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Jan. 16, 2026 - Rudy Giuliani
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America's Mayor Live (844): Iran Protests Continue as the Regime Continues to Crack Down on Dissent

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This Rudy Giuliani and this is America's mayor live, live from Palm Beach, not Tehran, we wish, and we pray that at some point very, very quickly that city is liberated and they have a government we know they're capable of.
I've worked with MEK for 15 years.
I've become enormously familiar with, as best you can from the outside, what's going on inside of Iran.
I've seen through television communications, the enthusiasm of the people inside Iran for freedom.
Gosh, I remember back, you can go back to 2018 seeing a sign that will stand in my memory forever, a man, a man, not just one, but several, but one in particular, one man holding a sign asking for $500 for his kidney, who would sell his kidney for $500 if he wanted, because Iran, much like it's Big Pal China, is very, very big in the human parts business.
And sometimes they're not terribly careful about whether the human body is alive, dying, or dead.
In China, in fact, most of them are people that they kill.
Mostly the Ugar people and the Falun Gong are fingered.
And if they're in need of a young heart or whatever, they'll go get a 17 or 18 year old, pull out their heart and throw them in the garbage.
That's because the Chinese communists have no regard for human life, nor do the Iranians.
That sounds like somebody trying to imitate me.
Hmm, somebody around here trying to imitate me.
So we did, I have to point this out, and it is surprising, but maybe it's a good sign.
Judge Catherine Menendez refused a request for a temporary restraining order by the rogue state of Minnesota when they sought an order that would prevent the ICE agents from carrying out federal law because they said it was creating a public danger.
They called it an invasion.
They never thought of doing that when I don't know how many Somalis came into.
They say there were almost a million Somalis in Minneapolis.
I don't believe that.
I don't believe it's 900,000.
But in any event, I think it's more like a couple of hundred thousand.
But whatever it is, it's an invasion.
And they never thought of going to court then to try to stop it.
I mean, after all, these people weren't vetted.
They didn't speak English.
Half of them don't speak English now.
They don't work.
80% are on welfare.
They come from a country that is thoroughly corrupt and dishonest, where criminality is just assumed.
They have no understanding of the United States.
In large part, a lot of them are just plain illiterate.
And they started committing crimes right away, big time.
As even before we found out that they stole between $1 and $9 billion from the American taxpayer.
Not only that, I'm sure they have some serious poverty among people who came here.
They stole the money from their own people and kept the food out of their mouths.
Never went to court, never went anywhere to try to stop it.
Now the ICE agents come in, the federal agents come in to try to arrest those.
And you see the records of the people they're arresting, right?
rape, murder, assault, theft, molesting children.
Almost seems like it's an epidemic of molesting children by these people.
And what they want to do is stop the federal government from getting them out of the United States.
And they're here illegally.
And anywhere from seven to eight to nine out of 10 of the people they arrest have not only come here illegally, but they have violated the laws that we know about.
That isn't to say that the ones that haven't violated the laws haven't done it and we didn't catch them.
We don't catch everybody who violates the law.
Have you ever figured that out?
You know that, right?
Well, this community has to be described, given the level of fraud and the amount of crime, as about as close to systemically criminal as you can get.
If Biden could say we were systemically racist, when the percentage of racism in this country is about that, these people are systemically criminal.
And they're going to court trying to stop the lawful operation of federal law.
Now, this case was before a judge appointed by Biden.
And I got to believe the government thought they're going to lose this case, the TRO, and hopefully win it eventually on appeal.
But it would have interrupted their Judge Menendez says that there wasn't a basis on which to enter a temporary restraining order, but she'll hold on to the case and consider it more carefully.
She told the feds to file their argument by Monday, which is also giving them a sufficient and decent amount of time.
When I was doing this kind of stuff for Trump, they would give me 12 hours to answer or 24 hours and wouldn't even give me a delay when my lawyers were being forced off the case with threats to their families.
So I have to say, Judge Menendez sounds like you're an old-fashioned judge.
You don't rule on politics.
You rule on the law.
Because, I mean, the whole idea that they can stop the operation of federal law.
The reality is, as I explained on the earlier show, and I know we have a somewhat different audience, right, Ted?
Right.
These people should have been arrested immediately when they started this whole idea of these super sanctuary states.
What I mean by a super sanctuary state is, sure, a state doesn't have to cooperate with the federal government on everything.
And there are some things that are particularly within the province of the state, like education, for example, even law enforcement of things that aren't rise to the level of federal crime.
Law enforcement is considered, by and large, a local prerogative.
Just the opposite with immigration.
Immigration is really a function of our foreign policy.
The Constitution is clear as hell that it's a province of the federal government.
That means the states have no role in it except being told what to do and cooperating.
And when they don't cooperate, and it means that people go free and then occasionally kill people as they do based on the actions of these entirely irresponsible Marxists who are in Minneapolis, they should be arrested and put in jail.
Absolutely.
No question.
I mean, the people in New York should have gone to jail for the death of Lake and Riley.
They let that animal out who never should have been let out of jail.
Of course.
And you when you look at a person's criminal record, it's predictable when they're going to commit crimes again.
There's a whole category.
Gosh, this was figured out way back in the 70s in a book by James Q. Wilson of career criminals.
They're crime machines.
So you take, let's take a simpler crime, a break-in guy, a guy who specializes in breaking in homes that are unoccupied or apartments that are unoccupied.
You catch him, you put him in jail.
For every year you put him in jail, you probably cut 100 to 200 robberies.
That's what he probably doesn't even.
He probably does 100 to 200 in a year.
And he probably gets caught, if we're lucky, every one out of hard to say, depending on how good he is, 50, 100, 200, 300.
Depends on how good he is.
Right.
So when you see a record like this of a career criminal, that's what he got caught for.
His record really is like this.
If he's done rape, believe me, there are multiple rapes he never got caught for.
A little bit better now with DNA.
And when you go back to when I used to do it, particularly since women just don't report rape the way other crimes are reported.
So they tend to get away with a lot of rapes.
And it is pretty much a habitual crime.
Venezuela.
Today, the person who was elected by over 60% of the vote of the people of Venezuela went to meet the president of the United States and gave her and gave him her Nobel Peace Prize.
And as Cara Castranova told us on our earlier show, CNN and MSNBC and all were very angry about that.
They felt he didn't deserve it.
But since it's her award and not theirs, I don't know what business of theirs.
I mean, they don't think that the Nobel Peace Prize to Barack Obama before he even began being president was inappropriate.
Do you have to say anything about that?
It's just ridiculous.
And then after he started wars, did he have to give it back?
No, how about the Pulitzer Prizes to the people who wrote some of the biggest lying stories in history about Russian collusion that turned out to be an absolute farce, a total lie, and paid for by Hillary Clinton?
Right.
How about them?
How do we?
I mean, Trump did settle a couple of wars.
I mean, and he did.
He did.
Yeah, he is putting Venezuela.
Yeah, eight, as you point out, eight, eight.
But he is putting Venezuela on the road to freedom.
And who knows?
We might see Iran on the road to freedom.
Well, we are now learning that the president did accept the peace prize.
And we have some video, not from inside the meeting, the meeting was kept private.
But what we do have is Miss Maria Carina Machado outside the White House afterwards kind of going through her explanation as to why.
And she very much understands the history of our two countries and regions.
Here's Corinna Machado outside the White House earlier today.
I presented the President of the United States the medal of the Nobel Prize Prize.
And I told him this.
Listen to this.
Two hundred years ago, General Lafayette gave Simón Bolívar a medal with George Washington.
Bolívar since then kept that medal for the rest of his life.
Actually, when you see his portrait, you can see the medal.
And it was given by General Lafayette as a sign of the brothers.
Well, I mean, that is quite a gesture on her part.
Now, actually, it's a little more complicated than we're describing it.
She was going to be the candidate of her party against Maduro.
And Maduro, who must be a little smarter, he's supposed to be very dopey, but he must be a little smarter than Biden because he succeeded in getting her off the ballot.
Well, that's not saying much.
When Biden tried four times to get Trump off with four indictments and who knows what else.
Not that I would suggest that they'd had anything to do with the shooting, but I mean, since it's never really been investigated, who knows?
But at any event, they tried everything they could to keep Trump off.
They couldn't keep Trump off.
But he succeeded in having Machado off.
But Machado ran someone in her place who got over, well, you can't tell because there hasn't been really an honest election in Venezuela, probably in a generation or two.
They invented the phony voting machines.
Did you know that?
I mean, Chavez did.
I once said that at a press conference, and I think I was thrown off YouTube and just about every other place imaginable, even though I had an audience of over a million earning a couple hundred thousand dollars a year, just thrown off because I said they had a meeting in Venezuela and talked about how to do these machines.
Now it's going to turn out, as she has pointed out, she has all the evidence.
Chicaro.
Just like, by the way, Zelensky's got all the evidence that proves everything that I said was right.
And he's hanging on to it a little creep.
Now, I'm in his favor in terms of Russia, but I'm not a fool.
I know he's a crook.
And he's covering up massive corruption.
This is one of those things like the Shah, the Shah, and the Ayatollah.
Well, now we have on the phone probably one of probably, I would say, the best constitutional lawyer I know, an expert, and I'd probably add criminal law to that.
My former adversary at times, my good friend, and a real American patriot, Alan Dershowitz.
