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Feb. 10, 2017 - Radio Free Nortwest - H.A. Covington
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This is Harold Covington speaking, and this is a special edition of Radio Free Northwest.
Now, I've mentioned in earlier episodes of the program that Radio Free Northwest got started in January of 2010, and in those days, there were a few podcasts around, mostly operating through services like TalkShoe and whatnot.
But in the past seven years, things have progressed to the point where just about everybody and his kid brother has a podcast anywhere on the right wing or in the white nationalist movement, etc., etc.
Now, normally, I don't scavenge off other people's podcasts, but in this case, I'm going to be playing for you an excerpt from Radio Werewolf.
The hosts are Stephen Lanzer and Jason Goyhammer.
Both of whom are familiar to me through the Northwest Front and through their own work in various aspects of white nationalism.
And they'll be interviewing comrade Marcus from Portland, who is a recent or fairly recent Northwest migrant.
I think this is significant because, as they mentioned, one of the latest rumors that the various trolls are putting around about the Northwest Front is that there's nothing really here, no one's really coming home, so forth and so on.
I do put a few migrants on my own show, but in this case, these guys were able to locate Marcus in Portland and get him to come on the show, so forth and so on.
And I think this show is an interesting example of how other people in the movement, besides myself, of course, view the Northwest Front and the Northwest Migration.
The idea is catching on.
And I think this excerpt I'm going to play for you from the Radio Werewolf podcast proves that.
Yeah, we actually tracked down one of these phantom wolves from the northwest.
Ghost wolf.
Yeah, should we dial up Marcus?
His name's Marcus, so...
Hello?
Marcus.
Yes.
Hey, brother.
How's it going, comrade?
Good, how you doing?
Good, man.
Good.
Can you hear me okay?
Yeah, you're coming in great, dude.
Yeah, we can hear you fine.
Cool.
Yeah, Marcus, this is Steven Lanzer, brother.
How you doing, sir?
All right.
I'm doing good.
Doing well.
Thank you.
Thanks for joining us.
We really appreciate it.
Sure.
Hi to Racing Nation.
Yeah, thanks for coming on.
Thanks for inviting me.
Over.
Appreciate it.
Yeah, well, I told some of these people on Radio Werewolf we got one of these phantom wolves from the Northwest because, I don't know, man, once in a while you hear that there might not be anyone really out there.
Right, it's just talk.
But yeah, I actually took the migratory journey, uprooted my life.
Did what I needed to do to get here.
Yeah, cool.
Yeah, I'm one of the ones that made it home.
How long ago was that?
How long is it since you made your migration?
It's been about maybe around, it's been less than a year, maybe around six months by now.
Okay.
I would say that around probably exactly like a year ago, I was reading the Northwest novels, and I never read so much in a short period of time.
I read them all in like less than a month, and that's like thousands of pages.
Wow, holy shit, how did you do that?
I just didn't stop.
I just kept going.
I totally got sucked in.
I did what I had to do during the day, and whenever I got back to it, I just kept reading night and day, waiting to see what was going to happen next.
From there, the website was in the book, and I looked that up, and I'm like, oh, this is actually trying to make this a real thing.
Like, I'm in.
Before you made the migration out, did you do any scouting trips or make a trip out there?
Because Goy actually did a scouting trip in October.
We did a show on it.
And he was really blown away and impressed.
Did you have done any, like, research beforehand or any kind of scouting trips at all?
Yeah, I did.
Yeah, before going, I researched it a little bit where I think I might do well as far as the different areas.
And, yeah, I took a trip over.
I met with Harold, too, a couple times while I was on my trip, actually, and were able to talk about things.
Given my point of view, my story, what I'm looking for, etc., you know, and kept, yeah, and just kept around, you know, kind of a whirlwind type of tour of the whole, you know, it's so huge.
I mean, according to the Butler plan, I mean, there's so much diversity in terms of different terrains and climates and elevation.
You want mountains, you want desert, you want forest or ocean, you know, there's pretty much everything you could possibly run into.
So I looked at where would be the nicest parts.
And where work would be good for me and looked at those.
And then after that, I was like, all right, I probably did that last spring.
So shortly after reading the book, so like, all right, let me check this out.
From there, once I came back from the scouting trip, I was basically like, okay, let's just, what am I waiting for?
Right.
Hey, Marcus.
Packed up my shit and, you know, I'm a business owner, so I dissolved my business and just got out.
You know, I had some savings I had from work over time and I was like, okay, I'm ready.
Like, you know, let's go.
Hey, brother.
Yeah.
So would you, now, I kind of, when we do talk about the Northwest front, I try not to do that too much because sometimes I feel like an asshole, you know, talking about it so much on Race and Nation.
But when I do, I try to emphasize, huh?
Well, I mean, because I don't want to—Race the Nation wasn't really born out to be like a shill for the Northwest Front.
We're going to talk about all aspects of a struggle, but obviously my thing, or what I think is the best idea, is the Northwest Front, so I will bring it up.
