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Sept. 7, 2017 - Radio Free Nortwest - H.A. Covington
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Oh, then tell me, Sean O 'Farrell, tell me why you hurry so.
Hush-a-woogle, hush and listen, and his cheeks were all aglow.
I bear orders from the captain, get you ready quick and soon, for the pikes must be together by the rising of the moon.
By the rising of the moon, by the rising of the moon, for the pikes must be together by the rising of the moon.
Oh, then tell me, Sean O 'Farrell, where the gathering is to be.
In the old spot by the river, rifle known to you and me.
One more roar for signal, token whistle of the marching tune.
For your bike upon your shoulder By the rising of the moon By the rising of the moon By the rising of the moon Switch your bike upon your shoulder By the rising of the moon Out from many a mud wall cabin eyes Were watching through the night Many a man's chest was throbbing For the blessed warming light The forest passed along the valleys Like the man she's lonely crew And a thousand
blades were flashing At the rising of the moon At the rising of the moon At the rising of the moon And a thousand blades were flashing At the rising of the moon Greetings from the Northwest Homeland, comrades.
It's September the 7th, 2017.
I'm Harold Covington, and this is Radio Free Northwest.
And before we roll on this week, we need a little spaced repetition time.
Once more, I'm going to have to go over again something that I've talked about before since it appears to be necessary.
This is kind of inside baseball type stuff, and I'm looking for some slightly different way to phrase it this time around.
Guys, due to what I refer to as the Situation, capital T, capital S, my personal time is in very short supply right now, and the squeeze will probably get worse as time goes on.
This means that I am unable to respond to the many, many...
Many emails and personal letters that I get from you guys with the attention and the completeness that I should.
I regret that, but there just doesn't seem to be anything I can do about it.
I really, really wish that I could spend my days reading and writing long, elegant letters, possibly with a quill pen, at an antique mahogany desk before a crackling fire like Thomas Jefferson at Monticello or Ben Franklin over his print shop in Philadelphia, but that's just not the reality.
The reality is that I have to live and work and try to do some good for the 14 words within the parameters of whatever you are willing to give me for that purpose.
I got an email from some guy bitching and moaning that he can't get any response from anyone here to hold his hand and walk him through his scouting trip, which he's planning for October.
Okay, in his case, he kind of sort of has something of a point.
We're dealing with the highest level of inquiries about the party and about the Northwest homeland that I've ever seen.
And entirely too many potential newbies have slipped through the cracks.
That is deeply regrettable, and I'm going to try and do better.
Now, here's where I have to start dancing around again to make sure I don't let slip something that the bad people can use.
Right now, the real-world party is caught like a Jurassic mosquito in amber in what I refer to as the situation, which is my term for a wide range of problems all caused by our lack of professionalization and our failure to act on the contents of the March 2017 status report.
Our trouble is, part and parcel of the situation is also the bona fide fact that there are some bad people buzzing around like blowflies trying to data mine and troll and gather information on us for the purpose of doing harm.
Yes, that's real.
That's a thing.
It's not just the old man being paranoid, and it could potentially go very bad very quickly.
This state of affairs has gotten worse since Charlottesville.
I saw more signs this week that the party's Twitter feed is being monitored, for example.
I did my first 12-hour stint in Twitter jail for a tweet that I made using the J-word, so that account is definitely under surveillance.
And I've gotten indications that we're under media surveillance as well.
Perhaps the most infuriating aspect of all of this is that I lack any way of determining just who among you is at all.
I really wish I could just sit you all down in some kind of cyber auditorium and give you a long, detailed, and completely frank and open explanation as to what has been occurring over the past several years.
It would clear up so much that you guys are clearly confused and uncertain about to know that, yes, there are specific, quantifiable reasons for the apparent clusterfuck.
Now, I would give my right whatever extremity you care to name to be able to just tell you what's going on, but I can't.
I do need to say this.
The individual mentoring, which so many of you seem to want right now, and which some of you actually deserve, especially Cyber FaceTime with Mighty Hurl himself, people demand of me why the hell these new migrants I speak about on Twitter and elsewhere can't pitch in and take some of the load off my shoulders.
Well, it's not that simple.
I will refer those of you on the Orglet list to the March 2017 status report, and if you're not on the Orglet list, I can't figure out any way to get into this without discussing things that shouldn't be discussed in public.
The people are starting to come, yes.
More are coming every month.
Yes, it really is happening.
But in the first place, most of these people are coming to other parts of the homeland than where I'm situated, because they take one look at the cost and availability of housing in the Puget area, and then they look elsewhere.
But mainly, these new people are not really available for party purposes for a variety of reasons, largely because coming home does not relieve one of the rest of one's life, and these new migrants have settling in to do and livings to earn.
Basically, right now, Northwest migration is kind of do-it-yourself.
We have hit a wall, which I have explained to some of you before, and until we surmount that wall, this is just the reality.
I wish things were different, dudes.
They ain't.
It is what it is, and I don't know what else to tell you.
Okay, the past few RFNs have been kind of specialized, and we still have some odds and ends left over from the last couple of shows I'd like to deal with.
First off, our Lady Gretchen couldn't make it to our call-in show on the White Gender Wars last week, so here she is on her own.
Good evening, comrades.
So, Harold was telling me that he plans to have a call-in show about relationships, and he wanted to know if I would participate in it, and while...
I think the idea of participation can be a nice idea and it can certainly help the show.
Well, for one thing, I find it much easier to make a monologue at my convenience rather than to have to call at a particular time.
And I also think, frankly, I'm better at monologues than conversations, which is just maybe unfortunate, but that's what it is.
It gives me more time to think if I do a monologue.
So I just like to talk generally about relationships.
Because I think that's more appropriate in a way than talking specifically about my life.
First of all, I'm really not someone who endorses dating.
Instead, I think that the idea of arranged marriage is much better.
