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Dec. 23, 2025 - Rudy Giuliani
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America's Mayor Live (826): Georgia Officials Now Admit 315K Votes in 2020 Were Improperly Counted

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Good evening.
This is Rudy Giuliani, and this is America's Mayor Live.
And we're coming to you from Palm Beach, although we're giving you the impression that we're coming to you from New York City, I guess.
A very snowy New York City, a very snowy New York City, which they are praying for and have about a less than 50-50 chance of getting, but they do have a chance of getting it because there's a storm system that's starting, if it hasn't started already, south, moving north, that's going to get colder and colder and colder as it moves and turn from rain to sleet to ice rain to snow.
Now, that may be further north than New York.
It could hit Boston pretty hard.
We'll see.
So there are going to be children in the West and in the Northeast that do get a white Christmas, which is very, very nice for them and very, very difficult, very, very difficult for the drivers.
Well, finally, they released Epstein files, right?
Epstein files have now been released.
Tell me what we figured out from it.
Well, I would say a big thing we figured out is just how much time Bill Clinton spent with Mr. Epstein.
I mean, you know, there's a guy who used to tell us, well, I barely knew him.
You know, well, I might have been on a couple flights with him.
I never kissed that man, girl.
Yeah.
Right.
Now we see this guy's in all sorts of photos with Mr. Epstein.
We see that, look, a lot of this had already been.
Was he in a pool or jacuzzi with the girl?
And we can't tell if she's of age or not.
Right.
We can't say that.
But although, although they, although the report was that all the pictures of Clinton were with appropriately girls who were appropriately aged.
Who said that?
Whoever reviewed them.
And someone else said that is not true of Epstein.
The front page of the post today, they have the young ladies' faces blocked out, claims to be pictures that he has in compromising position with seriously underage girls.
With kids.
It is.
And I know the photos you're talking about.
Yeah, they've been redacted, but it is, it is.
One thing that this additional dump has, you know, confirmed is just what a creep this Epstein guy was.
Some of the photos, and again, they're redacted.
Portions of the photos are redacted, but even what you can see, it's just, it's awful.
And it does appear, Mayor, that there was a group of people at best to just turn another cheek to this kind of behavior, right?
I mean, at best.
I mean, is there anyone, anyone that was really friendly with it?
Wasn't a Democrat?
And that's the other thing.
And Democrats now claim, look, we all care about the victims.
We've said that on this show.
Well, then why did they withhold it all during the Biden years?
And then Democrats now claim to care.
And they only started caring this year with Trump in office.
Where were they for the four years of the Biden administration?
Some of us have been consistent.
This guy cover it up.
That's what they were doing.
It took their hatred for Trump to get him to care about these victims.
Right.
If that's the genius of the Trump strategy here, I'm all about it.
And here's the other thing.
And the mayor, you're longtime friends with the president.
But I've gotten to see him and know him a little bit these last few years.
And it's obvious this is not the type of guy that would just let this sort of behavior happen around him with him just standing by and not doing it.
No, no, no.
He's obviously a person who did throw him out over less than that.
Over less than that.
And maybe at the time he's like, this guy's, you know, he's got good judgment.
He knows people.
He's harassing adult women.
Adult women, right?
And so the president seemed to know before anyone that this guy is a creep.
He didn't want him anywhere around, threw him out of the club.
Anyone that has spent any time with President Trump, it's hard not to just know this is the type of man.
He's a man.
He's throwing him out of this club.
He's out of both clubs.
He wouldn't tolerate this sort of behavior from a member, from a friend, from anyone around him being this inappropriate with kids.
You know, they like to say underage girls and that.
Let's just call it what it is.
These are kids.
And President Trump is not the type of guy that would let this happen.
The first of it is you have names revealed, but you don't have facts with those names.
Right.
So what do you make of those?
I mean, some, I mean, what we make of them is some are innocent, some are guilty, but how do we that's right, man.
And look, a good number of these folks are likely innocent, right?
I mean, this is someone who found his way into, you know, the top circles of government, finance, business.
And so there's a good chance a lot of folks came across him, right?
At events, met him.
And, you know, if you're someone famous or something, you get a picture with him.
He gets a picture with you.
And so I agree with you.
You do want to be careful not to implicate anyone wrongfully.
I do think people are sophisticated enough on this story, especially with all the coverage it's gotten to make that to make those sorts of to separate those things.
However, people with ulterior motives, you know, the media, they tend to tend to muddy the waters, right?
Especially when it comes to President Trump and if they were able to find some Republicans in there.
Unfortunately for the news media and the Democrats, it's not a good idea.
They can always find Republicans.
Republicans can't agree 100% on anything.
That's true.
Well, Thomas Massey, right?
Again, what is he doing?
Thomas Massey, this guy, just like the Democrats, all of a sudden he cares about the victims.
All of a sudden, he cares about, you know, getting to the bottom of this.
Where the hell were you for the last four years?
And so it's hard to take it seriously.
And it's very sad what Democrats have done because maybe there was a chance for us to get some real justice here.
And the Democrats have chosen to make it all political.
They've stuck with it.
Right.
In the right way.
Right.
And so the Democrats are to blame for politicizing what is a very sick, sick, and sordid story.
And they've permanently, permanently, I believe, damaged, well, it's not a case, but they've damaged any chance at getting to the bottom of this matter.
Very shortly, we're going to celebrate the birth of God.
Three days.
Wow.
There's our picture right over there.
Check that out, White.
Wow, look at that.
Oh, I'm pointing the wrong way.
No, you're pointing the right way.
That's it.
There's the birth of Jesus.
Look at that.
It's like an aerial shot.
Now, part of what this reflects, of course, is the importance of humanity and the preeminence of God.
