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April 5, 2017 - Radio Free Nortwest - H.A. Covington
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All right, ladies and gentlemen, today is April 5th, 2017.
This is Ted with Caucasian Christian Communications.
I've got another special guest for you guys.
I've read about three or four of his books in the novel series that he has put out, and some of his older writings, like The March-Up Country.
I actually have a copy of that myself.
I'm talking about Harold Covington of the Northwest Front, and northwestfront.org, I believe, is the site.
Harold, are you with me on the line there?
I'm with you.
Okay.
Did I get your website right, that it is northwestfront.org?
That's your main contact and main site?
That's correct.
We do have two other websites, northwestfront.net and sofrevolution.org.
And of course, we've also got a number of blogs and Twitter accounts and Facebook pages and all kinds of good stuff.
Okay, very good.
I enjoy your podcast.
I first ran across you, Harold, when I read one of your novels.
I think I read A Mighty Fortress first.
I'm a big reader.
I've read The Turner Diaries and Hunter.
And some of the more, I call them, patriot-tard novels, like shit-hit-the-fan kind of genre novels.
And there was one that I want to mention.
It's by, the guy writes a pen named Boston Tea Party, and he wrote a book, Molan Labbe, and it's all about libertarianism and constitutionalism.
And his idea was that you'd get all the red-blooded constitutional patriotic Americans to go to Wyoming and secede from the Union.
Now, I read that book.
I think I'm familiar with that one, yeah.
I haven't actually read it, but I think I know which one you're talking about, yeah.
So this idea is out there.
I think it's a very sound idea, and we'll drift into that more as the conversation goes.
Can I get into one thing real quick?
In my novels, there is a passing reference to Wyoming being part of the Northwest Republic, but I just want to make this point now while we're still on it, so don't forget to come back to it later.
It is absolutely necessary for the white ethnostate, the homeland, whatever you want to call it, to have a coastline.
Because otherwise, you will be landlocked, you will be surrounded by enemies, and I can tell from having lived in Rhodesia, this is not a good thing.
A large part of the reason that Rhodesia went down was because basically, when I was there, our only lifeline was through South Africa.
The Portuguese colonies had been cut off by that time, and when South Africa basically stabbed Rhodesia in the back, that was pretty much all she wrote.
It is necessary for any independent state to have access to the sea and open, unfettered access to the outside world.
This is why we cannot abandon the coast.
There's a lot of people here in the Northwest who, for various reasons, saying, oh, I-5 corridor in Seattle and Portland, they're just so full of liberals.
Oh, we've got to move inland, Harold, and all of them little cabins in the woods in Idaho, and that's not going to work.
We have to have a coastline, and I will now let you get back to your show.
No, no, very good.
Please jump in at any important point.
Kind of what I want to do, Harold, as someone who's never heard of this and not familiar, I want this to be a kind of 101 guide for all the perils, traps, the necessities, kind of Northwest Front 101, why it's necessary.
I want to ask you, like I said, I'm going to start off with some personal questions about your background and history, and then we'll kind of trail more into Northwest Front.
Now, I have read that, I think it was SPLC or ADL, one of those, that your brother kind of put you down, and what's your reaction like from friends, family, that know you've been doing this and been doing it your whole adult life?
What's that reaction like?
Well, I don't have many people from my childhood, if you want to call it that.
We're back in those days that I even have any contact with at all.
I can't even now remember what my brother said.
That SPLC article was about over 10 years ago, I think.
I do find it amusing that he allowed his picture to be published in the SPLC's magazine, and from there it went online.
And to this day, a lot of people, especially liberals and whatnot, who are writing articles that attack me or attack the Northwest, they put his picture up there online instead of mine, which I think is hysterical.
I actually haven't had any contact with the people from my youth since I was about 17. Basically, my father threw me...
They took me out of the house at the age of 17, and I went into the United States Army.
I became a National Socialist while I was in the Army, and I ended up joining the old American Nazi Party.
The National Socialist White People's Party was called then, and not when Rockwell was alive.
This was 1972.
I've never really looked back and really had much contact at all with anybody from my, you know, younger days since then, so it's not really a case of I was heartbroken because all my friends spurned me or any crap like this.
I'd already been thrown out of the house, so it's not like there was any love lost there.
I'm lucky in that, in a way, that that was the situation because I know a lot of people, when they get red-pilled, when they become converted to white nationalism of one form or another, especially National Socialism, they do have family ties and, in many cases, things like marriages and children.
I know guys who, because of their racial views, have...
They've been estranged from their families.
They've lost jobs and careers and friends.
They have had marriages, breakups.
They've lost children.
And so the way of the white nationalist is not an easy one.
And there's a lot of casualties along the way.
My casualties were actually fairly light in that area.
Okay, very good.
I read that story that they put up there, and I kind of think if my family or friends, if they had the microscope on them, the hot light, and felt the pressure, I'm sure they would throw me under the bus in a second.
But you never know.
That's one of the deterrents that the system uses against white dissidents, the threat of some of the most complete social ostracism in history.
You may have heard of the old Yankee practice of shunning somebody in the village or the town who's done wrong in some way or offended against congregational mores or whatever.
The way that we are treated up until, hell, just the past few years, we usually involve just that type of complete social ostracism.
When the Internet came along, the liberals developed this technique to a fine art.
They call it shaming.
There are some pretty hideous examples of people crossing the politically correct line in some respect, including some of their own, like Alec Baldwin.
And they just get shamed into non-existence.
They lose jobs.
They lose social contact.
They lose publicity, which for them is the oxygen, and especially if you're a Hollywood celebrity, something like that.
One of the first people to really defy this type of shaming was Phil Robertson of Duck Dynasty.
But then again, he was a millionaire, and he could afford it.
Most white people can't.
One of the reasons that a lot of white people do not come forward more than they do and speak their minds and behave in a more courageous manner is because they are terrified of the type of social ostracism which politically correct society can impose, including loss of friends, family, job.