Now, of course, historically, there are all sorts of arranged marriages that go on.
The kind of arranged marriage that I think is ideal is when parents look at things like ethnicity and also perhaps ideology and religion.
And they do this, of course, to determine optimal compatibility.
There are many ways in which this is carried out.
Sometimes it's an arranged marriage to someone you've never met at all.
I'm not for that.
What I actually would support in an ideal world would be parents who take a look at these compatibility factors, primarily ethnicity, but perhaps other factors such as, as I say, religion and ideology, run around elementary school.
And the reason that I say that is because friends you make in elementary school can be friends for the rest of your life.
I recently went to a reunion for the elementary school that I attended, and I saw people there that I hadn't seen in many years, and we were still very friendly.
And I was talking to someone at that reunion, and I was talking about how I seem to have this amazing bond with people from my elementary school, and how I don't even necessarily feel that bond with people from my high school, but from my elementary school I do.
And we were talking about how it's so much easier when you know someone from early on in your life, because then you can accept them much more easily.
So my ideal would be that the boy and the girl, they become friends, just friends, you know, maybe just a little friendship early on in life.
And then in high school, they can start having some...
Platonic dating.
And then maybe by the time they're around college age, they can get married.
So I think this would be ideal.
There have been times in history when arranged marriages have been rather contaminated by ideas of money and property.
And while that can be helpful in a material sense, I don't necessarily see that as quite as important for ultimate compatibility.
Although, in an ideal society, maybe that would somehow fall into place as well.
I think there can be, I suppose, in today's world, some pitfalls in this.
I mean, if your parents are not able to select wisely...
Or if you do manage to find someone, for example, maybe with the help of your parents, maybe with the suggestion of your parents, you might find someone who seems compatible in many ways, but there can be serious deal-breakers.
Like in today's world, there are a lot of people who get the idea that they don't want to have a family.
And that can be very problematic because there are some people who are just very Stubborn in the idea that they don't want to have a family.
And then, for our purposes, such individuals, really, they become useless for the purchase of suitable matrimony.
Some practical advice for today, if you're looking for a potential partner, It's definitely a good idea if you want to migrate to look for somebody who is either from the Pacific Northwest or wants to go to the Pacific Northwest or has maybe business interests in that region.
Because obviously that's, needless to say, something that could facilitate you greatly.
So I think that's ultimately my view.
In terms of individuals trying to be matchmakers, The problem is if someone doesn't know you well enough, that can be difficult.
So ideally, I think that parents are the ones who should be most involved in matchmaking, and I think they would in an ideal society.
I would say that's my view on relationships.
So thank you for listening, and have a good evening.
And now another holdover from past shows.
Now, ever since I have been discussing Charlottesville and the events there, one of the trollish undercurrents has been that I am quote-unquote bad-mouthing Richard Spencer because I am jealous and that I am just a sour old man who is exercising the time-honored prerogative of the elderly to find fault with everything.
Uh, no.
My reservations about Mr. Spencer are very specific, and frankly it looks like these reservations are being borne out by recent developments.
But, as to the grumpy old man accusation, I've said before that I understand that younger men will come after me.
Indeed, I wish to hell I could find some more of them to devote themselves to the Northwest Republic.
Now, here is one such.
A younger man named Matthew Heimbach.
I've met Matt, and I was impressed.
Now, as some of you will be aware, Right now, Matt is having his 15 minutes.
I hope he survives them.
Some of us don't.
He's still stuck on the All-America Sea to Shining Sea shtick, at least in public, but I have personal reason to know that he doesn't really buy into it.
Nor does anyone in the movement with two brain cells to rub together seriously believe that we're just going to make 150 million undesirable people vanish in a puff of smoke, and then all of a sudden it's Brady Bunch time again!
Oh, and without actually hurting anybody, we're going to do this.
Yeah, right.
Anyway, even if he's still beating the All-America drum, Matt hasn't let the grass grow under his feet ideologically, as you'll see.
He's definitely maturing in that department.
One of the most common questions we get in the Traditionalist Worker Party is, what is National Socialism?
A lot of people, of course, have seen History Channel documentaries and scare pieces on the mass media that give a distorted view of what National Socialism actually is.
So I'm here today just to be able to explain a few of the key points of what National Socialism actually believes.
First of all, National Socialism is an ideology about life.
It's about the cultivation of life, of building strong families, of building families that are able to raise good children, children that are moral, children that are healthy, and children that are on a path of virtue to be able to build a better and brighter future for the nations.
It's about cooperation.
Specifically, class cooperation, gender cooperation, and cooperation throughout all members of society.
National socialism views the nation like a body.
And a body takes all different parts.
The liver is not more important than the brain or the heart or the arm or the leg.
Everything works in tandem with one another to be able to be life.
We as National Socialists support.
Every single member of our community is being part of an extended family.
The working class has a responsibility and a duty to be able to work hard, but they also have a right to economic justice, to having their voices be heard within society, and bosses have a right to be able to make profits within their corporations and companies, but they also need to ensure that they're putting the best interests of the worker, families, and the nation first.
We believe in taking from the right nationalism without capitalism, and from the left socialism without internationalism.
At the end of the day, National Socialism and its economic theory is about putting the nation first, because the nation is your family.
National Socialism is also about rejecting capitalism and communism.
Capitalism and communism are two ideologies that take the human being and make him a cog within a greater machine.
Communism wages a war of the poor against the rich, and capitalism is a war of the rich against the poor.
Both of these are Jewish ideologies, and ideologies that poison the national community.
They tear apart the working class, they tear apart families, and they turn the nation into one giant fire sale to be able to say that whoever has the most money or the most power is able to loot and pillage it.
National socialism says that the national community has to work together, that we need to ensure that everyone has rights and duties and responsibilities to one another, and this in turn creates a healthier society.
National socialism believes in the cultivation of virtue.
We reject the degeneracy that we see in the modern West.
