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Oct. 6, 2023 - RadixJournal - Richard Spencer
01:06:59
Your Birthright For A Mess of Pottage

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit radixjournal.substack.comAdam Green joins the show. And in the free sample, Mark Brahmin and he discuss Revelations, prophecies, the Bible’s demotion of the “first born,” and more. Additional topics of discussion include Elon Musk and the ADL, the questions over the disappearance of Élora Patoine, and other matters.

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But yeah, what's your view on Trump?
I think he's gonna get back into office.
I've been saying it since he lost.
I predicted he would win, but if you could script...
A movie even better.
It would be to lose and to claim that the election was stolen and to have January 6th.
And then now we've got this ousting of the Speaker that's unprecedented.
And they've had this plan to get Trump in as the Speaker of the House going back since at least 2021.
Roger Stone was floating the idea.
Same with Steve Bannon and Wayne Allen Root.
He's the Jewish guy that I think is a Christian Jew.
Who hosts the fourth hour of Infowars, but he very famously did some monologue where he said Trump is the...
Israel loves Trump like he's the second coming of God, like he's the savior of Jews, the king of the Jews.
That's what he called him.
And Trump retweeted that and said, thank you.
And so I honestly think that...
You know, they believe in reincarnation, and the rabbis have been calling him the Messiah of Edom.
They've been saying his name equals Moshiach and Gematria.
I believe they think he's going to play the role to oversee the fall of America, the fall of what they believe is Edom, Christendom in the West, according to their prophecies.
And it'll be with famines and plagues and the big war of Gog and Magog between Who they identify as Russia and as well as Persia involved, Iran involved as well, and versus the West and America.
So if they have their way, if they're carrying out these prophecies with the believers manifesting these things into existence, that's what I think is going to happen.
In prophecy, is Iran...
Do they have a different identification from...
Persia.
They're called Persia.
Okay, but in prophecy, that's what they're called.
They're not...
Okay, as opposed to Gog and Magog, who is...
Well, it's included in the Gog and Magog.
They say Persia too.
And also Kush and Put, which is some African countries.
And remember just recently, very publicly, like all the African countries are working with Putin and like loving Putin and Putin sending them resources or whatever.
And so they're joining in too.
Yeah, no, I mean, it's all interesting stuff.
I mean, it does, there does, you know, and it kind of relates to sort of some of the work that we're doing where, you know, even if people, because obviously, There are religious Jews, as you point out in your work, that believe this shit, right?
But it's not just that they believe this shit, they work to bring it about, right?
So that's part of prophecy.
And probably you would agree with that assessment.
Isn't that part of it, wouldn't you say, that they're also kind of actively trying to bring about prophecy?
So it's not just that they believe it, right?
Absolutely, yeah.
It's not real.
It's not supernatural.
It's like they have a script.
They know what has to unfold.
They're trying to follow the blueprint.
They believe they're supposed to try to work in this world to hasten these things to happen.
And there's even a verse in the New Testament where Christians are supposed to hasten it too.
So yes, they want it to happen.
They're working towards making it happen.
And at the very least, if you're a believer in the end times prophecies and they appear to be unfolding, are you going to step in and try to stop them when you believe it's God's plan and it needs to happen for Jesus to return and save the day?
I don't think they will.
Yeah, no, it's crazy shit.
But what I was going to say is I think that there is another dimension to this prophecy, and that is there's a kind of cultural, psychological dimension where these prophecies are sort of in the air, right?
Including appearing esoterically, for example, in Hollywood films or something like...
You know, like a film where Marvel is showing an apocalypse or something like this, right?
I forget the name of that big Marvel film, but there was one essentially where Thanos causes 50% of the population to disintegrate, right?
So it's basically a film describing an apocalypse, and the mythos that they're drawing from is Stan Lee.
It's a kind of heavily Jewish myth body that they're drawing from, including Jewish producers making it and this sort of thing.
So it's in there.
So a lot of biblical ideas are in there, and a lot of these superheroes are referencing biblical figures.
Right, so there's a kind of biblical inspiration or messaging in those films.
So it seems like it's, you know, so people are kind of being conditioned in a way through a mythos like this, being prepared, expecting...
And even being motivated toward an apocalyptic circumstance.
Now, of course, it becomes more obvious in Christianity where you have Christians who are, you know, reading and studying the apocalyptic text and this sort of thing.
And they're also...
Anticipating, but maybe in a more subconscious way, moving toward it, right?
So in other words, if you have these Jews who are at the top of this sort of pyramid scheme, and they are kind of in a more conscious way working toward apocalyptic events, Christians are working toward it because they're being directed by the mythos.
Unconsciously directed in their behavior, and not just in their expectations, as it were.
So, I mean, that's another layer, I would argue, that it works on.
It's, you know, it's not just these Jews, it's the Christians that they've basically kind of, you know, psychologically dominated and made their sheep, you know, through this religion of Christianity.
And, you know, and to your earlier point, at the very least, they're going to step out of the way, right?
They're not going to interfere.
Because, you know, and that is another factor.
Christianity has this sort of pacifying effect, of course, right?
Anyway, so I think it seemed like you were about to jump on that.
Yeah, like, in terms of, like, my faith that they're going to be able to fulfill their prophecies.
Like, I just look at the track record and what they've been able to accomplish so far.
So they had prophecies of the Old Testament that they would have a Messiah that would bring all of the nations to their God.
That didn't happen, but they did create a fake mythical Messiah that fulfilled these prophecies.
And it did work.
It conquered Rome, and they used the power of the Roman Empire to spread the Torah around the world.
Islam also brought the Arabs to, got them to abandon their...
Polytheism, their so-called idol worship, and worship the God of Abraham and be considered Noahides.
And then, so they did that.
And then there was major wars and the prophesied suffering of the Jews, and then that would facilitate the return to their land and the rebirth of their state.
And they were able to accomplish that, too.
And then we hear all the time the Christians say, oh, You know God's real and prophecy is real because it prophesied that Israel would be a state again, and it happened.
