The Arrest of Nick Fuentes
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All right. | |
Hope everyone is doing well. | |
I might just vamp here for five seconds as the connection is taking place. | |
Hope everyone can hear me and everything. | |
Well, anyway, I'll start talking. | |
So, we are forced to discuss Nicholas Jake Fuentes and his recent arrest. | |
I think he has a hearing coming up in a couple of days. | |
And I'm actually going to be brutally honest about the situation. | |
And so I think I might even sort of piss off both sides. | |
I don't think so. | |
I'm going to be definitely honest. | |
So I've seen the video of the incident that took place. | |
And this came after the election. | |
It came after Nick went mega viral with a monologue and tweet regarding You know, your body, my choice. | |
You know, look, he was obviously joking, but kind of asking for a response to that one. | |
But, you know, he was a comedian. | |
He is a comedian, of course. | |
And there were death threats. | |
There was a massive reaction to it. | |
People were singing songs about attacking him and so on. | |
I think that Nick, understandably... | |
Felt like his life was in danger to some extent. | |
That someone might very well come over and try to harm him or do something. | |
So I think his reaction is very understandable. | |
That being said, this is the problem. | |
He's been charged with a misdemeanor battery. | |
And that can go up to one year. | |
Now, I think that would be totally outrageous if that happened. | |
But if any of you guys are subscribers to our members-only talks, you can go back to the feed and listen to me talk about it then. | |
I do think he did the wrong thing at the end of the day. | |
And I'm just going to be honest. | |
I would certainly say this to his face. | |
He should have either not opened the door, or if he did open the door, don't just come out swinging in the sense of spraying mace. | |
Talk to her if you want. | |
You don't have to. | |
You have a right to be in your own home. | |
So I'm just going to be honest here. | |
The whole thing was fairly funny and everything, but I think he's in the wrong. | |
Now, that being said... | |
The idea of Nick going to prison for this lapse of judgment I think would be just beyond insane. | |
A lot of people use the term anarcho-tyranny as coined by Sam Francis in Chronicles magazine 30 years ago or maybe even more than that. | |
It's the notion that The state is tolerating people whom it should arrest or prevent from being a menace to society while it goes after, with almost totalitarian intensity, | |
maybe even glee, against people who are upholding society. | |
So it's a sort of worst of both worlds situation. | |
And, you know, this arrest comes in the shadow of the Daniel Penny situation in New York City. | |
I've read about the case. | |
I've obviously not seen every detail of it. | |
Very tough situation, of course, but I definitely think that he was not attempting to kill this young man, Michael Jackson, impersonator. | |
I think he was genuinely trying to save the rest of the people in the car. | |
Actually, in his interrogation, which has been released, and I watched the whole thing, his interrogation with the cops, he said I wasn't trying to kill him. | |
I was putting him into a hold. | |
I feared for my life. | |
I feared for the lives of people around me. | |
He said, I'm going to kill all y'all. | |
I'm willing to go to jail for life. | |
I don't care anymore. | |
I mean, this character is... | |
Clearly suffering from mental illness. | |
I think there was one report that he was suffering from schizophrenia. | |
He's out of control. | |
He is a genuine menace to society. | |
Tough situation, but the idea of putting Daniel Penny away for 15 years from manslaughter seems just outrageous. | |
I don't know what's going to happen on that front. | |
But the fact that we're even thinking about putting Nick away for a year for this lapse of judgment, I think is outrageous. | |
It's the kind of thing that he doesn't have a criminal record. | |
Maybe some people consider him to be a menace to society due to his live stream, but obviously he's engaging in the First Amendment. | |
Just the idea that you need to punish him severely or take him off the streets just strikes me as insane. | |
So I don't know. | |
What I hope might happen, I hope he gets probation or it's thrown out, perhaps. | |
I'm not sure that will happen because there is a sort of crime that took place, the macing that was unprompted. | |
But the idea of punishing him severely just seems insane. | |
It just seems insane. | |
But there's all of this tolerance shown towards criminals around the country. | |
The idea that you'd crack down on Nick Fuentes, just throw the book at him. | |
That would in itself be just a miscarriage of justice. | |
It's the kind of thing that I think it's a slap on the wrist, give him some time to learn his lesson, not do it again, and let him go. | |
I think that would be... | |
Totally fine. | |
I was talking actually with someone this afternoon, and this relates to anarcho-tyranny. | |
There is a degree to which our society does have the worst of both worlds in terms of crime and justice and so on. | |
There seems to be a sort of assumption of, on the one hand, We deserve total safety. | |
And on the other hand, there are people such as the assistant DA in New York City who are talking about restorative justice. | |
There's a viral clip going around of Yuran, the assistant DA who's prosecuting Daniel Penny. | |
And she was saying, well... | |
There was a robbery at an ATM of an elderly Asian man, and it was a young black man, but he pushed him down. | |
He probably didn't mean to hurt him, but I just felt so sorry for him. | |
Let's not charge him for criminal murder. | |
Let's bring it down several notches. | |
This will sort of restore justice on some cosmic level. | |
So we have a situation like that. | |
And then we have an almost... | |
Over-emphasis on safety that I think is sort of anti-civilizational. | |
And I saw this growing up with much of the anti-bullying and so on that was taking place in school. | |
Now, again, I'm not endorsing any sort of harsh bullying. | |
Obviously, bullying can get out of control. | |