We want to be able to cultivate and activate within ourselves natural beauty.
We want to be able to build beautiful art.
We want to be able to build beautiful cities and beautiful communities.
This is about the cultivation of what is good.
And everything about capitalism and communism and the Jewish power structure is about destroying what is good.
We see this in the modern West, whether it's the importation of foreign peoples, Foreign ideologies, radical feminism, abortion, and a culture that supports death instead of life.
This is an ideology of death, a death cult that is destroying the Western peoples and the Western world.
We as National Socialists support an ideology of life, of rebirth and rebuilding ourselves and our nations.
We're an ideology that believes in peace throughout the entire world.
General Leon DeGrel said that national socialism and racialism is about lifting your own people up, and we want the same for every single group of people.
We want every single ethnicity and ethnic community around the world to be able to be stronger, to be able to chart their own destiny, and be able to work together against the international Jew, work against the international capitalists, and work against a system that breaks apart nations and families.
Finally, national socialism is an ideology that isn't an ideology.
It follows natural law.
These are principles that are within all of us.
We as National Socialists, whether we are Christians or pagans or simply agnostics, understand that there is a greater power and there's greater principles that drive us in this world.
As an extended family and a national community, we're not at war with one another over differences on religion, differences in subculture, or differences in class.
We understand that working together as a team National socialism is building a better and brighter future.
So you might hear a lot of lies in the media, but what the truth is, is we are the only ideology that can defeat the international Jew and the international capitalists, not just in our nation, but in all nations, to bring about an earth where we take care of the environment, we take care of animals, we take care of the water we drink and the air we breathe, and we take care of our blood and our culture.
National socialism makes you a steward.
You have responsibilities and duties.
It is not an ideology for the weak.
It is an ideology for those that love their faith, their family, and their folk.
Well, I hope we'll be hearing a lot more from Matt Heimbach in the coming years.
*music*
The sun on the meadow is summer we walk And the stag in the forest runs free We're gathered together to beat the storm We're
The rain gives its gold to the sea But somewhere aglow we awaits unseen Tomorrow belongs to me Tomorrow belongs to me
The baby
And it's grey, all is closing his eyes And the blossom embraces the peep But soon says the whisper,
rise, arise Tomorrow belongs to me I think?
Waiting to see The morning will come When the world is mine Tomorrow belongs to me And tomorrow belongs to me And tomorrow
belongs to me Tomorrow belongs to you, Leanne you you And now here's the trucker.
Greetings, comrades.
This is the trucker coming at you from Arkansas.
In between two hurricanes, Hurricane Harvey just hit.
Supposedly it was supposed to be one of those 100-year storms.
I guess it's like the, what, second or third one to hit the United States in the last, what, say, 10-ish years?
And here we have Hurricane Irma.
It's forming up right now due to...
Possibly, according to the computer models I was reading stories about last night on the internet, hitting New Jersey, New York City area on the 10th.
So, I have to go and wait and see if that actually transpires.
And if it does, well, I'm sorry.
No tears shed here if you're listening to this and we've been after you for a number of years to make your migration to the homeland.
We've had plenty of time to make preparations and do that, and now who knows what's going to happen with that, whether it's going to go and hit somewhere else on the East Coast, or actually hit New York City and New Jersey with, supposedly, it's supposed to be, according to their predictions, possibly a Category 6, a super hurricane.
I've heard of super typhoons before, but this is my first time appearing of a super hurricane.
I guess it's supposed to be like 157 mile an hour winds they're predicting.
And supposedly none of the skyscrapers in New York City are rated for that.
And New Jersey isn't that much above sea level, so...
It's going to end up being like the Gulf Coast of Texas down there around Houston where Hurricane Harvey definitely inundated that.
So if Ehrman comes in and thumps New Jersey well, I don't know of any trucker out there on the road that likes doing New Jersey or New York City for that matter.
So I'm sorry.
No great loss there.
At least in my book.
So, anyways, seeing as how we have access to the internet, y 'all should be doing your diligent research on the area that you're currently living in.
Where I'm at in Arkansas right now, it's only 155 feet above sea level, so I would imagine some of the tributaries around here could be prone to flooding if they had enough rain or snow melt off from up north, upstream, and come down and flood the area.
Normally I'd be crossing the Mississippi River here in a few hours, so I've had times where I've had to go and make detours to be able to cross that little stream because of...
The spring flooding and all that kind of crap that's going on.
There's been sections of I-29 that were closed due to spring runoff and washout railroad tracks and all that kind of crap, so...
Yeah, you definitely need to do your research.
Yeah, I know the, uh...
Pacific Northwest is due for a major earthquake, and we occasionally get windstorms coming through there.
Yeah, it's a raining area there.
Some areas get more rain than others, but yeah, we end up getting inundated with rain on occasion.
No biggie, it's a northwest.
Occasional mudslides come down because of too much rain and shitty logging practices.
Where they took off the vegetation that was holding the hillside.
Yeah, some people paid that price.
We don't get any heavy-duty blizzards like you do going across the Midwest area or the yards of snow that sometimes hammers upstate New York around Buffalo and that neck of the woods.
So, yeah, I think we've got a good area up there.
So, I really don't see why you people are waiting.
If you happen to live up there in the path of this Hurricane Irma, if it does hit the East Coast, especially up there around New York City, well, we've had the welcome mat rolled out for quite a number of years now.
I'm not sure why you haven't taken advantage of that yet, but maybe this will help.
Get your plans in gear.
Who knows?
Alright, well, this is the trucker signing off.
I'm getting ready to go through a construction zone, so I'm going to, well, I'll go on and throw some more in later.
All right, this is the trucker signing out from Arkansas.
We're down to down.
18-wheel moment.
But they say, can you know?
We've got a long way to go.
Any short time to get there, I'm whisked down, just watch a bandit run.