It's God.
There's no other explanation.
God did it, and prophecy was fulfilled.
No, it didn't happen.
They just made up a story about Jesus that he fulfilled the messianic prophecies, and they worked as hard as they could, both in the Christians.
Play their role in helping create the state of Israel, one through the Christian anti-Semitism that was the justification for them needing the state of their own, and the prophecy belief that the Jews had to have a state of their own in order for the scripture to be fulfilled and Jesus to ultimately return.
So they accomplished conquering the nations with the Messiah through fake prophecy fulfillment, the state of Israel with fake prophecy fulfillment, and now we see the...
The Gog and Magog script apparently unfolding before our eyes in the fall of Edom the West and Christianity at the same time.
I just feel like it's not an accident, and they're just following their blueprint, and it's working very effectively for them.
No, I would agree with that.
I mean, I think it's remarkable, actually, what Jews have achieved, you know, culturally in civilization and in history.
They could call us anti-Semitic for saying this, but rabbi after rabbi brags that yes, our prophecies are real.
Yes, they're unfolding.
They just say it's God doing it and God working through people to carry this stuff out.
But really, it's just people believing in the scriptures that supposedly speak for God.
Yeah.
No, I think it is kind of remarkable.
I mean, they are formidable in that way.
I mean, we have to kind of give them credit for...
You know, these sort of accomplishments to the extent that we can call them accomplishments and not, you know, terror and destruction, which is part of it, of course.
In any case, Dahir, you wanted to jump in?
Yeah, I just wanted to ask Adam a quick question, if you don't mind.
No, of course.
Yeah, sure.
Yeah, I was going to say, like, understood, of course, I am religious.
I do believe in something like prophecy.
Not in the sense that you mentioned.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was going to say, I know that it comes across as in this is a plan by Jews.
And I'll be honest, do you think that that's something that they actually planned?
As in like...
Oh, this is going to happen, this is going to happen.
Or do you think it's just grifters on a large scale right now?
Because there's Jews in London right now, as it stands, and they are very anti-Israel.
It's not just like a veneer for them.
But the thing is, a lot of the rabbis that I've seen maybe being posted, it's a difficult thing.
It's like a prophecy needs to be understood.
Like it was meant to be understood.
It can't be something like, oh, we're just going to interpret it whatever we like.
So would you say to the, number one, the Jews that maybe are anti-Israel, right, that follow the scripture, that say that they are not allowed to plan to create their own state, which is actually a thing.
And also, I have a question about Jews in Iran.
It's a little known thing, but there's actually quite a lot of Jews in Iran, especially in a place called Isfahan.
What do you think about that?
Because I remember there was this one interview with this American, I think he's like a, he was like a political, he was a defect, he defected from the Soviet Union.
I think his name was Yuri Bezmenov.
And then he spoke about seven Arab or seven Muslim countries that would be invaded.
That America would go to war with.
And it's very, very interesting that there's only one country that is not on that list.
To add to that, if you know Iran...
I think they were on the list.
Iran wasn't one of the seven countries on that list?
They were.
They were.
And they haven't been.
Which is a curious case, you know?
And just to let you know, maybe...
I hope I don't ramble much.
But from...
Teachers that are not like grifters, like these people would literally, they follow the religion to the T, not like political sense or like cloud chases or whatever.
And they speak about Iran and especially the Shia.
And it's actually quite interesting that one of the, really the one that founded Shiaism, at least two Sunnis, right, this is our belief, is a man called Abdullah ibn Sabah.
Al-Yuhudi, which is actually a Jew that they say, we say, they converted and then basically caused a rebellion from within.
But yeah, I know I said a lot.
I have two questions.
Thank you.
Well, thanks.
Yeah, it's a good question about as far as is the prophecy a plan or are they reinterpreting it?
And it's some of both.
You can see, we have the original scriptures, so you can see...
Like, the foundations of the plan and the basics there.
But of course, by the time, religious people are always reinterpreting these scriptures to fit their current situation and their personal circumstances.
And, you know, if a prophecy doesn't fulfill as they predicted, or doesn't happen as they predicted, then they'll reinterpret it and say, well, it actually means this and that.
You know, they'll change it.
So it's a combination of both.
The second question about the anti-Israel Jews, they're a minority, and they're just anti-Israel right now.
They just think the Messiah needs to come first, and then they'll have their state of Israel and all of the rest of the prophecies.
So it's kind of just like a doctrinal minor disagreement there.
And let's see, you talked about Iran.
I don't really know about Iran and the Jews there.
Yeah, I have a question for you.
Sorry, sir.
You go, you go.
Well, I wanted to ask you, so if you're a Muslim, we're talking about prophecy, what do you think is going to happen?
Because you guys, every Abrahamic faith has their own prophecies.
I'm wondering what yours are, and if you've thought, reflected on how that fits into the other prophecies.
I'll tell you.
And the prophecies are specific, and there's a reason why I asked about Iran.
And this is actually such a quite odd.
Two months ago, I saw a story coming out of Israel.
I'll be honest, I think there's a lot of, let's just say, disinformation.
In Iran, there's a city called Isfaham.
And why is Isfaham important?
Why is it important to Sunni eschatology?
How the end of days are going to come?
That's because when the Messiah, or the false Messiah, we call him the Dajjah, We believe that Jesus was Messiah.
He wasn't God, right?
He didn't say he was God.
The Christians are going to say, "Oh, he said for Abraham." He didn't say, "I am the son of God." He didn't say, "I am God." He didn't say anything like that.
But anyway, that's neither here nor there.
The Messiah, when he comes, so when the Antichrist comes, right?
We call him the Dajjal.
He'll come from Iran, and not Iran, because Iran wasn't a state back then.
But the Prophet mentioned a place called Isfahan, which is in Iran.
And the Prophet said he'll come out with 70,000 Jews from Isfahan.
And it's quite telling that it's a city, it's like a big town or a small city of Iranian Jews, and that's a real thing.