Hell, I mean, if you cross these people too bad in the wrong way, you can literally end up living under a bridge.
And this has happened.
So one of my advantages has always been that I've been fairly bulletproof in that sense.
I haven't had all these hostages to fortune that most Americans have.
I'm convinced that if white Americans were free of this threat of social ostracism and shaming and isolation, and we were all free to stand up and genuinely speak what we feel about race and politics and the ongoing white genocide, Well, I absolutely agree with you.
One of my big things is that I don't think things can really change until white people lose their creature comforts, lose Starbucks, their disposable income, maybe even the electric grid.
Until they lose some of their daily comforts and every day turns into a fight-to-survive scenario, I don't think much can change.
That's actually been happening over the past few years now.
I don't know, you sound fairly young.
I don't know how old you are, but I can remember back in the day, I mean, I first heard this, all these various excuses that we use back around the early 70s, remember.
So that's been kind of the same tune, and I understand the principle behind I've always believed that it would be possible for a genuine revolutionary vanguard to speed things along with that.
But that's another long, involved story.
But the fact is that in the past few years, things have been getting distinctly worse.
For whites, especially during the Obama period, the crash that took place in 2008, before that, under the years of, you know, Juggiers Bush, I think was probably about the last that we're going to see for a long time of the old America where there was a reasonable degree of comfort, where you still had your house and you still had your job.
I mean, you were probably up to your nostrils and dead on the credit cards, but you could still take the kids to sleep.
I think one of the reasons that things are moving in our direction right now is things are getting worse for white people.
Right.
I know a lot of people in the white nationalist community, they have this idea that worse is better, so to speak, and I can't help but agree with it.
Materialism has ruined this country.
It's always been a good theory, but it's never really happened in practice.
I've always been astounded at this society's ability to right itself.
Imagine a big, huge ocean liner that's slowly sinking.
And, you know, every year it sinks a little more and more and more, but it's sinking on an even keel.
The weight hasn't gone one way or the other, and it hasn't, like, upended to the bow or to the stern or anything like that, so it's just sort of settling quietly beneath the waves.
But now, although it's still technically on a kind of even keel, The waves are now lapping over the railings onto the decks because this slow sinking has been going on for 50 years, and at some point in time, the whole thing is going to hit a tipping point, and the whole ball of wax is going to come down, and I think we may be seeing that very soon.
Right.
It's a slow-motion train wreck.
Your analogy was very good with the sinking of the ship.
It's so slow, and we get so used to it, we get a little...
It's like a normalcy bias.
It's just normal.
And white people, like I grew up, upper middle class, middle class, white people still live in a bubble.
They have enough sense to not live downtown with a bunch of Africans and non-whites, but they still live in their little suburban bubble with their SUVs and McMansions to where they don't really see the danger of it yet.
Yeah.
Well, the thing is, though, that lifestyle is becoming less and less sustainable for white people.
The foreclosures, the debt, the mass immigration that is affecting white people in so many ways.
Now, admittedly, I live in a kind of greater urban area.
I don't live in Seattle directly, but I live in one of the far-flung suburbs of Seattle over here in Kitsap County.
And I suppose you could call basically the western shore, the Puget Sound, a Seattle suburb.
But another problem, I think, is the pervasiveness of non-white immigration, especially in the urban areas.
Okay, the suburbs may be there, but if you actually look at who owns these houses and who lives in them, it's no longer, to a large degree, the so-called white middle class.
What you've got living in these rich suburbs now are various, I suppose you'd call them Democrat constituencies.
You've got government workers.
You've got non-white immigrants of various types, usually slopes or gooks or brown Asians of some kind.
You've got houses that are being bought up by strange corporations and leased out to non-white middle-class people.
And I think the suburbs themselves are starting to disintegrate.
Oh, absolutely.
I've had that experience myself.
You're apt to get a non-white neighbor.
And once that starts happening, with the income levels that most middle class or lower class white people have, non-whites have access to those loans, those mortgages.
And here in the Midwest, that $100,000 to $150,000, I mean, you're going to be living right there in with them.
Real tight.
Real close.
So, let me ask you something, Harold.
I wasn't born into white nationalist family or friends or anything like that.
I actually came into the white nationalist stuff through...
I'll call it conspiracy research.
Eustace Mullins, Jeff Rents, David Icke, Alex Jones.
I got into that when I was a teenager.
Since then, I stumbled upon the Jewish question and then into white nationalism.
And I have to say, maybe you can help.
You've been around a long time.
It worries me that white nationalism...
Maybe I'm just in early.
You were probably in at the 1% earliest, right, here in America, but...
I've been called the Grandpa Simpson of white nationalism.
That sounds about right, from what I can tell with my research.
It bothers me, though, and let me say, too, I'm big into the Christian identity theology.
I don't like the people in it.
I think it attracts bad types of people, so to speak.
The entire movement has always had a problem with attracting people who really don't belong among us or anywhere near alternative politics of any kind.
This is a problem.
It predates the internet.
That's one of the first things I noticed when I first came into the movement in 72 is that a lot of the people that we attract leave a lot of people.
Yeah, well, that's exactly my point.
I don't have a criminal history.
I'm fairly middle class and typical straight white guy, Christian guy.
And it bothers me that some of these people in CI, I think, are questionable.
Hal Turner is a good example of someone who, when I listened to him back then, before the whole thing came unraveled, I was like, man, this guy's right on the money.
I agree with everything he says.
I'm really concerned, and especially with this, not so much the Bundy Ranch situation, but the wildlife refuge occupation.
Right, yeah.
I'm very concerned about well-meaning people coming into this, like myself, and then being led astray by a Judas goat.
Can you shed some light on this?
Oh, God.
I mean, by the way, if you ever hear on the Internet that everybody hates me and I'm a despised character in the movement, etc., etc., one of the reasons for that is that for many years I talked about this openly and addressed this problem without fear or favor, and it still comes back on me.
A lot of the nude emperors of the past still have some followers hanging around.