I'm whisked down, just watch a bandit run.
All right, well, we had a sort of a fan letter come into the comments section this week.
One individual wanted to hear more of Lord Lucan, and we can arrange that.
In fact, I've got Lord Lucan right here.
I'm going to talk to him a little bit about his long and varied history.
He is an elderly gentleman, older than I am, and he's been around and seen some more things and done some more things than I have.
Anyway, Lord Lucan, as you may gather, is not his name.
For those of you who are unfamiliar with British weird history, you might want to look that one up.
It's kind of an inside joke.
For obvious reasons, we don't want to use this comrade's real name.
But anyway, I was talking to Lord Lucan earlier before we went on the air here.
I asked him how he'd first gotten into nationalism.
Apparently, his first encounter with white nationalism or national socialism of any kind was not in this country.
It was when he was growing up in Britain.
You were telling me about an Uncle Hans you had.
Yeah, Uncle Hans was a POW.
He used to be in the U-Bot, and this was before I was born.
The POWs were cleaning out the snow, which is unusual for England to have snow that deep, that they were cleaning out snow from the level crossing.
My grandmother then invited them to some tea, and she became friends with the POWs, and one in particular was Hans.
He at the time, I think, was in his 20s, 21, or something like that.
Hans never left to go back to East Germany because it fell under communist hands, so he stayed in England and married an English girl, and that's how he came back sometimes to visit my grandmother when I was alive.
And that's the first I heard of, or the first encounter, you could say, with German national socialists.
And the next phase was the island of Guernsey.
Now, the island of Guernsey and Jersey...
The Channel Islands got occupied by the Germans, and this is where I first found out that the Germans weren't right-wingers.
They were left-wingers.
This was told to me by a farm boy, and then he showed us the huge underground hospital bunker that the Germans had made on the island of Guernsey.
Of course, we were all told, before the war, this war propaganda, that somehow National Socialism was a dictatorship and all sorts of evil things going on, which was all rubbish.
As a result of all that propaganda, the people on the island of Guernsey and Jersey didn't offer any resistance to the occupation, and this, of course, annoyed Churchill.
That's the first I heard that the National Socialist Party wasn't what you thought it was.
Later, much later, I found out that the peace movement was actually run by a Jew in America, and he said if you can't love Hitler, then you can't love anybody.
He apparently went over to Germany and presumably met with, I think, Hitler at the time, before the war broke out, and the peace movement didn't support the war.
This was like the anti-World War II peace movement in this country that the communists were pushing?
No, no, the anti-peace movement, or the peace movement, was primarily started Oh, okay.
All right, okay.
I'm with you on that.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, there were...
When someone says peace movement, I, of course, being a child of the 60s and whatnot, think of the Cold War and the Vietnam War and that sort of stuff.
But yeah, you're right.
There were world peace movements prior to World War I trying to head off the disaster.
Yeah, and also Sir Oswald Mosley, who started the British Union Party, he also opposed the war and made a speech in the Quaker Church in Euston Street, London, and he made it with his friend Lloyd George, who was the former Prime Minister of England.
Now, if you read Mein Kampf, most Americans don't understand what's being said in there, because a lot of it, you would have to be English to understand it.
Sorry to say that.
But on every second page of Mein Kampf, Hitler uses the term bourgeois.
Now, a socialist, when he uses the word bourgeois, he doesn't mean business class.
He means fuck you, or you're an asshole, or something of that nature.
It's name-calling.
And if he uses the word proletarian, he's saying that's a good thing.
And very rarely does he use the word proletarian, but bourgeois means name-calling, as I said.
Back when I was first married, my two brothers-in-law were former communists, so I'm very familiar with that.
And so, secondly, I was in the trade union movement in England, so I know all about inside the trade union movement, as they call it, the British disease.
But back in England, the people who supported the Third Reich were called Trotsky's for some reason.
The reason is because Trotsky actually supported the beginning of the National Socialist movement.
He saw that as the spread of International Socialism.
But Trotsky's have a different approach to trade unionism, which is unknown in America.
In America, they have this idea that they're following Gandhi, and they hold up signs asking people not to cross the picket line, and of course it's ineffective and nonsense.
In England, they're Trotsky's.
You don't cross the picket line if you want to live.
In England, they'll beat the crap out of you so badly you will never cross the picket line.
They consider anybody who crosses the picket line to be a traitor to the working class.
So if we have Trotsky's in this country, On the picket line, they'd either beat the crap out of the wetbacks or they'd blow up the bus.
I mean, you just don't cross an English picket line.
Was it a strike in England?
It was in Peterborough.
And there was a Perkins strike.
It's now Matthew Ferguson, and it's owned by Canadians.
Canadians thought, well, they can beat the trade unions like they could beat the trade unions in America or Canada.
Well, they got a lesson.
You don't mess with British trade unions.
The strike lasted about a month.
Nobody, and I mean nobody, crossed the picket line.
Because nobody would.
But in America, you get a picket line that lasted, I think, was a strike in the steelworkers in Tacoma, which is where I live.
And the strike went on for two years, I think.
That's completely unknown in England.
A strike might last a month, two months, depending on how long the management want to find out that nobody crosses the picket line in England.
And that's a very big difference between trade unionism in England or Australia and over here.
Over here they're weak and pathetic and you say, well, why isn't there any trade unionism in America?
That's the reason.
I used to be such a sweet, sweet thing, so they got it over me.
I opened doors for little old ladies, I helped the blind to see.
I got no friends cause I read the papers, they can't be seen with me.
And I'm getting real shot down and I'm feeling mean.
No more Mr. Nice Guy.
No more Mr. Glee.
No more Mr. Nice Guy.
They say he's sick, he's a C. He, he, he, he.
He, he, he.
I got no friends cause they read the papers.
They can't be seen with me.
And I'm feeling real shot down and I'm getting mean.
No more Mr. Nice Guy.
