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Aug. 13, 2025 - Rudy Giuliani
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The Rudy Giuliani Show: Wednesday, August 13, 2025
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Good evening.
This is Rudy Giuliani and this is the Rudy Giuliani show on Lindell TV.
And we are, of course, I think it's very hard not to keep your mind on the idea of what's going to happen on Friday because it is going to be the most important summit meeting between the United States and Russia since I think Reykjavik,
Iceland in the 80s when President Reagan met with Gorbachev, which they say was a great breakthrough in the Cold War.
Now it is true it was a great breakthrough in the Cold War.
but it would have to have been viewed as an unsuccessful summit.
I see some who have a the usual, let me just move just a little so I am right where the camera wants me right there okay and um some people who have just a passing knowledge of history right will say it was a great success now they are correct it was enormously important to the defeat of the soviet union and the bringing down of the berlin wall and the liberation of millions and
millions of people in eastern europe i i consider that almost a holy place When I went to Reykjavik, I spent almost an hour just in the room.
It's really small.
It's a nice museum, but it's like a 10-minute, 15- minute thing.
I spent an hour there just trying to soak it in and sat at the desk and they preserved it in Reykjavik and you can go see it and it gets a lot of people.
Believe it or not, a lot of people in Europe maybe even appreciate it more than we do.
After all, they were the ones that were liberated, right, by Ronald Reagan.
Why am I saying that they have it wrong?
What they have wrong is the immediate impact of that summit was a failure.
Ronald Reagan walked out of the summit.
It was a little different then.
In those days, and this has changed not with Trump.
It's changed dramatically with Trump, but it's been changing for quite some time.
The old timers, and I'm going back now to the ones that I can't tell you about the Second World War.
I assume this is true.
But starting with Eisenhower, through Kennedy and Johnson and Nixon and whatever, presidents didn't go to summits unless they...
they were completely orchestrated.
meaning the idea was not that presidents couldn't negotiate.
I mean, my God, Eisenhower ran a But in any event, they would have the whole thing worked out.
You're not going to put the big guy out there with a fear of failure.
So the Secretary of State, and even before that, at a lower level in the White House and the National Security Advisor, they work everything out first.
Virtually all they really have to do at that summit is shake hands and say yes.
And if they have problems, meaning the two principals, right, they'll work it out on the telephone before.
Because they're not going to put either Khrushchev or Kennedy or Gorbachev or Reagan in a situation where they'll be a failure.
There have been summits that were just meeting summits that turned out to be like the first meeting between Khrushchev and Kennedy.
Khrushchev made a crucial mistake that caused a bit of what caused the Cuban missile crisis.
He thought Kennedy was too young and too ill-informed and a bit of a Democrat weakling.
And that's what got him bold enough to challenge our very, very strict policy.
You're not going to have missiles in the Western Hemisphere, pal.
Now, it was a heck of a thing to impose on them because we had missiles on their doorstep.
but they weren't going to have missiles on ours.
But that's what you're able to do if you're the greatest power on Earth.
You don't let yourself be intimidated by a communist, atheist.
regime that wants to overthrow you.
And Kennedy would be unknown to Democrats today.
He'd be unknown to them.
He was the most charming, probably political figure of my lifetime.
And I agreed with him and disagreed with him, even when I supported him.
And I agree with disagreement in retrospect.
But I have to tell you, I am absolutely certain that guy would be a Republican today.
There'd be no way, I mean, They probably lost him about 20 years ago.
And I'll tell you what he was.
He was a foreign policy hawk.
He'd be on the side of the Republican interventionists, not the isolationists.
But in any event, by the time we got to Reagan, Reagan, like Trump, was a deal maker.
Now, you don't know that about him because most people haven't read his biography carefully enough.
He was, at the most crucial time in its history, the president of the Screen Actors Guild.
at a time when they were being pursued for communist connections, both fair and unfair.
And he dealt with both.
And at the time, he was a Democrat when he did this.
And it's part of what changed him to a Republican.
Not that he found that all of the claims were true.
