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Aug. 17, 2017 - Radio Free Nortwest - H.A. Covington
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Oh, then tell me, Sean O 'Farrell, tell me why you hurry so.
Hush your vocal, hush and listen, and his cheeks were all aglow.
I bear orders from the captain, get you ready quick and soon, for the bikes will ski together by the rising of the moon.
By the rising of the moon, by the rising of the moon.
For the bikes will ski together by the rising of the moon.
Oh, then tell me, Sean O 'Farrell, where the gathering is to be.
In the old spot by the river, rifle known to you and me.
One more roar for signal, token whistle of the marching tune.
Warrior bike upon your shoulder by the rising of the moon.
By the rising of the moon.
By the rising of the moon.
with your eyes upon your shoulder by the rising of the moon out from many a mud wall cabin eyes were watching through the night many a man they just was rubbing for the blessed warning light
Outro Music.
you This is Harold Covington speaking.
As most of you will know, this weekend there was a big episode of Sound and Fury in Charlottesville, Virginia.
Everybody and his dog in the alt-right and on the internet is now commenting on that and putting in their two cents worth.
I have always found in the past that when something big happens in our little world, it's generally not a good idea to just go charging in Lips flapping, tongue blazing, and keyboard fingers tappy-tappy-tapping, so to speak.
It's always a good idea to kind of sit back and let things play out, let the dust settle a little, and assess the situation before I issue my oracular commentary or whatever I decide to do.
So that's what I'm going to do this week.
I'm not going to say anything about Charlottesville.
What I'm going to do is upload an interview I did last week with two young men named Alec and Outlander, and they have a podcast called Late Night Alt-Right, and this is that podcast, which I hope you will find edifying.
And don't worry, I'm going to break it up in a couple of places with some good news.
On August 5th, 2017, famed historical publisher, researcher, and critic.
of Allied and Israeli war crimes, Ernst Zundel passed away at age 78. His treatment at the hands of the Canadian government serves as a reminder of government oppression towards those who seek out the truth and attempt to inform others about it, especially in regards to history's biggest lie, the Holocaust, which none are allowed to criticize.
Late Night Alt-Right would like to dedicate this episode to the memory of Ernst Zundel.
And we're back after a bit of a break.
I'm glad to be recording again.
I am Alec Majeris and with me as always is Outlander.
Hello, everybody.
This is going to be a big night.
Yes, tonight we have a special guest.
He is a prolific writer and the founder of the Northwest Front, Mr. Harold Covington.
Mr. Covington, how are you?
Oh, I'm able to sit up and take a little nourishment from time to time.
Excellent.
It's very good to have you on.
Thank you for taking our call.
Not at all.
Always glad to go on these shows.
Yes.
Have you been doing a lot of media lately or recently?
A fair amount.
Of course, in our line of work, there's media and then there's media.
I've been doing a lot of podcasts that probably originate in somebody's basement, but who cares?
I have been doing occasional so-called mainstream media interviews, etc.
But I've noticed the last few of those that I've done, the reporters in question haven't published the results.
I guess they didn't like what they were hearing.
You did too good in an interview.
Well, that kind of brings me to a question about new media.
And yeah, there are a lot of people out there that have taken it upon themselves to...
Having a computer and all of the technology to just really get out there and start getting a message out, do you find that this is bringing a lot more interest and people finding you, whereas in the older days you might have a newsletter?
I've been doing Radio Free Northwest since January of 2010, and I'm quite open about the fact that we peaked at about 6,000 hits a week.
We're now down.
I won't tell you about how much.
We are actually down over the past year, and I think...
Frankly, one reason is because everybody and his dog has a podcast.
And I'm not upset about that.
I think it was, number one, an inevitable historical development with the expansion of technology and the Internet.
And number two, certainly, the more the merrier.
But what kind of concerns me about that is the sign that our little community or this thing of ours or however you want to describe it is possibly more finite than a lot of us would wish.
It looks like we're all chasing the same listeners and the same audience, and that audience, frankly, at this point, seems to be a little small, if you can just judge by stat counter-statistics.
There's always been this big to-do among the movement, among people like the Southern Poverty Law Center, the ADL, and the media, blah, blah, blah, blah.
How many wicked, evil, neo-Nazi racists are there?
And, of course, it all depends on how you define who is, quote-unquote, one of us.
And some people have a very strict 1488-style definition, and others include things from revisionists to Klansmen, teenage kids who screw around on the alt-right and call themselves fascis and that sort of stuff.
It makes it hard to quantify, but, again, depending on how you would...
Let me rephrase this.
Depending on how I would classify a white racial nationalist, I would say there's maybe 20-25,000 of us on the internet.
All kinds of various weird places.
I mean, I'm not getting into things like Reddit and 4chan and that sort, because I have no idea how many people are on there.
But we're not as big as I would like us to be.
Now, don't get me wrong.
Great things have been established throughout history by small minorities.
And I am extremely impressed by the quality of a lot of the media work and the technical work that I've seen, the podcasts, the YouTubes, for example.
We're finally making our first cartoons.
Some of these so-called racist alt-right type cartoons I've seen on YouTube are at least as good as South Park as far as the call began.
