RadixJournal - Richard Spencer - The Myth of Ferguson

Aug. 25, 2014 - RadixJournal - Richard Spencer

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The Myth of Ferguson

James Edwards joins Richard to discuss the crisis in Ferguson, Missouri, in particular the myth of racial oppression the underlines the response to the event by African-Americans and White Liberals. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit radixjournal.substack.com/subscribe

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	Well, James, thanks for being back in the program.
	It's been a few years since you've been here.
	Well, thankfully, Richard, it hasn't been that long since we've spoken to one another.
	You're a regular guest on my show, and the program is always the better for it, but it is great to be back with you on your podcast today.
	I visit Radix's journal on a daily basis, at least.
	Great.
	That is good to hear.
	The myth of Trayvon Martin seems to be fading in public memory, and so we now have a new racial myth for people to be obsessed with, and that is the myth of the gentle giant of Ferguson, a troubled young man named Mr. Brown, who was shot.
	Just around two weeks ago.
	And this has sparked riots.
	It's sparked mass protests.
	It's sparked a militarization of the police like we haven't really seen outside of international gatherings, you know, G8 summits and things like that.
	And it has sparked a billion pixels of outraged commentary.
	So let me just get your first...
	I think it's going to be bigger than Trayvon Martin.
	I think this Ferguson, hashtag Ferguson, is here to stay.
	I think it's going to be huge.
	So let me just, before we...
	Start diving into it.
	Why don't you just tell us your impressions of it and some of your initial thoughts on this matter?
	Well, the scope of this story, and it's a media-manufactured story.
	Let's make no mistake about that.
	It shouldn't have even made much more than a blip on the local news.
	I mean, obviously what we have here, apparently, we'll let the facts come out and the evidence be presented, but apparently what we have here is...
	A story of a police officer using self-defense as he saw fit, and this should have not been a story.
	Of course, the media is sinking its teeth into this and making it into, as you mentioned, there are so many common denominators between the historian Ferguson and Trayvon Martin, and I completely agree with your assessment that the story here is bigger, and it is worse than the Trayvon Martin thing.
	We'll see how it plays out.
	I certainly wouldn't want to be in the position of this officer.
	I think what happened in the verdict of George Zimmerman was almost miraculous that justice was served in that case.
	In a way, both of these men would have probably been better off dead than having to survive what the media is going to inflict upon them.
	As they live the rest of their lives, and hopefully this officer won't be indicted.
	Hopefully the state won't cave to that pressure, but they certainly caved in the case of Zimmerman.
	But you asked my initial take on it again.
	There's just so many different facets and aspects of this.
	You don't really know where to start when delivering a commentary on the matter.
	As I said to you before we started taping, the excellent, and I do mean excellent, pieces by Michael McGregor on your website and by Gregory Hood on Amran.
	Take everything that I felt in an initial emotional response and put it into a very articulate word form.
	I think if people would be directed to those articles and could read what those two gentlemen wrote, it would put my take on the matter probably better than I could speak it here on the radio.
	So I would go to those two pieces.
	But this is bad news.
	I mean, to say the least, the media had this narrative written in advance, and they always have their narrative written.
	And then when they find an opportunity where they can engage in a little play, they're Yeah, I mean, and it does seem to be there is this narrative, Deeper narrative that's at the base of the media's brains.
	And then they'll find something and they'll just latch onto it and this is it.
	I remember, just because this has a lot of personal significance to me because I was there at the time, but the Duke Lacrosse scandal was the ultimate of that.
	The idea of a dozen preppy athletes, jocks at Duke.
	Gang-raping a black woman.
	That was just too good to be true.
	That was the horrible gothic fantasy of professors and media types and things like this.
	And prosecutors, I should also imagine.
	Prosecutors who were in an election year.
	A prosecutor named Michael Nifong, who's kind of become proverbial for misconduct.
	Anyway, they had this fantasy in their mind, and they see something that seems to fit it, and to fit the script, and they just jump on it.
	And it seems like also, invariably, the victims they choose seem to really not...
	They seem to almost invariably choose the worst possible poster voice.
	I'll let you talk.
	I just want to mention, there's a Tawana Browley from, I think, 1980.
	That was a legendary hoax.
	This woman, the Duke Lacrosse stripper, who was not raped but was accused, she turns into someone.
	Again, it's not even that she hates white people or something.
	She's a mentally disturbed person.
	And, you know, the worst possible poster boy or poster girl for something like this.
	And, you know, again, Trayvon Martin, we don't have to go into that.
	Now with Brown, you know, again, the notion that he's just some gentle giant who was executed by a racist cop, this seems crazy.
	There is a lot of evidence.
	And, of course, I will keep an open mind.
	I mean, certainly if the police officer is guilty, that's, you know, without question.
