This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit radixjournal.substack.comNeema Parvini (aka “Academic Agent”) joins Mark and Richard to discuss the rise from the dead of the “counter-Jihad” movement, racism in service of liberalism, the Boomer Truth regime, Holocaust museums, and much more.
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| All right. | |
| We have a special guest, as announced, that is academic agent. | |
| And we're going to talk about what's going on in Britain. | |
| And I think we might even go into a little bit of history about counter-jihad or whatever we want to call it. | |
| But Nima, how are you doing? | |
| How are you doing, Richard? | |
| You all right? | |
| Yes. | |
| Yeah, I'm doing well. | |
| How are things across the pond? | |
| Great, yeah. | |
| Well, I mean, I am personally fine. | |
| The things are not well. | |
| Well, as regards how the country's doing, it's just been announced that there's going to be this giant Holocaust memorial built exactly in front of Parliament. | |
| Like literally blocking the Houses of Parliament. | |
| That is incredible. | |
| I presume there's already a Holocaust museum in England. | |
| I mean, I couldn't imagine that you've avoided that trend. | |
| Yeah, I mean, obviously there's Holocaust museums here, but the king, King Charles, literally this only happened like an hour ago or something, it's basically been announced that he's going to deliver a speech. | |
| He's going to deliver a speech saying that the Holocaust Memorial Bill is going to be signed to ensure the Holocaust is never forgotten. | |
| And, I mean, I don't know if you can get it on the scratch pad or whatever, but there's mock-ups of how it's going to look, basically. | |
| I'm actually very curious about this. | |
| This is the thing. | |
| From one perspective, you could say that... | |
| A Holocaust memorial would be the Jews' thank you letter to England. | |
| It would say thank you for fighting against Nazi Germany, for holding out in the dark times, and then ultimately proving triumphant. | |
| And it could be this moralizing thing. | |
| Without even seeing the pictures, I know what it's going to look like. | |
| It is going to be a dark, haunting rejoinder to British pride and patriotism. | |
| It is not there as a thank you letter. | |
| It is there as a big downer. | |
| That people will always walk by just when they're feeling good about themselves or that they can achieve something and we can move forward, we can overcome. | |
| They're going to walk by this memorial and they're going to be like, oh gosh, the Holocaust, 6 million dead, the worst thing in history. | |
| We should never forget. | |
| Basically, it's saying you should be weighed down by this event for the rest of your life and with a public memorial for the rest of the century or two. | |
| It's just, it becomes unbearable at some point. | |
| I remember when I was in high school, I think it was high school, maybe it was like freshman year or college, I visited the Holocaust Memorial in Washington, D.C., and it was brand new, and at that time in the late 90s, this was a rather new trend. | |
| And, you know, look, I don't, I'm not a Holocaust denier. | |
| I understand the horrors of history, and I think they're... | |
| Many other horrors beyond the Holocaust that are worthy of historical examination. | |
| But my sense at that place was I just wanted out. | |
| It was like being in a haunted house. | |
| And it was there to scare me, to morally judge me with these threats of never again or never forget or so on and so on. | |
| It's just this... | |
| It gave me the worst vibe. | |
| And I remember thinking, we have all of these great museums on the mall of high art, of European art, of modern art, you know, such as it is. | |
| And why not go and feel a rejuvenation in your life? | |
| Why not go and look? | |
| There's a... | |
| It's a brilliant Rembrandt in the historical art museum. | |
| Why not go and learn about history of the past and feel energized and inspired by art? | |
| And if there is a purpose to art, it must be that. | |
| And I just felt this. | |
| I didn't have the political views I have now quite. | |
| I didn't have the historical awareness that I have now. | |
| I didn't have the critical awareness. | |
| It didn't work on me. | |
| I was just like, I'm tired of seeing this. | |
| On some level, this house of horrors which you've built becomes kitsch. | |
| It becomes tacky and tasteless. | |
| And something you just turn away from. | |
| It's like some tasteless piece of art. | |
| You walk past it. | |
| Some toxic person you know in your life. | |
| You stop dealing with them. | |
| You turn your back on something. | |
| And I would say even when I was in high school, I really turned my back on this stuff. | |
| Because I grasp intuitively, and I don't think necessarily even critically at the time, just this psychological manipulation, this drowning in death and victimhood and despair. | |