So we had him.
He dropped off, but he's about to be back on.
He just called me.
So we're just moments away from Alan Dershowitz.
The reason he did that is Red Sox fans are just not good at manipulating.
They're not good at some of this stuff.
Alan is absolutely perfect on everything, but everybody has one problem.
That's also another thing that makes us very close.
Is he from New York though?
No, he's from Brooklyn.
But he's a Red Sox fan?
Yeah, I'm a Yankee fan and he's a Red Sox fan.
Well, he spent a lot of time at Harvard, right?
I think that must have been where it changed.
As a youngster, he was a Dodger fan, but probably angry that they double-crossed Brooklyn.
When they left?
Yeah, yeah.
I felt they double-crossed Brooklyn.
I was angry.
I mean, this is very strange, but because it's your child, I love the Dodgers.
The old Dodgers.
I don't like the new Dodgers.
I presented awards in 2010 in 1995.
I presented awards to the Brooklyn Dodger team that won the World Series against the Yankees.
I was the mayor and I was a very big Yankee fan.
I thought it would be nice if I did it.
And the Yankees were there too.
A lot of the Yankee players were there.
And it was unbelievable for me to see all of them.
I was a big advocate of Gil Hodges being in the Hall of Fame, number 14, because I thought Gil Hodges was one of the best first basemen I had ever seen.
And my cousin was in love with him.
A female cousin was in love with him.
And I remember became a pretty darn good friend of Ralph Branke over the years.
So, you know, it's like your childhood.
Yeah, they were the adversaries, but they filled up your childhood.
And I didn't have that kind of feeling like you were angry at your guy.
I would respect them because I realized how good they were.
I've respected their abilities as players.
It's just so different now.
People are so angry at anything that's different than them.
Jeez.
Well, Alan, I just talked to him again.
Well, we'll get him.
Don't worry.
So Iran, we'll talk a little about Iran because I think that's what we're going to talk to him.
We could talk about anything, actually.
Well, with all of his knowledge, right?
Yeah.
But in Iran Tonight, Mayor, the president now, for a second time today, said that the crown prince, the Nepo baby Shah, as we call him on this show, seems like he must be a nice guy, but the president is not ready to help propel him into office should the Ayatollah fall.
He's, and I want to get the exact language from the president.
Well, that's a good idea because the residual outrage at the reign of his father, which in comparison to the Ayatollah was obviously not nearly as bad.
But as I said, it's like comparing Mussolini and Hitler.
He did kill his share of people and particularly hated by the ethnics who he executed.
Right.
And so that's, you know, as people here, you know, maybe some members of the diaspora, Iranian Americans here seem to be very supportive.
That should not be confused with what's happening on the ground inside the country.
Folks should understand it, right?
And he's throwing a lot of money around to try to get support.
Well, after that nice long introduction there.
Alan, hi.
How are you?
I'm good.
Just got down to Florida, so I'm very happy.
Nice weather.
Oh, get to see you.
You look like you're pretty relaxed in comparison to some of the other times I see you.
So, what do you think about Iran and what's happening?
And is the president going to have to use force ultimately?
I think so.
Iran is the most dangerous country in the world in 1945.
It is the leading country exporting terrorism all over the world.
It has killed more Americans, more Israelis, more Arabs.
It's just, you know, a horrible, horrible country.
And I'm not going to second guess how best to overthrow the regime, but there is no doubt the regime has to be overthrown.
And if Trump doesn't do it, he'll become Obama, too.
Obama had the chance and he failed.
And I think Trump has to do it.
Now, he may decide that military action would backfire.
I'm not going to second guess him on that.
There's a report in today's newspaper that Netanyahu urged him not to right now bomb Iran because the protesters are doing a pretty good job on their own.
So I think it's now a tactical, not a strategic.
Strategically, there must be a regime change.
That must happen.
Tactically, how it happens really is up to the experts.
And I'm not an expert on that, although I know a lot about it.
Yeah, I do.
I mean, I think what you're saying about Bibi is my view.
And as you know, I work a lot with the MEK and get a lot of information.
Or me too.
Yeah.
You do.
Through them.
And they're not asking for boots on the ground.
And they're not asking for, they're just asking for support.
The way Reagan did with Poland.
Yeah, absolutely.
And what Reagan did bringing the wall down.
All of those things are essential.
The United States can impose greater sanctions, can impose all kinds of cyber technology impacts.
And if it ultimately has to send in, not troops on the ground, nobody wants that, but surgical airstrikes against the leaders, that may ultimately be essential.
Right now, we don't have the aircraft carriers in place.
So it may be that what Trump is doing is just delaying a little bit, giving them a chance to do what they have to do until the aircraft carrier comes from the Caribbean to the Mediterranean or to the Indian Ocean, wherever it's coming.
And we have both air and naval support.
Again, that's tactical, not strategic.
But strategic, I don't think anybody should deny.
And of course, the Democrats are, many of them are, but that regime change is absolutely necessary.
If this ends up with the Ayatollahs and Khaimani still in control a year from now, we will have failed.
We would have missed an opportunity.
And we will have promoted all kinds of terrorism in the Middle East.
Look, I think everybody in the Middle East, the Gulf states, Syria, Egypt, I think they all want to see a change of regime.
They're not willing to say it.
But I think if that happened, there'd be no real objection.
Yeah, Al Jazeera, which is not exactly a newspaper I subscribe to, but you got to look at the other side.
They have a big article today saying, why the U.S. strike on Iran remains a very real threat.
I mean, they're reading Trump correctly.
Yeah.
And of course, they have good intelligence because they're Qatar.
Yeah.
We know what side they're on.
Yeah.
And we know it.
Well, no, you know what's interesting.
Qatar is not on any Qatar side, but generally that means that they lead toward Iran.
Qatar is also worried about Iran because look at what Iran did to Saudi Arabia a few years ago.
They can make life very, very difficult for Gulf State.
So I've met the Emir of Qatar three times.
I met his mother.
I met his brother.
They are really smart and very charming and charismatic people, but they're interested in only one thing, Qatar, of course.
Look, Trump puts America first and the people in Qatar put Qatar first.
That's understandable, but that doesn't mean we should be their allies on this.
Yeah, yeah, we should use them the way they're using us.
I mean, it reminds me of like Tito in the Colton.
People might not remember who Tito was.
You obviously do.
You and I remember.
I was talking before you came on about the Brooklyn Dodgers, but I think people were saying, who are they?
The Brooklyn Dodgers.
The Brooklyn Dodgers, are you kidding?
I still, you know, my doctor once asked me, are you having any problems with the bowel movement?
And I said, the Dodgers left Brooklyn in 1957.
But what do you care?
You were a Yankee fan.
You were a traitor.
You grew up in Brooklyn.
You don't understand.
You don't understand that as you get older, you must understand this.
Like, I gave out awards in 1995 to the old Dodgers and the old Yankees recognizing the anniversary of their beating the Yankees.
And Yogi Vera was there and Gil Hodges was there.
It was before he died.
And I think he was there.
Joe Black was there.
He was there.
And I felt I almost couldn't distinguish them because they were part of my childhood.
Like I fought very hard to get Gil Hodges.
I fought very hard to get Gil Hodges in the Hall of Fame because I thought he was the best first baseman I ever saw.
Absolutely.
But look, most of my Italian-American friends were Yankee fans.
Phil Rizzo, Joe DiMaggio, Yogi.
Maggio did it.
No, we had one.
We had two Italian Americans on the Brooklyn Dodgers.
You can call Farillo, of course.
Yes.
Yet Roy Camp Vanella.
Roy Camp Vanilla, right?
But even Ted is a little amazed.
Look at you.
You see Ted's face.
Well, I don't know.
Professor, you go from the Dodgers to the Red Sox.
I attributed that to your time in Cambridge.
No, not at all.
It's the fact that the Dodgers left Brooklyn.
And so I went up to Cambridge before the Mets.
So the Today.
Ah, I see.
Okay.
So he, yeah, he can justify that.
But, you know, I have to tell you, I'm in the process of converting.
I'm breaking news about going to a rabbi and a priest and a minister and converting and becoming a Yankee fan.
I love their management.
I like what they're doing.
And I like the Red Sox a little bit less.
So, you know, if the Dodgers came back to Brooklyn, it'd be no problem.
But with the Dodgers in LA and the Yankees up in the Bronx, I like going to Yankee games.
You know, we're a Yankee game together.
Remember, we compared our rings.
If you become a Yankee fan, I'll go to Yankee Stadium with you.
How's that?
Definitely.
You got a deal.
Oh, spring training coming up.
Spring training is coming up.
I always both applied.
Last year, I went.
This is an interesting story.
I used to go to spring training for the Red Sox.
I used to sit with the owner, John Henry, in the owner's box.
I was one of their big fans.
The day I defended Donald Trump, I was no longer welcome in Fenway Park.
I was never again invited to Fenway Park.
And I wrote a piece last year in Hotbed saying, why am I not going to opening game?
I went to every opening game for like 40 years, and Henry and his wife turned me away.
They used to take us away.
We flew with them on their plane.
We went to the Galapagos together.
We were good friends.
But the minute I defended Donald Trump in front of the Senate, I was totally cut off by the Red Sox ownership, which is I'm thinking about maybe making a formal conversion.
