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May 20, 2020 - American Countdown - Barnes

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	Welcome to the day 70.
	Day 80, day 90, wherever you are in the world in terms of the lockdown that continues in different parts of the world.
	We're increasingly as far into the lockdown as we are getting close to election day.
	Tonight, resolve that the government's response to COVID-19 is the great threat, not COVID-19, both to our civil liberties and to our economic future, but also to various presidential and electoral politics that may be coming down the pipe.
	In our daily review of the COVID-19 news, another report that has come out both from the CDC and from a wide range of other studies, including Professor Ianidis at Stanford, a friend of the show, Daniel Horowitz, over at Conservative Review, has the headline, New Study Demonstrates How Low Coronavirus Fatality Rate Is Outside Nursing Homes.
	Indeed, the unicorn simulation models turned out to be completely and egregiously in error, apparently intended to push a particular narrative to favor power-mad politicians and monopolistic philanthropists or disguised as philanthropists like Bill Gates with their own policy agendas they wanted to implement using the pandemic as the pretext to accomplish it and accommodate it.
	And as we now have hard data, what does that data reveal?
	It reveals that unless you live inside a nursing home and have comorbid conditions over the age of 60, your mortality risk from this COVID-19 is less in many cases than the flu.
	That's what the real data is increasingly showing based on the serology studies and surveys.
	There's now studies and surveys that have taken place around the world where they're looking at where people are outdoors a lot, where there's high humidity, where there's a high temperature, where there's good sunlight.
	Those places are experiencing some of the lowest COVID-19 outbreaks, even though they're some of the poorest countries in the world, and even though many of them have not shut down at all.
	So that contrast tells us that being indoors is where the disease takes place.
	And the colder weather facilitates people being indoors, but of course here the lockdowns have made it mandatory for many people across the country and the world.
	An extrapolation of all the serology tests, and those are tests to look at whether someone has the antibodies from COVID-19, it's called seroprevalence, and now there's been dozens of those all around the country and all around the world, including in Santa Clara, Los Angeles, Boston, Miami, New York City, New York State.
	Germany, Iceland, large parts of Europe, and other parts of the world, has been studied and surveyed by Professor Ianidis at Stanford University, and he concludes, quote, that for people outside of the nursing home range, the fatality rate, what they call the IFR, is similar to seasonal influenza.
	That is, in fact, what the... Remember when everybody was making fun of, oh yeah, it's just the flu, bro?
	It's gonna turn out that just the flu, bro, people, we're a lot more right than it's the plague, bro, folks.
	Indeed, outside of hospitals, congested public transport systems, and nursing homes, it appears that the fatality rate is actually even less for people without comorbid conditions under the age of 60 than the flu is.
	That's what the actual hard data shows.
	An additional study from Bloomberg admits that the results of Europe's lockdown experiment are in.
	And what is from the University of Oxford's School of Government did a full study and survey, looked at all of the countries, looked at when they shut down, looked at how much they shut down, looked at the mobility data of how successful they were with their shutdowns, and compared it to the outcomes that they experienced both before, during, and after those governmental actions took place.
	What did they conclude?
	The same thing we've been reporting would be the case for months.
	Quote, there is little correlation between the severity of a nation's restrictions and whether it managed to curb any excess fatalities.
	Indeed, and further on in the report, it goes into what the normal range was, which places were the most severe, and they said, quote, The data show that the relative strictness of a country's containment measures had little bearing on the impact of COVID-19 in their country.
	Indeed, the countries with the most intense lockdowns look likely to suffer the most economically.
	That appears to be ultimately the only lasting impact of the lockdowns, is damage to the economy and harm to civil liberties.
	Indeed, as this headline from Kansas City reveals, more people died from homicide in Kansas City than have died from COVID-19.
	Moreover, in fact, in the United Kingdom, they're discovering that pushing all of this panic porn on the public has led to a fear-addicted populace that now may interfere with the ability to even restart the economy and civil society.
	And that is why, all of a sudden, a new narrative is starting to emerge from some of the institutional locations in the United Kingdom.
	The headline reads, Coronavirus recovery rates are now to be published daily to encourage people to return to work.
	What they're talking about is less than 1% of people who have died from COVID-19 did not have other comorbid conditions, and almost everyone who has got it either ended up asymptomatic, never experiencing any symptoms at all, or very mild symptoms.
	Very few were ever hospitalized, and an even smaller percentage ever died from it.
	Indeed, it's getting to be for some population groups under 25, under 30, you're more likely to die from being hit by lightning than you are from COVID-19.
	They're now having to report that data because they realize honest and accurate data is going to be critical to restoring the economy in various parts of the world.
	In addition, on that economic front, more and more people are identifying the risk that this continues to pose, that the airlines may never come back, that many restaurants may never come back, that many small businesses may never come back, that many various enterprises that are leisure-oriented, such as Airbnb owners, may never come back.
	Airbnb owners are reporting a talking to brokers about trying to dump a large number of their properties because they can't pay the mortgage rate on those properties.
	There's concern that commercial real estate may never rebound between the collapse of malls and the collapse of office space need reflected in what response to this pandemic.
	Hospitals are losing money at a record rate.
	Many of them will never be over 40% of people are now estimated according to the University of Chicago who have been laid off will never get their jobs back that they had before.
	So what is that leading?
	That's leading more people to notice that the stock market's expectations of a future V-like return are increasingly unlikely.
	And consequently, Howard Marks, you can add him, according to the CNBC headline, to the list of notable investors who believe the market comeback has actually gone too far.
	Now, note the market comeback has only recovered 50% of the losses since February.
	And yet, according to him and others, it's the most overpriced market they've ever seen.
	They're saying that because they're seeing what's called a U-shaped recovery, which is a long, slow recovery, if any, like what happened after 2008.
	Or some are even talking about an L-shaped recovery, which isn't a recovery at all.
	You just sort of flatline for decades, much as what happened after the Great Depression.
	Indeed, as Bloomberg notes, the U.S.
	equity markets stubbornly ignore the doom that's happening everywhere else.
	And the question is how long that can last, and whether the equity markets will continue to be inflated by what the Fed is doing in those markets.
	In response, you're having more and more substantial investors look at not only gold, as Peter Schiff is recommending, but people like Paul Tudor Jones bought Bitcoin.
	The way he puts it, the central bank money printing is at a record rate around the world.
	And there's increasing doubts about its ability to increase the real economy.
	If the people who get the money hoard the money rather than spend the money or try to pay off the large debts everybody has rather than do so, that's the kind of cash that's being spewed out of the Fed.
	And increasingly, that's what leads to investors saying now is the time to get on the fastest horse that is outside of the central bank monetary system.