But when I do bring it up, what I was gonna say is I try to emphasize how important it is to read these books because that is wherein the idea really lies that makes it so much different than everybody else.
Would you agree with that?
For sure, for sure.
I think the books have a lot of information.
They have a lot of...
There's philosophy, there's fiction, romance, there's some tactical stuff, there's like a little bit of everything.
And his manner of writing, too, it's very entertaining and captivating.
It's not dry at all.
No, it's not bad at all, man.
I was impressed.
I feel it's very useful to read it for a number of different reasons.
I mean, you can kind of just entertain what the big picture actually looks like and how it could possibly be implemented.
Like he has mentioned, too, it may not turn out exactly the way that he wrote it, and I don't think it will perfectly, but at least you get a sense of different dynamics at play, where things could possibly go, and also what's basically required as far as character.
And also different skill sets that would be needed for something like that to actually work.
I mean, it's basically, you know, we're basically trying to figure out how to create, you know, a new society that would actually last, that would actually work.
Like an ethnostate.
Correct, yeah.
That's really what it's about, you know, as far as...
And also why it's needed, too, and what kind of obstacles are in the way from that being created, too, or adjust pretty well, pretty sufficiently in the book.
Right, and yeah, obviously the books are fiction, but they're fiction because obviously they haven't happened yet, but they're also very realistic.
I would even say sometimes it's kind of like he's kind of laying out a blueprint, but also...
Yeah, he does go into, realistically, what it would take to actually either form or actually force out the Zionist occupational government and make it an ethno state.
Now, it's going to be as hard as hell to do.
If not almost damn near impossible.
And the thing that always kind of frustrates me is if you bring up something like the Northwest Front three and a half states in a certain area, not all the time, but a lot of people will get pissy and say, oh, that's never going to happen.
I'm not going to move, you know, this and that.
But a lot of times I hear people talking about an ethnostate or taking back the whole country.
And you're telling me that's realistic instead of taking like three and a half states from these pieces of shit?
You know what I mean?
Totally, totally.
And I can kind of, I can understand in a way as far as where they're coming from.
I mean, there's a lot of people that have had, I would say particularly perhaps in the South too, and in Northern places too, where they've lived for generations.
And there's generations of their family have lived there and they're like, this is my land, you know, no one's going to take it from us and all that.
And I kind of understand where they're coming from with it.
But at the same time, it's this creeping death.
That is just growing over time as we're being demographically replaced all over the country.
And it would be way, it'll be way, way harder to kick out all the MUDs and Jews from the United States.
We're talking tens of millions of people versus our three and a half states.
To take it a step further, I would say we need to consolidate.
We need a base.
And I think the Northwest can serve as that base to grow, to create our ethnostate, and we can, and just like how Israel is gobbling up territory, we can then, we can perhaps retake America as a whole, perhaps eventually.
Yeah, exactly.
But we need, I think it is way more likely to fail if we try to take over, if the whites decide that we want to take over America for ourselves.
There's just way more opposition.
Yeah.
There's way more numbers to deal with.
Right, and you're absolutely right.
I mean, Lanzer boy, we've talked before.
You know, those boys down in the south, them southern boys, man, they're dug in like ticks.
And the Appalachians, they're not fucking going nowhere.
I've been all through the apps and chunks of Arkansas and moonshine country and Texas and all that.
And those boys aren't going anywhere.
But I want to address a couple things and bring up a couple points.
Race and Nation does cover a lot of different movements, and the reason why we tend to focus, I wouldn't say a lot, but attentively to the Northwest Front is because it is somewhat of an active movement.
I don't think it's as active as it should be.
This is my opinion, but it's a little bit more shadow.
We can get into that later.
But Lord Goyhammer is obviously a true 100% believer in the Northwest Front, and that's why we do address it among all the other organizations as much as we can cover as possible on one.
A couple of questions I wanted to ask you, Marcus, was you said you were a business owner and you dissolved your business and you moved out.
Was it hard to reestablish yourself as far as getting employment or did you open up or continue your business once you were resettled or did you just find another job?
How hard was it to find employment in whatever field that you tend to be doing?
Yeah, I would say that I'm still working at it.
I'm having money coming in.
I'm expecting it to grow over time as I'm reselling because part of it, too, is also finding...
I'm going into the territory, but it's also like, all right, finding where the right little microclimate is within it as far as business and that sort of thing is concerned.
So, I mean, it's not...
I would say everyone that would be coming or had coming, I would say they have different types of challenges.
It wasn't just like a job transfer.
Right.
It was also like a starting over again for me, which I accepted.
Sure.
I think it came with that.
I was willing to take that risk and be like, oh, all right, I had to walk away something I've been working on for years and recreate it again.
And it's happening at a usual pace.
It's not happening too fast, not happening too slow, but it's happening.
And I'm just glad that I'm doing it here rather than where I was.
So, besides the financial worries and woes, which would go with anyone moving especially that far away, was there any personal hurdles for you, like family, or that you had to settle down?
I mean, I imagine, are you a single guy?
Did you just have to worry about moving yourself?
Was there any other personal hurdles that you had to conquer to kind of get from A to B?
