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The Sage of South Central | Guest: Larry Elder | Rudy Giuliani | November 22nd 2022 | Ep 292
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Hello, this is Rudy Giuliani back with Rudy's Common Sense, and today's episode will prove to be really, really fascinating.
We have with us a very special guest, the sage of South Central, very, very deserving of that title, someone who brings a great deal of insight, wisdom, understanding, knowledge to America, sorely needed, Larry Elder.
And ran a very, very important race for governor of California in the long, long process of hoping to bring California back into the Republic.
Like we're trying in New York, so I don't feel bad saying that we're in the same position.
Larry, it is a great honor to have you.
You know, I think you're one of our very special voices helping America.
Well, Mr. Mayor, as always, thank you very much for coming on.
Thank you for the kind tweet you did about my show.
You tweeted something to the effect of that Larry's show on Epic Time, which, by the way, you can see on Larrywithepoch.com.
You said the show was required viewing, and I sent it to the whole company, and they were just blown away by that.
So thank you again for that, Mr. Mayor.
I appreciate it.
Oh, it is.
It is.
It's a fine publication.
One of the best in America.
I look forward to Look forward to it every day, and then I look forward to the weekly edition, and I particularly look forward to your show and your observations.
They're always very insightful, and we learn something from it.
Can I just go back a little bit, because I just think your two documentaries, Black Lives, the second one taking on Black Lives Matter, but the whole two documentaries on Uncle Tom were seminal, seminal works that brought together Many things that black conservatives, black Republicans and others have written about the difficulties and the problems and the issues.
But you brought it together like you always do in a concise way where people could really understand it.
And then you lived it when you ran.
It was almost as if you lived out what you had written about.
How bad was that race, Larry, when you ran for governor?
Well, it was bad, bad in the sense of the way I was treated by the media, but I anticipated that.
One writer for the L.A.
Times, her initials are Erica D. Smith, wrote a piece, Mayor, headline, Larry Elder is the black face of white supremacy, sub-headline, you've been warned.
And another writer for the L.A.
Times referred to my views as white supremacists.
Opposed by the L.A.
Times.
They did an editorial opposing the recall itself, calling it undemocratic and supporting the retention of Governor Gavin Newsom.
The Sacramento Bee, very influential newspaper, same thing.
So I was treated the way I pretty much thought I was going to be treated by the media.
Having said that, I thought the race was something.
It was exhilarating.
I had never run for anything before other than third grade class president.
I thought you did.
You never had one before?
In my life, are you kidding me?
I never thought about being a politician.
Oh, I remember that, yeah.
I always thought of politics as a spectator sport.
I never ridiculed politicians the way some of my colleagues on talk radio do, and I knew it was a hard gig.
But I'd never in a million years ever thought about running for office.
I was approached by so many people I respect, like Dennis Prager, without whom I wouldn't be on the radio, my pastor, Pastor Jack Hibbs, a man named Lionel Chetwin, who's a conservative filmmaker who became the A chair of my campaign and a local activist named Jenny Sand, who kept writing me and telling me that I had a shot to perhaps win on a recall election.
Because on a recall election, 50% plus one voted to recall Gavin Newsom.
Whoever got the greatest votes on the replacement side, and there were 46 candidates, counting myself, would become governor.
So conceivably, I could become governor with as many, which is little as 30 or 35% of all the votes cast,
had the ball carry them the right way.
Now, as you know, 50% plus one did not vote to recall him.
But on the replacement side, I got 3.5 million votes, more than virtually all the other 45 combined.
I carry 57, 58 counties.
The only one I lost was San Francisco.
And I lost that by way for 149 votes.
Now the party itself did not endorse me, either state or local.
They wanted a guy named Kevin Faulkner, who was a two-term mayor of San Diego.
I carry San Diego County by 30 points.
And we raised $22 million in seven and a half weeks.
I got in with seven and a half weeks left, 150,000 individual donations.
Half of them were from outside of California.
And when the race was over, I went to Key West with my girlfriend and kind of just chill out.
And so many people kept buying me drinks, buying me dinner, which is why I've been able to lose it.
And many of them said, Mayor, no kidding, Larry, you should consider running for president.
And so now I'm giving it very strong consideration.
And I spent some time in Iowa recently, New Hampshire recently.
I endorsed Zach Nunn who won his house race in Iowa.
I endorsed some people in, uh, in New Hampshire who didn't unfortunately win, but I've made some inroads, met some people, and I'm giving strong consideration to running for president.
I'm under no illusions.
I'm not doing it to displace anybody.
And I'll do the same thing as I did when I ran for governor, which is I didn't say one single negative thing about my Republican rivals.