Not that he didn't get disgusted by some of the excesses that he saw.
But he also saw reality.
That part of it was true.
That Russia had infiltrated.
That the communists had infiltrated some of Hollywood.
So he saw both.
in what was really his great gift, I think it's probably Trump's with common sense, right?
But he also had to negotiate.
He had to negotiate, first of all, he had to negotiate contracts and two, he had to negotiate to get these people out of trouble who he represented.
So he was, and then he was a governor, of course, for eight years during critical times, brought order to the state of California.
So he had a great deal of confidence in his negotiating skills, and also with good reason.
So he didn't, they still followed that rule.
But I don't think Ronald Reagan followed that rule, meaning I don't think he felt as intimidated by what they might have agreed to as, let's say, when that rule was much more.
much more strict.
And it wasn't that a president wasn't smart enough to vary it.
It's a whole process would go crazy if you did.
So he went to Reykjavik.
You should know it was at a time in which, unlike Trump, who's popular now, about as as popular as he's ever been, and particularly among his base, he was beginning to have the real trouble over the completely insane.
charges about helping the Sandinistas and trading arms for hostages and all kinds of picky, wicky, silly stuff for a presidency that for a president that would rise above everybody around him into the stratosphere while they were mere human beings.
No one knew, no one really appreciated except those of us who loved him, what a great man they were dealing with.
They didn't understand it.
They used to make fun of him.
I mean, the guy virtually readjusted the 20th century with his own hands.
He took it from Roosevelt and he just readjusted it.
It wasn't until Clinton and Obama that they kind of readjusted it back and more Obama.
And then of course we have Trump who may in due time, if not already, challenge Reagan.
I don't know that you'll ever get agreement on whether Trump was a greater president than Reagan or Reagan was a greater president than Trump.
I don't even think us Republicans should argue about that.
And how about Lincoln?
Well, those are my three.
And if you'd like to put in Jefferson and George Washington, I'll go with that.
And then after that, I would say everybody's in number two.
But so had a great meeting, Gorbachev and Reagan.
They were friends.
I would say it's fair to say they were friends.
They both say that in their biographies, that they were friends.
Everything on the surface seemed that way.
And they had an agreement on the reduction of nuclear arms that was breathtaking.
And the Russians had agreed to more than So it was a victory for Ronald Reagan and a victory against all the left-wingers who said he was a dealing with negative numbers.
I don't remember what they were, but they were the worst he would get, I think, because of the scandals that were being created.
So he goes in and they're negotiating.
It's going real well.
And all of a sudden, breaking news.
I remember this almost as if it's yesterday.
Breaking news.
President Reagan is, for some reason, leaving Reykjavik.
He's headed for the presidential limousine.
And nobody...
None of his aides are following him.
None of his aides are following him.
Because they didn't know he was going to do it.
Gorbachev at the last minute put Star Wars on the table.
And he said, I have one final thing that's absolutely a deal breaker.
Now, you don't do a deal breaker at the end unless you're a, well, I don't know.
I've had it happen many times with negotiations.
I'm not going to say if you're not a skunk, but I mean, it is something I don't know that you should do as a president.
So at the last minute he puts on the table doing away with Star Wars, which everybody was making fun of Trump for.
And I think Gorbachev thought this might be easy for him because I don't know how popular Star Wars was then.
And the Democrats, particularly guys like Schumer and Biden, were ridiculing.
No, not Schumer.
Sorry.
Take it away.
Not Schumer.
Biden were ridiculing him like crazy.
He said, Mr. Gorbachev.
That is something I cannot do.
If that's a deal breaker for you, is that serious?
He looked at him from the eyes.
Is that serious?
We don't waste time.
Is that serious?
In other words, is that just a negotiation and he said, yes, Mr. President, we can't abide by that.
I don't know if he told them the truth.
He did in his biography.
They couldn't afford it.
And they didn't trust that he would share it with them eventually.
He said, well, if that's the case, our meeting is over.
He stood up.
He said, thank you very much.
And he walked out.
He did not tell the Secretary of State, come on with me.
