RadixJournal - Richard Spencer - The Red Pill in Reverse
Aired: 2026-04-18
Duration: 35:51


=== The Red Pill Phenomenon (07:56) ===

[00:00:00]  Our alliance with Israel as an existential threat to the United States.
[00:00:04]  It will nuke the entire world.
[00:00:06]  Israel is the biggest threat to world peace.
[00:00:09]  Let us never forget who the real enemy is.
[00:00:13]  The enemy is Israel.
[00:00:14]  We need to decouple from this country.
[00:00:17]  We need to decouple.
[00:00:19]  Decouple.
[00:00:19]  Let's separate.
[00:00:20]  We need to free America from this sick, perverse, parasitic organism that has attached itself to us.
[00:00:32]  Foreign nationals leeching off.
[00:00:34]  I think that's actually enough.
[00:00:36]  You get the point.
[00:00:39]  So let me get the conversation started here by throwing out a few things.
[00:00:52]  First off, it is interesting that both of these figures, who are representative of broader movements, left liberals on the part of Anna Kasparian, and white nationalists or the dissident right, et cetera, on the part of Nick Fuentes.
[00:01:09]  They're both representatives.
[00:01:11]  They're not just two individuals, might agree.
[00:01:13]  They both have come to Trump rather recently.
[00:01:18]  Well, it's complicated with Nick.
[00:01:20]  He didn't endorse Trump after the Vance nomination, and he's critical of Trump.
[00:01:25]  But let's also just be honest here.
[00:01:30]  They're sort of attached at the hip.
[00:01:32]  And I don't think Nick could ever fully emancipate himself from MAGA.
[00:01:39]  And he will often make arguments like Trump isn't going far enough.
[00:01:44]  There's not enough deportations.
[00:01:46]  We got to have more of these, and so on and so forth.
[00:01:48]  So, there is a deep connection between Nick and MAGA that will never go away.
[00:01:54]  One day we'll have a real America First candidate or something.
[00:01:57]  This is the rhetoric.
[00:01:58]  With Anna Kasparian, it's very interesting because they were the prototypical crying on election night when Hillary lost type people.
[00:02:07]  And then they started moving closer to Trump and were at the very least anti Biden and might have even affected the election to some small, if significant, degree.
[00:02:19]  Coaxing people not to vote or demoralizing them, et cetera.
[00:02:25]  There does seem to be a sort of Trumpian or post Trump populism of the left and right that is real, that has a constituency, and that is also young.
[00:02:40]  And we can go look at all of these polls, Harry Anton, CNN clips where he is just laying it out among under 40s.
[00:02:50]  Israel used to have a plus 20 favorability rating.
[00:02:54]  You know, many more people were favorable than critical.
[00:02:58]  Now it's negative 20 or negative 25.
[00:03:00]  It's in the dumpster, it's bad.
[00:03:03]  And there has just been this turning on Israel.
[00:03:06]  And I don't think it's wrong to suggest that when you turn on Israel, you're sort of, kind of, sort of anti Semitic.
[00:03:15]  I mean, it just is what it is.
[00:03:18]  Anna Kasparian has been accused of engaging in anti Semitic parodies and stereotypes, et cetera.
[00:03:25]  It just is what it is.
[00:03:27]  There's this other aspect that I think would be a good way to get the discussion going.
[00:03:33]  And you brought this up, which was that there was a time, there was a time, you understand, things were different.
[00:03:44]  And there was a red pilling.
[00:03:48]  Process that would go on.
[00:03:50]  And this was the chorus in o room for my career in life, which is that you keep taking darker shades of the red pill, or you take a bigger red pill or more red pills.
[00:04:06]  Maybe first you're red pilled on the fact that the liberals hate you or something like that.
[00:04:13]  And then you start to get red pilled on like women.
[00:04:19]  Feminism's bad.
[00:04:22]  Women are not delicate angels.
[00:04:27]  They're out to get you, et cetera.
[00:04:30]  Then you kind of take a deeper red pill and it's like, blacks, blacks are dumb, low IQs, there's nothing you can do.
[00:04:39]  And then you kind of keep going down this road of red pills and you end up with the ultimate red pill, which really is the JQ.
[00:04:49]  And it's some variation on it's a Jewish controlled world.
[00:04:55]  Jews are evolved to be evil in some way.
[00:04:59]  Judaism itself is rather wicked.
