebody who is a supporter and a visitor Club Gitmo, I mean, apparently goes on down there should wear one, you know, over the t-shirt or something.
But here's the problem with adding new items to the Club Gitmore store, Gitmo store.
We're always looking to do this, but to be honest, we're having trouble meeting the demand for things we have already.
We're already, the caps are flying out of the Club Gitmo store almost as fast as we can get them in, maybe a little faster.
And, you know, dog collars and bras would love to have a huge inventory, and we'll look into it.
It's not a bad idea.
Of course, we'd have to maintain the color scheme.
Everything will have to be the prison jumpsuit orange as the official color at Club Gittino.
Appreciate the suggestion.
Troy in Fort Myers, Florida.
Welcome to the program.
Nice to have you with us.
How you doing, sir?
Fine.
Just wanted to make one quick case thing before I gave my question to you.
As far as people in Gittino, our people go through Warthnet in fraternities.
It's a freaking joke.
And secondly, you were saying about the Klaw Rove issue.
You were saying earlier about rogue CIA agents working with Democrats.
Doesn't that kind of sound like a conspiracy theory?
No, it's not a conspiracy theory.
It's a conspiracy.
Isn't that kind of the same thing?
I mean, there's no real fact of it happening yet.
No, a theory is when you make it up.
A conspiracy theory would be an FBO landed in a trailer park and absconded with Joe Wilson, took him back up to the mothership, came back and made him a Democrat, and that's why that would be a conspiracy theory.
The fact that there are people in the CIA and in the State Department that hate George W. Bush and were trying to undermine his reelection in 2004 is not a conspiracy theory.
It's a fact.
And, you know, two people get together and plan something.
They've conspired.
You've got a conspiracy.
No, I'm not pushing conspiracy theory.
I'm telling you what I think happened.
I mean, you can't escape it.
We know that there are career liberals in the State Department.
There always have been.
And they are appeasers.
They don't want to solve problems.
They'd be out of work if they did.
We know that all kinds of Iraq battle plans were leaked to the New York Times and the Washington Post and the front page prior to anything happening.
We know that a number of efforts have been made.
The CIA lets a retired agent write a book condemning Bush's whole plan on a plan of action in Iraq.
I mean, the CIA never used to do things like that.
I mean, we're all concerned here about the outing of a CIA agent.
And yet here's a former agent outing himself writing a book.
Why can't we say that this guy who wrote the book and was on the book tour as an agent?
Maybe everybody he knew in foreign posts is now compromised.
And by the way, speaking of this business of protecting the CIA, since when has the left ever cared about that anyway?
I don't think the left's ever cared about the CIA.
The left has always looked at the CIA as the enemy.
The CIA overthrow Ayunde.
The CIA conducting unjust and unfair and illegal wars in Central America.
The CIA doing this and that.
We had to emasculate the CIA with a church committee.
And let's not forget the lovely New York Times.
Wasn't that long ago they ran a story that exposed a CIA air charter operation.
How come nobody's concerned about that outing of the CIA?
There was the story about how they had this air charter operation and they were supposedly using Gulfstream jets to ferry prisoners under the rendition program to foreign countries to be questioned and interrogated.
But the whole purpose of that New York Times story was to undermine that CIA operation.
And yet here's the CIA being defended and protected by that very New York Times, which throughout its career has done its best to undermine the CIA.
Things are upside down here, but it doesn't take conspiracy thinking to see it and to explain it.
This is pure partisan politics happening here, folks, at its best or worst, however you wish to describe it.
We have a breaking news alert, ladies and gentlemen.
Chief Justice Rehnquist has been released from the hospital.
Chief Justice Rehnquist has been released from the hospital.
For those of you in Rio Linda, this means he is still alive.
And for those of you in the Beltway, it means there's not yet a second opening to the U.S. Supreme Court.
Chief Justice Rehnquist, who stopped the presses with his admission to the hospital with a fever, which led to hours of analysis on TV as to the meaning of that, has now been released from the hospital.