No more Mr. Glee.
He, he, he.
No more Mr. Nice Guy.
They say he's sick, he's a C. He, he, he.
My dog beat me on the left today.
My head clawed my eyes.
My husband thrown out of the soap and she's a girl.
And dad has to hide.
I went to church in Cognito.
When everybody rose.
For every smithy.
He recognized me.
And puts me in the nose.
He said.
No more Mr. Nice Guy.
No more Mr. Glee.
He, he, he.
No more Mr. Nice Guy.
He said you're sick, you're sick, down hold Mr. Nice Guy.
Down hold Mr. Pee, down hold Mr. Nice Guy.
He said you're sick, you're sick, you're sick.
He said you're sick, you're sick, you're sick.
It was a few months, as I recall.
Eventually they lost that one because basically Margaret Thatcher just...
Told them to piss off, no, you ain't getting your way.
But, yeah, British trade unionism has always been somewhat different.
See, here in this country, trade unionism, from the very beginning, has always been entangled in various ways, not only with Trotskyites and communism and that sort of stuff, but also with organized crime.
You ever get to see that movie Hoffa?
The Teamsters Union, right from the beginning, was mobbed up.
So, when did you come to America?
I came down to America in 1977 and went straight to Salem, Oregon, which is where my dad was stationed and he was doing the weekend warrior business.
But he was not a weekend warrior.
He was kind of like a wounded soldier job.
He was doing the training.
Yeah.
Equivalent rank would be a major.
I know the National Guard is actually considered to be an extension of the United States military, as we found out during the Iraq War when Juggiers proceeded to call up National Guard units and send them over to Iraq.
And these poor weekend warriors thought they were just signing up for two days a month and maybe to go help clear up flood damage or whatever.
And then they found themselves in Iraq getting shot at by the Hadjis.
When you got to this country, how did you sort of look at and assimilate the truth of our racial situation in this country?
Were you racially inclined before you came?
No, not at all.
I was a Jehovah's Witness for 14 years, and they are totally non-racial in every degree possible.
But of course, they were sent to the camps during the National Socialist period.
But of course, if you wanted to get out of the camps, and you were religiously inclined as to why you were in the camps, all you had to do was assign a document.
And you'd get released.
We had a problem with Jehovah's Witnesses in Rhodesia as well.
And the problem wasn't their religion.
It wasn't that, you know, the Rhodesians were religious bigots or anything.
The fact is that Jehovah's Witnesses preached and advocated that they weren't supposed to serve in the army.
And since Rhodesia was pretty much dependent on the draft, or national service as they called it, to defend itself against the terrorists, that led to conflict, but there were no concentration camps.
I think some Jehovah's Witnesses...
A small number of them were, like, charged for inciting against military conscription, but they got, like, 30 or 60 days in jail, something like that.
And I can kind of see the Rhodesian government's attitude towards that.
Basically, I've discovered something in my travels around the world.
Nobody likes Jehovah's Witnesses.
They're just, everyone considers them to be obnoxious.
Well, they're completely international.
In no way, shame for porn are they nationalistic, so they will never serve any national government.
But they're Protestant in outlook, and they're not pro-Catholic in any shape or form.
But what they consider is, and they're not pacifists either, they consider themselves to be neutralists.
Because the Bible does have people like King David, King Solomon, and all these other people actually having armed forces and fighting wars, Joshua in particular and Moses, they can take a neutral position.
In other words, like Switzerland, not necessarily a pacifist position.
So, anyway, when you came over, you were Jehovah's Witness.
How did you sort of come to get red-pilled, as they would say today?
How did you get involved with American white nationalism?
Well, it's work.
When I was working, I was doing sheetrock, and that particular trade was very much being invaded by the wetbacks, the Mexicans, and they wanted to hire Mexicans.
Of course, you couldn't be part of a Mexican crew because you didn't speak Spanish.
And that's when I first came across this idea that people were being replaced completely by Mexican labor.
And so, I believe you mentioned earlier you first joined up with Pastor Butler.
When I first heard about white nationalism was Robert Matthews and their standoff against the feds at Whitby Island, Smuggler's Cove.
But before that, we'd had the Oklahoma City bombing, and we'd had...
That was actually after Matthews.
Yeah, that was after Matthews.
That was after Matthews.
Oh, I'm getting time messed up here.
But no, that was the first event that something was...
There was a resistance to this takeover by immigrants.
There was actual resistance.
Yeah, that's something of an inspiring story.
It's kind of a textbook example of what not to do, which is something our movement has always been very good at providing, but this is not to take away anything from the heroic order man.
I've been in correspondence with a number of them for years, those that are still alive anyway.
Okay, so you then got hooked up with Pastor Butler.
You said something also about you became aware of the Jewish question?
Yeah, I was very curious about this religion of Judaism.
There's something very strange about it.
It didn't seem right.
It wasn't in any way connected to Christianity and didn't seem to be in any way international in scope.
It was very different.
After coming to, there was a little pamphlet from the Aryan Nations and it pretty much stated there what kind of religion the Jews practiced.
And immediately I recognized that Mao...
My brothers-in-law, who are both communists, they would hate the Jews so much they wouldn't hesitate to stuff these bastards in camps right away.
Their particular moral understanding of the Old Testament is so bizarre and immoral compared to anything that's considered Christian, is that a Jew is not required to practice morals towards a non-believer or non-Gentile.
Absolutely not.
The Talmud states that specifically.
Yeah, well, that is so offensive.
To any socialist or communist, it was definitely not racists that stuffed them in the camps.
It would definitely be socialists that would hate them to the point of extermination.
And so you've got this ridiculous nonsense running, you've got all these people running around in America saying, oh, the racists didn't do the Holocaust.
No, they didn't.
It's obvious that it was committed by people like my brothers-in-law, who were both communists.
I've even got my own brother in Australia as a communist, so I never respect.