They weren't sure what to do.
They're sitting there still making their notes.
They had already negotiated this thing.
The agreement was ready to sign and a big dinner was scheduled for the nighttime.
And he's heading back to Washington.
And of course, the newspapers beat the crap out of him.
And Reagan creates defeat from the joys of victory and all that.
And then nine months later, Khrushchev came back on his hands and knees.
Khrushchev, sorry, Gorbachev came back on his hands and knees and agreed to everything.
Left Star Wars alone.
And you know the history.
Hence the Iron Dome.
Hence the golden, what does Trump call it?
The golden dome.
Yeah, I'm going to have Notre Name all over the country.
So what will happen?
Well, tomorrow night we're going to spend some time.
I have decided, I just told Ted, but Ted will love this.
We're going to spend all day tomorrow preparing for it.
We're going to do real special on the summit.
because I really do think a lot of people, you know, can do this, but I think I'm one person that probably has somewhat unique knowledge of this whole area.
I'm going to tell you why for a minute.
First of all, I know the president really well.
I know Putin not very well, but I know him.
And I've made my own evaluation of him in person.
That's one.
Number two, I've been a student of Russian and Soviet and communism from the time I was about eight years old, including spending a great deal in college reading about Russian philosophy, Russian history.
And then I had the honor of being one of the people that helped create the FISA court, which you've heard a lot about during the Trump administration.
But the FISA court was originally devised to get warrants here in the United States on people who were spying or assisting the Soviets and the Chinese, but it was really the Soviets.
And I oversaw that court for a number of its first sensitive years, which means I spent about as much time reading about and listening to Soviet spies as I did the mafia.
So people think of me as an expert on the mafia.
I probably know as much about the Soviet Union, probably more than the mafia.
And I think I do.
At least I do.
I have the basis for understanding them more than most of the people who comment on it.
So I'm going to try to give you an idea from the hints that I've gotten and the things that I've listened to and talked to about how I think it's going to go and how to evaluate it.
And I think the president has been very, very, the president has given us more of an insight into this summit than any president has ever done.
Like he does about everything because he's so damn open.
I thought his comment today, I'll know in the first three minutes.
And I think, I don't know who's behind.
I think Pete Haggset was on one side and Pam Bondi was on the other side.
And they wanted to smile.
And of course, he smiled.
And then eventually, I think Pam broke out in a little smile when he said, I'll know in the first minute.
Well, that may be, as usual, a tiny bit of an exaggeration.
But to make the point, he'll know in the answer to the question, Are you ready to do a complete ceasefire?
You're ready to stop killing people, Vladimir?
Because I used to like..
We used to be friends.
And you're jeopardizing that because I understand that as the head of a state, sometimes murder is involved.
But you better not like it because if you do, so why don't you restore my confidence in you?
And right now, how much are you going to gain?
Another county?
Your people are getting killed two or three to one.
So why don't you just Why don't we just say that although we're not going to solve any of the big issues at this meeting because we need Ukraine involved in it.
I'm not going to dictate to Ukraine what they do.
And I need Europe involved in it because they're going to follow through.
I don't want to pay for it.
So from my point of view, I need them in this meeting.
But I want us to make sure we understand where we're going because I agree with you.
Our relationship is not just about Ukraine.
It's about a whole world.
And I respect the fact and I beta that either one of us can destroy the world.
So having said that, let's not waste a lot of time.
Are you ready without our going any further, without any agreements about anything except the sanctity of human life just to say okay let's stop the killing until we give ourselves enough time to fully negotiate this so let's say we can put a time on it two months three months and give ourselves two to three months to negotiate a full and complete and
absolute ironclad peace agreement that where Russia and Ukraine can go on and be the great nations they should be.
If he says no to that, he's going to say no to everything.
And even if you don't put it to him quite that directly, if he's resisting that in the early stages of the negotiation, you're not going to get very far with him because negotiation isn't going to do it.
Banging him around is, he hasn't been, let's put it this way, maybe I'll find a nicer way to say this by tomorrow night if we do it, you know, as a podcast or for the record, but he's got to get banged around a little more.