There are several writers that wrote into the New York Post today saying that there's a certain governor in America that thinks she's God because she's approved assisted suicide.
And that's Governor Hokul.
Well, one might also mention the fact that she approved seven, eight, nine-month-old pregnancies, which requires the smashing of the skull of the baby.
So Merry Christmas, everybody.
Yeah, Merry Christmas to God Hokul.
Human life is not in your hands, and thank God because you're so stupid.
Mamdani is starting to get ready for his administration, and these signs are ominous.
He has yet to have a meeting with any of the representatives of the charter schools.
The charter schools are the only schools in his public school system that are performing at or about grade level.
But there is a cap on them.
You could only have a certain number.
And the teachers' union does not allow for expansion of it.
It would be in the best interest of the people of the city if they were expanded, and the best interest of the poor people of the people of the city.
But the teachers' union opposes it.
So our socialist communist mayor is scared of the teachers union.
You know why?
Because it's got a lot of money and because it's a communist union.
That's why these schools are outperforming the public schools massively on the same tests in the same neighborhoods with the same children, same type of children.
And the decent parents in the neighborhood have big long lists for charter schools, but they can't get in because the state is not allowed to build anymore.
Because when the teachers originally allowed it, they put a cap on it.
Only so many.
So they don't have competition.
So they can take their long vacations and what amounts to two months off altogether with it.
We start putting in their free periods and rest periods.
One would actually think they're working hard.
Oh, yes, there are some very heroic teachers and they're very good, but they are mostly in charter schools, private schools, and parochial schools.
And the ones in public schools are getting worn out because they're not being especially rewarded for that.
They voted that down.
So on education, his team of advisors have constantly been against charter schools, constantly in for government schools, government indoctrination starting at two years old.
So that's going to start September.
September is the next school year that he would have complete control over.
Whether he can make changes mid-year, I don't know.
I don't think so, not material, really material changes.
So maybe he'll change his mind by then.
I don't think he's allowed to change his mind because I think the SDA will stop him from doing it.
He's got a communist group sitting right on top of him that can stop him from doing anything.
And so far, they've been very, very successful when he's had to backtrack.
So charter schools, which is one of the best things we found to bridge this gap, is not going to work for them.
That's all.
Just not going to work.
Now, his team on education has absolutely nothing to do with anything.
And his team in general is absurd.
I'll give you some of the names.
One is a named Julie Sue.
She's a pro-union progressive who allowed billions in fraud when overseeing the California unemployment benefits and couldn't win Senate approval to serve as President Joe Biden's labor secretary.
She's one of the one on the list for education.
Anthony Almonte Da Costa was seeking to be uh in charge of it and he he had to withdrew because of his Anti-semitic record and anti-police tweets.
Right, so that's good.
Stephen Banks who he wants, I guess, to be the Chat Chan, the chancellor, I guess, who's a social justice attorney, has been a consistent uh advocate of Anomalous Czar to double spending to address homelessness um, which means we'll double the number of homelessness, double the number of people who are homeless.
He's.
They're keeping on all of the Deblasio lefties and left-wingers.
They're getting rid of people like Randy Mastro, who knows what he's doing.
So this is going to be Adams taking completely left enthusiastically, without Adams around to put some kind of break on it.
So it's terrible.
Now we do have a chance in the state.
But how badly was it hurt ted when Stefanik stepped down?
How much did it say it again, how much is your chances of taking the state hurt by Stefanik stepping down, since we have a very good candidate to come into her place?
I think yeah, I think that getting that down to a one, one major candidate here now, Bruce Blakeman uh allows uh Bruce to, you know, ship kind of focus on a general election uh matchup against who is considered maybe one of the weakest UH candidate.
You know incumbents of the cycle.
So Blakeman can now focus on raising his name id outside of his home county, right in his home area, and it allows, instead of having which would have been a very expensive, drawn out uh primary fight between two very competent candidates that president Trump himself has said uh are two good, good candidates.
I know you've spoken highly of both individuals at different times, mayor.
Right, they're both excellent.
They both are excellent candidates and it would have been hard to choose between the two of them.
Right, and I think uh uh, mr Blakeman's in a good good, as good a chance as any, has a good a shot as anybody.
Excellent, it's a tough cycle.
Right, it's going to be a tough cycle and he's had an excellent background as um, as a um executive and an administrator.
Right, and we're going to try to get let's see if that can work.
We want to get you on, Bruce if uh, you see this and we'll reach out to your team and and keep trying here.
So that'll be interesting.
But yeah shock mayor uh, with Stefanic getting out of the race and of course a lot of folks are are surmising that she did so because she wasn't able to get the Trump endorsement.
Um, you know she says she wants to spend more time, she has some young kids, so she wants to be a mom, but it is gonna let him battle it out.
Trump was gonna let him battle it out and I think she was banking on his uh support in the primary.
Again, she's been one of his staunchest supporters in Congress.
But the president and you know this better than I do apparently has been longtime friends with Bruce Blakeman, even before he was president, and the family and you know president Trump uh he, he can be very loyal to his friends right, and in this case well, he had two friends.
He had two friends in the race and uh surprised us because so many of us have have an affinity uh for Stefanic.
Right, she's been, she's been fighting against.
The movement loves her.
She has been.
But I and mayor, we right right right, when we heard Blakeman was considering I wasn't, we weren't shocked.
We even talked about the fact that Blakeman would have a shot in some places that maybe Stefanik wouldn't be as strong because Elise has kind of made, you know, gone all in with President Trump.
Not that Blakeman's not all in with President Trump, but he might be seen, you know, being an executive, a county executive, you can kind of be judged a little bit differently, right, than members of Congress, right?