That might be a little bit personal.
No, it's okay.
I would say I had it easier.
I was, yeah, I was single at that time that I moved.
So I can see, you know, it was less complicated where I only had to, I only had a plan for myself.
Right.
As far as the move.
I mean, it's still, I mean, I have to admit too, I mean, there is some culture shock as well as some like cultural detoxing that happened to me once I came here.
Because I have lived near or around or in a lot of metropolitan cities all my life.
In order to survive the bullshit, I had to, like, normalize the bullshit in a way just to get through the day.
And so coming here is like, oh, shit, you know, it's like it's way more, way, way more whiter.
And all just the little messages and conditionings about who, you know, what kind of beliefs and who we're not allowed to hate or, you know, and how we're supposed to act and be and believe in and all this multicultural garbage that's been shoved down our throat pretty much the whole lives.
You know, that all had to be dumped.
It's definitely like an emotional, psychic poison that had to be drained out.
You said you had met with Harold Covington, and I was also curious, is there an active network to get you guys together and focus on what needs to be done?
Is there a collective...
Just a collective, I guess?
Or you guys just kind of left your own devices, more or less?
It's a little bit of both.
I'm sorry, dude.
I'm sorry, dude.
I just wanted to cut in and say, so is Harold Covington real?
Who said that he wasn't?
He's actually a real-life person.
He's not just a ghost.
A disembodied voice.
I am your father, Luke.
Who's disputing that?
No, dude.
Not you.
Oh, okay.
I thought you were trying to put that on me, man.
No, no.
And then there's rumors he's an Indian and shit like that, dude.
I've heard it.
Oh, dude.
He's been around for years and years, even before the Northwest Initiative, man.
He's a splinter off the Rockwell time, dude.
Oh, yeah.
He's been around for a long time.
Yeah, go ahead, Marcus.
Yeah, if you want to call it the old guard or something, he's like one of the last few remaining survivors of any nationalist movement that's been happening since the 50s or 60s.
Exactly, and that's why I'm trying to give the guy a benefit of the doubt, but I don't have a lot to chew on, and that's why we're having this conversation.
But yeah, back to my question, I want to know, is there an active collective process for networking with other people and or families or whatever?
Because that would be a huge incentive if there was.
Yeah, and it's in the process of being created.
Not to make too many analogies to Israel, too.
There isn't how they can have a whole birthright and there's a whole agency dedicated to relocating members back in.
We would like that to be in place in the future.
Right now, he does his best, too, to link up with people that are in the same area to try to get people to connect and actually have real relationships in person.
I mean, I think that's a very important part that makes us different than a lot of other movements, too, which are all Internet-based.
He actually wants to have real relationships with people that live close to each other so that we can actually form somewhat of a society together.
Just to clarify, yes, we do have a rudimentary network here in the Northwest.
It is, I agree, far too rudimentary.
We should be much farther along now than we are.
You guys who receive the organizational letter, or orglet, will know that I am working right now on something I call the Great Project.
Which will effectively deal with a lot of these rumors and a lot of these problems and a lot of these issues that these guys are talking about.
And they are legitimate issues.
The Orglet is available to anyone who helps the Northwest Front or the Northwest Republic in some manner besides words only.
You have to actually help in some concrete, real-world, physical manner.
Now, yeah, you can contribute money.
Members of the NPA who kick in their $10 dues every month get the org let because kicking in that $10 is something besides words, but it's not just a money thing.
The organizational letter list is for those who actually help in some real concrete way other than words.
And I've interrupted enough now.
Yeah, I think that's the next bed.
Big step and probably the biggest hurdle.
I mean, it's great getting these guys, and obviously I'm not trying to downplay your move, because it is a big move, but I remember me being a youth in my 20s, I pick up my shit and pretty much go anywhere and everywhere.
I think once families make the move out there, it'd be great once they're away from family and their support system to have some kind of real tangible network of people who will be there to kind of help them sort this kind of shit out.
I mean, I think that's a long way down the pipe, but I definitely think it should be.
Oh, of course.
Things that get done, you know?
Sure, of course.
I mean, and I think it just boils down to how does a movement actually start?
It takes people in the beginning to start the snowball effect.
I would say like we had a whole, if we had a shiny, you know, travel agency slash homecoming type of organization that will fly people over and have fancy graphic design to impress them with.
And, you know, little like gift bags or whatever the hell.
I think part of it too is having that type of incentive.
I think even with that stuff, if we had that stuff in place today, I think still a lot of people won't follow until our victory was practically certain.
And then everyone would jump on the bandwagon in a heartbeat.
You know that's going to happen anyways.
I wanted to touch base on one thing.
So with that being said, do you think that with the rumor mill coming down the pipe about Trump taking so-called white supremacists off the extremist list would bring in possibly more people to the Northwest Front as being less taboo and being part of any kind of working or active white organization?
It's possible.
I'm really curious to see how he's going to...
That's a move he hasn't pulled yet, and we have to see, because he's just acting like a wild card in some ways, that, you know, he's doing things that are, like, both pro and anti-Jew, too, at the same time.
