RadixJournal - Richard Spencer - What Is the New Antisemitism
Aired: 2026-03-19
Duration: 21:25


=== Escape Velocity of Anti-Semitism (06:39) ===

[00:00:00]  Let's talk about the rise of anti-Semitism.
[00:00:04]  Now, much like Bibbi Netyahoo has been talking about a nuclear weapon in Iran for decades.
[00:00:12]  Green Blatt and the ADL and all those people, they've been saying the same thing about the rise of anti-Semitism.
[00:00:19]  But I think they're actually right.
[00:00:23]  I think anti-Semitism has achieved escape velocity at this point.
[00:00:30]  There was another time when being Kevin McDonald was totally not profitable.
[00:00:38]  And being Kevin McDonald, to be fair, might still be not profitable.
[00:00:43]  You know, you're writing books and what have you.
[00:00:47]  But take my meaning here.
[00:00:49]  Being a semi, let's just call it out, a sort of racial anti-Semite, as Kevin McDonald is, that was not profitable.
[00:00:57]  You were marginalized.
[00:00:59]  You would get sort of shoved out of the university in some way.
[00:01:04]  You can't keep up your website.
[00:01:06]  You're getting banned.
[00:01:07]  No one's donating.
[00:01:08]  I mean, all of these problems.
[00:01:10]  And we seem to have crossed a Rubicon where in fact, hating on the Jews makes you money.
[00:01:19]  And I just, I think that's it.
[00:01:22]  It's all about incentives on some point.
[00:01:24]  We're all a bunch of like gerbils in cages.
[00:01:27]  And if you press a button and you get food, you do, you keep pressing the button.
[00:01:31]  It just is that, basically.
[00:01:34]  And I mean, again, I have a lot of criticism of the type of anti-Semitism that is now popular, but you cannot deny that it is a phenomenon.
[00:01:46]  And polls coming from highly respected institutions like Pew just bear this out.
[00:01:51]  Young people have given up on Israel, particularly on the left, but you also see it on the right.
[00:01:58]  And are the Jews a problem?
[00:02:01]  I mean, we can go look at those stats on polling, but more people are saying that now, whereas I would imagine 2% of the population would have said that in the 1990s.
[00:02:12]  So something has happened.
[00:02:14]  There has been an awakening.
[00:02:16]  And maybe you could also say that Bibby Netanyahu is quite aware of this.
[00:02:22]  And in some way, this regime change war against Iran had to happen now because it won't be possible under a Kamala Harris presidency in 2028 or a Mumdami presidency in 2032 or whatever is going to happen.
[00:02:41]  It won't be possible anymore.
[00:02:43]  You've got to do it right this instant.
[00:02:45]  There actually are enough right-wingers.
[00:02:48]  They still barely outnumber the anti-Semites, the Christian Zionists or Zionist Christians.
[00:02:54]  So you got to strike now.
[00:02:56]  And they did it.
[00:02:58]  But what, I guess I'll ask like an open-ended question.
[00:03:02]  And then I want to play this clip of Kerry Prajean Bowler on the Tucker Carlson program.
[00:03:08]  We can sort of go into it because I think there's some particular qualities of this.
[00:03:13]  But what do you make of the general phenomenon of anti-Semitism?
[00:03:18]  Let's just call it.
[00:03:19]  I don't even want to call it anti-Zionism.
[00:03:21]  Let's just call it what it is.
[00:03:22]  Anti-Semitism and its popularity and ubiquity at this point.
[00:03:28]  What are just some thoughts on this?
[00:03:30]  It's fascinating to me because we've been talking about these questions.
[00:03:35]  We've been highlighting them at a point where the game of Wacamal was playable for the ADL.
[00:03:41]  Because as long as you don't have the critical mass of the anti-Semites, you can knock them one by one.
[00:03:47]  And I paid extremely dearly in my life the price of touching those questions.
[00:03:55]  Because when you're alone, you get the whack and it's easy to whack you.
[00:04:00]  But inevitably, there was going to be a mass that arises.
[00:04:03]  It's like, at this point, what can the ADL do against Karen Prigine Bowler?
[00:04:09]  It's like, are you going to ruin the reputation of this beautiful old lady?
[00:04:16]  It's unfeasible.
[00:04:17]  And that has been my hope for a long time.
[00:04:20]  The MILF's attack.
[00:04:21]  You have no chance.
[00:04:22]  You can't do anything about the MILF.
[00:04:24]  or defense cesaro.
[00:04:26]  It was my hope that the mass would become unmanageable because single targeting is unviable.