And we will, of course, I'm sure, get analysis of the meaning of his release.
What does this mean for George Bush?
What does this mean for Karl Rove?
What does this mean for the Supreme Court?
What does Rehnquist's release from the hospital mean for Rehnquist?
What does it mean for the hospital?
What does it mean for the doctor?
What does it mean for the ambulance or the automobile taking him home?
What does it mean to Rehnquist's future that he's not in the hospital, but in fact has been released?
You heard it here first, breaking news on the EIB network.
Mike and Lake Tahoe, Nevada, you're next in the EIB network.
Hello.
Yeah, greetings, Rush from Tahoe.
You know, I'm curious.
I know that you don't vouch for products without trying them.
So perhaps after the call, if I can talk to your guy afterwards, I'd like to get some info to you on a product for me to advertise with you.
But the reason I called was I think Chucky has so been out of shape because he wasn't one of the seven dwarfs.
He also wasn't one of the group invited up for lunch with Gingy Harry.
So I think that he's just grappling for attention because he's dwarfed by even Hillary in his own state.
All right, so yeah, so this is your theory on why Chuck Schumer is appearing at the press conference today with Joe Wilson.
Absolutely.
Chuck probably called him because Chucky's in love with himself and he's getting passed up by everybody.
You could be right.
You could be right.
All I'm going on here, folks, is nothing in Washington is as it seems.
Oh, okay.
We got a press conference today.
3 o'clock?
3 o'clock?
3 o'clock.
What happens at 3 o'clock?
What does everybody in this country know happens at 3 o'clock?
That's right, this program is off the air.
So they're having this press conference at 3 o'clock.
Happenstance?
No.
Coincidence?
Doubtful.
Is this something that just got put together last night that somebody has called somebody and Wilson says, I'm going to go up there and testify.
Chuck, you go with him, make sure he does it right.
No.
Nothing is as it seems.
For Chuck Schumer to be showing up with Joe Wilson tells me they have a relationship.
I want to know about that relationship.
Wilson portrays himself as a nonpartisan guy.
He contributes to both parties.
He may, but the vast amount of his donations go to Democrats.
He was on John Kerry's advisory staff.
He's a hack.
He's a Democrat Party hack.
So, no, you may be right, but I just think there's more to it.
I think there's a relationship.
I think Schumer and Wilson probably go way back.
And I'd like to know how far back.
And I'd like to see emails and phone records of their conversations as they plan this press conference today and maybe whatever else has happened the past two years.
If the Democrats can demand that, why can't I?
Welcome back, Cutting Edge Societal Evolution El Rushbo and the Limboy Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies.
A letter of July 24, 2003 was sent to the Honorable Robert Mueller, who runs the FBI.
It's a letter from Senator Charles Schumer.
July 24, 2003, about two years ago.
Dear Director Mueller, I am writing to request that you launch an immediate criminal investigation into reports that two senior members of the Bush administration made the identity of an undercover CIA operative public.
According to several news accounts, two senior administration officials last week distributed unsolicited information indicating that Valerie Plame, the spouse of longtime State Department veteran Ambassador Joseph Wilson, was a CIA operative.
This disclosure was part of an apparent attempt to discredit Ambassador Wilson's findings about potential uranium exports from Niger or Niger to Iraq and intimidate the other officials from speaking their minds.
It goes on to recite some other allegations and supposed facts and says, I request you immediately launch an investigation to determine the source of this information and assess whether there is enough evidence to refer the matter for criminal prosecution.
Okay, so here's Schumer.
Now, I'm only reminding you of this because I myself am openly asking, Schumer showing up with Wilson?
What's this?
See, understand something.
I think Wilson's a political hack, and I think Wilson is in bed with the Democrats and has been since this trip to Niger.
And I think this is all part of an effort that the Democrats hatched to establish the lie, the lie, the lie that Bush construct, the lie upon lie that Bush constructed to go into Iraq when the Democrats don't think it was necessary.
So here's this letter, July 24th, 2003.
And I would love to know what role Wilson played with Schumer in this.
