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It's January 10th, 2021, and welcome back to The Spencer Report.
Baked Alaska once called us the N-word.
Main topic, MAGA's Joker Moment.
Friend of the show, Brad Griffin, joins me to discuss the ongoing fallout from the January 6th goofball insurrection.
The Maine revelers have already been arrested, but Brad and I warn that major indictments are on their way.
Of the individuals and organizations which organize the whole embarrassing, though lucrative affair.
MAGA diehards are claiming this is their Joker moment.
They should remember how that film ends.
Brad, welcome back.
How are you doing?
Doing good, how are you?
Yes, I am well.
Yeah, I never thought that I would see you put on That, you know, bison helmet that you famously have, and that I would be watching you invade government and attempt to take it over, but I guess I should have expected it.
Well done.
You know, the storm has come, but I guess I'll see you in 20 years, buddy.
Just kidding.
The things that people are willing to do for Donald Trump when he has like 10 days left.
Yeah, it is incredible.
So let's talk about this to get it started, because you mentioned this to me.
The Charlottesville and the Capitol Hill siege, or whatever we're calling it, I think...
They're going to be compared.
They've actually, in the mainstream media, they've been compared a lot less frequently than I would have imagined, actually, which I think is telling.
I don't hear this comparison a lot, but I think this comparison is probably quite important for a lot of people listening to us.
So why don't you go through that a little bit and then I think we can tease that out because I think it's comparing them kind of gives us like a sense of the trajectory of the alt-right, you know, writ large is a descriptive term over the past four years.
Well, you know, I sat down and when I initially, like I said, when I initially saw this.
It didn't remind me of Charlottesville at all.
My instant reaction was like, whoa, they've taken over the Capitol.
It's like the Bundy Ranch, the occupation out in Oregon.
That's what it initially reminded me of.
But since this has happened, I've seen comparisons to Charlottesville floating around.
And a lot of them in the media, because there were some of the same people there, I woke up this morning and I was like, you know, there's some things that we're seeing that's very similar to Charlottesville and there's some things that just completely stand out.
It's different.
And obviously the most similar A similar thing we've seen about it is we've seen media hysteria, political hysteria, politicians running around with their heads cut off.
And above all else, we've seen a huge unprecedented wave of tech censorship.
I mean, far in excess of anything we saw after Charlottesville.
After Charlottesville, it was a few of our accounts that got banned.
This was Trump being completely wiped out from social media.
Trump's biggest influencers being completely wiped out from social media.
Tens of thousands of ordinary conservatives being, I guess, someone at Twitter pressed the button and took out the MAGA network.
He got kicked off Spotify, which is, I don't know what that brings in.
That's probably tens of thousands of dollars a day.
I mean, you know, which is real money.
That's not, you know.
Yeah.
They banned the guy from Pinterest.
The funny thing, they banned him from Pinterest.
He's not going to be able to share recipes anymore.
They went after the Trump organization itself.
Of course, they went after Parler, too.
They've taken Parler off Amazon, denying hosting services.
Google Play.
What was it?
Apple?
Yeah.
The App Store gave them 24 hours and then they just kicked them off.
Yeah.
So, I mean, the censorship that we're seeing now.
Even though they were censoring.
Because they, Parler, you know, and as someone, I mean, I am not like a free speech absolutist.
I think there has to be something done on this.
But yeah, I mean, Lin Wood, I think they erased tweets in which this very, now very prominent person was spreading just insane lies and making, you know, insane demands.
They actually were censoring him.
He was doing violent threats against Pence.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And claiming there's going to be a full blackout.
There's going to be a nationwide blackout coming.
I mean, talk about just, I mean...
I don't know, yelling fire in a crowded theater, to be honest.
I mean, doing nonsense like that really isn't.
I made a list of similarities, and I'll ask you if you agree with this.
We'll go through these one by one.
First similarity is that Baked Alaska and Nick Fuentes, AMNATS, and Patriot Groups were present in Charlottesville and D.C., and both events were heavily promoted by Andrew Anglin and the Daily Stormer.
I mean, his banners get out there in the streets.
England has been promoting these Stop the Steal events since the beginning.
And it was, I mean, we've accommodated them before.
It kind of shocked us how quickly the Amnats changed their tune.
You know, previously street activism had been cringe and, you know, everything was, you know, a goo march was something that Wignats did.
And, you know, it leads to bad optics.
And, you know, England himself repeatedly, like, wrote articles.
Saying that, you know, we can't win by doing these street demonstrations and then just turned on a dime as soon as Trump won the election.
But yeah, so like some of the same people who were involved in Charlottesville were involved in the Capitol siege and Bates, Nick, and Andrew Anglin are the top three that come to mind.
So second thing is we saw people with Confederate flags at both events.
Very prominently.
Very prominently, too.
The thing that was shocking about it...
More in the Capitol siege, in a way.
Because that guy, I think one of the half-dozen iconic images, actually, is going to be that guy walking through a hallway of the Senate with a Confederate flag.
It wasn't shocking in Charlottesville because Charlottesville was literally about the Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee monuments.
The whole issue of Charlottesville was about Southern heritage and monuments.
We had just came off that rally in New Orleans, and that was also about the Lee and Beauregard monuments and the Jefferson Davis monument down there.
Charlottesville was just another Identity, American Heritage Rally.
Well, this was actually a guy with a Confederate flag like storming the Capitol in the United States, walking through Congress.
It just seemed kind of more jarring, I would say.
Of course, I mean, obviously, obviously, I got a list of similarities here.
Bad optics involving people like the QAnon shaman who had their own agenda.
So in Charlottesville, we saw a guy show up.
With the Nazi flag.
But even that guy didn't look as wacky as the QAnon shaman.
And even in the capital stage, I mean, there were people...
Did you see the guy who had a coonskin?
He was dressed in coonskins or something?
And this is not even the QAnon shaman.
No, he's actually a prominent son.
He's like a son of a judge.
He lives in Brooklyn.
A Jewish judge.
Yeah, yeah.
He's Jewish as it happens, but I'm not even sure that matters that much.
All of the images we saw of him, he seemed dissociated from reality.
And again, I'm not trying to diagnose someone.
I'm not a doctor, nor would I do that.
But just looking at him, there seemed to be some kind of mental illness or psychological issue of that.
I've seen that look before, that glazed eye.
I am not here, but I am here.
I mean, those kind of people, you need to watch out when you see people like that.
Nothing good comes from that.
There were some weird-looking people in Charlottesville, but nothing compares to QAnon shaming, casting spells on the floor of the Senate, my God.
So also I got here, Charlottesville and the Capitol.
Also, let me ensure the bad optics.
There was a guy who, I actually...
I think, plausibly, you could say, kind of looked a bit like Antifa.
He was wearing black or kind of dark clothes.
But he was interviewed afterwards, and he clearly is not Antifa at all.
He is a MAGA supporter.
He had a, you know, 25 zip ties, which are basically like elastic handcuffs.
That you put on people to detain them.
He was prominently holding those.
And you see something like that.
It's kind of like, why would you conceivably have these items if you were not planning to hold people hostage?
Why would you conceivably have these?
That is really bad.
So we got...
Charlottesville and the Capitol siege were both promoted on social media.
Yes.
I mean, obviously, Trump himself was tweeting it out from his account.
This was all over Twitter.
It was all over – I'm not on Facebook, but I'm sure it was legions and legions upon legions of boomers came from Facebook.
And all this was organized through Stop This Deal, which is, I think, an official organization.
It was promoted by Alex Jones.
For a long time.
So we got Charlottesville on the Capitol stage were both volatile public events.
