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April 25, 2024 - Rudy Giuliani
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America's Mayor Live (E394): Supreme Court Appears Open to Partial Immunity for POTUS
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Good evening, this is America's Mayor Live, and this is, pause, Rudolph, pause, Giuliani.
Tonight we will be covering, of course we'll be covering what's going on at the various
universities where more and more seem to get added to pause the, I pledge allegiance to the flag
of the Uniwat.
Okay.
We're kidding around.
There's a quote.
There's a, there's a one tonight.
I can't help it.
I know you're not supposed to laugh.
I know you're not supposed to get funny after cannibal.
It was hard to figure what the hell would he say?
He had a pretty good one last night when he says, what did he say?
Something?
Like, everyone knows we failed, or whatever it was.
Play this one now, just listen to this.
There's a big Lyndon Johnson story about this, too.
There's a big Lyndon Johnson story about this, too, that I'm gonna tell you guys a little later.
later. Yes. Four more years. Four more years. Four more years. Four more years. Four more
years. Four more years. Four more years. Four more years.
Four more years. Four more years.
Four more years!
Simple show, a simple statement, an advertisement or whatever.
I've used it for advertisements, of course, and I've used it several times for speeches at the Republican Convention, particularly where I gave the keynote speech twice and I used it.
Now, I did vary from it quite a bit.
The gentleman who did the Spinning of these to say that was a big challenge.
But I do know how to use it.
I've actually helped to teach Donald Trump how to use it, which was not hard.
He got it right away.
There's a little trick to it.
I'll tell you what the trick is.
You read through it.
You don't read it.
Of course you read it.
You don't read it.
You do this.
You read through it.
So that it doesn't break up my... So let's say it's in front of you and me right now.
So instead of instead of reading it like here, Andrew C. McCarthy opening statements got underway in Manhattan Monday morning in Donald Trump's hush money trial.
Obviously I'm reading right.
How about opening statements got underway on Monday morning In Donald Trump's hush money trial.
Former American president Donald Trump was put on trial.
The first American president or ex-president ever put on trial ever in the history of this country.
And right here in the city in which George Washington was made the first president, pause, of the United States.
So that's what happened to Dopey.
He's such a slave to reading this thing that he read the cue notes.
I don't know.
If it tells them take a break, you go to the bathroom.
I might read that, too.
I want to tell everyone that we're going to stick with Israel for as long as I don't stick with Israel, which might be about three o'clock this afternoon.
Time for a break.
Well, let's get back to the more serious issues.
Speaker Johnson, as you know, just at about the time we were on yesterday, spoke.
at Columbia.
It was quite exciting for us because Ted was there.
We'll have Ted describe a little of it, but I was so proud of the speaker and Dr. Maria and I were back here and we were clapping for him, right?
Right, Dr. Maria?
And we were 100% excited about the fact that he went ahead and, man, he just laid it out.
He's not really... Please, Speaker, this is not a criticism.
He's not really a great speaker, but he's quite an honest and straightforward man.
And that all came across and it helped him greatly.
He just told them, you know, the truth about what's going on and how is it that these people are being allowed to support murderers and terrorists.
And that's what they are.
They're out there in the middle of that yard supporting Let's face it, Hamas, they say Palestine, but in the context of what we're talking about now, Palestine and Hamas are about as inextricable as Zionism and the Jewish people.
And also, one has to remember that every Palestinian is trained to kill us.
And somewhere between, I think 85% agree with what they did on October.
On October 7th.
So let's face it.
They're an enemy, a big enemy.
Hamas, the organization, is on the terrorist watch list, on the terrorist list, which means any meaningful help to them is a serious federal crime.
So these people are marching around in their favor, trying to create excellent publicity for them, trying to do propaganda for them, trying to do brainwashing for them.
Well, I mean, it all fits within the definition of meaningful help to the terrorists, which gets you.
I'm going to say as a prosecutor that I'm not even sure I remember the legislative history of this statute, but it probably Gets you right up to the line of violating the statute, but not right over.
Meaning, I would think that for First Amendment purposes, unless you're Trump or me, in which case you'd be guilty if you just said anything, you'd have to have some kind of an action.
Some kind of a, like, didn't exist in all the claims of insurrection with regard to To January 6th.
And I don't see that here.
Awful lot of support.
Awful lot of encouragement.
You're getting really close when you start sending money to them.
I would say I could interpret that as meaningful support and prosecution for that.
So if they send money to them, or if you send money to a group that you know in turn gives money to them and a lot of the humanitarian groups do that.
That's why I objected so strongly to the nine million that Biden is putting in to the to the bill.
Nine, you know, nine million of the so-called 20 billion, rather, going to Israel is going to, not to Israel, it's going to humanitarian groups.
The humanitarian groups are all Hamas-controlled, including the United Nations ones.
That's the biggest one, actually.
The one they control the most is the UNWRA.
And so that's money directly to terrorists.
And if you think they use it to feed the people, of course, you're out of your mind.
You're as naive as those idiots that are out there on the lawn.
President Manouche Safir, who is a fairly new president, but made quite a name for herself in a short period of time, including her testimony before Congress where I would say rather than making a name for herself, she made an idiot out of herself.
Not the first, by the way, Ivy League president to make an idiot out of herself.