I just refuse to accept that Chuck Schumer, acting on his own two years ago after learning of this travesty, this woman's name out there, decided on his own to send a letter to Mueller.
I know the Democrats don't act as lone rangers.
Democrats get together and plot strategery.
It's on page one of the playbook.
And they all stay on the same page when they're executing the play.
And I just want to know what role Wilson had.
I'm telling you, it's not coincidental that Wilson showing up with Schumer today at this press conference.
These two obviously go way back.
There is a connection somehow.
And if there is, and I know there is, since there is a connection, we know it now with his letter, there has to be a coordinated strategy going on.
Also went back to 2004, September 29th, less than a year ago, a column in the New York Times by William Sapphire about this.
And let me just read to you two paragraphs from Mr. Sapphire's piece, which brings us to the runaway Chicago prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald and his campaign to undermine the tradition of protecting the confidentiality of a journalist's source, without which officials could conceal ineptitude, nepotism, corruption, and worse.
Somebody blew the whistle on the persuasion by Valerie Plame, a CIA employee in Washington, to get her husband, Joseph Wilson IV, assigned to check out reports of Saddam's attempt to buy uranium ore from Niger.
His later book, promoting charges of lying by the president, have since been doubly discredited.
So here you have Sapphire, who's upset at the prosecutor here.
He calls him a runaway prosecutor.
He's all for reporters being allowed to keep confidential sources.
He makes the point in this piece that waivers that have been coerced by the prosecutor really don't count, and he supports Judith Miller even before she went to jail.
This is, as I say, last September.
But according to Mr. Sapphire's impression here, the subject of the investigation is who blew the whistle on Valerie Plame suggesting her husband get the job.
Somebody blew the whistle on the persuasion by Valerie Plame to get her husband, Joseph Wilson IV, assigned to check out reports of Saddam's attempt to buy uranium ore from Niger.
Somebody blew the whistle on the persuasion by Valerie Plame to get her husband.
So somebody did that.
Somebody's out there saying that, and this is last September, that the real story here is who blew the whistle that it was Valerie Plame's idea to send her husband over there.
And then he says Wilson's later book, promoting charges of lying by the president, have since been doubly discredited.
Don in Washington, I'm glad you called.
Welcome to the EIB Network.
Nice to have you.
Hey.
Yeah, I just was wanting to call and comment about, you know, the supposed torture of terrorists by making him stay awake for, you know, 20-plus hours.
I mean, 20, 20.
20 hours, and it wasn't torture.
They have officially said it wasn't torture, but he was forced to stay awake for 20 hours.
Well, I mean, I'm in the military, and I'm just getting off almost 24 hours myself.
And, I mean, I normally work an eight-hour day, but I had to stay all night and then half again the next day because of equipment failure, and I had to make sure that it got up and was working again.
Am I being tortured because, you know, I stayed up this late?
I don't, Don, I don't think you, I appreciate what you're saying, my friend, and we all love you and God bless you as a member of the military, but I don't think you understand.
You also are forced to eat worse food than these people eat down there.
You got that right.
And you don't get to stand down and pray five times a day, do you, wherever you want to pray?
Does the military give you a Bible?
No, not really.
I mean, you can get it, but you have to request it.
They don't talk about how you do it.
Okay, well, see, so you're being forced to do a bunch of shifts that equal 24 hours.
You're eating MREs.
You've got to get it through your head here that as a member of the U.S. military, you are going to be treated worse than a prisoner at Club Gitmo in many ways.
You'll have more freedom than a prisoner at Club Gitmo has.
They are kept tight range.
They're not allowed off the beach, even with Ted Kennedy out there on the jet ski.
But nevertheless, I get your point, and everybody gets your point.
20 hours, come on.
And to say that this is unamerical.
Remember, all this we're learning one week after 53 people dead in a terrorist bombing in London.
And we know now that these terrorists were homegrown.
They were born.
They were Britons.
We also know that, by the way, a lot of the British hierarchy is stunned.
