NeoCon Idealism vs. Trump's War In Iran
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Neocons and Responsibility
00:02:09
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| Now we're at this place where we have an administration. | |
| I call them a regime. | |
| I think it's fair. | |
| I'll call the Iranians, that's an Islamic regime. | |
| We have this some kind of weird Trump mafia regime of some sort. | |
| But this regime basically didn't even go through the process of trying to lie to the American people to engage us for a year, to try to go to Congress to make the case, let alone go to European NATO allies and say, we're going to do this. | |
| We need a coalition of the willing and all of that. | |
| So this is a very stunning moment from just an American perspective. | |
| I feel trashed in a way of, oh, I'm not even worth lying to at this point in terms of this current regime. | |
| You know, it's like, who's going to be my next wife kind of thing? | |
| That's what it feels like. | |
| The American people are my last wife. | |
| I don't need to tell them shit. | |
| So there is this aspect that is overthrowing even the sort of the visage of rules and norms. | |
| Because obviously the whole Iraq war fiasco was not actually them being honest with the American people or being honest with Congress. | |
| The intelligence was manufactured out of Douglas Fife's OSP office, Office of Special Plans in the Pentagon, Dick Cheney and David Wormser in the vice president's office, and then in Ariel Sharon cell in Israel basically manufactured the intelligence. | |
| But at least they went through the motions. | |
| They went through the motions in the New York Times with Judith Miller being feeding all of this. | |
| Well, at least they hear, and I'll praise neoconservatives, at least they took some degree of responsibility for their actions in the sense of you break it, you own it. | |
| That was a cliche from back in the day in the sense that nation building, which gets this horrible name, a regime change wars, et cetera, we're all against those things. | |
| We've all learned the lessons. | |
| No, you haven't learned any lesson because what you're doing now is smashing it and leaving it in the antique shop or something. | |
| I don't even know. | |
| There seems to be zero idealism. | |
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Endless Chaos Strategy
00:03:02
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| I actually saw a clip before we went on with Steve Bannon and I believe Eric Bowler, formerly of Fox News, and they were just powling around at CPAC and they were saying, we're not going to do any of these regime change wars. | |
| We're just going to bomb them and then take their oil and force a deal on them or things like that. | |
| We're not going to send our soldiers until the Arab oil sheikhs send their sons and daughters to die. | |
| But it's okay. | |
| I agree with you, but like at least the neocons thought that we had some level of responsibility. | |
| I think they genuinely believed their own ideology. | |
| They thought we had some level of responsibility for the people who lived there and a responsibility to world history, the Geist itself, in order to build a parliamentary democracy there. | |
| Whereas it seems like with Trump, we're at war, we're going to kill them all, regime change. | |
| No, we're not at war. | |
| It's fine. | |
| You have all of this kind of thing. | |
| And then it seems like the motivation from Israel is the lawn mowing, which is the sort of the metaphor we have here, which is we're going to smash them up and they're going to be scrambled for six to nine months. | |
| And then the moment they start to build the London Bridge back up again, we're going to bomb them again. | |
| And there's just endless situation of they're trying to build a bomb and we must stop them and bomb them. | |
| I think whatever criticisms you might have for Obama's deal that he made with Jake Sullivan and company in terms of the Iran nuclear deal, whatever problems you might have with that, at least it was a sort of solution to this impasse of we don't fully trust you. | |
| You're a sort of different type regime. | |
| We don't want you to have a nuclear weapon. | |
| And so we're going to work with you so that we can grow together in parallel in the future. | |
| I think that the critics of the Obama's Iranian nuclear deal, of whom Donald Trump was the number one critic, the worst deal in history, in effect, were afraid that deal might work too well, that maybe they will take the money and not build a bomb. | |
| Have you ever thought of that? | |
| They wanted to get rid of the deal so that there would be at least movement on the Iranian side to generate a nuclear weapon because they would be again treated as a totally rogue state, not just a somewhat rogue state that the Obama administrator treated them. | |
| And they're saying we need a nuclear bomb just for our survival. | |
| That seems to be the strategy. | |
| It seems to be a kind of endless chaos strategy. | |
| There's no world order. | |
| There's no neocon idealism of building democracy in the Middle East. | |