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July 6, 2005 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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July 6, 2005, Wednesday, Hour #3
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Want to thank uh affiliate in Chicago, WLS.
When I was growing up, it was the Big 89.
But is now WLS News Talk 89 or 890 in the uh morning show today, Don Wade and Roma.
Uh by the way, Roma's son is on his second tour of duty in Iraq.
And in August will be promoted to lieutenant colonel.
So Dur uh Durbin here talking to uh Don Wade and Roma.
And Roma said to him, Senator, we we we've got tons of emails here from soldiers in Iraq saying that your comments have endangered their lives.
What's your response?
I read that memo, and the memo talked about interrogators.
It never spoke about soldiers.
Because honestly, what I have learned in reading a book uh about uh an army uh soldier, linguist who was at Guantanamo, most of the interrogation is being done by those who work for intelligence agencies and private contractors.
So to suggest that the interrogators were soldiers is something I don't know and never said, and I wouldn't say.
I don't know that any soldiers were involved in this.
And then he added this.
This Al Jazeera, it's interesting.
This was something that was said early on by a lot of people who were critical of me.
We checked it out, and it turned out that nothing that I said was on the Arabic version of Al Jazeera until the fifth day of criticism, which came out primarily from Limbaugh and uh from the Washington Times.
So he's back to blaming me.
He's bla is the fact that I publicized what he said took five days to get up on Al Jazeera.
Senator, the fact that it was on Al Jazeera is what ought to alarm you.
Not how it got there.
Can you believe here is a guy who says what he says from the floor of the Senate.
Senator Durbin, if you didn't want anybody to hear you say this, why did you say it on the floor of the Senate?
What do you expect to happen when you say things on the floor of the Senate when C-span cameras are televising this?
Uh well, I know nothing happens when Carrie says things on the floor of the Senate, but but this, I mean, that this this was gonna have legs.
But but this is this is sort of like me saying something on this program, and then a couple days later, everybody knowing about it, and my blaming a listener for spreading it around.
How sensible would that be?
That'd be absolutely ridiculous.
Suppose I make some outrageous statement here, and then two or three days later the press calls me.
Did you really say what you how did you hear about this?
Well, I mean, I heard a listener of yours was telling me the use.
That listener shouldn't have told you that.
The only reason you know about this is because my listener heard it.
No, you know about it because I would have said it.
So Senator Durbin still backing off, still trying to blame others for his words.
Still trying I mean, these guys live and die for publicity.
They live and die to have their words broadcast all over the place.
But in this case, uh Senator Durbin wants to blame the uh the messenger, as it were.
Let's go back, shall we?
As Durbin describes the treatment of the terrorists that he thinks is so horrible.
On one occasion, the air conditioning had been turned down so far that the temperature was so cold in the room that the barefooted detainee was shaking with cold.
On another occasion, the air conditioner had been turned off, making the temperature in the unventilated room well over a hundred degrees.
Taney was almost unconscious on the floor with a pile of hair next to him.
He had apparently been literally pulling his hair out throughout the night.
On another occasion, not only was the temperature unbearably hot, but extremely loud rap music was being played in the room and had been since the day before, with the detainee chained hand in foot in the fetal position on the tile floor.
Now, here, here is Senator Durbin and his comparison of our soldiers to the Nazis and Stalin and Pol Pot one more time.
If I read this to you and didn't tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have happened by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime, Paul Potter others that had no concern for human beings.
Sadly, that's not the case.
This was the action of Americans, you know, in treatment of our their old prisoners.
Senator Durbin said on WLS this morning that he wasn't talking about uh soldiers.
Oh, no, no, no.
He was talking about interrogators.
What I hear here is the word Americans.
I hear the word Americans.
I don't hear a distinction between interrogators and soldiers.
And I also, again, I mean, I have to take issue with this that if you listen to the description of the torture, AC had been turned off, temperature in the unventilated room well over a hundred degrees, detainee almost unconscious with a pile of floor and hair uh on a floor next to him, uh, literally pulling his hair out through the night.