| And it was effectively a high-class haunted house like you'd go to on Halloween and get spooked. | |
| Look at that. | |
| Oh my gosh, look at the pajamas. | |
| All the glasses in a giant pile. | |
| At some point, you have to turn away from this stuff. | |
| And I'm not suggesting that we don't historically examine it critically. | |
| I'm not suggesting it didn't happen or anything like that. | |
| I do think it happened. | |
| But at some point, there are bad things that happen in your life. | |
| You're traumatized. | |
| You move on. | |
| I mean, if you think about Israel right now, you still have these Fanatical freaks. | |
| And they're all ugly people, and I'm not surprised by that. | |
| You go to the Wailing Wall, and they just haven't gotten over 70 AD, or the destruction of the temple by Babylon. | |
| They just can't get over this. | |
| And they want to yell at you endlessly about their pain and suffering, etc., etc., etc. | |
| And at some point, it's like... | |
| Listen, guys, I have had enough. | |
| I have had enough of hearing about your trauma and victimhood and getting your ass kicked by the Romans. | |
| I'm just done. | |
| And I want to actually live in this world. | |
| I don't want to be weighed down by gothic horrors, which is what these memorials are really about. | |
| But there you go. | |
| Well, I mean, from a selfish point of view, Richard, you know, I want to write this book, Boomer Truth Regime. | |
| And, you know, the whole idea of Boomer Truth is that the ultimate evil is Hitler, right? | |
| The Nazis represent the ultimate evil in all of history that supersedes any other conception of evil, right? | |
| That is basically the only evil. | |
| And then the ultimate good is something like individual self-expression as, you know, articulated by Mick Jagger or something, you know? | |
| Or, I don't know, it's... | |
| It's the Beatles trying to find themselves in India or something like that. | |
| And a couple of days ago, there was news that a centre called the Anne Frank Centre in Germany was changing its name, right? | |
| The Anne Frank Centre was changing its name because that area is now occupied by migrants. | |
| And the local council said, well, this name doesn't mean anything to the local migrants, so we're changing it basically for woke reasons. | |
| And I was like, wow. | |
| Anne Frank, I mean, I thought Anne Frank was like the Jesus of Boomer Truth, right? | |
| I mean, certainly when I was in school, you know, it was kind of like, if you want to put it, it's like the end boss of Boomer Truth is Anne Frank. | |
| And in fact, for that to happen at this moment, where you have... | |
| Jewish people all over Twitter. | |
| Have you seen this meme? | |
| Would you hide me? | |
| Would you hide me? | |
| Have you seen that, right? | |
| Oh, I've seen it, yes. | |
| I mean, while this is in the ether, they're literally changing the name of a building called after Anne Frank. | |
| So I was like, shit, by the time I write this book, it's just going to be out of date. | |
| It's going to be like, boomer truth is over already, you know? | |
| Yeah, do you think that's the case? | |
| Well, okay, I'll let you finish, and then we can examine this. | |
| So when David Cameron sent out this tweet saying, you know, we're going to build this so people never, ever, ever forget type thing, my immediate response was, well, it's only natural. | |
| This is the national religion after all. | |
| And I really think that we're in a crossroads. | |
| We're in a crossroads for where the boom of truth is able to persist past this 75-year point. | |
| I've heard the 80 years is typically the length of time given for the Jewish state, right? | |
| Right. | |
| And we're at a crossroads, and every day, I'm like, ooh, it's going this way, and ooh, no, the worksters are going to win. | |
| And it's very difficult to pass, actually, which way it's going to go. | |
| On the long-term trend, I agree with you and Mark. | |
| I have to say, your coverage on this show has been excellent, and I've listened to all your shows. | |
| I agree with you and Mark that Israel is... | |
| Is in the process of delegitimating itself in the eyes of the world and losing moral authority. | |
| And there was a moment there where I thought, oh, look, this atrocity is so bad that the USA is going to have to put Israel in its place, right? | |
| But then the way this last week has panned out with Blinken going there, Netanyahu basically no-showing a press conference, and then watching Blinken go to... | |
| Turkey and get snubbed by Erdogan and basically come home, tail between his legs, achieving nothing. | |
| I'm like, oh, right, okay. | |
| Maybe Israel really is the tail that wags the dog. | |
| I mean, Netanyahu, as things stand right now, is probably the most powerful man in the world. | |
| Yes. | |
| But I don't think that that is a situation that can persist in the long run. | |
| And I suspect he'll end his days in jail. | |
