RadixJournal - Richard Spencer - From Opera to the Apocalypse
Aired: 2026-04-10
Duration: 17:35


=== Unification of the West (02:15) ===

[00:00:00]  Even worse, and this has been brewing for a little bit, but it was sort of brewing in a pot on the back burner for some time.
[00:00:10]  But Donald Trump directly threatened to leave NATO, saying that, where was NATO when we needed NATO?
[00:00:24]  He sort of vaguely threatened them earlier, saying that, obviously, a tremendous amount of Natural gas, gasoline, fertilizer goes through the Strait of Hormuz to China and Asia, but a lot of it goes to Europe as well.
[00:00:40]  And it's like, well, you can buy from us, or you should just go over there and take it.
[00:00:45]  Just go take it.
[00:00:46]  Be like me, just take stuff.
[00:00:49]  And that was a, I guess, a challenge, but also a sort of veiled threat to Europe.
[00:00:57]  Caroline Levitt was asked about this, and she said, yes, Donald Trump is considering this.
[00:01:03]  We've been considering it for a while.
[00:01:05]  NATO is a thing of the past, and he's talking with Rutta about this right as we speak.
[00:01:10]  Rutta was typically, he was a good politician, I guess you could say, but he was cagey and didn't give anything away.
[00:01:19]  But I do think that this type of thing is possible and real.
[00:01:32]  I mean, what kind of.
[00:01:37]  World, are we moving into?
[00:01:38]  I remember doing this interview with Gunther, our friend who's a wild social media savvy, pro NATO, pro EU, pro globalism type guy.
[00:01:52]  And I said that I think there are only a few pragmatic options in terms of a world order.
[00:02:05]  And we might want something like The unification of the West.
[00:02:13]  We're all in this together.