Temperature was unbearably hot, but extremely loud rap music was being I would never associate any of this with Paul Pot or Stalin or the Nazis because prisoners there didn't live.
Prisoners there didn't pull their own hair out, they had their heads cut off.
They had their hair pulled out, they had bamboo shoots ripped under their fingernails.
I I it it this is just it continues to be absurd.
Uh and the Senator cannot escape his own words.
He can try to blame me and the Washington Times or whoever else he wants to blame for broadcasting his word, but he said them.
And he eventually had to apologize.
Let us listen once again to his apology.
I made reference to the Nazis, to the Soviets, and other repressive regimes.
Mr. President, it is very clear that even though I thought I had said something that clarified the situation, to many people, it was still unclear.
I'm sorry if anything that I said caused any offense or pain to those who have such bitter memories of the Holocaust, the greatest moral tragedy of our time.
Nothing, nothing should ever be said to demean or diminish that moral tragedy.
Now, if he wasn't talking about soldiers, why is he apologizing?
If he if he was only talking about interrogators, and they really did this, why is he apologizing?
And let's not forget, he's not apologizing for what he said, he's apologizing that you might have been offended by it.
He didn't take back his words, he didn't he didn't retract anything.
And uh, you know, here's another portion of his uh apology, and this is where he teared up.
I'm also sorry if anything I said in any way cast a negative light on our fine men and women in the military.
I went to Iraq just a few months ago with Senator Harry Reid on a delegation, bipartisan delegation.
The president was part of it.
When you look into the eyes of those soldiers, you see your son, you see your daughter.
They're the best.
I never ever intended any disrespect for them.
Some may believe that my remarks crossed the line.
To them, I extend my heartfelt apologies.
He's apologizing the soldiers there, but he never meant soldiers.
He meant uh interrogators, regardless, they're all part of the military.
But there you have it, Senator Durbin on WLS in Chicago this morning, continuing to blame me for this situation in which he uh has found himself.
Uh, we have a poll from Rasmussen, uh, ladies and gentlemen.
Fifty-one percent of American adults approve of the way George W. Bush is performing his role as president.
This is the first time his approval rating is topped 50% since June the 10th.
Forty-eight percent disapprove of the president's Performance.
It remains to be seen uh whether this improvement reflects the lasting uh uh change or is merely a statistical noise.
Senator Hillary Rodham, viewed favorably by 40% of Americans, unfavorably by 40% of Americans in the Rasmussen poll.
Uh I didn't I see a poll the other day to hit her up at fifty-eight percent or some such thing?
Or fifty-two, and everybody was hailing this poll, she's overcome all this is the greatest reversal of fortune we've ever seen, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Anyway, now the president's approval numbers are gone up.
wonder why this is.
Anybody have any idea why his approval numbers might have gone up out there?
How about a speech?
How about a speech, folks?
He went out, he made a speech on the Iraq war.
He was forceful, he was decisive, and his numbers go up.
How about that?
How about them apples?
Quick time out.
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Here from Youngstown, Ohio is Carmen.
Great to have you on the program, sir.
Welcome.
Thanks, Rush.
Listen, I just want to say, you know, it's it's facile to blame a Democrat what a Democrat had said uh, you know, as far as having an effect on the award on the war.
And and and I agree, what he said was undeniably idiotic.
But you had better hold accountable President Bush for a year and a half ago landing on an aircraft carrier, declaring that the end of major combat was over, assuring both Americans and parents of service men and women.
And you'd also better hold them accountable for making the idiotic comment, bring it on when learning first learning about the insurgency, or or pre or vice president Cheney for saying that the insurgency was in its last throws.
Are you going to tell me that didn't have an effect on the insurgency of what's going on in Iraq?
Carmen, what I'm going to tell you is that you don't understand human nature and you don't understand war.
And you probably couldn't keep a criminal out of your house.
You probably couldn't keep a criminal out of your backyard, out of your neighborhood with this attitude of yours.
It's simply appalling.
You are afraid of bad people.
You're afraid to label them who they are.
You're afraid to encourage good versus evil because you're afraid it'll only make evil angrier, and then they can't be beaten.