	And they recommend that as Bitcoin.
	Why?
	Because $4 trillion has been printed in just the last two months, which is the equivalent of 7% of all global economic output.
	That's how much added money supply has been put into the economy, and yet the velocity of money continues to decline, suggesting you could have a combined deflationary-inflationary economy.
	Inflationary in the real economy, deflationary in the asset world.
	Meanwhile, the civil liberties and civil rights and the privacy limitations continue to be a hindrance.
	As CNN put out an article today, your car knows secrets about you.
	Getting into detail about how people have been hacking cars to get all kinds of private intimate information as cars have become secret data centers from Tesla to BMW, Ford, Cadillac, Mercedes-Benz, all of these quote infotainment systems have been containing data.
	Where you went, who else was in the car, what you listened to, All of that is increasingly being centralized in a data storage base that can be accessed by others as they wish.
	In the same context, as reported by Breitbart today, progressives are tracking the smartphone location data of lockdown protesters.
	Indeed, progressive activists are using cell phone location data to track the movements of those who have gone and attended anti-lockdown protests.
	This was buried, they buried the lead in a Guardian article that was picked up on by Breitbart.
	The data was provided to the Guardian by the progressive campaign group, quote, the Committee to Protect Medicare, has been tracking cell phone location data of demonstrators to find out who they are.
	The location data was captured from opt-in cell phone apps.
	Data scientist and the firm VoteMap used it to determine the movement of devices present at protests in late April and May.
	Virtually every app downloaded onto your smartphone collects location data, often without disclosing where that data is being sent.
	So more evidence that they're trying to invade privacy under the pretext of COVID-19, not just in the testing and tracing experiment, but also taking place in anybody who would simply attends a public protest.
	Meanwhile, on the economic context, 4 million Americans will get prepaid debit cards this week as a way of getting their relief money.
	This is an easy ticket to a digital currency that could allow the government to have a degree of control and privacy invasion that would be unprecedented and unparalleled if they start moving to a digital currency, government currency-based system.
	In the same context of invasions of privacy, Apple and Google's COVID-19 tool gives health authorities more data.
	Indeed, Apple and Google are developing apps that will allow health systems and the government to access you.
	They even call the system exposure notification.
	In order to help authorities track whomever has COVID-19 or claimed to have it, to track whom they come into contact with, whether that person has it or doesn't have it, this is both an invasion of privacy under the Fourth Amendment, used to be a violation of HIPAA provisions that apparently the federal government has made exemptions or exceptions to, and some state governments have analogous HIPAA laws, and apparently they are trying to do the same by regulatory fiat.
	So you see the same pattern evolving across the world of massive invasion of privacy, a population grid tracking system under the guise of pandemic control.
	Meanwhile, Attorney General Barr is stepping up to the plate.
	Based on suits that I or others have brought or threatened to bring in a range of jurisdictions, the Justice Department is finally threatening to meaningful action.
	Today, they threatened the Governor of California, Governor Newsom, take your pick as his name, and the words from Attorney General Barr was he needed to start reopening churches in California or the Department of Justice would intervene and start bringing its own legal actions.
	That's good to witness and see, as some courts have recognized that parts of the country that these restrictions and restraints on churches offend the free expression clause of the First Amendment to the U.S.
	Constitution.
	Meanwhile, we continue to see more and more people recognize the dangers of a Bill Gates-driven pandemic policy response around the world.
	This is coming in not only from the right, but increasingly from the left.
	Indeed, as this headline is from America Magazine, Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg and the case against Billionaire Philanthropy as we know it.
	Going into details about how this is sort of big trust, monopolistic style politics of the past, disguised as philanthropy.
	People pushing a certain political agenda that has not been approved by the public, often discussed and designed in secret, and then pushed under bogus pretext and propaganda to achieve an objective different than what they're promoting it as.
	That that poses great risks and dangers to us, as everyone should remember from the experience of Microsoft's antitrust policies in the 1990s that led to the Justice Department's suit against them in the early 2000s.
	Indeed, in this publication, Grain.org, which is a small international non-profit, mostly of left-leaning farmer groups around the world, they note the same risk under the cover of philanthropy.
	A monopoly machine at work talking about the dangers of Bill Gates and his related and correlated parties and their goals to manipulate public policy disguised as public philanthropy.
	In addition, there's more commentary and other news today about the railroading of General Flynn.
	As Eli Lake, a national security reporter, went into great detail in Commentary Magazine.
	He explains how General Flynn was railroaded, why he was railroaded, and why his railroading must meet legal remedy and moral remedy in the public arena.
	Explaining in detail all the things that happened, how Barack Obama was behind it, how Susan Rice was implicated, James Comey implicated, Sally Yates implicated, John Brennan implicated, James Clapper implicated, Andrew McCabe implicated, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Bill Priestap.
	Many of the highest ranking politicized members of the Justice Department and the FBI and our intelligence infrastructure in the national security arena conspired to railroad General Flynn and now their political allies and ideological allies in the judiciary and ex-judges are trying to continue to cover up the misconduct that took place, continue to try to selectively prosecute and punish General Flynn that precipitated Sidney Powell's emergency writ request To the D.C.
	Court of Appeals.
	It may reach the U.S.
	Supreme Court as well if there's inadequate remedy from the D.C.
	Court of Appeals.
	In the same context, in terms of dealing with real corruption, leaked tapes show Joe, then Vice President Biden, pressuring the Ukrainian president to fire a prosecutor in return for the $1 billion.
	In addition, it shows him worried about how President Trump might reverse some of these policies or uncover some of these issues right after his election.
	So these tapes confirm what had previously been stated by Biden at the Aspen Institute get-together, where he bragged about threatening a prosecutor with no billion dollars unless he fired the prosecutor.
	But these tapes are even more embarrassing.
	It has the Ukrainian president acting like an employee of the vice president rather than as an independent president of an independent nation.
	It has the Ukrainian president on tape saying, I'm firing this prosecutor even though our full investigation shows he did nothing corrupt or wrong at all.
	And I'm putting in the guy you want even though there's problems or questions about him.
	That's right there on the tape.
	And Joe Biden is just happy to go along with it, to get along, to get what he needed and get what he wanted to preserve and protect his own political legacy of potential corruption allegations, hide it from the Trump administration, and then try to shift the blame when the Ukrainian impeachment effort came about, which appeared much like Russiagate was intended to cover up Obamagate, Ukrainegate was intended to cover up Bidengate.
	And that's what the tapes or further substantial evidence and confirmatory facts behind.
	Meanwhile, Hollywood is mostly worried about the continued effort to big tech censorship, and so they want to join in on the parade, and they want to misuse and abuse copyright laws to try to ban President Trump from using pop culture memes.
