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The Rudy Giuliani Show: Wednesday, August 20, 2025
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Good evening.
This is Rudy Giuliani and welcome to the Rudy Giuliani show.
Well, I guess we're in a countdown.
We're in a countdown to when and how are they going to arrange the bilateral meeting between Putin and Zelensky.
There are any number of obstacles to it, any number of reasons why it might be difficult to arrange.
On the other hand, I don't think Putin has much of a choice.
but to agree to it.
I would think his failure to do that would destroy any of the goodwill he obtained with Trump to try and work something out.
And we would get back to, we would get back to the possibilities of those very serious sanctions that at least we found out for sure can motivate him because that's what got him to Alaska.
In this, in this, in In this arrangement on how to get to peace between the two of them, I would say, believe it or not, really, the number one issue is U.S. security.
Security, but security.
without the U.S. is not security.
France and Germany have agreed to supply troops.
I would imagine everyone you saw present at that meeting yesterday would supply troops for
But the real issue that would deter Russia and that would make maybe not so much deter Russia it would but the issue that would really make Ukraine comfortable would be the United States involved in that and President Trump has indicated that he will be involved in it that he will certainly support our allies to the extent that they need help he asked General Kane,
the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, to come up with a plan for how to do this.
Now, he's made it clear.
President Trump has, that is, he's made it clear that there'll be no boots on the ground.
In other words, we will not be sending troops.
The troops will be from Europe, from NATO, really.
And the number as yet, you know, to be worked out and determined.
The commitment that he got from Putin, or at least as I understand the commitment, The determination of security will very much be in the discretion of the United States,
our allies, and Zelensky, including he expects something like a NATO guarantee.
The way that works, as you know, is if any member of NATO is attacked, everyone's attacked and they come to their defense.
So he understands that should he violate the agreement, the hypothetical agreement now, of invading Ukraine again, then these nations, including the United States, would come to the defense of Ukraine.
Hopefully that's not going to happen, but then there's going to be a peacekeeping force there, an assurance force so that Ukraine gets the security that, in fact, I do believe is their number one objective.
That's why they wanted to join NATO.
so that should they be attacked, then all these European countries would come to their defense.
Well, in essence, they're getting that without the formality of being part of NATO and whatever other additional benefits NATO brings with it.
Now, working that out is easy.
for me to say that working that out is not going to be so simple.
So the president has said, they'll supply the troops, but we'll supply the air cover.
And that's the program that General Kane is now working out.
Basically, that's a concept.
Now he's going to put that into a plan.
And General Kane was meeting with, first of all, with our forces to come up with that plan.
if we don't have one already, I imagine we might.
And today there was also a virtual meeting, you know, on online, basically, hopefully secure, of NATO.
So that plan, if at least in the development stage was being discussed.
So understand that.
What's on the table as a major concession to Ukraine by Russia is that they will be able to have a security apparatus in Ukraine, once they agree on the lines,
that will assure them that there will be no further incursion by Russia and that the concept of it is going to be a multi-national force.
I don't know if during the meeting between Trump and and and Putin, it was discussed whether the U.S. would have troops involved in it, but it was discussed that the U.S. would be backing it up, securing it.
What that would mean to me is would supply the aircover and then be available if, God forbid, someone broke the agreement.
And that is the plan that's being worked out right now and being put into something more formal so that the Ukraine in giving up what it will give up, at least knows it got its number one objective, which is solid security for Ukraine.
No troops, air support for sure, and then, I don't know, they kind of call this a reassurance package, I think.
The reassurance package is whatever backup the U.S. will supply and under what conditions.
President Trump certainly has indicated on more than a number of occasions that we're prepared to use air power.
to support a European security force, but has with the same breath, has ruled out the deployment of U.S. troops.
So he's asked General Dan Kane to develop these options and the way apparently it's been described for NATO-like security guarantees for that force.
So this in a way is giving them the most important thing they would get out of NATO membership without actual NATO membership.