So you're a defeatist and you're a fatalist, and you don't understand how evil is dealt with.
I said nothing about Durban fueling the insurgency.
We all know why the insurgency is there.
This is the last stand for terrorism.
It's taking place in Iraq.
Bush landing on an aircraft carrier, Bush saying bring it on, did nothing but motivate our troops, congratulate our troops for a job well done, and motivate them and mobilize them to keep going.
Saying bring it on is simply saying we're not afraid of you, and we're not gonna stand down, and we're not gonna let you to continue murdering 3,000 of our citizens at a time, Carmen.
That's all it means.
Durbin did not, as far as I know, nobody's accused Durbin of exciting or encouraging the insurgents.
What he has done is demoralize American troops by taking the side of the enemy.
It's very clear.
The insurgents are gonna do what they do because they're ideologically motivated.
The thing you've got to understand, Carmen, is that the insurgents, the terrorists, do what they do before Bush even became elected governor of Texas, much less president.
The terrorists were doing this throughout the 1990s when Bill Clinton wasn't doing diddly squat stop it.
When Bill Clinton didn't even talk about it, when Bill Clinton was cutting and running out of Mogadishu, that's what encouraged the terrorists.
Blackhawk down Carmen, take a look at the movie, read the book if you want.
Bin Laden has said when he saw that, when he saw that a warlord in a third world country was able to make the big U.S. cut and run, he knew he could beat us.
And who was running the show back then?
It was a guy who was not even talking about it.
He was out in the Oval Office getting BJs and playing around with cigars.
And holding big orgies disguised as state dinners every month or so in the White House.
You've got to get your head right about this.
You do not understand how these people are dealt with.
What Durban said, and what all of the Democrats are doing, criticizing Americans, and not criticizing the enemy, and not being critical of any of the practices of the enemy, and not being particularly upset publicly about what the enemy is doing to American prisoners, civilians, and military people.
What the enemy is doing at World Trade Center.
They're trying to act like that never happened, Carmen.
They're trying to pretend that that issue never happened so that they can make Bush appear to be a renegade cowboy out as a warmonger.
You're gonna have to start looking at this the right way.
You and a bunch of other Americans that look at this through a perverted lens the way you are, because you made about as much sense on this program as my cat would have made trying to talk to me about terrorism.
Mark in Sioux Falls, South Dakota.
Welcome to the program.
Are you still there, sir?
Yes, sir, right here.
Okay.
All right.
I'm on my cell phone.
Uh I was just calling about Senator Durbin's uh excuse, you know, saying that uh he wasn't blaming our soldiers.
He's he's still blaming us.
Either the FBI, the CIA, uh possibly Delta Force, because they're known for uh uh uh going around in uh in civilian clothes instead of um uh uniforms.
So his his excuse doesn't pass.
He's he's he's uh accusing the guys that are on the front line of being torturers.
Exactly.
Am I making any sense at all?
Yeah, well, of course you're making sense.
If I understand it, you're making sense, and it's not my cat talking to me.
Okay.
All right.
Well, that's that's all I had to say, Russ.
Um keep up the good work.
I I look it, you're you're exactly right.
Durbin trying to parse his words after the fact.
If if he's still parsing his words, why did he apologize?
You know, what he should have said to Don Wade in Roma is in well, what was their question?
The question to him was, we had tons of emails from soldiers in Iraq saying your comments have endangered their lives.
What's your response?
I'm sorry.
I didn't mean for that to happen.
He still he starts making the case and starts blaming me all over.
It's just like his apology never happened.
So, you know, you I I haven't seen anything from Senator Durbin yet that that he regrets saying it.
All he has said is that he rejects or or or uh feels sorry uh for the uh feelings that his words caused.
And this is Marty in Springfield, Virginia.
You are next.
Great to have you with us, sir.
Rush, hi, thanks.
Privilege.
Look, um, I wanted to ask you uh again about the court situation.
Have you seen any polls or do you have a feel for what the public opinion is out there on that eminent domain decision?