Do I think he will agree to something reasonable if we bang him around enough?
I absolutely do.
I think Putin, what I know of Putin both personally, which is, again, limited, but from a great deal of study of him, he's about as evil a person as you're going to find, except we have a couple more in our world that are even more evil.
But he is completely rational.
I shouldn't say completely.
He is rational enough, so he's not going to do anything that he perceives to to be against his or maybe Russia's self-interest in his view.
So yeah, if we could ever get him.
to the point where he feels he has to negotiate, we'd probably worked out a pretty good agreement.
He's not there yet, though.
He still thinks there's room to maneuver and gain advantage.
So I think now, what do we know of the Russian strategy coming in?
And again, we'll go into this more professionally tomorrow, like with an intelligence briefing for the president.
How's that?
I'll let you see how it's done in the White House.
Maybe we'll get some people to disagree too.
Russia wants out of this maximum case, right?
They want to keep what they seized.
They want to get that, not all of, what they really want was all of Ukraine.
They're not asking for that.
But they are trying to create the groundwork so they can do that over the next three or four or five years and make it easier on themselves to do it.
So watch that in their plan.
What they want out of this is to keep the four oblasts that they took.
And of course, Crimea.
And then they want the 20% more of three of them that they haven't taken.
They want Ukraine to give that to them so they get a complete province, complete state, complete oblast.
Then they, so that's the territorial part.
They do not want to give territory back.
This is their position coming in.
I think that's negotiable.
And to determine whether to continue or not Trump has to ascertain, even if he doesn't get a concession on that, all right, if we do waste time on future negotiation, is that something at least you're willing to consider, Vladimir?
If the answer to that is no, then you've got to triple the sanctions, because then you're not getting anywhere.
Now, they're going to want formal recognition.
of their conquests of the donesk luhansk uh crimea where they've had where even now i don't knowt know that there's a universal, in any way, universal recognition of their occupation.
It's considered an occupation.
And in fact, they're not entitled to recognition of it.
They seized it illegally.
What they've done is a complete abomination of the laws of war, international law.
Any future attempt to enforce international law against anybody else is kind of suspect since Russia has violated more than any country you can think of.
Everything they took, they took illegally, going back to, well, certainly going back to 14 under Obama, their actions in 07 under Bush or 08 under Bush were a little,
although terribly brutal, were probably a little bit more justifiable and maybe outside the scope of international law.
because it was mostly within Russia and there was a definite threat of Islamic terrorism that they were dealing with.
They may have dealt with it with an overreaction, but I don't know that we'd have to go back to that.
So they want the formal recognition by the U.S. and Ukraine and the world of the Donetsk and Luhansk OBS as Russian territory and freezing the current lines.
The experts think that's really their demand.
that the give us the extra territory is a negotiating plus.
You always put something in if you're a good negotiator, and Putin surely is.
Don't underestimate him.
And I think everybody knows that's that.
If you get that one, you haven't really outnegotiated him.
Just like, well, we'll talk about what Trump has to do the same thing.
Now, what does Zelensky want?
well as much as he's got to deal with the reality the realities of life right um In what order does he want them?
I'll tell you what I think, but I'm not sure.
I would say.
most important thing he could have coming out of here is that he can join NATO.
Let him have it.
Join NATO, which means if they step over the line, he's got all of Europe going to war against him.
And I think they'd be ready to do it because Europe, what Europe wants to see and what I would like to see ideally for Ukraine.
is kick the invaders out and have security guarantees for Ukraine.
I don't see how Russia, even if they become reasonable ever agrees to that.
What the hell do they go to war for?
Right?
They've lost.
People say, I don't know, the numbers are very, very strange.
When they say a million, I think there've been a million casualties, but they do have a lot of dead, like 250, 300.
And they disproportionately lost people in comparison to the defender.
Now, it is true in a war in somebody else's country, you generally lose more than the horn.
But the numbers here are absurd and part of them come from another thing we're going to cover a bit tonight.