That you're just like, what the fuck is this guy really up to?
No one really knows.
And I think that'll be a major show of where he really stands and how he treats the evil Nazis.
Yeah.
Just be like, if he's...
Yeah, if he lightens the whole crackdown, then that would be very interesting.
I think it might inspire people to actually maybe go a little further than they would have.
Yeah, that's what I was touching.
We had a short segment before we called you up, and we were talking about that specific thing.
I brought it up.
And I tend to agree with you.
I think that it actually would make it less taboo for people to join a group or even talk about race to a certain degree.
I know a lot of people that are racially awake, possibly, but not racially active.
And so it's kind of hard to get them kind of like moving along.
Let's go, let's go.
And they're all worried about, big brother come kicking in their door.
Sure, sure.
It'll be interesting to see what happens.
I think it's a good time.
Things seem to be meshing up pretty good, so hopefully They would like to see more boots-on-the-ground type activity coming out of the Northwest.
I don't want people to do the hard work before Goy gets there, or even if I decide to go out there.
No, man, I told you, man.
I'm going to be front...
I'm going to be vanguard, dude.
Yeah, I know.
He wants to go down a blaze of glory.
Yeah, I don't give a shit.
No, I'm not going to be one of these trickling in at the last minute fucks.
We'll play the bagpipe play, brother.
Yeah, that's fine.
You play whatever you want, man.
Just bury me in the tricolor, dude, and call it a day.
I want to Krigsmarine myself, but okay.
Hey man, I read those books way too much, man.
I think I went through them all three times already.
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
I know, I gotta take a second read.
I know I'm gonna get even more stuff out of it than I did the first time around.
You do, man.
It's like anything else.
You watch a movie, you start picking up new shit you didn't the first time.
No, I just want to bring up just what you're saying about now we're in the era of Trump and what does that actually mean for us, as well as some of the stuff you were talking about last week with the alt-right and everything.
I want to bring up, like, a positive about the alt-right is that they're bringing a lot of messages.
Obviously, a lot of them, you know, hiding behind their keyboard.
But, I mean, all the memes and the videos and just the talk and comments and stuff coming out now are way more right, far nationalistic, and anti-Jew than they've ever seen them.
So I would look at it as like they're at least talking about it and maybe if Trump is kind of giving us that permission slip at least a little bit, maybe they can go a little bit further into maybe this could really work.
A little bit more incentive to actually like, hey...
You can possibly really have this life that we want.
It may be possible this time.
I agree and disagree to a certain degree.
I mean, I definitely think their messages and what they, and we've brought this up, Goy, about how they've gotten their foot politically in the door more than any so-called...
I use the term loosely when describing the alt-right, white nationalist party, if you will.
But they don't represent national socialism in any degree.
And I don't think they even go around calling themselves national socialists.
But if they do open up people's eyes, and if they try to follow the alt-right, and they're like, I don't want to follow faggots and Jews, then maybe we'll get those leftovers.
Maybe they'll trickle down and look for some other outlet, possibly an outlet like the Northwest Front.
So I agree to a certain degree, they could be used as a catalyst to kind of...
I don't want to get people, as I said earlier, moving down the line, but it would be great to say, okay, well, yeah, these guys are, what the fuck's this Milo guy about?
He's a fucking queer.
I don't want to support that.
So they get some of his leftovers, right?
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, someone had to post the video Hitler vs.
U-World Order that I watched that was the Fred Pill for me.
Someone else put that up for me, and I went with it.
Obviously, everyone's making their own decisions, how they want to live their life.
And I wouldn't say the alt-right is all positive.
I think there's a lot of controlled opposition going on.
There's a lot of corruption, distraction.
And I call it instead of leaderless resistance, I'm calling it directionless resistance right now because they really don't have any plan.
I mean, that's part of the thing that got me interested in what Harold had to say.
He's like, wow, someone actually has a plan.
Exactly.
That could possibly work.
And I haven't seen anyone just like, oh, we're going to just take over America.
Like, okay, how are you going to do that?
I don't think a lot.
Yeah, I mean, the most people that I've networked with and talked to and seen I grew up in, it seems like a million years ago now, didn't have a directive as far as Northwest Front.
We also didn't think we were going to take over America.
We basically just kind of had this feeling that we're going to have to find some property, find some land, get off the grid, kind of do...
More of like the lone wolf thing.
And I think a lot of guys my age, and I'm assuming me and Goy are probably a bit older than you by far, I'm creeping up in my mid-40s.
So it's like...
I'm in a similar boat.
I'm in a similar boat.
Oh, okay.
Because you sound pretty young.
I'm not in my 20s.
So, I mean, it's also, too, I've actually came to, I've matured as an individual, and this was part of, okay, you know, what is this life really about stage?
What kind of role do I want to play?
That was really part of my awakening, too.
More than, you know, anything else that I've done, you know, everything else I've done before, it brought me to this point.
But I don't want to dismiss or put down other white nationalist movements, but in that point of, yeah, you know, I kind of fantasize about that, too, about having this community that kind of functions as this interdependent little...