=== A New Global Order (15:16) ===

[00:02:16]  The first world, whites, you know, and we'll all be together.
[00:02:21]  But as nice as that sounds, that might not be practical, at least in the short and medium term.
[00:02:32]  And what we've had for some time has been the East West division of the Cold War plus Israel.
[00:02:41]  Now, Israel has always been.
[00:02:44]  A ambivalent matter, I guess you could say, when it comes to Russia and the Soviet Union.
[00:02:52]  The Soviet Union was, in fact, the first to injure and recognize Israel.
[00:03:01]  And they supported Israel.
[00:03:02]  They actually sent weapons from Czechoslovakia to Israel that were integral, perhaps indispensable, in 1948 and the Nakba, the ethnic displacement that occurred there.
[00:03:17]  And There's even a sort of sense that so much of early Zionism was outright socialism that Israel would be naturally aligned with the Soviet Union.
[00:03:30]  Now, that went away rather quickly, and the Soviet Union began aligning itself with anti Zionism and with pan Arab nationalism, you could say.
[00:03:44]  And certainly by the 67 war, the Soviet Union was not on board.
[00:03:49]  And I believe after 67, they broke off relations.
[00:03:53]  With Israel, that wouldn't be renewed until 1989, just before the fall of the Soviet Union.
[00:04:01]  In between, you had the refusenik controversy that we talked a little bit about with Jeremy and some of his suspicions he's had about Nathan Sharansky, who was sort of the icon of that movement.
[00:04:15]  But it was Jews in the Soviet Union who wanted to immigrate, that is, get out of the USSR, wanted to go to Israel, and they had a right of return of sorts with Israel.
[00:04:27]  And just by the fact that they were refusing to take part, they were already under suspicion.
[00:04:33]  So it was a sort of You know, do you want to burn your passport?
[00:04:36]  Well, if you don't do it right and you don't make sure you get out, you might very well end up in a labor camp or at the very least be marginalized from society as a type of social parasite, etc.
[00:04:51]  And this was a major controversy.
[00:04:54]  I mean, Kissinger notoriously said that because Kissinger obviously wanted to get along with the Soviet Union, and he said they could, the Soviets could gas all of these Jewish refusenics.
[00:05:06]  And that wouldn't affect in the slightest bit our negotiations over nuclear weapons with Brezhnev or whomever he was dealing with at the time.
[00:05:20]  But at the same time, as the 70s went on, more and more Russian Jews, and in many cases, Russians who weren't Jews, immigrated to Israel to the point that I believe the Russian speaking population in Israel is a million.
[00:05:39]  Correct me if I'm wrong, but one in six or one in seven Israelis.
[00:05:45]  Yes.
[00:05:46]  One in six, let's say Israelis are.
[00:05:51]  Lindsay, do you want to correct me on this?
[00:05:53]  You would know.
[00:05:54]  12.5 to 12.7%.
[00:05:57]  So one in eight.
[00:05:58]  One in eight.
[00:05:59]  Okay.
[00:05:59]  Fair enough.
[00:06:01]  That's a lot.
[00:06:04]  That is the size of the African American population.
[00:06:09]  That's a lot.
[00:06:11]  In the United States, it's a major voting block.
[00:06:13]  That's a major impact on culture and society.
[00:06:16]  And a similar cultural impact if you're familiar with the region.
[00:06:22]  That might be true.
[00:06:24]  They wear their pants low.
[00:06:27]  That's what I'm hearing.
[00:06:28]  Those rush, yeah.
[00:06:29]  Actually, quite literally, yes.
[00:06:35]  I mean, it's hot.
[00:06:37]  True.
[00:06:41]  I will just add to that that also many of the Russian Jews used Israel as a stopgap to the United States because the main point with the Soviet Union was to get out.
[00:06:51]  And then you had a bunch of options.
[00:06:53]  So many people just went to the.
[00:06:55]  Many of the Russian Jews ended up in Florida and New York just by getting out through Israel.
[00:07:02]  Yes.
[00:07:06]  Vladimir Putin said, you know, when he was asked, are you going to join in the war with Iran?
[00:07:11]  Your ally, BRICS, right?
[00:07:12]  BRICS, right?
[00:07:13]  A BRICS member has been attacked.
[00:07:15]  Isn't BRICS the new NATO or the new EU or something?
[00:07:19]  And he said, oh, no, you know, there's so many.
[00:07:22]  Israel is a Russian speaking country.
[00:07:24]  We could never attack Israel.
[00:07:26]  Now, there are some indications that Russia is helping Iran with information and targeting.
[00:07:37]  But that is all they are doing.
[00:07:39]  They, from a military standpoint, they are mostly leaving Iran high and dry.
[00:07:44]  I mean, Iran was giving Russia all of these drones.
[00:07:48]  Iran is a partner in the second world, the third world, whatever they imagine BRICS to be.
[00:07:56]  And they are not being supported by Russia.
[00:08:00]  Russia isn't, I mean, it's sort of vaguely calling out the problem, you know, much like Vladimir Putin blamed Gaza on Americans.
[00:08:10]  And things like that.
[00:08:10]  They're sort of vaguely talking about it, but they are mostly leaving Iran high and dry.
[00:08:18]  They are not united in an anti American alliance or an anti Semitic alliance or whatever these people dream about, a socialist alliance, whatever the sort of horseshoe left and right dream about.
[00:08:31]  That is not happening.
[00:08:32]  And there are deep relations between Israel and Russia.
[00:08:37]  Israel has not, still never, condemned the invasion of Ukraine.
[00:08:43]  Benjamin Netanyahu, to his Russian, in effect, Voting bloc.
[00:08:50]  They vote Likud.
[00:08:51]  So they're not like African Americans in this way.
[00:08:54]  They vote right wing.
[00:08:56]  He was picturing himself with banners of him and Putin shaking hands and smiling and so on, we're pro Russia.
[00:09:07]  And the ties go deeper.
[00:09:09]  So I guess what I was saying to Gunther, just to go back to that point, was that.
