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I'm going to talk about the Matthew Libelsberger case.
Last night on the main show, we engaged in some speculation about what's going on.
We were mainly going off...
Cui Bono reasoning and the sort of theatrics of the whole thing.
Now, we did that at 7 p.m. my time or 9 p.m. Eastern time, and a lot has come out about Matthew Libelsberger.
And I have to say, more questions are raised.
And I really don't have any...
Real definite sense of what's happening.
And maybe the best explanation is just that he is an unfortunate soul.
He's a lost boy.
I guess you could say Aldo.
He was in his 30s.
And not terribly intelligent and fragmented from his war experience and lashing out, I guess, to some extent.
I don't think he intended to kill anyone beyond himself.
Whether he intended to kill himself is maybe a little bit murky.
But he did want to make some sort of theatrical display.
He wanted to send a message.
I think that's very clear.
Now, one thing that I have seen online...
Is a video, a very casual live stream of some kind, done between Matthew Libelsberger and his ex-wife, actually.
And I need to be honest.
One of the things that I found striking is that he isn't terribly smart.
Neither is his...
Ex-wife or then-girlfriend or whatever was going on.
They were simply vamping about nothing.
Now, of course, you could find some example of me not at my sharpest doing a live stream like this or online and say, ah, look at this idiot.
But you know what I mean.
If we take it as a representative example, this guy is...
Very much a normie type, not intelligent.
He's not really making a lot of sense and neither is his wife or girlfriend.
And you can see a lot of that as well in some messages that this woman released online that seemed to come from a day or two ago, after which he...
rented this cyber truck on Turo, and he was bragging about it.
You know, he said, "Oh, it's ungodly
I think she even described it as a kid with a new toy or something like that.
Now, nothing in those messages would indicate a man who was about to commit suicide.
Nothing in those messages would indicate a man who was about to engage in some sort of theatrical display in front of the Trump Hotel.
So in many ways, these Flirtatious, boyish messages about this amazing new Cybertruck raise more questions than give us any answers or insights into his psychology or what he was exactly trying to do.
They do suggest that he was trying to reconnect with his ex.
Hey, everyone's guilty of this to some degree.
I don't judge, but...
You know, he seemed to be making some, you know, putting forth some casual message to a woman that he very likely might still have feelings towards, and kind of making it fun, making himself seem cool.
You know, it is what it is.
I don't think any man is innocent of trying to reconnect with an old flame or something like that.
But again, it doesn't suggest the state of mind of someone who would about to engage in something like this.
Now, I also watched this interview with Sean Ryan, who's kind of like...
From what I can tell, I had never encountered him before, but from what I can tell, he seems to be a Tim Pool for an older, maybe a Gen X or even boomer set, former military type people, but very conservative and Republican.
I did notice that some of these interviews with Pete Hegseth that were going around, I just saw clips, they actually took place on the show.
It's like you're in a dark bar with...
You know, leather couches and cigars and whiskey.
Whatever. But it also has a sort of Tim Pool vibe of people just talking.
Anyway, he was interviewing a man whose name escapes me at the moment.
And this man is sort of a small-time Sean Ryan by his own description.
He has an Instagram account.
He talks about military issues.
And Matthew Livelsberger was desperately trying to get in touch with him.
So he goes through the backstory of this guy, emailing him, messaging him on Instagram, etc., etc., etc.
And he desperately needed to send him a message, and he eventually sent him this email on ProtonMail or some sort of secure service.
And this...
Person didn't quite know what to make of it.
I've gotten a lot of crazy emails or crazy missives from people, certainly in my career.
It's a weird experience in many ways because sometimes you'll start reading and the first, say, 100 words is fairly compelling and then it just goes off the cliff or off the deep end, so to speak, and you're just like, I don't even know what.
I've had some curious experiences with people that I don't know what to say.
I don't know if they're suffering from schizophrenia or they've had some pain in their own life and they've lost it.