Island that is shielded from whatever big America is doing around it.
And that could be a possibility, but it can also function within the Northwest Territories, too, because if you're just an island, I mean, we're just going to be a bunch of islands that are going to gradually be replaced.
Yeah, you're going to be replaced.
If there isn't an overarching change.
Yeah, you're going to get picked off, dude.
Exactly.
You're just all sitting ducks.
You're like, oh, hopefully it doesn't...
You're just kind of waiting.
Hopefully it don't come today.
Fucking wake-o-us.
Yeah, that's what I mean.
You can't just do the community thing.
I hear a lot of the communities, communities, communities.
Well, that's fine.
If you can build a community, that's great.
But you know what?
Your community is still subjective to the Zionist occupational government laws.
And they'll send in their troops and fuck you up whenever they want.
You have no protection in your communities across the United States.
So why the idea of a three and a half state, everyone moves their ass there.
Build up whatever you need to build up, and then I guess we can ask pretty please with sugar on top if we can have the three and a half states, but you know goddamn well that's not what's going to happen.
Right.
It's really an interesting time, too, with the age of Trumpledore, too, because we're seeing other groups asking for secession, too, at the same time.
The Cal exit crap happening.
Yeah, that's funny.
You know, the blacks want some southern states, and the Spics want southwest in California.
And that's going to help.
Right, exactly.
I'm like, all right.
We'll take ours.
You'll take that shit.
It'll make it a little easier.
Done and done.
It's a greater love for our people than it is hate for other people not like us.
We want to be in charge of our own destiny.
Is that too much to ask for?
Right, exactly.
Obviously it is for the Jew bastards.
Oh, it is.
They've been fucking with us since day one.
Yeah, they've been keeping that simple, simple message that you just voiced to the normal center-middle, middle-right, center-right, conservatives, Republicans.
Dude, if they could just figure that little part out, dude, how much better shape we would be in.
I do not.
Let's be in the game.
Let's be in the same game.
Everyone else is a loser, you know, but we'll be on the opposite side to look like that we are the opposition.
It's all the conservatives and all the alt lights.
Like, fuck Alt-Reich.
I want Alt-Reich.
I want Fourth Reich.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
As far as, like, a structure that actually has a direction and purpose.
Well, I think it's interesting times, man.
I mean, I can't recall a time, possibly the late 80s, when I was seriously a kid and seriously active on a very, very street level, that there's been an uptick in a lot of white nationalist activity, and one of the biggest problems that Goy always brings up, and I...
I do agree with him on is the splinter of having 300 so-called different hate groups spread across America and no way to join them together or cohesively exist or this guy doesn't like this guy and that guy doesn't like that guy.
And I think, again, we as a people are our own Achilles heel, if you will, to our success.
And it's not enough to be racially awake and active.
We've got to stop attacking each other and start trying to find some way, just not to convince each other to move out to the Pacific Northwest, but we've got to literally start finding some common ground.
I know, I know.
Someone had a solution to that.
We would be in a much better position, big time.
I mean, that's the thing.
There's a good side, you know, I encourage people's different views.
It's not like a one-size-fits-all, but we have to find an agreement on some common values, common direction.
It's almost like some member gets pissed off at the leader, and I was like, oh, fuck this guy, I'm gonna start my own group and bring some people with me, and then it's like it's just constantly being fractured, and that's exactly what the Jews want.
Divide and conquer.
The more disorganized, the more distracted we are, the more we're fighting each other, the more they win.
And it's been like that for a long time, and what I was getting to the point was, it's really a shame, because right now, with the Iron's as hot as it is, we really can't afford to keep doing that.
So hopefully, I don't know, we'll figure it out.
I don't know.
Now's the time to get our shit together.
I think this is the window that we really need to take advantage of.
I agree.
Trump is not going to be here forever.
No, it's the last window that's open, dude.
This has got to be the...
I thought we were out of windows.
I thought they were all broke, dude, and boarded up, dude.
No, this is the last window.
Exactly.
And Trump, and he's not our savior, he's buying this time.
We have to embrace that.
Because he'll be over...
Even if he gets his eight years and he succeeds at everything they set out to do, they can just turn around and reverse all that.
Like they're desperately trying to do after being in office for two weeks.
And that's my biggest fear too.
And I noticed this kind of like...
Getting Orwellian really quick here, but my biggest fear is after Trump leaves office, I feel like whites in general are going to be held accountable and punished for Trump's actions.
Oh, yep.
I think that's when the shit is going to hit, and I think that's when the window, like you said, will be closed.
We're going to have to atone for Trump's sins, if you will.
And I think that is coming.
Yeah, I wonder too, like, what's the more effective recruiting tool?
Like, would it be like what we're trying to do where you can move voluntarily, get your shit together, get with the right people and have things set up versus how many people are not going to wake up until the gun is pointing to their head?
When they're being hunted like animals.