And one must question, does it really make sense any longer to send your children to Ivy League schools that charge you anywhere from $60,000 to $90,000 a year to brainwash your kid and make them into an anti-American moron?
An anti-American who can't even defend his position.
So you go see a Chinese communist or a Russian communist.
They may be lying, but they'll be ready to defend their position.
These people are like, I tried really hard the other day.
You probably saw this.
I tried really hard to get him to come over and explain it to me.
I said, would you stop your infantile chanting?
You know?
Justice and peace, justice and peace, justice and peace, justice and peace.
It's really tough to learn that.
Justice and peace.
You got to get the cadence just right too.
Justice and peace, justice and peace.
So I kind of yelled out at them because we were right nearby.
I said, do you realize that comes, that's like 50 years old and it comes from Al Sharpton and Tawana Brawley?
And they looked at me like, who the hell is Al Sharpton?
Who the hell is Tawana Brawley?
I mean, one older guy came over and denied it.
You know, Al Sharpton was a crook and I just said that.
We could agree on the first part, I guess, but I didn't say he did.
Um, so the reality is the president.
However, I must say I'm very, very impressed because she's obviously a big student of, um, of Barry Obama, because.
She put down a red line.
She did.
She put down a red line.
Like, let's see if I have a little piece of paper here.
I could use the back of this one.
You don't mind, Angela, if I use the back of your article?
She went like this.
Red line.
8 a.m.
What was it, on Tuesday?
There it is.
Sorry, sorry.
The, um, 8 a.m.
Wednesday.
On Tuesday night, she said, first it was midnight.
Well, let's give a, let's give a 1 a.m.
Wednesday.
Let's give her one red line on the house.
Okay, fine.
So she gets the midnight one on the house.
So 8 a.m.
Wednesday is the red line that we're holding her to.
Tough Manouche.
Yeah.
Tough Manouche puts out her red line.
By around four in the morning, they're not moving.
The line kind of obliterates a little.
Gets to be about that color.
Gets to be about that color.
All right.
Now, the other color I think I don't have, I don't think I have a yellow here.
The coward color.
I do have, do I have a coward pen?
Like a highlighter.
Do you have a yellow highlighter?
I got it somewhere, but we don't need to put it out.
I mean, it basically just looks like urine.
And, um, which is essentially what she was doing.
She just urinated all over the line and it went away.
Needless to say, nobody was removed at eight in the morning or nine or 10 or 11 or 12.
Or one or two or three, or when Speaker Johnson got there later that day.
I mean, they were in an appropriate place to yell absentees at him, make complete idiots out of themselves, kind of indicate that English is gone as a language in Harvard because they don't have much of a vocabulary.
You're kind of limited to one or two variations of the word F-U-C-K.
I mean, they don't have good vari- I mean, I can go to Brooklyn and get much better vari- much more A literal, much more literal, much more poetic.
I mean, you could do a few things with that word.
They got about two variations.
That's it.
They just keep repeating it like they're little slogans.
See, because, in fact, Bob Craft, the owner of the the owner of the of the Patriots, in taking away his 90 million, billion, million, whatever, is 90 a lot.
Uh, said the biggest change in the school from the time I went there until now is instead of teaching you how to think, they teach you what to think.
And that's not original to Bob, but that is original.
I mean, that is in fact a pretty generic statement, which everyone is entitled to and also applies brilliantly to the situation.
And you can see it because I always get very nervous of the chanting people, unless it's a football game.
You know, a football game, a baseball game, or that's a different thing.
Rah, rah, rah, sis, boom, bah.
I'm for my team.
When you start chanting sophisticated, very, very difficult ideas, moral positions, philosophical positions, you really have subjected them to tiny little thoughts that can be handled by the mind of a basic nitwit.
Because the basic nitwit can't get beyond that, it would create some kind of a brain infarct or something.
So they just repeat, you know, the same thing.
Pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon.
Pigs in a blanket, frying like bacon.
They'll go on for hours like that, and they'll be very, very happy because they have, over a period of time, by spending time with these people, the brain keeps getting smaller, smaller, smaller, smaller, and anything bigger will give them a headache.
So, these people are yelling this stuff out there, and I'm thinking, we're now like, how many hours, when we got there, how many hours past the red line was it?
At this point, it even stopped being a yellow line, like it was no line.
Yeah.
Well, so yeah, we were there hours after.
Probably about four.
At least.
Five.
Yeah, at least.
Really, when you think about it, days, right?
I mean, yeah, we're giving her again, as you were being kind and giving her at least one on the house.
Yeah.
So can I get to a solution right away?
You know how impatient I get with having to describe, and I could go on describing, What they did here, I could go on and describe what happened at NYU where they beat up cops.
200 of them go into court and 200 are let out of court because this is Adams, New York.
This is Ockels, New York.
This is Democrat, New York.
This is beat the shit out of the police and it doesn't matter, New York.
Which is why New York is such a rotten place and why people are leaving like crazy.
And it pains me more than anyone to have to say that.
I think you couldn't find too many people that could sit here that would hurt as much as I do when I see the condition that the Democrats have put this city in.
And I'm going to tell you something.
I knew they would do it.
I knew it my last two years in office.
That's why I made CompStat public.
The only reason you get crime statistics, not because some Democrats figured out how to, they don't run transparent government.