This is why, if you remember correct, if you remember like I do, this is why immediately after Charlottesville and Shelbyville, we stopped holding these public events because, I mean, we realized that anyone could come to your public event with their own agenda and completely associate.
You with whatever their agenda was, even though you didn't even know the person.
And we saw that in Charlottesville.
None of us knew James Fields.
And it doesn't even look like it.
I mean, even after all the evidence that came out with James Fields, there's no evidence that he had any intention of doing anything but coming to the rally.
And there's no connection between major figures or even...
We didn't even know the guy existed when he came to Charlottesville.
Even in his defense, there's no proof that he was doing anything.
He had his GPS set to go home.
These people like the QAnon shaman, this is not the first time we've seen him.
He was also at the Stop the Still event that we watched in Arizona.
I remember he got into it with Nick.
When Nick was down there in Phoenix.
Oh, really?
I missed that.
I can't remember.
Yeah, yeah.
He's been at other things, too.
This is the second or third time that I've seen him.
He was a familiar figure.
I knew instantly who the guy was when he showed up on the floor of the Senate.
One thing that we took away, and especially groups like Patriot Front, Patriot Front, they have their own events.
They're unannounced.
Heavily vetted.
It's their own people.
They can control the situation.
And all of that was because of the lessons we learned from Charlottesville.
That, you know, if you have these pre-announced public events, Antifa can come and do whatever.
The media can come.
They can send in plants.
I mean, this is one of the big things we learned.
And apparently some people didn't learn that.
Or they forgot.
In fact, they spun on a dime.
Also got here.
Donald Trump condemned Charlottesville in capital siege while noting that good people were present at both ends.
So yeah, Trump came out and put that video denouncing his own supporters, threw them under the bus.
And he did that in Charlottesville, although in Charlottesville he kind of, you know, it haunted them to this day where he said, you know, there were good people who just supported the monument there, which was true.
Yeah.
So, but, yeah, but, you know, both times, you know, if you think...
You know, Trump was your guy.
He let you down both times.
And of course, you know, I got media, firestorm, political hysteria, censorship, deaths and arrests.
And the outcome was not what the organizers of either event had intended.
Now, everything...
Well, I'm not sure I agree with you, actually.
Well, I mean, I say this because I watched Alex's video.
Yeah.
You know, Jones had released the video.
And here's what Alex said.
I watched his video.
Here's his style of the story.
Alex said that the plan was that Trump, it was all orchestrated that, you know, Trump would say that we're marching on the Capitol.
And Alex Jones was, Alex Jones himself had paid for, like, he had spent 500 grand for this event, right?
It was Alex Jones who paid for it.
And Alex Jones is coordinating with Trump, and Alex Jones was supposed to lead the march to the Capitol, right?
And halfway through the speech was over, they were supposed to pull Alex Jones aside, and the Secret Service was supposed to take him to the front, and Alex Jones and Ali were supposed to march down to the Capitol.
Well, what happened was that so many people showed up in D.C. that they couldn't get into the event where Alex was speaking and where Trump was speaking.
And so by the time Trump got through with his speech, thousands upon thousands of people had already left the White House and it already went down to the Capitol.
And so by the time – yeah, this is what happened.
So by the time Alex – this is on video too – so by the time Alex Jones was supposed to lead the march, tens of thousands of people were already ahead of him marching down, right?
And when those people got to the Capitol… There was no leadership there.
Alex Jones and Trump had a big stage outside the Capitol that they had paid for, right?
And the plan was that Alex would lead the march to the Capitol stage, and everyone would gather around the stage, and then Trump was supposed to come and speak while they were having the grandstanding.
That's my understanding of it.
This is fascinating.
Yeah.
So when Alex Jones and Ali actually got down there...
When they actually got down there, they were already storming the Capitol.
I mean, they had already broken in.
Yeah, this is fascinating, and this is very important to say.
I didn't quite know this aspect of it, and I'm glad you told me about it.
But I guess what I was mentioning before when I said I don't completely disagree with you is that it's one, or I don't completely agree with you, it's one thing to say that things got out of hand.
I mean, in Charlottesville, the conspiracy, quote unquote, was to give speeches.
On a field and then leave.
And that was what we were attempting to do.
At least that's what I understood when I was invited to do this.
I mean, I don't know what to say.
That is what I was planning for the whole time, is to give a speech.
And everyone who, my guess is 99 out of 100 people who came, that was their expectation.
The difference here is that...
You could say that we, you know, this was just like the Stop the Steal rally six weeks ago.
We came, we were, we wanted to hear speeches and meet other people, and then we were going to leave.
But the thing is, with, you can't really say that, because, now, I don't think that they intended Bison Man to take over the Senate and Baked Alaska to tweet from, or live stream from Pelosi's office, and that West Virginia guy to put his feet on her desk.
I don't think that was their plan, to be perfectly fair.
But their plan was to disrupt the vote.
So their plan, it's like, yeah, it got out of hand, but they were explicitly planning to do something like this.
And they didn't have enough discipline, and they didn't have enough...
I don't know, good communication or just military organization to accomplish this.
But this is what they were quite literally trying to do.
And so I don't buy, like, I don't know.
It is just so fundamentally different.
And, you know, I hate to sound like an MSNBC liberal, but like, this kind of was an insurrection.
And all of the people on our side are doing the typical right-wing stuff, which is like, well, these are some good boys and they didn't mean no harm and blah, blah, blah, blah.
Really?
You know, I don't know what to say.
Like, clearly they were trying to disrupt Congress.
Like, let's not pretend.
Like, Donald Trump explicitly said, I will march with you arm in arm.
We're going to go to Congress, and we're going to encourage the people on our side, and we're going to shame the people who are against us.
He said that.
And, oh, was he being ironic?
Like all, you know, the Zoomers?
Oh, I said, you know, I've listened to, before I went to grad, I was actually...
Yeah, you're grasping the crux of the issue there.
The plan was in D.C. is that this was all supposed to be some kind of performance art political theater thing, right?
Okay, the plan was is that Alex had worked this out with Trump.
He had paid for – one of Alex's donors had paid for this big performance that Trump was doing.
At the White House, Alex was supposed to lead the crowd from the White House to the Capitol.
But people had already left.
That's just the problem.
You can never count on these things, these volatile situations.
Thousands upon thousands of people couldn't get in, so they had already went down to the Capitol when no one was down there.
And they had this huge – I saw the video yesterday.
They had this huge stage set up where Trump was supposed to speak and Alex Jones was supposed to speak, and they were going to have this big performance art thing outside the Capitol to pressure the wavering Republicans inside to change their vote.
In the hope that somehow Trump could stay on as president.
That was the plan.
When the plan went wrong, when the plan went wrong… But that in itself, in itself, that's kind of… That's borderline insurrection already.
Now, I think I would probably defend that just like on a, I mean, I don't necessarily support it, but I would kind of defend that on a level like you are engaging in a protest.
This should not be legal.
But like, you are trying to disrupt Congress from the beginning.
That is your illicit plan.
And you are concerned that some things got out of hand.
I mean that – keep going.
You see what the issue is here though, right?
So when Trump gave his speech, he said that he was going to walk – they were going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, and he was going to join them there.
But then when people like Jack Posobiec were on Twitter, they were like, we're going to march on Capitol, right?
Yeah.
And you brought all these – here's the thing.
And here's the crux of the issue.
They brought all these people to D.C. They've been telling them this stuff like, I mean this was all about the Q prophecies, right?
The storm was coming.
Trump was going to – and General Flynn were going to take over and execute all Trump's enemies, and 1776 will commence.
I mean they had used all this completely hot rhetoric to fire people up, and these people – people like Alex Jones, of course, is just playing a character, right?
And so all this stuff about 1776 will commence again, and the storm is coming, and Q is being saying all this crap.