	Matter of facts.
	But it seems clear that Brown beat him severely before the shooting.
	There's this meme that he was holding up his hands that everyone's reproducing.
	Well, there's other testimony that he was charging the police officer before he was shot.
	There is video evidence of him robbing a convenience store some 15 minutes before the incident.
	Again, none of those things...
	Shoplifting should not incur the death penalty.
	No one's saying that.
	But again, this complicates the story, to say the least.
	It leads you to, if you put yourself in the shoes of the police officer...
	You're dealing with someone who's quite dangerous, someone who's physically assaulted you, someone who's charging you.
	I think any reasonable person could say that this might be a situation where you have to use deadly force.
	But anyway, why do they always choose these poster boy victims that are so terrible?
	I'll tell you what I think it is, is that they are so starved, so starved to find an example of...
	Just irrational, white-on-black hatred and violence.
	And they can't find anything from which to draw except what's out there.
	And for the last couple of years, all we've seen is this George Zimmerman, not even a white guy, cast to play the role of the white racist.
	And then, of course, the Trayvon Martin thing.
	I mean, we've talked about that extensively.
	Everybody knows what happened there.
	And then justice was served in the end, but barely.
	And then this guy.
	But, you know, in the history of...
	Media-manufactured and premeditated stunts, they've really let down their guard.
	You go back to the 50s with the Rosa Parks stunt, I mean, that was something that was planned well in advance, but at least it was planned well.
	I mean, they vetted Parks and they had other candidates that thought to play her role, but, you know, they had the meek, soft-spoken seamstress.
	I mean, that fits the script, but now they're investing and they're going all in with people like Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown, and Michael Brown...
	His bona fides as a genuine thug are even more impressive than Martin's were.
	I mean, you see what he did, manhandling that store clerk in the gas station.
	He's flashing, you know, gang signs.
	I mean, just look at him, folks.
	Just look at him.
	I mean, you know, stereotypes exist for a reason, and, you know, this guy doesn't look like the blacks that we see in insurance commercials and Saving the Day and 24 and things like that.
	And then all this rioting.
	I mean, for God's sake, what are they rioting about?
	I mean, all of the evidence that has been presented so far, and I'm like you, Richard, and I've said this on my show last week, we'll talk more extensively about Ferguson this coming Saturday, and I'm sure for weeks to come.
	But all the evidence that it's tripled out so far seems to back up the narrative.
	I mean, this white cob, the 28-year-old cob, seems to be a poster boy for – You know, middle America.
	He had a sterling record.
	The autopsy showed that this guy was shot not while running away with his hands up, but while charging towards him.
	We know he was on drugs.
	There was marijuana found in his system, according to the autopsy.
	And just everything that's trickled out has seemed to back up the story being presented by the Ferguson police.
	But it would appear...
	At least the ones that are being showcased on television every night, and there's wall-to-wall coverage by all the networks, the low IQ, poor impulse control, a lot of them, they are just looking for any excuse to behave as they want to behave, I guess.
	And it's just, I don't know, I would not want to live in Ferguson.
	But it's going to be interesting to see how this plays out.
	And you've got Obama, you've of course got the entire media, Eric Holder, all fanning the flames, turning this into a racial tinderbox, when it should not have been a story at all.
	But again, they're just so starved to advance this narrative and to instill more white guilt and to make it, I guess, self-defense, you know, criminalized self-defense.
	I don't know what the end game is here, but they backed the wrong horse.
	I just hope the state is responsible enough to, you know...
	I hope this guy receives no indictment.
	I hope he doesn't have to stand trial for some sort of a crime.
	Yeah, well, just going back to the Zimmerman case, which is such a clear analog, I found that that prosecutor, I'm forgetting her name at the moment, but she just seemed like some...
	Awful woman.
	I remember this press conference where she was talking about how she spoke with, oh, I just got off the phone with Trayvon Martin's parents.
	I was just watching this and I was like, do you take your job seriously?
	Like, this is not about boosting the self-esteem of Trey von Harden's parents or something.
	This is serious shit, you know?
	You don't, I don't know, I just I'm completely self-ideologically motivated.
	I'm like you.
	I mean, I'm fair enough and reasonable enough to say if the evidence proves that this cop did in fact shoot this guy for no reason other than a racist rave, then justice should be served to him as well.
	But I'm not seeing that, Richard, and frankly I've never seen it.
	Not in my lifetime.
	No, I've never seen anything like that.
	What do you think is...
	I mean, obviously, we can't put ourselves in the minds of people, the blacks who are rioting, or even the kind of mass protest.
	But what do you think they're thinking, in a way?
	I'm kind of curious about this.
	I'm not sure if they're capable of thought, and I'm not trying to be cute here, but I'm not sure if they're capable of thought, because this goes back to the 60s.