[00:05:02]  They're just some Jews in Hollywood, Jews in Wall Street.
[00:05:06]  Some version of that is the dark red pill.
[00:05:09]  And so there are people who are sort of half red pilled.
[00:05:12]  You know, Jared Taylor is half red pilled.
[00:05:14]  He's good on the black question, but not on the JQ.
[00:05:17]  That's the criticism.
[00:05:18]  And, you know, Ron Paul, he's semi red pilled, don't you think?
[00:05:23]  You know, I heard all of this kind of stuff.
[00:05:25]  But what we've seen, and I totally agree with your analysis here, is what we've seen is that that linear quality to being red pilled has been totally disrupted.
[00:05:38]  And I don't think it is even that useful anymore.
[00:05:45]  And what we seem, what seems to be happening among average normies, left liberals like Anna, People who voted for Zoran Mandami,
[00:06:00]  some people who voted for both Bernie Sanders and Trump, you know, it's a sizable percentage of the population, that they are weirdly JQ pilled without being red pilled on blacks or even feminism or things like that.
[00:06:17]  And I find this, I mean, this is sort of inside baseball in the sense that we're, you know, talking about the pipeline and which way it's going and what's happening online.
[00:06:29]  But I actually think it's very significant.
[00:06:32]  And looking at some of those polls, there's this clip that was getting going viral, getting millions of views of Harry Enton talking about under 40s going hard on Israel, people at the 2PPUSA convention asking questions about the USS Liberty.
[00:06:50]  I could go on and on.
[00:06:51]  What we seem to be seeing is that average normies, radicalized millennials who can never afford a house and they're now 40, Conservative activist types, religious right people, they're all getting JQ pilled without maybe any of the other pills.
[00:07:14]  And this seems to be a major social phenomenon.
[00:07:19]  Megyn Kelly got JQ pilled, at least to some degree.
[00:07:23]  Carrie Prasine Bowler is just an outright anti Semite at this point.
[00:07:30]  Like, what is happening?
[00:07:31]  What, you know, beyond just low IQ anti Semitism, like, what is happening here in terms of just a social phenomenon that we are seeing?
[00:07:43]  And I'll, now that I've set it up, I'll give it over to you.
[00:07:48]  So, there's a guy on Subsec called Non Zionism.
[00:07:52]  He's an Orthodox Jew who lives in Israel.

=== Beyond Low IQ Hate (07:57) ===

[00:07:56]  And he has this theory of anti Semitism.
[00:08:00]  But he's an anti Zionist?
[00:08:02]  No, he's a non Zionist.
[00:08:04]  A non Zionist, okay.
[00:08:05]  So, I mean, I could waste time talking about what that means.
[00:08:10]  But the point of the fact is that he has this theory of anti Semitism that if you go back to Germany after the First World War, even during the First World War, actually, if you read the memoirs of Ludendorff, And he created this fatherland party during the war, which was meant to like, because they recognized that there was this discontent in Germany.
[00:08:33]  There were food shortages, there were shortages of all sorts of goods.
[00:08:38]  Life was difficult, people were malnourished.
[00:08:42]  The war was extremely hard on the German population.
[00:08:45]  And so all of these socialists, Democrats, and radicals were agitating to end the war.
[00:08:51]  And they were agitating against the monarchy.
[00:08:53]  They were agitating against Christianity.
[00:08:55]  It seemed as if society itself was collapsing during the war.
[00:08:58]  And so Ludendorff came up with this program, which he said it would be a nationalistic program with the workers' interests.
[00:09:07]  Now, if that sounds familiar to you, it's because Hitler didn't invent the idea, right?
[00:09:12]  So this is an idea whose time had already come.
[00:09:16]  And Ludendorff attempted to implement that during the war, of course, sort of haphazardly.
[00:09:21]  It didn't have a systematic program.
[00:09:23]  Ludendorff was never the dictator of Germany, although.
[00:09:26]  The newspapers would call him the dictator.
[00:09:29]  You know, you, of course, had Hindenburg above him, and then you had the Kaiser and the parliament, and so on.
[00:09:35]  So he was never able to fully implement that program.
[00:09:38]  But it was, there was an attempt.
[00:09:41]  And what occurred after the disaster of the end of the war, where there's, you know, a million German civilians died after the war, people don't know this, but the British blockade starved civilians after the armistice.
[00:09:57]  Was signed, which, you know, if we were talking about the Gaza genocide, like the least you can say is that after the war ended, after the ceasefire, the Israelis started to let food in.