If I could interrupt you, Mr. Covington, are you referring to Murdoch Murdoch when you're talking about that?
Actually, I've heard that name.
I don't even know what that is.
That's another thing you need to bear in mind when you're talking to me.
I'm an old dog, and it's kind of hard to teach new tricks, and plus I've got a lot of my own Northwest Front-related work to do, so the result is I can't keep up everything that's going on the alt-right or Twitter.
I'll see some reference on Twitter, and I'll have to come on there saying, uh, what's that?
Everybody was talking about something, and I'll have no idea what they're talking about.
Murdoch Murdoch's the one cartoon where there's two guys, and they're all white-skinned, and they've got that one face, and they're wearing SS uniforms, and there's that girl who's got red hair, and she's also wearing an SS uniform.
Yeah, actually, I think I've seen little bits and pieces of that.
I wasn't quite sure what that was.
Okay, I mean, well, if it's what I remember, I'd say, yeah, that animation is at least at the South Park standards.
yeah
There's a lot of concern, and a lot of the statistics on it are rarely put out because it's not good for the other side, where they're finding that these younger people, even though they're growing up in the most extremely propagandized generation, it's always getting worse and worse and worse.
Well, it seems to have reached a point where the kids aren't responding to it.
And in having access to new media and the Internet, they're starting to hear people like yourself.
Like Murdoch Murdoch.
And they're going all over the place and they're really being exposed to these new ideas and while they may not be quite as far along as some people or some people would like, they're just going through this journey.
But I can tell you that they're much further along than, say, I was at their age.
They've had a lot more information that I could only have dreamed of having.
So it does look like there's a lot of positivity as far as growth.
Every new generation has a natural tendency when they hit their teen years and their early 20s to become romantic rebel types, James Dean, angry young men, etc., to rebel against the moral authority and the codes of a previous generation.
That's happened down through history.
And the tendency, of course, is to become...
Or to go through an anti-authoritarian phase or an anti-authority phase.
And when I was coming up, okay, the authority, at least where I was growing up, was the Southern Baptist Convention and the State Chamber of Commerce.
When I was growing up in Old Milltown in North Carolina, if I'd stayed there in that town, I actually probably would have become, maybe not, but there's a chance that I would have become some kind of raving leftist liberal.
But when I was 14, my parents moved me into a college town, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, which is North Carolina.
And the establishment, if you will, was all left-wing hippy-dippy.
This was in the late 60s with the SDS, the weatherman, and all the drugs and the hippy-dippy crap.
And that was the establishment in the high school that I went to.
And to also add that it was one of the first high schools in North Carolina to be integrated.
And so it was the first place I came to contact with racial problems.
So when I went into my rebellious phase at the age of 15 or so, what I was rebelling against was the left.
And that's kind of stuck with me, largely given my experiences in that high school.
And so I'm sure that these kids today that are going through high school, look, I shudder to think what some of these young white kids are going through in some of these integrated hellholes.
Oh yeah.
And some of these politically correct totalitarian states that the schools are to come.
Like, for instance, there was bad racial violence in my high school, but never any hint of any guns.
No one was ever actually killed.
And there were drugs, but there was nothing like heroin or crack or anything like that.
We had LSD and we had weed, and that was it.
No pills.
And the whites were, of course, still a majority.
And so the very idea of being a high school student anywhere in semi-urban America today and being white is just appalled.
I know these kids have got it a hell of a lot worse than I did.
And so, yes, I'm not surprised that some of them are coming out looking to rebel and not just in a figurative sense.
What concerns me is that we're not really giving them...
But the fact is that while we need an alternative media to create a white ethnostate,
which has to be our goal, I think that most people by now understand on some level that it's impossible to simply turn the clock back to the 1950s and the 60s and the Brady Bunch and Billie Jean the cheerleader with her bobby socks and her ponytail and all that sort of stuff.
So I'm also impressed in an ideological sense with the general and increasing acceptance in the alt-right and whatever you want to call this thing of ours.
That what has to happen is a white ethnostate, a homeland, has to be created somewhere on the North American continent.
Of course, we believe it needs to be created here in the Pacific Northwest, but that's generally accepted.
The idea of the breakup of the North American continent into various different countries, different racial and ethnic enclaves, special interest groups, etc., that's kind of accepted now.
Even in many establishment circles, this movement, this left-wing movement, I should say, for...
California secede.
The union is quite serious.
They are very well financed.
They're entirely serious about it.
And what concerns me is that there really is no one solid place for alienated white youth to turn to.
Well, there is.
It's the Northwest Front.
As I've pointed out, we have pretty much everything we need.
We've got our Constitution.
We've got our flag.
We've got the Northwest Novels.
We've got the websites.
We've got videos, and we've built it, but they ain't coming.
The problem is, with this alternate media we've made, is the better elements, and I don't say that in a sliding sense, but I think you know what I mean.
Basically, the better and more significant elements in the white racial movement are having difficulty making ourselves heard over all the noise.
Somehow or other, we're going to have to find a way around that.
Anyway, go ahead.
I was going to say, you had mentioned your earlier life, and then I thought that was a really good segue point to you bringing up the Northwest Front.
I would like to know just a bit about how you came to that and the growth of it, especially for the younger people who may be discovering or hearing about this for the first time.