Look, I call this the character issue, and it is something that the movement has to address at some point.
And damned if I know how to do it, I actually have drawn up documents suggesting that we, in essence, adopt a code of conduct.
I drew up one call that I used to send out with our intro packets from the Northwest Front, the red lines.
What you cannot do or else you will be expelled or excommunicated.
And the trouble is that's impossible because we're not an actual organization.
We're just this big amorphous movement of shifting opinion and behavior and blah, blah, blah.
And so we don't really have any way to expel anybody or to discipline anybody within the movement for misbehavior.
The classic example of this is Glenn Miller.
I don't want to sit here and go off long and just spend the whole hour talking about nothing but past movement scandals, but Miller actually, put it this way, spent time in the witness protection program, during which time he testified twice against his former comrades in capital cases carrying the death penalty.
Now, fortunately, Miller was such an idiot and an obvious pathological liar that in two communications, Fort Smith and the Shelby murder trial, juries did not believe him.
And so he was in the witness protection program and more or less kicked him out of that because he was useless for their purposes.
And he came back successfully more, if you want to call it successfully, through the use of the internet.
It's just like we have no shame.
Right now there is one individual whom I'm not going to start stuff here, so I'm just not going to name names at this point, but there is one prominent individual.
Who claims to be now the head of an organization who is a registered sex offender.
We don't have any way of dealing with this type of stuff, except what I used to do, which is shout it from the rooftops and yell and scream and rant and rave and curse at these people, and that works very poorly, and all it did was get me a bunch of grief.
It's like, well, put it this way, the only successful case that I know of where our movement has successfully cleaned house and physically removed somebody who should not have been there was the Frank Collin case in 1980, and that was me.
We basically physically removed Frank Collin from the Chicago headquarters, turned him over to police, and he ended up doing seven years in prison for butt-fucking little boys.
But even so, once that came out in the media, the NSPA was ruined.
I lost a lot of time, effort, and money trying to maintain it after that.
But, I mean, you really can't recover from something like that.
So, anyway, enough of that.
All I can say is that we have a very severe character problem in our movement, and somehow or other we're going to have to address and we're going to have to resolve it, because you cannot make a revolution with the type of people that we tend to attract.
Right.
So let's get right into the Northwest Front.
We did a lot of background history, and I'm glad you brought up the Frank Collin case.
He was another one that, from my conspiracy research days, was kind of like, oh man, I don't know, this white nationalist stuff, this seems like a trap.
I don't blame people who get that impression just looking at our past.
I mean, talk about having a skeleton in your closet.
Our movement has a whole cemetery, and I don't know how we're going to ever recover from that and how we're ever going to deal with it and make ourselves an effective political force.
All I can suggest is that we have to come to our own people, the white people, with clean hands.
And we have to say, look, yes, we know we've had a problem.
It's kind of like a reformed alcoholic or something.
Yeah, we've had a problem, but we have made a consensus agreement among ourselves that we are going to leave this behind.
Here is our new leadership.
Their closets are 100% skeleton-free, and they damn well better be.
And because, I mean, basically you can't ask an entire nation of people to follow a bunch of scum.
Okay, go ahead.
Anyway.
Like I said, I read a few of the novels.
I haven't read them all.
I like the idea.
I think it's important.
Day by day that goes by, it's ever more important with our demographic situation.
Now, I was talking to one of the people, one of the first books I read that really woke me up to the demographic issue was Civil War II by Tom Chittum from the 1990s.
He's a Vietnam veteran.
I started reading his little memoir, and I started studying the Vietnam War, Harold.
And the more I look at the Northwest Front, and the more I studied Vietnam, the more I think this is viable.
fighting a defensive war and running an imperial force into the ground and making them tuck their tails and leave, I think this is viable.
Now, I don't, let me just, for the record, I have a big policy on my program where I do not condone or advocate any offensive violence.
I am for self-defense and I always put it like this.
We need to reduce the problem or the equation to that of a colonial war.
Now, there are available templates and patterns from the past century as to how How to successfully fight a colonial war.
My own favorite is the Irish War of Independence between 1916 and 1921.
I also should add that I kind of drew my inspiration for the novels from the Irish situation because I lived in Ireland for a number of years and while I did not participate, I had a chance to observe what was going on in Ireland and mainland Britain with that during the 1980s.
In a colonial war, there are certain rules, but I'll sum it all up in one of the things that I say repeatedly in my novels.
In a colonial war, it is never the generals who surrender.
It is the accountants.
What the people who are trying to create the Northwest American Republic or, for that matter, any other white ethnostate need to do is create a situation whereby the occupying power Is pouring men, money, and resources, and time into this little, what they consider a backorder.
And the coastal elites, Los Angeles, and New York, and Boston, and all these other rich people who live out on Long Island, etc., they consider the Northwest to be a backorder.
I mean, they may have a few liberal friends in Seattle, but that's not going to really affect them too much.
So, basically, the occupying power has to be confronted with a situation whereby the accountants, the treasurers, come to them and say, hey, look, we have to talk here.
You cannot afford to continue this little war here, because it's simply draining too much from the treasury, and it's going to wreck the whole economy, and eventually we bring down the whole house.
It's like a small wound, but a bleeding wound.
And it's possible that we can bleed to death from this if we don't come to somewhere.
This is eventually how the British were forced to come to the table with the IRA in Ireland.
It's because the IRA finally figured out that the way to get them was to hit London and basically shut down London economic.
I was in London in 1991 and '92 during one of their last major campaigns over there.
And about once a week at least, the entire public transport system would be shut down because of basically bombs on the tracks or bomb threats, bombs on buses, etc.
And what that did was not so much kill people as it cost the city of London, which is basically the engine at that time, the engine through which the entire British nation ran, millions and millions and millions of pounds of lost work and revenue every week.
And eventually they just realized they couldn't handle it anymore and they had to come to terms with the IRA.
So these historical precedents work.
They're not completely applicable to the United States or the American situation, but they do work.
They have been proven to work.