[00:10:06]  The British didn't do that.
[00:10:07]  So it was a desperate situation for these people.
[00:10:10]  And that formula of combining nationalism with the workers' interests, it wasn't, there was still something missing there because these two sides, the nationalists and the socialists, had really diverged significantly in the aftermath of there was a low grade civil war.
[00:10:28]  There were these Spartacist revolts.
[00:10:30]  There was the Freikorps fighting in the streets, the Cap Putsch.
[00:10:34]  So Germany was in a state of low grade civil war.
[00:10:37]  It wasn't happening everywhere all the time.
[00:10:39]  It wasn't, you know, there technically was a central government and so on.
[00:10:42]  But you would just see these cities, basically hundreds of people shooting each other in the streets, almost a form of gang warfare, just total chaos.
[00:10:52]  And so, as a result of that, this fatherland party ideal that Ludendorff was pushing for, he wasn't able to move it forward because of this deep division between the browns and the reds, between the nationalists and the socialists.
[00:11:04]  And this polarization only continued as the middle hollowed out, as the social democrats, who actually were the strongest party following the collapse, they started to whittle down because everyone blamed them for everything that had happened.
[00:11:19]  And as a result, you got the Nazis and the communists.
[00:11:25]  Being these two camps that were kind of inevitable that one of them was going to take over.
[00:11:32]  And so, what the Nazis, I think, realized early on in comparison with these other conservatives who were not so anti Semitic is they realized that anti Semitism serves a vital function.
[00:11:45]  If you're living in Germany between 1919 and 1929, you're experiencing three back to back Great Depression events economic collapse, hyperinflation, everyone loses all their life savings, 30% unemployment.
[00:11:59]  Breadlines.
[00:12:00]  If you're experiencing that, then you know in your heart that the elites have done you wrong.
[00:12:06]  And whether you're a communist, you know that's right.
[00:12:09]  Whether you're an anti Semite, you know that's right.
[00:12:12]  The only people who couldn't say that so boldly were these kind of stolgy old conservatives who said, Oh, well, you know, we just need the monarchy back.
[00:12:21]  You know, the aristocrats had it right.
[00:12:23]  You know, the first world war wasn't that bad.
[00:12:27]  Let's just return to what we had.
[00:12:28]  That argument was not convincing.
[00:12:31]  And so, anti Semitism, what it did is it went to the communists and said, You know, you guys believe that the bourgeoisie and the capitalists, Are responsible for everything wrong.
[00:12:41]  And we say, you're half right.
[00:12:43]  You're half right.
[00:12:44]  What you're missing is the fact that they're Jewish.
[00:12:46]  And then you could go to the nationalists.
[00:12:47]  You could say, you know, you believe that the problem is the attacks on Christianity and it's communism and it's the destruction of the family and all this.
[00:12:55]  And you're half right.
[00:12:56]  But what you don't recognize is it's the Jews.
[00:12:58]  And so they could go to both of these sides who were supposedly on total polar opposites fighting each other in the streets and say, you actually have a common enemy in the Jews.
[00:13:08]  Now, of course, the Nazis literally believed that to be true.
[00:13:12]  They weren't just.
[00:13:13]  Making a propagandistic point, but what he's saying is that this ideology emerged to become so popular because it was so useful.
[00:13:21]  And if you actually look at Nazi Germany from 1933 until 1945, there was no workers' uprising, there was no communist revolt, it didn't happen in the Wehrmacht, it didn't happen in the civil service, it was totally quiet.
[00:13:35]  Now, yes, they put thousands of leading communists in concentration camps, but there were millions of communist voters in 1932.
[00:13:43]  Where did they all go?
[00:13:44]  Well, they became Nazis.
[00:13:45]  Why?
[00:13:46]  Because they were actually convinced.
[00:13:48]  Their minds were changed.
[00:13:49]  They were persuaded to believe that, yeah, you know, this whole time we were fighting for workers' rights.
[00:13:55]  And as it turned out, I guess Hitler was right.
[00:13:57]  I guess it was the Jews because he had this economic miracle following 1934.
[00:14:02]  There was German rearmament, hyper, you know, rather than hyperinflation, you had hyperemployment.
[00:14:08]  You had growth in the economy because he restarted the arms industry and had all these programs and plans that.