They did not return the favor, but I didn't say one negative thing about any of them because the issue is crime and homelessness and cost of living and the way the man shut down the state in a more severe way than anybody else in California and so forth.
But there are two things I think I bring to the table, Mayor, that I think the other candidates don't.
The first is this.
I believe the central domestic problem in America is a large number of children who enter the world without a father in the home married to the mother.
70% of black kids, that's their situation.
And Obama said a kid raised without a father is five times more likely to be poor and commit crime, nine times more likely to drop out of school, and 20 times more likely to end up in jail.
40% of all American kids enter the world without a father in the home married to the mother.
It is a national scandal, and I feel that our side does not talk enough about that.
The second thing is this, Mayor, this nonsense about America being systemically racist.
When Obama got elected, he got a higher percentage of the white vote than John Kerry did four years earlier.
When he entered the White House, he had a 70% approval rating, even though he only won with a little more than 52% of the vote.
Why?
Because so many people who didn't vote for him nevertheless said, OK, I don't want this health care thing.
I don't want this strength through peace thing.
I want somebody who, however, will be a racial reconciliator.
And they thought at the very least, Obama would put a fork in the notion that America is systemically racist.
And so when he entered the White House, the majority of blacks and whites
thought race relations would improve.
When he left, both blacks and whites thought race relations got worse.
Because every time he had a chance to say something conciliatory, he went the wrong way.
Whether it was the Cambridge police acted stupidly, a fight with somebody who looked like Trayvon,
mentioning Ferguson to the United Nations, even though Ferguson was a fraud,
embracing Black Lives Matter, saying that racism is in America's DNA, he picked up the race card
and played it time and time and time again.
Why?
Because the politician in Obama knows that in order to get 90-95% or so of the black vote, you have to get black people angry and believing that America is systemic racist.
So he's made things worse.
I want to talk about the fact that America is a country of hopes and dreams and ambition.
If you work hard today in America, no matter your race, no matter your religion, no matter your sexual orientation, you can realize your God-given potential to the extent that no other country in all of human history can offer.
My father never knew his biological father, so it's not a death sentence.
He cleaned toilets for a living, two full-time jobs.
He started a little cafe in his late 40s when my dad retired at the age of 82.
Wow, I want to ask you so many questions.
And he was a lifelong...
Life long...
And a Marine, right?
And a Marine.
He was a sergeant in charge of cooking for the colored soldiers.
And when he got out, he tried to get a job as a cook.
And he was told in Chattanooga where he met and married my mom, we don't hire N-words.
Wow.
I want to ask you so many questions.
How did he not...
I hate to get off the point, but how did he not...
How was he not bitter as a...
So many people become bitter reading about you and reading about him.
He obviously was just the opposite of that.
Well, that generation did not become bitter.
My father was a God believer.
My father was a patriot.
As you mentioned, he joined the Marines.
My father was somebody who believed in hard work, entrepreneurship, and in family.
And that is why I did Uncle Tom and Uncle Tom 2, which, by the way, you can see on UncleTom.com.
Please, please see it.
It's fabulous.
After slavery, despite Jim Crow, despite cross burnings, despite KKK, despite all the obstacles, black people kept moving forward.
Why?
Because of belief in God, a belief in patriotism, even if America was not living up to its ideals, a belief in entrepreneurship.
And it was rare for a black kid to be born to a home where the father was not married to the mother.
It was extremely unusual.
In fact, in fact, Mayor, A black kid during slavery was more likely to be born under a roof with his biological mother and biological father than today.
And what's happened, the reason I did Uncle Tom 2, is to show all of those things I mentioned.
Belief in God, belief in patriotism, belief in entrepreneurship, are all under attack by organizations like Black Lives Matter, which is co-founded by self-described trained Marxists.
Marx, of course, was an atheist who wanted to dethrone God.
Marx did not believe in capitalism, let alone entrepreneurship.
And on the Black Lives Matter website, they attacked the nuclear family.
So all these things are under attack by people that have, in my opinion, subverted the civil rights movement and altered it from one that sought equal rights to one that seeks equal results, and no one is entitled to equal results.
So we talk about the infusion of communism and Marxism and collectivism into the righteous civil rights movement that has tortured it and turned it into something that was very different than what Martin Luther King really wanted.
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I think that's an excellent analysis.
And of course, uh, uh, your second documentary, uh, Takes that up very, very clearly and shows how Eric Mann was the mentor for Patrisse Cullors.
And I'll tell you one thing about Patrisse Cullors, whatever else you think about her, she's honest.
She tells you straight out, I mean, none of this fooling around.
I'm not really a Marxist.