I think another thing would be that the Muslims would go to war with Ar-Room.
Ar-Room is the Romans.
Now, from my research, what I've looked into is that first the Muslims would go to war with, like as in on the same side against a common enemy, a common enemy we don't know, that hasn't been stated, would be So it says against a common enemy.
We don't know who that is.
But we will go to war with a Roman.
You are a Roman.
It's not the Romans, the Western Roman Empire.
The scholars that I take from and not the ones that are like, you know, influences really.
The ones that actually like tried to limit things to what they were meant back then.
They mean the Byzantine, like as in the Eastern Roman.
And it's quite interesting that that would be...
To the degree, that would be Russia, that would be certain regions.
And it also speaks about how Constantinople will be conquered.
And there was a prophecy about how it would be conquered.
And, you know, some Muslims say it was already conquered.
But no, the prophecy states how it would be conquered.
It's very specific, and those actions didn't take place.
But yeah, eschatology-wise...
The Muslims and the Eastern Romans, so the Byzantines, which don't really exist right now, will go to war with each other, as then they'll join each other as like, not comrades, but allies to a degree.
And then afterwards, they'll go to war against each other.
Yeah.
Well, that completely aligns with what the Kabbalists believe and what it says in Ezekiel.
It says that Edom, Christianity, and Ishmael will team up.
And they will go against the land of Israel, but then they will...
At first they will go against the land of Israel, but then they will turn on each other and then destroy each other.
And then only Israel will remain.
So it's...
No, Adam, it's actually like that, but it's more specific.
It's as in the Muslims and the Eastern Romans.
So a room would be the Christians.
When they win, like, it's very specific.
It's not like, oh, they're going to turn against each other.
Any kind of way over making women gold or anything like that.
They would turn against each other because Christians would put up the cross and say, "This is why, basically, this cross saved us from this, right?
This is why we won." A Muslim would squabble over that.
Some Muslims would die, some Christians would die, and then now they're at war, but...
I would say, yeah, it does align with it to a degree.
The only thing I would say watch out for is the ones that you may think like, as in the Jews that interpret their religion in any kind of way, because it's almost like grifter, like, they're like the top-level grifters.
And I don't only mean the Jews that do it, I mean the Muslims that do it and the Christians.
Because really, this is an intimate thing.
something that you shouldn't really be saying things out of place with no evidence or very generic Is there any discrepancies between what I said and what's inside the Kabbalah?
No, it sounded just about identical.
Rome and the Muslims will team up against Israel.
But then turn against each other.
It could be fighting over the details of Jesus that they turn against each other.
It could be that...
Say the Dome of the...
Excuse me.
Hold on.
Sorry.
I did like a three-hour stream earlier and I'm losing my voice a little bit.
I also wonder if like something happens to the Dome of the Rock and Christians are blamed.
That could cause a huge rift between them as well.
But I just don't think it's a coincidence at all that the two...
Spinoff religions from Judaism match up with the belief of Esau is Christianity and Ishmael is Islam.
And there's the theme that they're both the firstborn son.
And in Judaism, the firstborn son like Cain is the evil one.
Which is Ishmael?
Is that what they believe?
According to the Jews, yes.
They believe Ishmael was like a wild man and he didn't deserve the birthright.
In the covenant because his mother was Hagar and not...
Yeah, it's not Sarah.
It would be...
Yeah, Hagar was the slave lady, or not the slave lady, but she wasn't married to Abraham.
I was going to say one thing.
It's funny because a lot of scholars that I listen to would say that's the reason of rejection because a lot of people, it's like the prophets would come to them and they would not accept the prophet.
That's outside of their religion.
So this is what I believe, honestly, and a Muslim belief would be that they know the prophet is the prophet, and they have no real...
They'll say he's violent, but you've read the Old Testament.
A lot of prophets were violent, right?
It's the prophet, like Saul, like there'll be king prophets.
So all of these things, they'll give us excuses, but one thing, another thing of eschatology is...
In the end of times, like, which I think we're really at, like, the end game.
And I think it's going to get dramatic from now going forward, but one of those prophecies were the nations of the world would come together and kill Muslims.
And the Prophet said something that's actually kind of frightening, but I think you're really going to see this in, like, the next 20, 30 years.
This is a prediction.
I don't know what I'm talking about, right?
I'm not.
This is not like what the Prophet said, but what the Prophet said specifically was they'll come together and kill you, right?
Kill you, like your people, just like you come around a plate and eat.
And there's an Arab costume that they would come around the plate and they'll divide the food and they'll all eat from their own side.
It wouldn't be messed up, but...
Do you see, like, they'll come together to target Muslims?
Again, I think the last 20 years has been nothing compared to what's really going to happen, but yeah.
Yeah, well, so we take your point, though, Tahir.
I wanted to get back to this, the motif of the firstborn, which, as Adam is pointing out, is a kind of the Gentile is identified as the firstborn in the case of Esau, and Ishmael as well.
And I would even say Adam is also indicated as a Gentile.
And he's also a firstborn.
So that motif is a true and meaningful motif.
And it is interesting, though, that Ishmael, who is understood as, you know, the Muslims see him as their ancestor, that he is kicked out, essentially.
That in some ways he represents essentially that A scapegoat who's kicked out into the desert, right?
And there's even some suggestion that symbolically he's related to a lamb that, you know, Abraham slaughters in lieu of killing his second born, Isaac, right?
So there's suggestions there.
And of course, he's also compared to a donkey, right?
In Jacob's blessing in Genesis, he says he will be a donkey of a man.
And in that story, Where Isaac is brought up to be sacrificed by Abraham, they leave donkeys at the foot of the mountain.
In the Talmud, they interpret that as they're leaving Ishmael there behind as a donkey.
But then again, he could also be represented by this...
The sacrificial lamb that he sacrificed in lieu of Isaac.
And then, again, they're kicked out.
Hagar and Ishmael are kicked out.
They become scapegoats.
So they're rejected, ultimately, by Yahweh on some level.