It's giving them the security that they were seeking from NATO membership, but not getting NATO membership.
That's the concession by Russia to them.
that of course is critical that it be done just right from their point of view.
And that was being discussed even as of yesterday, apparently.
Cain had a meeting yesterday on that, and today there was a virtual meeting of all of the, I can't say all of the NATO nations, but the ones that are certainly going to be involved in this.
And...
But exactly what came out of it, I'm sure they're not going to make public.
This is something that NATO meets all the time, and they have security plans and backup security plans and backup, backup to the backup security plans and backup, backup, backup, backup, backup to the backup, backup, backup security plans.
And these people work together very, very well.
So I don't think this is certainly, this is a matter of, um,
And President Trump has said he fully expects and that Putin is ready for the presence of Western troops in Ukraine.
And the U.S. will be deploying aircraft.
Now, they could deploy that aircraft, the aircraft could be deployed in Ukraine or right next to Ukraine.
The aircraft can, I mean, if you're deployed right next to, if you're deployed in Poland, I mean, you can get to Ukraine pretty damn fast.
The location of the U.S. aircraft is not so difficult since NATO is right on the border.
And that's for the reassurance of giving them...
It's also for the reassurance of the other countries who are participating.
After all, whoever is going to participate in this, we know that offers have been made for quite some time by Germany and France and Italy, I believe.
So they're going to want that backup for their troops.
I mean, look, there's nothing like the US Air Force.
That's the reason why Trump paraded him past the
and it is.
There are things we can do they can't do like that.
Our fighter planes are better than his.
Our pilots are better than his.
Our our Our up-to-date readiness for war is much better than his as it was demonstrated in ukraine we've never had that kind of difficulty like he had in ukraine um and you know we've sort of been at war on and off since the second world We haven't been out of war.
I mean, some of that is the criticism of our major interventions.
The benefit of that is we have a battle ready military with an awful lot of experience and an awful lot of veterans that have fought under any number of conditions.
Trump decided and I mean, I can speculate on the rationale for this because he hasn't, unlike everything else, he hasn't gone into great detail on why exactly he decided it this way, nor has he been asked about it.
He sure as heck would tell you if you asked him.
So somebody should ask him.
Why did he decide on a one-on-one meeting between Zelensky and Putin first?
I would think he had the option of both.
The only thing he's really the only explanation he's given and it makes some sense he he wanted to see how it went it seemed to me when i was listening to the discussion between him and and um and zelensky there was a point at which he asked zelensky if zelensky wanted him there It wasn't necessarily the first meeting,
but the negotiations on the peace treaty.
And Zelensky seemed extremely anxious to have him there.
Now, it may be that Zelensky wants to have an introductory meeting by himself or, and it's interesting, and I'm going to come up with a speculation about that, just based on something I read and something I know.
Zelensky has been unwilling to have a meeting.
I'm sorry, Putin has been willing to have a meeting with Zelensky because he doesn't want to legitimize it.
He considers, remember, his original demands, which is why it's so stupid to say that Trump hasn't gotten anything.
Putin's original demands were, somebody else but Zelensky had to come to the Congress.
He wanted Zelensky gone.
He considered Zelensky illegally in office.
I don't know.
based on what, but illegally in office.
He considers him to be a Nazi, which is, of course, ridiculous.
But he's made all these points to his people so that a meeting with Zelensky is going to take a little explanation by Putin.
Why is he meeting with this?
I'm talking now from the Russian point of view, right?
Why is he meeting with this scoundrel that he's pointed to his people as he had to go in there to save the Russian-language people from this Nazi?
So it is a barrier he has to overcome in meeting with him.
The easier from Putin's point of view, I would think.
If Trump were there, then basically he has to meet with him because he's accompanied by Trump.
And maybe they wanted to push Putin to have to give up that facade because that's going to be necessary in trying to figure out how to make peace.
It's also, I think, part of what is delaying it.
Lavrov is coming up with every excuse he possibly can to delay this.