I'm a socialist.
She said, I'm a trained Marxist.
Dedicated, trained Marxists and communists.
So we know what we're dealing with, except nobody wants to accept it on their side.
I remember when Black Lives Matter first emerged, I went and read about it and they had on their website then their second goal was to break up the nuclear family and particularly get rid of fathers.
Now, in New York, there's a very, very big movement that was very successful, and it helped bring down crime because we encouraged it, particularly of black police officers fathering children who don't have fathers.
And we got some wonderful results with that.
And then they would get friends of theirs to do it.
And then they brought white police officers in.
And just the thing they needed was fathers.
It was almost as if you wanted to destroy You know, and what's pathetic about this is you could argue that the three or four biggest, most influential so-called black leaders in America are Barack Obama, who was raised without his biological father, did not see him last saw him when he was 10 years old, wrote a whole book about it, that the pain this caused him.
And Obama has talked a little bit about absentee fathers, but not very much.
Jesse Jackson grew up in South Carolina.
His mother was a teenage mom who got impregnated by the married man who lived next door.
And Jesse Jackson was teased.
Jesse ain't got no daddy, Jesse ain't got no daddy.
Yet he rarely talks about that.
Al Sharpton had a nice middle-class life until his father ran away with another woman
and then down to the hood he went.
Louis Farrakhan, his mother was estranged from her husband, had a boyfriend, briefly took back up with the husband,
got pregnant, didn't want the boyfriend to know and tried to abort Louis Farrakhan with a co-handler.
And my point is, these are four major so-called black leads in America, and they rarely talk about the number one problem facing the black community, which is a large number of kids, as I said, who entered the world without a father in the home, married to their mother.
They're always talking about racism, racism, racism.
This is a far, far bigger problem than the racism that remains in America.
And the racism that remains in America is minor.
I'm not saying all cops are good.
But they should be dealt with on a case-by-case basis.
It is far less than 1% of bad cops.
In fact, more unarmed whites are killed every year than unarmed blacks.
But we don't care about when an unarmed white gets killed.
When an unarmed black person gets killed, in comes CNN, in comes Van Jones, in comes MSNBC, and so forth.
And giving you false impression that the police are engaging in systemic racism against black people when they are in fact are not.
You know, there was when the riots came to New York back in 2020.
And I remember going on television and they were saying, well, you know, the New York City Police Department has always had a problem with racism and, and they were shocked to find out that we're not a majority white police department.
Haven't been since the third year I was mayor.
Now I didn't do that all myself.
That was a 10 year effort that goes back to Ed Koch, David Dinkins, and me to make it a, A minority police department.
No one group dominates the police department.
And the number of racial incidents we've had every year, as we reduce crime, instead of going up, they went way down.
Of course, the ones that happen are monumental.
So if you have one, it looks like you had 50.
But the reality is the police department in New York Under Bratton, Safer, Bernie Kerrick, and Kelly.
All four of them were very, very tough on that.
And they pushed it out of the department.
It's not there anymore.
Maybe there's a cop here, or a cop there, or a cop here.
But it's very, very rare.
Mayor, same thing in LA.
I'm in Los Angeles.
Los Angeles is roughly 40% Hispanic, as is the LAPD, roughly 30% white, as is the LAPD, 10% Black, as is the LAPD, and the remainder are Asian-Americans, as is the LAPD.
We had back-to-back Black police chiefs, including when O.J.
Simpson murdered two people.
And still, people ran around talking about the racist criminal justice system and Mark Fuhrman planted the glove and all that BS.
And by the way, Black Lives Matter started not because of Michael Brown, but because of the death of Trayvon Martin by a neighborhood watch guy.
And of course, George Zimmerman, the man who shot and killed Trayvon Martin, was found not guilty by a jury.
Now, it's true there were no blacks on the jury, but there was a black alternate who said he would have ruled the same way, not guilty.
And none of the jurors said that race entered their calculation whatsoever.
So the whole basis for Black Lives Matter is fraudulent.
Yeah.
Now, Larry, you've made a couple of What would you call putting your foot in the water kind of trips to New Hampshire?
So what do you think has to be done to overcome where we are?
People are so discouraged.
And I think maybe they were let down by that.
They had too high expectations for this election.
And just generally, I mean, I don't want to sound like just a prejudiced Republican, but Biden doesn't do anything right.
If there's a wrong decision to make, he figures it out and makes it.
It's uncanny.
It's uncanny.
And then just when you think he's kind of straightened out, he gets Cambodia mixed up with Colombia.
And you wonder, what are you dealing with?
So what do you tell people we have to do to get charge of this and start going on a positive course?