The covenant remains with Isaac and then goes to Jacob.
And then, of course, especially goes to Judah from Jacob.
Yeah, I mean, what do you think of that?
Do you think that that is a kind of intended motif in that story, that basically Ishmael represents a kind of scapegoat?
You asking me?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh.
You know, I've never thought of Ishmael as the scapegoat.
Sure.
To be honest.
So I don't know about that, but what I will say is It seems really clear to me that the fact that the Christians believe their own version of end times prophecy and the Muslims have their version, but they're all kind of similar together.
And so they all align.
It's almost like the Jewish prophecy has to happen and then the Christians and the Muslims think, okay, well, ours is being fulfilled too.
But it's like a form of conditioning Ishmael and Esau to accept What unfolds according to their end times plan.
And they're conditioned to want it to happen in a way, or at least to not fight it because they believe it's God's divine plan.
And I worry so much because the Christians think they're going to win and their version of prophecy is going to unfold.
Same with the Muslims.
But if the Jews are the originators of the story and the authors...
And the ones that have the most secrecy in esoteric, mystical interpretations of these things, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that they're the ones that have the upper hand here and that are going to come up on top when it finally does all unfold.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
No, I mean, well, you know.
I mean, on some level, there does seem to be a kind of degree of nihilism there, where it's a kind of desire to bring about the end, regardless of who survives, right?
Just imagine a world where there wasn't a dominant religion that believed in end times prophecies and Armageddon and huge wars at the end and suffering and all these things.
We don't have to have this, but because we do, it almost makes it inevitable that at some point believers are going to make it happen.
Yeah, no, no, definitely.
I think it is what we would call self-fulfilling prophecy.
So I agree with that.
I think it is ultimately nihilistic.
So religions that have that apocalyptic literature or prophecy are nihilistic religions, ultimately.
Regular guy, you wanted to jump in?
Yes.
So the Esau story, I mean, wasn't it set up so that Esau was supposed to be the Was supposed to be the chosen people, and then Jacob stole his birth, right?
Isn't that kind of self-defeating of the Jews?
And aren't they, in a way, saying that Esau was the people of God?
Adam, I'll let you answer that.
According to their laws, because he was the firstborn twin...
He should be the one that gets the inheritance and the birthright.
But they frame him as the villain because he doesn't follow the Torah, although the Torah didn't exist at this point.
This is what they say.
He was out hunting and he was drinking and being with foreign women.
So they twist it.
He's the villain.
He also doesn't care about his birthright and he sold it for a bowl of...
Of lentils, of red lentils as well.
And meat.
I heard it was meat as well.
And goats.
Well, there was a goat stew when they stole the blessing from Isaac.
The mother, Rebecca, the mother of Isaac, I'm sorry, of Esau and Jacob, she teamed up with Jacob to use trickery to trick Isaac into giving.
Jacob, the birthright.
But they feel justified in this because Esau also, she had a prophecy when they were both in her womb that there'll be two great nations, but one of them will be like idolatrous.
And they started believing that Rome represented Esau definitely at the time when the temple was destroyed because The Edomites are associated with the destruction of the temple.
The first temple, they participated and celebrated it.
And so also because they saw them as the firstborn kingdom, the kingdom that came before Judaism because they were the big empire.
So they were the firstborn.
Then they needed to take their birthright by taking their gods and by Jacob dressing up.
As the goat pretending to be Esau, it's almost like the Jews dressing up and pretending to be the Messiah and the God of the Gentiles is what I think that allegorically represents.
Makes sense.
Did that quite answer your question there?
Yeah, that's just something that I've always found weird about it.
It's almost as if the Jews aren't supposed to be the chosen people and it's almost as if the Europeans are actually...
God's chosen people and the Jews had to steal it.
If I was Jewish, I would interpret that as fairly demoralizing on a face value level.
Well, so I think it points to this sort of subversive nature of Judaism generally, right?
So if we understand Esau, Esau could represent a founder group of a civilization, for example, so Aryans, and then Jews could represent a second born.
You know, arriving second, essentially, right?
I mean, that's one way that you could read it.
But in ancient civilizations generally, the firstborn was, you know, he was the one who inherited the wealth.
I mean, that's not particular or specific to Judaism.
That was just sort of, that's the kind of custom in the ancient world.
And, you know, it's the custom in traditional societies.
The firstborn inherits the wealth.
So there is a kind of subversive messaging in there where the second, it's actually the second born.
That inherits the wealth.
He steals his birthright.
So there's a kind of larger metaphor there, you could argue, where the Jew is a sort of second-arriving or second-born in a civilization, and his goal is to kind of usurp the Aryan, usurp the birthrights of the Aryan represented by Esau.
Exactly.
And maybe it was the Greeks or the Romans, but the Gentiles had the kingdom and had the power.
And there's also beliefs that before...
Adam and Eve in the primordial worlds, there were seven kingdoms in the primordial world and that they they were all kings of Edom also.
So it very likely could be right, Mark, about that.
And I did not know about the seven kingdoms.
Yeah, check that out.
Here's straight from Times of Israel, a rabbi's article.
It says, even though Edom at the simple level is another name for Esau, at the deeper level, Edom is the primordial Tohu or chaos, according to Kabbalah, and represents the antithesis that precedes Israel.
So they saw, I forgot where it was, but some lecture from some academic was talking about how they started to identify Rome with Esau.
The fact that they definitely identified it with before it became Christian is like a giveaway that they targeted Rome with Christianity.
It's not a coincidence that Esau matches up with Christianity so closely.
They created it that way.
Yeah, no.
So, yeah, and I think that what I would say about Esau, too, is that it does appear that he, you say that he traded his birthright for goat stew.
I've actually never.
Red lentil.
Red lentil.
Yeah, yeah.
In the Hebrew, though, actually, the name for the stew itself is Edom, right?
So he's sort of eating himself, as it were.
It would seem metaphorically, right?
Right, because red, Esau is red also, exactly.
Red stew.