| And I suspect that in the long run... | |
| What we will see is Zionism as an ideology killed forever. | |
| And Israel will basically have to be a normal, secular state living by the same kind of globalist, humanist rules as all the rest of them. | |
| And they'll have to imbibe the rainbow dildo and the gay disco and all the rest of it. | |
| And then another thing I think may have happened. | |
| Is that if you type in Benjamin Netanyahu, just type in Netanyahu into Twitter, what you'll be faced with is walls and walls of memes made by leftists, some of them made by Keith Woods types, right? | |
| Basically showing Netanyahu as Hitler, i.e. | |
| the ideology that Hitler had has now been inherited by the Israelis. | |
| In fact, on the left, they have this, they almost describe it as like the cycle of abuse, like an abused child then grows up to be the abuser. | |
| So I think that Netanyahu may have also killed off the idea of ethno-nationalism for another 50, 60, 70 years, because many people in the world will... | |
| With some justification, draw the conclusion that this ideology, the ideology of ethno-nationalism, leads directly to genocide. | |
| Now, that is not necessarily the case. | |
| I'm just saying they'll look at those two data points, Hitler and the Holocaust, and now Netanyahu seemingly repeating it, seemingly doing his own kind of genocide. | |
| And, I mean... | |
| Honestly, in terms of PR, I mean, the channels that are running news about Gaza calling it a genocide are massive. | |
| I'm talking like Democracy Now! | |
| There's one called Redacted. | |
| I mean, these are channels with, you know, millions of subscribers and the sorts of voices I've seen have, within our current paradigm, moral authority. | |
| I'm talking like Judith Butler. | |
| You know, Nobel Peace Prize winners. | |
| I mean, this is not, this is untenable to think that Israel is going to be, you know, in the short term, they may get away with it while they have this corrupt government in America. | |
| But in the long run, I think that actually the UN has never had more moral authority than it has right now. | |
| And I think in the long run, the... | |
| What I call the techno-globalist types, the Davos types, who are ultimately not hardcore Zionists, many of them, right? | |
| I think, ultimately, they will come out of this on top, and Israel, as the Schmittian exception, will be put to bed forever. | |
| I mean, that's how I see things go. | |
| I totally agree with what you foresee, in fact. | |
| You were putting forward this notion that it was the woke versus Zionism. | |
| And a little more than 100 years ago, at the end of the First World War, there was all of this enthusiasm, elite enthusiasm, for ethno-nationalism. | |
| And that led, in large part, to the formation of Israel. | |
| And I think that is now gone and probably gone forever or for a hundred years or something like that. | |
| I think they will complete their mission. | |
| And I think Biden will actually be kind of scapegoated for this. | |
| I think Biden's going to lose the 2024 election. | |
| As outlandish as that seems, he's going to lose to a man in jail. | |
| I don't want to sound too conspiratorial, Richard, when I say this, but increasingly, as I've seen the way the discourse is playing out and so on, I actually think that America is already a Jewish nation. | |
| Calling it the West is no longer basically true. | |
| I think basically since World War II, we live. | |
| You know, in a Jewish paradigm, okay? | |
| And I don't mean that... | |
| I don't mean that... | |
| I'm just... | |
| What I mean is, like we were talking about the Holocaust Memorial being erected in front of the Houses of Parliament. | |
| So the first thing you see there is that, rather than the longer history of the nation. | |
| The way that... | |
| People talk, especially the boomers and the older generation, talk about Jewish people in general. | |
| It's almost like they're kind of... | |
| I don't know. | |
| Did you happen to see the Douglas Murray interview on trigonometry that's been doing the rounds? | |
| Yeah, I was going to play that. | |
| Let me keep talking and I'll share the screen and I'll play it so that we have something to... | |
| react to. | |
| Oh, yeah. | |
| They come up with this idea, for instance, that there are indigenous people who were moved out. | |
| The Palestinians are the indigenous people and they were moved out by the Jews. | |
| You can do that if you want. | |
| Now let's do Britain. | |
| You want to play the indigenous people, own the land first game, and the other people should fuck off? | |
| I do not want to live in a country with Hamas supporters. | |
| I want them deported. | |
| I want them chucked out. | |
| Simple. | |
| If there are people in the UK, Who are offended by the posters of missing Jewish children? | |
| They must leave. | |
| That clip is just like, you know, it's the epitome of groveling, essentially. | |
