RadixJournal - Richard Spencer - Death Con 3

Oct. 19, 2022 - RadixJournal - Richard Spencer

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Death Con 3

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit radixjournal.substack.comMark Brahmin and Richard Spencer discuss Kanye West’s career and his recent controversial comments in which he identifies the Black race as the “blood of Christ.” Even if “Ye” might be off on the details, he reveals a central ambivalence of any Christian nationalist: he claims to opposes Jewish power but then worships a Jewish god and Jewish savior. Can…

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	Now then, Dimitri, you know how we've always talked about the possibility of something going wrong with the bomb.
	Well now, what happened is, one of our base commanders, he had a sort of, well, he went a little funny in the head.
	You know, just a little funny.
	And he went and did a silly thing.
	Planned Parenthood was made by Margaret Sanger, a known eugenics with the KKK to control the Jew population.
	When I say Jew, I mean the 12 lost tribes of Judah, the blood of Christ, who the race, the people known as the race black.
	Well, listen, how do you think I feel about it?
	Can you imagine how I feel about it, Dimitri?
	We'll meet again Don't know where, don't know where But I know we'll meet again Some sunny day
	As far as, you know, what his opinion is, it's kind of less important than what the social or political effect Of a black guy in his position making remarks like this.
	Coming out, for example, coming out in the defense of whites, making remarks that could be interpreted as anti-Semitic.
	But again, it's more complex than that.
	It sounds like he's coming from a kind of theological or religious perspective when he's talking about being a Jew.
	He is from the inner city, though, in Chicago, presumably.
	Is that correct?
	Yes.
	He was born in Atlanta, and he grew up in South Chicago.
	Yes.
	So he comes from a relatively poor inner city.
	Well, yes and no.
	His father does seem interesting.
	His mother was into the arts and was a...
	Professor, I believe, at Chicago State University where he attended for one year before dropping out to become a professional musician.
	So it's a little more complicated.
	He's not, and you see this a lot, he's not exactly just like straight from the hood.
	And, you know, he doesn't know his father and his mother was on welfare or something.
	That's wrong about Kanye.
	I think he...
	He thinks more highly of himself as well.
	He's probably been around people who are political thinkers like his father.
	He had an estranged relationship with his father.
	But then in this interview, you see all this outreach to his father and demeaning his mother as surrounded by liberals and brainwashed in this way.
	Very interesting.
	But I think it's also safe to say that he wasn't just around people who were selling drugs or working part-time or whatever.
	I think he was actually around people and he's imbibed stuff from them that was political and kind of serious and philosophical and so on.
	And I think that's actually kind of added to his outspokenness and kind of curious personality.
	I think there have been other rap stars, too, who have kind of bumped up against this as well, whether they've had, like, anti-Semitic lyrics or lyrics that could be interpreted as anti-Semitic or have made statements that could be interpreted as anti-Semitic.
	I'm not thinking of them offhand, but it's happened in the past.
	So this is not the sort of first occurrence.
	But what it does reveal, though, is that it...
	Well, I mean, the point that's being made is correct.
	Maybe it's becoming more of a taboo now, ostensibly, with the rise of Fox News and media that has been influenced by the 2006 alt-right.
	Maybe it is becoming more of a taboo to be anti-white, gradually on some level.
	But it has long been a taboo to be anti-Jewish, of course.
	But even among Blacks, which is interesting, right?
	So the taboo exists both among Whites.
	Whites are not allowed to be anti-Semitic.
	I guess Jews would be more allowed, but even Jews are not allowed to be anti-Semitic.
	But Blacks are not allowed to be anti-Semitic.
	So that reveals, though, that there's a kind of hierarchy in this multiculturalism.
	There are some cows that are more sacred than other cows, and blacks are a less sacred cow than Jews, as it turns out.
	He was never called out for being mentally ill when he upstaged Taylor Swift, or when he...
	He called out George W. Bush as a racist on national television at a time of kind of national mourning and unity in a way.
	He was not declared to be mentally ill.
	When he brought up this subject, he was declared to be mentally ill.
	Pretty overtly.
	And he's made comments about being manic depressive.
	I actually don't see that as his main problem, actually.
	And he said, my manic depression is my superpower.
	And that might be the case where not only are you depressed sometimes, we also have mania.
	And you can probably write an entire album in one of those manic episodes.