But I don't know what to make of it.
I don't know even what to do.
They haven't done anything wrong, really.
But should you report this?
Anyway, these are all kind of beside the point.
So he got a message like this.
He had an experience that I've certainly had many times as well.
And I imagine he's had it more than I have, being that he's talking to ex-military people and soldiers, etc.
And there's this, I guess they refer to it as a manifesto.
I mean, it's really an email.
And it seemed to take on two different...
Subject matters.
The first is that this guy seems to have been involved in some kind of war crime in Afghanistan.
So there was mention of an attack on a drugs facility.
The details are sort of escaping me.
And this was denounced by the UN, etc.
Is it a war crime?
He at least puts forward the notion that he can't live with himself in a way, or that he needs to cleanse his mind of all the people he's harmed.
So he was involved in something, let's just say, untoward or morally dubious, etc., and he wants people to know about it.
Now, it's interesting.
I mean, look, I've...
I've encountered military people before.
There's a sort of military type.
There's a personality type.
It's self-selective in many ways.
It might be top-down selective of the type of dude they want in the military.
And I'm not trying to be rude, and I'm not even being critical.
But from these types of people, I would...
More often expect them to say something like, you know, war is hell, and yeah, I did some bad things, but so did everyone.
That type of attitude.
Or, yeah, we did some bad things, but those liberals of the Washington Post, they just made it worse by reporting on it.
Or, you know, by reporting on it, you're endangering my guys out there, whatever.
It might sound like I'm being demeaning or condescending, but I'm actually not.
I think this type of guy who thinks in this way is admirable.
To some degree, at least.
If not a complete person, but you know what I'm talking about.
It just strikes me as a little bit odd that he's bringing up this thing.
That might very well be a bad situation or even a war crime, but, you know, I don't know.
Is this the worst thing that's ever happened?
Yeah. So that just struck me as a little curious.
And I'm not trying to deny that he might genuinely feel something about it.
It just struck me as a little bit odd.
The other thing...
That he mentioned was that there is a, and I think he used the adjective, gravitic, so it's basically gravity-defying drone operation that have,
in effect, an unlimited payload.
And this is the answer to the...
Curiosity of the drones flying on the East Coast.
I was actually in New York City while that was happening, and many people around me were sort of like, oh my god, this is the biggest thing ever.
What else is going on?
And I was just kind of like, yeah, it's called collective delusion that's increased by the internet.
I just didn't take it that seriously.
Maybe I should have, and it certainly is interesting.
But I'm just a little bit skeptical when a kind of meme gets out there online and then people start to see what they want to see.
There are a lot of planes flying around.
There are three major airports in New York City and there are many others around there.
It's not terribly surprising that there are a lot of planes flying around.
Anyway, I just dismissed it.
Maybe I shouldn't have.
But he has an explanation.
He thinks that the Chinese are engaging in gravity-defying drones with, in effect, an unlimited payload.
And I don't even understand what his point is.
I mean, he needs to reveal this to the world, I guess.
But we're risking World War III and its mutually assured destruction.
I guess neither the U.S. nor China could...
Stop the other from engaging in gravity-defying...
Wow, I'm thinking about wicked here, defying gravity.
I did see that movie, yes.
A wicked type of weapon that literally defies gravity and thus cannot be stopped.
It does not obey the laws of physics as we know them, etc.
Okay, that's fascinating.
Maybe this is right.
I'm highly skeptical, but so what, I guess?
I mean, even if you reveal this to the public, what could we do?
So, now, I would say this.
Between Sean O'Ryan and his interviewee, I did get the impression from them that they were being honest.
I've seen a lot of truth-tellers or whistleblowers, and I'm thinking now of Grush, this person who is telling us all, told Congress, in fact, that alien life is among us and we have these bodies.
This guy struck me as a totally incredible person with an implausible story.
He was engaging in self-serving.