And that has to be part of your understanding of this, which I know the president understands, this man Putin has no concern for human life.
This is not in any respect any kind of a good man.
This is an evil man who can be charming and can be reasonable in order to achieve his evil goals down the road.
So Ukraine wants two things.
They want security guarantees and they want their territory back.
That's how they're coming in.
They have made a slight concession recently that they'd be willing to talk about territory.
Well, of course they will be, because you can't have a negotiation unless you're willing to talk about territory.
Just like Russia can't have a negotiation unless it's willing to talk about territory, they can't have negotiation without talking about territory.
So both of them, by the end of Friday, if they're going to have a second meeting, have to indicate that they're willing to at least get to the point of it's a deal breaker, we're not going to talk about it, because then the answer is why.
have a meeting?
Do I think both of them, oh, and also Trump's strategy.
Trump says his strategy is to treat it as a listening exercise, a learning experience to really assess where they really are, which, by the way,
that's probably the most critical thing you have to do because these people are posturing and they're seeking leverage and you got to separate where's where's the negotiating point and right now it's not obvious because they're both retreating back into their most extreme position and that is what usually happens when the other side isn't giving very much now you say well Russia of course is the worst
and that's true but you ukraine is tough here too i mean uk ukine keeps retreating into you can't have any of our territory except the last day or two Up until then, Zelensky has said no territory, that Russia shouldn't be allowed to gain territory this way.
And the Europeans have backed that.
He's indicated no.
no willingness to trade territory.
So they're both in that position.
Now, should he remain in that position as long as Russia is in that position?
No.
He can, without giving away anything, he can certainly sound like the more reasonable.
And he does right now by saying, yeah, if they consider it, that's something I'd consider.
He hasn't given away anything by doing that.
And really, he's not going to get peace unless he gives away a little territory.
Now, Trump says I'm just going to be a listener.
Well, Mr. Trump, when have you ever been a listener?
How many times have we met with Donald Trump, you and me?
I'm not going to talk about me.
I'm listening about you and me so I have a witness.
He listens all the time, right?
He just keeps quiet and listens to everything.
is no way that five minutes into this, this guy doesn't take over and Putin will not know what hit him.
I don't know what he has up his sleeve, but...
they're gonna be like houdini i used to i mean one of one of his models is george steinbretter yeah who was a close friend of mine but we began negotiating against each other me as a baby he was nice to me that's why they the law firm used me because he used to beat up all all the senior lawyers.
And one day, my senior partner came to me and said, I can't stand dealing with him.
I'm going to send you.
I said, that isn't fair to our client.
I'm just a kid.
He said, yeah, but at least he talks to you.
So I went and then I started helping to negotiate the contract with the corporate lawyers.
And I knew how to deal with him.
And we became very, very good friends.
Then when I left the law firm and went off to the Reagan administration, came back as U.S. Attorney, we became very good friends.
I would go to ball games.
We would spend plenty of time together.
And it really solidified my friendship with Donald Trump because he was a very good friend of Donald Trump's.
Now, there was a negotiator, George.
And they're not exactly the same.
Nobody is.
I mean, George didn't stay in one position for two minutes.
You thought you had an agreement with him.
And then, wow, wow, wow.
Trump is much more, much more traditional in the way he negotiates.
And then he'll do something completely unpredictable, which is actually in some ways better because with George, you're looking for it all the time.
With Trump, he'll surprise you with it.
And we'll see where and when he does that.
Now, I think one of the columns today warns the president that Although Putin is under great pressure, believe it or not, to agree to a ceasefire in his country, because it's hard to know how popular this war is in his country.
They've lost a lot of people.
They have no enthusiasm for it.
Everyone who's tried to measure the equal amount of morale basically says Ukrainian morale is almost at a high point now and Russian morale, they're having a hard time finding people to fight this war.
So that normally would be a great advantage for us and for Ukraine.
But here we have a man who doesn't care.
care.
He doesn't care about human life.
And he's using, he's doing something.
very, very sinister.
He's using contract soldiers.