[00:04:35]  And ADL tried scaling what they're doing basically into legal harassment, AI-controlled campaign, which is literally Jonathan Greenblatt was describing that they have an AI system that if you have a problem with someone saying anti-Semitic stuff, the AI is going to give you all of the paths in which you can give them legal trouble, even if it's not related to their anti-Semitic statement.
[00:05:00]  Let's get this guy into trouble with child protective service.
[00:05:03]  Let's get this guy divorced.
[00:05:04]  Let's get this guy targeted by police in his local area.
[00:05:08]  So it's like, yeah, they do have the machine, but you're not going to pull this against a whole population of people who are living under the cultural influence of the streams that we've been part of.
[00:05:21]  So it has become unfeasible, and that I'm thankful for.
[00:05:25]  But, and perhaps there you can play the Karen Priscine clip.
[00:05:32]  It is not an anti-Semitism that properly presents itself.
[00:05:36]  And it is an anti-Semitism that comes incomplete.
[00:05:40]  There is an unwillingness to say the right things here.
[00:05:43]  And it's all very clear what they're saying.
[00:05:46]  Tucker Carlson, Carrie, even Joe Kent this morning.
[00:05:50]  It's all very clear what they're saying, but they still are avoiding the keywords.
[00:05:56]  Why?
[00:05:57]  Is it because they are not willing, they are not just willing to dip the toes, but not willing to go there?
[00:06:04]  Is it because of social taboos?
[00:06:06]  Or is it because fundamentally they still do not understand the situation?
[00:06:11]  I'm wondering.
[00:06:12]  Because when you use bizarre phrasings, sometimes it indicates a failure of understanding the true phenomenon.
[00:06:22]  And I'm wondering if these people actually understand it.
[00:06:25]  Let's just listen to a little bit of this.
[00:06:27]  I might even play like five or seven minutes because it is, she's getting at a theology here, and it's worth pointing that out.
[00:06:35]  Our own people.
[00:06:36]  Did either one of them, so Dan is a self-described Christian.

=== Contradictions in Christian Theology (12:36) ===

[00:06:40]  Paula White is some kind of Christian minister, I guess.
[00:06:44]  I want to be clear, it doesn't look like Christianity to me, but I'm trying not to judge.
[00:06:48]  But did either one of them?
[00:06:50]  Okay.
[00:06:50]  Sorry, I'm just jumping in.
[00:06:52]  Tucker feigns ignorance constantly, but then he's now, but then on the other side of his mouth, he calls out heretics or something.
[00:06:59]  Like Paula White is not a Christian.
[00:07:01]  Like, okay, well, what is?
[00:07:04]  Like, are you like an Episcopalian dogmatist or something?
[00:07:08]  Like, I don't, it's just, I don't know.
[00:07:11]  Obviously, she's a Christian.
[00:07:12]  She believes that the only way to get to heaven is to put your faith in Jesus Christ who redeemed you for your sins.
[00:07:17]  So she's a Christian.
[00:07:18]  All right, let's just stop the nonsense.
[00:07:20]  I don't like it either.
[00:07:21]  I would never attend her crazy churches, but like, I'm not going to, I don't know.
[00:07:27]  I guess I'm not going to denounce like, oh, you're not a real Christian.
[00:07:31]  You're going to hell or something.
[00:07:32]  I'm not sure about that.
[00:07:34]  It's the loosest, most passive, aggressive heretics chase ever.
[00:07:38]  Yes.
[00:07:39]  The Christian faith is supporting the Netanyahu government.
[00:07:42]  Do they explain the theology there?
[00:07:44]  Because I don't understand it.
[00:07:46]  Yeah, no, they never.
[00:07:47]  Okay.
[00:07:47]  Do you see just the little, like, it's a shell game because they say the Netanyahu government is what he said.
[00:07:55]  He didn't say Israel.
[00:07:56]  So like, so what they're doing is they're playing this little shell game where it's like, oh, the Netanyahu government?
[00:08:02]  Oh, that's in the Bible.
[00:08:03]  That's not in my Bible.
[00:08:04]  I don't know.
[00:08:05]  it's like, okay, Israel is obviously in the Bible in many different forms.
[00:08:13]  The Torah is a story of people like Abraham, marginal people in many ways, who make a covenant with God and are promised that they're going to have more children than the stars in the sky, and you will have a holy land.
[00:08:32]  Exodus is the story, many generations later, of a former slave population being oppressed, marching into the holy land.
[00:08:42]  And by the end of the Torah, they've done it.
[00:08:44]  They've committed genocide against an indigenous population.
[00:08:48]  But anyway, I won't say that, but they've done it.