That's a good point, and that's always been our look on it, but I think now in this political climate, it's going to be even more to fever pitch, because like you said, you can kind of coax them over lazy-daisily over there while things are good, or you can wait until the tide comes in when the shit's going to hit the fan, and it's not going to go back to way as shitty as it was under Obama.
It's going to be worse than that.
I think the next demographic wave will be worse.
Because now they're just going to have...
We've raised the stakes.
The one thing about the left and the one thing about...
It's all being polarized right now a lot.
They're persistent and they don't forget.
And I'm telling you, it's going to be bad after Trump leaves office.
It's not going to be something that would be taken lightly.
And I do think that would be the last window to close once that happens.
So I do agree with you on that point.
Oh, yeah.
I don't know.
He's smart enough to be the kind of guy that he's going to correct a lot of bad laws or he's going to correct a bunch of bad laws that we have, I think.
So when he is on his way out, it should hopefully be impossible for illegals to vote.
It should be a lot harder for vote fraud.
It should be a lot harder to maybe hack these voting machines or whatever.
And then who knows?
Hopefully by that time, CalExit is successful and then you ain't got to worry about California.
You know what I mean?
So I could maybe see that happening too.
Bring the wall up along the fault line there.
It's like, alright.
Yeah, keep that fucker going.
Yeah, we're not going to have to worry about California too much longer.
Yeah, exactly.
You know what though?
When you were talking about The alt-right, I just wanted to make a quick comment.
I do agree they do bring tons of great content and information, you know, that definitely wakes people up.
So I'm definitely in agreeance that the alt-right is basically a really, I'd say like a really addictive gateway drug for normal people maybe.
But other than that, you know what I mean?
It's the pot of fascism.
Just take a couple hits.
Couple memes.
And then, you know, because, dude, once someone's eye is open and you show them reality, they can never get that out of their head.
They can never not see that again.
I don't know if that makes sense.
Yeah, it's true.
I mean, it's true.
It depends on how far down, you know, the proverbial rabbit hole they really want to crawl.
Some of them are happy in their little Nestle, Wesley, alt-right.
I think there's going to be some of them that are going to dig a little deeper and go, no, I want to go this way or I want to go that way.
That's what I was talking about earlier.
It's a catalyst for opening up people's eyes.
But that's all it's really good for if you really want to get serious about white nationalism and if you really want to dip into national socialism.
It's a big step.
It's not just a little, hey, I'm alt-right, now I'm a national socialist.
No, there's some awakening, a little bit more awakening for you to jump on my boat.
It doesn't happen just from following memes.
I think some, like I said, are going to be happy nestled in their little alt-right fantasy world of just being really cool and conservative and whatever.
And watching Murdoch Murdoch videos on YouTube and shit.
And I think they're funny.
I watch them too.
But it's like, that's the whole digital...
Generational resistance, risk-free resistance, as Goyammer likes to coin.
I actually love that term.
I've been throwing it around everywhere.
I stole your terminology, Goy.
And so that stops at a certain point.
Okay, as every fantasy or every, I don't want to say fantasy, I guess that's right.
As any kind of virtual resistance, whatever, risk-free resistance, there's a stopping point.
How far do you want to take this?
How far do you want to go?
And at that point, you kind of almost got to ditch the alt-right scene, unless you like getting your ass kicked at Berkeley.
Unless you like going toe-to-toe with Anna.
And you've got to start looking for other like-minded folk, reaching out to organizations, try to gather, try to read information, this and that and the other.
And that's going to take you away from the alt-right because I think it's more virtual.
And then you're going to start getting into more history things.
So where's your ancestry?
You know, just on and on and on and on until you stumble across something that fits for you.
And that's the only use that I believe the alt-right serves a purpose for is getting people through the initial door.
And then once they're in the show, It's a modern day propaganda tool.
And it's the blessing of the curse of the internet.
Two.
You get a lot of message out.
You get a lot of messages to a lot of people.
But if people just stay in their little islands, then it's just an illusion of togetherness.
It's not together until we're together as a people.
It's not together until we won, until we take control of our own fate, that we put a halt to the white genocide happening now.
It comes down to, are you willing to bleed for your beliefs?
That's really what it boils down to.
And that takes the form of the literal bleeding, but also just the hard work and effort.
I'm not expecting everyone interested in any kind of white-resistant movement to be riflemen.
It takes a whole mess of people with different skills that have to come together.
I would say to make parallels with the IRA, like the saying goes, they had a very small number of active members, active trigger people, but they had a lot of support people too.
And that's what it takes to win.
It's not just the people fighting on the street.
It's like who's going to support them and who's going to help recreate the nation that we're trying to create.
It's not just to address some people that will be, you know, are not into, don't want to go, that aren't willing to commit violence or just associate it with just violence.
Like, no, it's also people in a variety of skills that they can offer to the movement.
Everyone counts.
Medical, along with everything else.
Medical, transportation, communications.
I mean, pretty much any other tangible skill that is used in modern society will be necessary to create the Northwest Front as well.
And technical.
Yeah, and technical skills too.
I mean, yeah, really important.
And it's almost like you read, like you just go back to the Brigade and the Northwest novels.