If we can ever find the combination of balls and competence to do these things, then they will work for us.
I like how you pointed out in one of the novels, I forget which, but you basically laid out a correct scenario.
The situation is that Washington, D.C. is trying to win the endgame on global empire, and the number one priority is Israel.
And right now it looks like the number one priority is establishing greater Israel, winning in Syria.
Defeating Russia.
And while they're all tied up with 100 plates in the air trying to spin them, it sounds like that would be a perfect time to try to take the Northwest and declare independence.
In theory, I'm not worried about any serious charges that I'm trying to incite anybody or overthrow the United States by forcing violence or anything like that, because the likelihood that we will ever get that necessary combination of balls and competence...
To do any of this right now is pretty damn slim.
You want to look at what we got to work with, look at, you know, the Bundy brothers and that stupid wildlife refuge thing.
That's just, I mean, oh my God.
I know, I know.
It's like sending the clowns.
So, I mean, the idea that we are capable of any kind of serious political or revolutionary effort right now is ludicrous.
Well, I want to put it out there, just my little two cents.
It's important to me, and I hope that people hear this, and maybe one day if the situation does come about, you need to study the rules and conditions for winning guerrilla resistance.
Having a sanctuary where your forces can retreat to, like in Vietnam, they had extensive tunnel systems, and of course they could run back into Cambodia or Laos where the U.S. couldn't go.
This tunnel stuff, this ought to be something that ought to really be looked at.
Yeah, we'd be like Starship Ruthie in Montana and have all your people living in tunnels underground waiting for the mothership.
I just say that to point that out, that it has been done before.
I keep hearing rumors that there are still some of Starship Ruthie's cult votaries hiding in underground like moles in Montana waiting for the mothership.
Anyway, go ahead.
Well, like I said, I think people ought to study how General Jopp and Ho Chi Minh game-planned to run the U.S. out of Vietnam.
I think that's the working model for the Northwest Front.
I'll leave it there.
Let's go into some of the importance for the Northwest Front.
There's going to be people listening to this, Harold, who are patriotards, right?
They're Glenn Beck, Fox News conservatives.
Why do we need to go to the Northwest all-white people, Harold?
Lay this out.
Okay, because the clock moves forward and never back.
I am 63 years old right now.
I will always be glad that I retain a few feeding childhood memories of a better way of life, but that way of life and that world is gone now.
The Pat Boone world of Bobby Sox and Backyard Barbecues and the Brady Bunch and Leave It to Beaver and all that sort of stuff.
That world had many good things about it.
It also had some bad things about it.
I'm old enough to remember that as well.
The 1950s and 1960s weren't all they were cracked up to be, but you cannot...
Bring back a world, a whole society that no longer exists.
This is from things that we do wrong when we dress up in Third Reich costumes and pretend it's 1933 or the Klan pretend it's 1865 or whatever.
We need to stop navel-gazing back at the past and look to the future.
Now, the future is not very nice.
Right now, there are at least...
Okay, the official population of the United States is about 300.
120 million now, something like that.
I would say that at least 150 million of those are undesirables of various types.
Blacks, browns, gooks, homos, Democrats, liberals, social justice warriors, just various strange and useless people.
A lot of them, I'm sorry to say, white.
Now, let's be realistic.
If we attempt to take over the entire United States from sea to shining sea and somehow bring back the world of the Brady Bunch.
What are we going to do with that 150 million undesirable people?
Are we going to drive them all south of Rio Grande with sticks?
Are we going to pin them up in concentration camps or ghettos?
Are we going to kill them?
All of these solutions require a military power on a level which we will never, ever obtain.
Basically, the United States is heading for a breakup similar to what the Soviet Union experienced in the What will happen here is similar to what happened in the Soviet Union when all these little Soviet socialist republics like Dagestan and Georgia and Azerbaijan and all the Baltics, Lithuania and whatnot broke away from the central power, which was collapsing, and established their own nations.
This was how Eastern Europe broke up as well, which in the long run is all to the good.
Anytime a major multinational or multiracial empire breaks up, that's got to be good for everybody concerned.
But what happened here?
Now, we look at where on the North American continent is it the best in every sense of the term for the white man to try and grab his piece of the pie when the time comes to divide the pie up.
It has to be the Pacific Northwest.
New England is, number one, too small.
It is too close to the major liberal power centers of New York and Boston and the whole East Coast.
The Northwest has resources.
It has the potential for an agriculture that will feed a lot of people.
It has space.
Liebensraum, as the Germans call it, above all, it has a coastline.
It has a history with white nationalism in the form of martyrs from people like Bob Matthews and the Weaver family.
So we have to accept the fact that we are never, ever going to take back the United States from see the shining sea and bring back the Brady Bunch.
It ain't gonna happen.
We have got to start looking forward to the future and not backwards to the past.
And that means we are going to have to, number one, bring as much as we can the white, racially conscious population here to the Northwest homeland, which is what we're doing right now with our Settlers 17 program and other things.
And also, we are going to have to prepare for, in essence, a colonial war against an occupying power, which will be the United States.
Okay, maybe even 50 years ago, this would have been inconceivable.
We have to remember, we're not going to be facing the United States at the top of its game.
This is not the United States who won World War II.
This is not the United States that has ruled the world since we were born.
The United States of America is a collapsing, crumbling society that is in the process of falling to pieces and disassembling and breaking up into its component parts, all the various little...
special interest groups and nationalities and the blacks in the south and the Mexicans in the southwest and the faggots here there and everywhere, blah blah blah.
I would say 50 years from now, there's going to be no more United States.
One way or the other, it might not be us that does it, but when you study history, you realize that there are certain irresistible seismic forces that can't be resisted.
And once a society or an empire goes beyond a certain level or sinks beyond a certain level, crosses certain lines, it's not going to survive.
That has happened time and time again down through history, from the Romans to the Austro-Hungarian, and we're not going to survive either.
So, anyway, that's why there must be a white ethnostate here on the North American continent, someplace which is for white people only, someplace where we...