[00:08:50]  They have the Holy Land.
[00:08:51]  That is your Bible.
[00:08:53]  And so like to play this little shell game where it's like, oh, does God support Netanyahu or something?
[00:09:02]  That's just not serious.
[00:09:04]  And you're denying the reality of your own religion.
[00:09:09]  Like you hold the Torah to be sacred.
[00:09:12]  And this is where Christianity fails.
[00:09:15]  Because if you start on false ground, if you start with, oh, I adore and sanctify this book.
[00:09:22]  Okay, well, it's a history book kind of and a moral book kind of, certainly not factually correct, certainly collected across various streams of uncontrollable streams of information.
[00:09:37]  And it's like, okay, well, if that's the word of God, then you don't have an intellectual process to even get to where you were.
[00:09:45]  So your only question left is, oh, well, was that in my book?
[00:09:49]  Was that in that book?
[00:09:51]  And this is the big cognitive failure of Christianity.
[00:09:55]  And I believe it will be a doom for Christianity.
[00:09:59]  This fact of not cultivating deeper understanding, this dogmatic reflex of, well, is that the truth in the Bible?
[00:10:09]  Well, do you realize that you're never, you cannot have a book that tells you everything about the future?
[00:10:16]  It's just physically impossible.
[00:10:18]  And so, yeah, I think it illustrates why ultimately American Christianity will stay in place and fail.
[00:10:26]  Now, they will survive over hundreds of years, but they will be unable to call out the progressive genocide that's happening to them.
[00:10:37]  And they will just stay silent in front of it because it's not in their Bible.
[00:10:41]  Right.
[00:10:41]  And it's the same movement that gave birth to Kary Janine Bol also gave birth to the Iran war.
[00:10:49]  And no other movement has successfully done that.
[00:10:52]  So is there something going on with the fact that you're making a theological criticism of the Iran war?
[00:11:01]  Do you think that there might be something to that that it's sort of inherently self-defeating?
[00:11:06]  But let's go on because she gets into like the temple and all this kind of stuff.
[00:11:10]  Never explain it.
[00:11:11]  They just said, you can't have your theology.
[00:11:14]  You can't believe what you want.
[00:11:16]  You have to submit to ours.
[00:11:18]  But their theology is that Christians are required as a matter of faith to support the government of Israel.
[00:11:25]  Oh, yeah.
[00:11:26]  Do you see how he keeps doing that?
[00:11:28]  It's a shell game.
[00:11:30]  I did magic when I was a kid.
[00:11:32]  I loved being a magician.
[00:11:33]  And so I know what you do, right?
[00:11:36]  The ball, you tell the person that the little ball is in that shell.
[00:11:40]  It's not.
[00:11:41]  It's in this shell.
[00:11:42]  It's in the other one.
[00:11:43]  And you reveal it.
[00:11:44]  You're like, oh, look, I made it like transport or something.
[00:11:46]  It's just, it's really bothersome to keep doing that.
[00:11:51]  Like the status of Israel is clearly in the Bible.
[00:11:55]  And by this, I don't mean the like tribes of Israel or like the neo-Israel that is the church and whatever.
[00:12:03]  I'm referring to the land, Canaan, basically.
[00:12:06]  Israel, do they have a stake there?
[00:12:10]  Is that in the Bible?
[00:12:11]  Is that part of Yahweh's promise?
[00:12:13]  The answer is clearly yes.
[00:12:14]  So stop talking about Netanyahu.
[00:12:17]  He is irrelevant. to this question.
[00:12:20]  And you keep mentioning it so that you can like have your cake and eat it too.
[00:12:24]  It's like, oh, of course we believe the Bible, but, you know, Netanyahu, does he, is he, he's secular?
[00:12:29]  Is he like, what are you talking about?
[00:12:32]  Oh, yeah.
[00:12:33]  Do you have any?
[00:12:33]  Those who bless Israel will be blessed.
[00:12:35]  It's exactly what people do.
[00:12:38]  God's.
[00:12:38]  Yeah, I mean, he had no idea where in the Bible it was.
[00:12:40]  Of course, that's not, that line is not actually in the Bible.
[00:12:42]  It doesn't say that.
[00:12:44]  But whatever, the leap between that, whatever that means, does mean something.
[00:12:50]  And the moral, the religious requirement to support the government of Israel.
[00:12:56]  I mean, those are just like completely two different things.
[00:12:59]  No, they don't think they are.
[00:13:00]  Did Paula White or Dan Patrick explain where you were wrong on doctrine?
[00:13:05]  No.
[00:13:06]  No, they just said, I cannot hold firm to replacement theology, which they don't know.