Where I feel like they're more judged on the part of the party.
You have executive responsibility and you're still fine for more things.
You're used to being held accountable, which a Congressman never for practical things, right, happening in the county.
Exactly.
And the mayor, you know, this as the most successful mayor in the history of the country.
No, I'm going to sound like President Trump here, the history of the world.
But look, we laugh, but he's definitely in the running for that title.
So you understand how different it is, right?
A race, or even how people perceive you as a mayor, as a county executive, as opposed to Congress, you know, U.S. Senate, where more of these grand ideas and partisan partisan ideologies more outplay, maybe.
Mitt Romney thinks the taxes should be raised on rich people.
And he says he feels that way because he's rich and his taxes should be raised.
Mitt, why don't you just donate more to the federal government?
That's what the New York Bow said.
Oh, I beat him to it.
Okay, Mitt, back it up with your money.
Put in a check for a couple hundred grand, huh?
Well, a couple hundred grand.
Jeez, a couple.
I don't know how much he would pay.
And back pay it too, Mitt.
Let's figure out two million a year.
Yeah.
But going back when you weren't an Ethiop when you were raising all those kids.
Yeah, when you're making all that money.
When you had dispensing companies in order to make the money.
Bane Capital.
Villain from Batman.
They couldn't pick a better name for Bane Capital.
Is that really the name of it?
Bane Capital?
Yes.
That is one of the main villains in Batman, the movie.
He named his company Bane Capital.
And he knew he was going to run for president when he named that.
I don't understand.
You know Mitt real well.
He was an opponent of that.
I don't know him real well, but I do know him.
Yeah.
You campaigned with him.
I did.
I campaigned.
Let's put it that way.
Elon is becoming close to the richest man in the world.
That was a tough situation.
He had himself in, right?
He got himself out of it beautifully, right?
Oh, that's right.
He probably lost some money when he supported Trump.
He's not the only one.
Well, they tried.
The activist investors tried to short Tesla, and a lot of believers, myself included, decided to, you know, call their bluff.
And we bet on Tesla.
And it's now, it's had like a four hundred percent increase since the short sellers wanted to take it down.
So he's had a good run.
Well, Fulton County, Georgia.
315,000 ballots that weren't authorized, that nobody knows where they came from in Fulton County.
If it voted at all, similar to everybody else in Fulton County, which was 65% for, well, it would be, it would have, it was about separation of 11%, right, Ted?
Yes.
So it wasn't, it was like, I don't know if they hit 50.
It was like 49.7 to 48 point something.
And here we have 315,000 votes that were not tabulated.
They were illegally certified.
They were tabulated.
Right.
they were excluded from the final votes.
So I don't know.
I don't know where this is going to go.
But the fact is that Fulton County has screwed up this election in so many different ways that they're going to have to pay damages on this.
Because this lawsuit they knew was a phony lawsuit from the very beginning.
Look at the horrible illegal arrangements they made to do it with her boyfriend and taking money so she can make money on it.
Going off on these vacations in the middle of this important case with the money that she was sucking out of the phony manipulation of the federal criminal assistance act.
So there's a lot here.
And the thing that drives me crazy is it didn't take so long for them to indict Trump and everyone.
Yeah, Eastman, Mark Meadows, a lot of people you don't know.
Our electors and Michigan.
This has been going on now with her for two and a half years.
Honestly, I feel like if we're going to do an in-depth deep dive podcast, I would think that this would be a topic worth exploring for sure.
If you would be willing to sit down, I'd be willing to.
Yeah, I mean, she has been getting away with this.
Now, she's the sitting DA deciding who to prosecute.
And she brought this case based on a statement she knew was, I think she knew had serious questions about it, unless Rapsenberger didn't tell her.
May not have even given her all the tapes.
We have.
That's another candidate.
I hope we get a chance to vindicate that because we have a chance of getting 12 minutes of tapes on that morning.
Oh, my gosh.
And to think what everyone lived through.
All right.
Well, Mayor, we have a very special guest joining the show.
We want to make sure he's ready to go here.
That's what I was waiting for.
Mr. Ticton, Peter Ticton is on the show.
Can you hear us, sir?
We got to wait here.
We have to refresh that.
And if we could readjust the camera a little, I'll be able to see him better, Ted.
Yeah.
We'll work on that.
He's moving that TV up.
Where's he coming to us from?
We're going to wait on this.
We're a few minutes early.
He's coming on at 8.30 here, but we need him to refresh his screen.
So I'm going to try to communicate with his team here.
Well, let's try and refresh his screen as we take a break.
Yeah, we'll take a break while he does that.
That's a good idea.
So we'll be right back.
So we'll be right back.
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We have with us Peter.
Peter Ticknett is on the phone by video.
Peter, can you hear us?
So we got him, but I don't think he can hear you.
So we'll keep trying here.
He's got an interesting connection.
Is he in a car?
Get a mermaid's phone number.
It looks like a car.
We'll keep trying.
We'll keep trying to get guy to get him.
Could be the snow, Ted.
Yeah, we're coming from, right?
Right, what do you think?
You think it's the snow?
I think it might be.
We're going to try to get him back on here.
In the meantime, Mayor, what was your reaction when you first heard that over 315,000 votes in Fulton County laughed the required poll signatures, poll worker signature necessary?
Well, 315,000 votes were pulled out of Fulton County because they were illegal, as they should have been.
Trump would have won the election by about 40,000 votes, maybe 50,000 votes.
So I really do expect now that the people that attack me over Georgia will come and kiss my feet.
Nothing less is acceptable.
I told you that that was screwed up, and I am right.
It was screwed up.
I told you that he won that state.
And when the president said to the slimy Secretary of State, He can't find me 11,000 votes.