[00:09:20]  Not at the very beginning, but certainly since the late 60s.
[00:09:27]  We've had the West, which has been defending itself against communism writ large and Russia in particular, and plus Israel.
[00:09:39]  So Israel's sort of like our Jewish buddy who lives in the Middle East.
[00:09:43]  But now Israel's not in NATO, of course, but it was by the fact that it was.
[00:09:51]  A client state of the United States, it was connected with the West writ large.
[00:09:58]  And that is one way of doing things.
[00:10:01]  You have, it's maybe not ideal, but it is one way of doing things.
[00:10:06]  And it is Western and Central Europe, the United States, Canada, and Israel.
[00:10:13]  And then you have some strategic assets that are almost more geographically important than they are culturally important, like Turkey or something like that, that are also a little bit of an oddball in the NATO alliance, but geographically important.
[00:10:34]  But there's sort of another way of doing these things.
[00:10:38]  And I wonder the degree to which this is what MAGA and Trump are ultimately pointing towards.
[00:10:47]  And no, it's not getting rid of Israel, as many of the Wignats and far leftists imagine.
[00:10:57]  It would be the United States, Israel, and Russia in a new alliance and in a sort of pincer action geographically against Europe.
[00:11:08]  It would be an anti white alliance.
[00:11:11]  It would be an anti Western alliance, an anti civilization alliance, in my mind.
[00:11:21]  The Iran conflict, no doubt, supports Russia.
[00:11:26]  And the fact that the Strait of Hormuz is being told or is out of commission is great for Russia because you know what Russia can do?
[00:11:39]  They can still sell you.
[00:11:42]  Natural resources, oil, gas, et cetera.
[00:11:46]  They benefit from Iran's destruction and the logistical dislocations that have followed with this.
[00:11:59]  As I said on Tuesday, yes, most of the Vatniks or pro Russian people of the right or left are, most all of them are anti Israel to boot.
[00:12:12]  But there are these types that are both pro Israel and pro Russia.
[00:12:20]  And there's that, you know, wonderful little former stripper Congresswoman.
[00:12:28]  I believe her real name is Meyerson or Meyerhoff or something, Anna Paulina Luna.
[00:12:33]  But there's also just JD Vance.
[00:12:36]  JD Vance as vice president, JD Vance has explicitly wanted over and over again to cast Ukraine, cast Europe.
[00:12:51]  To the wolves.
[00:12:52]  Who cares?
[00:12:54]  But he doesn't want to do that to Israel.
[00:12:58]  He wants Israel in the fold.
[00:13:01]  I think there is a deep sort of hillbilly resentment with JD Vance that's really in his blood and in his bone marrow of hating Europe, hating civilization.
[00:13:16]  And he looks to Israel, Russia, and America as sort of the type of thing that he wants.
[00:13:25]  That he values and he looks at Europe as sort of evil, at the very least, something that we shouldn't defend or pay any mind.
[00:13:38]  Those decadent faggots can take care of themselves.
[00:13:42]  And so there is a sort of like trad alliance of the based forming of Likud, right wing Israel, Putinist Russia, and Trumpian America that.
[00:13:58]  All in their own way benefit from logistical dislocations in Iran.
[00:14:05]  And, you know, Israel wants greater Israel.
[00:14:08]  America wants to sell gas and oil to the world.
[00:14:12]  Russia wants to do the same.
[00:14:13]  We all benefit from this.
[00:14:15]  Even if it's bad, even if prices are higher, we become more valuable in the chaos and pain.
[00:14:24]  And maybe this is the type of trad world order that.
[00:14:31]  Is emerging and Europe is going to be left high and dry.
[00:14:35]  Now, maybe on some moral level, the Europeans do sort of deserve it.
[00:14:40]  They have, I mean, it's not wrong, of course, that they have benefited from the American umbrella.
[00:14:50]  They haven't really been forced to fight in the way that Americans have.
[00:14:56]  Now, Germany is rearming, transitioning from a You know, industrial engineering, automobile, medical devices economy to an armaments economy.
[00:15:09]  And they're doing it fast and furious and profitably.
[00:15:16]  But nevertheless, the whole decadent Europe insult has a large kernel of truth, I think we should admit.
[00:15:27]  Are they really willing to fight Russians?
[00:15:30]  Are they really willing to use NATO to defend?
[00:15:35]  Ukraine, which is a non NATO country, but just to understand that if Ukraine isn't defended, we're next.
[00:15:42]  Poland's next.
[00:15:43]  That is a NATO country.
[00:15:46]  Somebody's next.
[00:15:47]  The Baltic states are next.
[00:15:50]  Isn't Germany part of the, not just the eastern half, sort of part of the old Soviet bloc that Putin wants to revive?
[00:16:02]  Is Europe really willing to fight, or do they sort of like the idea of hosting Zelensky at parties and patting him on the back and telling him how brave he is?
[00:16:15]  Sending him some money, of course, sending him billions of dollars to be fair, but sending him some money and some, we'll buy some arms here, get him from Germany, the United States, send him over, go fight, go die.
[00:16:26]  We love you.
[00:16:28]  You two have released a new song about you.
[00:16:30]  Go for it.
[00:16:32]  But are they really willing to fight if Ukraine is abandoned?
[00:16:41]  If the United States abandons NATO, Ukraine feels the pressure.
[00:16:49]  They give in to the sort of physics of the problem, which is that ultimately Russia has more men to throw into the meat grinder than Ukraine does.
[00:17:01]  Are they willing to fight?
[00:17:04]  I don't know.
[00:17:07]  But I do wonder if this sort of horrible new order is emerging of Orthodox Putinist Russia, Likudist, hard Zionist, blood and soil Israel, and populist Trumpian America.

=== That's Exactly What It Sounds Like (00:01) ===

[00:17:33]  That's exactly what it sounds like.