This is like an apocalyptic millennial event.
This is a religious element to this.
Like Trump was going to take over, and everything was – this was the culmination of the Q prophecies.
So all these people who show up in D.C. have this mindset that… There's going to be a revolution, right?
They're going to take the Capitol.
When they said march on the Capitol, I mean, all this is going – you've got to remember, all this is going out through social media.
So all the people in D.C. who are watching what's going on, on R. The Donald, who's – not R. The Donald, it's Donald.Win now.
They're seeing all these messages through this mindset that – This apocalyptic millennium mindset that they have.
What Alex Jones and Trump intended was not...
Okay, there's an interesting kind of...
What's the right word?
There were kind of two sides of it as well.
Because General Flynn was also claiming that there's going to be a military takeover.
There's going to be martial law and we're going to have a re-vote.
You know, again, that is contradictory to, you know, the hoi polloi storming the Capitol, no question.
But I think they kind of reinforce each other, because there was also an indication that, like, Trump's behind us, the military's got our back.
Like, we can do this.
We can be part of our back.
Like, I don't think those things are contradictory.
I think they're all kind of, they're streaming into the same place, which is...
We are disrupting Congress and we're in charge now.
Yeah, I mean, people like Atwood, I mean, you can clearly watch it.
I don't know if you've seen the video of Ashley Babbitt marching on the Capitol.
She live streamed.
She was on Facebook.
Yeah, Ashley Babbitt was the woman who was shot, right?
Oh, that, yes.
Yeah, so she was the one who was shot in the Capitol.
So she had been posting all this stuff on Twitter.
And it was on Facebook Live when she was marching to the Capitol.
Ashley Babbitt was one of the people who, like I said, when Alex and Trump were speaking, he went ahead and went to the Capitol, right?
And so all the cutards and fanatics who were waiting for the storm to come were already down there before Trump and Alex Jones and Ali and the rest could get down there.
So all these people have taken off ahead of it.
What they expected to happen – I mean if you read her Twitter feed, she's like, this is the day.
The storm has arrived.
Patriots are descending on the Capitol.
She actually says, I'm part of a mob.
We're going to go down here.
We're going to take Congress.
Those people who came were literally expecting this to happen.
They were expecting some kind of big – I mean not just that.
You heard the phrase from these people, cross the Rubicon.
How many times did they say, cross the Rubicon?
Yeah.
In 1776, we'll commence again.
They were expecting Trump to become Caesar, right?
They were really prepared for this to happen.
And they had absolute complete confidence in Trump that he had their back.
Now, what was supposed to happen, which me and you understood, right?
Because were you paying any attention to this at all?
I wasn't.
I wasn't.
I thought nothing was going to happen.
I explicitly...
That this was going to be another goofy rally like the one weeks ago.
That's because me and you are smart enough to understand that people like Alex Jones and the Grifters, this was a huge grift, right?
This was a huge grift.
It was performance art.
They were supposed to have speeches outside of Congress while Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley and all the rest in Congress were doing their thing.
Making all their political theater.
It was just a waste of time.
It wasn't even worth watching.
Because we understood what was supposed to happen.
And Alex Jones and all the rest were supposed to make a lot of money off of it.
And people like Nick Fuentes were supposed to promote themselves.
That's what it was all about, right?
Can you imagine the shock on Alex Jones and Ali's face when they walked down Pennsylvania Avenue?
And all the Q-tards are literally storming the Capitol.
They took our word seriously, basically.
Did you see this?
Alex Jones has released a video of himself, right?
When Alex gets down to the Capitol, Alex is saying, no, no, no, this is not what we intended.
Come back.
He's trying to like...
Like, gain control of the situation and tell people not to do this.
He's got video of evidence of him saying, don't do this.
This is not what we wanted.
This was not what's supposed to happen, right?
But like I said, like, I mean, all these people have taken what he said at face value.
They don't understand it's all an act.
But anyway, that's what we're getting into.
We're getting into the differences between, and that was, this is the differences between, like, the Capitol siege in Charlottesville.
So I got here.
Number one, the Capitol siege was a MAGA event focused on Trump's claims of election fraud, and it attracted patriots and Trump supporters.
In contrast, Charlottesville had nothing to do with Trump and was about preserving Confederate monuments.
So Trump was the center of this whole thing.
Whereas I think Trump was the background to Charlottesville.
That was kind of a background element.
Whereas this, Trump was the central, if not...
Soul element.
I mean, even back then, even that you look back on it, one of the reasons we did Charlottesville is because we were angry with Trump at the time, and we wanted to do our own thing, right?
We wanted to branch off.
And so, like, but this was totally about him.
So, second thing, far vastly more people participated in the Capitol siege, like orders of magnitude, like not even close to being like similar, like huge numbers.
I mean, even in Charlottesville, we saw, I mean, one of the things we saw in Charlottesville is even when you get like 600, 700, 800 people together, right?
How hard it is to marshal those people and control them.
Imagine trying to control like tens of thousands of Q-tards.
So obviously, yeah, impossible.
You're not going to happen.
So unlike Charlottesville, which was supposed to be a legal free speech rally in a public park.
The Capitol siege was a literal goon march by conspiracy theorists, and that's what happened.
The Kutars got ahead of the train, and they went down there and literally acted out the storm.
That was Ashley Babbitt's last tweet.
The storm was here, and that was the month that she went in there doing that.
They were serious about it.
Let's see.
QA non-prophecies about trust the plan and the storm is coming is what fueled the capital siege.
Not anything related to white identity.
What do you think?
Yes, I think that's clearly true.
Yeah, there was no cultural, ethnic, or anything to this.
No, I mean, you could say that this was implicitly white, like a NASCAR rally is implicitly white.
But even that isn't entirely true.
And kind of conceals more than it reveals.
You could say that about any Patriot event.
It's implicitly...
This was a Patriot event.
It wasn't any kind of ethnic nationalist, racial nationalist.
I mean, people are trying to say there was no racial aspect or anything to this.
It was totally about Q prophecy.
It was like religious.
It was like QAnon.
I think there is, you could say that there's a racial component in the background of it in the sense that these are a lot of middle class and, say, lower middle class or blue collar whites who have kind of, who are like dealing with the anxiety of dispossession and demographic change.
So on.
I mean, clearly that's in the background of it, but that's definitely not in the foreground, and it's not pointing in that direction in the slightest.
So I got here, Alex Jones had vowed for months that 1776 will commence again, and this was the millennarian apocalyptic mindset that his supporters had when they stormed the Capitol.
Now, the night before, literally the night before Alex Jones was in D.C., he was speaking to these people, right?
And Alex Jones was saying stuff like, "Some of you are not going to make it," is what he said.
So he's like, "Alex, you've kind of..." The interview with the Q shaman was just hilarious.
Alex is like, "You're a wizard.
You're a nut.
None of this Q stuff is true." Now, to be fair to Alex, Alex has been opposed to Q for a long time because that's one of his rivals in the conspiracy.
But he got on the Q train very...
He and...
I think I was tweeting out in a jokey fashion, you know, Alex has gone hinged and Alex, you know, that was just being, you know, a little bit cute.
Alex jumped on the Q train early.
No, Alex jumped on the Q train very early with, who was that other guy?
Lee Corsi, is that his name?
Jerome Corsi?
Yeah.
And then Q kind of turned on them because there was a big, you know, rivalry going for the same audience and he attacked Q. But he seemed, again, these guys seem to kind of, much like a broke clock is right twice a day, they seem to kind of like go, they seem to like be correct about things almost for like...
The wrong reasons or purely personal reasons or something.
Two of the biggest differences.
The Capitol siege was a SIVNAT event hosted by Trump and Alex Jones.