He's talking about a potential couple of hundred thousand here.
Remember, the votes in Fulton County were like three to one for him.
So if you just take those votes out, you deprive him of about, oh, gosh, about 145,000 votes, I think.
And then he goes under by, he loses by 135,000.
And Trump wins, George.
Now, you still have to win another state, but it isn't like there weren't the same problems elsewhere, which they very arrogantly dismiss as saying, even the Wall Street Journal and the Post arrogantly dismiss it as saying the president deceitfully said that the election was rigged, wrongfully suggested that the election was rigged.
They got to get that wrongfully out of there.
That's an opinion, boys, not a reality.
The reality is that you can now say with a certitude, even beyond a reasonable doubt, that Georgia, that Georgia voted for Trump.
Right.
And we have now with us, Mayor, our very special guest, a man that most of us, our audience definitely knows, the one and only Peter Ticton.
He's the founder of the Ticton Law Group, which I didn't, we didn't know this mayor, is based in Deerfield Beach, Florida.
Oh, really?
Right here.
That's not far from us in West Palm, although you couldn't tell by the mayor's background.
That's where we are.
Well, Peter, how are you?
Oh, just wonderful.
Good to see you again.
Good to see you.
Yeah, you are America's mayor.
I tell you, anybody who's watched you over the years, over the decades, you know, has to admire you, Rudy.
You're just an amazing lawyer.
Good man.
Thank you.
Thank you.
So tell us, what's going on?
Well, Tina Peters is out of solitary confinement.
They had only 15 days.
Tell them about the case.
This is the case under state law that they put under state law so they could unfairly prosecute her without, hopefully, from their point of view, consequence.
However, you've got a very good argument that the pardon power reaches her.
So could you explain that?
For an ordinary person, that'd be a little complicated.
Although I think on the merits, pretty much everyone is with her.
Well, I have to tell you, I just don't meet many people that aren't pulling for her.
The government in Colorado, though, I mean, they're in there because of the false election.
I mean, that's really what's been going on here.
And I don't want to miss this opportunity.
It's so important for the public to know that it isn't just a theory that the machines were corrupted and that they basically predict the outcome of the election.
You know, the fact of the matter is we can prove it now.
We have enough to show what these machines are capable of.
And that, you know, you hear that people put in, you know, different kinds of drives and so on, you know, into the computers or they hooked up wires to them.
Now we see that it's not even necessary.
They have phone chips in them and they actually phone out to a central place that tells them how to rig the votes.
It's just between the computers.
And we know that that was all happening, believe it or not, from Serbia.
So this is an international deal.
Wow.
And tell us exactly what Tina is.
Well, she's in jail now.
Tell us what she is.
She's in prison.
She's a political prisoner.
No doubt.
Okay.
I mean, and treated as one.
Okay.
I mean, you don't take somebody who is convicted of white-collar crimes, you know, albeit she's innocent of these.
But you don't take somebody who's convicted of white-collar crimes and put them into the one unit that holds the people that are the monsters, the murderers, the people that you need to keep people away from.
You know, fortunately, she's actually been able to get their respect.
So, you know, so hopefully she will be safe, but you never know, you know, what's going to happen in a dangerous place like that.
And, you know, so they take her and put her in the worst unit, but then they put her in a cell that was 21 square feet, 7 by 3.
And you got double that jail.
The jail she's in?
Yeah, in the prison she's in, they put her into a subsized cell.
She and her cellmate were in this cell that was 7 by 3.
Two people.
Two people.
Yeah, one has to be on the bed if the other one's standing.
Yeah.
But this is more than just not having space and being cramped.
It's also a sign to everybody else that's in the unit that these people are below them.
It's degrading to put somebody into a smaller cell.
So with all the things that I've been saying about it, they now have moved her to a larger cell.
So now she's in something that's five by seven.
These things are just too, I mean, which is also not originally a cell.
The first one was the place they kept the washing machine and dryer, and then they turned that into a cell.
And now she's in a place that was a storage room that they've turned into a cell.
Wow.
yeah you know this is what what what what prison is it uh La Vista in Pueblo, Colorado.
It sounds nice, doesn't it?
La Vista, you know, La Vieux.
It's a horrible thing to happen.
And her sentence is nine years, nine years.
But she did something very, very bad.
Okay.
You know what she did?
She had an expert come in, a fellow who was actually qualified and certified by Homeland Security to image computers, image hard drives of computers.
That's what he does.
Only this particular fellow couldn't use his name, his right name, because in recent cases, he brought down a cartel, one dealing with human trafficking.
So they're gunning for him, and he can't use his right name.
So because he used the wrong name, they found a way to charge her because, you know, for misrepresenting somebody's name.
Although, you know, technically, you're allowed to use any name you want as long as it's not for fraudulent purpose.
And it wasn't for a fraudulent purpose.
She wasn't able to testify, wasn't permitted to testify as to why she used a different name or anything else.
I mean, she didn't get to put on her defenses.
I mean, one of her big defenses, I mean, because what she did, the terrible act, was she imaged the hard drive of one of the Dominion machines that was hers.
She's the one that signed the contract as the clerk of making it.
She imaged it herself.
No, no, no.
She had this expert come in and image it.
She wouldn't have had an image of most people wouldn't have a clue is to add an image, a hard drive of a computer.
So she had it imaged.
And a few other clerks did the same thing.
They imaged their computers too.
But when push came to shove, they gave them up.
They gave up all the proof, all the evidence to others.
She refused to give it up.
So they decided to teach all the clerks in not just the state, all the clerks in the United States a lesson that if you don't do what they say and destroy the evidence.
See, what happened was there's a woman named Jenna Griswold.
Jenna Griswold is the Secretary of State.