Because I I I about a week and a half ago, Leno had uh Schwarz uh uh Governor Schwarzenegger uh on.
And uh Leno quoted a poll.
That was the day of the decision of the day after.
He claimed it was like 94% against.
And I uh you know, I didn't see anything.
I wondered if you did, because I don't know why the uh George Bush or the Senate couldn't capitalize on that.
Well, you know, with if you had a sense of the Senate resolution, you can make the Democrats either come out and say it was a great decision or we're gonna be able to do that.
Well, no, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold hold it just a second.
What what's hap what's happening here where that is concerned, there are all kinds of movements at state levels in this country designed to deal with this decision.
Uh it's happening in Florida, it's happening in California, it's happening in a number of places because this this decision empowered state governments.
There's really a whole lot that Congress can do about this.
Uh uh and other than utter some words.
Let me just answer your question in general.
I don't need a poll on this.
This is basic.
This is understanding.
If you don't have the right to claim your property as yours when you own it, then we don't have freedom in this country.
And you don't need to go to school to understand that.
You don't need some pointy-headed intellectual college professor or some teacher somewhere else explaining this one to you, just like you didn't have to have some uh some uh accredited college explain the house bank scandal to people.
This is back pocket understandable.
I haven't seen a whole lot of polls on this, uh, but I can I can tell you that the um uh the people of this country paid notice of it.
They were outraged by it, and there are already steps being taken in a number of local communities to see to it that what happened in New London, Connecticut does not happen uh in uh in their states and in their neighborhoods and so forth.
Uh and let me tell you something.
This guy that has uh made a move to uh uh put together a consortium of hotel developers to buy David Souter's house.
I mean, that that right that that there alone will tell you uh the impact that this decision had.
So I I wouldn't I wouldn't and and by the way, you're not gonna have uh by I think it's by custom by tradition, you're not gonna have the president belly aching about a Supreme Court decision immediately after it happens.
He'll do it in some other context when he appoints a nominee.
He might cite some of the recent cases of the court that uh he's troubled by, but probably he wouldn't do it himself.
He has minions would do it or leave it to the senators in a confirmation process uh or what have you.
But I even even at that.
One of the things that I have, and I don't have a whole lot, one of the things I have is empathy.
I'm I'm I'm able to understand what a lot of people are thinking based it's just you know it's a natural gift, folks.
Uh and on this, I know that there are people out there fit to be tied.
Still, I because the property rights movement has been around a long time, and people have been angry, and this is just one of the last straws.
Making the complex understandable.
Here on the Excellence in Broadcasting Network, this is Jamal in Sacramento, again, my adopted hometown.
Hi, Jamal.
Hi, I wash.
Great John Blesner, first time caller.
Uh I was just, you know, uh regarding the comment there was uh about uh what's his name?
Uh uh Durban.
Yes, Durban.
Can you hear me now?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh in you that is against our president is interpreted on forecast right away.
Not only I'm not a Zira, but also in French channels, including also newspapers in the entire Arab world.
Well, exactly.
I mean, this is this is again I'm I'm glad you called and made that point, Jamal.
The idea that only me, that I I'm the only reason that the Durban's comments made it on Al Jazeera and the and the rest of the international media is absurd.
They covered this.
Didn't show up for five days late.
Well, it doesn't matter.
They were there and they knew about it.
It doesn't matter.
It ended up there.
If he was if he's embarrassed that it ended up there, then why say it in the first place?
I mean, that is the bottom line.
Ladies and gentlemen, uh a brief change of direction here.
And we'll get back to this in a moment because we have some people phone calls.
But I just I just got hold of a piece of news here that that uh well it's important news, and it it it's something I want to share with you.
Can I take you back to um early uh days of this program?
Actually, when I was in Sacramento, I first became aware of an organization called No CERC.
Uh the organization acronym, no CERC stands for the National Organization of Circumcision Information Resource Centers.
And their their objective was to stamp out circumcision to get rid of it.
And they had video tapes and they had charts and crafts, they had all kinds of things to try to make their case.
An actual lobbying group.
They had a president.