Charlottesville was an FNAT event that attracted people who were not Trump supporters.
This was an American patriot and that MAGA event.
This is not like a white nationalist, any kind of pro-white.
This was a Sid Nat patriot event.
That's a huge difference.
Yeah, because people who were sincere, ethnic nationalists just were not interested.
Like me and you were not even paying attention to this, right?
No.
So here's by far one of the biggest differences between a Charlottesville and the Capitol siege.
Charlottesville spiraled out of control because it was disrupted by Antifa.
In contrast, Antifa did not come out on January 6th, and there's no evidence that Antifa disrupted the Megamart.
That is remarkable.
Right.
They didn't even bother.
They didn't even come out.
They didn't bother because they knew that it was just so stupid?
I guess Antifa assumed that this was just the Alex Jones show, right?
Yeah.
The whole point of this is for these guys to grift, and it's not going to change anything in the end.
This is just performance art, and I guess both us and Antifa have the same perspective on it.
It's just a waste of our time to follow this.
But of course, Alex is claiming that the people who got ahead of the bus, Alex's story is that it was actually Antifa who started the fights at the front.
And then duped the cutards into storming the capital, much to his horror as he arrived.
That's Alex's official story, trying to blame it on Antifa.
Right.
No.
But that's not what happened.
It was just the cutards who were ready for the storm had arrived.
Yeah.
This was 1776, and he had told them the night before, some of you aren't going to make it.
And they believed him.
Ali said victory or death.
I mean, how else do you take that?
Yeah, so, and of course, here's the absolute biggest difference between Charlottesville and the Capitol siege.
FNATS and Antifa were the two sides in Charlottesville, and neither played any role in the Capitol siege.
This was just, and here's the biggest difference, it was Patriots and MAGA versus the police.
That was the two sides.
It was them engaged in criminal activity.
Versus the police.
And that was not what happened at all in Charlottesville.
No.
No, this was just – in Charlottesville, it was just Antifa coming and disrupting a white nationalist event.
I mean that's been going on for 30 years, but that's totally different from what happened at the Capitol siege.
And, of course, here's another big difference.
In Charlottesville, FNAPs had a federal court order and a legal right to be at the Unite the Right rally in Lee Park.
In contrast, the people who participated in the Capitol siege had no legal right to be there in the Capitol to disrupt the Electoral College vote.
Needless to say, it's not something you're supposed to do.
It's a serious federal crime to even talk about doing something like that, much less do it.
I mean, there was no pretense.
What we were doing in Charlottesville was completely illegal.
We had the federal court order.
It was a permitted rally.
We were supposed to be at that place at that time.
Yeah.
Whereas this was the exact opposite of this.
This was like some kind of criminal.
I mean, it was criminal.
I mean, they broke the law doing this, clearly.
Well, also, I think this is also a big difference.
And granted, I'm...
Being a little bit speculative here, but I think this is reasoned speculation, is that in terms of the organizers or major figures at Charlottesville, we have been all tossed into this one bin, and we're defendants in this absurd lawfare civil case.
So that is a civil...
That is not a criminal prosecution.
And they, you know, allege conspiracy.
I mean, again, as I've written publicly, I mean, in terms of my co-defendants, like, I didn't know half of them or two-thirds of them.
I didn't know that they exist, and I still can't.
So it's kind of like it's a weird conspiracy.
But anyway, in terms of criminal prosecution, they went after, you could say, supporters or unknown people or kind of they went after them.
So they would prosecute people who were in this chaotic situation and got into fights and used, again, allegedly disproportionate force.
Or James Fields being the best example of someone who has been criminally prosecuted to the hilt.
He's actually serving a lifetime.
400, 500 years is what they think.
Yeah.
And so this is how I see this breaking down.
Obviously, people whose faces are on camera and who are in the Capitol, like...
These guys are going to jail.
And they're going to go to jail for a decade in some ways due to a law that was passed against BLM by Trump, ironically, that was meant to protect statues.
These guys are definitely going to be prosecuted to the hilt.
The major difference I see is that I don't think that all of the people who were surrounding this event need to worry too much about some civil suit.
You know, filed by some, you know, big law firm in New York City.
They might get that.
They almost undoubtedly will.
But that's not the big thing that they need to worry about.
That's the equivalent of having a flat tire in comparison to what they need to worry about.
This is reason speculation.
Federal government is going to pursue the leaders and organizers of this rally and people who benefited from the millions of dollars that were flowing through the whole stop the steal thing.
They are going to pursue this to the hilt.
And the difference is Charlottesville was an embarrassment to say the American.
Brand in the sense that there was chaos.
They're white nationalists.
They're communists.
They're fighting.
We don't look like this is not a good look.
We don't look like a big, great empire riding high.
We look like there's chaos.
True.
They are going to view this as an insurrection.
And you cannot claim that, oh, I didn't go into the Capitol, so I'm going to be fine.
And I mean, I actually was listening on YouTube.
I was listening to some of Nick Fuentes.
I probably listened to Nick Fuentes for longer durations than I ever have.
I listened to about 30 minutes.
I usually just see all these clips.
He was boasting about it.
He's like, we went in there, we knocked the doors down, we went in there, we were shoving people.
He was admitting to federal crimes on a live stream.
A federal criminal conspiracy.
Yes, very similar to Baked Alaska live streaming the event.
Now, the other thing that I listened to, and I don't know if this came a day later or something, because all of these are taken from...
I guess not DLive anymore, taken from wherever and then uploaded to YouTube.
But he was basically actually being a lot more sound.
He was explaining the issues in a rather smart fashion.
I was actually kind of surprised.
But even in this, you know, monologue, the delusion was really...
And I think it's going to be obvious.
So he basically explained what they were doing.
And then he said things like, I didn't go into the Capitol.
So those people who went into the Capitol have something to worry about.
And average Trump supporters have something to worry about because, you know, they're going to crack down on average Trump supporters.
No, they're not.
They are not going to go.
Knock on the door of average Trumpies and throw them into prison.
They are knocking on your door, my friend.
I'm just telling you, and it does not matter that much that you didn't actually enter the Capitol, if that's true.
There's a little ambiguity about that.
They are going to go after the leaders of this event on criminal conspiracy charges to engage in an insurrection.
Because this is a level of embarrassment that makes Charlottesville look like a little pimple on your cheek as compared to your house burning down.
This is not okay.
They do not view conspiracies to disrupt Congress and disrupt the government itself as Fun and games that might have gotten out of hand.
And the other aspect of this is that unlike Charlottesville, there is clearly, we know, there is clearly hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions of dollars, just flowing through this.
I mean, Donald Trump and the GOP raised, what is it, a quarter of a billion for the Stop the Steal nonsense?
And then we know of hundreds of thousands being tossed around with all this.
You're saying that there was $500,000 spent by Alex Jones to build a stage.
There were millions of dollars just flowing around this.
There are digital records of that, regardless of if it's Bitcoin or whatever.
There are digital records of that.
And I would not be surprised if the feds used this as a precedent to...
Basically disclose Bitcoin senders.
Because they do not tolerate this.
You do not question the sovereignty of a nation state and an empire.
You just don't do it.
And they are not going to go after all of these...
Fairy tales about they're going to go after average Trump supporters.
They're not.
They actually want to maintain order.
They're not going to start breaking into the homes of Trump voters and beating them up or whatever.
That is crazy, and they're not going to do that.
What they are going to do is make an example of the people who organized this and who were clearly attempting.
Borderline insurrection at the very least.
Now, I would probably defend the idea of performance art outside the Capitol yelling at congressmen.
Like, defend it legally, even if I don't support it.
But it eventuated into this nonsense.
The rhetoric was hot.
And they are going after all these people.