When you're reading it, I definitely recommend that you read it.
At least read the Brigade.
And also try to, like I did, When I was reading it, try to envision where do I fit into this story?
How could I fit into this story?
I think it's a good thing to keep in mind when you're reading this stuff.
We're all playing.
We all have a role in it.
Yeah, it's almost kind of like broke down a mafia scale.
You got your numbers runners and your package boys and you have your drivers.
And then you have your soldiers, and you have your safe houses.
Yeah, you have your underbosses, you have your bosses.
You have a huge network.
It's not just drive-bys, dude.
Yeah, because that won't create change in itself.
I mean, it'll create a potential doorway for change, and obviously...
We would like to minimize as much violence as necessary, but yeah, it's not just violence.
It takes all kinds, including negotiation skills.
People even, you know, obviously we don't want to have lawyers because they pretty much all suck.
No lawyers, yeah.
And it's all pretty much handled, you know, man to man, you know, if there's any kind of disagreement.
I think it's...
Really important to understand, though, and you did touch on it, dude, and I forgot exactly how you put it, but you were pretty damn close.
Revolutions aren't won, really, without people taking risks and making sacrifices.
And everyone's going to have to do that.
If you think about it, and I think that's why those novels help, man.
You kind of get an idea.
It kind of eases the pain and the fear of what you think might happen to you.
It's not as scary or as frightening as you think.
It kind of helicopters you into the thick of it and brings you out, and then you're like, I'm not the same anymore.
Yeah, but you just always got to keep in mind that it's not going to be easy.
It's not going to be easy.
What we want an ethnostate, nothing about an ethnostate is going to be easy.
And throughout history, we've always had to work hard.
We are the builders.
We are the destroyers.
We are the conquerors.
We are the inventors.
But we've never accomplished anything like that without risk or sacrifice.
I know it's just, yeah, go ahead.
What's the price to pay for doing nothing?
Like, it's going to be hard either way.
You know what I mean?
We're going to have to bust our ass to survive.
The way the world's changing so rapidly, everything's going to be hard work.
It's going to be hard to make a real change that could stand and to secure our own destiny.
And it's also going to be hard to just let the buds creep in.
To let the Jews take a little bit more out of your paycheck every week until there's nothing left to actually fight for because they've taken it all away.
That looks like a lot harder pill to swallow for me, at least.
I don't know, man.
When I came out northwest, though, dude, me and Mrs. Goydu, we drove around the whole western side of Washington.
We went everywhere west of the Cascadian Mountains.
And, dude, the whole time, dude, for, I think we were there four or five days, dude, the whole time, I'm thinking, there is no way in hell that I am going to surrender this land to anybody that is not white.
There's the beauty and the natural feelings, like, dude, it was weird, man.
It felt so good.
It's like, this is my environment.
Not that there's not beautiful places throughout the whole country.
I'm not saying that.
But when I was there, I was just thinking, this is one area of the country that should not be abandoned or given to muds or the Jews.
Dude, this is Aryan land.
It's a magical place, right?
Yes, dude.
Yes.
Yeah.
And that's important.
That's important, too, that you feel a sense of home within you being on this land.
You know what I mean?
Because that's going to be something that's worth.
It's worth defending rather than just like kind of a mental exercise in securing, you know, or just picking somewhere to live.
It's like having a sense of this is home, I think, is really important.
This is where I feel right.
Oh, Lanza, you were in Texas for a while, but I mean, I've been in Wisconsin for, born and raised in Milwaukee.
It's not like Wisconsin isn't beautiful, but, and I'm not that cultured and traveled.
I mean, I went far south as West Virginia, and it's about as east as West Virginia, and I never really went west, but man, when I came out there, I was like, this can't be, it was like surreal, dude.
I was like, this can't be happening.
It's hard to explain, man.
It's so beautiful out there.
They got something for everyone out there.
I'm just attracted to the west side of the Cascadian Mountains, whether it's Washington or Oregon, but the east side of those states is probably Just like Wisconsin.
And then you have Idaho and western Montana.
I mean, those are totally different landscapes, but just as beautiful.
There's desert, too.
I mean, people that, you know, you just think Pacific Northwest is just rainy and green.
There's a whole desert regions, too.
So I think people that live anywhere else in the country could find a place that is very similar geographically and weather-wise to them here in the Northwest.
Yeah, if they really needed to find something there, you know, similar.
Yeah, that might be useful.
If they're used to it, they like a certain type of weather and climate, like, we got it all here.
Yeah, exactly.
As for, like, Wisconsin weather, though, I'm done with this shit, Lanza, boy.
These summers, dude, and the winters, no, dude.
I'm so tired of that shit.
You should go down south in July, man.
Get a whole new step for winter.
Yeah, I'll take a shower every two hours while I'm down there, too.
The only thing I like about Wisconsin, I like having seasons.
Down south, you don't have seasons.
It's different shades of hot.
I don't miss that too much.
Hey, Marcus, you took a pretty big leap, too, didn't you?
Yeah, yeah.
I was from the East Coast.