Well, many years ago, on April 20, 1999, I believe it was, I wrote an article, which you can still find floating around some places on the internet, called Dreaming the Iron Dream, and I opened it up describing an event that actually happened to me.
The day I finally graduated, I took my last exam, and I went up the hill to the parking lot at Chapel Hill High School.
That was my last day.
I didn't have to go into that place, and I turned around and I looked back, and I made a vow to myself that no white boy or girl would ever have to go through what I had gone through in that place.
Well, pretty much ever since.
Now, at that point, I was more or less converted to racial nationalism of sorts.
I ended up going into the United States Army, and when I was in infantry advanced training at Fort Jackson, South Carolina, I picked up a back book in the PX, I think it was, and it was a book on the SS called The Order of the Death's Head by a German named Heinz Hohner.
And it was your typical anti-NS stuff, which I didn't know at the time, but that's all that could be published in Germany.
To this day, I don't think you can actually publish a book in Germany regarding the National Socialist days without quote-unquote critical comment.
Anyway, I read enough in that book to realize that a philosophy, a way of life, a worldview that...
It coincided with what I wanted to see for the Earth already existed, and that was National Socialism.
From there, I ended up, after many, many missteps, joining the old National Socialist White People's Party, which was the former American Nazi Party of George Lincoln Rockwell, and sort of rolled on from there.
I am no longer an open national socialist because I've come to realize that if you want to communicate with people, you have to put yourself on a credible basis of communication with them.
You can't confront them automatically with symbols and ideas and terminology that they have been conditioned from birth to reject.
Can I interrupt for just a second?
I just want to say, because I'm sure people are thinking of this.
One of the things that was pretty popular about, we'll get into this a bit later, I want to talk about it, the alt-right and Daily Storm or TRS, all those guys, is that they sort of openly use these symbols or these, I'm a Nazi or I'm a National Socialist or this swastika.
And they use it as a way to sort of, not really break the conditioning, but sort of shock people, and eventually people sort of kind of get to it, and they're like, oh, you know, it's not something to be afraid about.
It's not something.
It's just something for old authoritarian liberals who, kind of like old church ladies, will get mad at you for using the swastika and stuff like that.
I mean, you said that you don't openly describe yourself as a national socialist.
You don't openly use those symbols.
But do you think using those symbols might be the reason why we're seeing such an upgrowth in people interested in national socialism or far-right politics?
Using them in a tongue-in-cheek, rather.
To some degree, yes.
Like I said, every generation tends to rebel, and teenagers especially love to do things to shock their parents.
When I was coming along, they would grow their hair long and flash peace signs and drive VW buses with flowers on them.
And basically, a lot of it at the time, you could tell, well, just stuff these guys were doing today.
irritate their parents.
And after a few years, they worked it out of their system and they're probably now all on Wall Street carrying briefcases or whatever.
But there's always been a certain degree of that with our movement.
I tell you, there's one way today you can sure as hell shock your parents and that's become a national socialist.
But that's good.
At least gets the idea circulating.
I'm not an open National Socialist, but I am a National Socialist.
If anybody asks, I don't deny it.
That's another reason that I'm not pushing NS as such is because, in essence, the Northwest Front is kind of a nationalistic movement.
We're trying to create a homeland for all white people here in the Northwest, and that includes a lot of people who are not NS, Christian identity people, Christians of all kinds of shapes and forms, pagans, tax revolt types, sovereign citizen types.
Everyone, even mildly to the right or center, and above all, just ordinary white people who want to be able to live their lives peacefully and have a job and support their families and pursue some kind of personal happiness.
They don't necessarily want to become Hitler Youth or any of this sort of stuff.
The home that we're going to create, the country that we're going to create here, will welcome all of those.
There will be a small contingent among all those many groups and tendencies of people of outright National Socialists.
Bluntly put, what I can foresee as a situation, after the first 10 or 12 years of the Republic's existence, the Nazis will probably be pretty much running everything, but that may or may not be.
National socialism is not something that we are ashamed of, but we do not demand it as some kind of purity test for someone to participate in the Northwest Imperative and the Northwest Independence Movement.
I'm glad that you had brought that up.
That was actually going to be one of my next questions, was how you were to all of the different white identity movements, because as I was saying before, A lot of people are just getting along this path and are not necessarily quite as far along, or they're just in a different place or coming from a different place than your traditional, say, national socialists, white nationalists.
And so the Northwest Front is open to all white peoples.
You're not exclusively looking for national socialists then, correct?
No, absolutely not, no.
Excellent.
We have people who are active with our organization up here and who support us around, hell, around the world, but around the country.
And there are national socialists like myself.
There are Christian identity people of the, well, one of the pioneers of our movement was Pastor Richard Butler, who was one of the world's foremost Christian identity ministers.
We have people who are pagans, Thor's hammer and the whole thing.
We have people who are every conceivable, I don't want to use the word fringe, every conceivable tendency within the white nationalist movement, everything from bikers to Second Amendment people, read gun nuts.
Everyone is represented, though, I mean, ideological.
Oh, yeah.
Plus, we've got one or two good old-fashioned conspiracy theorists.
And so, the way that I put it is that the Northwest...
