RadixJournal - Richard Spencer - The Arrest of Nick Fuentes
Aired: 2024-12-07
Duration: 16:14


=== Brutally Honest About Fuentes (02:48) ===

[00:00:00]  All right.
[00:00:01]  Hope everyone is doing well.
[00:00:04]  I might just vamp here for five seconds as the connection is taking place.
[00:00:12]  Hope everyone can hear me and everything.
[00:00:14]  Well, anyway, I'll start talking.
[00:00:17]  So, we are forced to discuss Nicholas Jake Fuentes and his recent arrest.
[00:00:26]  I think he has a hearing coming up in a couple of days.
[00:00:30]  And I'm actually going to be brutally honest about the situation.
[00:00:35]  And so I think I might even sort of piss off both sides.
[00:00:39]  I don't think so.
[00:00:40]  I'm going to be definitely honest.
[00:00:42]  So I've seen the video of the incident that took place.
[00:00:48]  And this came after the election.
[00:00:51]  It came after Nick went mega viral with a monologue and tweet regarding You know, your body, my choice.
[00:01:02]  You know, look, he was obviously joking, but kind of asking for a response to that one.
[00:01:08]  But, you know, he was a comedian.
[00:01:10]  He is a comedian, of course.
[00:01:12]  And there were death threats.
[00:01:15]  There was a massive reaction to it.
[00:01:18]  People were singing songs about attacking him and so on.
[00:01:23]  I think that Nick, understandably...
[00:01:28]  Felt like his life was in danger to some extent.
[00:01:33]  That someone might very well come over and try to harm him or do something.
[00:01:39]  So I think his reaction is very understandable.
[00:01:44]  That being said, this is the problem.
[00:01:47]  He's been charged with a misdemeanor battery.
[00:01:51]  And that can go up to one year.
[00:01:55]  Now, I think that would be totally outrageous if that happened.
[00:01:59]  But if any of you guys are subscribers to our members-only talks, you can go back to the feed and listen to me talk about it then.
[00:02:10]  I do think he did the wrong thing at the end of the day.
[00:02:13]  And I'm just going to be honest.
[00:02:14]  I would certainly say this to his face.
[00:02:19]  He should have either not opened the door, or if he did open the door, don't just come out swinging in the sense of spraying mace.
[00:02:31]  Talk to her if you want.
[00:02:32]  You don't have to.