[00:13:10]  Catholics, it's fulfillment theology.
[00:13:12]  We believe that we are the fulfillment.
[00:13:15]  You know, it's not replace.
[00:13:16]  They like to dig us and say, oh, you believe in replacement theology.
[00:13:19]  No, no, no.
[00:13:19]  We're the fulfillment.
[00:13:20]  Christ is the fulfillment of Israel.
[00:13:23]  Well, that's what's happening.
[00:13:24]  So we are the new people.
[00:13:25]  Yeah.
[00:13:26]  Exactly.
[00:13:27]  I mean, it says it like on every page.
[00:13:30]  So, but they're accusing you of believing in something called replacement theology.
[00:13:34]  For people who don't follow this, and I'm kind of one of them.
[00:13:36]  I don't fully understand what that means.
[00:13:37]  What do they mean by that?
[00:13:38]  They believe.
[00:13:39]  Tucker like literally does not understand anything.
[00:13:41]  This is his entire like M.O.
[00:13:44]  It's like, I don't understand.
[00:13:45]  What is this?
[00:13:45]  What do you think?
[00:13:46]  What is it?
[00:13:47]  So replacement theology, their claim is that the church has replaced Israel.
[00:13:51]  So for 2,000 years, that's what all of the early church fathers have taught, that we are the new Israel.
[00:13:55]  We're the spiritual Semites.
[00:13:58]  They would literally be rolling in their graves if they thought that we were being told that 1948 Israel is some biblical prophecy fulfillment.
[00:14:08]  I mean, that alone is insane, that they think that this political state of Israel that was created in 48, mostly by atheists, is some biblical prophecy being fulfilled.
[00:14:21]  Okay, it just literally is.
[00:14:23]  I mean, it's like, what do you want?
[00:14:25]  Why does she say the word political?
[00:14:27]  Like, like, that was a problem or the fact that Herzol was an atheist or something.
[00:14:34]  Well, God works in mysterious ways, my child.
[00:14:37]  And he might very well use an atheist to advance his agenda.
[00:14:42]  Now, again, is she arguing that like the 48 one wasn't it?
[00:14:47]  Like, but our real one is, I mean, what is she arguing exactly?
[00:14:51]  Because just a plain reading of the Bible, you, you at least have to be like, well, I think they're, they're kind of like having the promise fulfilled, right?
[00:15:01]  I mean, what else is happening?
[00:15:03]  Well, it's, it's a whole game of reinterpretation.
[00:15:07]  And they're, they're trying to prepare the youth and the Christian audience into having a certain interpretation of the Bible.
[00:15:16]  Now, the problem is there, it's always political.
[00:15:21]  She's trying to distinguish between political and the Israel of the Bible, which would have been some per non-political entity, does she think?
[00:15:30]  It's like, no matter at which point you had some organization of Jews anywhere.
[00:15:35]  Yes, there was a king and there were local authorities.
[00:15:39]  So it's always political.
[00:15:41]  And it's a kind of a delusion.
[00:15:44]  And I think they're counting on the fact that a young public or whatever public is watching them will not dig to ask these questions and would simply say, oh, my experience of the Bible, as I hear it from my pastor or from my priest, it's a non-political message.
[00:16:02]  It's a message of love.
[00:16:04]  So they're counting on this kind of psycho-emotional interpretation of biblical stuff rather than actual literacy political.
[00:16:13]  documentation, which the Bible pretty much is.
[00:16:16]  Yeah.
[00:16:16]  But there's also this thing.
[00:16:19]  And I struggle to find a good word to describe it.
[00:16:23]  I mean, I almost want to say it's schizophrenic.
[00:16:26]  Maybe passive aggressive is the right term that could be used because, you know, what she said that Catholics are the spiritual Semites.
[00:16:38]  So they're like the true Jews, basically.
[00:16:43]  And this is getting at this weird contradiction at the heart of Christian anti-Semitism that I think really needs to be laid out because you see it everywhere.
[00:16:56]  Even in the gospels, the stories about Jesus, who are the enemies there?
[00:17:02]  Is it the Romans?
[00:17:03]  Not exactly, actually, because Pontius Pilate is sort of treated sympathetically.
[00:17:09]  He's kind of ignorant and ambivalent about this.
[00:17:12]  Like, are you sure you guys want to release Barabbas and not Jesus, who seems like such a good guy?
[00:17:17]  You know, like, why?
[00:17:18]  I'm just as an old Tucker Carlson.
[00:17:20]  I'm not sure.
[00:17:21]  I don't know.
[00:17:22]  These guys are asking me to kill Jesus Christ.