She inserted herself into this whole process.
She didn't belong in the process.
The deal between Dominion Machines and Mesa County was a deal that was made by the clerk.
The Secretary of State had nothing to do with it.
But it was made by the clerk.
Okay, so the machines are Dominion machines.
Right.
Okay.
And the Dominion machines, once they were opened, what do you think is on the motherboard?
The motherboard had phone chips on it.
You know, like what's in your cell phone.
With those chips, people are able to access you.
They're able to call you.
Or you can call them.
So other computers can call this computer or this computer can call other computers and basically arrange to deal with what's going to happen.
The machines, you know, if we have the computers at work, if we have, you know, whether you call it Dominion or whatever you call it, Liberty, it doesn't make any difference what the name of them is.
They will cook the election.
They are capable of swaying many millions of votes.
And the way that it seems to work is that in the voter rolls, like in New York State, there's probably upwards, from what I'm told from an expert, is upwards of what we call modified duplicates.
And it could be upwards of 2 million of them.
Now, these are imaginary people.
Okay.
So let's say you were voting in Manhattan, and you're registered to vote in the borough of Manhattan.
Okay.
There might be two, there might be four, there could be six, eight, nine.
It doesn't make any difference.
Rudy Giulianis.
And each one of them, they're in the voter rolls, but they're in the archives.
So they're not readily apparent.
And so there could be, let's just say that there's four Rudy Giulianis.
Each one of them has your same driver's license number.
Right.
Your social security number, your home address, your telephone number, and your birth date may be altered a little bit, and the name may be altered a little bit.
And that, you know, your middle name may be an initial rather than the full name.
But other than that, all the information is exactly the same, except one thing for sure is different, and that's the voter identification number.
And you only go in and get it.
I get to vote twice.
No, you only vote once.
You don't even know the other ones are there.
Somebody else votes that.
Well, you could say somebody else if you want to say a machine is somebody else.
Well, you mean somebody, the party, the party votes it.
Whoever's in control of the machine votes.
Whoever's in control of the computers in Serbia was in charge of the 2002 election.
So they set up a formula.
They set up a formula like it's done in the other cases.
Yeah, except that it's almost unlimited.
Why do you think Biden had 81 million votes?
He didn't.
Okay.
Right.
Yeah, we don't possibly man in the basement.
I mean, it's so.
We just saw 300.
We just saw 305 go away yesterday, but that's right.
So there's a picture of Tina Peters, of course.
What was she prosecuted for?
She was prosecuting for making the copy of the machine, making a copy of the hard drive.
Okay, she made a copy.
What she had to do pursuant to federal law.
It violates federal law to do that.
You're saying it violates federal law.
Okay, so this woman, Kathy, I mean, Jenna Griswold, okay, who's now the Secretary of State of the state of Colorado?
There's 64 counties in Colorado.
62 of them were Dominion machines.
Kathy Griswold personally oversaw that in every single county, they went in and they did something called a trusted build.
Now, a trusted build is a term of art.
What it means is that you have a program that you insert into your computer that upgrades a program without destroying any of the data.
Okay, these were not trusted builds.
They were called trusted builds, but they were anything other.
They should have been called trusted wipes because they wiped the computer, they wiped the screen, and then they installed a new program on top of that.
So when you wipe and then rewrite on top of that area that's been wiped clean, there's no way to ever get that data back again.
And this is what this woman did, who's the Secretary of State.
This is a criminal, a federal criminal.
She violated Statute 52 USC, Section 20701.
Okay.
And that requires anyone who is in charge of any data to hold that data on an election for 22 months.
That's a federal law.
Or they can spend a year in prison.
And what happened to the data?
What's that?
What happened to the data?
Gone.
Yeah, like in like in Michigan and other places.
Yeah, these are captured states.
These places are they're going to come around.
I trust Donald Trump to be able to fix this situation.
He's got three more years to get it done.
I mean, Tina is doing a good job.
And she was prosecuted because she revealed this, correct?
She didn't do it.
She's prosecuted because she saved evidence.
So the person who saved the evidence, the real evidence, the one who saved the truth is behind bars.
And she didn't affect an election, alter an election, change the election.
Oh, no, God, no.
she's a good person.
And all the people who did that are walking free.
No, no, worse than that.
The people that did that put her where she is.
Yeah.
Oh, my goodness.
Now, what is going on with, there's a discussion of a federal pardon for her, isn't there?
There's more than discussion.
We got a federal pardon.
But I mean, the discussion is, is it valid?
Well, of course, it's valid.
The question is, does it extend to the state?
Yes, does it extend to the state?
Okay.
And we have a couple of really good arguments that say, yes, it does.
And it has to.
So, the first thing we look at is the fact that before the end of the Civil War, two months ago, I would have said impossible.
It only refers to federal offense.
And the reason I would say that is because, you know, let me pull out my pocket constitution here.
Love that.
This is our kind of guy, Mayor.
These days I need it, you know.
Well, we haven't even talked about his time leading the president in military school, but that's for another time.
Oh, yeah.
No, I'll tell you, I know Donald Trump pretty well, lived with him in our senior year, you know, in the barracks.
We met in my sophomore year when we were both 15, but we actually lived together when we were 17.
Wow, that's really great.
That's a whole nother story for another time.
We'll talk about that.
Oh, my goodness.
No, I got to tell you, what a good guy he was.
He was loved by his fellow cadets more than you can imagine would happen in these schools.
He was just a good person.
He always had your back.
He was all, I mean, I mean, the time, number of times, you know, other captains, you know, they can be brutal.
You know, they can go up to a cadet standing in formation with poured arms.
He's holding his rifle, standing at attention, and knee him in a place.
You don't want to knee a guy.