Well, when you look at the data, it suggests we should have done better.
77% of Americans believe we're on the wrong track.
58% of Americans believe that America's best days are behind them.
Only about 4 or 5% believe we're on the right track.
One would have thought we would have done a lot better, but I think there were a number of factors.
The first is, I underestimated the anger that so many people on the left, Democrats and Independents, had over the reversal of Roe v. Wade.
Even out here in California, The governor won overwhelmingly his reelection, but even in districts where his opponent won, there are some conservative districts in California, the majority of voters still voted for what's called Proposition 1, which so-called codified abortion.
Even though abortion essentially is not going to change here in a red, blue state like California, it was still on the ballot.
And even in states that were carried by the conservative candidate for governor, The majority of people in those counties still voted for Proposition 1.
So we underestimated the anger that so many people on the left had about that.
I also think that we underestimated the number of young people that would come out and vote because of Joe Biden's loan forgiveness program.
From a political standpoint, it was genius.
From a financial standpoint, of course, it was disastrous for our country, but it got a lot of young people to vote who otherwise, I think, would not have voted.
Finally, I underestimated the The willingness of people to embrace this ridiculous notion of election deniers.
Hillary's been running around for five years saying that Donald Trump was illegitimate, the election was stolen.
Al Gore, to this day, believes the Supreme Court put George W. Bush there.
You've got Stacey Abrams running around talking about voter suppression.
You have Bennie Thompson, the chair of the January 6th committee, in the first week of January 2005, Join 30 other Democrats and Barbara Boxer with the approval of Hillary Clinton, Senator from New York, to overturn the election in Ohio, claiming without any evidence that the default voting machines had been tampered with.
So I thought when the Democrats started yelling and screaming about Republican election deniers, that they would look like hypocrites and nobody would take that seriously.
Well, it turned out based on election polling, exit polling, a lot of Democrats were motivated to come out because of so-called their opposition to election deniers.
And finally, there's this.
About a third or more of people claim that they voted because they wanted to send a message to Joe Biden that they did not like his policies.
But about as many came out and said they voted to send a message to Donald Trump, even though Donald Trump was not even on the ballot, had not been in office for two years.
I think we underestimated the anger, hatred that people have towards this man.
Unfairly, in my opinion, it's almost pathological, but that's neither here nor there.
It exists.
And we need to address that.
And you look at some of the candidates that Donald Trump endorsed, the ones that were perceived to be strong election deniers, they did not do well.
And for the first time, a greater percentage of Republicans support Ron DeSantis as a nominee in 2024 than Donald Trump.
It's something that we need to deal with, particularly suburban women.
They just hate this man with an intensity, the likes of which I've never seen.
I thought people hated Ronald Reagan on the left.
I thought they hated George W. Bush because of the Iraq war.
I've never seen anything quite like this.
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Yeah, probably the strength of his personality and the way in which they've been able to frame election denial as being almost a traitor.
And the reality is, I watched 2000 Mules a couple of times, and of course, you get to analyze it as part of the group.
And it's based on substantial evidence.
It's not a conspiracy theory.
It's not a fantasy.
There's substantial evidence that a lot of fraud went on in that election.
Now, you've got to have a lot of discipline and A real investigation to determine did it affect the outcome or not.
But there's enough there so that people saying that are hardly irrational.
They're saying something based on facts.
I have in my den over 300 affidavits from people in Pennsylvania that observed one act of fraud or a thousand.
I mean, I've added them up.
I mean, it comes out to about, if you counted all of those, he would have won by 300,000 votes, which is about where 2,000 meals came out.
Well, that's right.
And you don't even have to go there to know that the suppression of the Hunter Biden story clearly cost Donald Trump the election.
There was a study by the Media Research Center that found 15% of Biden voters say, had they known about that story, they would not have voted for Biden.
You got the $419.5 million that Mark Zuckerberg spent, I think, illegally to get out the Democrat vote.
And you have people like Alan Dershowitz and Jonathan Turley, who are not conservatives, they're respected professors, both of whom thought that the use of COVID to alter rules and regulations in Pennsylvania meant that Donald Trump was going to win the lawsuit.
The Supreme Court would take it up, and Alan Dershowitz predicted that Donald Trump would win that lawsuit.
Now, he was wrong, but my point is these are respected people that thought there were all sorts of shenanigans that took place in Pennsylvania.
One more thing, Mayor.
The 1,000-page report on the 2016 election done by the Senate made two major conclusions.
Number one, the Russians tried mightily to change vote tallies in 2016, and Jay Johnson, the DHS secretary, testified under oath they failed to change a single one.
Yes.