I always wondered how do you end up as president of an anti-circumcision group.
Well, what is it in your ambition?
At what point in your life did you say, you know what, I want to run no circle someday.
I want to be in charge of ridding the world of circumcision.
Can you imagine when your parents asked you a little kid, little Johnny, what do you want to be when you grow up?
Well, uh, I I want to stamp out circumcision, Dad.
Which is hard for me to understand.
But this group was all over the place out there, and and of course, uh, as an activist group, the media was always friendly toward these people and considered their cause just.
Oh, we should examine this.
Well, interestingly, this story today is from the San Francisco Chronicle.
Here's the headline Circumcision may offer Africa AIDS hope.
The procedure of circumcision linked to a much lower rate of new HIV infections.
French and South African AIDS researchers have called an early halt to a study of adult male circumcision to reduce HIV infection after initial results reportedly showed that men who had the procedure dramatically lowered their risk of contracting the virus.
The study's preliminary results disclosed today by the Wall Street Journal showed that circumcision reduced the risk of contracting HIV by 70%, a level of protection far better than the 30% risk reduction set as a target for an AIDS vaccine.
According to the newspaper account, the study underway in Orange Farm Township, South Africa, was stopped because the results were so favorable.
It was deemed unethical to continue the trial after an early peek at data showed that the uncircumcised men were so much more likely to become infected.
All of the men in the study had been followed for a year, and half the men had been followed for the full 21 months called for in the original study design.
Begun in August of 2002, the experiment is one of three closely watched clinical trials in Africa to determine whether there is scientific merit to nearly three dozen less rigorously controlled studies showing that circumcised men were much less likely to become HIV positive.
So here you I mean, who would have thought this?
If you get circumcised in Africa, you got 70% uh less chance of contracting the HIV virus.
Now, what's this gonna do to the no CERC crowd?
You have to think about these things.
This is news that no CERC is not going to want to hear.
This is news that no Circ may in fact try to stamp out.
And what's the condom industry going to say about this?
Do you realize that circumcision may rank second only to abstinence in helping spread or stop spread the dreaded HIV virus?
Mr. Snurley, don't ask me how it works.
I'm not I I couldn't, I couldn't begin to give you the physiology of this.
Only you would be sitting in there trying to picture this.
Only you would be sitting in there trying to imagine what the difference is.
I couldn't begin to tell you.
All I know is that this is such good news that it's going to upset a whole bunch of people that have money invested on the opposite.
Condom crowd's not going to like this.
It's the UN.
And uh there's folks, I hate to say this, but you know there is a religious component to this.
And it's it's there's good there's there's gonna be some people here that are not going to be happy with this result, just wanted to just wanted to pass this on to you.
I'll be eager to see the no circ reaction uh to uh to uh to this news.
Have you heard about this?
This is I mean, in one in one sense, I've been laughing myself silly all day over this.
In another sense, it's just sad as it can be.
Wind farm operators in the Altamont Pass in California are offering to shut down half of their electricity producing windmills during the winter to reduce bird deaths, and to replace them all with more modern machines within 13 years.
The proposal, however, which Alameda County officials will consider on Thursday, comes with strings attached.
The offer is good only if an environmental group drops its lawsuit over the deaths of thousands of birds.
Well, who's responsible for the wind farms in the first place?
The environmentalist wackos.
But it's not just birds.
Do you know what kind of birds are being wiped out in these windmills?
Bald eagles.
The national bird is being wiped out by these environmentalist wackos windmills.
All to produce electricity and to conserve other forms of energy, less pollution.
But for every reaction, there is a counter-reaction.
So bald eagles are among those that have been wiped out.
Get this.
A California Energy Commission study estimated that wind turbines in the Alderm Pass area kill between 881 and 1,300 birds of prey every year, including as many as 116 federally protected golden eagles, not bold golden eagles.
116 golden eagles a year.
They're on the endangered species, well, the protected list.
And the environmentalist black.
That's why it's funny, but it's sad.
I mean, this is a national bird.
Here's Ray in Fairfax, Virginia.
Your next Ray.