People think it's so he can do more damage to Ukraine.
Yeah, that could have something to do with it.
He is attacking, which is absurd.
But there's nothing I don't think that he can do with a couple of days that whatever he did, he's done.
done and this will be just incremental except for the people who die unfortunately and tragically so trump Trump really thought about this very, very hard.
It could have gone either way.
And I think he decided that he wants to see that, I think, this is my guess, he wants to see if he can push, it's like a test to push him to do things he doesn't want to do.
Because the more he gets pushed to do things he doesn't want to do, the better chance it is that you're eventually going to be able to get him to do a peace treaty that makes some sense.
And also you break down that barrier of involvement of Zelensky in this, because eventually Zelensky has to be very involved.
So that's why I think that's why that's the best I can come up with for why he thought a first meeting between Zelensky and Putin was the way to go.
And then there would be a trilateral meeting, meeting of the three of them.
Right now, according to both the statement by Caroline and the statement by the president, the chancellor of Germany, Putin has now agreed to a meeting with Zelensky, and it's a matter of Caroline Levitt and Chancellor Mears.
Putin has agreed to a meeting, and the question is now the details of it.
That's always the details of.
With Trump, you don't really have to worry about that too much.
He doesn't really, these summit meetings were always so much more complicated because every president wanted everything negotiated out in advance.
He sort of likes to go with them and dominate them himself.
And Joey's been awfully successful.
I don't think because of the disgusting lying press, you have any idea how successful the meeting in Alaska was.
I mean, this is a place we would not have been if it weren't for that meeting and it weren't for Trump.
Remember.
Putin's demands, which they now forget, was, one, Zelensky had to be out of office.
Two, they had to have withdraw from the places they took back in Ukraine.
And what about all that territory before they began negotiating?
They've had nothing to negotiate with.
Well, that's all gone.
There are no preconditions now to the meeting.
He actually attempted for, as the price of the meeting, basically win win the war right all that's gone that's all been given up um there is no price to the meeting there will be a price on each side to peace in essence um at least as it's at least as it's postured now uh
ukraine is going to have to give up some territory It seems to me it may be able to get some territory back, but it has to give up some critical territory.
Critical territory is Crimea, which I think they were prepared to do, and that certain area undefined but fairly important, very important, of Donbass.
It is not off the table that they would get back, Ukraine would get back equivalent territory that Russia is holding.
But as we've pointed out to you, the Donbass area is very very important for security reasons so therefore the concession that they have to make and the thing that becomes so important to Ukraine are are the security package?
How complete is it?
How airtight is it?
Does it really substitute for NATO?
And does it really substitute for what they might be giving away in Dunbass?
and it could i mean the idea that you have three or four or five major nato nations uh helping to secure your country during this difficult period and with the united states backing it up uh on a daily basis with its air force and on an ongoing basis with a uh a commitment to get involved if there's any kind of violation well i mean that's a heck of a lot better than Donbass.
I'd rather have that than just one basic wall.
Yes, they haven't been able to penetrate, but then again, they are a much bigger country than Ukraine.
And who knows, if they keep at it, they might penetrate it.
So we'll see what happens with the first meeting and how that gets arranged.
But the president said, I thought it would be better if they met without me just to see.
I want to see what goes on.
You know, they had a hard relationship, very, very bad relationship.
I think he wants to see if they can make this work.
He also doesn't want a peace treaty that lasts two months.
So we'll have to see what they arrange.
Lavrov is playing the doorkeeper.
He said, well, this has to be prepared step by step, gradually, starting with the expert level, and then going through all the necessary stages.
How ridiculous.
That would be true if Putin and Trump haven't met.
What experts have to meet now that the two heads of state have met and agreed on doing this?
The Russians not only lie, they come up with the stupidest lies.
I don't know.
If they had been better, they probably would have won the Cold War.
Thank God they're not that smart.
They are far apart on certain issues, right?
Should the front lines be frozen?