76% of Democrats, according to a YouGov poll, believe the Russians, quote, changed vote tallies, close quote, to elect Donald Trump.
The second major finding was that we don't know whether or not the Russian interference altered the outcome of the election or altered public opinion.
78% of Democrats, according to Gallup, believe that the Russian interference, quote, altered the outcome of the election, close quote, in 2016.
In other words, a greater percentage of Democrats believe 2016 was stolen than we feel about 2020.
The whole thing is so fraudulent and hypocritical.
Again, I did not think it was going to resonate with voters, but it did.
You know, and when you think about it, their theory has now been proven to be a fraud that was paid for.
And the other, there's more and more evidence coming forward that there may be something to it.
But how do we deal with what happened in 2020 so it doesn't happen again?
There's a Republican that was elected in New York, Santos.
He's a young man and I think he's naive.
He says, oh, we should forget about this.
We should just talk about inflation.
We should talk about foreign policy.
We should talk about things affect American people.
And they don't want to hear about 2020 again.
Well, they may not.
But if we bury it, we're bound to relive it.
I mean, if we if we don't confront what happened, find out and make the changes that are necessary, we're going to we're going to have another election stolen at some point.
You can't you can't.
Put a crime of that magnitude behind you and just let it kind of rest in American history.
So how do you confront it?
How do you deal with it, but not turn the electorate off?
Well, that's going to be a challenge because I agree with you.
It's all the things that happened in Michigan, the things that happened in Wisconsin.
You've got the Chief Justice of the Wisconsin Supreme Court filing a dissent in a 4-3 case.
Donald Trump lost the lawsuit, but 4-3.
Claiming that all these drop boxes never should have been put there.
And going forward, the Supreme Court in Wisconsin has ruled that they are illegal unless they are put in a voting precinct.
You have the, in Michigan, the Secretary of State used COVID to send mail-in ballot applications to every voter whether they requested one or not.
And again, Donald Trump lost that lawsuit, but the Michigan Court of Appeals, two to one, one judge filed a dissent and said it was illegal for what the Secretary of State did.
So these are three states alone, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Where there were, at best, shenanigans, at worst, illegalities.
And we're supposed to ignore all of that?
I don't know if you can.
But you still have to win elections.
And one of the things that we failed to do is to get our handles on this early voting that the Democrats have done.
We have to recognize that those are the rules in many of our states, like it or not.
We need to deal with that.
We need to deal with ballot harvesting.
We don't like it.
We need to start dealing with that.
And we need to tell women that after the reversal of Roe v. Wade, Abortion has not been illegal.
It just goes back to the state where it was for the first 150 years or so of our Republic.
What's wrong with that?
Isn't that what you want?
For it to be a local issue decided by your state legislatures and through your votes?
So a lot of people on the left believe that reversal of Roe v. Wade meant that abortion was going to suddenly become illegal.
And I don't think that Lindsey Graham did us any favor.
Yeah, sure.
There's a federal law that would ban abortion after a certain number of weeks.
There shouldn't be a federal law for or against abortion.
It should be a state and local issue.
And I think that was a huge mistake for Lindsey Graham to have made that statement publicly.
I watched a lot of CNN.
I watched a lot of MSNBC.
Yeah, they jumped on that.
They jumped on all over that.
Yeah, they jumped all over it.
They made it a complete ban.
He wants to ban abortion.
And the minute you put the word ban into a sentence, they'll do that to you.
And you know, they got off the hook for being, I, see, I thought at the very beginning that this was going to be different because I was shocked when they passed a bill in New York that permitted abortion in the ninth month, in the eighth month.
And Larry, do you know when they passed it, they got a standing ovation and then they had a party.
I just thought it was like inhumane and indecent to have a party.
Those are babies.
Seven, eight months, nine months, you're crushing their skulls and you cheer for it.
And I thought if we could focus it on their extremes, you know, the slippery slope that we always worried about happened.
And then we had the governor in Virginia talking about Maybe negligently, but talking about maybe a little time after birth, the mother gets a chance to kill the baby.
I mean, we're becoming insane when we talk about that.
But we never got to focus on that.
Well, you're right about that.
When I ran for governor, Texas passed the so-called fetal heart bill law.
And I said, they kept asking me about how I felt about abortion.
And I said, this is California.
No matter how I feel about abortion, and I'm pro-life, Nothing's going to change.
But they kept asking me.
I said, well, ask my opponent Gavin Newsom.
At what point does he feel the pregnancy has gone so far that it's murder?
And they would not ask him.
Well, Proposition 1 does exactly what she said, which is to me, allow an abortion up to the moment of birth, if not afterwards.