Independence Movement.
The Northwest Front is a community of blood and not of faith.
By faith, I mean ideology.
We are for white people.
We are not for white people of a certain ideological trend.
Now, needless to say, there are certain ideas that would probably militate against white people participating with us, like if you're a Zionist who think that the Jews are God's chosen people, that probably ain't going to fly too well.
If you are a social justice warrior who's demanding that we divest ourselves of our white privilege...
No.
Those are silly examples.
I think you know what I mean.
Of course.
The guiding ideological principle, if you want to put it, of the Northwest Imperative and Northwest Front is the 14 words of David Lane.
We must secure the existence of our people and the future for white children.
Perfect.
Thank you.
you Thank you.
So I kind of want to ask another question.
I have this one sort of lined up.
You were involved in many different parties in the past, a couple of them, and I just wanted to know, how are things done in the past compared to today?
We've got sort of a different structure today, and you're always sort of talking about how things have changed.
I'm pretty sure a lot of people would be curious as to how things are done in the past, how things are done today.
What are your thoughts on that?
Okay, I've got one word for you.
Internet.
The history of the white nationalist movement in this country, when it is written, assuming there's anybody around to write it, when it is written will be divided into two parts, pre-internet and post-internet, because love it or hate it, and there are times when I really hate it, internet was probably the most significant thing that ever happened to us because it offered us at least the chance to level the playing field media-wise.
Yes.
And before the internet, say before about, say, 1995 or so, by the way, I'm officially, in my Wikipedia entry and some of the other places, I'm supposed to be one of the pioneers of white nationalism on the internet.
That's not totally true.
There were some people who were on there before.
I was.
There was Don Black, of course, Stormfront, Ingrid Rimblin with the Z-Grams, that sort of stuff, so it's not like I'm blaming any kind of pioneer status there for that.
I actually got onto the internet very late '95.
So, I guess that's, what, 22 years, so that makes me one of the forerunners, not like the trailblazer.
Anyway, the first thing we did on the internet was, in essence, what we've been doing with our mimeographed newsletters.
We all discovered email!
Wow, email!
I'm sure anybody in those days who got their first computer remembers checking your email about 18 times a day.
Yeah.
That's email.
Wow.
So anyway, I frankly copied Ingrid on this.
She was running something called Zgram.
She's Ernst Sundell's wife.
You know, by the way, Ernst Sundell recently died.
Yeah.
And Ingrid was sending out these Zgrams to advance Ernst's idea, and I came up with what was called Cgrams.
And what those were basically were just articles or comments by me or news commentaries or rants and raves or whatever.
And I just write them up like I was writing up a newsletter by email.
But I found that, hey, we can send out hundreds of these and it only costs us the $29.95 we're paying for our internet access and the cost of the computer.
And at that time, a first class postage stamp was...
Twenty-nine cents or whatever it was, and so it was obvious that this was an incredibly cheaper way to communicate with people than postage stamp and envelope and the mimeograph machine.
And so that was the first thing about the Internet.
All of a sudden, mass communication, from our point of view, became financially feasible.
We didn't have to not only exert the effort to fold and stuff and whatnot, envelopes, etc., but we could also save the money on stamps.
A lot of us completely abandoned the paper.
I have not.
The Northwest Front still issues two printed publications every month, the Organizational Letter and the NF Bulletin.
That's for basically old people who don't have the Internet, for prisoners, and also for that we can communicate to our own people certain things that we don't necessarily want intercepted by all the electronic spying that's going on in the government.
See, the Internet's bought its own problems.
Anyway, you're good.
I just also want to say that, you know, a lot of people looking back, they'll say, what were people thinking back then, dressing up in those uniforms, or sort of acting in a certain provocative way?
And one of the best explanations I've heard, and you can tell me if this is right or wrong, that people did it back then because they needed to get media attention, because otherwise the media wouldn't even notice you, it wouldn't even write up about you.
Well, that was what Commander Rockwell called Phase 1. This was in the mid-60s.
You have to bear in mind, may I ask how old you are?
I am in my mid-twenties.
Okay, so you would not remember the day when there was no cable TV, no internet, when television consisted of three network news stations, ABC, NBC, and CBS, and in some areas like mine, there was an educational channel operating out of the local university, and that's all the TV there was.
There was AM and FM radio, and there were newspapers.
Almost every town had two newspapers, a morning and an evening paper.
And that was it.
That was your media.
And as far as big media goes for conveying major ideas, there was Walter Cronkite.
Lyndon Johnson made the famous comment when he was told that Walter Cronkite had turned against him over the Vietnam War.
He said, basically, well, if we've lost Cronkite, we've lost the war.
Yes.
And that was how it was, because people in those days trusted the media, and that was it.
That was all you got as far as news or whatever.
And so Commander Rockwell came along, and he knew that he had to somehow break through the paper curtain.
He had to let people know that National Socialism had not died in 1945.
And that we were still around, and so he came up with phase one, which was to basically provoke the Jews and the media into overreacting by waving the swastika under their noses like a red rag in front of a bowl.
And it worked after fashion.
Oh, it still works to this day.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I will say this.
They cannot ignore that swastika.