Should
possibly not Luhansk, has a certain area like Donbass does that they were not able to capture that they weren't able to get their hands on and their original their original demand request whatever we want to call it was we want you to give us that so that would have been four or five territories that ukraine would have to have seized they've abandoned that and it really is um i
don't know the ones on the table as a condition But should it be re-raised, I think it would be a deal breaker, and that is Crimea.
But the regions I'm talking about, the four regions I'm talking about, they've given up on three of them and the only one they're insisting on now is Donbass.
So that's, that's, that's a, when you say what did Trump get out of the meeting, there's another thing they got out of the meeting.
Plus a general agreement to a fulsome security for Ukraine that would be satisfactory to us, which is probably the single most important thing.
But they do remain very, very far apart on how these territories are going to be divided or it appears as if they are.
The other thing that they're very kind of far apart on is the whole recognition of Zelensky and his government, which has to be part of what's delaying this.
Because the minute they meet one-on-one, it's kind of like people were saying about Putin got a certain amount of legitimacy by being able to meet with Trump.
Now that's kind of silly because Putin already has legitimacy.
Zelensky is going to get a hell of legitimacy by meeting with Putin.
And Russia's aware of that.
The minute they meet together, they're on the same stage or on the same play.
All of a sudden, you've sort of de facto accepted Zelensky as the head of Ukraine, which is what they wanted to avoid.
So let's take a short break and we'll be right back.
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We were describing how far apart they are, which is quite correct.
But the real issue is how close together can we get them?
And I think that's why Trump wants this meeting of the two of them alone to see how bad things are, right?
And to see how far apart they are.
the most the most obvious the most obvious how far apart they are and the most important because terms of terms and negotiators can switch on a dime on that and the part that bothers me the most and I'm sure the president are these attacks that are these attacks that that Putin continues to do and and
they are there's no there's no there's no apparent let up one I say let up, maybe there's let up in the extent of them.
It isn't like across the entire group of areas where there's a conflict.
They're picking like one area to hit, but they are picking civilian areas to hit.
And today, they launched, well, Monday actually, which was the day of the meeting, right?
The day that they were having this meeting, Russia launched 270 drones and 10 missiles.
Um, Yeah.
And right before that, the attack before that, they had killed 14 civilians and injured 50 people, including two children, one year, one and five years old.
And they were both at home in Kharkiv, and they both were killed.
The civilian total so far in this war is or in this phase of the war is 13,569 children that since they invaded.
That's four times the total civilians killed on September 11, by the way.
And this is quite deliberate.
you consider the world's outrage at um at israel where they attempt like crazy to try to avoid hitting civilians uh there should be more outrage at this um so that that that
while, well, while they're trying to figure out, well, gee, how are we going to do peace?
So I think at some point that's got to be put on the table.
If these, if these, if these discussions are going to get anywhere, whether you call it a ceasefire or you just, you just stop killing each other for a little while.
It probably is going to make these conversations go a lot better and a lot faster.
The latest attack was on Monday was near Kharkiv in that region of Ukraine.
that's sort of the region they've been spending the most time on anyway and You can see if we if we if we want to go on the map there We can take a look at it here.
they're There you see some of the attacks.
But there's the, we call it the proposed line, the Putin proposed line.
The yellow line that you see there running up in here.
The yellow line is the present demarcation line between the two countries.
So that's basically right in here.
You can see that.
That's the division right now.
What you see here is the rest of Donetsk that they want.
That's the area of Donetsk that they want that they don't have.
They also at one point wanted extra territory here.
uh here they've not they're not they're not that's off the table for now uh the problem the problem uh with that is that though that that line in um in don't ask has been extremely heavily uh heavily fortified And therefore,
that is why they haven't been able up until now to, they haven't been able up until now to breach it.
So therefore they're going to get through the peace agreement something they weren't able to get through war.
Okay.
So now what that puts an issue is what does Ukraine get in return for that?
What's the Russian concession?
Well, the Russian concession is a big one.