And again, it passed with a greater margin in California than the margin by which Governor Gavin Newsom won re-election.
It's insane, but we don't talk enough about their extremes.
Now, I read an article in the New York Times that said in the first few months after the reversal of Roe v. Wade,
there were 10,000 fewer abortions than one would have expected
to have taken place over that period of time.
My pastor and I were talking about that the other day, and I said, well, if the cost of 10,000 lives saved
is that we don't do as well in the midterms as we thought.
That's a price I'm more than happy to pay.
Isn't that right?
Isn't that right?
That's a very, very good observation, Larry.
Excellent observation.
So what is your, are you developing a platform?
In other words, what are the main things you're saying to people?
Because I remember campaigning in New Hampshire, the trick in New Hampshire is you have to meet everybody five times.
And then on the fifth time, they'll tell you if they're going to vote for you or not.
So what are you leading with the economy, foreign policy, the military?
I mean, there's so many things that you could be talking about.
Crime.
In my state, my state is the one state where crime comes out ahead of the economy.
Usually it's the economy crime in New York because the crime wave this time has reached upstate New York.
Always traditionally, crime was in New York City.
Upstate New York was the economy.
The cities in upstate New York per capita have more crime than New York City.
Rochester set a record for crime last year.
So it's a statewide issue in New York.
But what do you talk to them about?
What seems to be... Well, what I talk about, of course, is the economy.
I talk about the taxing, the spending, and the excessive regulation.
I talk about how we used to be energy independent.
But then I talk about what I said before.
You mentioned crime.
A crime is a direct function of the breakdown of the nuclear intact family.
If you come from a home with a mother and a father, you're far less likely to ever commit crimes than people that come from homes with just a father.
And so I think, again, this issue of kids being brought into the world without a father in the home married to the mother is something we don't talk enough about.
And finally, I want to, as I said, dismiss the notion that America is systemically racist.
We've got woke-ism everywhere.
You can't have it both ways.
You can't have diversity, inclusion, equity in every single thing, and then simultaneously claim that America remains systemically racist.
America is a country of hopes and dreams.
And again, if you are willing to invest in yourself and believe in the values of hard work, Judeo-Christian principles, the American dream remains alive and well.
That's my message.
Yeah, I believe that a successful candidate, a good candidate, a candidate who makes a contribution win or lose is one who sets out a positive vision and then shows you how to get there and then does the criticisms within that positive vision.
You have to deal with negatives, but that can't be your entire campaign.
Our entire campaign can't be Joe Biden was a terrible president.
Our entire campaign has to be how we're going to make America great again.
how we're going to make America the shining city on the hill. I'm picking Trump and Reagan
because they were our two most successful really in doing that. And then under that,
you can do a lot of criticizing, but they have to look at you as this guy can take us forward.
He's not just a critic. You know, there are think tanks on the left, like the Brookings
Institution, and on the right, like the American Enterprise Institute, and they disagree about
almost everything. They agree on what you have to do in order to escape poverty.
Number one, finish high school.
Number two, don't have a kid before you're 20 years old.
Number three, get married before you have that kid.
Number four, get a job, any job.
Don't quit that job until you get another job.
And number five, avoid the criminal justice system.
You do that, you will not be poor.
100%.
100%.
I used to say, when I became mayor of New York, I instituted Workfare for everyone on welfare.
And then I even instituted it for young people who were getting free college educations.
but weren't working and they were over 18.
So I made them work part-time.
They got very upset and I went to meet them in my old high school in Brooklyn, Bishop Loughlin High School, which has now become a minority area.
And I was very popular there until I became the mayor.
So I went there and I did what my father used to do.
I said, someday you're going to thank me for making you work.
And they booed me out.
I said, because I can give you the work ethic.
I've accomplished everything.
If you have inside yourself, the desire to get up in the morning, go to work, everything's going to come together.
One of the things that makes me, Oh, feel wonderful.
And I can put up with anything pretty regularly.
I get people that come up to me and thank me now.
20 years later.
Just had it a couple of days ago.
White, black, just come up to me and say, thank you.
If it wasn't for you, I wouldn't have, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have my little business because you kicked me off welfare.
Somebody had to do it.
And I knew it would work.
See, your father's always right.
I know my father was right about that.
My father always told my brothers and me, hard work wins.
You get out of life what you put into it.
You cannot control the outcome, but you are 100% in control of the effort.
And before you complain about what somebody did to you or said to you, he said, go to the nearest mirror, look at it and say to yourself, what could I have done to change the outcome?
And finally, my father said this, uh, no matter how hard you work, how good you are sooner or later, bad things are going to happen to you.
