Donnie Decern joins the hosts to dissect eschatology, linking the current Iran invasion to a messianic Cyrus-like event and arguing that the biblical Antichrist is an arrogant Gentile, citing Hitler as a prototype. He reinterprets 666 as representing Apollo or Nero Caesar rather than solely Jewish figures, while discussing Preterism's fulfillment of Revelation. The conversation highlights global anti-Zionism, the "false light deception," and Professor Jiang's predictive scripts, ultimately suggesting that geopolitical turmoil signals the prophesied rise of a Gentile power against God's people. [Automatically generated summary]
This has turned into a 2009 Ron Paul space, I guess.
Yes.
Yes, we're appreciating the capitalist pig.
We're not racist, Richard.
We're against socialism.
Robin is a socialist.
That's the problem.
The only color that matters is green.
So true.
Right.
Just here because I'm mad at Obama.
But not because he's raised.
There was actually a funny Onion article I remember back when The Onion was genuinely hilarious.
And it was about someone assassinating Barack Obama, but he didn't want to be called racist.
And so he was like, I was thinking about shooting him, but then that would evoke dark memories of Martin Luther King.
And then like, we thought about hanging, but then that was totally out.
He ended up attempting to assassinate Barack Obama with a crossbow because there was no like historical baggage associated.
And he's like, it's due to socialism.
That actually gives off anti-Muslim baggage when you think about it.
True, true.
You know the Pope's weird edicts.
Yeah.
Let me see if, is Donny Darkened on here?
We actually have a return of an old favorite, Donnie Darkened.
Hey, can you hear me?
Yes.
Oh, that's you.
Great.
Yes, I'm here.
How are you doing?
There you are.
Okay.
I'm back.
Yes, he's back.
He's made.
Yeah, this is the forthcoming, I think, of Donny Darkened or so.
So yeah, we're very happy for you to be here.
Yeah.
So these discussions are quite fun.
Let's start off really basic.
And I guess, first off, why don't you introduce yourself?
Because we have a lot of new people and they might not have heard our previous interviews.
So why don't you just let us know who you are and what you're about?
Yeah.
So I'm Donnie, formerly Donny Darken.
I now go by Donnie Decern, but either way is fine.
And I have an X account that's where I talk about a lot of end times prophecy, eschatology, theology, things like that.
My main focus lately has been about what I deem as the false light deception.
Ooh, sounds scary.
And it's how it ties into kind of everything that we see happening today.
And my account was originally all about how I believe that Trump is like the biblical Antichrist, right?
And which is, which is a whole nother fascinating topic, especially in light of recent events, which I'm sure we can probably get into as well.
But yeah, just a lot of kooky Christian stuff, you know?
Yeah, that's how I first discovered you.
I think I heard an interview of you by Adam Green in 2023, maybe.
And I really did want to talk with you because, A, yes, there is some kooky Christian stuff.
At the same time, you know, these just, I don't know, funny things of middle names and birth dates and the amount of Salems in the United States where a lunar eclipse passed through.
I mean, at some point, it actually does become like, well, that is a number of coincidences.
And then, secondly, what I appreciate is that you are friendly and respectful.
Like, we can push back.
We can say we don't buy that.
And you can lay out your case.
And it is what it is.
So it's the best of real discussion and debate where we can actually get somewhere.
So I have enjoyed our talks.
And I keep tabs on you over the years.
And it's all been very interesting.
And I mean, I think one could make the case that you've really been prescient.
You had the foresight to see all of these things coming.
Because remember, back in 2023, to say that Trump was going to make a comeback, that was a bit of an oddball opinion.
I mean, things were looking quite bad.
The indictments were stacking up.
He had the whole J6 stop the steal 2020 that had failed and it was fading.
And he was giving low energy speeches and people were looking to other candidates.
And you never lost faith, so to speak, in the sense that you thought that he was coming back.
You thought that it wasn't just an aberration, that he represented something much bigger than just a president.
In your case, the actual Antichrist.
But that he was going to make this comeback and return.
And then we look back at it now and it seems inevitable.
It seems like, oh, yeah, we always knew that was going to happen.
But the fact is we didn't know that it was going to happen.
And there were a few people who were making that call and were right.
And the other thing I would say is that you could also assume that Trump's presidency was going to be uneventful, that, well, we're going to get rid of boys and girls sports and that Roe v. Wade thing will be settled and, you know, he'll lower taxes and blah, blah, blah.
But, you know, no new wars.
He's going to keep us out of World War III.
And, you know, it's just going to be this golden age of prosperity, so on.
And he was to some degree, at least, promising just that.
But I do think that it's very clear that we have entered interesting times or apocalyptic times, if you want to say that.
I mean, we have another invasion going on as we speak in the Middle East.
The question of Israel is hotter than it's ever been.
I think it's also important to point out that the rise of anti-Zionism or just outright anti-Semitism, to be frank, is bigger than I ever would have imagined it to be.
If you just can take yourself back 10 years or 20 years, the idea that being anti-Zionist or being even anti-Semitic or coming up with kooky theories about Frankists or that that would be, that would make you popular as opposed to just marginalize you.
Wow.
I mean, we, we clearly have come quite a ways.
Something has changed.
There's been an awakening.
Now, whether that's a way that awakening is good or bad, we might agree that it's actually bad, but something has clearly happened phenomenologically.
And so let me, I just wanted to say that to sort of set things up.
And the other thing, I'll add one more thing before I pass the baton to you, is that we've seen this meteoric rise of a man named Professor Jiang, who is a high school teacher in China who studied at Yale and he's doing all these predictive history things.
And I actually interviewed him back in September.
I reposted that today.
But there's something in the air about him.
Now, you can have criticisms, galore about Professor Jiang, and I have them too, but he is interesting.