One of the first activities I ever participated in was when I just got out of the Army and I was with Joe Tomasi's unit in Los Angeles.
And the party out there had a very peripheral role in Watergate, which I won't get into.
And so Tomasi had called a press conference at the LLA Press Club.
And he walked in with about six of us.
We were all wearing our uniforms.
I know now there were costumes, what we called them uniforms.
And we all marched in.
And the governor of California at that time was having a major press event there in a big auditorium.
And Tomasi's little press conference about our Watergate thing was just off in some little, you know, room about the size of somebody's kitchen.
If we were lucky, ordinarily, maybe three or four of them might have showed up.
But the minute we marched in in our swastika uniforms, our stormtrooper outfit, word just went out.
And by the time we got down to our little conference room that had been allocated for us, we had this trail of reporters and TV cameras following us.
They actually had left the governor of California to follow a bunch of guys wearing third-right getup.
It's because of the swastika.
The swastika is such a fascinating symbol.
It literally hypnotizes.
If you're a Jew, it fills you with screaming, loathing hate.
I have seen, well, Commander Rockwell has described this in his books, but I have seen Jews literally scream and fall to the ground, frothing at the mouth and clawing at the earth.
because they were so filled with hate at the sight of the swastik and the thing is this was like three or four of this was like
gnashing of teeth and pulling of beards yeah and I was just standing there I was ready I figured they were going to attack me and I was ready to fight and all that but they didn't they literally they would see the swastika and they would go into these spaz attacks it's like a St. Vitus's dance or something really you really have to have seen this for yourself to understand what I mean so yeah the swastika can be a potent weapon but unfortunately it's just no longer appropriate and I can't now remember what we were talking about we were talking about the different way
that was one way things were different back then yeah Let's move on, then, to something a little bit more controversial, because I'm sure this is the part of the show that most people will be tuning in for.
So you've been critical...
Yeah, we're going to talk about the alt-right now.
You've been critical of the alt-right.
This is an alt-right show.
And believe it or not, you have many fans in the alt-right.
You've got people who listen who like you, people who are part of other groups that are big fans of yours, such as the people in Cascadia.
I want to know your opinion.
What is wrong with the alt-right?
And you can say anything you want here.
This is a free show.
What they're doing right, what they're doing wrong.
I'm not going to sit here and necessarily attack civic individuals.
I have always had this idea that the white resistance should be a white resistance.
Now, to me, being a white man, being an Aryan man, being a representative of European and culture and Western civilization carries with it certain moral principles.
These are kind of what various hippy-dippy philosophers refer to as our teo, the underlying bedrock principles of a religion or an outlook or a way of life.
For Christians, the teo would be the Ten Commandments.
Let's put it that way.
One of these things that I believe that is essential to the Western culture and to the creation and maintenance of Western civilization is, how can I put this, sexual restraint.
You will notice that leftists and Jews and communists and degenerates of all sorts, they always want to go for free love or free buggery or whatever.
And sexual restraint on the part of both genders has always been a mark of civilization and culture and intellectual maturity.
Yes.
You know, after that, go to it.
But the fact is that the present alt-right is full of queers, which we've always had in the movement, but we've never encouraged them like we have.
It's full of people who say, well, being a queer is no big deal.
It's full of Jews.
It's full of people who say, well, I just have a little bit of Jewish blood, but does that make me a Jew?
I just do so much good with movement, so can't you ignore the fact that my nose is 20 feet long and this sort of stuff?
Can I just, just a short second, I noticed that when I was on Twitter, I was arguing with, you know, a few people that are friends here.
I just want to say there is a difference between people in alt-right, which there is a valid criticism of what you're talking about, but there's a difference between them and there's a difference between people in the alt-right, as they're called.
So that's more of the juice side.
One of the best explanations of the difference between alt-right and alt-right I've heard is one given by a guy named Gavin McInnes, who seems to be something of an idiot, but at least I think he's got that pretty much pegged.
That's very nice of you to say.
Yeah, I would say something much less flattering about that.
If I'm not mistaken now, he was the guy that was literally showing his butt on one of his videos.
And he was like bent over with a flower sticking out of his asshole or something.
He's incredible.
He's a disgusting guy, yeah.
So anyway, bluntly put, I do not believe that there is any place in the white racial resistance movement for people who practice homosexual perversion, people who sleep with non-white women for recreation, people with...
Jewish blood or outright Jews or anybody who tolerates any of the above.
The white resistance needs to be a white resistance.
And by the way, there's a name for this.
It's called movement modernization, and it's been around.
Yeah, I remember that.
We're supposed to accept Jews.
And we're supposed to accept all kinds of basic moral depravity because if someone quote-unquote does good for the movement, then their personal life is nobody's concern, which is bollocks because it is.
Also, another principle of movement modernization is the problem is Muslims, Muslims, Muslims.
Immigration, immigration, immigration.
And never mind the Jews, because the Jews are quote-unquote part of the European tradition.
Well, yeah, so is the Black Death.
No, this is basically the whole point of movement modernization, both in this country and in Europe, is to let in Jews and queers and positions of leadership.
Not just accept them as members or comrades or whatever, but to let them be leaders.
It's opened the door to subversion, in my opinion.