	I mean, you're talking about people...
	Generations beyond that, but what happened in the 60s when people, when the officers of that day and age attempted to enforce the law, they would engage in the exact same criminal behavior.
	They would burn down their own neighborhoods.
	They would loot their own stores.
	I don't see the logic, and when something happens that you don't like, you make it worse by just tearing up your own area and then filming it and laughing.
	You know, you see all these YouTube videos of...
	They're filming their own lawlessness and laughing about it.
	I really couldn't tell you what the thought process is.
	Now, certainly, they've been conditioned to believe since day one by the media, by the government, that they have been oppressed, and it's a 150-year delayed reaction to slavery, I guess, but they've been conditioned to believe that they've been put down, and they're just waiting for an opportunity to act out.
	I mean, that's the...
	The most common sense conclusion that I can draw is it's all kind of hatred towards white people that they've been conditioned to feel.
	And then you, again, just pour in low IQ and poor impulse and you've got a powder keg there.
	But why burn down your own neighborhood?
	Why rob your own story?
	It just doesn't begin to make sense.
	I don't know how you're getting back at the man by doing that.
	No, I mean, and it must be a very important part of their identity in the sense that...
	Because remember, this wasn't...
	The story...
	Certainly the media has taken the story and run with it.
	It's dominating Twitter.
	It's dominating all these other websites.
	Liberals and leftists of all kinds all have their little takes on it that are all variations on a single theme.
	That being said, there actually was a kind of organic aspect of it.
	Before CNN was talking about this, it really was on black Twitter.
	And it's not like the media created this and then all these people went rioting.
	It really was the opposite.
	So it has to play a really important part in the sense of identity of these people.
	And this kind of narrative of bad white people that want to kill you, that must be deeply important to them.
	It must be a very important part of their psyche.
	And that is very sad.
	I have to say.
	I mean, even I agree that there's not a lot of critical thinking going on.
	But a kind of, you know, a kind of impulsive or almost animalistic thinking.
	That kind of thinking you do before you start really thinking.
	That narrative and that sense of identity must be very strong.
	And again, that's just very sad.
	And I think, you know, I'm just saying this.
	I'm not saying this as someone who is a racial activist or whatever.
	I'm saying this as someone, I mean, for the black race, for African Americans or for Africans in general, you know, you're never going to accomplish anything when you're dominated by that kind of hatred and that kind of negative identity.
	It's really, it leads nowhere to, it leads nowhere except this, you know, blowing up a convenience store or whatever.
	But go ahead.
	And I know that there has to be some sensible blacks in that community that are engaged in this type of behavior, and they see it as shamefully as we do, but certainly those who have access to a television microphone, you know, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, who were sure to go down there early and cash in on this.
	They are planning the flames of discontent.
	But, you know, I guess it all circles back in the grand scheme of things to a very universal truth.
	And I know Jared Taylor put it succinctly that the history of race relations can be summed up in one word, and that's conflict.
	Whenever you have different cultures and having the same living space, you're going to have conflict.
	And what's bad about it in America, what's so bad about it is...
	Racial relations have deteriorated since the 60s.
	They haven't gotten better since integration.
	They've gotten worse, and they've gotten infinitely more violent.
	You know, with black-on-white crime, and of course black-on-black crime is even more proficient than that.
	Nothing's getting better.
	It's all getting worse, and the media doesn't make it better, obviously, by engaging in the narrative that...
	Do you know they're going to?
	And that's another question, Richard, if I could ask you a question, because what is the media's objective in presenting the story as they have, ultimately?
	I mean, that's something that should be asked.
	It's a good question, and it's almost impossible to answer definitively and succinctly, but it's worth talking a little bit about.
	I don't think the people in the mainstream outlets, and these include a lot of websites, I don't think these are bad people who are trying to create riots or anything like that.
	I think that in a kind of Post-modern world where they don't have...
	There's really kind of nothing in the way of spirituality, where there's nothing in the way of grand ideals outside of some, you know...
	The notion of tolerance and democracy or something like that.
	I think this narrative, this racial narrative, is in a way all they have.
	And I think, again, much like, as I was saying with blacks, this must be an important part of their sense of identity.
	I think it's an important part of the sense of identity of liberal whites as well.
	No, that's actually, I think, a very good answer.
	I mean, because there's no doubt about it that political correctness is, Certainly the state religion in America.
	I mean, that's been talked about for a long time.
	It's not Christianity anymore.
	It's political correctness.
	And perhaps this is their way of worshipping that God, by going up and prostrating themselves in front of everyone to show that they are a true believer and that they're one of the good guys.
	And that's another thing that is a pathological weakness of whites more than any other race, certainly, is that, you know, there are certain fundamental things in life that we all need to survive, food and clothing and water and shelter.