I don't know if you have to go to the synagogue or the church or I think you got to go to all of them.
Stadium.
You stay out of a mosque.
In Yankee Stadium, what?
Well, stay out of a mosque.
You don't have to go to a mosque.
You have to go to a synagogue and a church.
Well, I think the mayor might have some sort of right or privilege to ordain you as a Yankee fan.
Baptize you, a Yankee fan or something like that.
I won't circumcise you, but I'll baptize you.
Sandy Koufax just turned 90.
So maybe he can.
He looks great.
He looks great, by the way.
He is fantastic.
You know, he grew up a block away from me.
His father was Irving Koufax, small-time lawyer.
He had a little sign in front of his house, Irving Koufax, insurance claims, accidents, tax returns.
And Sandy went to the synagogue around the corner from, you know, two Jews, two synagogues.
So he went to the other conservative Jew.
I was an Orthodox Jew, but I knew him and he played basketball.
He was a great basketball player.
And probably an unerring shot.
Well, he was a lefty.
You know, he had a great.
Yeah.
In those days, being a lefty as a basketball player gave you a great advantage.
Yeah.
And he could dunk.
He was only like six foot one, but he could dunk.
And he was terrific.
And he was such a nice person.
My wife, who's the most wonderful person in the world, for my 50th birthday, I come home for dinner.
Who's sitting at dinner?
Sandy Koufax.
She arranged it.
Wow.
We reminisce about the old days and everything I remembered about him.
He said, never happened, never happened.
I'm going to put you to work one last question.
All right.
We're going to switch this subject.
Explain to me how you can go into court and try to stop ICE from making arrests for whether you agree or disagree with someone being an illegal alien.
As a matter of law, they are.
And most of the arrests they're making are the worst of the worst.
Seven or eight out of 10 have criminal records.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So they go into court.
The judge was a Biden judge and she turned down the TRO.
I was impressed.
Maybe our courts are getting back to the way they used to be.
They better be.
They better be because otherwise our checks and balances become just another political thing.
Look, even going back to the terrible killing of that woman good, you know, you're a criminal lawyer.
I'm a criminal lawyer.
You look at the intent of the defendant.
If they were to put this guy Ross on trial, the issue would be what did he subjectively, reasonably, based on his own experiences, remember, he had been run over previously.
And you know, there's a leading case in New York, the Getz case, where the higher courts in New York said you have to allow the experience of the defendant to be considered as part of the reasonableness.
So these people who are calling him a murderer are defaming him.
They know nothing about criminal law.
And even you, who was the toughest prosecutor I ever faced, you know, I have a pretty good winning record, but not so good against Rudy Giuliani.
You're being too kind.
A record against other prosecutors.
But even you, I think, would acknowledge that person, a law enforcement official, reasonably believes that he was about to be run over.
And the only way to stop it is by using self-defense.
That's a defense.
Professor, I should tell you that a long time ago, I spent an entire Saturday in Bob Morgenthau's office when I was U.S. attorney reviewing the Gets case because Bob, being the sharp guy he was, was trying to get me to prosecute it as a federal civil rights case.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, Howard Wilson, you remember Howard Wilson?
He was great.
Yeah.
Howard Wilson and I spent the entire day going through the confession.
We listened to his whole confession.
Yeah.
And Howard looked at me.
I looked at him.
We had both tried many jury trials.
And we said, you know, Clarence Darrow couldn't convict him.
In front of a jury, this would be an unbelievable defense, both legal, but even just factual.
Of course.
And we turned it down.
I turned down the case and Bob was very upset because he was trying to get, he knew how bad it was.
But then if you remember, they even overcharged him, which I thought was really stupid.
If you were going to get him at all, maybe some kind of negligence.
I think they may have charged him with first-degree murder or second-degree murder.
Well, it was sent back.
I remember on a remand from the New York Court of Appeals, proper grand jury instruction.
Look, Bob Morgenthau was great.
Bob is a great guy.
Absolutely.
And he knew.
And he was trying to point.
He was trying to.
Bob and I became good friends late in his life.
Great friend of Israel, by the way.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
And he had a house on Martha's Vineyard.
And I don't have too many friends on Martha's Vineyard these days, but Bob was one of them, Bob and his wife.
We were very close friends.
My wife was very close friends with his wife.
And he was fantastic.
And tragically, he and his wife died within, I think, six months of each other.
Happens a lot, right?
Yeah, he was in his late 90s and she was much younger, but they were great people, the Morgenthau's.
Absolutely.
You know, he came to see me within three days of being mayor with several other people from the Jewish community.
And Dinkins had refused to put in the city's fund for the Holocaust Museum and left them $10 million short.
They had raised $30 million privately.
The city had promised $10 million.
And all of the donations they got were premised on the city putting in a third or a quarter.
And the people who donated were now complaining to them.
And I've forgotten who else it was, but several prominent members of the Jewish community, you would know.
And I put the money in right away.
And from then on, I mean, when I was mayor, you know, he offered me the job once of being his chief assistant when I was an assistant U.S. attorney.
And I stayed and worked for Mike Seymour.
You know, went over to the DA's office.
And then, of course, we became sort of rivals when I was, because he wanted every case imaginable, but so did I.
But when I became mayor, we became very close.
But that museum down in the Bowery is fantastic in the Lower East Side.
It's fantastic.
I love doing it.
I mean, I love doing it.
And that brought us together.
And then he, I never had problems with the DAs as mayor, but he was the dean.
And if I had a problem with the DA who wasn't prosecuting a case or whatever, I would just call Bob and Bob would straighten it out.
They would listen to anything he said.
Yeah, yeah.
So he was the dean.
He was great.
He was great.
And look, I hope we get back to the days where we have prosecutors are the most important people in the criminal justice system.
I tell my students all the time, you want to really have an impact on criminal justice, don't become a defense attorney, become a prosecutor.
They're the ones who make the hard decisions.
You know, after 20 years, you want to make a few bucks.
Okay, then you because defense attorneys make more money.
Prosecutors are paid by the government.
But do a few years as a prosecutor and work for a great prosecutor's office.
And you were one of the offices that I would always send my students to.
I know you did.
Yeah.
I ran into Elliot Spitzer the other day on the street.
Elliot.
Oh, I love that.
He was my research assistant.
Well, Alan, it's great to talk to you.
I ever had.
We're going to have to, we're going to have to get, we're going to have to do a podcast together.
On all this stuff.
You came to my class.
We had such fun together.
We did.
Class on legal ethics.
Can you tell us your view because they get such a bad publicity about MEK?
No, MEK is a great organization.
You know, they are really people on the ground.
They are the ones who have the most impact.
They are providing, they have provided incredible intelligence.
It wouldn't surprise me if they provided the intelligence that allowed the B-2s to attack the Iranian nuclear facilities in the 12-day war, which was one of the great wars of all time.
Very few civilians were killed and really set back the Iranian nuclear program.
I think MBK has a lot, a lot of positives, and they have obviously have to have a role in any new government.
I'm glad.
I'm glad you, I know you have experience with them.
And they're subjected to so much demonizing, a lot of it paid for by the regime.
So I'm glad that you were able to express that.
Yeah.
I've worked with Mehmed Mujavi, who's the head of it, and very, very good people.
So let's get together.
Maybe we can go to a spring training game.
That would be great.
All right.
Okay.
I'll be down in Florida.
Give me a call.
We'll go.
We'll have some fun.
Then we'll go and you preside over my official.
I'm going to see what I can do.
God bless you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
This guy could be maybe the greatest lawyer of our generation.
And particularly in terms of ethics.
I mean, he's a great constitutional lawyer.
And the thing about him that, and I'm very critical of lawyers, very.
Every lawyer is.
Lawyers are terrible.
They were critical of each other.
We all think we're the smartest and we all think our interpretation is the best.
But Alan Allen is, I can't say he's no, nobody's always right, but he's pretty close to always right.
And even when he's not, I got a good reason for it.
And he's quick.
He's not one of these.
He's not one of these lawyers.
And you, on the one hand, but on the other, by the time you finish with him, you don't know what to do because he says both are correct or both are wrong.
He'll tell you his view.
And he's terrific to.
Correct me if I'm wrong because I've watched him for years.
I began as his adversary in the courtroom.
But you never thought of him as partisan either, right?
You always thought of him as like understanding the Constitution.
Maybe he'd have his positions and his political beliefs, but you always knew when he was talking or explaining an issue, it came from a legal perspective, strictly legal interpretation.
I know him since 1973.
He hasn't changed his position at all.
He defended Trump for the same reason I did, because we thought he was innocent.
And even beyond that, we thought he was entitled to a defense.
Right.
I defended Trump because I, having been with him during the campaign, I knew from day one that the Russian collusion thing was a frame-up.
Right.
And as a prosecutor, there aren't things much worse than a frame-up to me.
I would be haunted by putting an innocent man in jail.
I'd stay up at night.
I would think about it.
I'd go over the case again and again and again.
After a case was over, I'd go over it again.
If you wanted to come in and try to convince me that I had screwed up and I was wrong, I would listen to you.
I almost never turned down a lawyer who wanted to come and argue a case to me.
Prosecutors don't do that anymore.
They're too busy.
They're too busy to listen to some lawyer.
I was never too busy to listen to a lawyer.
That was my job.
My job was, and I believe this, and I was taught this by people like Bob Morgenthau.