[00:17:25]  I don't know.
[00:17:26]  Yeah.
[00:17:26]  Maybe they're right.
[00:17:28]  He's like, he's the king of the Jews.
[00:17:30]  And the Pharisees are like, he said he was the king of the Jews.
[00:17:32]  It's like, okay, whatever.
[00:17:34]  I mean, he's dead.
[00:17:35]  That's what he is.
[00:17:35]  He's dead.
[00:17:36]  He's dead.
[00:17:37]  But so even in those stories, it's like the shroud, you know, is ripped.
[00:17:43]  And so the whole the tent of meeting in the tabernacle, where Yahweh as a real being, a God that you couldn't even look upon because you would be just burned to a crisp.
[00:17:56]  I mean, only Moses could do it.
[00:17:57]  There's a real being in there.
[00:17:59]  And in a way, like the shroud is ripped and there's an earthquake.
[00:18:02]  And so in a way, like God is out in the world.
[00:18:05]  You know, he's no longer contained in the tent of meeting or the tabernacle, the temple, all of that kind of stuff.
[00:18:11]  It's like he's just universal.
[00:18:12]  I mean, it's a really bold move.
[00:18:15]  And again, and I guess I was mentioning this before, you know, Jesus, he's raging against the Pharisees and they're raging back.
[00:18:23]  And he's like, yo, you're a den of vipers, you know, you're a father, Satan, all this kind of stuff.
[00:18:28]  But the Pharisees were themselves Messianic Jews.
[00:18:31]  So like they, it's just this weird contrast.
[00:18:35]  It really is like the Bolsheviks versus the Mensheviks or something, or, you know, like the second wave feminist versus the fifth wave feminists.
[00:18:44]  It's like an intramural dispute that becomes really intense.
[00:18:50]  And so they're blaming the Jews for not accepting the Jews' Messiah that's prophesied in their holy books.
[00:18:59]  It's a very, I don't know what to say, like deeply ambivalent, contradictory, passive aggressive type move that they're making.
[00:19:09]  And I think it might raise the intensity of their anti-Semitism because it's so much worse.

=== Casual and Critical Hatred (02:08) ===

[00:19:16]  Like when I was growing up in Dallas, there actually was anti-Semitism just among normal people, but it was never like this.
[00:19:25]  It was casual anti-Semitism.
[00:19:27]  You know, I think I, you know, the old joke, like, how do you lose a Jewish cop?
[00:19:32]  Yeah.
[00:19:33]  You all, okay.
[00:19:34]  You lose a Jewish cop by taking the toll road.
[00:19:36]  This is a very Dallas joke because the toll road pay like 75 cents to like go faster.
[00:19:42]  So I'm saying this just to sort of like, I have nostalgia for this casual anti-Semitism that I was thinking about.
[00:19:49]  It was so easy to be anti-Semitic background.
[00:19:53]  It's basically like Jews are weird.
[00:19:54]  They suck at sports.
[00:19:56]  Like, you know, they're penny pinchers.
[00:19:59]  It's all this casual stuff that isn't really, I mean, you can make jokes about me, Irish, Russians, Germans, whatever.
[00:20:08]  It's all just sort of humorous.
[00:20:10]  It's not serious.
[00:20:12]  But this anti-Semitism, they're not calling the Jews cheap or something.
[00:20:16]  They are basically saying you rejected your own Messiah, which I believe in.
[00:20:22]  I am you.
[00:20:24]  I mean, I'm not sure.
[00:20:25]  It's like the most profoundly weird and kind of intense psychological thing to say.
[00:20:33]  I'm going to kill you because I am you.
[00:20:36]  I mean, we're getting into the realm of like depth psychology.
[00:20:39]  Wow.
[00:20:41]  But, but this seems to be what is animating these people.
[00:20:47]  This seems to be the anti-Semitism that is arising right now.
[00:20:53]  And I, and I, I, I think we should definitely like examine the reality of it.
[00:20:59]  And, uh, and, and maybe even, I mean, I can't believe I'm in a way, other people can't believe I'm saying this.
[00:21:06]  I can believe I'm saying this.
[00:21:07]  I'm critical of it.
[00:21:09]  I, I don't, I don't know what to say.
[00:21:11]  Like, it's like, you're now all anti-Semitism.
[00:21:14]  You're all now anti-Semites, but like, not like this.
[00:21:17]  I mean, what are you doing?
[00:21:18]  This is like worse.
[00:21:20]  You know, like, I don't know.
[00:21:21]  Mike Huckabee kind of seems rational in comparison to you people.
[00:21:25]  I don't know.