	But whites need social acceptance.
	And I guess these people believe that this is how they will earn that and continue to be invited to the white tea parties and, well, the white cocktail parties, not tea parties in terms of political movement.
	but, uh, Right, cocktail parties.
	I don't know where tea parties came from, but they like cocktail parties.
	And they know that they'll keep their job by saying this, but can they actually look at this situation?
	I was talking with my father about this last night.
	I was at my parents' house last night for a visit, and we were watching some of the Fox News coverage of it.
	And Megyn Kelly has actually done a better-than-average job for a mainstream anchor.
	Pleasantly surprised with the way she's handled this, what little I've seen of her coverage.
	But she was interviewing some of these people, and of course we've watched some of the other network coverage as well.
	And I asked myself, and asked my father, do they really believe this?
	How can they look at this situation?
	How can they look at this story, look at this guy, and not only try to lead us to believe their vision, but could they actually see it that way themselves?
	Could they really look at this story and in the heart of hearts believe what they're saying?
	If they are, that goes to prove that liberalism is truly a mental illness.
	These people have to be mentally ill if they believe what they're saying.
	I wouldn't say mental illness.
	I would say religion.
	This idea that you're part of something bigger than yourself, that can change how you view facts.
	And that holds for everyone throughout world history.
	And it's their chance.
	They're just a liberal blogger.
	They live in...
	Brooklyn, and they have a nice education, and they're in a way coming from white privilege, so to speak.
	And they don't feel like their life has a great deal of meaning.
	It's a lot of hanging out in coffee shops and sending Twitter messages to their friends and things like this.
	And this is a chance for them to be a part of something that has religious significance.
	I think that's real, and I think it's wrong for us to discount.
	That power that this has.
	I would say another angle to it is a kind of, in this ironic way, it's a fear of black violence.
	And I remember I just saw this clip on YouTube, but there's a MSNBC commentator.
	Oh, gosh, his name is escaping me at the moment.
	He's fairly young, and he actually looks a lot like Rachel Maddow in a kind of mannish form.
	Less mannish, perhaps.
	You probably know who I'm talking about.
	I'm forgetting his name.
	Chris Hayes.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, and he was there, and he was doing a report from Ferguson, and he was dropping all of the typical buzzwords.
	And at one point, there are these protesters or...
	Yeah, exactly.
	He was kind of cowering for a little bit, and then they stopped, and then he started asking them questions, and he was like, what precipitated the police's breakup?
	He was treating them very seriously.
	But I think in this odd way, a lot of liberals, in a way, fear black violence, and they want to show them that they're okay.
	They want to, in a way, surrender to them and say, look...
	Hey, hey, trust me.
	Like, I'm with you guys.
	You know, you guys are awesome.
	White, racist, bad.
	You know, don't kill me.
	Well, I mean, I guarantee you.
	I mean, this goes to the, you know, how much they really believe it.
	Because, I mean, I wonder if he would walk down the streets of Ferguson, walk down a dark alley in Ferguson with all this mayhem going on.
	It's a state of emergency there.
	It's been officially declared martial law and so on and so forth.
	Would he walk down there without, you know, his handlers and his camera crew?
	No, he's not an idiot.
	No, he's not an idiot.
	But again, it's that kind of way.
	There's a certain survival strategy to it all.
	One survival strategy is to present yourself as utterly weak.
	And it can be quite successful.
	Say, I'm not a threat, I'm on your side.
	Yeah, but do they believe that it's going to be a long-term solution?
	That this is going to be something that's going to serve America?
	Because, you know, how many trillions of dollars have been redistributed in wealth to the blacks over the course of, you know, the last five or six decades?
	You know, how many government programs, affirmative action, set of sides, how much is it going to take to placate them?
	You know, Right, and I totally agree with you.
	I actually think that in a way, even showing force won't ultimately change anything.
	And I think also blacks...
	You know, you could say that 60 years ago, or so on and so forth, that blacks had a very strong sense of social inferiority.
	And if you stood up to them, if you showed force, I think they might...
	You know, kind of say, okay, we're going to back down.
	But I don't think they will now, because I think, you know, we're talking about people out there protesting.
	These people, they're born in the 80s or 90s or even 2000.
	I mean, these are young people who have existed in a world in which everyone denounces white racism and the evil, dark history of America and blah, blah, blah.
	And so I think they feel like they have authority.
	They don't feel like social inferiors.
	They feel like they're social victims.
	They're the great victims.
	They can do this.
	They can get away with it.
	I don't even think force will stop it.
	Because I think, again, they feel that they are sovereign and that they have authority and they can do this.
	Well, genetic predisposition in nature is going to reign and nothing's going to change that.
	Nothing's going to change.