What was the leader of this big group in Germany with a funny acronym that's supposed to be the big anti-migrant group is now being led by a lesbian.
The AFD?
Now, my point, when I'm talking to people, I ask them, look, if we're going to stage this big bloody revolution and fight and die and maybe go to prison and maybe kill other people and stain our souls with sin and all that sort of stuff, and we're going to do all this agonizing stuff in order to create a whole new world, Are we going to create a new world which has Jews and queers and Filipino comfort girls in it for our guys?
I mean, and if you're going to do that, what is the point of any of it?
Yes.
Why would we exert ourselves and go through all this suffering and torture and aggravation to create a world of queers and Jews and non-white whores?
I think that your critique is spot on, and the alt-right is fairly varied because it brought together when it...
It came on the scene really quickly, so it really brought a lot of disparate people together that had various opinions on things, and not all of them were good and positive, and I feel like, just as you said, that there should be an understood core...
value that really goes without saying and we can't allow degeneracy.
It's the position of this show that we are not accepting of degenerates and homosexuals.
We've been clear about that and there are a lot of people on the alt-right that are right there with you in the things that you I definitely think that there is room for there to be some cooperation because there's definitely some people that wholeheartedly agree with you.
Well, there's another thing that disturbs me about a lot of this alt-right stuff.
I'm not gonna name names at this point because I'm not trying to go after individual people.
I'm observing a phenomenon here to get the difference.
I don't like this idea of allowing the enemy media To choose our leaders for us.
And it seems to me that certain among these individuals in the alt-right who have skeletons in their closet of various kinds, both sexual and ideological, are getting a hell of an easy ride from some of the media and getting far more publicity, and not just on the internet, but in the system news media and on the left-wing blogosphere, etc., than they deserve.
And then their contribution to the cause merits.
I've got many years experience with this and I have noticed that the most hardest core dedicated and driven racial nationalist activists that we've ever had have gotten almost no publicity ever from the system media.
Usually the leaders that they like to build up Well, I will name one example.
I don't know if you remember a guy named Craig Cobb.
Yeah, go ahead.
Okay.
Now, Craig Cobb, I think, before I gather, he's a classic example of Colin Jordan's comment that our movement has a very big heart and a very small head.
But Cobb was nobody.
Cobb was and is nobody.
And yet for a brief time, a couple of years ago, he was built up by the left-wing blogosphere as Mr. White Supremacy.
And then he made a fool of himself in several ways.
I mean, it was obvious they were setting him up to trip him up, et cetera, et cetera.
But I've seen that happen time and time.
And I don't like the level I think he did that to himself.
Well, I don't know.
Maybe other people can't see it because they just haven't been around as long as I have.
But I mean, like I said, I have been around for a while and I've just seen this pattern occur over and over and over again.
So I am always very...
Leery when it looks like somebody is all of a sudden getting all kinds of system media publicity and he's being built up as Mr. White Supremacy or the new fearless leader of the Fourth Reich or whatever, because usually these people tend to have feet of clay and our legitimate leaders, the ones that have actually done the heavy lifting and who are actually, you know, moving things forward however they can, get almost no actual coverage at all.
That's nothing that bothers me about the so-called...
Right.
There's a lot of people in there who I kind of...
They make my study sense, Tingle, put it that way.
Well, with these more...
Can I interrupt you just for a sec?
Can I ask this question now?
Sure.
Yeah, yeah.
Go ahead.
So, there was actually a fan question regarding...
Yeah, it's regarding a falling out, if there was one, between yourself and one Greg Johnson.
And if so, why is that the case?
Why did you guys disagree with each other and not get along?
Well, I first came across Greg Johnson after I published several of my Northwest novels.
He did write a couple of very good reviews on his website about them, which probably were the first really good media publicity we got.
I'm grateful to him for that.
I used those for a while until it became obvious that I couldn't.
The problem is that Greg Johnson is practicing homosexual.
And for that reason, he is just absolutely debarred from any participation in the white resistance movement.
I mean, we just...
I don't know how much more clear I can put it.
We can't have queers in our movement.
No.
I mean, I've met Greg Johnson.
I actually like him pretty well.
They're not allowed.
That was that meeting that convinced me because there was a young man with him that pretty much confirmed the rumors I'd been hearing.
I frankly am sad that he's like that, but it is such a pity because if he was just a normal human being, yeah, we could really use a man like that.
But again, I tell you guys, we can't have queers.
No.
Not under any circumstances.
Not because they do so much good for the movement.
No.
This show agrees with you 100% on that.
Yeah, I mean, I can't get, and some of my more Grandpa Simpson-like wanderings on Twitter, I've said that it used to be this was just taken as read.
Up until a few years ago, even after the movement modernization thing started, no one ever seriously considered that we would...
admit having a queer as a leader or a prominent personality.
It was the one thing that everybody, it was just one of those boxes that you ticked.
Yeah.
Routinely.
I've been accused of being obsessed with homosexuality or whatever and that's because basically I see the movement crawling with buggery and I don't know why I am having to explain all of this to younger people in the movement.
A couple of weeks ago I actually did an entire Radio Free Northwest basically On the subject of buggery and why we mustn't do it, or have it, or allow it, and I think it was July 27th.