And they're going to probably wait.
I've heard the other aspect of Fuentes talking.
He's like, well, once the fog of war calms down, things are calmed down, we're going to be okay.
They are not going to calm down.
They're going to calm down in the near term in the sense that all the people whose faces are on camera entering the Capitol are going to get arrested, and then there's going to be a new calm.
But the idea that this will not be a long-term...
Prosecuted event of something like treason or insurrection is ridiculous.
There are going to be congressional hearings on this, very much like Benghazi.
More people died in this event than died in Benghazi.
And how many congressional hearings of Benghazi did we have?
Like half a dozen or whatever?
There are going to be...
This is so serious.
They just don't see how serious this is.
And it is kind of incredible.
I mean, I guess they're kind of in denial, but I think they might be kind of ignorant about what is coming down on them in a new administration.
An example will be made of them, and it's going to be the organizers, and it is not going to be average goofballs who attended this.
Yeah, so Nick's like, we don't have anything to worry about.
Guys, we're fine.
All right, one of his supporters, did you see this?
One of his supporters went in.
He was stupid enough to make himself a flag, right?
The America First flag.
One of his supporters went in with the flag and went all through Congress and was actually down on the floor of the Congress with the America First flag with the horn guy.
They're obviously – I mean there's obviously – like you've already said this.
This is not like Charlottesville.
There's stuff here for a criminal conspiracy case.
Look at this.
Baked Alaska the night before the event was on his live stream talking to people saying that they were going to storm the Capitol.
That's premeditated.
Yeah.
Baked is like – and the guy's like, I shouldn't – the guy's like, I shouldn't talk about this because I'll be arrested.
But let me tell you on the live stream anyway, we're going to storm the Capitol tomorrow.
We're going inside.
Let's go.
We're going – yeah, it was like we're going inside.
So, I mean, there he is right there.
I mean, there they are right there on video admitting to premeditated conspiracy.
Yeah.
And then, of course, Baked is like – is inside screaming Occupy the Capitol.
He's not just in that.
He's saying, I told you to trust the plan.
I told you to trust the plan.
Saying that there was a plan is how it's going to be interpreted.
Plausibly interpreted, I would add.
He's like, I told you to trust the plan.
They're going to grill baked, and they're going to be like, baked, what was the plan?
This is another thing Quintus said.
Yeah, on his, again, like, relatively reasonable, like, discussion of this that I listened to last night, this is another thing he said.
He was like, yeah, you know, I said we're going to invade the Capitol, but I was being ironic at the point.
It's like...
It was totally satire.
It was totally satire.
This is what they always do.
It's all irony.
And so you don't, like...
It annoys the hell out of us because it's like, okay, man, then what do you believe?
I'm curious.
Can you be non-ironic here?
What do you believe?
But the problem is, that's like annoyance for us.
When you're engaged in criminal prosecution, no one buys that.
You cannot just say, oh, that was ironic.
Oh, that was non-ironic.
That was semi-ironic.
It does not work that way.
We know Baked is going to be arrested, and Baked is on video saying that – I mean premeditated beforehand saying that – in the process of the crime saying that it was a plan.
Beforehand saying it was – beforehand claiming like he was getting his guns ready for the Civil War.
Saying the night before, talking to a guy saying that we're going into the Capitol, we shouldn't talk about it on video because we'd be arrested, right?
So Bank is definitely going down for this.
As for Nick, let's just assume Nick escapes federal, let's just assume that Nick is fortunate and escapes federal criminal conspiracy charges over this.
Even though Nick was the one working with Ali, working with Alex Jones, to put all this together and getting paid for it too, right?
Received a quarter of a million Bitcoin days before the event.
As Jason pointed out correctly on Twitter, Kessler, why wouldn't Nick get hit in some kind of signs versus Kessler civil lawsuit?
When they filed the civil lawsuit, they sued all kinds of organizations.
They're not going to sue America first.
They're not going to sue Nick Fuente's defendant.
They're not going to sue...
Stop the steal.
We're not going to sue Ali Akbar.
Of course they are, right?
So let's just assume that some of these guys don't go down for a federal criminal conspiracy charges.
They're going to get sued out of oblivion, and it's also going to be in the D.C. court too, right?
It's going to be in the D.C. federal court, right?
And they're going to get crucified.
I agree with you, but I don't think they even need to worry about civil lawsuits.
That's like my car has a flat tire.
That's the level of a civil lawsuit for these people.
The issue is serious prison time.
Yeah, right, right.
Moving on with the things, and I think we've already discussed this, but I said, in storming the U.S. Capitol, the people who participated in the Capitol siege attacked the seat of government of the United States to dispute the outcome of an election.
Which is very different from hosting a legal free speech rally in a public park in a college town in Virginia.
There's no comparison.
There's no comparison between what Charlottesville was and what this was.
Charlottesville was nothing but a free speech rally in defense of a Confederate monument in a college town.
This is them going into the capital of the United States to occupy the building to disrupt the electoral college vote.
So, I mean, that's federal.
That's civil – federal civil law too, right?
They violated it.
I've already seen some of the guys have been arrested under the statutes that they broke.
All right, so we got – in Charlottesville, Unite, the right protesters cooperated with the police and dispersed in order to do so.
In the Capitol siege, the people who participated attacked the police.
They killed a police officer, and the Capitol police also shot and killed Ashley Babbitt.
Mechanical failure.
It had nothing to do with the rally.
Right.
Right.
Yes, they hit a...
Reportedly, they hit a police officer over the head with a fire extinguisher and he has died.
And another guy, in a shocking video, another police officer was basically having his torso crushed by a throng of people.
A second cop died today.
That's all.
I don't know if it's related to this.
A second Capitol Police officer died.
I'm not sure.
It hasn't come out the cause of death, but you can imagine.
It was suicide.
In Charlottesville, it was just like the police failed to maintain order.
They literally attacked the Capitol Police defending the Capitol.
And overwhelm them in an embarrassing fashion.
Big money was behind the MAGA march.
You're not right, there was no money.
It was just people coming and driving on their own or raising a few bucks off PayPal to share gas.
We've talked about the Bitcoin theory before.
But I mean just looking at the financial aspect of this is going to get people caught up, right, when that comes under scrutiny.
How many ways can they – how many ways can they screw – if they really wanted to screw people like Alex Jones and Nick, I mean do they get them for stuff like tax evasion or – I mean who knows?
Um.
We found that out.
Yeah, okay, so here's a huge difference.
All right, so...
We've already talked about Nick boasting about the event after the event was over, taking credit for it, saying, oh, these people are, you know, your honor, your honor, we busted in that door.
We took over Congress, and there was nothing like that after Charlottesville.
No one, to my knowledge, ever said anything like that, that incriminating.
No.
And then, of course, you've got to remember there were pipe bombs that were placed outside the RNC and DNC headquarters.
And then we brought pipe bombs to Charlottesville.
And there was guys arrested with Molotov cocktails.
Yes, the West Virginia guy.
I believe the guy who put his feet on the desk had a cask of Molotov cocktails.
And of course, we've already said that Wignats had no interest in this event.
But they've blamed, I mean, I've seen people blame Michael Tubbs from the League of the South.
Fox News wrote a story saying that Heimbach was there.
Yeah, I saw that.
That was bizarre.
I mean, I don't know if he was there or not.
I have no idea, but I'm 99% sure he would not have participated in this.
Yeah, the difference, I mean, let's just get right to that.
And this is all I've wrote, but the biggest difference by far...
Okay, none of us were ever arrested on federal criminal conspiracy charges because there was no proof that any of us were doing anything but going to a rally, right?
Yeah.
I mean, I'm sure the FBI looked at that as hard as they could.