I wasn't afraid of transparent government because I succeeded.
And if I had a couple of setbacks, it was great incentives to fix it real quick.
The Biden administration doesn't even have press conferences.
I don't think the guy has actually had a real press conference ever.
I never remember him coming out there in front of the entire press corps and spending a half hour to an hour in front of the press.
I don't remember him ever doing that.
If he did it, I fell asleep.
I'm sure he never did it.
He tried a couple of times at the beginning and, you know, they got all bollocksed up because he couldn't find his way to the podium.
He would take the wrong notes.
He would read, he would do what he's doing now.
He'd read the notes.
He'd say, I am not supposed to take questions from, and they would actually list the names of the reporters.
Uh, when they realized that, uh, He would have difficulty being a spokesman for the Happy Valley Nursing Home.
They shut him up in his little cage.
And then, you know, sometimes he comes out pumped up with something.
He looks okay.
Other times, he doesn't.
So, shall we take a look at, shall we take a look at the most recent Biden?
Yeah, let's get that on there.
Yeah, just so people...
Four more years...
Four more years!
Imagine what we can do next...
Four more...
You wanna play a couple others here?
Yeah, he... doesn't he talk funny?
Hi, I...
...an army air corps before the air force came along...
The force came on.
He flew those single engine planes as reconnaissance over war zones.
He got shot down in New Guinea and they never found the body because there used to be a lot of cannibals for real in that part of New Guinea.
Play that again and look at the faces of the people in the back an army air corps before the air force came along he flew
those single engine planes as reconnaissance over war zones he got shot down in new guinea and they never
found the body because there used to be a lot of cannibals for real in that part of new guinea i
don't think the people in back could hear him a lot of times when you're in back of a microphone like
that and a speaker the speaker's in front of you, you can't hear him back unless they put a
special microphone up.
But it looked like no reaction to anything there.
I mean, they had just like a straight face.
Or it could be they were all... They know not to, right?
Well, maybe they're all drugged up for that reason.
Well, they just know.
I mean, his sets are... his crowds are so... No, you know when he did the don't?
The famous don't to Iran right before they did?
He did it from the fake office, the fake Oval Office.
That's a weird thing.
But the fake don't.
It is, it is honest.
And how about the, how about the last one?
The, the we, the one that, a we.
Oh yeah.
Trump.
How many times do you have to prove we can't be trusted?
Trump.
How many times do you have to prove we can't be trusted?
And then they left.
Not many.
I think Afghanistan kind of did it, Joe.
Once you proved you couldn't be trusted in Afghanistan, your credibility never returned.
Your poll numbers never really improved much.
And then, of course, you reinforced it with so many other people you got killed.
So many other lies you're told, so many other dastardly acts you're involved in, so many other kinds of morality that you, immorality that you covered up, including personal.
You demonstrated to us your evil nature with regard to your grandchildren, which carries over to how evil you are to us as a people.
Um, you're too, too lazy to go to East Palestine.
You're too lazy to express condolences to police officers or anyone killed in a situation where your policies might've been responsible for, which after all are the people that you should be offering condolences to the most.
It's just going to happen in the nature of a presidency that policies that even a good faith policies, if you have any of those, like I'm trying to think of one, but let's say you had one.
I'd say you had a good faith policy and somebody died as a result of it.
You feel an obligation to say, I'm sorry.
Now, I would think if you had a bad faith policy, like you mostly having people die of it, you'd have a burning desire to at least say, I'm sorry.
Well, you could never do.
The one time you had an opportunity to do that, after you got all those soldiers killed in Afghanistan, you were looking at your watch.
What kind of watch do you have anyway?
It wouldn't be a hell of a watch to look at it that long.
Well, people, well, people are crying while people are crying.
And, um, so I told, I told you that at NYU, everybody was removed.
I still think there's something to the fact that, that, um, Columbia is getting a disparate treatment here from NYU and a couple of the others.
And when I get back, I'll explain why, and it's not because of my own, you know, loyalties about these schools.
I only have only two schools that I'm loyal to.
I'll tell you which ones when we get back.
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Excuse me.
I'm trying to see if my wrist got any bigger for the handcuffs from Arizona and Michigan.
They're getting ready for me and President Trump.
Hmm.
Uh, would you like to make a guess as to what political party the, uh, the district attorney in Arizona is who is reported to have indicted me?
Would you like to make a guess?
Just guess.
Come on.
Don't be shy.
What political party would you think it was?
Comment below, let us know what you're getting.
What about you?
Oh, you're asking me?
Oh, you're, you're asking me.
This is a tough one.
I don't know.
You know, we have such a... What's a Democrat?
Such a fair... You know, the District Attorney of Michigan is a Democrat, right?
Dana Nessel, I sat next to her.
What about the governors of both states?
Whitmer, Democrat.
Oh, yes.
All Democrats.
By the time we're finished, is every Democrat state going to indict him for the same thing?
And then try to tell us it wasn't election interference.
What could possibly be the purpose of four or five years later indicting me, Trump, Meadows, Boris, again, for the same things we were indicted for in Atlanta and his case by the federal government?
What's the purpose of it?
I mean, do you really think you're going to put us in jail in all those places?
Like after my first 20 years in Atlanta, I'm going to go to Arizona.
And then after my next 20 years, I'm going to go to Michigan.