	But I actually don't think that's even the best way of describing his personality, and whether that's true or not, you know, remains to be seen.
	A lot of people self-diagnose and so on.
	But I mean, what interests me about all of this is that, you know, he did say death con...
	3 or 5 or whatever.
	DEFCON 3, yes.
	Whatever that means.
	I imagine DEFCON strikes me as a black metal concert.
	I think he was trying to allude to DEFCON, which is nuclear war.
	So he was going to go nuclear on the Jews.
	So, you know, when you read that first sentence, you know, it's God knows what he's planning, you know, Holocaust revisionism and...
	Quoting Kevin MacDonald and William Pierce or whatever.
	Okay, you could take that from the first sentence, but I think the second sentence is interesting.
	I can't be anti-Semitic, so he can't be anti-Jewish, which is what I think he really means, because I'm a Jew also, and he said also.
	So he's actually not...
	We're claiming, at least ostensibly, that the Jews aren't the Jews.
	So I have heard that claim made by many people, the Hebrew Israelites that you find in Times Square, they think they are actually the Jews.
	These Jews who are here now are just usurpers, they're tricksters.
	We're the ones who our story is told in the Bible.
	I've also heard that claim from so-called Christian nationalists of a certain stripe.
	Most people who adopt that term claim that now.
	But there is a certain type of Christian nationalist or Christian identity where the Anglo-Saxons are in fact the Jews of the Bible.
	And these Ashkenazi Jews are actually the Khazar converts.
	They weren't the original Jews.
	And again, you engage and there are a bunch of deceptors and tricksters and so on.
	So it's a kind of...
	I think it comes from this ambivalence and problem of being a Christian nationalist and an anti-Semite.
	So you hate the Jews.
	You think they're behind everything wrong with society.
	Hitler was right.
	But you're also a Christian, and thus well over half of the book that you have deemed to be the word of God is their story.
	So how do you reconcile this issue?
	And it's, well, they're not the real Jews.
	We are, or someone else is, or something.
	It strikes me as, you know, if you think about it like a personal situation where someone had a really bad father and was abused by their father and treated horribly or something, you could imagine them coping with that psychologically by claiming, well, you know, he wasn't my real father.
	You know, he just met my mother, and he's a terrible guy.
	But my real father is somewhere else.
	Because you don't want to be kind of tainted by that.
	It's an understandable psychological coping mechanism.
	And I think Christian identity is a coping mechanism.
	You know, I'm sorry, but at the end of the day, the current people who...
	They claim to be Jews or live in Israel or have Jewish identity of multiple kinds in the United States.
	They are the Jews.
	There is a coherent people.
	There is a line stretching from Abraham.
	You know what I mean.
	Exactly.
	But from the ancient world to 2022.
	There is a coherent line there.
	And yeah, twist and turns here and there, but it is actually a coherent people.
	And you can't deal with that because you're both an anti-Semite and a Christian.
	And so you're going to come up with these fabulous tales to justify yourself.
	And so I think there might have been something to that.
	Clearly, Kanye has been exposed to some kind of black Hebrew.
	But he also said, also, so I'm kind of taking him at his word here, and I'm listening to other things, also.
	And so what happened?
	You know, honestly, I could easily see the genesis of, you know, because obviously he's dealt with Jews in the music industry, and presumably he has friends, if not many friends that are Jews, right?
	Yeah.
	And so, you know, you could easily see Kanye.
	Hi with some Jew.
	You know, recording an album and the Jew just saying, yeah, man, we're all Jews or whatever.
	You know, you're a Jew or whatever.
	You know what I mean?
	We're all God or whatever, right?
	So we can imagine the sort of genesis of his particular theology where he has friends who are Jews who he also thinks are legitimately Jews too.
	I don't think that's it though.
	You think he's referencing a particular...
	Yes, I think he has thought through this.
	Now, do I think Kanye is highly intelligent?
	No.
	Do I think that he has a weird personality issue?
	I don't want to diagnose him at this point.
	Yes, I do.
	But I also think that despite it all, he is...
	Trying to say something.
	Like, having an album called Christ is King is an attempt on his part, a sincere attempt to be a real Christian and to say something powerful in a Christian tradition.
	I think it was a genuine attempt.
	It wasn't just some gospel music.
	You can find gospel music in all sorts of pop songs.
	I don't think it means much of anything.
	For Kanye, it means actually quite a bit.
	I think the also in that tweet, even though the tweet was grammatically lacking, I think it actually was meaningful.
	So after this controversy launched, he was banned from Twitter.
	I don't think that we should spend too much time speculating the theology of Kanye West.