The FBI, the DOJ couldn't find anything except, you know, okay, people went to a rally, ANSFA came and disrupted the event, and that was it, right?
There was nothing beyond that.
I mean, there was no criminal...
I mean, I never even got contacted by the Charlottesville police or anything.
Everyone knew what happened.
Antifa disrupted the event, and that was it.
And this, I mean, and even then, you know, the Sons vs.
Kessler lawsuit that you're a part of, and Kessler's a part of, it's gone on for four years, three, four years, because there's no evidence of a conspiracy, right?
None.
They can't find anything.
They just keep dragging us out.
Just look at the – what do you think?
I mean was that completely random that they stormed the Capitol like that?
I don't think so.
No, absolutely not.
No, no.
There were people – I mean like we saw, people like Baked was talking to this guy about doing it the night before and admitted on video that – I admitted on video that, you know, we shouldn't be talking about this.
We'll get arrested for it, but we're going to, like, break in the capital.
Well, the hyper real bit back, I think, because one of, another big difference, and I think this is largely generational, is that, you know, I have built my adult career around, you know, Using, being the alternative media on the internet, you know, doing videos, doing podcasts, all of this kind of stuff.
And not, you know, writing articles for the New York Times or something.
So I appreciate that.
But I think one of the big things that we see with the Zoomers and the Millennials is that they create hyper-real content.
So they're streaming everything.
They're kind of like just streaming and waiting for something to happen.
Whereas, you know, I guess you and I concept of this is that you kind of...
Make something happen and then you put it on the internet as a publishing platform.
They just stream on a platform and just wait for drama to occur and call it content.
And that is going to bite back, you know, because basically their life exists.
Digitally and not physically in this kind of weird way.
And everything that they did is now documented.
And everything that they did beforehand, immediately beforehand, is now fully documented.
And it's out of their control by the very nature of this, you know, live stream, like living your life digitally.
And they also think that it all happened digitally, I think is this other aspect to it where it's like, it's like, yeah, you know, I was saying we should storm the Capitol, but I was being ironic about it.
You know, it's like, I don't know what to say to you.
You know, irony is by its very nature kind of subtle.
I mean, we saw this, we saw this in the GoPro, right?
So many of these kids couldn't separate the Joker fantasy from real life.
Where they were acting it out.
Acting it out in real life.
Like they were part of the movie.
This was our Joker moment.
This was our Joker moment.
This was Joker in real life.
It was awesome, guys.
Right.
And remember Joker himself.
And I thought Joker, well, yeah, he went to a mental asylum and killed his nurse or whatever.
But anyway, Joker also, it's kind of telling me.
And again, I actually thought that was a pretty good film.
I was not...
He was enthused by it in the way others were.
And I thought it was pretty...
He was an insane man flipping into his mind.
Derivative film.
But he lived that dissociated life.
Now, it was obviously pre...
Live streaming.
But, you know, he was dating a girl in his dreams in a way.
And he was a great figure in his dreams.
He saw big crowds gathering and he just kind of like joined in them and then weirdly kind of became their hero in the Dionysian chaos that eventuated by it all.
So I think it was their Joker moment kind of in ways that they don't understand.
And Joker was a serial killer who went to prison.
No, in Bakes' case, if you ask anybody on the internet, try to explain Baked Alaska, right?
This is a guy who's, I mean, did you see that porcelain documentary on him?
I think I did, from a year and a half ago or so.
Yeah, that porcelain documentary about how Bakes, Entire life has been a quest for e-fame and e-cloud and being like an attention whore.
Doing jackass style stunts to draw attention.
The only thing Bake wants in life is to be known.
He's one of those people.
He doesn't have any ideology.
He's not a white supremacist.
No, he has achieved his goal.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, we've seen it countless times, right?
Where Bake will be live streaming.
And he'll run after something screaming content, content, content.
He'll go around.
He went all around the country macing people for content.
And then, of course, for content, he was live-framing over the past two months.
Now, this is what I don't understand about Nick and optics.
For two months before this, Baked had been the Jerry Springer show.
We've talked about it in one of our previous things.
Look at me, I'm the literal wig nap, white trash guy who's messing around with all these women and getting into fights at bars and trailer parks and stuff like that.
So, I mean, it was obvious this guy was bad optics.
Assaulting, like, blue-collar black women who work at convenience stores.
It's like...
Right, right.
The level of bad optics of that is, like, so beyond...
I mean, Nick's own people were telling him, Nick's own people were telling him, you know, you gotta get rid of Baked Alaska because he's bad optics.
And Nick was like, no, no, no, no, no.
We need to...
We need to keep that glass.
Yoba is great optics.
He's just a court jester.
He's just a court jester.
We'll keep this guy around.
Is this being recorded?
Yes, this is being recorded.
Oh, okay.
I was going to say something because I hung out with him a lot and I was going to say something, but never mind.
I can cut it out if you want to say it.
This is being recorded, but I can cut it.
Why don't you speak your piece, and I'll note this time, and I'll cut it out.
Yeah, I hung out with him a lot, and he did some stuff that I wasn't very comfortable with, but I was just kind of smiling along because I wanted to be friends.
But yeah, I can attest to everything he just said.
I was with him when he maced some people, and he definitely instigated a lot of stuff.
Yeah.
You play the hyper-reel and it bites back.
The hyper-reel goes into reality.
This was a pure-baked Alaska moment when he has actually stormed the Capitol and is screaming, occupy the Capitol.
People are making fun.
He's like, I got 10,000 viewers.
The 10,000 viewers are like, have you gone insane?
Are you willing to go to jail for the live streams?
Even Andrew Englund was making fun of him saying that they should let Baked Alaska stream around the yard of Federalists.
They should.
All Baked really wanted with this was he went into the Capitol to chase content, like he always does.
But they're going to frame it.
People who don't understand that are going to twist this.
I mean, did you see he was on CNN as, like, scene of the insurrection?
Yeah.
They're going to nail this guy.
I don't know.
And I don't want Bake to go to prison.
I don't want – because, I mean, I've known the guy – of the guy for years.
I know he was just chasing – all Bake saw was dollar signs and content when he ran into the Capitol.
But he was interested in, and again, I don't know him deeply.
I mean, I've met him, certainly.
But I don't even know if there's any there there, to be honest.
I think with a lot of these people, we might be dealing with a kind of level of sociopathy, just like a lack of personality.
But he was attracted to the alt-right and me in 2017 because we were the badasses.
We were the tough guy and the block.
A way to promote himself.
But it was a way to promote himself and a way to just get to touch that Dionysian energy that was flowing around things.
And if you operate like that and there's no core, then this is...
What it will eventuate into.
You have to have an actual personality.
You can't just, like, change every two days and do this.
It will eventuate in crime.
If you're questing after content, like, what is the biggest content you can get?
Crime, death, destruction, you know?
I mean, get there at some level.
You're videotaping your own, like...
Demise, or you're creating a kind of snuff film or something.
I mean, that's where this goes.
Nick's own people have been warning him about this guy forever.
I mean, we've already covered about the bad optics of him going around, messing around with all these schizophrenic women, saying that he was messing around with an underage girl.
That girl was with him in D.C. and spray-painted a swastika outside the Holiday Inn they were staying at.
On video.
Really, yeah.
But that's not even the thing.
I mean, we've seen it.
One of the episodes of Yoba's season, if you don't remember, was remember the time he cracked and said, you know, I repudiate the alt-right and I've reformed myself.
Yes.
In that case, he broke because he got banned from YouTube.
Yeah.
He got turned on people because there was no principles.
There was no court there.
He mentioned me by name in that video.
When was this?
2018 or 2019?
Yeah.
Richard Spencer got me into this.