	It's important that the copyright laws are designed so that you protect the financial value of an artist's creation.
	However, in order to balance the First Amendment rights implicated in any form of expression concerning anyone else's creation, anyone else's script or writing or artistic work, there is a fair use right under the law.
	And that means that if you are using it for the purposes of criticism, for the purposes of commentary, for the purposes of anything like that that's within the realm of the First Amendment, Then you have a free license to do so and you cannot be sued under the copyright law when you are engaged in fair use of a copyright.
	What they're trying to do is to abuse the power like they have done against people on YouTube and other places where they allege a copyright strike that is not rooted in the law and the facts.
	Indeed, there was a prominent case recently with Sargon of Akkad where a prominent leftist put up a YouTube video crying about Hillary Clinton's loss.
	He sued him, made the mistake of suing him.
	The federal court found it such a ridiculous suit because it was clear fair use even though Sargon of Akkad said nothing whatsoever.
	The personality behind it, Carl, said nothing about it whatsoever.
	All he did was put her up as inherent implicit mockery just to look at what she had presented.
	That, too, was protected fair use.
	And so, obviously so, that the Federal District Court not only dismissed it, but is now considering ordering attorney's fees, and the plaintiff who sued, she's going to have to pay Sargon of Akkad's legal fees for even having to defend the case.
	But here you have Hollywood promising to use its institutional power against meme makers.
	Because most meme makers are small, independent, individual actors.
	People like Carpe D'Antem and others.
	Soul memes and others.
	These are people who create brilliant, ingenious memes that can, by themselves, become political rallying points more effective and impactful than any campaign ad or campaign song.
	And they can become more lasting in their legacy.
	That is why Hollywood is now joining with big tech to try to limit the access of those big memes to be effective and impactful in the public arena by threatening copyright strikes to de-platform people or to even potentially sue people who don't have the legal wherewithal or resources to defend themselves.
	So that's where Hollywood's mindset and mentality is.
	Though of course maybe Elon Musk is at least partially right about his simulation designed world that he occasionally talks about, given this headline from the New York Post.
	NASA scientists detect evidence of a parallel universe where time runs backward.
	So maybe that will partially explain some of the insanity we're currently experiencing in the political arena.
	Meanwhile, we have continued data on the COVID side of the aisle.
	As just a reminder, people have been going through some of what the New York Times and other media published and showing how they completely exaggerated the COVID-19 risk.
	Chart one is a reminder of what happened in terms of what was predicted by the various models.
	In fact, the numbers continue to stay flat until ultimately they went down.
	The models talked about those high crazy numbers were going to happen with hospitalizations and Ventilators and ICUs, they never occurred.
	It was always a lie.
	Meanwhile, if we look at chart number three, we see that the number in terms of who is dying of COVID-19, this isn't the death rate, this is what the age is of the person who has died.
	We see that the numbers are minuscule for people, for children, and yet they're still not allowed to go to school.
	For teenagers and young people, also minuscule, and yet they're not allowed to go out to the park or participate in large parts of public life.
	Indeed, it's only when you get older where the deaths are occurring, and almost all of those, in fact 99.6% of them in New York, are people who had other comorbid conditions or were in a nursing home.
	Meanwhile, a range of economic data continues to show problematic trends.
	If we look at chart number four, we see the National Association of Home Builders market, and we see it's taken one of the biggest collapses and fastest falls in recent history.
	Indeed, the size of the fall is equivalent to what happened in the real estate market collapse in 2007 and 2008.
	in 2007 and 2008.
	In the same context, additional data shows that we're seeing the things that should be going down are actually going up.
	The things that should be going up are going down, and other things are continuing to stagnate across the board.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Meanwhile, if we look at what happened in Georgia and Florida and Texas, we continue to see that those places that shut down late and opened up early continue to see excellent results.
	If we look at chart number 11, we see that Georgia's weekly rate of deaths continues to decline and flatline long after it decided to open up.
	In this time period, it should have been experiencing a rise if, in fact, reopening the economy was going to do that by this point.
	Meanwhile, some political sheriffs are willing to take a stand continually against the rogue actions of their governors.
	This was the Illinois State Police Facebook post which made clear that they would refuse to enforce the governor's order.
	They say the Illinois State Police will not issue any criminal misdemeanors to individuals for violations of the governor's temporary emergency rules or executive orders.
	No individual will be arrested or taken to jail for a violation of his executive orders or emergency rules.
	Indeed, more and more police officers are pushing back, recognizing that the Constitution is their first obligation, not the second obligation in this context.
	Meanwhile, we have people like the Fed Chairman, whose only answer to all of this is just to print, print, print.
	Let's take a look at what he said on CBS's 60 Minutes in video number two.
	Simply flooded the system with money.
	Yes, we did.
	That's another way to think about it.
	We did.
	Where does it come from?
	Do you just print it?
	We print it digitally.
	So we, as a central bank, we have the ability to create money digitally.
	And we do that by buying treasury bills or bonds or other government-guaranteed securities, and that actually increases the money supply.
	We also print actual currency, and we distribute that through the Federal Reserve Bank.
	Meanwhile, what are banks reporting?
	It's apparently the Fed's strategy may be propping up politically preferred actors on Wall Street, but it's not working for the ordinary everyday economy.
	According to this report, chart 19, 18% of the portfolio of a major Canadian bank is already into six months of deferrals.
	They expect a higher level of defaults in the loan book in 2020 than they have ever experienced in history.
	Home Capital reports similarly that they have deferred payments on $3.93 billion because their borrowers are unable and incapable of being able to pay the mortgages due.
	This has led to comments like this business owner, if we look at video clip number 14, who's tired of a lockdown preventing his opportunity to simply work.
	Media has reported certain people have died of COVID-19.
	They haven't.
	Media is reporting nurses crying and saying, oh, you know, I just want a mask.
	They weren't even real nurses.
	And if they were nurses, they haven't worked in the ER or ICU in over a year and a half.
	They're media, the paid actors.
	You've got people with the same image, different names died in different parts of the country with COVID-19.
	But the same person, it's the same image.
	It's all this.
	Hospital footage from one hospital and then saying it's another hospital, saying another hospital.
	All these lies!
	If this was really a true thing, then why is the media not reporting the truth?
	We're living in the age of social media.
	Everybody can pick up a video.
	I mean, you can't trip and fall without it being in social media.
	Where are these hundreds of thousands of deaths?
	Where are they?
	And the deaths that they're showing?
	They're mannequins!
	They're not even real people!
	Okay?
	The footage of doctors and nurses, you know, dancing all over the country.
	Why?
	Because they're idle.