Welcome to the uh Rush Limbaugh program.
Hello, Rosh.
Hey, it's a great honor to talk to you.
I've been listening for a long time.
Thank you, sir.
It's the first time I called, but it's really the first time I've gotten true, so still counts as first time calling, right?
Glad you made it.
Listen, um you know, not only does our illustrious Senator Durbin uh uh demoralize our troops, but he does something else as along with his uh followers and that is he gives hope to our enemy.
Now can you imagine if uh if the United States was united like we're supposed to be against our enemy so that we're all speaking in one voice.
We may not agree, but we but when it comes to uh our enemy, we always agree.
Now if the if the enemy feels it's being defeated, uh it might cut and run, but if it feels like it has hope that it's not as long as there there's there's an a movement in our country that could create um us to stop the fight, then they have hope and they continue to fight.
What do you think of that?
I think you're exactly right.
I think you have nailed it.
I think you have just hammered it home.
If we were unified, it would send a signal not just to the terrorists, but the whole rest of the world to get on our side.
But with guys like Durbin and most of the Democrats and a kook democrat base from move on.org to George Soros to whoever else, you are damn right.
It encourages the enemy.
Because they know that their real power is dividing us.
And the more they're able to divide us, the stronger they get.
That is an excellent point.
I'm glad you made it.
We'll be back, folks, in mere moments.
A brief EIB profit center.
I should say obscene profit center timeout coming up right after this.
So be back.
Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper has um agreed to testify in the uh in the case of the CIA leak, the leak of the name of Valerie Plane, which is just laughable.
I mean, this woman is now, you know, she's posing for her, you know, pictures have been taken by Vanity Fair without her sunglasses.
Everybody knows who she is.
She's still the CIA, but she's been reassigned, she's no longer uh uh uh foreign agents uh whatever she was.
Uh but Judith Miller of the New York Times will not reveal her sources.
Uh and uh she most likely will go to jail.
Matt Cooper won't.
Uh he told the judge that he's ready to accept whatever the judge's ruling is.
Uh, but he will testify.
That means he's got to testify, but uh Judith Miller will not.
Uh in Tampa, this is Ken, you're next on the EIB network, sir.
Welcome and great to have you with us.
Hey Rush, how are you doing?
Dead O'Shell.
Uh fine and dandy, thank you.
Excellent.
Uh simple solution for the birds.
They um are going to get on the pylon that holds the blade on.
So they're flying in between the blades to get to them, which is killing them.
So you build the pylon higher than the actual length of the blade, and you won't have any birds killed except maybe that one that kept flying to your windows years ago down in Fort Lauderdale.
Sounds a good idea to me, but the people in charge here said it'll take thirteen years to get all these things rebuilt.
Well, but you gotta do what you gotta do to save the American bald eagle, right?
Well, that means shut down the windmills uh during the the migration period when they're flying through the area.
You can do them one at a time.
Uh do uh uh build one windmill back at a time.
Uh have you been out of top of these?
Have you seen have you seen these windmill farms out there?
Yes, there's uh bunches of them.
I mean it's it's it's it's unreal.
I mean when I when I got to California, I was dri I drove out there when I moved out there in ninety-four, and I I took the southern route uh through New Mexico and Arizona to avoid snowstorms, and I ran into a bunch of snowstorms and flagstaff anyway.
Uh but I'm driving up California on I-5, and I'm the everywhere you look.
There's windmill farms everywhere.
And I said, What I got to where I was going.
So, what what what is this?
Oh, yeah, it's a power generation.
Does it work?
No.
Every everybody everybody talks, nah, it doesn't generate much of anything.
So now they want to take all that and just abandon it completely.
Lose all that.
Uh no, but uh Tace, you you talk about the fact that the you need to build a perch up higher because that's what they're trying to do.
These I these things are not turning so fast that a bird couldn't see them.
It's not like a propeller on an airplane where you really can't see it.
Correct.
And I can understand a bird flying into a propeller on an airplane, but these things are they're big and they're not moving that fast.
They're not they're not uh uh going around so fast that they uh really can't be seen.