Can raise new generations of white people in both physical and spiritual safety and with some degree of prosperity.
That has to happen.
And it's only going to happen through, shall we say, very active efforts on our part as a people.
We are going to have to learn to act as a race.
And that's something we've never had to do before in this country.
But it's going to have to happen.
It's going to have to come about.
Or we will perish from the face of the earth.
and I will stop raving out.
There's people out there, the patriotards I call them, the people who aren't race conscious, the white people.
They cling to conservatism like it's some great last hope for them, but conservatism, I argue, is what got us here.
George W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, they did us no favors, really.
than anything.
Will you explain, like you did in your book, the difference between a conservative and a national socialist?
Actually, that was not my explanation.
That was the late commandant George Lincoln Rockwell who said that a National Socialist is concerned about his race.
A conservative is only concerned about his money.
You've got to bear in mind with a lot of these conservatives, though, they do have something of an excuse.
In many cases, they know nothing else and can conceive of nothing else.
They were probably raised in the last of the white middle class environment or milieu.
Maybe they may have strong religious beliefs from the local Sheldon Baptist Church if they live in the South or whatever.
There are still isolated pockets of that old lifestyle in the various small-town areas around the country.
It's not totally dead yet, and if these people were raised in that environment with the last of the prosperity, the last of the summer wine, so to speak.
They may be conservatives because they just cannot wrap their minds around anything else.
They, of course, believe all the lies about Hitler and National Socialism, but that's one good thing I think the alt-right and the internet is accomplishing.
More and more, these conservatives are learning through their various websites that there are alternatives to the American dream.
I put it in one of my books that white Americans right now have a choice between two dreams.
The American dream of old, with all its material luxury and its spiritual emptiness and its belief in basically a system of government that doesn't work.
And on the other hand, it's an older dream, the iron dream.
The dream of the will to power, of empire, the will to survive, the will to create, the will to discover new worlds, conquer new lands, etc., etc.
We can still revive that dream.
Genetically speaking, we white men are the same men that our ancestors were.
You can't destroy a genetic heritage in just two or three generations of political correctness.
That is of the mind.
The things that make white men what we are, the great beings that we are, are in our blood and in our genes and our chromosomes and in our, I think, very souls.
And they cannot be suppressed in just 50 or 60 years of feminism and buggery and bullshit on the TV and forth and so on.
Sure, sure.
I'll tell you what, Harold, you know what scares me?
It's that My generation, I'm part of the millennial group.
What scares me, Harold, is when the baby boomers, who, from my understanding, are the bulkhead of the white population here in America, my fear is that when they're gone, you can pretty much wrap it up.
You can wrap it up.
It's over for America.
Well, frankly, I'm a baby boomer myself, and I can tell you that a lot of our problems come from baby boomers.
Hillary Clinton is a baby boomer.
So it's not as if we were any great shakes of the generation.
And again, I believe that these qualities would make white people unique and would give us all of these great advantages we have in the world.
I honestly believe that they are genetic.
They are inherited.
They are part of our spiritual and chemical makeup.
It's kind of hard for me to, I mean, I don't want to get all metaphysical here, but I believe that even if a remnant can somehow survive, And somehow shake off the invader long enough and all of the poisons long enough to establish a homeland, a state.
Hell, it could even be a small one.
It could be something the size of Rhodesia or whatever.
But where we are on our own.
We can raise an entire generation and more than one generation of young white men and women who have never even seen a nigger in real life.
If we can somehow get that little scrap of our world back long enough to recover, the Timberwolf is starting to come back now in the Northwest and elsewhere, largely because they have been given safe habitats.
And if we can just basically stop the non-whites of the world from hunting by, I'd say, defending ourselves.
In other words, if we can somehow get our act together from that little homeland, eventually I believe we can one day reconquer the world.
Sure, sure.
I just mean more from a demographic and being outnumbered issue.
Every day we march towards being the whites in South Africa, being 9% of the population.
Oh, there's a very similar situation as to what's happening in South Africa.
And the whites in South Africa could still take back the country if they made the effort, I'm convinced.
And I don't know why they did.
That bitterly disappointed me.
I always thought the Boers would fight, but instead of fighting, they're going to their churches and praying.
And that's, I mean, I get it.
But I kind of shock a lot of other people in the movement when I say that even though I lived there, I have very little sympathy with the whites of Rhodesia and South Africa because they deliberately voted themselves out of existence.
Why do you think that is, Harold?
Do they have Hal Turner's and Oregon informants doing it to them?
Well, it's more obvious in Rhodesia, but slowly, slowly, slowly.
You see, they were good conservatives.
They weren't national socialists.
They weren't truly racialists.
Their racial attitudes, as I found when I got there, were paternalistic.
Now, you know, the black fellows one day will be, you know, up to our standard and everything.
But no, no, that's not in my lifetime, of course.
That was their attitude.
There was a general acceptance that one day their countries would be black, but not in my lifetime, of course.
In other words, as long as it doesn't happen while I'm still around, screw future generations.
I noticed this in Rhodesia, especially every Christmas.
They'd be sitting around the hotel bar and the pub, knocking back their castle lagers and their brandy and whatnot, and saying, ah, will this be the last white Christmas we have?
The winds of change are coming to air.
It's inevitable.
We know it's inevitable.
We're just, that's a wonderful country here.
Too bad it's all going to die.
And just really, after years and years and years of propaganda, they allowed themselves to be demoralized to the point where they surrendered, and that's because they were not national socialists.
They had no solid racial foundation for their beliefs, with the exception of the hardcore Afrikaners who had the Dutch Reformed church.
This is another reason why you need, frankly, a religion of some sort, a secular religion like nationalism or a...
Religious religionism, like Christian identity, whatever.
Mere materialistic democracy and a lifestyle based on material things and money and whatnot and middle class prosperity won't cut it.
There has to be a spiritual backing to one's racial survival.