=== Nick's Prison Sentence? (13:10) ===

[00:02:33]  You have a right to be in your own home.
[00:02:36]  So I'm just going to be honest here.
[00:02:40]  The whole thing was fairly funny and everything, but I think he's in the wrong.
[00:02:46]  Now, that being said...
[00:02:50]  The idea of Nick going to prison for this lapse of judgment I think would be just beyond insane.
[00:03:03]  A lot of people use the term anarcho-tyranny as coined by Sam Francis in Chronicles magazine 30 years ago or maybe even more than that.
[00:03:13]  It's the notion that The state is tolerating people whom it should arrest or prevent from being a menace to society while it goes after, with almost totalitarian intensity,
[00:03:31]  maybe even glee, against people who are upholding society.
[00:03:37]  So it's a sort of worst of both worlds situation.
[00:03:42]  And, you know, this arrest comes in the shadow of the Daniel Penny situation in New York City.
[00:03:51]  I've read about the case.
[00:03:52]  I've obviously not seen every detail of it.
[00:03:57]  Very tough situation, of course, but I definitely think that he was not attempting to kill this young man, Michael Jackson, impersonator.
[00:04:09]  I think he was genuinely trying to save the rest of the people in the car.
[00:04:13]  Actually, in his interrogation, which has been released, and I watched the whole thing, his interrogation with the cops, he said I wasn't trying to kill him.
[00:04:22]  I was putting him into a hold.
[00:04:26]  I feared for my life.
[00:04:27]  I feared for the lives of people around me.
[00:04:29]  He said, I'm going to kill all y'all.
[00:04:31]  I'm willing to go to jail for life.
[00:04:33]  I don't care anymore.
[00:04:34]  I mean, this character is...
[00:04:36]  Clearly suffering from mental illness.
[00:04:41]  I think there was one report that he was suffering from schizophrenia.
[00:04:46]  He's out of control.
[00:04:47]  He is a genuine menace to society.
[00:04:53]  Tough situation, but the idea of putting Daniel Penny away for 15 years from manslaughter seems just outrageous.
[00:05:02]  I don't know what's going to happen on that front.
[00:05:06]  But the fact that we're even thinking about putting Nick away for a year for this lapse of judgment, I think is outrageous.
[00:05:18]  It's the kind of thing that he doesn't have a criminal record.
[00:05:23]  Maybe some people consider him to be a menace to society due to his live stream, but obviously he's engaging in the First Amendment.
[00:05:34]  Just the idea that you need to punish him severely or take him off the streets just strikes me as insane.
[00:05:42]  So I don't know.
[00:05:43]  What I hope might happen, I hope he gets probation or it's thrown out, perhaps.
[00:05:49]  I'm not sure that will happen because there is a sort of crime that took place, the macing that was unprompted.
[00:05:57]  But the idea of punishing him severely just seems insane.
[00:06:04]  It just seems insane.
[00:06:05]  But there's all of this tolerance shown towards criminals around the country.
[00:06:10]  The idea that you'd crack down on Nick Fuentes, just throw the book at him.
[00:06:15]  That would in itself be just a miscarriage of justice.
[00:06:19]  It's the kind of thing that I think it's a slap on the wrist, give him some time to learn his lesson, not do it again, and let him go.
[00:06:29]  I think that would be...
[00:06:31]  Totally fine.
[00:06:33]  I was talking actually with someone this afternoon, and this relates to anarcho-tyranny.
[00:06:39]  There is a degree to which our society does have the worst of both worlds in terms of crime and justice and so on.
[00:06:53]  There seems to be a sort of assumption of, on the one hand, We deserve total safety.
[00:07:02]  And on the other hand, there are people such as the assistant DA in New York City who are talking about restorative justice.
[00:07:12]  There's a viral clip going around of Yuran, the assistant DA who's prosecuting Daniel Penny.
[00:07:23]  And she was saying, well...
[00:07:28]  There was a robbery at an ATM of an elderly Asian man, and it was a young black man, but he pushed him down.
[00:07:36]  He probably didn't mean to hurt him, but I just felt so sorry for him.
[00:07:40]  Let's not charge him for criminal murder.
[00:07:43]  Let's bring it down several notches.
[00:07:47]  This will sort of restore justice on some cosmic level.
[00:07:51]  So we have a situation like that.
[00:07:55]  And then we have an almost...
[00:07:57]  Over-emphasis on safety that I think is sort of anti-civilizational.
[00:08:05]  And I saw this growing up with much of the anti-bullying and so on that was taking place in school.
[00:08:13]  Now, again, I'm not endorsing any sort of harsh bullying.
[00:08:18]  Obviously, bullying can get out of control.
[00:08:21]  But it's also sort of part of life.
[00:08:26]  I don't know.
[00:08:27]  I can remember even when I was at summer camp, I was probably 11 or 12, getting into my first fistfight.
[00:08:36]  And, you know, the council broke it up and so on.
[00:08:40]  I actually got a good punch in.
[00:08:42]  The guy attacked me.
[00:08:44]  I mean, it's all coming from my perspective, so take it with a great assault.
[00:08:49]  But in some ways, like...
[00:08:52]  Part of life is getting into trouble.
[00:08:54]  Part of life is experiencing some sort of danger.
[00:08:59]  I don't know.
[00:09:00]  I mean, if two guys out at a bar get into a fistfight, is that really something that we should charge them with assault for and put them away for a decade?
[00:09:13]  Isn't that sort of part of life?
[00:09:16]  So, I don't know.
[00:09:17]  There is this overriding...
[00:09:22]  Overriding assumption of total safety, the idea that any sort of violence, even if it's very limited, is just totally something that cannot be accepted.