And it's the one that I think changed the president's mind on a ceasefire and he wanted to solidify this as quickly as possible and not go through.
Ceasefire is like having a double header.
You know, yeah, it's going to, it's, negotiating a ceasefire can sometimes be even more difficult than a peace treaty because they're still very hostile when we're doing the ceasefire.
But since he had, he had on the table that they were willing to allow within, I guess, I'm not even within reason, they were willing to allow us to sort of put together.
a security plan for Ukraine to prevent or to secure against Russia breaching the lines yet again.
And there was discussion that although they're going to have to agree not to join NATO, this should be a NATO-like security plan, meaning an attack on one is an attack on all.
Having heard that, Trump wanted to get to that as quickly as possible.
You got that, you want to go from that, and you want to do, okay, let's do the agreement right now.
But of course, that is unrealistic.
But by saying, well, let's sched about the fastest way you're going to get it done.
And at this point, that'll be on the table between Zelensky and Putin.
And right now, we're developing, the United States is developing with our allies basically the fine points of that plan so that Zelensky is armed with that going into the negotiations And it's basically going to be the presence of at minimum French and German troops.
We think also Italian and some others.
They will be in Ukraine to assure whatever tentative new border is agreed on.
And they will be backed up by the United States Air Force as their air force.
And also they'll be backed up with a pledge by the United States to commit to defend them should they be attacked, meaning the security forces.
No U.S. troops.
unless they attack.
So that's about for real and that can be negotiated, then that gives Zelensky the opportunity to start trading some territory because who cares about territory if it's not going to be secure?
I mean, Russia could agree to any line to then walk across it as soon as the peace treaty is signed.
Except if you have the forces of four or five countries there, the backup of the United States, the Air Force, and the United States there.
states there, you're not going to do it.
So that's the part that you want to get negotiated as quickly as possible.
And let's take a look at the map again.
And we'll show you what's going on here.
So that, what you see here is what Russia has taken.
The reason it's like that, and one of the reasons for this second invasion was, after the invasion of 2014 or something like that, they didn't have a complete gateway or a complete roadway to Russia.
Crimea has their deep water harbor.
where they kept their submarine fleet.
And it is heavily Russian.
Of all those places, which are the areas we're talking about here are the parts of Ukraine that in the past favored Russia.
not favored Russia governance, but favored Russia, they favored the pro-Russia.
Recent surveys done, whatever they're worth at time of war, that whole area has switched.
They now are hard to know the percentages, but if they were to have a free and fair election, I think they'd all want Russia out at this point.
You can tell that with Kharkiv.
Kharkiv, which is up around here, up around there.
Kharkiv is the second biggest city in Russia.
Kharkiv was a pro, second biggest city in Ukraine.
It is a heavily like that entire area, heavily ethnically Russian, probably spoke Russian as much as it did in Ukraine.
Very, very big voting base for the pro-Russian Ukrainian party, as is that entire Donbass area.
But Kharkiv, really big, and Crimea, really big.
However, when Putin did his original invasion, for some reason, the army The mayor of Kharkiv, who has passed away but was a friend of mine, would have probably ceded the city to Putin had Putin just called and asked.
When they got attacked, they became very hostile, as you might imagine.
They didn't just become hostile.
They put together a militia, even after they were attacked and maybe captured, I'm not sure, pretty close to capture.
And they had a very, very very big morale inspiring victory.
They threw the Russians out, but not without tremendous casualties and the mayor losing the use of his legs and becoming a paraplegic.
In fact, when I worked with him, he had already succumbed to those injuries.
And so now you will remember, if you think back on the history of this war, how often they have attacked Kharkiv, including yesterday.
But very much like that area in Donbass that they can't take Kharkiv.
They've been unsuccessful in taking Kharkiv and they're not asking for it.
I'm surprised actually.
And they're not asking for it.
Well, probably because they are now aware of the fact that they've engendered tremendous hostility there.
If they were to take Kharkiv, it would be like having to deal with internal attempts to rebel right from the very, very beginning and internally.