Yeah, the red stew, the name for the red stew is Edom.
He's also, in multiple passages in the Hebrew Bible, it says basically Esau is Edom.
So there's no kind of confusion as to that Edom equals Esau.
And then Esau becomes sort of the founder, essentially, of Edom, right?
So he becomes...
The tribe that is also Edom, essentially.
And actually, I've got a video of Kabbalah Rabbi talking about that they have a lore.
I doubt it's true, but they believe that Remus and Romulus, that they were nurtured and suckled by...
I'm forgetting exactly what it was.
They feel like they nurtured the God.
Oh, that could be also where they got the idea of Jacob and Esau, either from...
um the egyptian uh what is it horus and and his brother or from romus and remulus could have been a copy of that romulus and remus um were nurtured by a uh wolf a wolf yeah the she-wolf and they think they they try to like take credit for that as if they nurtured Esau as Christianity in Rome, which they did.
I mean, they targeted Rome with it.
Even like Jesus is the star, the birth narrative where there's the star over him.
That's reference to the Numbers 24 star prophecy, where it literally says the star will rise out of Jacob and it will conquer Edom.
Yeah, no, I mean, it's a very interesting mythology, of course.
You know, I think that there is some evidence, though, that points to the idea that even Esau may represent a kind of sacrificial goat.
Absolutely.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, so you're probably familiar with that.
The scapegoat.
The goat is called Seir, and that's where supposedly Esau's descendants went to.
And also, like...
Jacob dresses up in the goat skins that kind of identifies Esau as the goat as well.
And then there's the goat stew.
So he definitely, it's well known in the Jewish literature that the scapegoat of Yom Kippur represents Esau.
Esau is scapegoated.
Christianity and Gentiles are scapegoated for Christianity, even though they're just mirroring all of the stuff that the Jews had.
It gives the Jews a past and Esau is scapegoated.
Yeah, yeah.
But to add on to that, yeah, so the word, the Hebrew word, and his name ostensibly means hairy, right?
But the word hairy that it's taken from also means goat, right?
So you could say that his name also means goat.
And to the extent that he's described as hairy, we could interpret that as goat-like, right?
Because it's describing a goat.
He's hairy.
He's also described as like a beast in the fields as well.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So he becomes the goat, Ishmael becomes the donkey, and Ishmael is explicitly called the donkey in Genesis.
And there's Talmudic verses about the donkey and the ox, which are definitely references to Christianity and Islam as well.
And the Talmud was completed before Islam.
What are the chances that an Abrahamic religion pops up and they all believe that they're the descendants of Ishmael, perfectly in line with what the Jews believed about the Arabs?
Both.
Christianity, I mean, it can't be a coincidence.
Either God's real and the prophecies are coming about, or they are orchestrating this.
Those are the only two explanations.
And it's the latter, obviously.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, it is a remarkable thing.
So it's one of the reasons that obviously we have to reject these religions, because they are nihilistic, essentially.
And ideally, we have our own, you know, just if for no other reason, you know, one reason that you would have a religion is so that you could, you know, the Latin word for religion is often interpreted as meaning to hold together.
And that means holding together with the gods, but also holding together the community.
So it becomes a way of cohering people.
And this becomes especially valuable when you're dealing with basically antagonistic groups that are religiously cohered themselves and that are operating in a cohesive manner because they are religions.
So you can see...
And we have to assume to some extent that some religions may have developed in a kind of reactive manner as a protective measure against other antagonistic religions that were seeking basically to dominate other groups through religion by, you know, metaphorically making them livestock animals, whether donkeys or goats or whatever these days may be.
So that becomes ultimately kind of purpose of religion.
It either has a protective purpose.
Or it has this sort of antagonistic, exploitative purpose, right?
And how convenient that the Christians proudly consider themselves sheep in a flock following their Jewish shepherd, also in line with how the rabbis view us.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, it's 100% a kind of...
I don't know if you're familiar with this story, but stop me or interject if you're also familiar with it.
I'm sure it sounds like you know a lot about the Hebrew Bible, so you probably are familiar with it.
But you're familiar, of course, with the story of Joseph being sold to the merchants.
If you're not, I'll describe it.
So Joseph...
Is one of the brothers, he's one of the tribes of Israel.
So he represents one of the tribes of Israel.
And he's a kind of, I argue that he essentially represents a Gentile, right?
So similar to Esau, you know, even though he's within the tribe of Israel, not every tribe represents Judah, of course.
There's a tribe called Judah.
And Joseph is one descended from the beautiful Rachel.
Rachel is descended from Laban.
Laban's name means white.
She's, you know, her name means baby sheep, you know, and it's a word that's used to describe sheep in Laban's flock.
So the idea is that kind of Jacob is taking, you know, she's a kind of white sheep, as it were, and Jacob is taking her as one of his wives and reproducing with her.
But then there's...
All kinds of funny stuff in the Hebrew Bible that you're not even sure if it's really Jacob's, you know, that Joseph is really Jacob's child.
It could be indicated or insinuated that it's actually Reuben's child, and Reuben is the oldest of Leah.
In any case, I argue that this Joseph character is actually a Gentile character, and in the way that Esau is a Gentile character, he's descended of Rachel, and he's one of two sons from Rachel, including Benjamin.
The rest of the kids are from Leah, including Judah, who's the fourth born of Leah.
But in any case, there's this crazy story in Genesis where basically Judah, or they get pissed off at Joseph because Joseph dreams that he's greater.
He has a dream where all the tribes are like bowing down to him.
And I argue that this is, you know, ultimately Jews are on some level.
They acknowledge, of course, that Yahweh is a jealous God.
So on some level, there's a kind of irritation or jealousy, like their hatred of Gentiles, for example, ultimately comes from a kind of jealousy.
And I'm not saying that is a way of just unnecessarily dunking on them or whatever, though I'm sure, Adam, you wouldn't necessarily be upset with that.
They love to say that we're jealous of them.
Yeah, exactly.
Okay, so you're fine with me saying that.