Dare speak the truth.
As Dr. Maria says, no, the whole thing is to scare people so that nobody will tell the truth and come to the aid and defense of an innocent man, Donald Trump.
It's also to tie him up.
Uh, as much as possible in his case in cases.
And it's also to create bad publicity for him, continue to continue to create bad publicity for him.
And they don't care whose lives they ruin among those 18 or 19 people in Arizona and, uh, in, in, um, in Atlanta, they ruined a lot of lives that ruined a lot of us.
And, uh, they're going to do a lot more.
They don't care because they're evil people.
When you indict innocent people, you're evil.
I'm sorry, maybe I'm too rigid a prosecutor, but to me, the worst sin you could commit as a prosecutor is to frame an innocent person, and the Democrats seem to make a hobby of it.
I mean, probably the reason is because they're trying to cover up the fact that they've committed so many crimes that it would almost be impossible to figure out the right level of time in prison for them.
And I get that from the Ukrainian prosecutors who tell me, Rudy, you don't understand what you're... When I first started this and asked questions, they would say, you really want to know about this?
And I said, yeah, I want to defend my client with it.
He said, well, if you ever bring this out, you're going to be the most hated man in Washington.
I said, why?
He said, because it's a lot bigger.
And a lot deeper than just Joe Biden and Biden's money is way beyond what you think.
Well, Biden's money has turned out to be way beyond what I thought.
And I have a suspicion who the other people are and which is why they do everything they can to destroy me.
Including the networks who were fully aware of almost all of this, almost all of it.
So, war cases wasn't enough.
Thank you.
Thank you.
So now they're going to go to six.
And they have the potential, probably.
How many more Democratic states are left?
They could do it in probably another four.
Not every Democratic state would do it.
The prostitute states will do it right away.
And of course, Maricopa County is Democrat prostitute, Detroit's Democrat prostitute.
I'm sorry, I'm insulting prostitutes.
I know that.
By equating you with Monday Democrats.
So Bragg's case, they had a day off today.
The judge is working so hard, particularly during the Passover.
He had actually, there were several days where he sat for two or three hours.
Did you know that?
Absolutely.
Gosh, he's got a tough job.
Poor judge.
Silly face.
What the hell is his name anyway?
I forget.
Munchie.
Judge Munchie.
Judge Moochman?
Murshan.
Oh, Murshan.
Judge Murshan.
That's the one with the daughter who's making a fortune off Trump, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
And, uh, who has donated, that's the one who donated money to Biden.
And you're wondering in a fair country, in a country with a fair system of justice, how can you be the judge in the case?
You know how?
We're not a country with a fair system of justice, and we're not, we're not a country that has justice any longer.
We're, we're a country that is a Democrat, or a city at least, In which we are a democratic dictatorship.
Mershawn does things like, here, I'm the prosecutor.
Your Honor, I need a few minutes to review this new document that I just received.
Oh, Mr. Steinfeld, take five hours.
Then Trump's like, I've got 3,500 documents here to go through, and I need some time to go.
You have two minutes.
I can't possibly go!
You've got two minutes or I'll put you and your client in jail!
And you, Trump, if you say anything, no matter what they call you, you're going to jail.
It doesn't matter what Cohen says about you.
You're not allowed to defend yourself.
You're not!
I don't care if you're running for president.
I want to make sure you lose.
Don't you understand that?
I'm here to make sure you lose.
That's why I impose an unconstitutional gag order on you.
And I know I'll be upheld because my fellow judges are Democrat crooks just like I am.
There's no way that this gag order is constitutional in an American republic that had any respect for the law or among a group of judges that had any respect for the law.
This man's running for president of the United States.
He's being attacked.
He's not allowed to defend himself because judges of the other party, the party he's running against, have shut him up.
Can you imagine anything more banana republic than that?
Yeah, trying a man four times in one year, now maybe five, while he's running for president because he's so insecure.
And these two extra cases probably come about because they're pretty damn insecure about the pieces of crap they already brought.
People are laughing at this, at this, this, um, this Breed case, just like they really laugh at Breed.
They're angry at Breed because he gets some people to kill.
But, um, so the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court, uh, is, uh, taking up the immunity issue and this is an extraordinarily important issue.
Why is it important?
Because one interpretation of it would mean that every single case against Trump involving, particularly the cases involving things that he did as president, would have to be dismissed because he has immunity to do it.
But I do not believe they are going to give him what he is broadly asking for, which is complete immunity for the acts of a president.
I believe the Supreme Court will give him partial immunity.
And what that means is it's got to go, it's going to take forever.
It's going to have to go back to the district judge.
The district judge is going to have to decide whether the things he did fell within his authority as the president of the United States.
The government can argue it doesn't because he was trying to fix an election that he knew he already lost.
He is going to argue he did not know he already lost.
He had available to him a large number of documents, a large number of affidavits, and a great many attorneys who told him that there was fraud in many of these places, in some cases impossible to determine at this point if it affected the outcome, but promising in the sense that it was only the beginning of what they had found.
In other cases, there were experts who evaluated it and said that he had actually won.
There were even experts who said that many of those states that remained open, and he was ahead the night the election closed, were states that normally would have been called for him, he was so far ahead.
And one who said it was mathematically impossible for Pennsylvania to flip 750,000 votes With 60 or 70% of the vote cast.