| But Mark, you have not, I mean, the whole, that whole interview is, it's about an hour long, okay? | |
| And I have to say the two trigonometry guys, I am not fans of theirs. | |
| I actually met them in real life once, but, you know, I didn't get. | |
| I kind of got Grifter vibes off them, to be honest. | |
| These two trigonometry guys, they look absolutely terrified throughout the entire interview. | |
| Especially the one, I mean, there's one guy who is Jewish, and then the other guy is non-Jewish. | |
| The non-Jewish guy has, you know, you can see the look in his eyes at various points where it's like, what am I doing here? | |
| You know, it's like, you know that look where somebody's like, you know, I want to jump out the window or something. | |
| But let me just read you what Douglas Murray says during this interview, Mark. | |
| Okay, you have to hear this. | |
| One of the simple problems about antisemitism is that it is a shape-shifting virus. | |
| At one point in the history of Europe, they were hated because they were poor. | |
| And then when they were rich, they were hated when they were rich. | |
| They were hated for not integrating. | |
| And then hated for integrating. | |
| In the era where you could hate people for their religion, they were hated for their religion. | |
| And then when that became impossible in Europe and you couldn't hate people for their religion, they were hated for their race. | |
| Then at a particular point, we discovered that you could not hate people for their race anymore. | |
| So what did they hate them for if they were Jewish? | |
| They hated them for being stateless. | |
| Then the Jewish people got a state and they were hated for having a state. | |
| Now, you cannot tell me in this situation that there's a coincidence here. | |
| It's not a coincidence that every way you do it, it ends up like that, says Douglas Murray. | |
| And then directly after, he says, antisemitism tells you about the person who suffers from it, not about the Jews. | |
| Tell me what you accuse the Jews of, and I'll tell you what you're guilty of. | |
| So there we go. | |
| That was his kind of long spiel on... | |
| Antisemitism. | |
| Yeah, I mean, it's just one big sob story, ultimately. | |
| I mean, I don't want to appear callous or anything like this, but it's like, you know, I mean, evidently, there's, it's not just, I mean, these are kind of like these sort of kind of hackneyed things that get thrown around the dissident right, for example. | |
| So I apologize preemptively if I'm seeming cliche in any way. | |
| But maybe I can try to put it in a more kind of civil presentation or gentle presentation, at least. | |
| But yeah, there's this idea that, well, Jews have had a lot of problems. | |
| Apparently, they've been kicked out of many countries and they've had conflict with host countries, ethnic conflicts, right? | |
| But the sort of the presentation that they're never at fault, it's just a kind of absurd narrative. | |
| Or that there's nothing that they're doing wrong that could possibly be creating these scenarios. | |
| And at some point, it's, you know, people become mature enough that they say, well, that doesn't make sense. | |
| You know, my concern, of course, is that we could be, I think it is definitely the case that we're entering in a kind of, we're entering an anti-Semitic phase. | |
| And a lot of this, if you've listened to the shows, You know my perspective on this. | |
| Because of the democratization of media through social media, this has kind of gotten out of the bag or it's kind of gotten out of control. | |
| And I think that the best thing we can do, in my opinion, is provide a leadership or seek to provide a kind of intellectual leadership that does not repeat things that have occurred in the past. | |
| That prevents those things, but finds a way of negotiating this Jewish problem, as it were, in a way that's humane and fair. | |
| I mean, you know, we can't live in a society where they can talk shit about us, but we can't talk shit about them, or they're above reproach and this sort of thing. | |
| It's just not, those are not acceptable terms. | |
| You know, I mean, Jews would not... | |
| Oh, please. | |
| I mean, it's a reoccurring problem all through. | |
| I mean, you could read Henry Ford, you can read Hilaire Belloc, you can read... | |
| And it's always the same, where their perspective is like, listen, we need to be able to talk about this. | |
| But the response is always the same. | |
| Basically, hardcore censorship, you know, like they will not accept any... | |
| Responsibility or anything at all. | |
| So it immediately becomes a matter of all or nothing. | |
| And it's this kind of all or nothing thing that then snowballs into the sort of thing that we're seeing in Gaza today. | |
| One of the things I wanted to ask you, Mark, one of the things I've often wondered about is the extent to which Nazism Our | |
| perception of Nazism or actual National Socialism? |