	Oh, yes, we should.
	Because it's real.
	You can take it.
	I don't know if it could ever be clearly deciphered, even if it is coherent, right?
	Okay.
	Has he left enough clues?
	And I haven't studied him closely enough.
	Yes, he has.
	Sorry.
	Well, so is your idea that he identifies as a Jew because of a conversion into Christianity?
	So through a Christianization, he becomes a Jew or we become Jews through Christianity, which is-Not exactly.
	Because he does make Christian songs, right?
	Yes.
	So, after this controversy launched, someone at Fox News, apparently, leaked outtakes to Vice Motherboard, which is...
	I actually don't know what that is.
	Some kind of Vice News thing.
	And they...
	Showed what had been taken out of this highly expansive and indulgent interview by Tucker Carlson.
	One of the funnier things that was taken out was that Kanye said that he was vaccinated.
	I mean, you set that question up.
	You have more information about what happened in the hospitals.
	In all honesty, I don't have the most facts.
	No, I mean in your life.
	The COVID vaccine, the being stuck inside.
	What did you think of all that?
	I was vaccinated.
	And you could kind of tell that Tucker wanted to do one of these talking points of, you know, oh, the democratic fascists are on to all of us and whatever.
	But Kanye actually is vaccinated.
	That was cut, which is interesting.
	But there's actually some more interesting things that were cut.
	So, first off, he claims that the black, as opposed to Jews, Jews are a people, they're not just a race.
	So he's kind of going against his father's apparent black nationalism and saying that, no, we need to think of ourselves as a people, and we are the blood of Christ.
	Because we are Jews.
	We are a tribe of Israel.
	So he's not exactly replacing the tribe of Judah or Jews as they are now.
	But he's saying that blacks are part of it.
	It was made by Margaret Sanger, a known eugenics with the KKK to control the Jew population.
	When I say Jew, I mean the 12 lost tribes of Judah.
	The blood of Christ, who the race, the people known as the race Black, really are.
	This is who our people are, the blood of Christ.
	This, as a Christian, is my belief.
	And he makes another interesting claim where he seems to pick up on something that...
	Likely, Candace Owens told him, which is that there are more black babies aborted in New York City than are born.
	And if we go back to Margaret Sanger, you see the racism at the heart of Planned Parenthood and the contraception campaign, which was Margaret Sanger is the founder of Planned Parenthood.
	She was promoting contraception for what it's worth and not abortion.
	But put that aside.
	And that there was a racial component to it, a eugenics component to it to get rid of blacks.
	Now, that actually is true in the sense that Margaret Sanger was sending love letters to Madison Grant and so on.
	I mean, she conceived of herself as a eugenicist, as many, many progressives did.
	Eugenics and immigration reform was a progressive cause.
	And we haven't had it since the progressives of the 20th century, first half of the 20th century I'm talking about, have left the scene.
	But anyway, so he's basically imputing racism into progressivism, which does have a strong...
	There's a good reason to do that, in fact.
	But he also says that Planned Parenthood is thus anti-Semitic, which is odd because Margaret Sanger's Jewish, but...
	Planned Parenthood is anti-Semitic because they are attacking the blood of Christ, which includes blacks.
	So from what I can take it, he is saying that blacks are a tribe, maybe a lost tribe of Israel, but they are a tribe of Israel.
	They are part of the story.
	They were there in the Old Testament, and as Christians, they are continuing the story.
	So I do think it's not that...
	It's kind of smart, and it's weird, but I do actually think it's coherent, and he is saying something.
	And in that way, I think he's actually getting at that weird ambivalence, where he's not sure if he wants to hate the Jews or be the Jews.
	And even though he might be righteously angry at...
	I don't know, Jewish globalists or Jews on Wall Street or Jews controlling the music industry and not promoting Christian messages and all this kind of stuff.
	He still sees himself as a part of that story.
	So it's a profoundly ambivalent outrage.
	But I think this is actually typical and tells us a lot about Christianity.
	Yeah, it's the problem of...
	Nietzsche mocks or describes as ridiculous the Jewish, or rather the Christian anti-Semite.
	It's a kind of incoherent position, right?
	Yeah.
	But, and it's just sort of endless kind of toxic feedback loop, right?
	Where you're kind of, you're fixed to these people, you're fixed to the Jews because your God, your Savior is Jewish.
	Yeah.
	And so likely he sees himself in the role of Jesus, for example, trying to teach or to show Jews their moral failings or that sort of thing, right?
	Right.
	He's attacking the Pharisees.
	But yeah.
	He's not attacking Jews.
	He's attacking the Pharisees.
	That's what he's doing.
	There's a long tradition of this.

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