	You know, behavioral traits, just like intelligence, I mean, all of this is heritable to a great degree.
	I mean, certainly you can change your life and you can choose not to believe in what your parents believed in and you can make certain choices out of free will, but for the most part, a lot of that is just you're born with it and that's what you're going to be.
	And, you know, no, force isn't going to change them.
	I mean, if you rolled in there and you put down the insurrection, it's not going to change the way they think.
	It's not going to change the way they feel, but it would clean up the streets.
	How long do you see this playing out?
	Are they going to be coming out for God knows how long every night and closing downtown?
	Yes.
	I think this is huge.
	Perhaps I'm overestimating it.
	Perhaps I'll be wrong.
	I don't think so.
	I have a sense that this is going to be big.
	I don't think this is going to go away for a year at the very least.
	I think this is going to be huge.
	You know, we've already seen a complimentary protest around the country in Times Square and elsewhere.
	I mean, at some point, the rioting will subside.
	And I think even a lot of this might even have to do with the weather, to be frank.
	I mean, it seems like, you know, when it's hot outside, people are just...
	But I think this is going to go on.
	I don't think this is going to end.
	I think there's going to be...
	We've only seen the first act of this play.
	And there's going to be big things that are going to happen in the next month.
	And I sadly think...
	I think in some ways the justice, the so-called departments of the state and the federal government, they are so beholden.
	To mob rule or Twitter rule that they are going to prosecute.
	The officer.
	We have to do something.
	We have to have this trial.
	We have to draw this out even further.
	I think it's going to be Trayvon Martin, a multiple of that.
	I think this is not going to end.
	I do think that this round of rioting will surely decline at some point.
	But there's going to be something else.
	This is here to stay.
	Yeah, I believe you're right, Richard.
	I mean, you never want to make a bold prediction like Dick Morris predicting the Romney landslide win the night before the election.
	But I think there are certain elements in play here that lead me to believe that there is all the potential there and then some to make this the single biggest story that I've ever covered in my 10 years on the radio.
	Yeah.
	All of the rancor of the Trayvon Martin situation, which wasn't that long ago.
	I mean, that was only a couple of years ago, year before last, whenever it was very recent.
	You're going to take the snowball effect on Trayvon Martin and add to that this.
	And once, you know, you've already got the, obviously, Eric Holder's in the tank for the real victim here is the guy that the police officer had his eye pocket smashed in before he was able to protect himself.
	But you've got Eric Holder in the tank, obviously, for the black guy.
	No surprise there.
	But you've also got the governor of Missouri in the tank and against the law enforcement officials there and against this police officer.
	So I think, you know, they didn't want to press charges against Zimmerman, but they were pressured into it.
	There's certainly going to be even more pressure here to levy and indictment charges against this fellow.
	And that's when you get an extended shelf life of this thing, because what charges are filed and what there is the inevitable trial, I feel as though it's inevitable.
	I hope I'm wrong.
	But if that happens, I mean, then you've got at least it'll be on, you know, headline news, you know, they covered that 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
	It'll be another year.
	It'll be at least a year for the trial to get through and all that if it all goes down.
	So if that happens, yes, it will continue to simmer, it will continue to boil, and it will continue to get worse.
	I mean, this is diversity manifested.
	I mean, this is a prime example of what happens when you've got too much diversity.
	And it will continue to happen as they get more emboldened, as they get more entitled.
	And it's coming soon, I think, you know, again, to reference those next little pieces that write it from the American Renaissance, it's coming soon to a city near you, if there's sufficient diversity in your area.
	Very scary.
	Yeah, I know.
	All of these people see it as their job to enforce political correctness, be it the Attorney General, be it the Governor of Missouri, be it the media.
	And interpretation of the laws are subject to political correctness as well, I guess.
	Oh, without question.
	And perhaps that's always been the case, to be honest.
	But, yeah, I think I would add in here this other meme that's been very important with this case, and this didn't raise its head with the Zimmerman or Trayvon Martin case, and that is the militarization of the police.
	I just want to mention real quickly just a little bit of personal history.
	I actually lived in Toronto, Canada for a little while.
	And while I was there, there was a G8 or G12 meeting.
	I can't remember which one it is.
	But essentially, every head of state of...
	The largest economies in the world will come and meet, and I'm sure they're behind closed doors.
	They're talking about truly awful things.
	But anyway, they were all there, you know, America, Canada, China, Russia, Germany, so on and so forth.
	Japan.
	And essentially, when you have that many heads of state in one area, it effectively becomes a police state.
	And I have a vivid memory of this weekend.
	It was a number of years ago.
	I actually wrote an article on it, which I'll link to.
	I called it Anarcho-Tyranny in Ontario.