	There's nothing going on.
	And I've said this for 20 years, that if there's another civil war, it will be based upon the issue of vaccinations.
	And it may be a civil war in every country.
	People talk about, do you think World War III is coming?
	I think World War III is coming, but I don't think it's going to be coming like people think.
	I think it's going to be a war on the... Right now, this is an attack on consciousness.
	And I think the war will be within each country, where there will be those that want the choice and those that are being forced to take the choice that are going to revolt.
	And really, all of this is for a mindset and an attitude of Karen's that's gripping the society and the culture, as well depicted in this popular parody that went viral today.
	my business okay and i guarantee you 99 of people who are here will do the same thing and really all of this is for a mindset and an attitude of karen's that's gripping the society and the culture as well depicted in this popular parody that made that went viral today let's take a look at video clip number seven i had to get out of this i'm I thought the coronavirus was all around me.
	Who wasn't wearing a mask?
	Who aren't wearing gloves?
	Some lady was standing five and a half feet away from me!
	I don't know what to do anymore!
	Who do I listen to?
	Do I listen to the experts on TV?
	Or the experts on Facebook?
	What happened to Dr. Fauci?
	How come he's not in the news conference anymore?
	What did they do to Dr. Fauci?
	Oh, my God!
	Did a spaceship land in the Rose Garden and take him away to a different planet?
	Oh, my God!
	I got to calm down.
	I got to calm down.
	Oh, my God.
	What if the virus is out here?
	What do I do with the gloves and the mask?
	What if the virus is on these?
	How do I get rid of them?
	I don't want to put them on the street.
	That's not nice.
	I'll get rid of it later.
	Oh my God!
	I touched the steering wheel!
	What if the virus is on the steering wheel now?
	I just spit on the dashboard!
	What if the virus is on the dashboard and the steering wheel?
	Oh my God!
	I gotta calm down.
	I gotta calm down.
	I was listening to some music.
	Oh my God!
	I just touched the knob!
	One of the fires was on the knob!
	Oh my God!
	Calm down, Vic.
	Calm down.
	Calm down.
	Easy.
	Easy.
	We'll get through this.
	Yeah.
	That's it.
	We'll get through this.
	Wait a minute.
	How do I drive home?
	Maybe I'll call Lucy and tell her to pick me up!
	Wait a minute, I can't!
	What if I take the virus in the hot tub?
	Oh my god, I got it!
	I touched my face!
	The virus is on my face!
	Oh my god, wait a minute, I got it!
	I got it!
	I'll call Uber!
	Wait a minute, I can't call Uber!
	That's somebody else's car!
	One of the viruses is their car!
	One of the guys driving Uber has the virus!
	I got it!
	I'll burn the car!
	That's it!
	I'll burn the car and I'll walk home!
	I'll walk home!
	Yeah, but the virus is out there!
	I can't leave the car!
	What do I do?
	Classic New Yorker's approach to the insanity of what's taking place.
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	Welcome back to American Countdown.
	We're going to be up in a bit with Julius Song.
	You can find her at EV Magazine.
	Also been a commentator for One America News Network and CNN even allowed her to write a column now and then when they're deciding to have some balance in their news.
	Someone who has experienced all aspects of life across the world, both from as someone who was born in Brazil and immigrated here legally to the United States, understands the risk and threat that statism poses as a remedial system.
	Whether it be a fascist sort of methodology of government has affected Brazil and Argentina and large parts of Central and Latin America.
	Or the sort of socialism of the left that infected Latin America as well.
	Anyone that has in-detailed experience with Latin America knows the propensity for it to fluctuate between either a kind of corporate fascism of the right or a statist socialism of the left, neither serving its populace or its electorate well.
	And those attempts of populist reform in Latin America and Central America have been led They faced resistance from both the corporatist right and the status left.
	And so their abilities to maintain and sustain in the same way that Bolsonaro is now trying to do in Brazil, like what Trump is doing in the United States, is meeting resistance in the pandemic political era by regional governors in Brazil, just like the president is facing resistance from the regional governors of the United States and in both contexts, causing just like the president is facing resistance from the regional governors of the United So, Julia, glad you could be with us.
	Hi, thanks for having me.
	So from your perspective, as someone who has seen the world literally, in watching how the pandemic response has taken place in both Brazil and the United States, what are some of your initial thoughts?
	I I think that this is very scary.
	And I mean, one of the reasons as to why I got involved in U.S.
	politics was because I knew all of the incredible signs that were out there You know, in socialist society, so how socialism plays in different countries is depending on the structure of the country.
	But coming up to it is very similar wherever you go.
	So you see a slow demise of things like social liberties and rights and things like that.
	And people say, oh, let's just give up a little bit, a little bit.
	And every year you give up a little bit more to the point where you have a government that is set up nowadays To take all your rights away from you within two weeks.
	I think that for you, who is a civil rights lawyer, it must be very shocking to see all of this.
	The fact that people can't even go work and provide for their families.
	I mean, starvation kills as well.
	And I have been all over the world, and I see how little people live with.
	So I don't think those people can afford to go without work for that long.
	And no politician cares about those people.
	They don't care about the majority of us.
	They care about their own agenda.
	And it's scary how quickly they can put those things forth and how quickly our lives can be affected by it.
	And in terms of your life experience, what led you to want to come to the United States in the first place, given what you're now witnessing both here and in Brazil?
	So I moved here because of family reasons and I had, you know, in Brazil, we gave all that power to the government.
	So by the time I was ready to fight it, the government had so much power and it was such a hard fight that it took a lot from me.
	So when I moved to the United States, I thought, I don't want to be involved in politics, but I saw all those leading signs of people being willing to give up their liberties.
	And this has now started.
	Two weeks ago, or in March, within two weeks, the foundation has been delayed over time so that these rights could be taken away from you.
	And so when I moved here, I saw all of those signs coming into place, and I thought, I know where that leads to, and I have to get involved before the government gets to a point where it's so powerful that fighting it will be a very difficult battle.
	And so I figured at this point I could start putting myself out there.
	There's the First Amendment, there's the Second Amendment, there's all these different civil rights and the Bill of Rights.
	But it doesn't seem to be important to these politicians right now.
	They keep going against the First Amendment, the Second Amendment.
	The Constitution to them is just a game, and they're willing to play by their own rules.
	They're not willing to play by the Constitution.
	So why are the rules different for them than For us, I just don't understand it.
	I think that that's a sign of a government that needs to be looked into very carefully.
	And have you followed what's been going on in Brazil?
	I guess first, there's a lot of sort of different opinions of Bolsonaro.
	What's your take on him and from the people you know in Brazil and your perspective?
	I like him.