And Himmler himself, before he became a National Socialist, was a communist.
A lot of them were.
They were all communists except Goering.
Adolf Hitler once stated that former communists actually made the best National Socialists, said the best procedure was to have the SA beat some sense into their heads, and once they learned that they would not be allowed to use violence in suppressing the National Socialists, they'd beat the crap out of them in a beer hall and then sit them down and talk to them.
A lot of former communists became National Socialists, and some quite high in the ranks.
Roland Freisler, who was like the chief judge, I know, of the Third Reich, was a former communist, and so forth and so on.
I'm sure you must have attended some of those get-togethers at Aryan Nations in Hayden Lake.
Yeah, I remember we had two demonstrations.
One was with Pastor Butler when he was still alive, and we would march around downtown Coeur d 'Alene.
And then we had another march there.
The second time, there was hardly any police on the streets because the first time it was all these police showed up with bulletproof vests and a helicopter and everything.
But the second time, it was not like that at all.
But I remember that we had people like Tom, what's his name?
Metzger.
Tom Metzger and Billy Roper.
Billy Roper, yeah.
Yeah, they came as well.
And Jeff Shoup.
Yeah, he just was there.
I think he also came.
I don't know whether he was in the demonstration or not.
I forgot.
But I remember sleeping in my station wagon on a mattress, you know, in a park.
But I also took a young guy there with me, and he didn't like the fact that the FBI were out there taking photographs of everybody.
Oh, they always used to do that, back to Klan rallies, back in the South, and all the rallies that we used to have at Glenn Miller's Farm, places like that.
The FBI would park very ostentatiously outside the entrance to the farm or the rally field, whatever it was, and they'd be lounging outside in their expensive suits, little notepads, just making it obvious what they were doing.
And it wasn't so much done so that they could get licensed numbers of people who were attending.
It was done with the specific idea of terrifying people into just driving on past.
No, no, no, that's not us.
We're not turning in there.
And basically scaring people off, and it was quite effective.
And this is one of the many reasons that I, very early on, became disillusioned with this whole attempt to make a mass movement without the masses.
Now, if you've got masses, like the Germans had during the Kumpf site in Germany, the time of struggle, or in Ireland even, when Sinn Féin or someone can call a demonstration and get 10,000 people marching down the street, that's one thing.
But with what we've got, it's always been obvious to me that we have to use different tactics because the minute we show ourselves and do all this LARPing stuff, it just makes us very, very vulnerable.
And it's basically what happened in Charlottesville.
The police can actually trigger any incident what they want.
That whole thing with that kid and that running down that female happened.
When the police mysteriously and conveniently disappeared and the mob of Antifa attacked the boy in his car and they were smashing his windshield and trying to drag him out of the car, and so he floored it to get away.
And I think the reason the police disappeared was that they knew that something like that would happen and it would give them an excuse to do what they did, which was to declare the whole thing an unlawful assembly and shut it down.
This has always been my objection to any kind of mass tactic like that.
You are under the control of the police and the authorities.
Never mind what rights you think you have.
When you're in that situation, they decide what rights you have.
They decide what you can do, what you can't do.
If they decide that they're going to arrest you or anybody else on some trumped-up charge and make you spend the next two years in the court of law clearing yourself on a charge that was bullshit to begin with, they can do just that.
You can't really overthrow a tyrannical government if you're constantly placing yourself within their power by playing by their rules, put it that way anyway.
Okay, so, any other experiences you have with the American Nationalist Movement?
Well, I went to a Freedom of Speech event, which was in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and that was with Jeff Shoup, and I met up with the creativity movement, and I also held up, what is this, Well, had people behind me holding it up and chanted natural socialism.
For some reason, the creativity movement doesn't support that.
So I thought, what the heck's the matter with these people?
And then I he didn't when he was alive.
The whole Benny Claussen thing is something I went through at the time, and I won't get into it here, because as far as I'm concerned, that's a chapter of our history that needs to remain closed.
Anyway.
Anyway, some of the speakers that came out to me was this guy, what's his name, Matt Hale.
He was there, and of course, he was one of their best speakers, and because he was their best speaker, of course, he's now in jail.
Yeah.
Oh, Hale was good.
I remember Hale during his brief time on the street, and he definitely rattled them.
My attitude towards Matt Hale, number one, it's not generally known that Matt Hale is one of the first actual native-born white Americans to be convicted and sentenced under the Patriot Act.
And so my attitude towards Matt Hale is, as someone during the English Civil War once said about General Thomas Fairfax, he was worthy of a better master and a juster cause.
But despite my regrets at his particular ideological leaning, I do consider him to be a genuine martyr.
He's one of the ones we're never going to see again.
He got like 40 years for typing a single sentence into an AOL instant messenger chat room.
That sentence being, I cannot be involved in this.
And from that, they built this big conspiracy case against him that he was allegedly trying to assassinate a judge.
And got him 40 years.
And he has been just totally, utterly railroaded ever since.
And he's just one of those...
One of the handfuls, I think, of genuine, honest-to-God, proper martyrs we have in the prison now.
Okay, well, there was another event, and this was at Olympia, and this was with...
Bill White, is it?
What's his nice name?
Bill White?
Yeah, Bill White.
This was back with the so-called American National Socialist Workers' Party.
Well, Bill White got some of the National Socialists that came from Portland, one of them.
He was involved with the NSM for a while, which is always a mistake.
Anyway, we had this demonstration in Olympia.
I don't know if you remember that.
Vaguely.
I think I know what you're talking about, yeah.
I'm trying to remember.
Okay, this would have been before White was arrested, so that would have been during the Bush years.
I can't remember exactly where I was.
I think it was down in Centralia at the time.
Yeah, and of course, the anti-Parshish showed up from Evergreen State College.
Yeah, which is...
Okay, go ahead.
And of course, they were always told never to bring any weapons to a demonstration.