How you deal with those bad things and tell your mother and me, if we raised a man and my father was a lifelong Republican, he said this about the democratic party.
Democrats want to give you something for nothing.
When you're trying to get something for nothing, you almost always end up getting nothing for something.
Larry, what do you think of my idea that I dreamed up in the middle of the night, that if they're going to change names because of associations with slavery, you know, we got to take down Thomas Jefferson High School or even George Washington High School.
Shouldn't the Democrat Party have to change its name?
Absolutely!
It's the party of slavery, the party of the KKK.
Democrats founded the KKK.
I'm not saying the Democratic Party did, but Democrats did.
It was once called the Terror Wing of the Democratic Party.
Dinesh D'Souza found that virtually every single slave owner was a Democrat, except for a handful who used to be Democrats, became Republicans.
It's the party of Jim Crow.
It's a party of George Wallace, it's a party of Orval Faubus.
Remember Eisenhower had to send federal troops to integrate the Little Rock public school
because the racist Democrat governor refused.
This is what we're talking about here.
So if anything, the Democratic Party ought to be paying reparations.
And Joe Biden's best friends, Byrd and, right?
Right.
Wasn't he the head of his clan in his area?
Yeah, he was a Kegel, which means a recruiter for the Klan.
So he wasn't just a regular foot soldier.
He was a recruiter for the Klan.
They're called Kegels.
I think they have to change their names.
You know, like the Redskins and everybody.
They have to.
It's not right.
And then there's this big lie that all of a sudden, after the passage of the civil rights bill in the mid-60s, there was a big switch.
All the racist Democrats left that party and became racist Republicans.
Nonsense.
Look at all the Democrats that voted against the Civil Rights Bill in the House and in the Senate and find out how many of them switched parties.
In the Senate, one did, Strom Thurmond.
All the rest of them were born Democrats, died Democrats, including Al Gore's dad, who participated in what was then the longest filibuster in the history of the Senate to make sure the bill never came on the floor for a vote.
They were born Democrats, raised Democrats, died Democrats.
It's nonsense.
The South became more Republican for the same reason most people become more Republican.
The Democrats became crazier and crazier, became more union, became anti-military and high taxes.
And people in the South didn't like that.
And they also became more pro-abortion.
People in the South didn't like that.
So gradually they became more and more Republican, not because of racism.
It was because of all those issues that I mentioned.
But that's the narrative that the Democrats have taught people in school, that all of a sudden the racist Democrats woke up and decided they wanted to become Republicans.
Nonsense.
Well, how serious are you about the race?
Because I find this is really interesting and very exciting because you can have a big impact on what the topics are that get put forward and with your ability to talk, articulate, get it very concise and powerful.
Unfortunately, not all of our candidates are Some of them are great, but some of them are a little challenged.
Well, I'm a little more adept than John Fetterman, but that's kind of a low bar.
You know, you ran for president, and one of the things you were able to do was get on the debate stage and make your arguments, and I think you had an impact on the election.
And at the very least, that's what I want to happen.
I'm very serious about this.
I've been to Iowa a number of times, as I mentioned.
I've been to New Hampshire.
I'm going back.
And I'm very serious about this, and if I decide to do it, I'll make my declaration sometime early next year.
But I think at the very least, we can get on the debate stage and talk about the economy and inflation and gas prices and the borders, of course, but also talk about those two other issues that I said earlier, the breakdown of the family and the nonsense that America is systemically racist, and to point out that the dream is still alive if you're willing to work for it, if you believe in America's Judeo-Christian values.
Everyone wants to talk about New Hampshire between Dr. Maria.
She's a native of New Hampshire.
In fact, they asked her to run for the Senate a couple of years ago.
She was president of a hospital in New Hampshire, Cottage Hospital, and the number one CEO of rural hospitals in America for seven years in a row.
So she's quite famous in New Hampshire.
We spent a lot of time there.
At the end, you know, it's really a shame.
And I have to get just one thing in.
There's no excuse for McConnell not sending the general.
You know, he only had $2 million.
$40 million against $2 million.
And then they say, well, he had no chance.
That's why he had no chance.
And he just decided to take money out of New Hampshire, take money out of Arizona.
And there's no way to know if we put the money in, if we couldn't have won one or two of those.
Yeah.
Blake Masters, I talked with him.
He was very disappointed at the lack of support.
But you know, Mayor, we have a bigger problem, and that is that we are being out-raised, out-funded, out-gunned by the left.
I just had Richard Vickery on my show, and he pointed out in the last 20 years, there have been more than 20,000 single-issue left-wing non-profits who filed for tax exempt status, 20,000, versus between 1,000 to 2,000 single-issue conservative non-profits.