	Anarcho-Tyranny was Sam Francis' favorite concept about how oftentimes the police will not do what they should be doing, and then they will actually...
	They will not keep order, which is what they should do.
	They will actually use force in order to create chaos and kind of anarcho-tyranny.
	And I think this is the ultimate example of that.
	It really was, I would say, surreal to be there.
	And I was with my wife and we were just walking around downtown Toronto and it was almost like being in a zombie apocalypse.
	Or World War, or...
	Economic collapse or whatever.
	It was like that.
	Basically, the entire city was empty.
	Imagine walking in New York City or wherever, and the streets are empty.
	Everyone is either left or they are locked themselves in their apartment.
	Empty outside of rioters and protesters.
	A lot of these people are post-modern protesters doing performance art and all this kind of stuff.
	And then you have these...
	Police that really are the military.
	I mean, they have...
	They are armored.
	They have major guns.
	I mean, I totally understand why people are concerned about this issue, and they fear it.
	I mean, you don't want to mess with these people.
	They could shoot you.
	So you have that.
	You have them guarding buildings.
	Then you have some rioters smashing up like a Starbucks or something like that.
	You have people lighting it.
	They lit a car aflame.
	You have the typical kind of mob mentality where someone will say something and a rumor will spread and everyone will run one way.
	I mean, it was absolutely crazy.
	It was probably dangerous for me to be out there, but it was, wow.
	So I think, I understand a great deal of the concern that people have about Ferguson and the militarization of the police at the shows.
	But again, I think this really gets at what you were just talking about before.
	You know, we can't get away from the realities of biology, the realities of race, and that there are going to be consequences to this fact.
	And quite frankly, what is happening in Ferguson in terms of the violence and the kind of crazed protest and so on and so forth, to be frank, it is not that surprising.
	That is basically just a little more spectacular than what you'd see in a black neighborhood seven days a week.
	And we, you know, it's almost like we're in this horrible situation where We don't want to admit that reality.
	We don't want to think about the consequences.
	Keep having a big arms build up as just a way of denying it all.
	So we have the largest prison system in the world.
	Everyone wants to talk about how Russia or China are totalitarian.
	We have so many more people in prison at the moment than China.
	It's not even funny.
	We have this massive prison population.
	Why do we have that?
	Well, I think it has a lot to do with those things that we think don't exist.
	The realities of biology, the realities of race.
	And it's like Americans want to just continually deny these things.
	And our way of denying it is to create a militarized police, create a prison population, create all this stuff, this trillions of dollars of infrastructure, as a way of lying to ourselves.
	And I think that's the thing.
	That's the thing that these libertarians are missing, which is, of course, not surprising.
	But, you know, like, oh, it's so terrible that they're using rubber bullets, they're pointing guns at people.
	I agree.
	You should only point a gun at someone if you're willing to pull the trigger.
	You do not want to be pointing guns at anyone.
	You're just going to inspire people to run or kill you or whatever.
	But again, I totally sympathize.
	I don't want to live in a society where the military is...
	Creating law and order on the street and are pushing people around.
	I don't want to live like that.
	I want to live in a peaceful society.
	Needless to say, I think that's true.
	But again, you can't understand what's happening to the police unless you understand.
	What is truly causing it?
	And that's something that Americans, we don't want to understand.
	We don't want to ultimately talk about.
	So anyway, I'll let you go.
	That's basically my kind of take on this whole militarization.
	That was a great assessment of the issue, Richard, and I'm glad you came back to this because we were talking about it before the taping began, and I wanted to chime in on this.
	You mentioned, though, first, peace, living in a peaceful society.
	I mean, the only way you're going to live in a relatively peaceful society...
	If you live in a racially homogenous society.
	And, you know, as long as we are blessed with multiculturalism, we're going to continue to reap all of the benefits of multiculturalism.
	And that is, of course, what you're seeing in Ferguson.
	If Ferguson was an all-white town, none of this would have happened.
	And none of this would be happening.
	And I think that goes without saying.
	But, I mean, yeah, obviously, and ultimately, I'm against the militarization of the police.
	You go back to the'60s when the National Guard was mobilized to basically force the southern states to break their own laws, I guess.
	And I was against it then.
	And I want to be consistent.
	I think every time you see a militarization of the police, and it's happening obviously more frequently now than ever, it tenderizes the American public into acceptance.
	And you don't want to get to the point where it just becomes commonplace for this to occur, because then you get complacent to the point of what happens when they roll into your town, and when they roll into your town to do things that they shouldn't be doing.
	Now, in this case, in Ferguson, obviously, they have a police force of less than 100.
	I mean, they're not fit to handle the unrest.
	And so, you know, I guess if you...
	Frame it in a way of asking yourself on any given issue or any given scenario, if you base your decision to the answer of, is it good for our people?