[00:14:15]  You know, had he not started the war in 1939, maybe there would have been, you know, some, all the enormous government debt would have shown itself to have made those economic programs not as successful.
[00:14:28]  But in any case, the argument, they were convinced by that argument.
[00:14:33]  The actual people who revolted against Hitler were not communists, they were not socialists, they were Catholics.
[00:14:39]  It was Admiral Canaris, and all these assassination attempts were done by Catholics, elites.
[00:14:44]  Why?
[00:14:46]  Because they saw Hitler as trying to create a new elite and replace them.
[00:14:50]  And they heard whisperings of this.
[00:14:52]  You look at Martin Bormann, atheist, Joseph Goebbels, atheist, Himmler, esoteric paganist.
[00:14:58]  All of these people in the tops ranks of the Nazis, they were basically saying, once we win this war, we're going to deal with the Catholic question.
[00:15:05]  We've already dealt with the Jewish question.
[00:15:07]  Now we need to deal with the Catholic question.
[00:15:09]  The theologist, you could say, of the Third Reich, Rosenberg, explicitly attacked these people and said, you know what, we've got to get rid of the Catholics and the Protestants.
[00:15:19]  We need a new.
[00:15:20]  Form of Christianity.
[00:15:21]  We have to get rid of all of these people.
[00:15:22]  So, the people who were the most threatened by Hitler were these Catholic elites, essentially, if you actually look at who was doing all the attempts at assassinating Hitler and so on.
[00:15:33]  So, all of that is to say that anti Semitism was really a very convincing, popular program.
[00:15:41]  The Nazis didn't adopt it because they were fringe weirdos and freaks, which is what a lot of people like to say of, oh, they tricked the German people.
[00:15:49]  No.
[00:15:50]  They went to the German people with candy bars and they said, Oh, we love candy.

=== GOP Anti-Semitism Contradiction (14:18) ===

[00:15:54]  You know, this is great.
[00:15:55]  This solves all of our problems.
[00:15:56]  It unites the country.
[00:15:57]  And so, what we're looking at now is in America, which is in a very different circumstance, right?
[00:16:02]  We have material plenty.
[00:16:04]  No one is starving.
[00:16:05]  In fact, all the poor people are obese.
[00:16:07]  So, we're not living in Weimar Germany, clearly.
[00:16:10]  But what we do have is an extreme political polarization of society because Christian, we could call it conservative liberalism or moderate politics.
[00:16:21]  All of that has collapsed.
[00:16:22]  You could blame the internet.
[00:16:24]  You could blame declining religiousness.
[00:16:26]  You could blame the break apart of the family or say that all these things have a third underlying cause.
[00:16:32]  The point is that we've lost that central trust in authority.
[00:16:35]  We have a crisis of authority.
[00:16:36]  And so the question is what unites us all?
[00:16:38]  If it's not Christianity, if it's not the Constitution, if it's not democracy, whatever, what can unite us?
[00:16:45]  Well, we could have a common enemy.
[00:16:46]  And if you're on the right, that common enemy can be Israel.
[00:16:49]  And if you're on the left, the common enemy can be Israel.
[00:16:52]  There is an interesting.
[00:16:54]  Kind of weird contradiction on both the left and right.
[00:17:00]  On the left, it's very obvious because, of course, you got George Soros, you've got innumerable Jews throughout American history, built the civil rights regime, and they have always been good leftists.
[00:17:12]  I think Batya Ungar Sargon, whatever the hell her name is, she makes this argument of, oh, the left, they're anti Semitic, but don't they know that we literally built the Democratic Party?
[00:17:23]  We did all this stuff.
[00:17:24]  And it's like, This weird self reporting bay.
[00:17:26]  The Jews are like, please shut up, Batia.
[00:17:28]  Please, you are not helping.
[00:17:32]  We did feminism.
[00:17:34]  We did lesbianism.
[00:17:35]  Right.
[00:17:35]  It's all Jews, all the way down.
[00:17:37]  We did, you know, you're welcome, left.
[00:17:41]  And like they're like actual pogroms outside of the television studio while she's talking.
[00:17:47]  Right.
[00:17:47]  Yeah.
[00:17:48]  I mean, it's very funny, but obviously on the left, there is that contradiction where it's like the Jews have been so important in the history of American leftism for the American left now to be anti Israel, anti Semitic seems kind of like, you know, the Gollum revolting against its master, sort of thing.
[00:18:08]  Right.