And my job as a prosecutor was not to get convictions.
It was to do justice.
And if I could clear an innocent man, that would probably be just as effective as my convicting a very dangerous criminal.
Right.
And think of all the legal minds, the great legal minds that Professor Dershowitz had in his classroom.
Really?
Ted Cruz.
Who he describes as one of his five best students.
Which is amazing, right?
Because before 2016, I don't even know if it's true, but people would kind of put Dershowitz in the Democrat call.
He was.
100%.
All the days I knew him until now, until the Democrat Party has changed completely.
mean well it shows his character too it shows that he a truly principled liberal of the 1980s and 90s could not possibly be a democrat Possibly.
Right.
We used to think of them as the party of free speech.
If you're a Trump person, you might be an independent, but you couldn't possibly be a Democrat.
It would be unethical.
It would be wrong.
If you were religious as a Christian, it would be a sin.
If you were religious as a Jew, it'd be whatever, an SN.
Whatever.
Right.
Well, let's get on to a little bit of the rest of the news, but do we have to make some money since we're not communists?
Yeah.
And we're not subsidized.
Right.
And we have another great guest coming up in just a couple of minutes.
We have nobody subsidizing us.
So we have to do advertisements.
So we're going to take a quick break.
And when we come back, we have another great guest to speak about the ongoing unrest in Iran and the brutal crackdown of the regime.
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this is what goes into rudy's coffee welcome back after that uh interview with professor dershowitz which of course was on the subject of um of iran And he made it quite clear his support for the MEK and also the terrible situation there and how they have to be overturned.
But we did kind of go off on you.
You might have thought it was the wide world of sports or something.
But if Alan and I get together, it will either get to sports or some legal, some minute, totally, much better we talk sports.
If we started talking law, it would have been like, you know, the little on the edge of the pin.
And does this word mean this or does it mean that?
That's what lawyers are very small-minded.
But a lawyer like you, and I'm guessing like Dershowitz are able to take those concepts and apply them to everybody else.
I always found him to be an enormously challenging adversary.
I have to go back a long time with adversaries, but also a very honorable one.
Not the there are a lot.
I know lawyers have a terrible reputation, but there are a lot of my adversaries that I thought were very, very honorable.
A lot.
But I don't know if it's changed or whatever's happened.
So Venezuela is in a situation right now where it seems on the outside that the administration is satisfied with the cooperation that they're getting, which means they're getting plenty of oil.
In fact, I think we just sold our first big oil shipment.
We're going to make a fortune with this.
And it's going to do wonders for our economy.
And the real issue here is: can we get them to an election quickly, not have to have any more violence, and supervise that election, throw out their machines because they invented the dirty machines.
And there's no question that Machado and her party will win.
they got 60 plus percent of the vote of course we don't know because of all the cheating but the most uh conservative views were 60.
Some people thought it was 67 percent of the vote Maduro and his party had become extremely unpopular in Venezuela.
Um, and if we can make sure that they don't?
Um exercise a dictatorial control over the election and we can have a fair election, we might be able to get there peacefully, which is, I know, what the president wants to do.
Um, and it's the best way to do it, because you don't end up with animosity with the people in Venezuela.
I mean, if you have to invade or you have to bomb, you're going to kill people.
Um, right now we're achieving our objectives, and one of the main things that we've achieved is we've kicked China in the nuts.
Yeah, and I don't mean uh chicken with peanuts, I mean the real nuts.
Uh, this was their one of their source sources of uh trade, but also this, this is what they were counting on for for big ports in order to terrorize us and eventually to become the king of the world.
Things are looking very, very bad for China.
I don't even think they're going to be a queen if it keeps going this way.
Their economy is in terrible shape.
Yep, they had more uh, they had more exports than ever before, but that isn't their problem.
Their problem is they have no market.
They don't.
They don't have a domestic market.
They don't need they they they, they need to energize their people and make them productive pretty hard to do when you them off from stealing from us, the less capable they're going to be of competing with us.
So here we've cut off China from them, right?
Russia is useless to them.
Russia is a drag on them.
They've got to support Russia.
And Iran's not doing too well either.
So what are they left with?
Those countries around them, as we found out the other night, right, when we were talking about those countries around them, half of them hate them.
Half of them hate them.
I mean, you've got to remember when Trump went to visit Xi Jinming, he took a whole week to get, almost a whole week to get there.
He went right through southern Asia and he collected minerals and rare earths from Laos, from Malaysia, even from Cambodia, which is the closest to China.
And of course, from Vietnam, which is probably the biggest adversary.
And Vietnam, you might remember, is the first one to come in and voluntarily agree to the tariff deal.
The very first country in the world to come in.
This is a country we're at war with.
You know, it seems like the countries were at war with, like us, look at Japan and Germany until whatever happened to them now.
So this we haven't gotten to the point of complete victory yet, but we're getting a tremendous number of benefits out of this to the long term, including a year ago today, Iran had a hegemon in the northern Middle East.
They controlled, of course, Iran.
They had more control over Iraq than we did.
They completely control Syria.
They had the active cooperation of Turkey.
And of course, they had what were considered to be unbeatable proxies.
Well, Hamas had already shown weakness.
But Hezbollah was, oh my God, if Israel has to go to war with Hamas and Hezbollah, Israel won't be able to make it.
And you're never going to be able to stop the House.
And then, of course, there's Assad.
PP did away with all of them before we even had to.
When we went in to bomb Iran, I don't think they fired a shot at us because they weren't capable of it.
Do you know how that made them the emperor with no clothes in front of the whole world?
And there, China is having invested, what, billions in billions in Venezuela, totally useless, and billions in this crazy war that Putin is involved in.
Which I think the Chinese can't say anything, but they are totally against.
Absolutely against.
Yep.
And remember just a year or two ago, we were talking about how China could be dominating the world by the mid-century?
Yeah, China might be just getting out of bankruptcy in the mid-century.
And then the thing about China that I constantly reminded people when they would assess the Chinese economy, you can't assess it on any reasonable basis because let's make it a smaller number.
Let's say 35 to 40 percent of China is in fourth world poverty.
A poverty unheard of in our hemisphere, except maybe for Haiti.
Now, that's part of the country.
It's got to be dealt with eventually.
And when you look at their GDP, I really doubt that they know how to quantify that.
So it takes all their numbers and throws them off, as well as the fact that they lie completely.
So before we get to conclusions on this, Trump has already accomplished a tremendous amount in this constant pressure that he's putting on these countries that acted as, let's say, allies for China and Russia.
It's going to pretty much just be China pretty soon.
Maybe Venezuela can be done through an election.
Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe.
I don't think Iran can.
I think Iran is going to require some kind of intervention.
I agree with Alan.
It can't be troops.
Nor should it be in Venezuela.
If we want to affect what's going on there, we saw the dominance we have over them in the air.
There's no reason to be on the ground.
They do not have a nuclear defense.
It doesn't appear they have a conventional aerial defense.
And if they do, before we go in, Israel could knock it out for us.
So at some point, we're going to have to get rid of the Ayatollah and his regime and also give them in Iran a chance for an election and have a free government.
And just think of the difference in the Middle East.
I believe the president knows this.
No secret that the president's objective is to have Abraham accords across the board.
And what's the big one?
Saudi Arabia.
There is every reason to believe that Saudi Arabia right now says they can't do that unless there's a two-state solution.
Hogwash.
Saudi Arabia cares about the Palestinians as much as the Egyptians do and the Jordanians do, who do not allow them to come in their country.
Or as much as the Qataris do, who only allow the billionaire ones to come in their country.
Or as much as the EAU who don't allow them to come into their country.
The only ones who want to allow them to come into the country are the Biden Democrats.
Right?
All the Western democracies, even in Europe.
Even if European countries want to support them and they want to demonstrate for them, but they don't want them there.
So the reason they have to say that is their fear of the street, particularly in Saudi Arabia.
This has always been a major issue in Saudi Arabia.
If they go too far in the direction that their common sense leads them, they might be overthrown.
The royal family might be overthrown.
Mohammed bin Salman has reduced that a lot.
He stopped, maybe even before, they stopped funding the Moss, which is the way in which they indirectly supported terrorism.
They wouldn't directly support terrorism, but they'd indirectly support it because some of these mosques became the center for a lot of the Sunni terrorism.
But the real fear is that if they turn on Palestine, Iran will use that against them.
And Iran is stronger than they are.
They're richer, but Iran is, or they thought Iran was stronger than they were, and certainly would be stronger than they were if they had an atomic weapon.
You take Iran out of the equation, you make Iran a country that's also willing to do an Abraham Accord or neutral.
No.
I really believe in two to three years, you solve all the problems in the Middle East.
That's why it's so important.
The opposite is also true.
If you don't get rid of the Ayatollah, he'll regenerate or his successor will regenerate the way this one did.
So now we're going to have on Dr. Mohammed Tasoji of California State University at San Marcos.
And Dr. Mohammed is originally from Iran, right?
But if I can remember correctly, Doctor, you're a member of one of the ethnic.
What is the proper way to describe it?
Ethnic minorities, ethnic groups?
Ethnic minorities as Azeris.
I'm Azerbaijani.
From Azerbaijan.
Yes, yes.
So they're people originally from Azerbaijan who lived in Persia, Iran, etc.
Yes, yes.
First of all, I want to say hello.