But yeah, ultimately, Yahweh, at the root of this whole struggle, there is a kind of jealousy of us.
But especially, you might say, a firstborn, like a founding race that they come into later, and then they attempt to steal the birthright.
Joseph was the firstborn of, like, the good mother.
Essentially, yeah, yeah.
The beautiful Rachel.
And Rachel is explicitly described as idolatrous, right?
They can't wean her off the idols of Laban.
So she worships the idols of Laban.
If you're looking at the Hebrew, it's literally the idols of Laban would be the white idols.
She's worshiping the white idols.
And that's a source of tension.
And Jacob is getting basically cucked by the Aryan idols or whatever.
And it seems like he's actually being cucked by Reuben, who I would argue is probably the father of both Benjamin and Joseph.
And Reuben is chastised by Jacob.
During his deathbed blessing, where Jacob basically says, you know, you're cursed, Reuben, because you got in my marriage bed.
Now, ostensibly, he's referring to another one of his wives, the lie, I think is her name, who is actually mentioned in Genesis.
But I argue through these other clues, he's also referring to Rachel.
So in any case, A bunch of different clues.
And I established this in the book.
But Rachel...
So I argue Joseph is essentially a Gentile character, right?
So the story becomes more interesting, of course, because it's an ethnic conflict, right?
So he's basically...
He has this dream.
Joseph has this dream.
And basically the dream...
He has two dreams.
And they basically are the same dream, but using different symbols or metaphors.
And in the first dream, he dreams that...
He dreams of Israel, or basically he dreams of his brothers, and they're represented by these stars, right?
Everyone's represented by these stars, and he's also represented by a star, and there's 12, because they're the tribes of Israel.
Which are most likely zodiacal, and that's why they're called stars, because it's based on astrology, and they didn't really exist.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, that's exactly correct.
Sorry, did I run the punchline?
No, I'm excited that you know.
Yeah, yeah.
No, I think you're exactly correct.
In fact, that becomes a kind of origin or becomes a kind of important source of that symbol.
There's probably earlier, you know, Sumerian or Mesopotamian references to that number 12 and that sort of thing.
But that becomes an important source for like...
You know, the 12 apostles, the 12 spies that go into Israel, the 12 tribes themselves.
You know, the number 12 basically becomes a reference to the 12 tribes of Israel, essentially.
The 12, you know, even affects Arthurian legend, which obviously has this Christian dimension where there's 12 knights at the round table and this sort of thing.
But you're right, it's zodiacal.
That reference is zodiacal.
But yeah, so...
They bow down to him, and there I think Jacob and, you know, the parents are represented by the sun and the moon, and all the stars and the sun and the moon bow down to Joseph, right?
So the other brothers...
And he doesn't have, I don't think he has a little brother.
I don't think Benjamin is born at this point.
So he has, it's all Leah's kids, right, who are his half-brothers.
And Leah's kids are basically kind of these malevolent, like, fucking half-brothers, right?
And among them is Judah, right?
So they're all kind of, with the exception of Reuben, who is probably his father, and he's the oldest of Leah's kids.
And she...
And Jacob may not even be his father.
There's clues that indicate that Jacob may not even be his father.
But so all the kids are kind of like hostile to him, with the exception of Reuben, who might actually be his real father.
And when they hear his story, that they're going to bow down to him.
And I think there's something very deep here, because I think there's this idea, again, it's a Jewish jealousy.
Of the Aryan or Gentile who's basically the world leader or who is the king or who is establishing a civilization and he's got his clan.
And Jews become jealous of that.
They become jealous of the Gentile or the Aryan.
And Joseph is understood as good-looking.
He's described as good-looking as his Rachel.
You know what I mean?
So these are other kind of ethnic clues that are appearing.
Judah, basically, so when he comes, he's looking for them, and Joseph is looking for them after he's told them his dream, and they're all pissed off, and they're shepherding somewhere.
These sons of Leah are shepherding somewhere, and they're all pissed off because Joseph has told them about this dream where he's going to be their boss, basically, or whatever, right?
And they go to another place called Dothan.
Now, the names are very important in the Hebrew Bible.
I mean, as you know, a lot of this shit is just basically invented.
It's parables.
So it's invented.
And later, people can identify cities with these biblical places, but it's a kind of retroactive naming that's going on there.
You know what I mean?
But the name of the place is Dothan, and that's where they are shepherding.
And Joseph comes and sees them in Dothan.
And the name Dothan is very meaningful in my view, and this is the argument I make regarding the parable, is that Dothan, if you look up the meaning of Dothan in the Hebrew, it means their religion, right?
Now, when they're talking about their religion, I don't think that they're talking about the religion of Jews or the religion of Judah.
They're talking about our religion and sort of the religion that they give us, right?
That's my reading of the parable.
But what happens in Dothan is basically they see Joseph, And they humble him because Joseph has become arrogant.
He's this arrogant Gentile who's become proud.
And Judah and everyone else is jealous of him.
So they throw him in a pit, right?
And there could be other metaphors going on with the pit.
There could be more abuse sort of implied in the Hebrew.
So there could be an implication of just a general abuse that's happening.
But they capture him and they throw him in a pit.
And then they...
And then Judah says, okay, well, you know what?
We shouldn't kill him.
We should sell him because then we can make some money, basically.
We can make some money off the guy.
So let's sell.
And this is their brother, their half-brother, who's the son of their father or whatever.
So it's not ostensibly the son of their father, as far as anyone knows.
It's not the nicest thing to do.
You're going to sell your brother to fucking merchants or whatever?
But Judah comes up with this idea.
This myth is influential in the myth of Judas basically betraying Jesus for 30 silver, right?
Because the name Judas means Judah, right?
It's the Greek form Judah.
Just to correct you, it was actually 20 pieces of silver, and they get the 30 pieces of silver that they used for Jesus from Zechariah.
But yes, it was Judah.
Oh no, is that right?
It's 20 silver in the New Testament?
It's 20 silver?
