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May 27, 2021 - Rudy Giuliani
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Rudy Giuliani: How Ducey and Kemp Blocked the Truth About Nov 3rd
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We want to start with America's mayor and American patriot and hero, Rudy Giuliani.
Rudy, we've got a lot to go through.
Mayor, thank you for joining us this morning, particularly that we put this together at the last second because I had to have you on.
One of the reasons that we're going to have Lindell on here in, I think, the second hour.
Mike Lindell was tossed out of the Republican Governors Association last night because on the show yesterday he said, hey, I'm going to this dinner.
It's VIP.
I've been invited.
And I'm going to confront Doocy and Kemp, but particularly Doocy, because we would not be on the deck plates in Arizona doing the full forensic audit.
And by the way, all the rumors out there about that there's not going to be a canvas is just absolutely incorrect.
This is what the Justice Department and Rachel Maddow and those people really fear.
They fear the re-canvas.
That's all going to happen.
That's all in works.
Don't let anybody give you any misdirection plays on that at all.
Obviously they're getting into the machines now.
But Rudy, one of the things he was most upset about because he said Doocy and Kemp just haven't been neutral.
They've actually been active participants On the side of the people trying to possess it.
And the example he used, which I thought was perfect, was that when you were doing your 14 hour, after Gettysburg, you went to Phoenix, you're doing a 14 hour presentation where you go through every aspect of it, from the full, what needs to be done on audit side, on canvassing, on machines, all of it.
In the, I think the second hour of it, as you guys are just building up a head of steam, Doocy very publicly, with cameras around, signs the certification Of the election of November 3rd, 2020.
Signs it just to be in your face, to kind of mock you, to kind of mock the patriots that are doing all this work.
And that's what he wanted to confront him with.
So go back.
Is there any question in mind, he did that on purpose, that Ducey did that to kind of put the damper on anything going forward?
No, there's no, unless he were Joe Biden and couldn't remember.
I mean, the reality is I called to meet with him on four occasions when I went there.
I know, I know Ducey.
I've talked to him before.
I've been on panels with him together.
I had a good relationship with him and I thought he was a reasonably loyal Republican.
And I had overwhelming evidence that there was fraud in his state.
I mean, let's just start with the fact that not a single illegal immigrant voted in Arizona, according to the people who counted the ballot for him.
Now, you and I both know that's ridiculous.
Any intelligent politician knows it's ridiculous.
So what I wanted to say to him is, you know, Governor, if you don't credit anything else that I say, the ballots that were phony, the people from out of state that voted that I have, you know, if you don't credit any of that, which overturns your election about four times.
I'm not even talking about machines.
Talk about that.
I didn't talk about machines with him because I knew he was the one that gave the contract to the company.
And there was always a little bit of stink about, not a little bit of stink, a lot of smoke around that.
How did that happen?
And so I didn't want to touch on the machines there.
So I talked about, I would say a number of votes that minimum would have Trump winning the state by 30 up to 110,000.
We're talking about dead people.
We're talking about illegal immigrants.
We're talking about underage people who voted.
We're talking about discernible by records.
Now, all we could do was the records we could beg, steal and borrow because the state was refusing us to let the voter roll.
And that's one of the things I wanted to say to him.
Why would you withhold a voter roll?
There's nothing private about, I voted or I didn't vote.
Now, if you give me the voter roll and I run it against the illegal immigrant roll and I end up with 30,000, 40,000, you've got an election that needs to be overturned because that's going to take probably five to one, six to one from Biden.
This is the kind of conversation you'd expect that any decent governor would have with you when you present him with real evidence.
Instead of buying the attack on me and Trump and everyone else by the absolutely corrupt media that we didn't have any evidence.
We were dreaming it up.
You've been in my apartment, Steve.
You've seen it.
How many files do I have?
One, two, three, four, five files worth of evidence.
I was telling Juicy what other people said to me.
Not me.
I didn't see any of this.
I was a lawyer.
I'm reporting what hundreds of his citizens said to me.
And the end result of our meeting, you know, Even some of those senators wanted to close this down because Ducey was lobbying them.
They got a public outcry unlike any other state.
For two weeks, those people, and we didn't even organize it.
It just happened.
People in Arizona demanded too much, too many questions, too close a margin.
You don't just quickly at a 10,000 vote margin say, oh, it was a perfect election.
There's never been a perfect election.
The only question is, There's not a question of cheating.
It's how much cheating.
And in their case, there was way more than enough to overcome a 10,000 vote margin.
I just want to make sure I get this right.
You don't think there's any doubt in your mind that Trump won Arizona?
It's just about what margin that Trump won Arizona.
Is that what I'm hearing you saying?
I get in trouble when I predict what I don't know, except based on the evidence that I have.
I mean, if the evidence is true and somebody else has to test it out, right?
If the evidence is true, then there's a big margin there that could give Trump the state.
What is really true is there's evidence of systemic fraud.
And whether it affects the election or not, it has to be examined so it doesn't happen again.
Any governor who covers that up, Republican or Democrat, is not a good governor.