[00:09:37]  And you see this, I think that sort of spirit undergirds both the prosecution of, say, Nick Fuentes for something that wasn't a big deal, in my opinion, but also...
[00:09:52]  The notion that, you know, oh, that guy, yeah, he might have murdered someone, but we're just going to let him off.
[00:09:59]  There seems to be one sort of impulse running through all those things.
[00:10:05]  So anyway, just to recap, we had a number of people come in.
[00:10:10]  I do think, to be brutally frank here, that Nick was in the wrong.
[00:10:17]  When he stepped out of his house, he didn't have to step out of his house.
[00:10:22]  And he threw the first punch, as it were.
[00:10:25]  He maced this woman.
[00:10:27]  I mean, I'm just going to be honest.
[00:10:30]  That being said, it's just simply not a big deal.
[00:10:34]  And the notion of some sort of severe punishment of Nick just strikes me as totally outrageous.
[00:10:43]  Probation, suspended sentence, some light thing.
[00:10:46]  That's what you should do in this sort of situation.
[00:10:51]  Anyway, I guess that's kind of all I got.
[00:10:55]  I just wanted to jump on and throw out a few ideas.
[00:10:59]  You guys ask me a question in the comments, I'll answer it.
[00:11:02]  A good question, that is, not one of your typical inane comments.
[00:11:08]  Can you countersue?
[00:11:11]  Well, first off, it's not a civil lawsuit.
[00:11:14]  It's a criminal complaint.
[00:11:16]  I mean, I guess he could start suing some of these people who were calling for violence or something.
[00:11:22]  I don't know how far that will go.
[00:11:24]  I mean, again, he's a public figure.
[00:11:28]  There's a free speech element to this, particularly with the public figure.
[00:11:34]  I mean, basically say that...
[00:11:36]  The President of the United States is the devil himself and get away with it.
[00:11:39]  You probably can't say that about your neighbor who's a private citizen.
[00:11:45]  Would this be a big deal if it had been Pink Shapiro?
[00:11:50]  I hope conservatives come out in support of Nick.
[00:11:55]  I hope they say what I said.
[00:11:57]  It's best to be honest about the situation.
[00:12:01]  I think some people saying he did nothing wrong or something.
[00:12:05]  Look, it's okay to do things that are wrong.
[00:12:08]  We've all done things that are wrong.
[00:12:10]  It's best to be honest about it.
[00:12:11]  But again, this notion that he's going to be severely punished is what I find just totally absurd.
[00:12:20]  I mean, his response was understandable.
[00:12:24]  It's just a huge difference between someone who, say, walking around the streets of Chicago.
[00:12:32]  Macing people at random for the thrill of it.
[00:12:35]  That is totally different.
[00:12:39]  Getting very anxious and nervous, feeling like people are going to come to your house and attack you, and then kind of striking first.
[00:12:47]  And striking with a non-lethal weapon.
[00:12:50]  Mace is meant to get people off your case.
[00:12:54]  It's not meant to do permanent damage.
[00:12:57]  Or someone's not meant to kill anyone.
[00:13:00]  Do you think that Nick paying a less than 1k fine is reasonable in exchange for a deferred yes adjudication?
[00:13:07]  Yeah. Something like that.
[00:13:11]  I think that would be fine.
[00:13:14]  Is he free now?
[00:13:15]  I think he's free.
[00:13:16]  I think he did a live stream tonight.
[00:13:18]  He's just on his own reconnaissance as they say in legalese.
[00:13:27]  All right.
[00:13:28]  I'll answer two more questions if you have them.
[00:13:32]  If this were any other party, would charges even be pursued?
[00:13:36]  Good question.
[00:13:37]  I don't know the answer to that.
[00:13:40]  I would probably say maybe.
[00:13:44]  I don't know.
[00:13:45]  Just sort of imagine a different situation.
[00:13:50]  Your neighbor hates you or something like that.
[00:13:53]  You got into a big screaming match.
[00:13:55]  And then you walk over to your neighbor's house to apologize, and she sprays mace in your face.
[00:14:03]  Again, even in that situation, I don't think that person should be thrown into the jail or spend hard time, like a year in jail.
[00:14:13]  Is that prison?
[00:14:14]  What is it?
[00:14:14]  Over a year's prison?
[00:14:15]  I forgot what it is.
[00:14:18]  No, even in that hypothetical situation I came up with, the idea of severely punishing people without criminal records, who are not a menace to society.
[00:14:27]  They're not doing this all the time.
[00:14:29]  They're not brazenly and with depravity going around town assaulting people.
[00:14:37]  I mean, I just don't think that those people should be punished.
[00:14:44]  Severely. I think the slap on the wrist.
[00:14:46]  Maybe a literal slap on the wrist.
[00:14:48]  He should hold out his wrist, take the slap, and then go on his merry way.
[00:14:55]  That would be reasonable.
[00:14:59]  Rand Paul's neighbor got arrested for worse.
[00:15:01]  I forgot the details of that case.
[00:15:04]  Wasn't there someone who was trying to kill Rand Paul at some point?
[00:15:09]  Do you think this is an example of an anti-Semitic hate crime?
[00:15:13]  No. No, I think Nick was freaked out, understandably freaked out, and he just came out swinging, and he shouldn't have done that, as I said.
[00:15:25]  I'm going to be honest about it.

=== Paid Subscription Appeal (00:45) ===

[00:15:29]  Do you think Donaldson, the autonomy versus asylum suit, was justified?
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[00:15:37]  All right, guys.
[00:15:38]  Well, I just wanted to get that off my chest.
[00:15:41]  Maybe I'll do a couple more of these.
[00:15:44]  And just to, you know, if I have a thought here and there, get it out via the Substack stream.
[00:15:51]  All right, guys.
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