I'm going to say hello too.
And thank you for having me.
Oh, it's quite an honor to have you.
And what a beautiful, and what a beautiful discussion you had with the professor before me.
And many of the points that you bring up and he brought up are right to the point.
So Azerbaijanis are one of the oldest ethnic groups that live in Iran, even before Persians came to Iran some few thousand years ago.
So they're originally from Iran.
And of course, some 130, 40 years ago, part of Azerbaijan was conquered by Russians and they were separated.
And now there is a Republic of Azerbaijan.
But majority of Azerbaijanis live in Iran.
We have about estimates are different, but close maybe to 20 million Azerbaijanis in Iran.
In Iran?
Yes, yes.
Speaking of minorities, between 41 to possibly 49% of Iranians are different ethnic groups.
Kurds, Baluchis, are also no Kurds.
Kurds, Baluchis, Arabs, Baluchis, Lauris, Turkmens.
Those are the first three or four you mentioned are larger groups, and there are smaller groups too, right?
Yes, that is true.
So tell me how, do they differ at all?
Well, the facial features are somewhat different.
Turkmens more like look like Central Asians.
Of course, you know, if you go to the south, the complexion become a little bit darker.
We have Arabs in Iran, of course, Baluchis.
The language is somewhat different.
Azerbaijan is a completely different language.
But Kurds and Baluchis and whatnot speak different dialects of Farsi.
What was the experience of your group?
First with the Shah and now with the Ayatollah?
Yeah, Mayor, you bring up a very good point.
Unfortunately, during the Pahlavi dynasty, during Mohammed al-Jashah, when I was his student in there, in the schools, you can't speak your language.
You had to speak Farsi.
I remember when we moved to the capital city from Azerbaijan, from Hoi, where I was born, I couldn't speak Persian.
And when I went to the kindergarten, I had a difficult time because we were not allowed to speak our language enough.
If you had books in your own language during the Shah, like in Azerbaijani, they would arrest you.
It was illegal.
So minorities, ethnic minorities in Iran, were always suppressed, both by the king's father, Reza Shah, as well as Mohammed ashah.
But however, the majority of suppression was with Baluchis and Kurds.
Kurdish people especially have been violently suppressed by both Reza Shah, the former king's father, and then Mohammed al-Zajah.
And Baluchis, they were completely neglected from economic development point and whatnot.
That's why Pahlavis don't have any support between ethnic minorities in Iran.
Either the previous king or Reza Pahlavi, the son of the king that now claims to kind of be the next ruler of Iran, which we're thinking, of course, they have no support among the ethnic minorities.
So that's about 50%.
Also, among Fars, Persian-speaking minorities, the support for the Reza Al-Lavi inside Iran is very minimal.
Although they have lots of money, funds that they and I must add that the Iranian regime also has been very active in helping indirectly Reza Lavi.
If you look at most of his advisors and whatnot, they are former members of the regime, either security forces or different factions of the regime.
And I Discovered some time ago that he's been in consistent communication with the Iranian guard, which technically is illegal because they're a terrorist group.
Yes, Mayor, my battery is running low on my let me okay.
Sorry about that.
I had to turn on the thing.
You know, technology, we think we know it, even if you're a professor, but sometimes you don't.
So I'm good now.
I put the attendant the switch.
So this, it seems to me that this boomlet for the son of the Shah is self-created.
Because from what I know inside of Iran, and I get a fair amount of information, there isn't, even among the Persians, let's call them, the Iranians, there isn't a wide,
there's still a great recollection of the Savak, of the torture, enough families who have people that were killed, and also a kind of feeling that this guy has had nothing to do with the resistance at all.
I mean, I've been involved in the resistance for 15 years.
I was at two events where they almost killed us.
I wasn't there, Mayor.
He wasn't there.
He never risked a hair on his head for his people.
He just stole their money.
It's absolutely correct.
He has done no real effort to help the Iranian people.
When he sees there is uprising, people are in the streets and whatnot, he comes and joins and says, okay, I'm the leader.
I'm the leader.
He has formed maybe 13, 14 coalitions that I can think of.
All of them have collapsed because nobody really believes.
He's just not a serious person.
I mean, when you send people in the streets, our estimates are that in this recent uprising, about 3,000 people were killed in the streets, and about 50,000 people have been arrested, detained.
And God knows what's going to happen to them.
But then he doesn't take any responsibility.
So he's been a very divisive figure for sure.
For sure, he's been supported by the Secret Service, Iranian Secret Service, Sabah Ma.
And as I said, many of his advisors have come recently from Iran and they have been very close to the Rouhani experts, former president Khatami, and others.
So there's no, it's not a genuine movement whatsoever at all.
And Iranian people know it.
So yeah, as you said, he's a self-proclaimed leader, but nobody takes him seriously.
So how do you see it?
What is there?
They promised the president yesterday that they wouldn't execute that one man.
And we can't even figure out what he did.
They say he was an offense to God.
But they said they weren't going to execute him.
But then the chief justice of Iran came out immediately and said they're not going to hold up the other executions.
And as far as I can tell, they were killing people today.
Yeah, I mean, it's very unfortunate.
The fact of the matter is that the Iranian regime cannot be trusted.
Time after time after time, we have seen that the word that they say, they just speak it.
They don't hold the truth.
They don't really back up.
I want to echo what Professor Gorshevich said before you, that Iran has been the main Islamic Republic of Iran, the Islamic regime, has been the main source of instability in the Middle East and to some extent in many other countries, many other places.
You were talking about Venezuela.
Venezuela, Iran had a big base in there.
There's a lot of Iranian personnel, security personnel, otherwise, that live there and work with Madora.
So, and then in Syria, in Iraq, in even I heard in Mexico, they have people.
I mean, they have been kind of threatening the U.S. that we have already identified the strategic locations in the U.S. and we can cause harm.
Of course, it's more threat than the truth, but it has to be taken seriously.
It has to be taken seriously, Professor, since we have four years of invasion in essence.
We had no idea who came in.
So, a long time ago in the Reagan administration, I was in charge of immigration during the Castro invasion, the Mario Boatlift and the Haiti.
But we at least had some idea of who was coming in.
We have anywhere from bare minimum 8 million, possibly 15 million people, 20 million that we haven't properly vetted.
We never had that before.
And it turns out that as we find these people and arrest them, and you know, I believe they're communists and Marxists who instigate these riots.
They're rioting, but they're rioting on behalf of when these arrests take place.
Six, seven, eight out of ten have long criminal records.
And bad ones, like murder, they're particularly heavy on the perversion crimes, abusing children, abusing women.
These are very bad people who came in, as would happen if you just open your door and say, we're not going to look.
Everybody's going to dump every problem on us.
And Maduro just emptied his prisons.
So we're at risk of any number of attacks, and we don't have the intelligence base that we used to have when I was doing this, because no president ever allowed what Biden allowed.
So we got to get control over it.
How do you think the what's the most likely way that the Ayatollah would be overthrown?
And then how do you do?
I mean, I worked, as you know, with the MEK a lot.
And I like the plan, the 10-point plan, and I like the idea of an interim government for six months or nine months, but with everybody getting a chance to run, which I think they would do.
They've turned out to be very honest people.
But how do you see the actual removal of the Ayatollah?
How do you get them out of there?
Sure.
So I think the recent uprising and demonstration bears the fact that this regime is not popular at all.
That 95% of the Iranian people hate this regime.
That's a given fact.
Number two, I think Iranian people have shown the resilience to be able to topple this regime.
What has caused, unfortunately, harm to this movement is the policy of appeasement, mainly from the West.
Just let me give you an example.
Since 2020 to 2024, Iran was selling 1.6 to 2 million barrels of oil on a daily basis.
Well, there was a sanction before that that barred Iran from doing that.
We know who put that sanctions in place.
But when you close your eyes and let them sell oil against all the sanctions and international sanctions, where does the money go?
Money goes A, in support of terrorist organizations.
Just two months ago, if I'm not mistaken, Ayatollah Khomeini gave a billion-dollar donation to Hezbollah to regroup and rearm and do whatever they were doing.
We know who was the key behind October 7 planning attack by Hamas.
This is very clear.
We know who helped the Assad regime to stay in power despite huge, huge uprising.
Qasem Soleimani spent more than five, six billion dollars.
There are tapes of Qasem Soleimani talking to other commanders of IRG, the Revolutionary Corps and COTS Corps, about giving $5 billion cash that they had to the proxy forces.
Hashtag Shabi, who, by the way, Iran brought them recently, Ayatollah, the last few days, they brought them, they were participating in massacre and suppressing the protesters.
There are evidence of that, that Iraqis, Iraqi proxy forces, Hashtag Shabis and others, were in Iran killing Iranian people because they know how Iranian people resent the government.
So, point being: appeasement policy didn't work.
It helped the government of Iran, Ayatollah, to have access to funds.
And with those funds, they were A, helping the proxies to create all these terrorism activities in the region, be it from Houthis in Yemen, Hezbollah, Hamas, Syria, you name it.
B, be able to suppress the Iranian people.
Iranian economies in complete shambles.
You know, the Iranian, how did this whole thing started a few weeks ago, a couple of weeks ago?
Just a few weeks ago.
Yeah, yeah, a few weeks ago, the currency, Iranian currency, the exchange rate dropped.