And there does seem to be this yearning, this appetite for some sort of eschatology of current affairs in the sense of it's not just about diplomacy or military action, et cetera.
There's something bigger going on.
It's in a script.
Now, whether Professor Jiang thinks that there's cynical operatives who are enacting the script or whether the script is real, the script actually is describing how events are going to unfold or something in between.
We'll see.
But at the very least, there's something going on.
There's an appetite for this and it's sort of in the air right now in a way that it wasn't.
But what are your just opening thoughts on Fact that we've invaded Iran.
I mean, Persia has been invaded again by our Cyrus-like messianic.
Cyrus has taken Persia.
Yeah, it's so much interesting stuff going on.
I also want to note, yeah, I've been talking about the Donald Trump antichrist stuff since 2021 at a time where it was like very kooky to like even suggest that Trump would make this huge political comeback and not even just make a political comeback, but that he would also start talking about this golden age of peace and prosperity and that there, you know, he would go on conquering, you know, all of these different nations and you know, making war.
666: Aryan or Arrogant?00:06:02
And it's definitely, we've definitely come a long way since then.
And things have definitely been more than interesting in how they've played out.
Someone made a dropped a comment in here that I kind of actually want to agree with.
And he said, and I think you've said something to this effect that 666 is Aryan.
Yeah.
And yeah, that I saw your clip and I was like, wow, like this is right in line with what I've been talking about.
And like, and like, I thought it was so cool that you said that because a lot of the people you see on Twitter, they hear about 666 and they automatically think, oh, that's a Jewish, you know, the Jews love 666.
So they worship the Baphomet and, you know, a lot of kooky stuff that you see on Twitter.
Or it's just like the devil.
That's the other one that it, you know, people think.
But yeah, it's not, it's not Satan, the accuser.
It's not the, it's not the number of the serpent.
It's Apollo.
It's, it's, it's, yeah, it's Lucifer.
It's the king of the white gods, right?
Yeah.
Lucifer is even, you know, Venus on some, you know, the first things like.
So there's even an interesting connection there.
Yeah.
It's beauty.
It's, it's power.
It's strength.
It's, yeah, it's, it's, it's art.
It's, you know, so the other reading is that 666 in Hebrew, uh, not even numeral, well, numerology, I guess, in a very basic sense of the word.
It's not like the Bible code or something, but numbers of the letters spells out Nero.
Yeah, that comes from Nero.
Yeah, so that comes from like this.
It's 616.
So they found, I think it was like some ancient papyrus or something that around that time that said 616 associated with Nero Caesar.
And I know that a lot of Preterists will actually take that and use it to confirm their view that preterism or at least partial preterism is, you know, is the way to go eschatology wise.
And if you don't know what preterism is, it essentially is the belief that Revelation, partial preterism is that Revelation chapters four through 20 have been fulfilled.
The Antichrist has come, the end times have occurred.
And essentially we're just waiting for the second coming as opposed to full preterism, which is that the second coming already happened.
We're post-millennial kingdom.
Again, a lot of different nuances there.
But yeah.
Let me jump in real quick.
So with Preterim or post-millennialism, the idea would be that a figure like Nero, an Antichrist-like figure has already appeared.
Now, I would say that a lot of these interpretations, as an aside here, a lot of these interpretations aren't mutually exclusive in the sense that 666 could directly reference Nero at the same time as referencing the number of man or the number of the sixth day of creation, basically.
It's both.
It's not one or the other.
So it's, you know, it's evoking both things.
Exactly.
But let me go a little bit further.
So the idea there is that the Antichrist came.
There was this fall of Rome and so on.
And in some ways, with the church, we are living in Jesus's reign.
Yes.
Or his kingdom.
Yes.
His kingdom is reigned.
Yep.
Absolutely.
Yeah, that's the idea.
And that's, so that's one major school of thought on the book of Revelation.
It's a very, it's a very, it's a very metaphorical take.
So in order to reach that conclusion, you have to spiritualize a lot of the prophecies, which I will say to the credit of the Preterists, there definitely have been many Antichrists.
I like to reference Ecclesiastes 9, where it says there's nothing new under the sun.
Everything that's happened will happen again.
And, you know, I mean, if you take a look at history, you know, history operates in a very cyclical way where, you know, we do see these kinds of these repeating patterns of kind of the same thing or very similar things.
And I think that that's no different for the end times, you know?
So I don't think the Preterist is necessarily wrong for equating Nero to the Antichrist, which is interesting, actually, because when they do that, they also kind of affirm my view too, because the Antichrist, from a truly biblical perspective, represents the arrogant Gentile, right?
The arrogant Gentile rising up to answer the JQ once and for all.
And in that respect, you can consider Adolf Hitler sort of a prototype of the Antichrist, a dress rehearsal of what the Antichrist is intended to be biblically, right?
So when people, when I see a lot of these people on X, Twitter, whatever, say things like, oh, the Jewish Messiah is the Antichrist or the Antichrist is a Jewish thing, I think they're really, really missing the mark.
Because if you look at even the biblical text, it says in Revelation 13 that the beast rises from the sea.
A lot of people don't know that the sea in that is actually a reference to Isaiah 17, talking about the nations.
It's talking about the Gentile nations, right?
The beast rises from the Gentiles, right?
And the 42 months in Revelation 11, right?
It says the Gentiles will trample the holy city for 42 months.
And that's talking about Gentile-led crusade on the holy city, which again, we've seen in history before.
And I believe we're going to see again in a much bigger way very soon.
Wow.
Okay.
Let's.
You opened up a lot of different doors there.
Yeah.
So let me ask you.
I definitely want to get.
to each of these entranceways at some point during our discussion but does iran play a role in the book of revelation i think so i i think It says that the Antichrist, he makes war and he conquers.