[00:18:08]  But then on the right, you also have a phenomenon going on where the right wing, Like the core young people, they are Groypers, they are anti Semitic, they are anti Israel.
[00:18:19]  And yet, who is this radical right being patronized?
[00:18:24]  It's by this network which is heavily Israeli, heavily pro Netanyahu, the entire Trump movement.
[00:18:29]  Like Nick Fuentes wants to make this argument like, well, back in 2016, Trump was based, but now he's cringed.
[00:18:37]  Now he's been captured by the GOP establishment.
[00:18:40]  But if you actually look at who started Breitbart and Bannon and Roger Stone and all roads go to Israel.
[00:18:48]  So, this is incredibly, it's a Jared Kushner operation through both terms.
[00:18:53]  It's completely, and they don't care.
[00:18:55]  Sheldon Adelson didn't care.
[00:18:57]  You know, whatever, these leading, important, wealthy families that backed him from the very start, they're all really tied in with Israel.
[00:19:07]  And so, it's very difficult to make this argument of, oh, we were hoodwinked.
[00:19:13]  No, you just didn't want to see what was in.
[00:19:16]  Front of you.
[00:19:17]  And so that continues to be the case today.
[00:19:19]  Whereas in the left, you could argue that maybe their hypocrisy runs the other way.
[00:19:24]  It's that, well, don't you understand that leftism is a Jewish project and you're somehow claiming to be a leftist, but you're anti Israel?
[00:19:31]  Like, how does that make sense?
[00:19:32]  Right.
[00:19:33]  So they have a historical problem.
[00:19:35]  For the right, it's the opposite.
[00:19:36]  It's that historically, the right wing was actually not so pro Israel.
[00:19:40]  Say what you will about George W. Bush, but he, you know, he didn't partition Iraq into three countries as Netanyahu was pushing for.
[00:19:49]  You heard that all the time of, you know, there's a Kurdish, Shiite, Sunni, and really they're three different countries and we should just split it up.
[00:19:56]  That was the Israeli plan for Iraq.
[00:19:58]  George Bush didn't do that.
[00:20:00]  He criticized Israel for violating human trafficking laws.
[00:20:04]  You know, they were, and they said, we want a two state solution.
[00:20:07]  We do not support settlements.
[00:20:09]  Those are illegal.
[00:20:10]  They're against international law.
[00:20:11]  We're going to be against that.
[00:20:12]  So, you know, George Bush actually, like the traditional Republican position, was not as radical as what Trump was doing.
[00:20:19]  And it continues in this direction.
[00:20:21]  He supported democratic rights in Gaza.
[00:20:24]  Remember, the reason why Hamas got elected and was ruling Gaza was 100% due to George W. Bush and his true belief that these Arabs should vote.
[00:20:38]  You know, I mean, which is, yeah.
[00:20:41]  I mean, this position that the GOP is moving in an anti Semitic or anti Zionist direction, there is a fundamental contradiction because you look at all of these, you can almost say that there was a GOP establishment and now there's a MAGA establishment.
[00:21:04]  At this point, they are so entrenched, they have so much money, they have so much power and influence.
[00:21:09]  Joe Rogan is in the MAGA establishment.
[00:21:12]  You know, Dave Smith, they're in the MAGA.
[00:21:14]  They pretend to be RFK, all these people who are dissidents.
[00:21:18]  We're on the front.
[00:21:19]  We're cool.
[00:21:20]  We're hippies.
[00:21:21]  It's like, you know what?
[00:21:22]  The hippies were manufactured by the CIA, and so are you.
[00:21:25]  You know, you're all the same.
[00:21:27]  It's all the same.
[00:21:27]  I mean, I'm exaggerating in conspiratorial fashion, but there is a point to it, which is that these people who most loudly have to proclaim that they're revolutionaries and they're outside the system.
[00:21:40]  They're at the top of the system.
[00:21:42]  One way I could put it is there is a left, there is a blue deep state, and there is a red deep state.
[00:21:48]  There is a deep state which is represented by Harvard and the State Department and is sort of anti Zionist and pro Taiwan and pro Ukraine.
[00:21:57]  And then there is a deep state that says, you know, well, we could make a lot of money by trading with Russia again.
[00:22:04]  We could make a lot of money, just give them Ukraine.
[00:22:07]  You know, these are the Peter Thiels and the Elon Musk and the Silicon Valley and all those things.
[00:22:12]  And that this emergence of these two parallel deep states that hate each other, they want to put one another in jail and so on.