And in the last 20 years, the liberal non-profits have out-raised the conservative non-profits 700%.
I got outspent almost 10 to 1 in my race in California.
Hershel Walker got outspent about 3 or 4 to 1.
We're being outspent, outgunned.
And that's because the passion is on the left.
If you think people on the right are not just wrong but evil people, that can be a very animating force.
We don't think of that way of people on the left.
We think they're wrong, ill-informed, need to be better educated, but we don't hate them.
We don't think of them as evil people.
So we're not motivated the same way people on the left are motivated to come against us on the right.
And we may be underestimating the danger we're in by a lot.
Because I really do think our republic is in danger.
And there should be more We should take it more seriously.
I mean, we should be outracing them, given what's been done to our rights.
We actually should take it more seriously.
I have a longtime friend I've known over 40 years.
I was very close to my late brother.
But this man, my friend, I chose to be the best man at my wedding when I was married some 30 some years ago.
He has a son with special needs, and he is convinced that Donald Trump, quote, mocked a disabled reporter, close quote.
And I told my friend he did not.
I wrote him a long letter.
I enclosed a website called Catholics for Trump, which shows Donald Trump making that gesture that he made to mock that reporter.
The gesture he used to mock himself once.
He used it to mock an able-bodied general.
It's a gesture that Donald Trump used to mock the reporter's retreat from a story that he had written.
I wrote my friend a three-page letter.
I linked that website, and my friend still maintains that Donald Trump mocked a disabled reporter.
By the way, there was a poll in 2016 of likely voters, and the number one reason they gave for disliking Donald Trump was that he, quote, mocked a disabled reporter, close quote.
He did no such thing, and my friend got a perfect score on his SAT, close to a perfect score on his LSAT, he's a law professor, and it didn't matter.
I had an epiphany.
My epiphany was, once you are invested into hating Donald Trump, you don't want to unhate him.
So no facts matter.
And it's a truism that Donald Trump supposedly said there were good Nazis and bad Nazis on both sides in Charlottesville.
He didn't know such a thing.
He was talking about there are good people and bad people on the issue of whether or not there ought to be a Confederate monument in the public square.
And I heard Hillary the other day just say that Donald Trump said drink bleach about
COVID.
He never said that.
So these are things that the left believes.
They're factually untrue.
But they hate this man so much, they're embracing the lies because it corroborates their hostility
and timidly towards Donald Trump.
It's almost pathological.
I've said on my show, Mayor, that maybe Donald Trump should have developed a vaccine for
Trump derangement syndrome.
I did too.
I've said that also.
But it is true.
It's different than, I mean, I work for Ronald Reagan.
It used to hurt me greatly when they would say he was, I mean, I wrote speeches for him and he would contribute to those speeches.
He was a darn good writer.
And they would, I tell people when they say, you know, his intelligence, whatever, so read his letters to his wife.
He wrote them all himself.
And you can see what a good writer he is.
It used to hurt me when they'd make fun of him, but it was nothing compared to what they do to Trump.
Or me, when I was mayor of New York, every day the New York Times would write, find something I did wrong.
But it was, I would take that now in a second.
It was mild compared to what, Trump set off something and maybe we don't understand it yet, but he set something off in them that it was just different.
It was just of a much higher degree of fear and Mayor, I think one of the things he did is that he popularized the expression fake news.
And the media is livid over that.
They also recognize that they made Donald Trump president because they kept putting him on in the primary season.
CNN had him on.
MSNBC had him on all the time because every time he was on there, their ratings went up.
They thought of him as a joke, as a caricature.
They thought he had no shot, which is why they kept putting him on.
And they realized that they created a monster.
And they want, in my opinion, for the rest of his term to undo the, quote, damaged, close quote, that they did by boosting his candidacy, by giving him so much free publicity.
So Donald Trump has popularized his expression, fake news.
It's gotten a lot more people looking at news in a much more discriminating way than was the case before Donald Trump arrived on the scene.
And they feel they made him and they wanted to unmake him.
And they hate him again with a passion, the likes of which I've never seen.
Well, this has been a fascinating discussion.
We're going to have you back on, not just as the sage of South Central with unbelievably wise views on American politics and society.
We're going to have you on as a candidate.
Well, I appreciate it.
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Well, do all of that.
You'll be very, very enlightened.
And this was a very enlightening interview, and I really appreciate it, Larry, and I wish you well.
And anytime you want advice from somebody who's been through it, I'm available to you.
All right.
When the phone rings, pick it up.
I'm going to be calling.
I just think you'll make a great contribution.
God bless you.
God bless you.
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