They're called contract-contractniki.
They sign up voluntarily for a fixed duration.
They're paid a lot of money and they're very poor.
And their families are theoretically taken care of.
They're paid more than the regular army, more money than they'd ever see in any job for five, ten years.
The regular army, about 25% of it, are the Mobics.
The Mobics are the official army of the Russian government, and they remain in the background and direct the contra-nicki, who are the ones that are getting slaughtered.
And you say, well, how do they get them?
They get them because these people have nothing to live for.
And they pay them money that they have never even thought of in their life.
It would be like, let's take a middle class American.
who's got a mortgage and earns a couple hundred thousand a year.
And you say, I tell you what, I'll pay you twice the salary you're earning.
I'll pay you $300,000 to do this right now.
I'll give you all kinds of insurance for your kids.
And then when you die, your family gets a $500,000 payment, cash straight up.
Well, that family becomes rich.
The percentage of these people who die, who knows?
It's very high.
It's higher than it's hard because you got to know the exact number of contra-nicki that are in there and the exact number of MOBICs and then you'll figure it out.
One reporter says signing.
in the army in many of these very poor provinces of Russia is considered like winning a game show.
And if their loved one is killed in battle, their families get a lavish payout.
And the author says, at least in theory.
I would imagine they have to get it now because people have to see that.
That's not a high morale way to keep a war going.
That's not what's going on in Ukraine.
Now, there are people in Ukraine disgusted with the war.
But the last couple of months, if not from the time that Trump slapped around zelensky the ukrainians developed a certain uh uh pride because even though they don't like zelensky they supported him um and now they're back to not liking him again because of the of the corruption problems and but i mean he is you cannot change horses in midstream that's the horse
we got he's not terribly inspiring looking but Not that not that you know people say he's short well Napoleon was short, but gosh Almighty Napoleon almost conquered the world.
He doesn't have a a A presence and maybe because he dresses up like a bum.
Here, this, what you're showing me here, Ted, the guy, I don't know what they're asking him.
I don't know what they're talking about.
He looks like completely confused and he almost looks like he's ready to fall asleep.
Right.
This is from today.
This is today in Germany.
You see his eyes?
Watch his eyes.
And watch his nose.
Now that you that you can't help, but watch his nose.
We also don't know the pressure he is at home.
Yeah.
To be overthrown.
Right.
I'm not going to make any accusations.
He's under worth noting.
I mean, it's worth noting the condition that the leader, you know, the leader of one of the two sides here is in.
And that's definitely relevant when we're talking about potential peace negotiations.
What's his state of mind?
Of course.
I think it was very, very good that he went to meet with the Europeans because they'll give him some degree of confidence.
I think President Trump in a strange way admires this.
And it's the first thing he's admired about Europe in a long time.
Their solidarity behind Ukraine.
They can actually stand up for something.
You know, part of it is they've been pushed around by Russia for so long.
Like Germany was the most, because of Angela dumbhead, they were the most favorable to Russia.
Now, it is a change in government and Mertz is a much more conservative guy.
But still, it isn't just Mertz.
It's the entire country now has become very anti-Russia.
They've cut off their oil purchases in Russia.
Hurt them to do it, but they did it.
They're very much in favor of a Ukrainian victory.
They don't want to see Ukraine get raped here.
And that's a strong voice because up until then, the other European countries of note would have been more anti-Russia.
Italy also.
Italy had a backdoor relationship with Russia through Berlusconi and Putin being friends.
And that's over.
I mean, that certainly hasn't, certainly that is affecting Georgia Maloney.
Now, Russia can continue to go on in this war because of what I explained to you.
They're doing it with contract troops.
They're looking for, they aren't looking for high quality troops because you know they're going to lose them.
And they just figure they can overwhelm Ukraine with bodies.
Send enough bodies in.
They began the war using convicts.
I think they've gotten rid of most of their convicts.
It is estimated they lose about 30,000 a month.
they're a country of 140 million.
So if they lose 30,000 a month, they've come, they're pushing a million, right?