So I'm telling you all that not to prove that it was stolen, which I think I could have got into court, but not going to do it here.
No, could I, could I really do it here?
What I can tell you is there was a, there was more than a good faith basis to believe that there was a significant fraud.
And that a very serious investigation needed to be had to find out if it got to the level of giving us an incorrect result in the election.
And he wasn't allowed to even say that, much less think it.
But there's nothing criminal about his thinking that.
And it is within his prerogatives as president to examine the integrity of any election, including his own, because his own is for the highest office in the land.
So, I mean, the classical answer would be, What he did, he did within the scope of his authority as president.
Therefore, you can't prosecute him for it.
And they're going to say, no, he went beyond it because he knew.
He knew.
And the district judge, who is a puppet of the Democrat dictatorship in Washington, I don't even know why they're going to have a hearing in front of him, except you have to establish the facts.
She's probably writing the decision already, which is that he has no immunity.
President's not above the law or he has no immunity.
What they've done to this guy is put him below the law.
This above the law thing gets me sick.
So she'll write her opinion and it's written already and she'll take six months to do it and then the Court of Appeals will take it and we'll probably get a two to one decision because that's basically the ratio at which the Democrats out vote the Republicans affirming her.
And then we'll get to the Supreme Court And we'll see what happens.
Now, this case they heard today gives me a hint.
Roberts has trouble with the Biden argument.
That's very bad for them.
Because if anybody's going to—four conservatives are going to remain very, very solid on this.
And that's, of course, Alito, who did most of the questioning.
And critical and brilliant.
Thomas, who did a little of it, equally brilliant.
Gorsuch, don't remember.
And in this particular case, I would say they have Kavanaugh.
Roberts, I'm sorry, Roberts.
So the question becomes, because Roberts virtually said, although he didn't outline the scope of it, that it has to be some form of immunity for a president.
He can't do the job without some form of immunity.
It can be qualified, but there has to be some form of immunity.
Well, the judge gave him the benefit of no immunity, so the case gets reversed.
goes back where the judge is going to have to apply the standard that the Supreme Court sets up.
Now, to get there, we need two votes.
One of two votes.
We need Amy Comey Barrett, or we need, once again... Oh, that's the only vote we need, right?
We need her vote.
Yeah, if we have her vote, we got it, right.
And in a series all six, are we?
Well, I don't know about her.
I didn't get her.
I should also announce that, because I see it, Harvey Weinstein, who looks like a dying old man, was released today because his case was overturned.
Now, you're going to say, oh, isn't that terrible?
He was a very bad man.
Yeah, but even very bad men are entitled to fair trials.
And I don't know the details of that case.
Uh, the way I should.
I know some of it because, um, the law firm is the same law firm that's representing me in several of my cases.
So I hear them talk about it and it seemed to me, it seemed to me that, um, uh, that it was a pretty darn good argument.
Uh, the prosecutors of modern prosecutors ability to violate the law is frightening.
Absolutely frightening.
And when they get a celebrity case, they're worse.
The judges are?
No, the prosecutors.
Too much ambition.
Too much ambition and too little education and ethics.
And I'm going to tell you, I'm going to play old man, but that never would have happened.
Under my bosses.
It would never happen under me.
I was going to say it wouldn't happen under you.
But I'm telling you there's a reason it would never happen under me.
Because it never would happen under my bosses.
That's the way I was trained.
I didn't make up the rules.
I was trained.
We took no solace in an unfair trial.
We would take no solace in winning unless you won by the rules.
Even that.
But it's not the game.
It isn't the rules.
If all of a sudden, in the middle of a case, it appeared that the person was innocent, we dropped the case.
Did it?
Yeah.
Even if it came to a point where you had some substantial doubt, get rid of it.
I was not appointed to put innocent people in jail.
In fact, I was appointed to do justice, which means to protect the rights of innocent people.
Which could include sometimes the person arrested.
Now you can't encompass both those thoughts in your head and lawyers are supposed to be pretty smart, right?
Yeah.
You can't carry both those thoughts in your head.
You can't be a prosecutor.
If you're emotionally incapable of thinking in a sophisticated way, then you've got to find a different job.
Um, you can't, I think there's an expression in the, in a bar that goes like, you can't believe your own shit.
You've got to be able to think objectively.
You've got to be able to think about the other side.
You need to do it for tactical reasons to be a good trial lawyer.
You need to be like a good general.
You got to think of what's the army going to do to you, not just what are you going to do to them.
Yeah.
But in the long run, in the long run, you've got to do it because as Justice Jackson said, the ultimate role of a prosecutor is to do justice.
Not to obtain convictions.
And boy, hard to find them right now, right?
Particularly on the Democrat side.
You look at this crew they got.
Smith, who's got a record of being dishonest and dishonorable, who's got a record of doing exactly what they're asking him to do, to get somebody convicted unfairly, just so it can be done before the election.
And then after the election, it gets reversed with the Supreme Court saying in the particular case that Smith was in, that he was the real reason for it.
Real reason for the innocent man being convicted.
I got to tell you about Fannie Ho, her level of ethics.
Whoa.
And by the way, it's about a third.
It's only a third.
You got about a third of it.
And then Bragg.
Did you guys read the article today in the Post?
That Bragg's net worth is $40 billion dollars.