But anyway, I am flabbergasted, and I am horrified, because I think this is a sign of just how much the prevalent degenerate cultural Marxist...
The infiltration of our culture and our mindset and our whole soul has gotten to the point where I think we've got a whole generation of younger white people who have been bombarded with all this homo stuff from a cradle just about on V and in the movies and in school and culture.
And I think most of them just honestly don't see anything wrong with it.
And it's not their fault because who was going to teach them?
I really would like to know where the hell these kids'parents were while they were being indoctrinated with sodomy.
There's parents right now, that's...
Too scared to stand up to the damn schools and the people that were pushing it because they knew that they would be isolated and shamed and maybe lose their precious jobs.
That's the big fear that everybody has in this society, that if you stand up for what you know is right, dare to dissent, if you dare to oppose them, they will come and take away your stuff.
It's not even so much people being afraid of going to prison.
It's that they will come and they will take your precious stuff, your house and your cars and your money and your toys.
And your Papa Murphy's Pizza, and just all of the things that in their minds make America, and that you'll have to...
Live in a trailer and Campbell's soup out of a can and only have basic cable.
I mean, that sounds silly, but that's what people are afraid of.
More so than the guns of the police and the FBI.
More so than the handcuffs in the orange jumpsuits.
I think people are just scared that if you dissent, then you will be publicly shamed.
Everyone will know that you're not of the body, like the old Star Trek episode said.
And lawyers will come and take your stuff.
That was what they threatened me with for so long.
I'm living proof that you can survive that.
I was going to say, earlier when you mentioned that your spider senses were tingling on a few personalities, and that's not really an uncommon thought, even amongst the alt-right, where there are a lot of internally very critical thinking people, and I just wanted to say, have you had the opportunity to speak with anyone, or be introduced to anyone's work, where you did get a positive feeling?
Oh, yes!
Yeah.
There's a lot of positive.
And the thing is, of course, half the time you don't know who these people are because they're using pseudonyms.
Of course.
And me being in advancing years and kind of half-senile anyway, a lot of times I remember the good stuff I see, but I don't remember the nom de plume of the person who put it out.
But we do have a lot of younger, up-and-coming people in our movement that I'm pretty impressed with.
And needless to say, now that you've asked me, I can't remember any off the top of my head, but look, overall, the effect is good.
There are a lot of unsung young talents out there that I see on the internet, now as far as an actual political leader.
The thing is, this business with Trump has, in many cases, confused a lot of stuff.
Like, for instance, the great leader of white supremacists in this country, if you'll believe the left and the media, is this character Stephen Bannon in the White House.
Oh, right, Bannon.
Everyone says, well, he's a white supremacist, he's a Nazi, he's read, you know, Camp of the Saints.
Well, maybe he has, but the guy is also a former Goldman Sachs investment banker.
A former naval intelligence officer, and you don't get into those positions unless you are in like Flint with the insiders and the elite.
Right.
I mean, I really would like to know how the hell Stephen Bannon got pegged as a white supremacist or a national socialist or whatever.
But I'll be honest with you.
I am encouraged by a lot of the younger people who contact the Northwest Front.
One of the problems with having to do all this myself is I don't have as much time as I would like to just commune with the membership, so to speak.
But there are a lot of just really brilliant-sounding young people who are coming in contact with the Front.
They're making plans for their migration.
And if all of this pans out...
In a few years, we're going to have the beginnings of an actual leadership cadre up here in the Northwest, because a lot of people are coming.
I will get, like, an email and say, Hey, Harold, I'm so-and-so.
I'm now living here in Post Falls, Idaho, and my family moved here a couple months ago.
We read your books, and we really like your website, etc., etc., so we decided to go ahead and make the move.
And, okay, fine, that's a migrant family for us.
I'd never even heard of them before.
So, we are slowly but surely percolating throughout the alt-right.
There is a northwestward movement.
I know, I know, that's not the question you asked.
I'm trying, I'm rolling my brains and trying to see if there is anybody in the so-called alt-right that I can recommend unobservedly, somebody that you would know from Twitter, and not really, because, I mean, I may like their work, I may like what they say, but all these people are using pseudonyms, and we don't know who they are.
Right.
That's more what I was curious about, was just that you were seeing some good, fresh faces.
Oh, look, overall, there is immense good in what is over the past couple of years.
I am personally very disappointed with Donald Trump as president.
But the entire Trump phenomenon, I believe, genuinely, is a plus for us, if nothing else.
But he saved us from Hillary Clinton, and that, right there, as far as I'm concerned, ensures this man's immortality.
If nothing else, he gives us four to eight years of breathing room.
Well, I'd be honest with you, I don't think he's even going to make it to his first term.
I think he's going to be overthrown or murdered.
Okay, time for another music break now, I think.
You know, the Scandinavians have their black metal, wardroona-type stuff.
There's also such a thing as Celtic or Celtic black rock or black metal, I guess you'd call it.
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Thank you.
As far as Trump himself goes, I'll say now, What I said when he first started, I would really like to see a lot more Huey Long and a lot less P.T. Barnum there.
Well, I have a final question for you before time runs out.
May I finish my thought just on that?
Sure, sure.