Are the South African people, do you think, like I said, I'm Christian identity, and I'll bash Judeo-Christianity all day.
Do you think they were just too far gone with the Judeo-Christian bullshit?
Is that what disarmed them and neutered them?
It's a very, very complex situation there.
It is really hard for Americans who have never actually lived there to understand those people and what their situation was.
But, okay, Rhodesia eventually died because South Africa betrayed them and cut off that lifeline, as I mentioned.
The South Africans themselves, there was absolutely no excuse ever for a surrender there.
South Africa made everything they needed, including gasoline.
It was called Sasol.
There's just simply no earthly excuse for South Africa to surrender, and this is where I just have to...
But it was obvious for, like, the ten years previous that there was this ongoing conspiracy to turn the country over to the Kaffirs.
The white people of the time saw it.
A few of them even attempted a spasmodic resistance, but once again, the head man in the white resistance in South Africa was this idiot named Jean Terblanche.
And this guy was, I mean, imagine every movement oaf.
that you have ever seen and give him real power and a real movement and that's what you got.
That's why the AWB never actually succeeded.
I try not to go on about all of these defeats in our past because God knows our story is nothing but defeat after defeat after defeat and it gets depressing after a while.
We need to stop concentrating on this and think about winning.
But that whole South African thing and the Rhodesian thing was a very, very complex situation.
We'll put it this way.
They allowed themselves to be defeated in their minds many years before they actually surrendered.
Well, it sure seems that way.
It sure does.
And like I said, this is why I'm scared to death of the white baby boomers going because they're the majority of the white population.
It's like losing half our numbers.
The millennials are majority minority, majority non-white.
I do not want to be in a situation like Zimbabwe or South Africa.
Not a chance.
If they didn't fight...
When they were half the population, I don't think they're going to fight when they're 9%, and I don't want that here either.
Well, again, if you sit and look at the, and contemplate the possibilities for the future, the bad possibilities, it will just drive you nuts, and you will yield to despair, and you will give up, and you'll want to go find yourself a little shack in the woods, or a little apartment in the high-rise, something, and hole up in it with your computer.
That's what I see a lot of these people on the internet.
They're people who've given up and they come home from their shit job every day and they get on their computer and they play World of Warcraft.
White males can create this whole fantasy world that they can live on in the Internet, and the alt-right, Twitter, and whatnot is largely that.
I don't know.
Somehow or other, we've got to snap out of it.
I am right now spending most of my time on Twitter and on the Internet railing and ranting at these people to snap out of it and to get back into the physical world.
I mean, hell, it would help if you just learned to do something that involved getting out of the house and not sitting in front of an electronic screen.
When you look at it objectively, our chances don't look good.
And I will admit that.
All I can say is we cannot give up.
For me, giving up has never been an option.
There are some movement people in my generation whom I have actually had talk to me and tell me that they've made their peace with the system and they're just going to...
Well, like the one guy who actually moved, sold his house in Georgia, and he moved out to Hawaii, of all places.
Because he said he didn't want to see what happened in Georgia when the end came.
He was going to someplace that was already completely interracial, where it already happened, so he wouldn't have to watch it happen in his own hometown.
And he said when the time came, he was just going to walk down on the beach in Maui or someplace.
I think he did move to Maui, actually.
And he was just going to walk into the sea and float away.
I've heard from him for a number of years.
For all I know, he may have done that.
We can't take that attitude.
We cannot just lie down and die because it's all so hopeless and we're all so depressed and we're all so sad about, oh, we've been betrayed and life is hard and all this sort of thing.
I don't know how.
We've got to restore it some way.
That's one of the reasons I wrote those novels.
I tried to show you guys the cover of the puzzle box so that you would know how to put it together.
I tried to show you what resistance and victory actually looks like or would look like in the real world.
And I will keep on doing that until I stroke out and hit the floor or until the secret police come and take me away.
Right now, I myself am operating at probably the highest rate of RPMs I'm going to be able to manage on my own.
The time has come when I have to have some help.
We have to raise some serious money.
We have to get this thing going.
I spend most of my time on the internet shouting and screaming and waving my fists in the air demanding that you people shape up.
Not too much in the way of results thus far, but again, I don't know what else to do.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but people can actually get PDF copies of the books now and read them?
Yes.
My email, you guys copy this down, my email is nwnet, northwestnet, nwnet at earthlink.net.
I have a spam blocker on there because, for some reason, they spam the hell out of me through the website, and I get literally thousands of spams per week, so you will be asked to confirm or something like that, but I will get your email, your first email.
I will catch it, and I will okay you to be on the recipient for my email.
That's nwnet, nwnet, at earthlink.net, and if you contact me, I will send you as many PDF copies of Vital Book as you can possibly shake a stick at.
I will send you all five of my Northwest novels for free.
I will send you the two Matt and Heather novels, which are kind of prequels to the Northwest, for free.
I will send you things like an English translation of Alexander Solzhenitsyn's 200 Years Together for free.
I will send you my weird Aryan history series for free.
And so if you guys are in the mood to read, you will have to read them, admittedly, on a computer screen in PDF.
Or you can, if you've got a good printer, you can print these things off and read them in hard copy.
You can also order my novels still in hard copy off Amazon from Barnes& Noble and Libras.com and other places if you'd like to have a book to hold in your hand or I can send them to you as well.
There is some money involved there because printed books obviously take money to produce.
But I will supply you with everything you need by way of knowledge, by way of advice, by way of inspiration insofar as I can.
What I can't do is I cannot make you brave.
I cannot make you smart and I cannot make you competent.
These things you are going to have to find in your own souls.
Look, I don't want to come off blackpilled, as they say, like it's hopeless.
I don't think it is hopeless.
We still have the Second Amendment.
There's still jobs out there.
There's still food on the grocery shelves.
I think, Harold, out of all the people in the white nationalist movement, you have a big part of the solution.
We need to migrate to the Northwest, be around one another.
And prepare for the downfall of the American Empire and rely on ourselves.
This has never been a case of we can't do it.