Except that I did bring a knife to the demonstration.
But I didn't get to use it.
But what I disagreed with what was happening is that they retreated.
Bill White and the rest of us, we retreated from a threat from these young punks with a blackened red flag with a diagonal thing on it.
I thought, we're doing the wrong thing here.
You see, as National Service, we are the true representatives of the working class.
I mean, it's ridiculous to think that the workers of the world unite.
Well, they're not going to...
It's not going to happen.
And that's just ridiculous to think that a person who's making 100 or 200 times more than, say, a Negro is going to be expecting the Negro to practice solidarity with the white race.
It's just ridiculous.
They're not going to.
And the Muslims are not going to do either.
But you have these particular religions which are actually deliberately anti-trade union, anti-solidarity.
Well, they shouldn't even be allowed in the trade union movement.
One of them was Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons and Islam.
Some of the others, I couldn't really name them, are anti-trade union.
Well, if the standard of living that has been able to be increased as a result of all this trade union activity on behalf of white people has improved the standard of living, you've prevented the boss from taking all the money, and so they have to pay people real wages.
For example, in England, if you're in a union job, you'll get twice as much as somebody that's not in a union job.
And that's more or less universal.
Even in America, you know, you're going to get a lot more money in a union job than if you didn't win.
What few union jobs still exist here, yeah.
Yeah, but I was in construction in this country, and in construction, if you're in a construction trade union, you're going to get twice the wage of somebody who's not in union, at least twice the wage.
Which is also one of the reasons I imagine they hire all those Mexicans, because Mexicans are not only non-union, but you can actually pay them under the table, and if they give you any shit you used to pay, Well, I suppose you still can now that Trump is in.
Well, what some of the employers of these wetbacks would do is they'd hire the wetbacks to work, they wouldn't pay them, and then if they complained, call the ICE.
That was ridiculous.
Well, of course, if you're going to be one of those employers, I've really got no sympathy for you if your house gets shut up with a semi-automatic, because that's what happened to one person that was trying to do that.
No sympathy for these people if they get shot right away, blown apart by these Mexicans.
Mexicans are not Negroes.
They shoot to kill.
Yeah.
Mexicans are actually, I mean, they're non-whites.
They're aggressive.
They should not be in this country.
But I have to admit, they're definitely a much tougher and smarter breed than your average porch monkey.
Every place they're coming into conflict in this country, like Compton and in the prisons and all these suburbs, the Mexicans are actually pushing the blacks out of their own neighborhoods.
I think Compton is now majority Mexican, for example.
Yeah, that's one of the things that a lot of people don't quite realize.
Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that the Great Jew Plan is...
Crowned with success, and they manage to kill off all the white people, or hurt us into reservations in Alaska, or whatever their ultimate game plan is, and they've got it.
They've got the whole country now as their plaything.
What's going to happen is all these racial minorities are going to start fighting among each other, and the blacks and the Mexicans are definitely on a lower stage of evolution.
They don't know that they're supposed to play nice when Mr. Jewboy tells them to play nice.
And what's eventually going to happen is, I think, the Mexicans are going to slaughter most of the blacks, and then the Chinese are going to come in and slaughter everybody.
Confucius once said that it was written in the stars that eventually all people would be Chinese, and who knows, maybe he was right.
You know, that's one of the things that's always, you know, gotten me about these people that want to see the white race vanish.
I mean, what the hell do they think is going to happen once that occurs?
Well, we're the current master race, but if we don't continue to be the master race, we're not going to be taken over by blacks or Mexicans.
We're definitely going to be taken over by the Chinese.
Yeah.
That's a fact.
Anybody who doesn't know that is stupid.
Okay.
Anything else you want to mention?
Well, that was one demonstration I was talking about Olympia.
Then there was another one in Alabama.
This was mostly in a farmer's field, and that was during the period when Rick Spring was...
Running things for a while, and then we had a Pentecostal running things after that, or I think it was somewhere around there, running Aryan Nations.
This was Aryan Nations?
Yeah, and we did cross-lighting and swastika lighting.
Then after that, there was another event.
This was another Congress, and this was in the Redneck Shop up in South Carolina.
It was there that I first heard about...
The Twin Towers being nothing to do with a real plane.
But somehow, one of them had got this video of a plane going into the towers, and it was taken from the top of the towers.
So the people who had this video or were taking this video didn't survive, because nobody survived from above where the plane crashed.
And it flew into the building with no windows, and they took that from the top.
And that was the first I heard that the 9-11 thing was a conspiracy.
It had nothing to do with what you thought it was.
And, of course, if you went into that conspiracy, you find out that they deliberately brought those buildings down with explosives, especially Building 7, which fell, was brought down with controlled explosives and no plane hit that building.
Somehow, one of the planes had failed to make it.
Well, they figured that the one that was shot down in that field in Pennsylvania was supposed to be headed for Washington, D.C. and headed for the Capitol Dome, which that would have been interesting if they'd been able to hit the Capitol.
But I think that probably would have been a much more effective symbolic and psychological target even than the Pentagon.
What do you think about our illustrious president, Donald Trump?
I don't really know why he's got this McMaster's person in there, and he is not a Trump supporter, so why is he using him?
And he fired Brennan, and I don't know.
I think he's allowed people to get to him somehow, because I don't think he's doing...
He's not following his agenda that he got elected on.
Yeah, well, of course, he's also got Jews living in the White House for the first time in history.
His own son and his daughter converted to Judaism.
But of course, you've got to understand, when it comes to the Judaism, the women do not study the Talmud.
Only men study the Talmud.
So that any Jewess, you've got people like Pamela Geller, who supports Zionism but doesn't know what's in the Talmud.
They don't know what's in the Talmud.
Women don't.
You must have watched Yentl.
But I have to say this for Trump.
He's done some things that I admit I like.
Especially pardoning Joe Arpaio.