Yeah, Richard Spencer out there, and they're going to lead to spree shootings.
I forgot what he was.
And I want to help people de- Yeah, and I want to help people de-radicalize.
That was just one more mask that he was wearing, one more way of putting blame on other people, and it was utterly meaningless.
And then a year and a half later, he's talking to that goofy boomer on the day before the Stop the Steal thing, and he's like, I'm doing this for the white race.
You know?
I mean, it's just, there's no, they're there.
There's no, I don't even believe him when he says he's doing this for the white race.
I think that's another lie.
Like, there's no personality there.
There's no core.
It is just, it is a digital personality seeking out chaos.
And it eventuates in this.
And it might even eventuate in things that are worse than this.
Yeah, one thing me and you and Keith talked about is, I mean, we've seen how viciously these alt-white types can be when they turn on each other.
Imagine, you know, Baked and Nick and Alex and Ali and all the rest of the gang here are going to get, you know, get frog-marched into federal court because of this.
I mean, how viciously are they going to turn on each other, right, to play themselves?
I mean, do you trust, I mean, are you ready to...
Are you that good of friends with Baked Alaska and Ali that you're ready to face federal criminal or civil charges because of this?
Do you trust those guys that much?
Prisoner's Dilemma is going to come out in full effect.
They're absolutely going to attack one another.
Again, I am in some ways deeply thankful that I was the scapegoat of I would not have participated in this nonsense for many reasons that are ideological, actually, and curious.
But beyond that, I was scapegoated.
If you allow me a little bit of self-pity here for a moment, I was scapegoated and basically just kicked out by all these people.
Best thing that ever happened.
Thank you, because if I get subpoenaed or questioned about this, I will absolutely truthfully say, actually, I have no...
Connection to any of this shit at all.
And when they did this January 6th thing, I was actually telling people, oh yeah, here's another performance theater nonsense going on.
I had no earthly idea that this was about to happen.
And I obviously don't support it anyway.
So it was the best thing that could ever happen, is that these vicious freaks...
The silver lining of Charlottesville.
Silver lining of Charlottesville is those people split off and became this.
It culminated in this career.
Who all was there?
Was Pat there?
I don't know.
Well, that's weird.
I didn't see the other little hangers-on.
I have not seen an image of Scott Greer or Pat Casey.
And then...
In any of these things, but I have not been looking for them.
I just have not seen that.
And then there was this weird parlor post by Milo saying that he almost was given like a heads up that this was going to be a disaster.
Yeah, yeah.
Milo got a knock on the door beforehand about it and warned people not to go.
Now, Ethan Ralph, he didn't go because like last month, remember when Ralph got arrested last month over the...
Domestic issue he had in Virginia.
He wasn't allowed to leave the state.
So, wow, Ralph really dodged a bullet.
He did.
He absolutely dodged a bullet.
Yeah.
I don't know if those other guys dodged bullets.
I saw there was one picture that Flint has put up of him when he was claiming that I didn't go into the Capitol.
He put up a photo, and I noticed some of the...
Cast of characters, like the hangers-on of AF, like the Red Elephants guy and Jaden, or I think it was that.
Jaden was there.
Jaden was there.
Yeah.
So I've seen them.
Again, I don't know if...
It's kind of surprising that Scott Greer and Pat Casey wouldn't be there.
But apparently they were.
Yeah, yeah.
They were everything else.
Yeah, it's odd.
If they weren't there, that actually is somewhat suspicious, in fact.
Yeah, but like I was saying, the best thing that ever happened was that divorce, having nothing to do with this.
Yeah.
We actually learned, I mean, unlike these guys, we actually learned something.
How long ago was it?
2017?
Yeah.
We haven't supported Trump in four years.
And boy, did that ever pay off for us.
Unlike these people.
Yeah, look, this wasn't my, this wasn't my sole motivation.
My motivation for voting for Biden was complex.
But one of the motivations was just to, you know, I could see where this thing was going.
I did not predict this shit.
But I could see where this is going.
And I don't want to be attached to any of this.
And I have not seen a single article saying, oh, Richard Spencer was white supremacy.
We actually discussed this.
Yeah.
And I think in our final, I think the final thing we did before the election, we had our final conversation.
Remember I predicted that the Patriots were going to get violent?
Remember that?
And then there was like two months for there.
Yeah, it was two months there when things seemed to be settled down.
I thought there was going to be violence.
I thought there was going to be some kind of patriot movement.
Oh, not only that.
Remember, I actually said that Nick was going to be a part of it.
Because before the election, we were doing our predictions.
We were like, okay, what happens to Greg Johnson after this?
What happens to Nick Fuentes after this?
And I predicted that there was going to be some kind of patriot movement.
And that all the e-celebs and grifters and attention whores were going to be a part of it.
And it was going to get violent.
That was like, yeah, I forgot about that.
I did predict this.
It was like two months ago.
I'll have to go revisit that.
It's all up online.
Yeah, yeah.
We have it recorded.
But yeah, so they learned absolutely.
Congratulations, guys.
They learned absolutely nothing from five years of experience.
They didn't learn anything from Charlottesville because all they did was scapegoating.
And they treated it in bad faith.
And they scapegoated me.
They scapegoated Charlottesville.
They scapegoated Kessler, you could say, and other people.
They scapegoated you guys for Shelbyville and all this kind of stuff.
But there's a difference between bad faith criticism of something and learning from it.
If you're going to learn from it, you have to engage in good faith criticism.
You have to see the good, the bad, what did wrong, where were we?
Where were we too high in our own supply and we didn't see things that outside observers could have?
That's how you learn from something.
You do not learn from something by scapegoating it.
Scapegoating it is a non-rational process where the community puts all of the...
Bad things onto one icon and then executes it.
That is what scapegoating it is.
It has nothing to do with rationality.
It has everything to do with vindictiveness and resentment and hatred and in some ways saving your own skin.
I mean, you don't get scapegoated.
So when you engage in that stuff, you almost by the nature of it, don't ever learn anything.
One of the biggest lessons of the last five years is that Trump doesn't defend his supporters.
That was evident during the campaign.
It was evident right after the election when that Trump supporter was abducted in Chicago and was tortured on livestream, and Trump didn't even mention it.
Trump hasn't mentioned Ashley Babbitt, who got shot and killed, who literally died for him, right?
Trump actually condemned Babbitt, who went in there and died for him.
Yeah.
And then threw all the people who did it under the bus.
And then even before – remember, even before the election, he went on Hannity and condemned and disavowed the Proud Boys.
And he was running on the Platinum Plan, which was prosecuting the KKK as domestic terrorists or something like that.
And these guys learned nothing from it and stuck their neck out for Trump, and some get cut right off.
Yeah.
Yeah, when he literally had like 20 days left as president.
Talk about stupid.
It was worth it for the clicks, though, man.
But they still don't learn anything.
I saw a screenshot of one of these Parler posts by Lin Wood that was deleted by Parler, where he was like, there are going to be nationwide blackouts, but don't worry, Trump's still in command, and he's going to...
This is the moment where he rises up and takes charge and saves us all.
Lin Wood is saying that Ashley Babbitt was an Antifa plant and all her own timeline is her retweeting Lin Wood.
She was listening to this guy and he's on record saying that she was Antifa and Antifa plant is denouncing her.
What?
It doesn't even...
It doesn't make sense, but why even say that?
I'm just so glad right now I had nothing to do with this, and we had this huge breakup back a few years ago.
Wow, that ever, being opposed to Trump, that ever pay off for us in the long run.
We don't have to deal with all this crap.
Oftentimes, being truthful and rational is the best strategy.
You have to, you know, and this is what...
You have to analyze something in order to be strategic.
You can't just have a plan.