He's not in your interest.
He's working for somebody else somewhere.
I don't know what's wrong with Ducey, but he was an enemy.
He wasn't just neutral.
And the same thing is true with Kemp.
Don't let him off the hook.
He might have been worse.
Kemp had his Attorney General, Secretary of State, become like a hatchet man, claiming that there was only one dead person who voted.
Within one day of his saying that, we produced 700 birth certificates of people who voted.
These are people we can figure out voted.
We don't know everybody who voted.
Who voted and were dead.
So he was wrong 700 to 1.
He's probably wrong more like 4 or 5,000 to 1.
And then he said it was a perfect election in Georgia.
Kemp has been designated, the reason they were both at the RGA sitting at the same table is Ducey runs the, this is a Republican Governors Association for those folks, RGA is all the, it's a gathering of all the Republican Governors, Ducey, it rotates, but they designated Kemp to chair the Committee on Election Integrity.
Given your knowledge in working with Kemp, what's your assessment of that, Rudy Giuliani?
Well, that's like designating Willie Sutton on do not commit bank robbery.
I think he should really be designated to why I selected Dominion to count the votes when Texas turned them down because they were inaccurate.
That's what he should have been tasked with.
What did I base it on?
Who recommended it to me?
Did anybody get anything for it?
Because the thing was rejected right at the very beginning.
When they started using it, everybody in the state started yelling at them.
Machines were very difficult to use and looked like they were double and triple counting.
Those came up before the election.
We never knew about that.
I just want to make sure we've got a couple of minutes left in this segment.
We'd ask you to stay over, Mayor, because we've got a lot more to go through.
The Manhattan DA is impaling a grand jury, trying to indict the president.
I want to ask you, just to make sure we get this on the record and that people understand what's going on here.
You approached the governor of Arizona, was it four separate times, to sit down and walk him through the evidence?
During the course of the election, leading up to that meeting, I called him twice earlier and twice telling him I was going to be in Arizona.
I'd like the courtesy of a meeting with him.
I never received a return phone call, and in the past when I called him, he was rather good about returning my calls.
In the past, meaning before the election problem.
Right, when he gets down on a stage with Donald Trump.
Let me ask you about... You know, he wanted me to say something nice about him or appear with him or... You know, Donald Trump was amazed when he went to Arizona during the campaign at how little applause Deucey got.
He was told by the Republican Party he's not very popular.
And I have no idea what game he's playing or who he's trying to cozy up to.
And now I see Kemp trying to rehabilitate himself with the Georgia law.
And that's why they asked him with their short-sighted whatever to be head of the Election Integrity Committee because the law that was passed in Georgia is damn good.
I can assure you he didn't write that law.
The guys in the legislature that we work with that wanted to file a letter And pass a law saying that the election was invalid and they wanted the vote back.
He is the one who sat on the few Republicans we needed to get that done.
I'm not a fan of that law.
That law still allows mail-in ballots.
It's about two-thirds.
I'm not into compromising.
It's about two-thirds.
He's never explained the political integrity that he entered into that cost us both elections,
both the Trump election and the Senatorial election.
That consent decree remained in effect, and it allowed them no real scrutiny of what happened to the paper ballots.
We have to take the Democrat word for what happened to the paper ballots.
I don't know.
Well, that's all right.
It's Stacy's law.
We're still playing the game.
But I want to ask you, how many times have you met personally with Governor Kemp, and how many times did you reach out to him on this topic?
I reached out to Kemp about a dozen times.
In fact, I went to Georgia, as you know, several times and spent a lot of time there.
Met with everyone there, the Majority Leader, the Minority Leader, the Speaker, I'd say 40 members of the legislature.
Met many of them on our side.
One told me directly that Ducey and the Attorney General were pressuring him not to vote for this.
He wanted to, but they were pressuring him.
I said, well, how are they pressuring him?
And he wouldn't tell me.
Ducey or Kemp?
I want to make sure we just separate this.
How many times did you...
I would say of the two of them, Kemp was the more aggressive in trying to stop it.
I mean, he was on a mission to stop it.
Ducey would try to stay out of it, and then any opportunity he had to put the wrench in, he would.
Kemp was more aggressive in trying to stop anything about an audit.
He acted like a man who had more to worry about than Ducey.
Ducey, although I have to say, You know, somebody else might disagree with me.
Ducey was pretty bad too.
I have no idea why any Republican committee of anything would want them to speak.
They wouldn't give us a fair hearing.
We weren't asking him to overturn the election.
I wasn't asking anybody.
I don't want anybody to overturn the election.
I want them to look at the evidence and then I want them to see if I'm not right.
I'm not God.
I'm a lawyer, but I collected more evidence here than I normally have to prove a result.
So I want the right people.
And they wouldn't even step back and let their legislature do it.
Both legislatures would have, way back in December, voted that the election was fraudulent.
And they wanted to recount it.
They didn't stop.
These two guys stopped it.
And there has to be a reason why they did it.
They didn't do it just for fun and games.
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