A lot of the British leadership is stunned that homegrown Brits could do this.
Well, I'm glad they're stunned.
I'm glad they're getting a wake-up call as to what their immigration policy has led to.
And it's a great indication for us or an illustration to us of the potential that we face in this country as well with similar open border policies.
Arlene in Washingtonville, New York, you're next on the EIB network.
Hello.
Hello.
Thank you for taking my call.
I enjoy your program, and I always appreciate all of your analysis.
Thank you.
I have a question or a point to make on Joe Wilson.
Since he was on a sensitive classified mission to Niger, did he have to sign a document not to discuss the nature of his mission?
If so, he broke the law when he wrote the op-ed in the New York Times and repeatedly had leaks on selective classified information.
I don't know about that.
Are you suggesting that Wilson might, in fact, himself be a target, could be in jeopardy?
Yes, and nobody brought up that point.
And I heard somebody say, oh, I don't know, a year or two ago, that they have to sign documents not to release information when they're on a classified mission.
Well, now remember what he did, though.
He came back and he submitted his report and the administration used 16 words in the State of the Union speech alleging that the Iraqis had attempted to buy uranium ore from Niger.
And that's, I can't stand by and watch this why they're lying about my report.
I came back and said there's no such evidence.
So he went public with it.
And that's when he started lying himself and that's when he got, you know, began to get caught in a number of lies.
But then the administration went out and apologized.
Now, to this day, I do not understand it because to this day, the British stand by their intelligence report to this day that Iraq attempted to buy uranium ore from Niger.
They stand by it.
I don't know why the administration, after that State of the Union speech, apologized and took the 16 words out.
I just, it's one of these things going to continue to befuddle me about this when their original source for the evidence was standing by it.
Anyway, my interest in Wilson here is the same as my interest in the New York Times.
And I just, you know, you've got Wilson that's associated with the Democratic Party as a hack.
And this letter from Schumer two years ago, Wilson showing up with Schumer today at this press conference at the strangely timed hour of 3 p.m. Eastern Time.
There's just, these guys are raising, are behaving in such a way that raises all kinds of questions about their own behavior in this.
And, you know, we can sit around and ask questions about Karl Rove and the administration all day long, but I think what Karl Rove said has been documented.
He's given waivers, and we've now got these emails that Matt Cooper wrote his bosses indicating what Rove said.
Rove has testified three times before the grand jury.
I don't know where people are getting it in their heads that Rove is withholding anything or that Bush is withholding anything.
But if you want to say, I mean, if you want to say, Rush, it smells.
It smells to me at the White House.
I don't know.
Why doesn't Bush just come out and defend the guy?
Why didn't Bush do this?
Okay, if you think there's some canery going on at the White House, that's fine.
But I'm telling you, folks, Joe Wilson is not this unimpeachable witness himself.
There's a lot of suspicion here, and you can throw it around and be accurate in throwing it at a lot of people on both sides of the aisle in this.
All these people making the allegations and making the charges have the benefit of appearing to come with absolutely no axe to grind or they're clean and pure as the wind-driven snow.
And it's not the case here.
The people making the allegations are alleging certain things to divert attention away from themselves, as in the New York Times, as in Joe Wilson, with his obvious accomplice and ally of a long time Chuck Schumer.
Quick time out back after this.
Don't go away.
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You seen that?
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There's no question in my mind that Apple's quarterly earnings and the unexpected gain are due in part to the podcasting service of this program in Rushlinbaugh.com.
Bill in Kenosha, Wisconsin, welcome to the EIB Network.
Hello.
Yes, there's a bigger problem right now, and we're having our attention diverted from the fact that someone's been able to convert young Muslims who were not radicals into guidance systems for bombs.
And this does away with the idea of even closing the border, because some of these people didn't even go to Pakistan.
It's being done right there in the mosque in their neighborhood.
And it's actually happened here.
If you remember, Johnny Ben Walker, Adam Gadon, Jose Padilla, to mention the three that we know of.
There may be many more under this conditioning right now.