I mean, before, you know, when Pezesky, the new president took over, the exchange rate to dollar was 57,000 two months to one.
It's not 146,000 two months to one.
I mean, the exchange rate.
How do you even calculate that?
I mean, 40% of Iranian people are living under the extreme poverty level, less than $2 income.
And it's potentially a rich country.
It's a very, very rich country.
It has the second highest natural gas reserves in the world, fourth oil, petroleum reserves in the world, and it's a very good petroleum.
And fifth overall in the entire world when it comes to natural resources.
But getting back to how we can overthrow this government, I think the West people should recognize the right of Iranian people for self-defense.
You know, people are dying in the streets demonstrating, peaceful demonstration.
But it comes to a time that we look at the Constitution of the United States, you look at the United Nations Charter, it allows Iranians or people that are brutalized, victimized, suppressed to pick up arms.
I 100% agree with Professor Gershovich that we don't need to have boots in the ground at all.
I think just recognizing the Iranian people's right and in my mind, the legitimate leadership of the movement, meaning NCRI, National Council position, and MEK.
MEK, NCRI is led by a very capable woman, Madame Rajavi, whom you said that you have met several times.
I think she's a very, very noble, knowledgeable, capable lady that can bring stability to Iran.
Do you feel, Professor, that she would be, and they would be, now they're, they're basically Persian, right?
They're Iranians, doesn't matter.
Group has everybody.
Do you feel that she would be fair to the other groups that are Iranian but not yes?
I do.
I mean, I do.
It seems to me that they have a mixture of people involved in that, particularly the NCRI.
Yes, true.
The founder of MEK was an Azerbaijani like I am.
Yes, of course.
There are many Kurdish Baluchis and other people in NCRI, as well as in MEK.
I'm sure, I don't know, you've been to Albania, to Ashraf, African-American.
I've been to Albania twice.
So I'm sure you have met them.
But if you look at the 10-point plan of Madame Rajavi, one of the points is the autonomy for the ethnic groups.
And that's very, very important that the different ethnic minorities in Iran, ethnic groups in Iran, should have the self-governance within, of course, Iranian country to have, you know, speak their language, exercise their rights for the local government and whatnot.
And that has been one of the 10 plans.
The other one is a non-nuclear Iran.
I think it's a very important thing.
Iran spent a trillion dollars at least.
The impact of pursuing atomic weapon by the regime has cost Iran an economy at a minimum a trillion dollar.
Some people say maybe three trillion dollars.
If you look at the gross national domestic product, gross GDP of Iran, gross domestic product of Iran, it hovers between 345 billion to about 400 billion.
So that means at the minimum, three to four years of everything that was created in Iran, every wealth had gone down the drain in this atomic weapon.
Iran doesn't need to have a nuclear weapon.
So one of the key items in the 10-point plan of Madame Rajavi is a non-nuclear Iran.
The other thing is market economy.
Let it be separation of religion and state.
Equality between everybody.
You don't have to be a Muslim or otherwise to be elected as a person.
There should be no distinction between if you're a Jew, Baha'i, Christian, atheist, Muslim, what difference does it make?
You are an Iranian.
So you have to enjoy the same right as every other Iranian, whether you court Baluch, doesn't matter.
And that's what in the 10-point plan of Madame Rajavi.
Then recognition of, as I said, open market, equality of men and women.
You know, in Iran nowadays, women cannot even be judges, right?
It's against the Islamic rule.
But there's no, I mean, that's why I think it's important to recognize that a woman, Madame Rajavi, has the leadership of the United States.
Symbolically, symbolically, that would be more than symbolic.
It would just blow everybody's mind.
Absolutely.
This just shows that if people, be it women or men, any religion, any ethnic minority, if they're given the chance, they can rise.
But from it, whether we like it or not, majority of Iranians are Muslims.
And then a woman in an Islamic country taking the leadership against the ayatollahs, that's something that is extremely, extremely important.
You're done right.
It would be the act alone would be revolutionary.
Absolutely.
Truly revolutionary.
And it's not that just she's a woman, but she's a very, very capable.
Yes.
And, you know, from the moment I dealt with her, I can tell you this is an extraordinary woman.
I mean, she's, she's a really good woman, too.
Yes, Mayor, it's not only you, former State Department Secretary of State, Mr. Pompel.
Oh, he says the same thing.
Yes.
I can speak for John McCain because I got introduced to them through John McCain.
Exactly.
You know, former vice president, Mr. Pence, has met.
Many other dignitaries, Ted Cruz, I know a lot of people that have met with Madame Rajavi, and they're all very impressed.
So what is important is recognizing the right of Iranian people for self-determination, recognizing for them for defending themselves.
That's all possibly that we need.
We don't need weapons.
We don't need boots in the ground.
None of that.
No military intervention.
I think Iranian people can handle and overthrow this government if we forego this policy of appeasement and sit fast.
So I think we have in this country, we have recognized that.
I think Europe is recognizing that.
This snap mechanism that was implemented by Western Europe to put more pressure on Iran and sanction on Iran is a good step forward.
But we need to go beyond that and recognize the true opposition and leadership of Iranian people and their right to defend themselves.
When they're being shot at the streets without any weapons, Iranian people have the right to bear arms and defend themselves.
The same way that there you are, you're back.
Yeah, I don't know what happened for one.
That's all right.
Well, tell me how, where were you born and how did you come to the United States?
And how much contact do you have back in Iran and the area you came from?
Just a teeny bit.
Yeah, sure.
I was born in a small town in western Azerbaijan.
It's called Hoi.
Then I moved to Tehran when I was five years old.
That was the capital city.
My dad was a my dad and uncle, but successful merchants, export, import and whatnot.
But then when I finished high school, I came to the United States to attend university.
I did my undergraduate at University of Southern California.
I'm not a Dodger fan, but now I live in San Diego.
I root for Padres.
I was listening to you.
So don't hold that against me.
We won't hold it against you.
Alan and I will not do any violence to you.
Don't worry.
We're non-violent.
I know, I know.
And then I did my master's at Stanford University in engineering systems.
And that's your area of expertise, economics.
Well, I was, then I did my PhD at USC in communication systems.
Oh.
So I'm more of a, I was more of a engineer, scientist, wireless communication.
You know, just one, one last point that I think people know this, but you need to be reminded.
The people who are the ex-patriots and then the ones I meet through MEK and even some of those unfortunately left behind, this is an enormously talented country.
Yes, Mayor.
You people are enormously talented.
Mayor, if I give you some stat, you'll be surprised.
I know it.
I mean, when I went to the new Ashraf, you know, I do this show and I was really worried.
How am I going to broadcast this show?
Well, you got to, they have a better studio there than NBC.
Now, pause.
I don't think they'd mind if I said this.
I mean, I've been on television in Iran about 150 times through their breaking the code and getting in.
I think right now it's a little bit harder.
Or when we would do the gatherings and speak, whether it was the big one in June or one of the small ones, they broadcast that right into Iran.
And the Ayatollah and the regime goes crazy.
So, Mayor, you bring a very good point.
And the reason behind all of that is that MEK, NCRI, these people are laser focused on bringing democracy and freedom to Iran.
So they have given up all every leisure, every thing that they could do and their freedom to fight for Iran.
But let me get you back, get back with you on the point.
There is, based on the 2020 census, I believe, there's one and a half million Iranians living in the United States.
Of those, one-third, about half a million, have degrees, master, PhD, or professional degrees, law, medicine, dentistry, et cetera.
It's amazing.
You know, Iranian.
Attribution, unbelievable.
Yeah.
So all that tells me, and it has for years, you know, dreaming about this, what a country it could be.
People had some of the basic, just basic freedom.
Absolutely.
Well, that's what we're working on.
Maybe we'll see it in our lifetime, huh?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Very soon.
You can send it.
Thank you.
And Mayor, I want to, you know, as a as a member of the Iranian community, and I really, really want to thank you for your efforts and assistance and help.
This has been an honor for me.
An honor is ours too, for sure.
I thank Madame Rajavi for including me in this.
I say it's one of the most important things I've done.
And being on the verge now of freedom.
You know, I worked for Ronald Reagan, and the greatest thing he did was to liberate Eastern Europe.
He made a lot of great things.
But I think of our American presidents, the great ones are the liberators, like Abraham Lincoln.
Yes.
The ones who take people out of bondage.
Well, I'd like to see my friend Donald Trump do that.
He's already done it, but on a big scale, if he does Iran and Venezuela.
Yeah, Iran, as we mentioned, if we bring freedom and democracy to Iran, the whole world will be at peace.
Yes.
I mean, the whole region, number one.
And then all the threats that they do.
You were in Paris in the meeting and they wanted to plant bombs and kill you and dignitaries and whatnot.
So you can recognize, you can understand this regime is a terrorist regime.
Yes.
That's the end of it.
And terrorist regime should not survive.
We should do everything we could to get rid of the terrorist regime in Iran.
Make sure I pronounce your last name correctly.
Tasuji.
Tasuji.
I got it.
Okay.
Awesome.
You deserve it.
Doctor.
Thank you.
You're a great man.
Thank you.
Thank you very much, Mayor.
And I want to thank you again on behalf of the Iranian people for your care and love of Iranian people and freedom.
Thank you very much, sir.
Thank you.
Well, that was a pretty impressive interview, huh?
So that is, that is, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to blow you away by telling you this.