We can.
The question has always been whether we will do it.
Right, right.
Now, and some of that, I mean, once we get the baby steps out of the way, I think some of that other stuff that I can't get into explicitly because I don't want to rot in a jail cell the rest of my life, I think some of that will just come about somewhat organically.
It might need a little shove, but listen, if we could somehow get a foothold We could be very enticing to normal, middle-class white people.
We could offer them...
Think about all the student loan debt millennials out there that'll never get out from under that debt.
Well, hey, if you come to the Northwest, and you do as we say, and you live how you're supposed to, and you let us set the guidelines, guess what?
You'll be free from that debt.
You can live here in freedom.
We have a lot to offer these people.
Oh, yeah.
Yes, definitely.
Now, we are getting migrants here.
We get some new ones every year.
I get inquiries all the time, of course, from as many as slip ticks the cup in the lip, as the saying goes, and the number of people who inquire, and the number of people.
I'm sorry to say this, but I'm not quite sure why this would be, but they seem to think that we've already got the Northwest Republic here, and they come...
I was driving through Portland yesterday, and I saw niggers, and I saw Mexicans, and, oh, that's just so horrible.
You betrayed us, Harold.
You deceived us.
There's no big white paradise here.
Oh, they're so liberal here.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And the reason we need to come to the Northwest is not for what it is right now, but for the potential.
It is still a majority white area.
And, again, with just a little bit of effort, that's what pisses me off.
It would take so relatively little effort.
To do what we have to do.
It's not like we're facing the United States at the top of its game.
We are facing a corrupt, sick, half-insane society on the brink of collapse.
Things can be done right now that couldn't have been done even 15 years ago.
If, again, we ever get that ideal combination of balls and competence, which...
Number one, we have to simply be physically brave enough and idealistic enough to be willing to sacrifice ourselves for a better future for our children.
And number two, we have to at least be able to organize a piss-up in a brewery.
And we have always fallen down on both of those counts.
It can be done.
I have this vision of many years' future.
All the old white revolutionaries are getting together around the fire with the cognac or whatever, and they're reminiscing about the old days.
And the general opinion was, God, before we started, we didn't realize just how easy and quick it would be.
I've lived in Ireland during the IRA situation there, and I've lived in London during the IRA offensive in the early 90s that was shutting down the city every week.
I will tell you something.
The people of the United States could not put up with that.
They couldn't make it.
This was in the early 90s and then in the 80s, but then the people in Ireland and in Britain still had a little bit of that residual toughness that came from World War II.
They could handle it.
I don't want to get too close to the edge here, but let me put it this way.
Suppose there was a situation developing in the Northwest, similar to my novels.
The first series of incidents Every liberal, every faggot, and most of the non-whites would simply flee.
We would be able to ethnically cleanse the Northwest with a very, very minimum of effort because basically Americans are middle-class consumer animals.
They don't have what it takes to dig in their heels and resist in a situation like that.
And again, all this gets back to our own weakness.
We are at fault here.
It's not really anybody else.
Right.
Well, I think of the Northwest, it's going to be like the last white suburb around the city, so to speak.
So people aren't going to have a choice.
It's like, well, I'm being run out of my neighborhood.
My neighborhood's 20% black.
If I wait too long, I'm going to be sinking with the rest of them.
Okay, that's a good example.
White flight to the suburb is a good example of what I was just talking about.
When the white man in America, when the American middle class people who grew up under the Brady Bunch system are confronted with something really, really unpleasant like crime and violence and maybe an IRA-style insurgency campaign with bombs going off or whatever, their instinct is to run away.
The white man in America always runs away.
If we could get just a small number of white people who would not run away, the entire logistics situation would be changed.
Let me say something, too, about how enthusiastic or how bright the future is with this.
You were around, Harold, in the white nationalist stuff before the Internet came about.
I see kids that are younger than myself, and of course we've got the older guys, the longtime veterans.
but the 4chan, 8chan, all these young white kids, these kids aren't going to change and jump back to the other side.
Once you come to our side, it seems you never leave.
That's one of the great things about all racial awareness, national socialism, whatever.
Once you learn these things, once you unplug yourself from the TV and the system, you can't plug yourself back in again.
It's like once you see certain things, they can't be unseen.
You are sitting there watching TV, and when the credits roll, for the rest of your life, you're going to notice all those Jewish names.
I've known guys that honestly did get scared or disgusted or depressed, and they seriously tried to back out of the movement.
And they may have cut all actual contact.
Some people do.
A lot of people just plain disappear.
We never hear from them again.
But I can tell you right now, and I've met some of them years later, they always take with them the knowledge, and they always end up drifting back in some form or another because it's like, you know, once you know, you know.
Eventually you get to a point where you have to do something, even if it's only playing on the internet.
A lot of the guys that I knew back in the day Right, yeah.
Well, the internet is the equalizer, and thank God we have it.
I credit all my understanding, even with the conspiracy history stuff, it was only when I logged onto the internet in the early 2000s that I found these guys like David Icke or Alex Jones, Jeff Rents, all that kind of stuff.
So, don't you agree it's been a game-changer?
So, yeah, I think the Internet's been a game-changer, and it would be a lot bleak a scenario if we didn't have these alt-right kids making a lot of noise on the Internet like they're doing, right?
Oh, yeah.
I'm kind of conflicted about the alt-right.
There's no question to my mind that it is a step forward.
I am very impressed, by the way, with some of the things that we have done on the Internet as a community or as a movement, whatever you want to call it.
I'm impressed with some of the YouTubes.
I'm impressed with the technical quality of a lot of the stuff.
There are whole songs and media personalities right now on YouTube, musicians, musical groups.
We're actually making our first primitive cartoons now.
And so finally, at long last, we are beginning to use the Internet to level the playing field media-wise.
I'm very impressed and optimistic about that.
The trouble is, what I can already see happening is we're having difficulty making the next step out of the electronic screen and back into the real world.