[00:22:24]  They do have this contradictory relationship where, on the left, the leftist deep state basically starts with communist infiltration in the FDR administration, which was heavily Jewish.
[00:22:39]  And now they want to defund Israel.
[00:22:41]  Isn't that ironic?
[00:22:42]  Okay, well, on the right wing version of the deep state, They're also saying, oh, yeah, we're woke on the JQ, but you look at where all the funding is coming from, and it's all going back to Netanyahu, all this urbanism stuff.
[00:22:54]  Oh, it's based, it's white identitarianism, but it's all going back to Israel.
[00:23:00]  Why is that?
[00:23:00]  So on the right wing, I think the key thing people have to understand is that anti Semitism isn't bad for Israel.
[00:23:08]  And sometimes even anti Zionism isn't bad for Israel.
[00:23:11]  The question is the material conditions.
[00:23:14]  That's what Netanyahu cares about.
[00:23:16]  He doesn't care if you call him a dirty Jew.
[00:23:18]  He doesn't care if you say you should go into a gas chamber.
[00:23:21]  He actually likes it because the more of that rhetoric exists in public life, the more that Jews, mostly in America, but also in Europe, will feel pressured to support Israel and to leave their countries to go to Israel.
[00:23:35]  Israel's entire strategy is they want as many Jews in the diaspora to work for Israel, support Israel, and eventually to move to Israel so that they can increase their funding, increase their population, their GDP, the number of fighting age men.
[00:23:52]  They want all these people to be sucked into Israel.
[00:23:54]  So their strategy is, you know, we don't care if you make gas chamber memes.
[00:23:58]  That's actually good for us because it scares Jews into feeling they have to support us.
[00:24:03]  Remember this phrase, the October 8th Jew or the October 7th Jew.
[00:24:07]  It's, well, I was just A secular Jew, I was going to marry a Gentile or something.
[00:24:13]  But then I, their basic, that was their red pilling moment, right?
[00:24:16]  They said, no, actually, this proves that the left hates us and now we have to be right wing based Jews.
[00:24:22]  And actually, we'll tolerate a little bit of anti Semitism from the right wing.
[00:24:26]  We don't care if they're, you know, they say goy slop or they kind of, you know, make these little subtle remarks because what matters at the end of the day is we need to defeat the left because the left is the real opponent of Israel.
[00:24:38]  We can make a deal with the right.
[00:24:40]  Because the right wing, they might have memes, they might have gas chamber rhetoric, but at the end of the day, they're going to let us bomb the hell out of the Gazans.
[00:24:48]  They're going to support us.
[00:24:49]  They're going to give us the Iron Dome.
[00:24:50]  They're going to give us a war with Iran, even, which, you know, Trump up and down said, we'll never go to war with Iran.
[00:24:57]  That's crazy.
[00:24:57]  It's Kamala Harris who wants to go to war with Iran.
[00:25:00]  And now that he's flipped the position, 90% of Republicans support him, right?
[00:25:06]  So Jews see that.
[00:25:08]  They see how easy Republicans are to control, in contrast to Joe Biden, who.
[00:25:15]  You know, he said, Well, we don't, we support Israel, but we're concerned about what they're doing over there.
[00:25:23]  And the Democratic base revolted.
[00:25:25]  They said, you know, we're done.
[00:25:28]  We don't like that.
[00:25:28]  We'll vote Green Party or we won't vote at all.
[00:25:31]  And they see that the left is kind of more rambunctious.
[00:25:34]  They're more uppity, whereas the right wing is just fundamentally more compliant.
[00:25:38]  They follow the leader.
[00:25:39]  They're more hierarchical, I suppose, less ideological.
[00:25:42]  They don't care about the substance on the right.
[00:25:45]  They care about memes.
[00:25:46]  They care about TikTok edits or these Twitter hyperborean fashion wave edits.
[00:25:52]  And so that concentration of Aesthetics means that the right wing is more malleable and more ameliorative to their needs.
[00:26:02]  And so, the result of these Abraham Accords, the war in Iran, everything has been to create a geopolitical situation now where basically the main Arab powers, typified by Saudi Arabia, but also Syria, these Arab countries have basically been on the verge of reestablishing diplomatic relations with Israel.
[00:26:25]  They're closer than they have ever been since 1947, maybe even before, you could say.
[00:26:30]  And so, this is a huge accomplishment for Israel.