No, the New Testament, Jesus is sold for 30 pieces, but that's a reference to Zechariah and a selling for 30 pieces of silver.
It was 20 pieces of silver that they sold Joseph for.
No, you're right.
You're right.
Maybe I misspoke, but that's correct.
So they sell him for 20 silver.
But you understand what I'm saying is that Judas' betrayal becomes a reference ultimately to this Hebrew Bible story, right?
So which kind of reveals that Christianity itself is parables or invented stories that are referencing the Hebrew Bible.
In any case, they sell...
They sell him.
And to come up with a story, you know, so Jacob, of course, is going to be, is going to want to know where his son is.
So to kind of cover up what has occurred that they've sold him, they fake his death effectively, right?
So they take his famous coat of many colors and they put blood on it.
They put goat blood on it, right?
So in a way, Joseph...
Yeah, Joseph is indicated basically as a scapegoat, right?
And then they sell him to Egypt.
But the reason the parable is interesting is because I think it really relates to the name of the city, Dothan, or the place name, where it's their religion.
So basically it's saying their religion is us humiliating them and punishing them and torturing them and then selling them.
As basically a scapegoat, making them a scapegoat, essentially.
You know what I mean?
So I would argue that that is sort of what's being demonstrated in that parable, is that the religion is basically, and I think it fits with our understanding of Christianity, it's all about humbling the Gentile and making the Gentile submissive, essentially, but to bow before Jewish God as basically a humbled, You know, race that they can then dominate, essentially.
And then from there, basically, you know, what occurs from there is that Joseph goes to Egypt, and it's a kind of story of Stockholm's syndrome, essentially, because he ends up serving Judah and the Israelites in Egypt, despite their abuse and treatment of him, and despite the fact that they sold him as a slave.
There's this whole kind of melodramatic reunion that they have where they're basically kind of, Judah is kind of manipulating him in a psychological fashion.
And they have ultimately a kind of tearful reunion.
And then from that point on, Joseph basically serves them, sets them up in Goshen, gives them a great life in Egypt, while the rest of Egypt is suffering famine.
And Joseph, working with the pharaoh, basically enslaves Egypt.
You know what I'm saying?
So that psychological abuse essentially conditioned him.
That's the argument that I make.
The analysis of those parables basically reveals that a kind of religious psychological abuse becomes a way of conditioning Gentiles to be servile to Jews and servile to the interests of not only the Israelites, but in particular Judah, who is the kind of main player in these parables.
Aside from Joseph.
But yeah, so I just thought that I would relay that to the group.
And I do think that that's basically what's going on.
Religion represents a kind of psychological abuse.
Christianity represents a kind of psychological abuse where we understand ourselves esoterically to be inferior.
To a group of people that can produce gods, essentially.
Jesus is a Jew, and he's born of the Jewish race, and we worship a member of their race.
I mean, it's rather like, you know, this is something I say in the book, it's rather like Cortes being worshipped as like some returning pagan god among the Aztecs or something.
You know what I mean?
Where, you know, Christians are essentially implicitly looking at Jews as gods.
That's the sort of mythos that they're given.
And it's a very humbling mythos, essentially, that gives them a kind of inferiority complex.
And it's by design, essentially, so that they are passive when it comes to Jews and Jewish interests.
And, you know, on a sort of deep subliminal and psychological level, the religion is developed to dominate us and pacify us.
I mean, probably you agree generally with what I'm saying, but...
If you wanted to make additional comments, please do.
Yeah, I got some stuff that you'll probably find interesting about this topic.
Definitely the parallels of Joseph and Jesus are numerous.
Joseph was a shepherd.
He was the age of 30 when he rose up, like Jesus started his ministry.
He was the...
Favorite son of Jacob.
That's why he was given the coat of many colors.
And the background on the coat of many colors is that it actually originates as the skin of the serpent from the Adam and Eve story.
Oh, is that in the Talmud?
Yeah, I believe so.
Some of the Jewish literature.
And it is in the Torah, though, that Esau...
Like hid behind a bush or a tree and then killed Nimrod.
So Nimrod is the Gentile leader, right?
He's the, he had it somehow.
He had this tunic, this coat from Adam and he had Babylon and he had the, you know, he was the world Gentile leader basically.
So Esau kills Nimrod, takes his coat and then this is what the Talmudic secret is.
Or maybe it's Kabbalah, I'm not sure.
That Jacob steals Esau's coat.
When he puts on the goat skins, he says, oh, you smell like Esau?
He's also putting on that coat that he took from Nimrod.
And then people speculate, is that the coat that Jacob that took from Esau?
He took it from Esau and hid it.
And then did he give that to Joseph?
Identifying Joseph as Esau.
Also, when...
So yeah, you're totally right.
Joseph is...
All his brothers are jealous of him, that he has the dream that he's going to rule over them.
So his brother Judah, who represents the Jews, and later they take Judas from, he sells him for the silver, sold for silver.
And he goes into a pit, just like Jesus kind of goes down into hell when he dies, right?
And then comes out and then goes and is sold into Egypt.
But then in Egypt, here's another interesting tidbit.
There's a story that the angel Gabriel teaches Joseph when he's in Egypt, the 70 languages of the world.
And the 70 languages represent the 70 nations.
So this is Jesus.
Going to the 70 nations and speaking their languages so he can convert them to the God of Israel, right?
So Joseph is raised up because his power of prophecy and he becomes the viceroy, the power behind the throne.
He even gets the signet ring from the Pharaoh, supposedly, and then works and then enslaves the Egyptians.
By storing the grain for the famine, and then he works to the benefit of his brothers.
The brothers come and visit him, but they do not recognize him.
So another theme of the Jews not recognizing that their brother, the ruler of the Gentile Empire, is actually their brother because he's in Egyptian clothing.
They don't recognize him until the second visit, the second coming of the Messiah when the Jews will recognize him.
Yeah, yeah.
And, you know, in Adam, I think that one of my readings of that part of Genesis is that basically they're fucking with him, right?