Truth-telling so that we would finally pay attention to it.
In other words, I didn't buy it at all.
So I've seen these kinds of things where they'll come in with some secret email or secret message or they heard something from someone in the know or whatever and I just don't believe them.
Now, in terms of the Sean Ryan...
I think they're telling the truth.
I think he did get this email from this man.
What's going on?
Now, when we were talking about this on the show last night, a Cybertruck, but maybe the most recognizable car there is at this point, because Elon Musk is so famous,
infamous, controversial, etc.
It's kind of taken from science fiction.
I, Robot, or Total Recall.
I've always thought it had a Total Recall vibe to it.
Anyway, everything about it, every e-grifter is driving a Cybertruck or gifting a Cybertruck to Donald Trump or whatever.
So it's a highly symbolic car.
He didn't just rent a Suburban or something.
He rented this car.
And he went to Trump Hotel where he...
Apparently committed suicide and set off a bomb, but a bomb that couldn't really kill anyone.
First off, it is in a Cybertruck, but even in any car, you're setting off a bomb with fireworks and kerosene or something like this.
I mean, it's dangerous to be sure, but it's certainly not this mass casualty event.
So what is going on?
Now, one explanation could simply be that this is a broken man, he's committing suicide, and he has some little covert narcissistic drive or some sort of theatrical spirit that maybe was repressed throughout his career in the army and that comes out here.
What happened to him?
He was broken up or divorced from this woman.
She's a brunette.
I've heard she's a Bernie supporter.
I don't put much stock into any of that.
Then he has a new wife and reportedly a new child.
Now, Sean Ryan reported on his podcast, and I had not heard this elsewhere, and I couldn't find it elsewhere, that he said something like a public affairs officer told him this.
That the child ain't his.
So he was with his new wife, who's blonde, and the child, his son's DNA does not match up with his.
The other report, and I have seen this in some mainstream outlets, is that his wife dumped him under the suspicion that he was the one cheating.
So I don't know what to make of it.
But whatever that happened, is this simply a guy whose life has been broken?
I mean, look, you can recover from this stuff, no doubt, but he just sort of goes off the deep end and theatrically commits suicide.
That is very plausible.
Now, there are some question marks here.
And I just saw this on Substack with Deanna Calderon.
She talked about this, and I thought she...
Said some things that were fairly convincing, which is that the gunshot wound that is apparently self-inflicted was shot with a Desert Eagle.50 caliber weapon.
Now, I'm not a gun nut or anything, but from what I understand, this is a massively powerful handgun, the kind of thing you'd want to kill a bear with or something.
And, you know, needless to say, that's going to be pretty effective if it's self-inflicted.
But she was saying, what exactly happened?
Because this gun is so loud that it would have been heard on these videos that we have.
Secondly, it would have gone through his head and gone through the windshield or even the sighting of the Cybertruck.
The Cybertruck isn't quite the...
Indestructible Mad Max mobile that Elon Musk might think it is or tell people that it is.
So what's exactly happening here?
Did he kill himself or was he perhaps shot?
And then the full self-driving, I'll put that in scare quotes, there is some degree of automated driving.
With the Cybertruck and Teslas, that it just sort of rolled into Trump Tower.
I mean, there are a lot of weird questions raised.
And this, again, begins to suggest, like, is there this symbolic aspect to it?
No, it wasn't the radically...
Antisocial act of, say, the New Orleans shooter, where he was just taking people out willy-nilly and just lashing out at society in the most horrible way possible.
But it was a sort of attack on Trump.
An attack from a military veteran who was a Trump fan, by all reports.
What do we make of it?
What is the symbolism of it all?
Now, again, the simplest solution is that this is just a broken man who has a little covert theatrical streak and if he's going to go out, he's going to go out in front of the Trump Hotel in a Cybertruck or something like that.
But I still think it sort of lends itself to...
It raises the question of, is something else going on here?