You know, I mean, a lot of captains are like that.
Or they didn't care.
They would just.
You were his captain, right, Peter?
No, no, no, no.
He was my captain.
He made me a two-sergeant.
And I basically, I tell people I ran his first company for him, Company A.
Yeah.
Wow.
Okay.
But yeah, no, and he did.
He did tell a mutual friend of ours that I was his best friend in high school.
So I'm taking that to the bank.
But besides that, I felt the same way.
We never declared it.
We weren't little children.
No, you don't have a ceremony for best friends.
You just are.
You aren't.
That's right.
But what's going to happen?
What's going to happen?
But he would never.
I just want to say, since I mentioned that about captains, he could have done it.
He could have gotten away with it because it was done all the time.
No captain before it.
Well, one did, but that's another story.
But he would never do that to anybody.
You know, he was the kind of guy that always remembered it, always knew, like when Mail Call, he knew who didn't get cookies from home.
He knew who never got a letter from home.
And he dealt with these people with his sense of humor and somehow made it better for them.
I mean, he had a heart then and the same heart that you see now.
Yeah, it's very guy.
Wow.
But just look, when you live, they say you don't know somebody until you live with them.
So now, what is happening with the pardon?
The state is refusing to honor it.
Yes.
They're refusing to honor it.
So, you know, it's kind of interesting.
Let me just go back to the last question you asked.
Like, what are my arguments?
You know, why do I think it'll work?
Yeah.
Okay.
So it's pretty clear.
It's Article 2, Section 2 of the Constitution.
Paragraph 1.
It basically says he shall have the power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except for cases of impeachment.
So it basically has one exception, doesn't have an exception for states or whatever.
But, you know, the fact of the matter is it's pretty broad.
And so the question is, what does it mean offenses against the United States?
Well, you and I, looking at this today in the 21st century, we know darn well what that means.
That means the United States laws of the United States, laws of the country, federal laws.
The United States, you and I understand the United States to be federal, right?
You and I both understand when I talk about the United States, I can say it is a beautiful country, right?
If I were to talk about the United States and say they are a beautiful country, you'd look at me like I've got five heads.
Before the Civil War, you would say it was a great country.
They would look at you like you have five heads.
Before the Civil War, people saw the United States like all of the United States.
They were looking at the states and understanding that they're plural.
So like, for instance, let me give you an example of what I'm talking about, okay?
Article 3 of the Constitution, Section 3.
Let's talk about treason.
Treason against the United States, again, you're thinking the United States, the federal government, shall consist only in levying war against them or in adhering to their enemies, not its enemies.
Yeah, yeah.
And they're talking about a 50 or whatever, whatever number of states then, right?
Well, 36 at the time.
Yeah.
Okay, because that was right after the Civil War, and there were 36 states in the nation during the Civil War.
So, yeah, I had to look these things up, you know, because I'm doing.
So what you're saying is that the term before the Civil War, the word United States encompassed the entire country.
Well, think of it like this.
Even now it does, except for legal distinctions.
If someone says, I'm coming to the United States, they may not know at this point if they're going to New York or Texas or they're just coming.
They may not even know the difference between New York and Texas.
No, I tell you something.
That war that killed 750,000 people out of a population of 100 million.
Okay.
That war changed everything.
You know, it united the country.
That's what we say.
But what it really means is it really made a very, very strong central government.
And before that, each state was much stronger in its own right.
And so it would be like, let's just say we put together, or not we, but somebody put together four countries or 10 countries in South America.
So Ecuador, Paraguay, you know, a couple of others, got together and they said, we want to be united, right?
But and they call themselves the United Countries of South America.
Okay.
And then if you start thinking about them, you're thinking about the countries that are united.
Right.
And that's the way you think about it.
So the United Countries of South America is that they.
You know, we're going to give the United Countries of South America a billion dollars.
And you wonder, well, how much is, you know, but you're not thinking that that's for the federal government.
You're thinking, well, you're going to give a bunch to each country.
All right.
And because a state is the same thing as a country or a nation.
We were called the United States, so the word states got to be used that way.
We couldn't have been called the United Nations of America.
We could have been called the United Countries of America.
We're called the United States.
And you and I are so used to that.
But before the end of the Civil War, because even if you look at the 13th Amendment, which is right before the end of the war, look at how they wrote that, which is really very telling.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude shall exist within the United States or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
In the plural.
If it would have said any place subject to its jurisdiction, it would have been the federal government we're talking about.
Yeah, I mean, it's really a fascinating argument.
Has it been made before?
No.
And have you made it yet?
Have you been at the point of preparing?
Okay, so we're going, we have a three-pronged approach.
I know it's hard to meet a man that's got three prongs.
No, no, it's not.
I'm used to it.
Anyway, it's a three-prong.
All right.
What are they?
Okay, the first prong is to go back to the trial court and try to get her out of prison by renewing the motions to get bail pending appeal and so on.
Okay, that's not much to do with this.
The two prongs for this are, number one, we're filing a suit in federal court for declaratory relief.
We figure we can move that faster than a writ of habeas corpus.
The court took a year to determine the writ of habeas corpus, maybe 10 months, but it was a long time.
And that was terrible.
But with a lawsuit for declaratory relief, we'll be able to deal with that in motion practice, whether it's a motion for judgment on the pleadings or a motion for summary judgment.
We'll be able to move that pretty quickly.
But then it still has to go to the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals.
Then it can go to the federal court.
So the third prong, which is really, really the first prong, which is going to get filed hopefully tomorrow, Wednesday at the latest, unless the courts are closed because Wednesday, yes.
So if, but we're filing it in the state court, in the appellate court, where we have an appeal pending.
I mean, oral argument is the 14th of January.