[00:26:33]  They're going to reward the GOP for this.
[00:26:36]  That doesn't mean that the Nick Fuentes phenomenon, the Groyper phenomenon, is going to go away, but it's going to become more intensely paradoxical, more hypocritical.
[00:26:46]  You're going to see, I think in 2028, you're going to see a candidate just like Vivek in 2024 was saying, oh, you know, maybe I support Israel, but they don't need aid.
[00:26:56]  I can see JD Vance saying similar things.
[00:26:58]  I can see a lot of these candidates saying, oh, yeah, I don't think we should give as much aid to Israel.
[00:27:04]  And that's, of course, a very superficial thing to say, given that the benefit that we provide to Israel is not this pitiful $6 billion in aid.
[00:27:13]  That's nothing.
[00:27:14]  The aid that we give to Israel is to Egypt and to Syria and to Saudi Arabia.
[00:27:20]  We have military bases.
[00:27:22]  We provide security for all these countries.
[00:27:24]  And if you add up all these wars we're doing there, now it's in the trillions of dollars.
[00:27:29]  Who cares about some $6 billion?
[00:27:31]  It's this functionally year after year, decade of decade, trillions that we provide to Arab states.
[00:27:38]  To basically buy them off, to favor Israel, to have these relationships with Israel.
[00:27:44]  So, you know, that big picture means that there's going to be a lot of debate in the GOP of, you know, should we support Israel without any actual question of, well, what are the material interests of Israel?
[00:27:55]  What does Israel need?
[00:27:56]  Do they need these 10,000 pound bombs from us?
[00:27:59]  Do they need the six billion a year?
[00:28:01]  Or is it really what Israel needs?
[00:28:04]  They need American troops in Saudi Arabia, they need American bases in Syria, because that's what keeps the Arabs compliant and under control.
[00:28:12]  So, Israel can do whatever the hell it wants in the West Bank.
[00:28:15]  It can do whatever the hell it wants in Gaza and now southern Lebanon.
[00:28:20]  And the Arabs are going to stay quiet because we are basically occupying their country.
[00:28:26]  So, they say, oh, Israel occupies America.
[00:28:29]  Well, you know, what are they doing with that?
[00:28:31]  They are fueling an American occupation of the Middle East in all of these Arab countries.
[00:28:37]  And so, that's the thing that I think you won't see touched in look forward to 2028.
[00:28:42]  You can see how this prediction works out, but you'll see a lot of bluster about we're going to decouple from Israel.
[00:28:49]  We can't give Israel another dollar.
[00:28:51]  They're not going to say anything about Saudi Arabia.
[00:28:53]  They're not going to say anything about Syria.
[00:28:55]  They're not going to say anything about the billions we give to Egypt, because that's fundamentally what Israel depends on and needs for its survival and expansion, not the direct aid.
[00:29:06]  It's a smokescreen.
[00:29:08]  So that's kind of my prediction about where all this is going.
[00:29:11]  I think very few people are going to be watching that because people don't care about substance, they care about style.
[00:29:17]  Yeah, that's very good stuff.
[00:29:20]  I've talked about this before.
[00:29:22]  I think I might have even mentioned it with you.
[00:29:25]  And I call it Spencer's Law.
[00:29:28]  I actually took it from a young man named Brendan who mentioned it in a QA that we were having a couple of years ago.
[00:29:38]  And that is Spencer's Law is the most anti Semitic and the most pro Zionist people will vote for the same candidate.
[00:29:47]  And It's a contradiction, but it is always the case.
[00:29:52]  And we can even extrapolate on this inner contradiction in the sense that, yeah, I get it.
[00:29:59]  Nick Fuentes doesn't like Trump and is saying he hopes the GOP loses the midterm or whatever, but he doesn't like Trump in the sense that, like, there is a Hitler yet to come.
[00:30:11]  Like, don't blame me.

=== Spencer's Law Explained (05:39) ===

[00:30:12]  I voted for Hitler is what is actually a tagline that he said.
[00:30:16]  And there's going to be a true AF person emerging.
[00:30:19]  Maybe it's him.
[00:30:20]  Who knows?
[00:30:21]  But He is connected to Trump at the hip, that is probably never going to change.
[00:30:29]  So, are the most hyper Zionist people, people who think Benjamin Netanyahu isn't going far enough, the Laura Loomer type people who will support troops on the ground, civilization ending bombing campaign over Iran.