	I mean, a lot of the work that I did was to put someone like him in power.
	I think that he's a very honest person.
	I don't think he's a liar or a corrupt person.
	But I do think that there's so many things against him.
	There's the media, there's the different politicians, there's the system of corruption that comes with When you give that much money and that much power to the government, people don't really want to let go.
	So that system, even though we got rid of the president, the socialist president, a lot of those individuals who were part of the spinning wheels, they're still there and they're fighting him at every turn.
	So it's been really difficult.
	It's been almost like a Trump situation where he's trying to push for something and Pelosi and all these different people, they're pushing back.
	It's a very similar situation, but at the same time, I feel like he's well-equipped to deal with it.
	I trust that his leadership will be able to thrive.
	But then again, we need access to data.
	We need access to all these different things.
	And when you put a population that's already in poverty through even more poverty, it's a hard place to be in.
	And yet, Dee, what has been the sort of feedback from people in Brazil about how, is the media pushing in Brazil the way they are here about pushing panic, stay indoors, all of that kind of dynamic?
	Is it similar to what's happening in the U.S.?
	Oh yeah.
	Oh yeah.
	It's worse.
	Um, uh, we have a lot of here.
	We have a lot of strong freedom fighters.
	We have a lot of data at our fingertips over there.
	They have to wait until this data is translated.
	They have to.
	So the panic lasts a little bit longer, right?
	Every time there's the media comes up with a new thing, the panic lasts a little bit longer because people have to wait until somebody who is independent Translates a study that is interesting to them, and then that study becomes mainstream or the population has access to it.
	So you see panic in a lot of parts of the world, and when people are panicked, that's never a good idea.
	There's all kinds of violence going on.
	There's all kinds of population, you know, conflict because everybody is trying to survive in this pandemic world when people are actually surviving this at a rate of 99.9% in most countries.
	So it's a sad thing to see, honestly.
	And can you explain to people, for a country like Brazil that's very export driven, how when the U.S.
	shuts down its economy, some of the states here, that causes major harm in places like Brazil?
	Yeah, that causes major harm everywhere, honestly.
	I think that, you know, we're not considering industries, for example, countries such as, you know, my hometown in Brazil.
	The main part of the economy is tourism.
	There's nothing else.
	So how are these people going to work?
	How are they going to pay their bills?
	They're not.
	And so you have places like in Central and South America and all over the world that people, their whole livelihoods are going to be gone forever.
	And people are not going to want to travel after this.
	They're not even going to have money to travel after this.
	And I have been running weekly reports on financials and economics.
	On 20 different countries all over the world, Africa, Asia, Middle East, etc.
	For example, Jordan, they had a full martial law.
	Everything everywhere is closed.
	You couldn't be on the streets.
	So I think that this also sets a precedent for people who have evil intentions to understand that they can take advantage of this at any point.
	I don't think that there's anything good coming out of this.
	I think that people are going to be starving, the panic, the consequences of the government actions, and the things that could happen from the future now that we've set this precedent.
	Are very terrifying based on my experience, and I'm sure that the experience of many people who have survived government overreach situations.
	Could you explain that?
	How it's the beginning.
	It will look like it's it's necessary.
	It's no big deal, but how that becomes the loss of your core civil liberties over time.
	So it's all for the greater good, and that's one of the reasons that's why I'm being very You know, I'm being criticized for not wanting to wear masks, but I feel like I shouldn't have to cover my face because if I give up a little bit, then there's the next thing.
	They said masks wouldn't do anything.
	They said masks weren't good for nothing.
	And now we have to wear masks and now it's mandatory to wear masks.
	And so if they keep changing the narrative all the time and we keep complying with it and we keep acting like this is all going to be when there's no concrete studies or concrete data that proves to the population that wearing a mask is going to stop the coronavirus.
	It's just not.
	It's just meant to make people feel comfortable.
	And I refuse to make people feel comfortable at the expense of my liberty because there's people who don't feel comfortable with guns.
	There's people who don't feel comfortable with all sorts of different things.
	And their liberty ends where mine begins.
	I don't believe in all of this.
	I think that when you give up a little bit, and there's also the concept of these people are doing their jobs, but the governments have been known for Damaging people, killing people to extents that the coronavirus could never dream of.
	So when you give them a little bit of power, when you're not willing, you know, you have to at least be willing to fight back a little bit.
	When they push for something that takes your liberty away, you have to be willing to ask questions.
	And when you don't, when you simply just comply with everything, even though there's absolutely no rational reason behind it, then you're giving them a message that's very, very difficult to take back.
	So governments are going to take advantage of this.
	They already have.
	They spent the $2 trillion stimulus bill.
	They're working on others.
	And that's, you know, that's going to cause inflation to go up.
	Prices of goods are going to go up.
	But people are not going to get their jobs back.
	Their jobs are gone.
	So we have to be willing to say no.
	At some point, no.
	I'm not even worried about the mask so much, but it's more like the line has been crossed.
	You have to, at one point, stop and ask questions.
	Exactly, and in that same context, because you're describing the risk of inflation that can come from pumping in cash, that can come from all of a sudden your food costs, and I think people that have a more international life experience have experienced that.
	Here in the States, almost no one's experienced that.
	Could you explain what that life can be like where all of a sudden groceries cost ten times more than they did last week?
	Yeah, that was one of the reasons that's why I was so critical of this stimulus bill because $1,200 could help a lot of people, right?
	A lot of people live with, you know, especially if they lose their jobs, they're going to be living under a situation where $1,200 could help them pay the groceries.
	However, when you think about it at a macroeconomic level, when you think about the whole country and all of these different things that come into play, you understand that injecting $2.2 During this bill, where you're injecting $2.2 trillion of money that doesn't even exist, right, in a nation that's already in debt by trillions of dollars, then you're creating inflation.
	So a piece of bread that used to cost $3 now is going to cost $30.
	So even though you have $1,200, that $1,200 is not going to be valued the way that you know it to be valued today.
	It's going to be valued way less.
	So you're actually just getting, let's say, $300 if you consider the prices of goods and how all of that's going to go.
	So one time payment of $300 is not good enough to keep people going.
	But when you put it in the aspect of like the bread and circus type of politics, that's true.
	I'm going to give you a little bit.
	People think about that initial, you know, moment where they're going to get that check.
	But they don't think about the fact that once that check runs out, and it will run out quickly, what's going to happen to us?
	And it's not going to be pretty.
	Not going to be pretty.
	And I think we have the power to stop this.
	If we decide to stop Complying without asking questions.
	We have to ask questions.
	We have to hold people accountable.
	Wait, you say masks didn't work and now you're saying they work.
	What about this malaria drug?