So that's coming up pretty fast on us.
And we want to get this thing heard first.
So that's why I got to get it filed hopefully tomorrow.
But this motion is a motion to determine the jurisdiction of the Court of Appeal, a Court of Appeals, to determine whether or not they can even hear the appeal or whether they have to basically declare that they don't have jurisdiction to hear the appeal because the pardon is good.
See, they're in a crosshairs right now.
They have a conundrum that we're about to deliver to them.
It's going to be.
Because yes, because we have an appeal pending of what?
Charges that are gone because of the pardon or pardons that aren't or charges or convictions that aren't gone because the pardon doesn't have an effect.
They have to decide this.
And once you get the appellate court, as you probably know, I'm sure you know.
Then you can go directly to the Supreme Court from the appellate court.
Now, normally you got to go to the Supreme Court of the state, but in Colorado, they have legislation that basically says no.
They have legislation that allows you to go right to the Supreme Court of the United States.
That's quite helpful.
Right, right.
So then we'll be able to hear that.
But there's also another argument that's much more important.
Okay.
I mean, this is a fun argument, but the real argument, the one that we should not lose, is one that even though even if it is just for states, even if I mean, just for federal offenses, even if it is only for offenses against the federal government, these are in the interest of the United States.
When you have something which is in the interest of the federal government and somebody's doing a wrong, then that is an offense against the federal government.
And we've got some case law that I've seen some of that.
That's actually what I thought your argument was.
I didn't realize the first part of your argument.
Well, I gave you the second part before.
The second part of your argument got more attention in the newspapers that, in fact, essentially, at the core, it's an offense against the United States, whether it's in state court.
The victim is the United States of America.
If she's not allowed to take a snapshot or an image of a hard drive of an election machine because there's something wrong with her doing it.
In an election involving the United States.
Then there has to be something wrong against the United States.
Yeah.
Okay.
And even though it's a federal state crime, it's still a crime against the United States.
Before we get off, Peter, what exactly did she do?
She took a picture?
An image.
In other words, created another hard drive exactly like the one that for the purpose of illustrating this.
For the purpose of having it so that you can then look at it and see what was on that hard drive.
But not for the purpose of affecting an ongoing election.
No, no, she's an honest person.
What I mean, I don't understand what the crime is taking a picture of it for purposes of argument.
The crime was the way she did it, you know, which was a little bit private and secret because they wouldn't, you know, they would have sent in the Marines.
Because she went in and took a picture of the ballot.
Not a picture of the ballot, a picture of the hard drive.
Picture of the hard drive.
In other words, if I went to your computer and did what they did, I could then take what I took, put it on and I could run it.
It'd be like running your machine.
So that's a crime?
No, no, no, no.
They made it into a crime.
She wasn't allowed to use her defenses.
What crime was she charged with?
Making a copy of the hard drive was one of the crimes.
Another one was the person.
Does it exist in the person who was in the middle?
Does it exist in the statute books?
No, they make these up as you go.
You know, I mean, like there's a crime 18 USC section 220, right?
No, no, there's nothing.
No, no, they make these things.
Does this have a section?
The Secretary of Strait never had authority.
Does this have a section?
Does it have a section number?
They have some section numbers, but they take things out of context.
Yeah.
I'll give you a perfect example.
Take Stephanie Lampert.
Okay.
I don't know.
You know, Stephanie.
I think you know.
Okay.
She's charged as well.
She's a lawyer that's charged in two cases in Michigan for her examining the election machines.
Okay.
And she had a judge that gave her an order that let her do it in the first place.
She's charged for examining the election machines.
Yeah, yeah, because once she examined her experts, rather, you know, she never actually touched them herself.
She had her experts examine these.
That in the was that in the, in the presence of people that could assure she wasn't going to change it.
Immersive no no no no, this was after the election.
Okay, election's over.
Yeah yeah yeah, there's no changing it.
It was even after the period.
You're not allowed to touch anything.
Yeah yeah and, and so she had these experts look at the machines and uh, and they open them up.
That's how I know the phone.
The phone chips are on the motherboard, because they were able to not only find the phone chips on the board by, but just looking at it, but they were able to determine that they had been accessed on on the night of of uh, so she of november 1st, she has a pardon for a crime where the graviment of the offense is against the United States um, and it's not a crime.
And it's not a crime and she got nine years for it, nine years at age 69.
She got.
She got nine, nine, nine years, I mean nine years.
The judge had the option, Supreme Court, you wouldn't get nine years if you kill somebody.
It appears the judge had the option of probation uh, but chose nine years in prison, citing the quote, immeasurable damage that Peters had done.
It's an argument, elections and trust.
It's an argument that you're going to agree with, disagree with.
There's no permanent damage done to anything.
No, no damage.
No no, argue it or and agree with it or not agree.
She, three felony counts of attempting to influence a public servant, one felony count of conspiracy to commit criminal impersonation.
So they, they.
But yeah, because impersonation because the guy didn't use his right name, because he's, his life is at stake.
If he does, because he's an American hero who's brought down a cartel that dealt with human trafficking.
So he doesn't use his right name.
But he doesn't use any name for any fraudulent purpose and there's nothing wrong with that.
You're allowed to use any name you want, as long as it's not you're in uh Colorado right well, i'm in Florida, but but the cases in Colorado, the cases in Colorado.
She's in prison.
I can't believe that governor Felise Navidad would give her a oh god yeah Jared, Oh Surprise, Jared Polis, Jared Polis would give her a pardon.
Look these, these people are.
I know, I know i'm kidding you.
They need to be voted.
They need to.
We need to have a fair election.
I'm telling you there's only you know, there's a lot of things that are really, really important.
Believe me, getting certain people out of prison is really important.