Oh, shit.
Originally.
So I'm fucking clear across the country to be here.
So it wasn't like...
I've heard of people that keep wanting to extend the Northwest Territory to include them so they don't have to move.
Like, oh, can you just make it in...
Put in Utah or Nevada, so I don't have to do anything.
And they do.
I was listening to a newer podcast, and I'm not really...
Virginia.
Yeah, I want to hammer it, but I'm not gonna.
But, I mean, I can see Northern California, and that's touched on in the books eventually, but there's guys in, like, Alaska wanting it to get extended there, and it's like, you can't just keep extending it.
You know, you gotta start somewhere.
Right, right.
You gotta consolidate.
We're too...
Yeah, it's part of, like, the whole...
Along with the internet thing, we're too dispersed all over.
We can never develop as a true power of people, in a sense, until we consolidate.
Exactly.
That's where we're at with it.
It's going to be another thing about the Trump thing.
It's going to be interesting, not only how does he treat the white nationalists, but how is he going to address the commies, too, with all the protesting and shit?
That shit has to change.
It can't just keep going this way, so it's going to be interesting.
You know, how this whole thing evolves over time.
Give us kind of a...
It's like Trump, like, he's rearranging all the pieces on the playing board right now.
That's how I'm looking at it.
How can we use what's happening now and the changes that are happening to our advantage?
Yeah, I hope he throws those poor bastards in South Africa a bone.
I don't think those people get enough attention as far as, like, you know, people in need and need help.
I think those people are in desperate need of help.
And since they're white, they're being held accountable for the sins of all...
I hope those people are forgotten about.
If and when we do actually create some kind of ethnostate, if you will.
I think that's a group of people that we have at Tenzi to always forget about.
Oh, we won't forget about them.
Yeah, and it's interesting to see, too, that they're almost like, they're kind of like the canary at the bottom tip of Africa.
Like, along with Europe, too, it's almost like whatever's happening there is coming here.
And we're seeing the effects of how they're being treated and what's happening with immigration and all this other crap that's going on there.
Yeah, I've said that many times.
I always look at England.
A lot of my family's from there originally.
My mother was born and raised there.
I look at them and I always think about this...
I see what's going on here and I see what's going on there.
And of course they don't have an armed citizenry, but I look at their political climate and see what kind of shithole state they're in or getting in very quickly.
And I know that we are also following that path.
And so as Europe gets worse, it's going to obviously leak over here and do the same thing.
And they have different avenues obviously to attack us and use against us.
The same theory over there doesn't always work over here.
It also works on the...
White nationalist front as well.
But yeah, Zog's grip is definitely tightening.
And right now it is freaking out because more of us are starting to wake up.
More of us are starting to get active.
And hopefully the Northwest Front will be a catalyst for us gathering and ultimately part of our survival.
Yeah, and it could be too that it's almost like South Africa and other places are kind of like testing grounds for the international Jew.
Exactly.
How can we fuck people over as efficiently as possible?
Also, the chaos that Trump has created, how that could potentially be worked to our advantage would be interesting to explore.
I mean, I wonder if he's going to call out Soros.
That would be an awesome move.
Well, Putin did, so maybe he should follow his lead.
Exactly.
International arrest order freezes assets.
That would be awesome.
One day, man.
One glorious day.
Some of these bastards.
Hiding behind their bodyguards and walls in steel, probably, you know, many meters thick.
But man, I think it's like part of the strategy that you would learn people that have read the Northwest novels or thinking about reading them, you know, part of the strategy that, you know, that I think applies to is that in order to achieve our objectives, one thing that could possibly work that Harold described is that we have to make it not worth it for them to keep fighting us.
We keep draining the resources like Soros just lost a lot of Yes, he did.
With Hilda Beast not winning, and so he's investing more to try to make it back somehow with all the bullshit that he's creating now.
But basically, if there's too much going on, the resources are stretched in.
And I think that also applies to now of how we have a window of opportunity because the resources are being stretched.
The anti-Jew NGOs and the NSA and whoever else involved, they're running around with, there's a lot of death threats.
I mean, all this shit.
I mean, this is...
I think they're losing control.
It's happening quick.
Like I said, going back to the whole window theorem, the last window is open and we've got to take advantage of it.
Like I said, I haven't seen an uptick in this much activity.
20 years, so it's really great to see.
I really can't wait to see where this goes.
Anyways, Marcus, I want to thank you for stopping by Racing Nation today and chatting us up.
Really do appreciate it.
Thanks for having me.
No worries.
Yeah, brother, eventually sometime in the future if you don't mind coming back on and we can hammer out some other shit too.
I'll be glad to.
I think there's so much to talk about too.
There's so much happening that, man, we can just pick one.
We covered a number of different things.
We can easily spend the show just talking about one of these things.
And especially since there's so much happening now, I mean, it's pretty exciting, you know.
Some shit is scary and some stuff is exciting.
I think it's an interesting time to be alive, that's for sure.
Let's see what happens.
Hell yeah.
Let's do what we can.
Let's do what we can.
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