$40 million dollars.
Thank you.
That was in the Post?
I don't think, is it true?
Was that in the Post?
Yeah.
Well, I trust the Post.
I trust, I mean, I trust the New York Post.
That's, I mean... What a communist!
Yeah.
Yeah.
Communism, sure.
He's a top communist.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, you can't get upset about, uh, I remember once saying that when I was a young child, very naive, saying to President Bush, I don't understand why Putin wants to keep hanging on to his job.
You know, why don't he go out of office, make some money, and then later he can come back?
And Putin started laughing at me.
He said, because he's never going to make as much money outside of office.
He's the highest paid man in Russia, in the world.
I said, how?
He said, it's a crooked country.
I told you, that's right.
That's right.
That's interesting.
In fact, you can take a big drop and pay if he leaves.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They'll also probably kill him.
Yeah.
He's almost a prisoner of that position now.
I had some very naive ideas.
I couldn't figure out why Berlusconi and Putin liked each other.
And Bush, the son, told me because they like to exchange women.
Berlusconi likes Russian women and Putin likes Italian women.
Bunga bunga parties.
And they like to exchange women.
Nice, nice, nice, right?
Very nice.
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...of a chief executive is something that everybody cried out against.
It's unconstitutional.
And what George Washington said is, we're worried about factional strife, which will... No, I'm also... Let me put this worry on the table.
If the potential for criminal liability is taken off the table...
Wouldn't there be a significant risk that future presidents would be emboldened to commit crimes with abandon while they're in office?
It's right now the fact that we're having this debate because the OLC has said that presidents might be prosecuted.
Um, presidents from the beginning of time have understood that that's a possibility.
That might be what has kept this office from turning into the kind of, uh, crime center that I'm envisioning.
But once we say, no criminal liability, Mr. President, you can do whatever you want, I'm worried that we would have a worse problem than the problem of the president feeling constrained to follow the law while he's in office.
I respectfully disagree with that because the regime you've described is the regime we've operated under for 234 years.
There has not been an expectation based on 234 years of unbroken political and legal conditions that that may occur.
All right, let me ask you another question.
Let me ask you another question about this.
What do you think of that?
I think he's right.
I mean, But I do, I actually don't agree with him and how far he has argued this.
Okay.
I don't, I, I, I, I think he is, I think he's going to win.
And I think he's with, has a very, very sophisticated court, but I don't think you can justify the argument of complete immunity for the president.
I don't see how you can say that the president cannot be indicted and tried For anything that he does while he's president.
I think the immunity has to be focused on his official duties.
So, for example, if he killed his wife, no immunity.
But isn't that how it's taught in law schools?
Official duties, right?
Uh, no.
They're arguing for complete immunity.
Now they are.
But, but... It's not taught in law school because that's never been decided.
Okay.
It's not, it's never, it's never, I mean, is that the bet, is that the better, is that the... Common sense.
Is that the...
Majority opinion?
Yes.
Is it the law?
No.
They're going to make the law.
Right now there is no law.
And if you listen to Washington, you can justify complete immunity, because they didn't go into detail.
They were speaking quickly.
But when they said immunity, they surely didn't mean you go around killing people while you're president.
What they meant was, Within the scope of what you have to do as president, if you make a mistake or you commit a crime, you're protected because it's such a complex thing that you're doing that it's very, very easy for you to do either.
So I think they're not going to buy the argument on the Biden side, which is no immunity of any kind, which means you can prosecute him for anything.
Which is really going to hurt Biden when he gets out of law.
Wow.
Yeah.
I mean, the guy told us that he violated the constitution a few times.
Oh, I know I can't do this, but I'm going to do it.
Um, like, uh, the, the, the loans, uh, giving the loans to the children.
He didn't do it for the longest time.
He said, I don't have the power to do it.
Then he did it.
The Supreme court told me I'm the power to do it again.
I mean, that's almost like asking, uh, to go to jail, but, um, But if there was limited immunity or qualified immunity, that would be covered.
He'd be allowed to have done that.
On the other hand, if he goes outside and he smashes somebody on the head for no reason because he's demented, which is possible, I guess, the only defense he has is the one that her gave him, which is he's too mentally ill to understand what he's doing.
Which may be true.
I mean, you watch him talk and, I mean, he really is stupid as, I mean, unbelievably stupid things that he says, right?
It is beyond, it's beyond parody at this point.
It's beyond, right?
It's, it's, it's hard to, it's hard to, and it's getting like, and you've argued this, you were arguing this over a year ago, Mayor, uh, just how much it, He is going to decline before the election, because now we're seeing it.
Now he's, you know, he used to kind of slip up with the teleprompters.
Now he just straight up is just reading every, you know, just screwing up and not even... Yeah, I'm actually surprised that he's still functioning at all.
Because sometimes, sometimes it really, the whole mind gets Strangulate.
Well now they just they just don't put him out.
Now if he's if he's not in position to be out there in front of people they just don't doesn't matter what it you know like the night Israel uh was attacked by Iran.
I don't believe the president came out did he?
Joe Biden did not come out.
He was out there when he read we and he meant to say I. Yeah.
So therefore he condemned himself or he meant to say Trump.
Exactly.
Condemned himself.
Yeah.
But if he's too bad, they just don't put him out now, right?
So they won't.