I know that.
I know that's Paulus.
We play that every once in a while.
We call him governor, Feliz Navidad.
Any chance we get, you just gave us a chance.
I can't imagine I can't imagine a jackass like that being.
You know, I I attribute it to the high incidence Of marijuana all around the state.
None of them are quite.
I'll tell you, part of everything that's going on is caused by the fact that there was decriminalization of drugs to a great extent, including marijuana.
Think about it for a second.
In 1999, 32% of all crimes were drugs, trafficking or whatever, possession, 32%.
Let's just say that 7% is still occurring.
Okay.
Somebody's got crystal meth, bye-bye, right?
But marijuana was the biggest of all of them.
That disappeared.
They didn't reduce the size of the police forces.
They didn't lower the amount of AUSAs in New York City.
Right.
And they, you know, so, you know, and there aren't enough bank robberies to go around.
So they, what are they going to do?
You know, they have to rationalize their existence.
So they, you know, if this happened with traffic cops, for instance, you know, in your city, all of a sudden you're going to get pulled over for not coming, for coming to a rolling stop rather than a full stop at a stop sign, right?
All of a sudden, the law gets, it moves the line when you're overpoliced.
And that's part of the well, or and that's what we saw under Biden.
Merritt Garland is a genius.
I mean, I can't stand the idea of that guy, but he knew how to weaponize those people.
I'm going to have to continue this, Peter.
We ran out of time, but this is a fascinating, fascinating argument.
Let me know when it's going to happen.
I want to hear it.
Okay.
I'd love to.
Yes.
All right.
All right.
Let's stay in touch.
Thank you.
Very interesting.
Yeah, it's really my pleasure.
Really good to see you.
You know that point.
Thank you.
And have a great holiday.
Merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas.
So, you know, my friends, that did go a bit, but it's very, very interesting how whether you agree or disagree with his ultimate argument about a pardon, and I'd have to think about it more because the first part of it I had never thought about.
The second part of it, I'm not sure of.
When it's a pardon and the ultimate underlying offense is a federal offense, and it does say offenses against the United States.
Did the pardon power embrace that as well?
I think that's a pretty good argument.
The first one is one that I hadn't heard before, that when we were talking about the United States before the Civil War, we were talking about it as all of the states, not a separate entity, the United States and the state of Florida, the United States and the state of Kentucky.
So when we say the president can pardon any offense against the United States, it means all the states.
And when they go ahead and start explaining it and saying, and they and they're instead of singular, were they meaning to talk about all the states?
That's a good argument.
Second one isn't a bad argument either, that you can have certain kinds.
Let's say a person held up a grocery store in Brooklyn, as opposed to stole money from the Federal Reserve, and they decided to prosecute it as a state theft, which it would be.
It'd be a federal theft and a state theft.
Could the president pardon the second one?
Because it's really an offense against his jurisdiction, the United States.
This here, in the sense that it can fix a federal election, is dealing with offenses against the United States.
So we'll have to see how the court, how the court deals with that.
I think the problem he's going to have is the courts are going to be reluctant to expand the pardon power.
I think they are.
They're going to be, they, courts generally don't like the pardon power because it takes the case completely away from them ultimately.
But they shouldn't really, because the pardon power has existed almost as long as we've existed.
And when I say we've existed, I mean as a legal enterprise.
It came along with the Magna Carta.
It came along with the king.
The king had the pardon power since the, oh, at least at least Richard the Lionheart, John, his brother John, rather.
And kings exercised the pardon power and they exercised it in most cases.
I'm sure there were times it was exercised irresponsibly, but there isn't much history on that.
It's generally, did you know what it comes from?
It comes from the fact that Great Britain, Great Britain is a Roman Catholic country originally, and it comes from the power of confession.
And it's something analogous to the priest has the right to forgive your sins and the king should have the right to forgive your governmental sins, to show that people can be reformed, people can change, they can confess, and they can reform.
And a lot of the rules about pardons come out of the rules of the theology of confession.
And this goes along for centuries and it continues after it becomes an Anglican communion.
Well, in any event, we'll be back tomorrow night.
We're going to send you over to Dr. Maria, where you're going to see a Christmas show, among other things.
You're going to see some strange individuals in that Christmas show.
Yeah, I don't know if they've seen it.
Yeah, we got.
Yeah, you'll see.
You're going to see a little Christmas show with the good Dr. Maria.
So we're going to see you on, we're going to see you on, we'll see it.
We'll see you tomorrow night.
Yeah, yeah.
And we're going to have, we're going to actually have a we're going to have a.
Yeah, we know, we know.
I know you keep repeating that, so I can't say anything.
We're going to have something.
Tune in tomorrow night.
Tune in tomorrow night.
We're going to have a great podcast on.
And then on Wednesday night, we'll be on live on Christmas Eve.
So you have a great evening.
Go over to Dr. Maria on the Lindell Network and on Lindell TV and pray.
Pray for all those countries at risk.
Pray for the United States of America.
Pray for our great president who needs strength.
He's got strength, but he needs yours.
We all do.
Tina Peters.
And pray for Tina Peters, who we heard quite a heck of a story about today.
Another person who's being persecuted.
Pray for all of them that the Bidens have persecuted.
The ones in the past, the ones being persecuted right now, because there are a lot of them.
You don't realize it.
God bless America.
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It was a book written in 1776 that guided much of the discipline of thinking that brought to us the discovery of our freedoms, of our God-given freedoms.
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He explained their inherent desire for liberty, for freedom, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, the ability to select the people who govern them.
And he explained it in ways that were understandable to all the people, not just the elite.
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The desire for freedom adheres in the human mind and it is part of the human soul.
This is exactly the time we should consult our history.
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