The price that we have paid for the internet and all this fancy schmancy electronic stuff is that real physical world activity has almost ceased.
And that was the case up until Donald Trump came along a year ago with his billions of dollars and his ability to rent whole stadiums and his ability to command.
God knows how much media publicity, and he was able actually to get white people into the stadium in some numbers.
That was impressive, but in fact, again, you've got to bear in mind, he has resources that we don't, and probably never will.
So somehow or other, we've got to get the alt-right, the whole idea, not out completely of the electronic screen, because of course we do need media, but we need to start translating this stuff into real-world action.
I agree, and since we're talking about the alt-right, I'm a little bit disappointed.
I know they're young, they're young 20-some-year-old kids like me, but I'm disappointed because they don't know some of the old-timer white nationalist figures like yourself.
They're more familiar with fascist ideology, kind of the more intellectual stuff, but they don't know the American side of it.
On Radio Free Northwest, I periodically run clips from, well, like this week, I ran a clip from Dr. William L. Pierce.
And I have had clips from George Duncan Rockwell back about a month or so ago when his birthday came along.
And I've also run clips from people like Huey Long and Gerald L.K. Smith and Lewis Beam and all these old people.
And I do periodically try to bring the younger people in our movement up to speed on what has been going on in the past.
And I tell them that, yes, we do have a past.
Right.
Well, I think if you can stick to recruiting kind of just like how I told you I came up, I think our best recruiting pool is the alt-right, the Alex Jones crowd.
That crowd is big, and they can be easily converted to our side, I think, because I was part of his camp.
I see it.
I think if we can make it a little bit more appealing to them and kind of ease them into the baby step them into the race issue, I think that's a big step forward.
Well, everything needs...
It needs to be tried.
I'm obviously concentrating on building a white ethnic state here in the Pacific Northwest, but that does not invalidate the efforts of other people.
We need to tackle this on a broad front, everywhere.
Media, converting conservatives.
Now, I'm fairly optimistic about converting conservatives, or cuck, whatever you want to call them, because I've noticed down through the years that white people start.
With a certain level of liberalism, usually in college, they believe all the, basically, they're taught by the professors.
And then they get out in the real world, and they get real jobs, and they start having real families.
And over the years, they become more and more conservative as they notice the bad effects of all this liberal mess on their own lives.
And so it's like they have a half-life.
They started a certain level of liberalism, and then for the rest of their lives, that gets less and less and less and less.
And then eventually, along about the age of their middle 40s, they've become full-blown conservatives.
And in many cases, they're capable of going further because right now the racial situation is bad.
Right now, it is pretty clear as they're learning off the internet that white people are under physical attack as well as financial attack.
The knowledge is there for them to find, much more so than it was back in the days when we were just running mimeograph machines in our garages.
So I believe, yeah, I mean, there's definitely hope.
At some point, however, we're still lacking that spark that's going to get the white man really fired up.
It's like we're trying to start a fire.
We've got a lot of wood, nice fireplace, everything's fine, but the wood is soaked.
It's wet, and so it's like we're trying to start a fire on wet wood with matches, and that can be done, but it's really hard.
We could really use some accelerants, some lighter fluid or some gasoline to pour on there to get that fire going, and I believe that that may happen in the next few years.
It seems like this economy and the American empire can't go on forever, although it could be another...
No, it can't.
Yeah, go ahead.
Nothing goes on forever.
It sure seems that way.
Well, going back to your analogy of the sinking ship, I think the patriotard conservative crowd, they see America as the Titanic, and they think, oh god, we gotta bail out, we gotta stop the Titanic from sinking, whereas really I see it as you're saying...
Guys, you wouldn't try to keep the Roman Empire from collapsing, right?
You're gonna just kill yourself trying to do it.
You're not gonna keep the Titanic buoyant.
What you need to do is grab a lifeboat and get away from it as far as possible.
In our case here in America, that would be going to the Northwest.
Well, we have everything that is needed right now except two things.
We need money and we need bodies.
If you look on our website at northwestfront.org, you will find that we have a constitution prepared for the time when the Northwest American Republic is set up.
We have a party manual, which another thing, by the way, I will send for free to anybody who wants it.
It's called the flight book.
Again, that email address is nwnet.net, and let me know that you want the flight book, the party manual, for the Northwest Front, and I'll send it for free.
And so we already have the framework built.
Like, you know, I started out with this idea many years ago.
If you build it, they will come.
Well, I've built it, and they ain't coming yet.
The solution to your problem...
Your personal problems, your racial problems, the solution to everything is here if you will partake of it.
Now, what's not going to happen is no one's going to hand you or anyone else a white paradise platter.
There will have to be risk.
There will have to be inconvenience.
There will have to be danger.
There's no way that someone, some man on a white horse, is just going to come up and hand white people their own country for nothing.
Very well said.
I'll tell you what, we're running out of time here.
Why don't you give out your contact information one more time, and then any closing thoughts for us, Harold?
Okay, once again, my name is Harold Covington, and I represent the Northwest Front.
Our websites are www.northwestfront.org, www.northwestfront.net, and www.sofrevolution.org.
And there will be some interesting videos on that last site if you want to look at it.
My email is nwnet at earthlinknet.
I will gladly supply you with all kinds of free books, including my Northwest novels in PDF form.
And if you don't mind reading it on a computer.
And my message is the same now it's been since The Front was founded on the day after Black Tuesday in 2008.
And that is white men.
This has to be done, and it's time we get on with it.
Very good.
Well, I agree with you.
Thank you so much for being with me today, Harold.
I appreciate your time.
I appreciate your insight.
And on behalf of everyone, thank you for the Founding Father framework that you've laid down for us.
It's much appreciated.
Thanks for being with me today, Harold.
Have a good one.
You too.
Bye-bye.
Right, there you have it, folks.
Harold Covington, northwestfront.org.
Until next time, this is Ted with Caucasian Christian Communications.
You can find me on TalkShoe if you Google that name.
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Until next time, folks.
Take care.
God bless.
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