So they're pretending not to recognize him because then they speak in Hebrew.
As if they think that he, because they're assuming that he's Egyptian and he doesn't know Hebrew ostensibly.
But what they say when they're speaking in Hebrew is that like, gee, we really feel bad that we sold our fucking brother to like, you know, remember back in the day when we sold Joseph?
Why would they be talking about it then, right?
So in Hebrew, they talk about how they feel bad and they feel regret.
For selling Joseph to the merchants.
So the argument I make is that they're basically fucking with the guy.
And the ringleader there is Judah, of course, who's orchestrating the manipulation.
And at this point, Joseph is so emotionally vulnerable because, I mean, imagine a kid, you know, and I think he's 17 at the time, but he's abused by them and then he's sold to merchants.
Imagine the kind of sense of rejection.
Ishmaelites even, right?
That's what they say.
He's sold to the Ishmaelites, which represents...
Coincidentally, the Muslims also believe in Jesus too.
So if that's Jesus being sold to the Ishmaelites, there's a connection there as well.
I wanted to mention also, this is Genesis 49. This is Jacob called his 12 sons so he can give them...
Tell them which shall befall them in the last days.
And he says...
Judah will basically rule over the brothers and will have his hand on the neck of thine enemies and the father's children so the rest of the brothers will bow down before thee.
And it says the Joseph blessing.
It says Joseph is fruitful, even a fruitful bow by well.
So Joseph is the branches that run over the wall.
So this is another allusion to Jesus is the branch that goes over the wall into the Gentile city and basically takes him over.
Yeah.
Joseph is basically there.
You could argue that Joseph is a kind of front man.
He's a kind of tool that they use, essentially.
He's Jesus.
It's not that he's Jesus.
It's that they base the Jesus story on this.
This typology of this messianic Joseph figure.
As well as, you know, Jesus is based on an amalgamation of like the new Moses.
He's Elisha, one of the prophets.
He's Joshua.
Exactly.
Joseph, Joshua.
He even has aspects of Esau, obviously, and Isaac even willingly going to be sacrificed.
So the Christians go, oh, he's on every page of the Bible and he fulfilled every miracle.
No, they just had all these stories and created a really good literary fiction and sold it to the nations.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, it is remarkable.
But I think that part of it, and I think we have to kind of hand it to him, even if we grit our teeth while doing it.
One of the reasons that I think it's effective is because it is so kind of interwoven and symbolic and sophisticated on a symbolic level that it becomes mysterious, right?
It becomes mysterious to Gentiles who are like, oh, well, this is like very intricate and sophisticated and symbolic and mysterious.
Plato said something about this.
So Plato wanted to get rid of the myth makers because the power of the myth, reality doesn't matter.
It's only what people believe.
So the myth makers have an incredible power.
He did believe, though, in the noble lie that they have to have a foundational myth that most people believe in, literary, but the initiates, the...
Social engineers know that it's not real and what it actually, you know, allegorically means and stuff.
But it's just interesting that the power of the myth, it's a myth that has taken over the world.
So yeah, you do have to.
Real quick, Adam, Plato wanted to get rid of the myth makers and he attacked art because he feared the competition.
You know, like he himself is an artist and he himself is a massive.
I think might very well have influenced even the production of the Pentateuch.
Septuagint, yeah, for sure.
In the Septuagint time, yes.
I mean, that's a bit speculative and a pretty radical claim.
But there's no question whatsoever that he influenced the development of Christianity and Paul and etc.
So he was kind of the first.
And this is why he's attacking all these myth makers, because he's like, you know, while thinking, ah, you know, I can do this, too.
Well, that's what the Jews did with Christianity, that they wanted to get rid of all the myths of all the other nations and then impose on them their myths that are worshipping a Jew as the Son of God.
Yes.
Yeah, I mean...
Welcome back.
Thank you.
Are you back to stay, Richard, or are you...
I am back to stay.
I'm going to go check on them.
They're in their bed watching the one and only Ivan.
So I'm going to go check on them in a little bit.
But yes, these duties have been performed.
Yeah, we've been having a good conversation.
I've been listening.
Yeah, I've been listening in the whole time, actually.
It's been fantastic.
Yeah, no, we're glad to...
We're glad to have Adam more or less on our team.
We consider Adam an ally.
We like Adam.
I'm still with the Viking gods, but I'm all about going back to the old gods.
All right.
No, that's cool, dude.
We accept that.
We'll make you an honorary...
Our people did go to war for hundreds of years, but we can put that past us for now.
Well, yeah, and I'm not going to hard sell you on Apolloism.
Don't worry about it.
But what I would say is that our people are the same people because, you know, when we think of Apollo, we think of the Hyperboreans.
And so we think especially of, you know, that would include the Germanic tribes, the Gulls, everyone above Thrace, which was Hyperborea, essentially, right?
That was the homeland of Apollo.
Apollo becomes a symbol of...
You know, that, essentially.
Or that's the way that we view him.
So whether or not you consider yourself an Apollonian, we may consider you an Apollonian.
And I don't mean that in a sort of creepy Orthodox rabbi way, right?
Because in Orthodox rabbi, and probably, Adam, you're familiar with this one, is that even if a Jew converts to Christianity, the Orthodox rabbi still considers him a Jew.
I don't know if you've heard that one, but it's an interesting one.
But it always gives them that sort of road back, right?
It's saying that, well, you know, we're not rejecting you, so you always have that road back, essentially.
And I think it ultimately, it also kind of reveals that they're unthreatened by that on some level, you know, because if a Jew is converting to Christianity, he can...
Turn Christianity more toward Jewish interests.
I mean, not that it isn't already essentially designed for Jewish interests, but he can sort of work.
He can be a kind of, you know, someone in the camp, essentially, you know, influencing them toward philo-Semitism, for example.
Yeah, and considering the fact that they're so focused on converting Jews to Jesus, like, it's just, It's so easy to infiltrate and direct it in the way that they want also, which happened a lot.
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