I was going to say that now is the time not to sit on your laurels.
A lot of people, when he was elected, I think they sort of sat back and said, ah, we've been saved from Hillary, but that's not the end.
Not only are they always trying, but he's not going to be there forever.
I think that people need to know that with this time that they have, it's very important that this...
Well, one thing I keep telling people, and I told them in the last NF bulletin, when Trump goes, and he will go almost certainly before his first term expires, there is going to be a backlash, a almost Maoist suppression of anyone who ever had anything to do with Trump, anyone who ever had a kind word to say about Trump, anyone who ever posted to the alt-right.
Once Trump is gone, Yeah, they'll be out to punish us for subverting them the way they did.
Oh, yeah.
We wounded the beast that night.
On November the 8th, 2016, we wounded the beast.
I actually, to this day...
I'll get online, and I will go to YouTube, and I will go back to the liberal tears videos on that side.
That's so funny I do the same thing.
Literally pounding, rolling on the floor like babies in a tantrum, screaming, fix this, fix this.
It's the funniest thing I've ever...
My favorite, of course, is watching The Young Turks.
Oh, yes.
They did about a half-hour video of various stages throughout the night.
Yes.
Anyway, but...
Anger, denial, grief, acceptance.
They went through all the phases.
I always have to give Trump this.
He gave us that night, and for that I'll always be thankful.
Absolutely.
It wasn't really a victory, but it sure as hell tasted like one, and we don't...
I hope it made people hungry for more.
Everyone needs to be at their most productive right now.
These are the days to be productive and plan for the future.
I'm sorry, Outlander, it looks like you're having some trouble with your connection.
You wanted to get a question real quick, just in case something happened?
Yeah, it's kind of an important one.
This one maybe helped Covington a bit.
You say you have a detailed plan.
You're talking about how you have almost like a step-by-step plan, how we're going to get out of this mess and get that ethnostate that we want.
You have a Hatrion, which people should definitely donate to.
And I want to know if you can elaborate a bit on your plan to give people some tips to know what they're donating towards.
Okay, basically, we are going to build something approaching a genuine organization here, which will include something like our own Internet Media Center, so that we don't have to work off people's laptops and out of outhouses and that sort of stuff, which is about the level we're on right now.
We are going to begin building the nexus of a proper actual party in an organization.
And I know there's a big debate, you know, in the movement going on over that.
I remember the days of the organizations and they had all their problems, but we've gone too far in the opposite direction.
We've gone loosey-goosey.
And the result is that the quality of ours is better, but we are in a state of complete and total disorganization.
We can't apply any of the good stuff we're doing, and I know we're running out of time, and I can't really sit here and babble on and on about that.
Could you ask people to get in touch with me at nwnet, nwnet at earthlink.net.
That's my email.
You'll get a thing you'll have to confirm for spam blocker, or you can follow me on Twitter at HAC1488, and I'd like to get everybody who basically is worth it and who is capable of really contributing on a serious adult level into the discussion.
Yes, all of your contact information will definitely be in our show notes, and we've also, I guess now is a good time to mention this to everyone listening, we've also got a YouTube page up where we're putting all of our shows on YouTube as well.
All of that information will also be in the description of the YouTube video.
One of the things with the show that is really, really important to us is getting people introduced to one another and allowing people to kind of network with people that they either didn't know about or maybe they have a talent or skill and they really just need someone to cooperate with.
It sounds like this is a really good time for all of the people in the disparate groups to begin working together.
sounds like you're really ready to get out there and start working with people of other groups.
And I don't want to put words in your mouth, but it sounds like now might be the time for people to start pooling their resources.
Well, we'll just have to see how that works out.
Right now, I'm in a...
You know, that little sign sometimes you see on the wall of a workplace when you're up to your ass in alligators, it's kind of hard to remember that your original objective was to drain the swamp.
I'm kind of in that stage right now.
I'm actually trying to build a genuine fighting revolutionary party and it's kind of, you've got to do it kind of like Alcoholics Anonymous one day at a time.
Well, with that, I think are we...
Do you have any more questions for tonight within the time slot, Alec?
Well, I don't want to say too much Mr. Covington's time.
We've had you on for a bit, and you've been very gracious with your time.
I very much appreciate getting the chance to talk to you.
Yeah, likewise, and I would love to have you on again to discuss other things, especially media.
I had a little bit of questions to talk about regarding media with you, and I think you'd be the guy to keep in contact with about that.
Okay.
Well, is there anything else that you would like to put out there while we have the chance?
You mentioned your Twitter and your email, Northwest Front's website.
www.northwestfront.org.
We also have two other sites, which is northwestfront.net.
But basically, look, we have the idea, we have, frankly, the only idea, the only plan, and I'm not saying that just to make myself out to be the big cheese or anything like that.
The simple fact is, the only plan that has any chance of success is white separatism of some kind and the creation of a separate...
Agreed.
Amen.
We think it should be here in the Northwest.
Get in touch with us, and we'll have a few words with you about it.
All right.
Well, thank you very much for coming on, sir.
Thank you.
Thank you, Kevin.
Better time is up for this week's edition of Radio Free Northwest.
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This is Harold Covington, and I'll see you next week.
Until then, Sarsha Underban.
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