They're in the war for.
what are the two and a half years or three and a half years?
I think three and a half.
So that would get you, if that number is correct, that would get you over a million.
Now, there's an issue I want to bring up, and I want to bring this up in a way that we don't forget it.
And you and I, all of you out there, get involved in this.
And I'm going to introduce it now, and I'm going to give you a lot more on it tomorrow and the next day.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Do you believe you can convince him to stop?
to stop targeting civilians in Ukraine?
Well, I'll tell you what.
I've had that conversation with him.
I've had a lot of good conversations with him.
Then I go home and I see that a rocket hit a nursing home or a rocket hit an apartment building and people are laying dead in the streets.
So I guess the answer to that is no, because I've had this conversation.
I want to end the war.
It's Biden's war, but I want to end it.
I'll be very proud to end this war along with the five other wars I ended.
It is very commendable.
And I think it is coming through, certainly to the people of the world and to us in America, of course, who love him, but even to those who are neutral about Donald Trump, I think it's coming through that this is a very sincere effort to save lives.
He finds the unnecessary loss of life immoral, indecent.
And since he's been president and willing to negotiate this and settle it, every single person killed should not have been killed.
Now, here's the worst of it, and I was not as aware of this as I should have been.
And I should tell you that Dr. Maria told me about this a few times because this is an area that she's very sensitive to.
to and she doesn't even know I'm doing this and we're going to get her involved in this.
There are alleged to be 19,500 children stolen by the Russian stormtroopers, the animals.
19,500 children.
And Russia is making a business out of it.
Russia is doing state.
sponsored human trafficking.
Oh, let them say no.
Come on.
Bullshit.
They have some of the websites.
It's launched an online catalog.
It's hard to even repeat this.
It's launched an online catalog of kidnapped children, sorting kids by age, eye color, and number of siblings, and listing personality profiles.
So you can figure out how to abuse these kids.
I don't know, the ones that are beautiful, use them for sex trafficking.
The ones that are very smart, see if you can educate them.
and use them in your business.
The ones that are very strong and use them for hard labor.
The ones that may have tendencies to be homosexual or lesbian, use them for gay or lesbian sex trafficking.
Those who you just want to, I guess, use them for experiments.
This is a catalog that they've put out of these.
Now, they claim that these children And the answer is to the extent that Ukraine can get a handle on it, in almost all cases, Russia is lying about that.
They were stolen from their parents.
And not only that, they don't have parents, they have families.
I don't know, you're looking at that little group?
That little group does not look like a group of street children.
Those look like children who were brought up in a home with a mother, a father, a grandmother, a grandfather.
I don't know if you know Ukrainian families, but gosh, if you're Italian or you're Jewish or you're Irish or you whatever the hell you are their families are as strong or stronger than ours this is a very very very strong family-oriented culture and those kids are beautiful those are beautiful innocent children 19,500
this animal has taken this is an invitation to pedophiles this is an invitation to organized criminals Boy, I bet it's affecting the market in America.
Due to Biden, we've become the biggest human trafficking organization or place in the world, America.
America the Beautiful used to be known as the place of greatest freedom.
Now we're the place where you can get children and abuse them the most because of Biden and the Democrats.
And you don't think there's a connection when the Democrats in California reduced the penalties for pedophilia?
Sick bastards?
This has got to be on the agenda.
Right away.
Man, would it change things?
I think this would crack through the unfair coverage of all this.
and put Russia on the defensive where it should be.
President Trump should demand the accounting for and return of the 19,500 children no matter what.
No conditions.
Nothing in return.
Just do it, Vladimir, because if you don't do it, you're sure as hell going to go to hell.
You're sure as hell.
Thank you.
And we intend to make this a worldwide issue.
The fact that it isn't a worldwide issue gives you a sense of how immoral, amoral, godless our world has become there is an article and i i'm relying on that article although i've had intermittent uh uh alerts about this but never the number 19 500 this this article is by katya pavlevich who
is an advisor on abducted Ukrainian children at Razam for Ukraine.
So I would maybe go online and take a look at that.