That's typical of the Iranian community.
That guy.
Right, of course.
Obviously, not everyone, but what do you say, a third?
So I've dealt with a thousand of them.
These are some of the brightest people, smartest people, nicest people.
How they're under this, how they ended up under the miserable Pahvi family and then these Ayatollahs.
Well, I'll tell you how.
It's the connivance of the crooked side of Western civilization.
I mean, we did it.
We did it to them in the 20s by pulling out the old man who was, I don't know, some kind of mechanic or whatever the hell he was.
And we made him the king.
He was actually the best killer in the army.
That's why they picked him.
He killed the most people.
The shot.
Wow.
Then his son was actually too afraid to beat the shot.
So, I mean, I think they take him to a little room in the CIA and the Brits used to beat the shit out of him because they wanted to control the oil.
And he'd let them control the oil.
Meanwhile, being a little weakling coward, if you disagreed with him, he got the SAVAC to torture you.
And he was trying to basically, I wouldn't say genocide.
He was trying to do what the communists do.
He was trying to remove the culture of these people.
That's a Marxist idea.
That's why they tear down statues and make fun of our heroes.
And it's not an accident.
It's not some recognition of history.
It comes right out of Karl Marx, both the Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital.
And Engels wrote a whole little monograph on it.
You got to get rid of a nation's history in order to control it.
So they wanted to get rid of the history of the Azeris and the Kurds and the Lures and the Arabs and the Balushis.
Because that would remind the Persians of their history, which is a hell of a history.
So there's a lot going on here.
I just want to show you.
I want to show you how this works in Iran, what we're talking about, so it sticks in your head.
And then we'll sign off until tomorrow.
So let's look at a map.
You know, I love maps.
And they don't teach geography anymore.
So we have to do things like this.
I mean, my goodness.
If you taught geography, you wouldn't be able to memorize the 57 genders, right?
Like, you know, one of them is cat.
Yes, they have actual litter boxes in some public schools for children who think they're cats.
Would be far better for those kids to get treated for what appears to be paranoid schizophrenia.
You know, if I think I'm George Washington, you actually are going to humor me.
Okay.
Well, if you think you're a cat, it might even be worse than thinking you're George Washington.
So there, there you see.
Oh, I got to get my pen going.
I love to do this.
Here we go.
Here's my pen.
Well, there was my pen.
I got to remove that one.
Now I can do it.
No, I can't do it.
Well, it's not going to work, Ted.
The pen's not going to work.
My pen's not going to work.
Let me see.
Do you have others?
That one worked.
That one worked.
Okay, well, at least I can point with it.
Okay.
So there's Iran.
See, right there.
Yeah.
And let's see.
I mean, they have quite a few countries that they affect, right?
There's Pakistan down there.
There's Afghanistan.
There's Turkmenistan.
There's the Caspian Sea.
What he was discussing, Azerbaijan right up there, right?
Armenia coming in for a little bit of it.
Now, notice that Azerbaijan has a little piece of Azerbaijan as part of Armenia.
This is a whole separate Muslim-Christian war that's been going on for a thousand years right in here that Trump settled.
He's got these two guys that act like they're best friends now.
They spent 30 years killing each other.
You have to listen to their interview.
We'll go get it for you.
And then, of course, there's the big country is Turkey.
And under Erdogan, who everybody in Europe kind of likes and whatever, I think Erdogan is a criminal, a dictator, a murderer.
He's a bigger threat than a Muslim and a Muslim nutjob.
He's going to be a bigger threat than Iran.
He has the better army.
He's the one that we have to watch for in the future.
Okay, but there's opposition to him in Turkey already.
I mean, substantial opposition.
He's sitting on top of it.
He's not going to get like a 20-year run like the Ayatollah's got of no opposition.
He's got pretty stronghold over the country, but not completely.
And then, of course, here's Iraq, which under Biden, they almost totally ended up controlling.
And then poor little Kuwait right here.
And the country they torture, there's Bahrain right here.
It's actually out in the ocean.
See Bahrain right there where my little red thing is?
And you see Iran here?
Approximately once a month, they come across, they go into a little Bahrain and they kill policemen just for the hell of it, because they say Bahrain belongs to them.
It shouldn't be independent and it shouldn't be allied with Saudi Arabia.
I don't know why they say that since basically the people in Bahrain are all Saudi.
Although they do, I guess they do have a slightly larger percentage of Shiite than some of the others.
So now we talk about Qatar and how Qatar plays two sides against the middle.
As the professor pointed out, there's Qatar.
So you can see where they are, right?
Right.
That's pretty dangerous.
However, the Emirates, which are down here in Dubai, they are very, very, very dedicated opponents of Iran, maybe the most.
Saudi Arabia probably is, it's probably just afraid to get too far out front.
But Saudi Arabia was on its way to thinking of developing nuclear weapons, if Iran did.
But I have to say the one that I think, personally, I think is the most in its gut anti-regime is the Emirates, which means Dubai, Abu Dhabi, right here.
And then you get to Yemen.
This, of course, was a client state of Iran.
And just think of what Iran controlled before Bibi and Trump got a hold of them.
They probably controlled, at one time they controlled 80% of Iraq.
That probably was down to about 60% of Iraq.
They controlled Syria without any doubt.
They controlled everything in here except Jordan because this was Hezbollah right here, right on the Israeli border right here.
They had all of that.
Then they had Oman, not, Oman, Oman was a barrier between them and Yemen.
And then of course, strongly allied with Turkey.
So now you have, I don't know, you've got the beginnings of an Islamic kingdom, right?
Of what Muhammad told them to do.
This is what Muhammad wanted them to do.
So the Iranians would say, we're just following the Quran.
We're just following the book that Zoran Mandami swore an oath of office on, a book that says you shouldn't be friends with Christians and Jews, a book that says you should kill them.
And if you can get money out of them, as long as they're willing to submit, you can let them live, but you don't have to.
It really depends on whether you need money.
So what did the, what, by the time Muhammad died, what did he leave behind?
He left behind an organized crime group and a terrorist group, not a religion, which is why I'm not sure that the Muslim religion as presently constituted with the Quran that they have really fits as an institution that should have the protection of a religion under our constitution.
I don't know.
I don't see in the Bible or some of the other places, even the Book of Mormon or whatever, I don't see, you know, go kill Christians and Jews.
And they're going to say, well, it doesn't, it says other places that you should love Christians and Jews.
We're going to do a whole podcast on this.
You've got to understand the principles of interpretation of the Quran.
They have a concept in interpretation called abrogation.
Abrogation means since Muhammad said rather contradictory things, it's the last thing that he said that controls.
But if you read the Quran, you can't find the last thing that he said unless you have the secret formula.
You can't find it because they organized the Quran with the longest chapter first.
Well, not really.
The shortest chapter is first.
It's the prayer they say every day.
And then you go into the longest chapter.
And then it's the longest chapter, longest, less long, So a lot of the chapters from the last part of his life are at the beginning because he tended to write more toward the end.
It's toward the end when he became a monster.
When he started, he was an itinerant preacher.
He tried to convert the Christians and the Jews, which is why his early writings were rather conciliatory about both.
He came up with some bastardized version of the Bible.
A lot of his facts wrong.
We don't know who gave it unless you want to believe that Angel Gabriel gave it to him.
If it's the angel Gabriel, he sure never went to angel school because it's written like a it does not have the beauty, let's say it doesn't have the beautiful poetry of the Psalms and the Proverbs.
And it isn't exactly Paul's letter to Thessalonians.
It's any number of degrees more infantile.
But in any event, if you reorder the Quran, as they have for themselves, and I have that book inside, it's quite clear that in the last half of Muhammad's life, he became a mass murderer, a general, a warrior, a pedophile, anything but a religious leader.
That's what Iran is trying to, that's what Iran is executing on.
So now if you want to see where the, how the country is divided, this is sort of a quick look at the, I think the other map is a better one.
This one right here.
Ah, yes.
This one here.
This is an idea of the ethnic groups.
So the Persian group, you see 48.2% right up there.
48.2%.
I don't know.
I'm going to keep this going.
Oh, I got to turn that camera off every time we do this.
It's too bright.
There's the Persian.
You see the Persian group on the top there?
Yep.
48.2%?
Okay, so that's most of the country.
It's not a 50% group.
Then the two major minority groups are the Azeri.
That's the one in red.
And you can see they're up in the north, the northwest corridor of Iran.
And that borders on, as you would imagine, Azerbaijan.
And the second largest group are the Kurds.
That's 10%.
And they border on the Kurdish area of Iraq, which happens to be oil-rich, by the way.
Both.
The Azeris and the Kurds are in a rather blessed area of Iran, meaning rich.
The Arab population you see is rather small, 2.7.
The Turkmen, 1.6.
The only other appreciable group are the Luur at 6.7 that are down here in the South.
But the two main groups that really speak for the others are the group, the professor comes from the Azeri, and of course the Kurd.
And it isn't just the 10% of Kurds that are in Iran.
It's the fact that the Kurds are, when you put them all together, because they're in about five different countries, are a very substantial group of people.
And they tend to be pretty wealthy because the Kurds are very smart.
And the land they've taken in these countries, like in Iraq, it's the most oil-productive country in Iraq, which is why the government has to make deals with them all the time.