But it's also sort of part of life. | |
I don't know. | |
I can remember even when I was at summer camp, I was probably 11 or 12, getting into my first fistfight. | |
And, you know, the council broke it up and so on. | |
I actually got a good punch in. | |
The guy attacked me. | |
I mean, it's all coming from my perspective, so take it with a great assault. | |
But in some ways, like... | |
Part of life is getting into trouble. | |
Part of life is experiencing some sort of danger. | |
I don't know. | |
I mean, if two guys out at a bar get into a fistfight, is that really something that we should charge them with assault for and put them away for a decade? | |
Isn't that sort of part of life? | |
So, I don't know. | |
There is this overriding... | |
Overriding assumption of total safety, the idea that any sort of violence, even if it's very limited, is just totally something that cannot be accepted. | |
And you see this, I think that sort of spirit undergirds both the prosecution of, say, Nick Fuentes for something that wasn't a big deal, in my opinion, but also... | |
The notion that, you know, oh, that guy, yeah, he might have murdered someone, but we're just going to let him off. | |
There seems to be one sort of impulse running through all those things. | |
So anyway, just to recap, we had a number of people come in. | |
I do think, to be brutally frank here, that Nick was in the wrong. | |
When he stepped out of his house, he didn't have to step out of his house. | |
And he threw the first punch, as it were. | |
He maced this woman. | |
I mean, I'm just going to be honest. | |
That being said, it's just simply not a big deal. | |
And the notion of some sort of severe punishment of Nick just strikes me as totally outrageous. | |
Probation, suspended sentence, some light thing. | |
That's what you should do in this sort of situation. | |
Anyway, I guess that's kind of all I got. | |
I just wanted to jump on and throw out a few ideas. | |
You guys ask me a question in the comments, I'll answer it. | |
A good question, that is, not one of your typical inane comments. | |
Can you countersue? | |
Well, first off, it's not a civil lawsuit. | |
It's a criminal complaint. | |
I mean, I guess he could start suing some of these people who were calling for violence or something. | |
I don't know how far that will go. | |
I mean, again, he's a public figure. | |
There's a free speech element to this, particularly with the public figure. | |
I mean, basically say that... | |
The President of the United States is the devil himself and get away with it. | |
You probably can't say that about your neighbor who's a private citizen. | |
Would this be a big deal if it had been Pink Shapiro? | |
I hope conservatives come out in support of Nick. | |
I hope they say what I said. | |
It's best to be honest about the situation. | |
I think some people saying he did nothing wrong or something. | |
Look, it's okay to do things that are wrong. | |
We've all done things that are wrong. | |
It's best to be honest about it. | |
But again, this notion that he's going to be severely punished is what I find just totally absurd. | |
I mean, his response was understandable. | |
It's just a huge difference between someone who, say, walking around the streets of Chicago. | |
Macing people at random for the thrill of it. | |
That is totally different. | |
Getting very anxious and nervous, feeling like people are going to come to your house and attack you, and then kind of striking first. | |
And striking with a non-lethal weapon. | |
Mace is meant to get people off your case. | |
It's not meant to do permanent damage. | |
Or someone's not meant to kill anyone. | |
Do you think that Nick paying a less than 1k fine is reasonable in exchange for a deferred yes adjudication? | |
Yeah. Something like that. | |
I think that would be fine. | |
Is he free now? | |
I think he's free. | |
I think he did a live stream tonight. | |
He's just on his own reconnaissance as they say in legalese. | |
All right. | |
I'll answer two more questions if you have them. | |
If this were any other party, would charges even be pursued? | |
Good question. | |
I don't know the answer to that. | |
I would probably say maybe. | |
I don't know. | |
Just sort of imagine a different situation. | |
Your neighbor hates you or something like that. | |
You got into a big screaming match. | |
And then you walk over to your neighbor's house to apologize, and she sprays mace in your face. | |
Again, even in that situation, I don't think that person should be thrown into the jail or spend hard time, like a year in jail. | |
Is that prison? | |
What is it? | |
Over a year's prison? | |
I forgot what it is. | |
No, even in that hypothetical situation I came up with, the idea of severely punishing people without criminal records, who are not a menace to society. | |
They're not doing this all the time. | |
They're not brazenly and with depravity going around town assaulting people. | |
I mean, I just don't think that those people should be punished. | |
Severely. I think the slap on the wrist. | |
Maybe a literal slap on the wrist. | |
He should hold out his wrist, take the slap, and then go on his merry way. | |
That would be reasonable. | |
Rand Paul's neighbor got arrested for worse. | |
I forgot the details of that case. | |
Wasn't there someone who was trying to kill Rand Paul at some point? | |
Do you think this is an example of an anti-Semitic hate crime? | |
No. No, I think Nick was freaked out, understandably freaked out, and he just came out swinging, and he shouldn't have done that, as I said. | |
I'm going to be honest about it. | |
Do you think Donaldson, the autonomy versus asylum suit, was justified? | |
I don't know what that is. | |
All right, guys. | |
Well, I just wanted to get that off my chest. | |
Maybe I'll do a couple more of these. | |
And just to, you know, if I have a thought here and there, get it out via the Substack stream. | |
All right, guys. | |
Good luck. | |
And also, all you subscribers, wouldn't now be a good time... | |
To get onto the paid subscription so you can listen to the full members-only discussions. | |
It's not a good thing. | |
Just think about it. | |
All right. | |
I'll talk to you guys later. |