	I think in this case, they need more of a police force than what they had on hand to deal with the rioters.
	And so...
	You know, I guess in a way in Ferguson, not to contradict myself or sound hypocritical, I'm glad that there's more of a force there in order to, because who knows what would happen.
	But again, maybe that's something we should find out.
	If all the white people left, if all the people who tried to maintain law and order left Ferguson and just let them have it and see what happens.
	That would be a pretty interesting case study.
	Yeah, that's more or less how I feel about these things at this point.
	I don't want to sound like I'm some kind of nihilist, but I really, yeah, maybe we should face the consequences of our belief structure.
	How about that?
	That's right.
	I mean, of course, that would never happen.
	I mean, I couldn't see all of the decent people of Ferguson and the police leaving, but, I mean, look at what happened when they tried to enforce the law.
	I mean, it doesn't pay.
	If he didn't pay for this guy to protect himself and pay for this guy to defend himself and to try to enforce the law, I mean, he's going to pay for it very dearly, and certainly he already has, and it's only going to get worse for this police officer.
	So if this is what you get for following the book and implementing the rules, what incentive is there?
	And I guarantee you that that's going through the minds of a lot of those, I don't know if they're soldiers or whatever the peacekeeping force is up there.
	You know that's got to be going through their mind.
	I mean, can they defend themselves?
	Can they do anything to repel an attack from a black person without risking them for the rest of their lives?
	It has to be in the back of their mind.
	Unquestionably.
	James, this has been an excellent conversation, and unfortunately, I believe we might have to have you on again to talk about Ferguson, because as I said before, I don't think this is going away.
	But before you go, please just talk a little bit about this really interesting situation.
	An opportunity that you had to speak with a man named Anthony Cumia.
	He's actually involved with, or he was involved with a show called Opie and Anthony, which I wasn't really aware of myself, but I think it is very popular on...
	Or, you know, on Sirius FM.
	And he actually got into a race controversy of his own.
	And you actually had him on.
	And I thought what was really remarkable is that he faced all of the slings and arrows of political correctness.
	And he actually has not backed down.
	And he's found a way to make a living and actually remain a success.
	Despite this kind of witch hunt, highly predictable witch hunt that ensued.
	So before you go, just tell us a little bit about that story, and then tell us a little bit about your interview of Kumina.
	I'd be happy to, Richard.
	And before I do that, I want to thank you again for having me on.
	It's been a very intellectually stimulating experience and conversation, as it always is when we speak.
	But, you know, Anthony Cumia, like you, I had heard of the Opie and Anthony show.
	I'd never tuned in.
	I knew a little bit about who he was.
	And I just knew that it was a very big program.
	It sort of is like a poor man's Howard Stern.
	I only say poor because compared to Howard Stern, their audience isn't as big, but it still reached out.
	They started out in New York, like Stern.
	They had 17 major affiliates in the Northeast, and then they got picked up by Sirius XM Satellite Radio.
	And so this guy...
	You know, was making, I would assume, high six, low seven-figure salary.
	A very big show.
	You know, a very big audience.
	And about a month ago, or a little more than that, I guess, he was in Times Square taking pictures, as people do in Times Square.
	And he was, for no reason, apparently, accosted by a black woman, and he got to see diversity up close and personal.
	But now, come to find out, I'm doing research on him after I had him on the show.
	I learned more about him after we had him on the show than I ever knew about him during the course of the interview.
	But he had spoken, very frankly, about race for years now on satellite radio, time to time interjecting it.
	But what got him in hot water was after this...
	...alleged assault on the hands of this black woman who thought erroneously that he was taking pictures of her.
	He posted to Twitter.
	I mean, she, you know, verbally abused him and was punching him.
	And he had a gun, and he didn't pull it.
	He said he never felt that his life was in danger.
	But in the moments after the attack, he got onto Twitter and called her an animal along with some very other, you know, salty adjectives.
	Talk about the problem of violence in the black community and color savage and just that.
	You know, an emotional reaction.
	Not to say that it wasn't true in that example, but he was very hastily fired by Sirius XM.
	But immediately after the find, he said he's never going to apologize.
	He's not going to pretend that he didn't mean what he said.
	If he had it to go over again, he would do the exact same thing.
	And that certainly was very eye-opening to me after I picked up on it.
	And I picked up on it, you know.
	This started to circulate among the usual suspects in our ranks.
	And I read about this story on a few different websites.
	And so we contacted him and asked him to come on the show, which he did about three weeks ago, I guess it was.
	And it made, you know, fairly significant news.
	I won't say it made national news in terms of, you know, you could have seen coverage of it on CNN or Fox or any of those places.
	But Media Matters did a big article on it.
	Left-wing websites, like some of the ones you've mentioned, the Daily Beast and some of these others, or Daily Banter and some of these, they made pretty big news.