They do.
They do put him out.
I mean, they put him out very sparingly.
But look, look in the last week, all the mistakes he has made.
Okay, so I guess I'll rephrase what I'm saying.
When we don't see him, I'm just gonna assume, well, I don't want to assume because that makes an ass out of all of us, I'm going to come to the conclusion that he's just too bad to come out, right?
So that's how it could be.
But aren't there times you think when he has to come out and therefore they gotta put him out even though he is bad?
Historically, yes.
However, for example.
You mean when he was saying that stuff about we?
Yeah.
And when he was getting all confused the last couple of days, he was out because he's in good shape.
Good enough.
They made the determination that... I wonder what happens when he's not capable of coming out.
Then you don't see him.
And even if it's like debating Trump, if they don't think they can get him in good enough shape to extend a period of time, he will debate.
How often has he stood there and not known Secretary of Defense Carter's name?
20?
Yeah, there are some things that he can't remember.
For some reason, that one just escapes him.
He can't get his name.
Yeah.
Oh, the guy.
Yeah.
The defense guy.
Yeah.
Now let me introduce you to President Harris.
Yeah, that's another one.
That's happened maybe eight times, ten times.
And there might be some for you.
There might be something there.
That might be a deeper... Like he's hoping.
He's hoping.
Please just take over.
I don't know what I'm doing.
That's the risk they take every time they put him out there.
But I think what we're going to see, and it's going to be a challenging question, Mayor.
For example, you would think that he has to debate, right?
You would think in American politics, at least, I would think a candidate is not going to get away in America.
We love competition.
The idea that a candidate can just say, I'm not going to debate, they won't do it if they don't think they can get them in a good spot for an hour.
They just won't do it.
Yeah.
They have a very difficult choice because they don't control everything.
The disease is the disease and there's a point in time when it's going to get worse and you can't completely predict it, maybe a little bit.
And could it happen all of a sudden that he just cracks up?
Mitch?
Mitch McConnell?
It could happen.
Mitt broke down for a short period, which I think is a different kind of a situation.
If he goes down through dementia, he may go down for good.
He may just black out, and then he never really talks again.
You know that happens.
It happens with Alzheimer's and it happens with Ronald Reagan.
But if that, if what happened to McConnell happened, even if what happened to McConnell, that short, but if that happens to the president of the United States, that's a big, right?
That would be.
That would be, it would be a national disaster.
The president of the United States had, you know, five seconds of, uh.
He's almost there now.
That I would not, I would, if it were appropriate to take book on this, I would bet that between now and election day, he gets a couple of, uh, he's almost right there.
Right?
Right.
And he talks like that, very, I really would like to know what causes the talk like that, which I call old person's talk, right?
Got to be something going on up here.
That affects your speech.
But that isn't the way he talked even eight or nine years ago.
He didn't talk like that.
And then when he looks around.
That's eight people in the room.
Yeah.
But you're right, Mayor.
They've been putting them out there quite a bit.
We've seen these.
And that's why we've seen these gaffes, of course.
Well, I think they want to put them out there because Trump is on trial.
On TV all day.
They want to take advantage of it, maybe.
Thinking that, well, you know, that's the idea, but they're... These gaps are getting worse.
Yeah, I think they are getting worse, but now they're so accepted that you really have to do something rather extraordinary like blank out or just go off into a total... I don't know, what else can you do?
He has gone off into a totally fictitious story.
How do you know how much my uncle was eaten by cannibals?
Well, and the 18-wheeler comment, how he drove an 18-wheeler.
These are all within the last few days.
Mr. President, how much of them?
I mean, the whole thing, or just the parts?
Were there any leftovers?
How shameful.
What a nasty thing to say.
Were there any leftovers?
What a nasty thing to just assume.
Did anybody try to make some commercial profit off of it?
Yeah, there is the racist element.
Was there cans made up?
Tans, right?
Yeah.
How did they, how did they package the leftovers or what?
Did the Apaches cook, cook it or not?
It's, it's, we, it's, it's absolutely absurd, Mayor, what we're seeing each and every day.
And then with, with the president on trial, um, and they're trying to wear him down and, and they're not, and they're not letting up.
If anything, they're, they're doubling and tripling down.
Well, what happens alone in the White House?
Well, yes.
So these protests, do you think that could actually, could that help?
In the end, that could help President Trump, right?
If these silly protests, independents or common sense Democrats, if those exist anymore, or people on the sidelines, they might see this and just think, what is going on?
Or is it not nearly bad enough yet?
Oh, it's bad, Ralph.
My goodness, I think there are Democrats that have switched from you.
Well, I think a lot of the Jewish... I think you see the Jewish thing.
You read it in letters to the editor, but you never know how representative a letter to the editor is.
It could easily be just one aberration, one person feeling that way.
Oh, and you would think among the Jewish voters, there'd be complete abandonment of it.
Complete.
Because he not only doesn't support them, he lies to them.
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You know, among other things, you might have missed and everything else, that Biden has put sanctions on Israel for their intrusion into Gaza.
And killing civilians.
And it's about $10 million, which would wipe out, you know, about half, more than half of what we gave.
We didn't give them very much either.
We gave them $17 billion to, or $60 billion for Ukraine.