The Kurds have been and are very pro-American, very, very anti-regime and very anti-Shah, as are the Azeris.
So you would have a real problem holding them in if the Shah to take much more of a role, which may be the reason, as I thought the professor was suggesting, that the regime may be doing some of the pushing of the Shah as a way of quieting this all down.
So as you can see, this is a rather complicated picture, but they are all this, all that, the good thing about this is, whereas before the Shah and the Ayatollah, these groups had a very hard time coming together in exile, have come very close together.
The meetings that I'm at, it's called the National Council for the Resist of Resistance to the Iranian Empire.
And they're representatives of all this group.
I had always thought the Balushi were larger because we have a lot of representatives of the Balushi, the 2.3%.
Seems like they're a small group, but they have a very large track of territory down there in the southern, in the southeastern part of Iran.
So we'll have to see how it all works out.
So, Ted, let's see.
Anything else we've got to let them know about for sure that's being kept from them?
I'm looking over here on my board.
Pretty jam-packed show.
There seems to be a little bit of a division between the United States and Israel about Gaza.
The administration seems to think we're going to move on to phase two, but we're skipping one part of phase one, which you can't skip, and that is disarming the Hamas.
Now, I do think that Bibi is like not paying much attention to it because he figures if I don't disarm him, I'll kill him, which is what he's doing.
Mandami and Trump have already split pretty strongly.
Trump says, you remain a sanctuary city.
We're going to cut off every penny we can.
And Mamdani says, you know, he's going to sue if you do that.
Well, good luck.
The Ukraine, for the longest time, Lindsey Graham and a group of senators that call themselves bipartisan said that if the president supported their bill on these extra sanctions on Russia, that'd do the trick.
It now turns out the president supports it, and Lindsay's not sure he can get it through.
What do you think that's all about, Ted?
Lindsay spending too much time partying or?
No, no, I think.
Yeah, you know what?
With Lindsey Graham, it's just, you know.
I love Lindsay.
He's fine.
Yeah, you know him personally.
I don't know the guy.
I don't know if I want him to be dealing with something as serious as that.
Right.
I just think, look, yeah, he's nice to play golf with.
Seems like a nice guy.
The president likes him.
I want to trust him.
I got my point.
Greenland.
So we had the, I mean, it's really amazing.
The prime minister of Greenland, and it's Inuit, not Intuit.
I pronounced it incorrectly last night.
It's I-N-U-I-T.
They make up 90% of the population of Greenland.
The Danes make up 8% or 9%.
Inuit.
Inuit.
Inuit?
Okay.
But the spelling is I-N-U-I-T.
I thought it was I-N-T-U.
You were thinking the company into it.
Yeah.
I get whatever I was thinking.
You're not.
I was spelling it wrong.
It's Inuit.
Inuit.
Okay.
Inuit.
So they're 90 to 94% of the population.
That prime minister ain't no Inuit.
You had a Danish guy telling us that.
He's got a Danish accent, not an Inuit accent.
Let's get that off if I can.
That's a colonial occupation.
Where are all the anti-colonialists that they want to take?
Everybody's against Trump taking it.
Where are all the anti-colonialists?
Yeah, right.
That is fun.
All of a sudden, the anti-colonialists disappear.
It's okay for Denmark to be a colonial power.
Now, we're going to play out for you tomorrow night because we don't have the time to do it now.
How the Danish people subjected the Inuit women to being sterilized without their consent so that their population wouldn't get to be so great.
It was hidden.
It was only discovered recently.
And they're still trying to work out the numbers of what the Danes did to them.
So let's not paint this picture of, you know, it's been so rosy.
But then let's get practical.
Even the minister, the prime minister, the Danish overlord of the Inuits said that, well, Trump has a point that we really can't defend them.
But we're going to fight them if they.
And we're going to get NATO.
Well, now wait a second.
NATO doesn't exist to make Denmark a colonial power.
NATO exists to defend us.
And if you're not capable of defending it, in the interest of NATO, shouldn't you ask us to take it and make it defensible?
Is there anybody else that really can?
I mean, let's be serious.
That place should be a fortress so that within a thousand miles of that place, anything trying to go over the Arctic Circle is going to be taken out by Alaska or by Greenland.
And you ain't going to get to Europe and you ain't going to get to the U.S. You ain't going to get to Canada.
And as the president said, it quite obviously is critical to having an effective golden dome.
We can't have a fifth-rate military power being the cog in the wheel of the Golden Dome.
And in some way, we have to be able to control it for the protection of Europe and the United States and Canada and South America.
This isn't a mission of we want to acquire great wealth.
Right now, it's a losing proposition, big time.
The Danes lose money on it.
It's a question of pride for them, not money.
Now, it is true that if you could create tremendous investment, the potential with regard to something we need very badly, which is rare earth and minerals is there, but it's going to take quite a bit of investment because it's not going to be easy mining.
They call it Greenland, but it really is Iceland.
And Iceland is Greenland, meaning it's filled with ice almost all year.
And the areas in particular, where what we want is located, you're going to have to crack through the ice.
And so it's going to need a really substantial amount of investment.
And that's going to much more likely happen under the protection of the United States than under the protection of a country that can't protect itself and admits that it can't protect Greenland.
So I know a lot of Americans are against it and they think of it as imperialism.
And would you please kind of focus on the national security of your country?
And you'd realize why Trump is so adamant about it.
I don't think there's any great glory in having Greenland.
It'd be wonderful for the Inuit people to be somebody to finally take care of them.
And it's like, again, like you said, Mayor, these anti-colonialists, I mean, this is a white man, right?
This is a white Danish man getting up there on stage and talking on behalf of the people of Greenland.
And you don't hear a peep at anybody over here, except, you know, you hear the regular Trump critics.
All against Trump doing this.
You know, Trump this, Trump that.
I would imagine if this were an idea by some communist Democrat, everybody would be in favor.
If Obama would get four piece prizes, Obama would give it, Obama would give it to China.
Right.
And Biden would pack it in with the airbase.
Oh, yeah.
The idea of these leaders actually doing anything for America, right?
That's the first part.
And if we don't grab it, Russia is going to grab it.
No question about it.
Well.
Or China.
China.
China.
I love how he says it.
China.
And you know the media.
I'm very friendly with Xi Jinming of China.
China.
China.
How he does.
It's amazing.
Well, we'll be back tomorrow night.
We'll see where we're going here.
Everything's going to change by tomorrow.
Oh, my goodness.
Don't let me tell you what.
I don't know.
This week, haven't we planned to talk about one thing?
Like after tonight, we'll start thinking of tomorrow.
And then by the next day, it's like...
Here's one of the things I want to talk about.
And that is they want to impeach Christy Noam.
I'm going nuts about that.
This is ridiculous.
I think the people who want to impeach her should be impeached because it is a total bastardization of the whole idea of impeachment.
Christy Noam has done nothing wrong.
She's enforced a law effectively as against an absolute traitor who had that job, who helped to destroy this country.
And she didn't take, there's no allegation she took any money, she did anything wrong.
This is purely, purely spiteful impeachment.
And it's being done for political reasons to try to soil the reputation of a cabinet member who has had an impeccable record.
I mean, although she's not the only one, there's Holman and of course the president.
But to go down to no illegals coming in after the rape of Biden is unreal.
And what she's trying to do with ICE is to get predators out of our country.
Unknown millions of predators out of our country and trying to impeach her.
I mean, you're not going to do it, but isn't she busy enough trying to protect the lives of the people you're trying to get killed, the people of ICE?
God, this party is the depths of the evil of this political party.
I don't know.
So we're going to have to do a thing on her accomplishments because somebody should stand up and really, really defend her.
And I also want to go through an analysis how it is quite obvious now that China is going that way and we are going that way.
And there was one article in the Wall Street Journal worth noting, which is, we are once again, really the only superpower in the world.
Trying to read him close.
Well, thank God, but let's make sure and let's not take it for granted.
And let's pray for the people of Israel and let's pray for the people of Iran and let's pray for the people of the Ukraine and the people of Venezuela.
Boy, we got a lot of people to pray for.
Also pray for us and mostly for our president who's all guiding us in the right direction because you're helping him.
We know that and you saved him.
We know that.
So that's why we're thankful.
God bless America.
It's our purpose to bring to bear the principle of common sense and rational discussion to the issues of our day.
America was created at a time of great turmoil, tremendous disagreements, anger, hatred.
There was a book written in 1776 that guided much of the discipline of thinking that brought to us the discovery of our freedoms, of our God-given freedoms.
It was Thomas Paine's Common Sense, written in 1776, one of the first American bestsellers, in which Thomas Paine explained, by rational principles, the reason why these small colonies felt the necessity to separate from the kingdom of Great Britain and the King of England.
He explained their inherent desire for liberty, for freedom, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, the ability to select the people who govern them.
And he explained it in ways that were understandable to all the people, not just the elite.
Because the desire for freedom is universal.
The desire for freedom adheres in the human mind and it is part of the human soul.
This is exactly the time we should consult our history.
Look at what we've done in the past and see if we can't use it to help us now.
We understand that our founders created the greatest country in the history of the world.
The greatest democracy, the freest country, a country that has taken more people out of poverty than any country ever.
All of us are so fortunate to be Americans.
But a great deal of the reason for America's constant ability to self-improve is because we're able to reason, we're able to talk, we're able to analyze.
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