	I think at the end of the day, it wouldn't be unreasonable to believe that probably 100,000 people either heard about it on our radio program or watched it on YouTube or read about it on some of these other sites.
	I know there were a few thousand likes on the media matters.
	Article alone in response to this.
	But he came on the show for an hour, and I really didn't know exactly where he would go with this, because, again, I didn't have a lot of information about him at the time.
	But if you listen to that hour interview that we did with Anthony Cumia, it's really no different at all than the conversation we've had for the last hour, Richard.
	It wasn't over the top.
	It wasn't overzealous.
	It wasn't sensational.
	He just talked very openly about race and was surprisingly frank.
	And so, at the end of the day, you know, we don't want to over-exaggerate the significance of this.
	As I said to you before, you know, no one's going to compute Anthony Cumia with Jan Sobieski or somebody like that with a true hero.
	But what you do have here, and this is a fact, you have the biggest celebrity to date to come out...
	And explicitly offered pro-white commentary and refused to apologize.
	He took it further than Mel Gibson.
	He took it further than Gary Oldman.
	And he didn't back down one bit.
	And after all of this hysterical reaction to his interview on the political cesspool came to life, he dabbled down and depended us on his program.
	And as a matter of fact, just before, if I could add this, just to put the cherry on top.
	A couple of weeks before we even had Anthony Cumia on, we also welcomed a gentleman by the name of Sean Bergen.
	Sean Bergen was a former reporter for News 12 in New York and New Jersey, a very major television outlet up there.
	And he was fired for editorializing in an on-air live story that dealt with a black man, young black man.
	A young child.
	A toddler of some sort, unarmed.
	And so, in hearing this, live and on the air, Bert and...
	I said that there's a problem with black violence, and part of the problem stems from fatherlessness, and certainly we would agree that illegitimacy probably has a negative impact on anyone, including blacks, but that's by no means the biggest problem.
	But just by suggesting that illegitimacy plays a role in the way that they act got him fired.
	Well, to make a long story short, he too was on our show, and now he and Cumia are working together.
	He's basically the co-host of the new Anthony Cumia show, which is a pay-per-view online thing, but I think it's $6.95 a month, and he already has 40,000 or 50,000 subscribers.
	So it just goes to show that you don't necessarily have to be ruined, and you don't necessarily have to sacrifice your integrity and dignity and offer these fake apologies like we've seen from Paula Deen and so many others.
	Anthony Comey didn't back down.
	He's still making bank, and he's still interviewing celebrity guests, and he hasn't lost any of his friendships, at least as far as I know, and we've talked about that in the interview that we had.
	But here's this other guy, you know, another mainstream news figure, or at least formerly so, Sean Bergen, and now they're working together after both having appearances within a couple of weeks of one another on my show, so this could be a positive trend.
	I mean, again, maybe it will be, maybe it won't, but...
	And I don't like to put a lot of stock into celebrities.
	I don't think we should look to them for leadership or guidance.
	But the fact of the matter is, all revolutions are top-down.
	And it's going to take people with power, it's going to take businessmen, it's going to take elected officials like Mo Brooks in Alabama.
	Now, there's another one.
	You've got a congressman there saying that there's a war being waved against whites.
	And all of this has happened within the last month.
	Bergen, Cumia, Mo Brooks in Alabama, the congressman.
	Maybe...
	Things are beginning to shift a little bit.
	It's still too early to say.
	You know, certainly we don't have enough to constitute a trend, but that is three fairly significant examples in relatively short order, and we can only hope that more people begin to see the light and speak up about this, because it will take people, it will take celebrities, I hate to say it, to get...
	you know, the bread and circus crowd on board.
	You know, you've got to make these issues trendy and fashionable and in vogue.
	We can present all the data and all of the facts until we're blue in the face, but unfortunately, to reach the rank and file middle Americans, it's going to take people that they know and you know, hopefully the V3 will be the beginning of something much Yeah, I agree.
	I totally agree.
	PC and the substitute religion that we've been talking about, that's a start.
	You know, I mean, it's a necessary step, and it's a start, and maybe we're seeing this break, and I certainly hope so.
	But James, thank you for being back on, and thank you for offering your insights, and I certainly want to have you on sooner than later.
	I think we had too long a hiatus in between interviews on the podcast, so hopefully you'll join me again soon.
	I'm ready whenever you are, Richard.
	It's great to be back on.
	Love the work you're doing with Ray Diggs.
	And I'm a big fan, and I look forward to doing it again soon and having you on my program in the meantime.
	Oh, great, yes.
	Gleisch Falls, as they say in Germany, likewise.
	So I'm a big fan.
	So, James, I'll talk to you soon.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Richard.
	Have a great night.

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