	What about this?
	You know, people coming out saying that there's track and tracing.
	That to me sounds horrifying.
	Sounds horrifying because it is a power that could be used for good, but it will be used for bad.
	It could be used for bad.
	It absolutely will be used for bad.
	So why would we give them that type of power?
	I don't understand that.
	It's beyond me.
	Could you describe, you followed Venezuela and other countries that have very rapidly fallen apart, both in terms of rise of statism, hyperinflation, deprivation of employment, complete dependence on the government.
	Could you explain sort of what happened in Venezuela and why that's why we have to be hyper alert in the rest of the West that it doesn't happen to us?
	So this is something that I've said and people don't really realize that.
	They had this saying of, America will never be a socialist country.
	And I told them, there's already so many institutions and the way that the federal government is setting itself up to be so powerful, the way that we are giving so much of our liberties away to the government already.
	If they want to make the change, it's like this.
	It's very quickly and nothing's going to stop them, right?
	They already have all that power.
	So for example, if something were to happen tomorrow that Bernie Sanders will become the president, would he be able to push us into a socialist hellhole very quickly?
	Yes.
	So that's what happened in Venezuela in which within, you know, once it happens, it's, it's very quickly because all of the foundations have been put in place to allow for that to happen.
	So we don't really see it, and when it happens it's very quickly, they just pretty much just make it official.
	And it's...
	You know, it took them two weeks to keep us locked into our homes and keep us from providing to our families.
	They have that kind of power.
	They're using that kind of power.
	Is it a legitimate power?
	I don't know, but they're using it.
	And the people are going to be starving.
	The people are going to be suffering very badly from this.
	And I don't think that we should be, you know, looking at this with eyes of It's just a pandemic.
	I think we need to look at it as a whole concept of economics, social impact, and etc.
	Yeah, that effectively the pandemic is being used to have a massive shift of power from the individual to the state amongst politically preferred groups, from the economic real economy to the central banks.
	And now, of course, there's the public health call to use it as a pretext for forced vaccinations.
	What's your thoughts on that?
	I'm not against vaccines.
	In fact, when I moved to the US, I had to have enormous amount of vaccines given to me at one time.
	Then, because I travel internationally, especially to places like Africa, I, just the other day, I think maybe three months ago, I had to take, no, we're in May, five months ago, I had to take six vaccines to be able to prove that I was I had to take six vaccines to be able to prove that I was going to be okay in those countries, that I But there's people who have allergic reactions, and I'm very fortunate that I didn't.
	And I was just on the phone with a friend of mine that her wife, she had paralysis.
	And just like any other medicine, just like any other thing, vaccines do have side effects.
	So if we're going to vaccinate the whole world, are we considering the percentage of the population who are going to have side effects, who are going to potentially have life-changing circumstances happen to them that could even cause death?
	Are we considering those lives?
	Because if we say, if it's going to save just one life, then perhaps that's not the way to go.
	But then if it's going to save just one life, maybe we should just all stay at home and just shelter inside a bubble.
	You know, that's the reality of life.
	We have to realize that we take risks every day, and risks are part of freedom.
	We choose to take those risks, and that freedom should not be taken away from us.
	Have you been surprised at how large parts of the United States have responded to this in the sense of politicians shutting down large, suspending constitutional liberties, shutting down large parts of the economy, issuing orders that feel like what some people would call a Latin American dictatorship kind of government, kind of style of approach?
	I've been really surprised.
	I've been shocked.
	And you know, this kind of triggers, especially for those of us who have seen that side of the government, It triggers almost like a PTSD, because we have experienced that.
	We know what happens when you give government power.
	And even if Trump doesn't use that power for bad, who's to guarantee that 4, 8, 10, 12 years from now, somebody's not going to come in power and use that against us?
	There's always that one bad leader.
	There's always that one bad person that changes everything.
	So are we willing to give all that power to pretty much decimate millions, to get us out of work, to jail us for just opening up our businesses, or just being outside at the beach?
	Are we willing to give that power to the government?
	And if we trust that this current government can handle it, Who's to say that the next government, the next person, isn't going to handle this amount of power in a very negative way?
	I think that we need to hold on to as many liberties as we can because They shouldn't have that.
	They shouldn't have access to that.
	They shouldn't be able to do those things and pretty much decide who lives and who dies.
	I think that this needs to be stopped immediately.
	And it's beyond me.
	But I think that the fact that America has not experienced that type of government has influenced the response of the people.
	But we need to look back into our roots and figure out, you know, the Constitution, our liberties, our rights.
	Those are the main things that we're known for.
	This is why America is respected, and this is why America is such a wealthy, beautiful country.
	And we need to look back at those things and realize they worked.
	Let's stick to what works, and let's not try things that have been proven to be a failure all over the world.
	Let's not try that.
	Let's stick to what works.
	And what would be your advice, both to ordinary people and to President Trump, in terms of getting the country back on track and away from that perilous path that has proven problematic around the world?
	So, what I would do to the people, I would say Open your business.
	Open your business.
	I mean, what are you going to do?
	Are you going to starve?
	Are you going to let somebody who doesn't know your name, who doesn't know your family, who doesn't know your situation, decide whether you get to put food on your table or not?
	Open your business, go outside, go to the beach.
	If you're a person that is at risk, then yes, take precautions, stay at home.
	But if you're just a person who needs to put food on the table, you need to get out there and you need to fight for your right to live, to be alive.
	Financial censorship is a type of censorship.
	The ability to be out there, the ability to speak, it's a type of censorship.
	So economic censorship and all of those different things, they are a tool of governments who are trying to damage society to an extent that people can no longer fight back.
	And I think that we need to go against that.
	And for President Trump, he needs to listen to us.
	We're out here talking every day about how we just want to go back to war.
	And he needs to use his powers and cut funding to the states that have these terrible laws, and he needs to use the Interstate Commerce Clause and all these different things to open the economy, because this is not a joke.
	People are really struggling, and I think it's going to be a cost.
	That our country isn't willing to, able to pay.
	Exactly.
	Thanks for being with us.
	We do indeed, in order to say yes to freedom, we need to say no to masks and a lot of other policies and politics they want to push down our throat.
	You can follow Julie at Rule Julie at Real Julia Song on Twitter, and also at Evie Magazine.
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	When we come back, we'll have a special guest, Mr. Alex Jones.
	What's really happening is that we provide personal information, but the information that we provide is the least important part of the information that they collect about us.
	Thanks to their navigation and search engine, Google knows where we are all the time.
	And what we think.
	Facebook knows our hobbies, preferences and friends.
	Because they retrieve a lot of information from the digital traces we leave behind unwittingly.