We will.
This is just an introduction because this deserves a heck of a lot more than what I've just done.
This is an issue that you put over here.
All good people should join this.
There's no reason for taking taking children there's no reason i i that i may be wrong but i don't remember that of the second world war i don't even remember i mean i've kept they did it with the with the jewish people not the nazis did it But I don't remember in other wars, except for the sick Nazis, that anybody had focused on children, taking children.
And I don't even, this is from Donetsk, the kids from Donetsk.
This is what Hamas does too, and Israel doesn't do.
They're wasting so much time falsely accusing Israel of killing civilians when Hamas is killing a lot more civilians, and they just ignore this.
And I don't know.
The media doesn't have like a real love for Russia.
I have no idea why they ignore this.
But I do think, you know, you want to shake this guy up?
I love shaking up negotiations.
Vladimir, before we talk, I want the 19,500 kids back.
I'm doing this because it's good for your soul.
I know you're a Christian.
I know you're an Orthodox Christian.
I'm a Christian too.
And this is something we got to do.
You can't keep these children.
And don't tell me they're offends and don't tell me they were given to you.
I'm not going to listen to that.
The bullshit's got to stop now.
Let's set up a process of getting these kids back.
No matter what, whether you make concessions, whether they make concessions, even whether we get a ceasefire or not.
Let's get the kids out of the war, huh?
Maybe we can do something good before we die, huh?
And then if he doesn't, I'd make it the headline.
Putin kidnapped 19,500 kids to feed his sex trafficking pedophilia ring.
Katya ends her article by saying, Ukrainian children are not bargaining chips, and they'd better be returned.
AS-AP.
We agree with you, Ketchik, and we're trying to get in touch with you.
So if you hear this, we want to help you as much as we can.
Anything we can do to get these kids back, you've got me.
There's no conditions, no, nothing.
Okay?
Russia is also making advances, and I want to show, I think we only have two minutes left, so you're going to have to come over to X. to see my map because if i don't use a map it's not a show and uh but i i do i do want to say that we're all going to talk about something of great concern to me also which is that American support for Israel is faltering.
And we've got to talk about that and how to deal with that because the Israel, the Israel-Iranian issue or the Israel-Islamic extremist issue is an issue that no matter how we resolve, even if we get the maximum great resolution, they're going to be with us for a while.
And you can see the slippage there.
That's just kind of a quick overview, but we'll analyze it for you.
Now, the only group that is solidly behind Israel are the older Republicans.
We are, and I consider myself one of those, we are the group that is almost universally in support of Israel.
And maybe that's because we know what the contribution they made.
And I wish I could convince young people, as we go forward in a very, very dangerous world, you're not going to find a better ally than Israel.
Who can fight like that?
I don't know if you've ever been at a street fight.
But man, if you've got a guy next to you that can fight as good or better than you do, you are 100% better off.
I've had ones where I didn't and ones where I did.
And it's a lot better when you do.
And Israel is punches above its weight.
I mean, they're the ones who completely took off the emperor's clothes, meaning they ripped away all of Iran's proxies.
while Biden was telling them, you know, don't go into Gaza, don't do this, don't do that, don't do everything.
So this is an ally that on every, every, in every respect, this is an ally we should treasure and develop a couple more like them.
Let's say to Japan, Japan, we want you to be like Israel.
They're capable of it.
They're great warriors.
They're great people.
Britain can get back to this.
If they can get, get, get the communist governments out of the way.
Australia used to be fabulous members of NATO.
Now they want the Palestinian state so we can have another terrorist state because they have communists running them.
New Zealand will be right in there.
New Zealand is more left-wing than Australia.
Well, go over to X. We're going to continue this analysis.
And we got a couple of other things to deal with that are really, really important.
A shocking revelation about Chuck E. Schumer, how he's been lying all his life, which may give you an indication of why he's such a big skunk.
And again, we'll get a little deeper into this Israeli thing.
So go over to X, tomorrow night back here on Lindell TV, then X. Now, tonight is Wednesday, correct, Ted?
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