Because I could have a plan to become king of the universe and a three-step process, this, this, this, that.
If I have not properly analyzed the dynamic of the situation, that plan is a fairy tale.
And these people can't analyze the situation.
They can't understand what's really going on and what the dynamics are and what the facts are.
And thus, these plans are either fairy tales or they're, you know, goofy, insane sieges of a Capitol building that are going to get them all killed and thrown in prison.
In the, you know, in the end, you know, in the very end, Daily Stormer had become QA9.
I mean, it's indistinguishable from any of the QAnons.
All of these people are shades of Q. They merged with that stuff.
They merged with that stuff.
The thing that was successful post, say, 2017 was being a shade of Q because everyone else who...
Basically was critical in some way are all accused of being like, oh, bitter, black-pilled, sarcastic jerks or whatever.
That's what we all, like, I see that criticism.
Or bad optics.
That's what I see that criticism.
The things that were successful, that is, that were gaining more money, that were basically participating in really big rallies.
All of those were shades of QAnon.
And obviously you can make distinctions between Nick Fuentes and QAnon.
But the whole point is that it's all flowing in that direction.
It is basically Trump is our man.
We must support him.
As a president and maybe as a myth is what I think BAP and Fuentes are saying now.
And he is on our side.
This is good.
We need to kind of blend in to some massive movement.
And again, if you want a radical mass movement, there is nothing...
Better than QAnon.
I mean, in 2016, 50%, according to one poll, and take one poll with a grain of salt, 50% of Republicans believed in some degree of the Pizzagate conspiracy.
Now, there was major polling in November that 50% of Republican voters are fellow travelers of QAnon.
They say, oh, I don't believe in Q, and he goes too far, but I think that the Democrats are satanic.
Blood-sucking pedophiles.
They're fellow travelers.
So if you want to be successful and you want to jump into that river of money that is flowing in there, you have to be a shade of Q. And that's what they all were.
Have you seen the polls on this?
Storming the Capitol has the support of 8% of the public.
88% of the public opposes it.
So this is far less popular than Charlottesville was.
I mean, significantly.
Yeah.
These guys are willing to do anything to clown themselves for Trump, and boy, did they ever win the prize.
Stupid people win stupid prizes, don't they?
Yeah, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Okay, ending predictions.
Do you think that Trump is going to be impeached or removed via the 25th Amendment?
No, I think it's too close to Biden being president.
In order to convict him in the Senate, you would do what needs 16 Republicans?
Is there enough to willing to do that?
I don't think so.
What about you?
I think there are.
I'll come out strongly.
You'll get impeached by the House, not convicted by the Senate.
I think there is.
I think this is mostly symbolic, which is one of the reasons why it might happen.
And so I think there is a very high likelihood that there's going to be impeachment declarations in the House this week.
Indeed, they've talked about it explicitly, and I think they're going to do it.
If they're able to do this this quickly, which again, you know, it's kind of amazing because these things take months and years, you know, things move so slowly in the court system and, you know, government.
But if they are able to swing a...
Really fast impeachment thing.
I think you could get 16 Republicans to do it and get it two-thirds.
I could very well see this.
I'm going to kind of predict it.
Everything is, you know, you're making predictions on the margin.
You know, it's like are the, you know, Buccaneers going to beat the Redskins or whatever.
You know, you don't quite know.
You have to judge it.
But I think the likelihood is very high.
And I think we're going to definitely see impeachment in the House this week.
And because it's so symbolic is one of the reasons why I think they're going to do it.
Because they know he's not out.
I think, look, I speculated this on Twitter.
Too controversial with the base.
Too controversial with the base, in my opinion.
Maybe, but this is the time.
Strike where they aren't hot.
Because if you have numbers like 90% Yeah, but this also polls for impeachment, and it's like, I think something like well over half of Republicans are opposed to it.
So they're just extremely bold to go through with it.
And I think they'll just like, eh, let them go to Camp David or something for two weeks.
This is the other thing, and I speculated this a bit on Twitter.
I am wondering about, like, President Trump.
Trump's sovereignty at the moment.
And, you know, we heard reports that Mike Pence called the National Guard.
We also heard a report that the Defense Department did not engage in the National Guard.
I'd love to go back.
The Defense Department balked at some point, and Pence called the National Guard.
Trump has been banned from Twitter.
And everyone assumes that this is like millennials who work in Silicon Valley demanding that Jack do something.
Might be true.
That's probably a part of it.
But I think there might be something else going on here.
I am wondering about the degree to which Trump is in charge.
I mean, Nancy Pelosi has openly said, we need to get him, we need to change the passwords, basically.
We need to...
Get him away from nuclear codes.
Just to suggest that is so humiliating.
That is maybe the most humiliating thing you can say to a president.
We don't trust you with anything.
I'm wondering if he's in charge of anything.
I know the Republicans are extremely happy about the Tech censorship issue going absolutely, completely bonkers and overboard in reactions to this because it gives them something else to talk about that's popular with their base.
They can endlessly talk about Section 230.
They're like, oh, look, Jack is a tyrant who's deleted tens of thousands of Trump supporters.
Wow, do we ever want to talk about this instead of what just happened at the Capitol?
Yeah.
That was good news for them.
What do you think is coming?
Did you expect to be on Gab in 2021?
I didn't exactly anticipate that.
No, I thought Gab was going to go away.
I think I do have a Gab account.
I have not tweeted on Gab or posted on Gab in years.
We might be too bearish on Gab.
I don't know.
Maybe.
I'm bearish on Gab because...
Of the leadership, Andrew Torba, who's a buffoon and who wants to make Gab a movement.
So he's like, you know, this is about Gab.
It's where patriots go.
So he's just creating an echo chamber.
I want neutral platforms.
Oh, that reminds me.
So I'm not bullish on Gab.
That's one of the reasons I left Gab in the first place back in late 2018 is because it was full of all the...
It was us, and it was all the QAnon boomers.
It was nothing but all these Patriot QAnon boomers posting nonsense.
Well, here's my prediction.
I think I survive on Twitter.
We are not in the direct line of fire at this point, and that is a good thing.
You know, and yeah, I can imagine surviving on Twitter because I am not associating myself with this insanity.
And, you know, you could say it's strategic, but again, the truth is very often the best strategy.
I'm worried that, yeah, my only concern about this is that I know that Matt and a bunch of other people have been using the DLive platform.
It's not just Nick over there, but a lot of people have been using that.
And I'm afraid that Nick and Baked and all that might have ruined July for everyone.
Yeah.
That might be one casualty.
That's the biggest casualty of this I see for our sphere.
They'll say, oh, you know, we don't just need to get rid of Nick Fuentes and Baked.
We need to get rid of anyone who...
The media, the SPLC, says is hateful extremist.
We don't even really talk about it.
Well, Nick said that this was part of the plan, in fact, to get banned from DLive and that they're building their own streaming platform.
Yeah.
He's been promising that.
Didn't Milo build his website?
I was under the impression that after he got banned from YouTube, that Milo had built Nick's website and he was going to be able to stream from his own website.
Two years ago.
A year or two ago.
I mean, I don't think he ever did.
No.
We'll see where this goes.
I mean, again, I don't want to just be on some weird streaming thing.
I want my voice to be heard in mainstream platforms.
So we'll see what happens with that.
I could see a Milo Nick Fuentes breakup pretty soon.
Yeah, Alex Jones is strongly out there saying, you know, this was actually, here's a video of me telling people not to go.
You can already see Alex Jones preparing his defense for this.
He knows that they're going to use any excuse to shut down InfoWars, like pull the URL or something like that.
But, I mean, Alex Jones and Nick are close enough to...
You know their enemies are going to use this to try to de-platform both of them.