Is this a sort of still like a directed attack on Trump or some sort of warning?
I don't know.
Sometimes I would mention that I do think this man is not intelligent.
And here I would disagree with Sean Ryan and his interviewee who, you know, they...
I think all these military guys are super intelligent because they're kind of very well trained and competent.
I generally judge people by verbal intelligence.
Can you make a point?
Can you offer an insight?
Can you describe reality effectively?
This guy can't.
This guy is a dumbass for me.
I'm sorry.
Who probably was very well trained in the military, but is just...
A dude, to be honest.
So the simplest explanation is that he has a sort of covert theatrical narcissistic urge and he wanted to kill himself in spectacular fashion.
But I don't know.
Just so many questions.
It's kind of difficult to...
Answer questions in the chat, but if you want to ask them, you can.
Or if you want to come up, I can let you up.
away or otherwise I've sort of said my piece on this.
Yeah, Lisa Grande said, I think Sean is exploiting a dead man who clearly had a mental breakdown.
Yes. Prior military.
Okay. All right.
Yeah, Sean Ryan thinks he's still alive.
That was suggested.
I mean, that's speculation.
The body was supposedly burned beyond recognition.
All right.
Someone said hot dog.
I'll invite you to join.
You got some insights.
The body was supposedly burned beyond recognition, but they did locate some tattoos, from what I've heard, and his identification was in the car,
and it survived the blast.
Although, I don't want to be too tinfoil hatty, but it is funny when these guys have all this...
Government-issued identification just on their person all the time.
I don't know.
I guess I have my driver's license on me most all the time.
But it is a little bit curious, let's just say.
Getting some hot dog emojis.
No idea what that means.
What sort of message could you possibly see this being intended to communicate?
I don't know.
I mean, we were speculating last night.
I mean, it's a cyber truck blowing up at Trump Tower.
I mean, many people looked at that on Twitter X or whatever the fuck it's called now.
And they're saying, oh, this is a metaphor for the Trump administration.
It's going up in flames.
The cyber truck is blowing up at Trump Hotel.
It's just bad.
I mean, I get that.
I had the same impression, in fact.
I don't know the idea of a self-driving truck with a dead man inside that blows up at Trump Hotel.
It seems like it's an attack on Trump.
It seems like maybe it's a kind of warning, but it's some sort of hostile act towards Trump.
I don't know.
All right.
Hot dog, I did invite you to come up, but if you're not going to come up, then you're not going to come up.
All right.
I'll just cancel that request.
Maybe he thinks Elon has Trump under his thumb.
Yeah, I mean, you could definitely see that, but I didn't get that impression from...
Listening to his manifesto, if you want to call that, is really just an email.
And I'm not sure this guy was a Musk critic.
I think he's one of these right-wing dudes that love Musk, love Trump, love Silicon Valley rights surrounding them.
I just don't get the impression that he's hypercritical.
Yeah, I think it's funny how quickly Musk acted to disprove the truck caught on fire as a defect.
Yes. The other thing that I found extremely dubious was that the police were saying, oh, we're so thankful to Tesla because they came in right away and gave us all the information.
I think you should be doing that.
Clearly, Tesla has some sort of interest that they would want to protect in giving information about this accident.
Let's say this was an incredible coincidence, but it actually was a defect in the Cybertruck, and it killed a passenger and just randomly blew up.
Tesla does not want that to be known.
I mean, Elon Musk and Tesla would want this to be known of like, what were his motives?
Was he striking out against society?
Was he schizophrenic?
We might never know.
But the one thing we do know is that cyber trucks are great.
You can't even commit terrorism in them because they're so strong.
That's what he would want.
If you're a serious police force, you can't allow someone who is directly interested in this case to give you evidence.
This exposed just how much data Tesla collects from their vehicles.
Yeah, I know.
That is actually an incredible thing.
All right, guys.
I will sign off here.
I just wanted to do a short little discussion of this.