[00:30:48]  They are both Trumpist, and they sort of have this equal claim.
[00:30:52]  And Trump attracted both of these people to him in this inexplicable, seemingly kind of contradictory manner.
[00:31:01]  There's even an aspect of this with Catholicism, where Trump is, you know, according to Tucker Carlson, he's insulting Catholics and insulting Muslims, and he's insulting all of these poor little religious believers who see these truth social posts and are just heartbroken.
[00:31:20]  You know, Trump is Jesus.
[00:31:22]  I thought it was a hilarious post.
[00:31:25]  Myself, although I guess I'm a bit more irreverent than most.
[00:31:28]  But again, the contradiction is still there.
[00:31:32]  Where are these people coming from?
[00:31:35]  This man who might be the Antichrist who is insulting the Catholic Church.
[00:31:40]  Where are all of these people coming from and going to?
[00:31:44]  It's Trump.
[00:31:48]  They now have a social media platform like Kerry Prigine Bowler precisely because of the age of MAGA.
[00:31:55]  Kerry Prigine Bowler, as a fire breathing religious fanatic, come social media goddess, does not exist in the age of Romney.
[00:32:05]  Or in the age of Obama.
[00:32:08]  She exists in the age of Trump, and yet she hates Trump and how he's insulting her church.
[00:32:14]  Catholics built America and all this kind of stuff.
[00:32:16]  It's this weird kind of thing.
[00:32:19]  And it was what you're getting at as well.
[00:32:21]  I remember before Max Blumenthal became a Russian agent or whatever he is, he used to do these video essays where he would go to evangelicals and he'd be like, So what happens at the end times?
[00:32:35]  And they would tell stories about, you know, Jesus coming back, like Jews burning and some converting and some being destroyed and all this kind of thing.
[00:32:44]  And his pitch at that point, this is like circa 2010, was like these people are crazy and they are functionally, at the very least, anti Semitic because they are fantasizing about the deaths of millions of Jews.
[00:33:03]  In fact, they are functionally anti Semitic regardless of what they say.
[00:33:07]  Like, watch out, the conservative movement is terrible.
[00:33:11]  And that is true, but that's the contradiction.
[00:33:15]  So many of those people whom he interviewed were, in effect, being funded by Israel, or at the very least, their pastor got flown to Israel on some junket.
[00:33:26]  At the very least, their friends went with Glenn Beck on an Israel tour, all expenses paid type thing.
[00:33:36]  And so there's this way in which Zionism, as you were getting at earlier, needs anti Semitism.
[00:33:43]  It functions through anti Semitism and otherwise doesn't really have a purpose.
[00:33:50]  Because if you're just going to be a secular Jew, then you can sort of live anywhere.
[00:33:58]  But the basis of the Zionist project, on multiple levels to it, of course, but one of the key bases of the Zionist project is that we need a safe zone, a place where we can go when the inevitable.
[00:34:15]  Anti Semitic pogrom occurs again, and we know it's going to happen.
[00:34:20]  So it's a kind of self fulfilling prophecy, and I would say, a virtuous cycle between these types of anti Semites and the Zionist project.
[00:34:30]  Now, does it end at some point when Carrie Prasine Bowler becomes presidency?
[00:34:36]  Does she like nuke Israel on behalf of the Catholic Church or something?
[00:34:40]  I mean, I seriously doubt that will happen, but maybe it does go too far at some point.
[00:34:48]  But You know, again, what I see now is like what you were getting at earlier there's a sort of like stabilizing mechanism coming together.
[00:34:59]  We all hate Israel.
[00:35:01]  So, like Marjorie Taylor Greene, she's kind of cool.
[00:35:04]  You're hearing this from like Ilhan Omar, some liberals, not all.
[00:35:09]  You know, rightists like Hassan Piker.
[00:35:12]  Well, at least he calls out the Jays.
[00:35:14]  You know, this kind of, you see this way where this polarization is.
[00:35:19]  To some degree, and maybe in a minor way, being overcome through anti Semitism.
[00:35:26]  And you also see Israel being, in effect, stabilized by an increase in anti Semitism.
[00:35:34]  And it seems extremely contradictory.
[00:35:38]  But once you sort of learn and analyze the essence of the phenomenon, it doesn't seem contradictory at all.
[00:35:47]  You need the fuel to run the car.
[00:35:49]  What is the fuel?
[00:35:50]  The fuel is anti Semitism.