	Spelling errors in your search terms.
	Which colour buttons you prefer.
	How fast you type.
	How fast you drive.
	Residual data.
	Way back at the beginning, back in the year 2000, 2001, 2002, back in those days, these data were considered just extra data.
	They were considered waste material.
	And people called them things like digital exhaust or data exhaust.
	Eventually it was understood that these so-called waste materials harbored these rich predictive data.
	The search information we retain, we do for quality purposes.
	So, for example, the Google Spell Checker, our Did You Mean feature that appears on Google, has been built using long periods of data around, you know, someone issuing a query and then issuing another corrected query right after that, and us learning those corrections.
	And it actually takes more than 30 days worth of data to build the world-class spell corrector that we have.
	The companies like to say, we collect data so that we can improve our service.
	And that's true.
	They collect data and some of it is used to improve the service to you.
	But even more of it is analyzed to train what they call models, patterns of human behavior.
	So once I have big training models, I can see how people with these characteristics Typically behave over time and that allows me to fit your data right into that arc and to predict what you're likely to do not only now but soon and later.
	This is what I call behavioral surplus.
	These data streams filled with these rich predictive data.
	Why surplus?
	Because right from the start these were more data than was required to improve products and services.
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	Hello, everybody.
	I have an announcement.
	The podcast is moving to Spotify.
	I signed a multi-year licensing agreement with Spotify that will start on September 1st.
	Starting on September 1st, the entire JRE library will be available on Spotify as well as all the other platforms.
	Then somewhere around the end of the year, it will become exclusive to Spotify, including the video version of the podcast.
	It will be the exact same show.
	I'm not going to be an employee of Spotify.
	We're going to be working on the same crew, doing the exact same show.
	The only difference will be it will now be available on the largest audio platform in the world.
	Nothing else will change.
	It will be free.
	It will be free to you.
	You just have to go to Spotify to get it.
	We're very excited to begin this new chapter of the JRE, and I hope you're there when we cross over.
	Thanks.
	Welcome back to American Countdown.
	We have a special guest with unique inside information, Mr. Alexander Jones.
	I don't normally get butterflies breaking something down, but I am very, very excited here tonight.
	As a lot of viewers know, I am supposedly on a couple days of vacation, but I did get a call from Joe Rogan about an hour and 30 minutes ago, and the stuff he told me was so amazing.
	He opened up so much.
	I've known the guy like 22 years.
	It was over the top.
	And it was like his whole plan, his whole journey, finally coming to fruition with a Spotify deal.
	And then him telling me the inside baseball, what happened behind the scenes.
	It was incredible.
	Because it's not about a $100 million deal with Spotify.
	It's not about their stock going up over a billion dollars when it was announced yesterday and today.
	It's about the fact that I know Joe knows everything I know.
	In fact, more.
	He can finish my sentences when I talk to him.
	He's like Alex Jones, but slicker.
	He's a good guy.
	But the fact that he would not always go there was because he understood the waters he was navigating in.
	But now that YouTube and Google and others censored him and did all these terrible things that have been evident.
	We'll walk through here.
	He has decided to completely take the gloves off.
	And he told me I can say all this.
	I wrote a bunch of notes in our like 45-minute conversation because Joe's usually close to the best type of guy.
	He's opened up to me about a lot of stuff over the years here and there, but this was like the firehose effect when I've been drinking through a pixie straw before.
	And I said, Joe, are you sure you want me to go on air?
	And go ahead and say all this.
	And he said, absolutely, Alex.
	He said, the gloves are off.
	He said, you know, I put a filter on things.
	And a lot of the stuff you've said over the years sounded extreme.
	But he said, now I've seen all of it come true.
	And I'm going to go after these folks in a big, big way.
	And I said, man, are you sure you want to say that?
	So Joe Rogan didn't sell out.
	With this deal, he did the opposite with this and made himself completely independent.
	So I'm going to let you take over for the rest of this segment.
	I'm going to come back at the bottom of the hour here, Barnes.
	I want people to tell their friends, tell their families to tune in.
	And then we're going to lay all this out at the bottom of the hour.
	And I'm not planting the cliffhanger here.
	I'm probably going to have to have surgery on these polyps soon.
	They feel like I got firecrackers on my throat right now.
	I was trying to take off a few days.
	But this is amazing information here, ladies and gentlemen.
	And it's about the dam breaking, that hundredth monkey, the tipping point, the dominoes in Viva Vendetta.
	It's all here.
	It's all now.
	And I metaphysically, at a spiritual level, know when something is big.
	This is ten times bigger than when Donald Trump first came on my show.
	This is bigger than when I infiltrated Bohemian Grove.
	This, this, and because I'm ready to cover this.
	I've got to go read my notes again because I literally had a 45 minute conversation with him.
	With a speakerphone while my wife or the kids are running around the kitchen and we're eating hamburgers.
	Hearing this and his like cathartic busting out.
	And he's a really smart guy.
	He's a tough guy too.
	And that's why I got so pissed at him.
	I knew that he knew all this, okay?
	I knew that he was just like me.
	But in many ways better.
	So I was so pissed.
	And now them trying to put their thumb on him?
	Really?
	And here's the thing.
	If they can try to do stuff to him, he doesn't care anymore.
	He's past that point of no return, and everybody else is passing that.
	And to sit back and see this magic happening, Bill Gates and all these folks thought they could bully everybody, Google, the stuff.
	I was like, I kept saying, Joe, wait a minute.
	You want me to go on air and say this and tell this story, and I convince you at the end, and I'm the one with moderation now, the raging bull's out of the cage now, I'm the one trying to convince Joe Rogan not to do all this stuff.
	They have, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, the countdown is here.
	So I want you to talk about free speech and the dominoes falling, and we'll do the last 30 minutes of the show here.
	We go on a break, we'll come back and talk about this.
	But I'm not choking here on air.
	I just, because it's not about Joe.
	It's not about the company going up a billion bucks.
	It's not about him getting $110 million for this.
	That doesn't matter.
	It's about the fact that he was going to stay with YouTube and Google and do an even bigger contract.
	He's already making $50 million a year.
	Oh, I already knew all the inside of baseball, but I got it all.
	When they talk to him like he was a piece of shit.
	Delay that out.
	It's humanity finally going.
	You know what?
	You don't owe my ass.
	I don't care what you do.
	The gloves are off and I'm telling you, I smell victory like blood in the air.
	Smells like napalm.
	Smells like victory.
	I gotta go review my notes because I want to come out of the gates here when we come back and just lay this out.
	But history's happening.
	And the fact that Joe did a good job and didn't play along, but just was not razor's edge.
	I watched that snail down that straight razor.
	That's my dream.