Kharkiv is now off their radar, at least for negotiation purposes.
Will they attack it again out of spite?
I don't know.
They attacked it, I think maybe yesterday.
So the area that we were talking about, that's the area that is, right now.
Things would remain exactly the way they are on the map.
let me just clean it up for you here, remain exactly the way they are on the map, except what Well, we don't have the map up, but when we put it up, you'll be able to see it.
They want the Donbass area.
And Ukraine hasn't agreed.
Ukraine has it under consideration.
This is my analysis and I've talked it over with some Ukrainians, not all.
If they are convinced that the security package that's being put together by the United States and our allies is 100% solid,
then they can give up some of that area in Donbass because the reason for not giving up Donbass is because of what it offers in terms of security.
But think about this.
It only offers security in one province.
Russia could always try to come in another way.
Whereas if you get the security guarantee that seems to be on the table and you get it from on the table in writing, that secures all of Ukraine.
That's a lot better than just having this one secure area in Donbass.
And after all, They're not asking for taking back all of Donetsk.
They're just asking for that one small piece of territory, you could always move your fortifications back a couple miles and build and build something there.
This time with the help of your allies, you're not going to have to do it on your own.
So it seems to me, although you always want to put them through a little negotiation, I'm not going to start asking for more.
That's doable.
And all of this, all of it is doable.
The big question mark is, what's the security package going to be?
And when it's actually Russia going to balk?
Did we understand them correctly when we walked away with the idea that they'd be okay with a NATO-like security package?
There's always a question, would they be okay with the presence of American troops?
There won't be American troops to start with.
There will be the backup of American troops.
should they violate the treaty.
And they really can't have much to say about what the other side does if they violate the treaty.
You're not supposed to violate the treaty or contemplate it.
So I really do think that this thing gets done based on the security guarantee.
Is it strong enough for Ukraine?
And will Russia in the long run ultimately object to it?
I think if they get Donbass, they won't.
That's very important to them.
And it also helps them beyond.
that, it helps them sort of re-establish that region as a Russian region by not having that extra territory they don't.
There's also the question of minerals.
Now, we have a great interest in this because we have a deal with them to exploit their minerals.
So we're going to want to make sure that we have an equivalent.
that whatever minerals we may be giving up in that area, because that area is mineral rich, that whole Donbass area, that we're making up for it somewhere else.
We should put on the table some equivalent part of what they control that we want back in return for it.
So that will be very, very, that'll be very interesting to see how that all plays out.
it's going to be extraordinarily, it's going to be extraordinarily tense and difficult on that issue.
Now, before we get to that, this thing's got to get going.
And this may require Trump exerting some pressure.
It may.
Better if it doesn't, because it always gets things off track if you're moving along in that direction, if that happens.
But it could.
It could become an issue.
And let's hope that Lavrov gets out of the way and Putin schedules this meeting.
This could be deliberate or this could be Lavrov objecting to the agreement and therefore putting his nose in it and it has to get straightened out by Putin.
You don't know until you push it.
You don't know until you push it.
And the meeting with the meeting with Zelensky does run counter to the Putin narrative, which is that this was not, this was a war against the, this was an action to protect themselves against the entire West.
This wasn't an attempt just to take Ukraine, because there's always a sensitivity that there isn't a certain degree of affection, a lot, between the people of Russia and the people of Ukraine.
So we are near the end.
Very much.
Okay.
Very much so, man.
I want to thank you for listening in, I want you to, I want to ask you to pray for the people of Ukraine.
That's really important.
And for the president, so that he has the guidance that he needs.
And of course, for Israel and the other countries that are at risk and for the United States.
And go over to X and we'll continue our analysis of this and all the very, many other things that are going on right now.
It's a very complicated and difficult time.
And best for you to know it.
straight from the well to know it straight without all the garbage attached to it by what goes on, unfortunately.
So we'll see you tomorrow night and go over to X. We'll be on in just a minute or two.
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