And of that, of the billions that we gave them, we took out Already $8 billion for humanitarian aid from Israel's money, and the sanctions are going to knock them down another $10 billion, which will leave them with about $7 billion.
Not exactly the way you treat a friend, right?
But I mean that's been a that's been a fiction for quite some time that they're really friends
uh bb bb and uh
and uh And biden shared totally different view of the world
One is a very strong and courageous man and a bold man.
The other one is afraid of his own shadow and is very, very dumb.
Uh, how they get along with each other up until this point, I really don't, I really don't know, nor, nor, nor could I have any possible explanation for, uh, Bibi is also among other things.
Not only is he a dishonest man.
He's really a gadfly.
He doesn't have any real interests, any real ability to discuss anything seriously.
The last book that he read, I think, had a lot of pictures.
So they couldn't possibly be, you know, there's too much of a gap in their intellect for them to be good friends.
And I mean, maybe if he was a special case and he needed help and,
he would do a sort of, how would you say, poetically.
I mean, not poetically, but religiously or to just help him.
But he's not that kind of, he's not that kind of impaired.
He's not special in that sense.
He's just plain mean, ornery, nasty, dishonest, evil, and stupid.
You don't want to really help somebody like that too much.
If we could help him to the door, it would be good.
Uh, Trump is trying in its worst way to do that.
Wouldn't be a bad idea if he lifted the Irish sanctions, uh, rather the Israeli sanctions, um, and made sure that the money got to Israel, that the 10 million that we took from them, we're giving them so little.
You sure as heck don't want to have, uh, them down, uh, money that they were expecting to get when we're giving away the store to Ukraine.
Without any, any, any, any accountability for it.
And also, worse than that, with no plan for this war.
I mean, it seems to me that you can close your eyes and look into the future and say, you know, five years from now, or eight years from now, or two years from now, or maybe even a year from now, we'll be trying to figure out peace there.
And it's going to be something for Russia and something for them.
The idea that we're going to just toss Russia out I don't see it.
I mean, I don't think an American president is, is giving him, um, solace that way.
Let's put it that way.
So we'll be back tomorrow night.
We'll have plenty for you then.
We'll get, we'll get to see, uh, what happens when they come back on, on a trial.
And, um, we'll see if we, we'll see if we can, uh, We'll see if we can give you a little bit of an update on the election and how it's tending right now because things are a little bit settled now and I think we might be able to see some interesting data in the polling that's going on.
I think minds are starting to change now.
People are starting to get more serious.
We'll see.
Well, first of all, God bless all of you. God bless the people of Israel. God bless
the people of the United States. And God bless America.
Thank you.
Yeah, I can see it.
And I just feel like, it's just, it's a little cold.
It's so cold.
I just feel like it's just a little bit more comfortable.
It's so cold.
It looks like he likes to eat.
It's so cold.
It's so cold.
He was what?
He might have to get him some water.
So is this eye okay?
No, you're fine.
You're fine.
It looks fine.
It's kind of messy there.
It takes a little time.
It's kind of messy there.
It takes a little time.
I can probably get him some water.
It takes a little time.
It's kind of messy there.
He's going to be fine.
I'm going to make a black face.
I'm going to come back. I'll pick up.
Brother, hey, you want to say a few words about what you're doing out here?
Well, I'm an alumni and I've been watching this on Instagram, so I decided to come in and see what I could do and see what was going on in the ground and show solidarity.
So they weren't kicked out of this area after all?
Not yet.
I'm definitely not the person with answers, but I guess everyone is still here.
Is there a reason Columbia the folks here at Columbia have had such a forceful, have
been protesting with such force the last few days or is this kind of part of a larger
movement?
Or is there something specific to Columbia?
Is there a reason why?
Well, I mean Columbia 1 does have a history of it.
So there's a 1968...
History of?
Similar...
I don't have my mic on so I'm sorry.
A history of what?
Like in 1968 there was a big class movement and protest that was very similar to this.
So the people that organized this had done their homework and modeled it after the 1968 one during the Vietnam War.
There was similar in the 80s with apartheid from South Africa.
Okay.
And right now, and I haven't been on campus, but from what I understand, just the tension that has been on campus all semester, what I've been hearing about from people that have been still out, and I don't know what your experience is in places and events where things kind of explode.
Yeah.
But they don't just, it doesn't just happen.
There's kind of a There's a lot of people not feeling that they weren't heard.
There's a lot of people feeling that they can't communicate.
There's a lot of anger about what's going on, as well as just... And, you know, there's also a new president of the university who, for her first year, was not able to deal with the current tensions.
And so they just seemed to rise until something kind of happened.
What's the goal here?
What do you think the... I guess we'll call it a more short-term goal.
Sure.
Well, I mean, I'm speaking as an individual, and I'm speaking from my own experience, but With non-violence in general is that you want to show that you are a group of people that are positive, that are helpful, that are nice to be around.
But when you do the camp here and you get into the news, when you get into the press, you're also bringing the issue into the press.
And it's part of changing the national narrative.
So there is this national narrative of there's anti-Semitism, of just these rowdy kids.
I'll come back.
We're going to go back and see.
I think Speaker Johnson is about to speak.
It looks like there's a lot going on.
All right.
Thank you for talking to us.
No problem.
I'm going to be the first to bear the principle of common sense and rational discussion to
the issues of our day.
Thank you.
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