And this conditioning method, which is, I think, it's greater an atrocity than anything we do at Gitmo, let me tell you that.
We need to track how this has been brought into this country, and we need to find out who's doing it and get rid of them.
Wait a minute.
Let me ask you to specify this.
Are you suggesting, are you specifying a charge here that there are militant Islamists in this country that are training American citizens to become weapons, essentially, suicide bombers, much as happened in Great Britain?
Well, I've studied these people and worked against them for quite a while.
They perfect the technique.
They test it in one area, but they've already got the same thing working in other areas.
For the longest time, they've been trying to devise a methodology to convert a young citizen into one of their faithful to do this job.
And I believe they've developed a certain psychological regime, which is probably analogous to what one uses to interrogate.
And you then, just like what the Moonies used to do or some of these other cults, you drag this young person with a skull full of mush into some real indoctrination, and then they're ready to go out and take on the rest of the world, kill their own citizens, and you can give them a gun or a bomb or a nuke.
And they go there to watch it go off to make sure that they're not around to be interrogated once they're in the middle of the day.
Right, we know that this actually does explain the Great Britain bomb of a week ago, the bombs of a week ago.
And those were British citizens, but they were of Islamist descent.
Islamic descent.
Is it your theory or fear or whatever that the same thing is happening in the United States?
My assumption is, based on the fact these people don't just try something locally, they have it ready to go when they let it out.
The only thing is here they have to generate more than just a few bombs and trains because in order to be terrorists, they have to do something worse than 911.
If they come along and kill 30, people in the United States will go, well, they killed 30.
And it also may provoke a reaction they don't want in that area where the atrocity was committed.
So my feeling is that, yes, they are working on young Americans.
And there's one in this British thing that evidently is not of Islamic extraction.
He's from Jamaica, although he may be from the area.
I just understood he was from Jamaica, and I don't know.
Let me ask you this.
I've got just about a minute and a half here, Bill, but let me ask you this.
The Democrats in this country are trying to establish great solidarity with the Islamo-fascists around the world and those that are in this country by having sympathy for the way they're treated in our prisons.
Will this not protect us?
Will the Democrats not protect us by criticizing our own prison treatment at Abu Ghrab and Gitmo?
No, because the one thing that you must do when working with or against Islamic people is you have to establish respect, and they only respect you if you're strong.
Bin Laden's statement about the strong horse over the weak horse.
Once you've allowed yourself to be subordinated to their desires, you're no longer strong.
You're no longer worthy as a friend or an adversary.
So wringing our hands, as Senator Durbin and Senator Levin do, over the way we're treating prisoners is only making them laugh at us and think they have a better shot at us.
Yes, and had we not gone into Iraq, they still would be gathering recruits because we had done nothing beyond Afghanistan.
And, I mean, they're still sweating over, you know, the Crusades.
So, I mean, that's so long ago we can't apologize for it.
We simply need to move on and get rid of them as fast as we can and convert the ones that we can by changing these centers of gravity around the world.
Well, toll order because we're not unified in this country to that purpose.
In fact, there's a political party in this country that's doing its best to convince as many Americans as possible that there's no real war on terror anyway, that 9-11 happened in a vacuum.
It may not have even happened at all, for all intents and purposes, and that we're causing everything else that happened since.
Yes, George Bush caused all this.
George Bush responsible for the bombings in London because why?
He went into Iraq.
Bush is creating these terrorists.
It's not these little mind sessions that are occurring with Islamist leaders and these little kids.
No, no, no.
George Bush is creating these terrorists.
I know this, folks, because that's what the Democrats in my country are saying.
Nancy Pelosi has said it.
Chuck Schumer has said it.
Bush is responsible for creating these terrorists.
It's horrible.
And we need to do something about this.
And I think Joe Wilson's just the god.
Back after this.
Stay with us.
I even found a better William Sapphire column on all of this Joe Wilson business.
It's from July 19th of last year, just about exactly a year ago.
And I'll share the details with you when we come back after this break at the top of the hour.
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