I mean I've I've I've never seen 'em uh, you know, you know, that fast.
So I d I don't know that that actually is um is the answer.
I mean I I can't begin to explain to you why a bird would fly into a a uh windmill uh uh unless it can't see it, but uh so many of them out there.
I I I there there probably is a reason why it happens, and uh and the birds are focused on something else uh and then they get caught it because if they could see it uh or were looking at it, well, who knows?
They're birds, and their brains are about the size of an acorn.
So who you know, who really knows?
Victoria in Shelby, North Carolina.
Well, they are.
They're not very big brains.
I mean, you can't put a whole lot of data in there.
Uh Victoria in Shelby, North Carolina.
Hello and welcome to the program.
Hi, Rush.
Uh I had a little comment about the uh circumcision issue in Africa.
Um I just wonder if it's reducing the AIDS uh statistics because they're not as desirable sexually, but I don't know how the African social culture works, so uh let me see if I understand what you're saying.
You're saying that the reason more African men are not circumcised is that circumcision is less sexually attractive.
To the African female.
Well, yeah, that's what I mean.
Yeah, I mean, I so I don't know how the statistics are.
I don't assume these guys are making love to themselves.
I'd like to see it.
Uh but but if that if that's the case, but I don't yeah.
So I assume you're talking about women.
I'm not qualified.
Yeah.
I'm not really of all the questions we get about this.
The thing is, I just don't know if the if it would transfer.
Victoria, you know, I would I would love to ask you so many questions because you know women remain the biggest mystery in life to me.
So here you are, you're out there in Shelby, North Carolina, and I know some women in North Carolina, and I don't know them any better than I know you, and I just met you.
And you hear a story on circumcision related to AIDS, and your first thought is sexual attractiveness one way or the other.
So I I have a lot of other questions.
Like I give you a circumstance, a situation, a mental picture, and I say, Victoria, what's your first thought of this?
You realize you could almost be the sister I never had.
Well, anyway, my thing is I don't know if it would have the same effect in the U.S. Because you Well, you're the one that could tell us.
I don't have enough experience to to go there.
You had enough experience to ask the question.
You have enough experience for the whole question to pop into your mind.
Oh, that's just from my research from having kids, you know, deciding whether mine were gonna be.
What is circumcision have to do with having kids?
Well, you know, if you have a boy, you have to decide are you gonna have them circumcised or not?
Oh, oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
For I've never had kids.
Thank God.
So I have that didn't see.
Didn't didn't cross my mind.
Right.
Uh well, what have you decided?
Have you had you had a son or two?
I have one son and he is circumcised, and if I have another son, he won't be circumcised.
Would not?
Right.
Why?
Would not be.
Why?
I just I guess there's not really much point to go through the risk of it, so the risk.
Well, yeah, I mean, with any surgery, there's gonna be risk.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, you're just talking about general generalized risk here.
Right.
All right.
Well, I'll tell you what, you have raised an interesting question.
Uh maybe there is some cultural bias that uh that says it is uh less manly.
That's why I think there's a religious component to this too.
Uh because a lot of circumcision is done for religious belief, depending on your religion.
Uh so it may it may well be a factor.
But you know, you you you you also put it out there, hey, do this, and you reduce your chances of getting AIDS by 70 percent.
That's a powerful motivator uh in a country like Africa where it is the HIV virus so widespread.
Victoria, I cannot tell you how appreciative I am of your call and uh and your perspective.
And you have made Mr. Snerdley's day.
We'll be back after this.
Stay with us.
Uh talk about this tomorrow, folks.
Uh meant to get to it today, but didn't have a chance.
Mart Kondraki had uh column recently that uh most young people share in uh the whole concept of the American dream, but that they may be mistaken in doing so.
Uh that's just the the headline, and I uh the the detail details of this pretty interesting.
Uh but he's the executive editor of Roll Call, by the way, and this is the kind of story it's right up our alley.
We believe in this country, the greatness of this country, the greatness of this country's people.
And so I'll get to that tomorrow, along with whatever else is made news between now and then.
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