Regardless of what you think of Joe Arpaio, I know he's not exactly one of us, but still, that was just this wonderful fuck you to the liberals.
And as bad as many of Trump's decisions have been, and as badly as I think he's screwing up, I got this one thing that I will say for him and probably will always say about him.
He is much better than the alternative.
That night of November the 8th, 2016, I think will probably go down as Trump's finest hour.
He saved us from a true monster.
And then, of course, now he's floundering and flailing, and he's doing all kinds of dumb stuff, and he's making mistakes, and he's not following his agenda.
The wall just seems to have disappeared.
He's not prosecuting Hillary like he promised.
But I am not too exercised by that because, frankly, I didn't expect anything different.
And I said so even before the election.
I said, look, you guys do have to understand we're not getting some great white savior here.
What we're getting is somebody other than Hillary Clinton.
As far as I'm concerned, I would have voted for Jack the Ripper before I would have voted for Hillary Clinton.
I mean, then he probably would have made a better president.
Well, the previous election, I didn't vote for whoever it was.
I voted for Chuck Baldwin, if you know.
Okay, yeah.
Not Chuck Baldwin, I mean, what's his name?
Chuck...
Is it Chuck Baldwin?
Probably, yes, it is.
But he was a constitutionalist person.
And, of course, they did have different parties running in this country.
I think you had an attempt to have a populist party.
They didn't get anywhere, so they kind of, like, disappeared.
And everybody's put their money on this capitalist.
You've got to remember he is a capitalist.
He is not one of us at all.
He's definitely not a nationalist, even though I think Brennan was more or less a nationalist.
And he got rid of him.
So I think the agenda is if you elect somebody, they will do whatever they want once they get to power.
Just because they are speaking nice things in your agenda that you want, it doesn't mean they're going to follow on and do whatever the agenda says.
So...
It's time to start thinking that white salvation or white survival is not going to come from Trump.
No, I never thought that.
Okay, are you familiar with the so-called alt-right, which exists mostly on the Internet?
I happen to know you don't spend too much time on the Internet, but you're familiar, I'm sure, in the general way with what it is.
What do you think of the movement today as opposed to back in the day?
Well, back in the day, we only had one means of publication, and that was to demonstrate on the streets.
And I've done a lot of that kind of activism so that this particular time you can get quite a bit of influence from the Internet, which you just couldn't get from street demonstrations.
The thing of the street demonstrations.
The first one worked.
The second one was a complete washout because they decided, we're not going to televise your demonstration.
You got as far as maybe the spokesman, and that was it.
The Spokane spokesman of review.
After that...
I used to notice that myself.
In those days, anytime any group came up with something new, for instance, the Klan in North Carolina wanting to sponsor a road and pick up trash for a mile in a row, something like that, there was all kinds of big hullabaloo and...
No, no, the Klan, evil Klan.
And then everybody else jumped on the bandwagon and different Klan groups and racist groups and whatnot ever decided they wanted to sponsor highways and so they were just automatically turned down and there was no media publicity at all.
In other words, the media had caught on to it.
And so that's still something of the case.
Anytime our movement does come up with something new by way of a publicity stunt, if it catches them off guard, yeah, they'll cover it, but then they pick up on it and they say, ah, no, no, no, we're just silencing the rest of this.
This is one reason I suspect that this is just a speculation on my part.
I think that Richard Spencer has peaked with this Charlottesville thing.
For various reasons, which I won't get into at this time, I think he's never going to be able to get as many people together again, Tiki Torches or not, but that's just my opinion.
Trying to think where we go from here.
Well, we're not getting enough response to people to think, well, we have to start a new republic like the Northwest.
And why is it that people who live in areas where you're seriously outnumbered, like Camden or Flint or...
Gary, and in a way they're seriously up in the middle, even now in Chicago, that you can retake what's clearly lost.
I always wonder, people living in those areas, like, I mean, Chicago, one of the better guys that I've ever run across in this movement, a man who pisses me off thoroughly, because if he ever put his mind to it, he would be quite capable of succeeding me in this job.
He's actually younger than me, about the right age.
But he just right out says, no, I'm not coming.
He has a good job.
He lives in a Chicago suburb.
And he, you know, married some Mormon girl.
And he's just having babies.
And they're just having all kinds of fun.
He's got it easy.
He's one of the few that, so far as I know, the list I heard from him anyway, he actually was able to survive the economic collapse of the Obama Depression.
And basically, he's quite open about his attitude.
Hey, no, I've got mine, Jack.
I am not going to risk what I've got to get involved in all this.
But I can't understand why ordinary people who live in some of these places in Chicago, Newark, I mean, the entire state of Michigan, I mean, why anyone would stay in those places?
What the hell?
I mean, do you really want to live?
Well, I mean, like for a while I lived in San Antonio, which has been called the northernmost city in Mexico.
I saw more Mexican state license plates from, you know, Sonora Chihuahua.
So forth, Matamoros, whatever, in San Antonio.
Then I saw out-of-state American plates on the street.
You know, you pick up the paper and basically San Antonio was a Mexican city.
The mayor, the city council was Mexican.
The police force was mostly Mexican.
You had third world corruption there.
Somebody in the judiciary or the city government or the police...
Every week they were busting them for bribery and beating prisoners and running prostitution rings on the side.
You've got third world people with a third world level of corruption.
Worst I've ever seen personally.
It's just all the petty crap that goes with a third world state.
And why would anyone voluntarily remain in a situation like that?
I don't get it.
But, you know, it is what it is.
I mean, I think, sometimes I swear to God, I do believe that the white race has a death wish.
Anyway, okie dokie.
Well, thanks for coming by, and believe it or not, you do have fans.
When I played that piece of yours a few weeks ago, I got a couple of emails saying, hey, glad to see Lord Dukin back, so we'll be having you on again in the future.
But our time is up for this week's edition of Radio Free Northwest.
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