	It's that Apocalypse Now thing.
	And now the snail just grew wings.
	I'm telling you, this is the beginning.
	This is an archetype.
	This is the first domino like in V for Vendetta.
	A lot of work's gone into this, Barnes.
	You take over, I'll be back.
	To a large degree, you could tell the story of big tech, both big tech censorship, social media control, social control through the life story of the podcast and the video, the YouTube of Joe Rogan.
	The whole pitch that Facebook, that YouTube, that Google, that Twitter made, Twitter promised to be the free speech wing of the free speech party.
	The pitch was that they would be outside the gated institutional narrative, to steal from Eric Weinstein's phrase.
	That we would free up finally, have free thought, real free speech, real free press, real free expression of free ideas, to have an engagement, to have a true dialogue across the ideological and intellectual spectrum where the audience and the people could make up their own minds.
	That these technological tools, like Michael Malice talked about in North Korea, could be used to free up society, not to suppress society.
	And in fact, that was step one.
	But that turned out just to be the pitch.
	The pitch was come use our platforms and we'll make sure your voice is heard throughout the world in a freer way than has ever been the case in the past.
	In the same way that talk radio revolutionized populist politics in the 1920s and 1930s.
	You can go back and look at the rise of people like Father Coughlin or Huey Long or other populist politicians that came in their same strain.
	People like Big Jim Folsom or in my hometown, Bookie Turner, both in his radio and use of TV.
	These were populist politicians that were able to get around the institutional control of the press.
	Much in the same way, the Gutenberg press created the opportunity for Protestantism to even emerge against the state-oriented Catholic Church.
	It allowed for independence of thought and freedom of thought and liberty of thought.
	Joe Rogan was the perfect embodiment and expression of this.
	Someone who's naturally conversant, He's deeply curious and widely understands a wide range of information.
	He's a natural conversationalist because he's conversant in so many topics and he's naturally curious and asks questions along those lines.
	So he would allow people to engage in, through his conversations, engage in broader conversations that have often been shut out from the gated institutional narrative.
	This was the promise of YouTube, the promise of Google, the promise of Facebook, the promise of Twitter.
	Indeed, they made this promise explicit and express, and to creators, come and create on our platform, and we'll promote you to the world.
	We won't restrain you, we'll monetize you.
	We'll help make you financially sustainable and successful, while not interfering at all in the freedom of speech.
	The same time they went to Congress and asked for Congress to pass what is now known as the Communications Decency Act, Section 230 of that Act, which immunized them from any suit based on what their creators published on their platforms.
	The logic being this would allow for the maximum expression of freedom and liberty of ideas, going back to the original American tradition.
	The American Revolution only occurred because people had higher degrees of literacy, and they used to sit around the old bars and taverns and read Thomas Paine's Ingenious Common Sense, written to a broad audience, not an elite audience.
	That helped give people the information and self-education that empowered the American Revolution, that fueled it from its very original inception.
	Great-great-great-grandfather was the Colonel Prescott who said, don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes.
	He was in fact the last rider on Paul Revere's ride.
	All of that was possible because of what Thomas Paine was able to get out to the masses through independent free information for free thought and freedom of expression.
	As a great intellectual said a long time ago, the state cannot close two great schools of learning, the archives of nature and the rights of man.
	Thomas Paine wrote about both in Educating People about the logic of how they should govern themselves and civil society be governed.
	And in that same context, this is where social media came in.
	It was supposed to be the same expression.
	And they had the perfect embodiment of someone who came from ordinary blue-collar roots, but had a broad range of life experience, and someone like Joe Rogan, who could bring a wide range of intellectual and ideological viewpoints to the public dialogue and debate.
	And yet that was being limited and restrained by what they ultimately did.
	So first, the promise of the pitch was, come in.
	And what they did is, please come in and we'll make you rich, we'll make you successful, we'll make you prominent.
	And in the process, that made them rich.
	That gave them effective monopolies because they were able to promise greater freedom and greater opportunity than their economic competitors, while they had immunity from liability from state torts and other actions that their competitors would normally have in the non-big tech space.
	Once they achieved and attained that monopoly, and they saw the use of the technology for the truest freedom of expression of thoughts and ideas, didn't lead people just to the Barack Obamas of the world, but it led them to the Joe Rogans, the Alex Jones, the Donald Trumps of the world.
	And that's what bothered them, that's what offended them, that's what upset them.
	That's what led the gatekeepers of the gated institutional narrative to start to leverage their institutional influence with hit pieces in the New York Times and other publications that in turn fueled Democratic politicians staging congressional investigations for political and public relations purposes.
	That, on top of people like George Soros starting to threaten to defund them unless they began to leverage their control, their monopolistic power over the public square, to begin to censor speech, to begin to suppress speech.
	They were already gathering information on people's viewpoints, people's ideas, invading their privacy quietly and secretly.
	They had had a secret contract that no one fully realized or appreciated, that in exchange for giving away personal and private information, people would have access to these platforms.
	That compromise, that contract, was never fully articulated or explicated to people at the time it was done, but now they were unsatisfied with just that part of the bargain.
	Now they had to become too part of the gatekeepers of the gated institutional narrative.
	To keep out dissident and independent ideas.
	To deny the very promise of the initial platforms themselves from coming into existence and staying in fruition.
	That's why if you look up legal news on places like YouTube and Google, they'll direct you to someone like Legal Eagle.
	A lawyer I've never heard of and nobody seems to know who gets millions of views for mediocre legal thoughts, whereas independent legal viewpoints are often suppressed, censored, or completely banned or blacklisted from social media.
	They did this to Alex Jones after he made them substantial monies over time, but the person who had probably made as much or more money than any individual for places like Google, for places like YouTube, for places like Apple iTunes, was Joe Rogan.
	This was a guy who was making them rich and making them successful more than anyone.
	And yet, how did they treat someone who had made them so successful, who had made their platforms, who had helped facilitate those platforms becoming practical, effective, de facto monopolies in the technological dominance of the public square?
	They responded by threatening copyright strikes on bogus grounds.
	They responded by threatening censorship campaigns on bogus grounds.
	They responded with public shaming campaigns, misinterpreting information about his past, misinterpreting just because he had had someone on his show that meant he shared all of the viewpoints of that individual, trying to basically defame him and destroy him in the public arena, often facilitating and enabling that.
	So someone who had made all of them so successful They turned on, with ease, when it was no longer in their political self-interest to promote him, even though he had made them fabulously rich in the process.
	And so finally it appears that he has decided to turn the corner.
	He has decided to turn and resist in his own way.
	Not only is the contract a contract that affords Joe Rogan the opportunity of what is loosely called F.U.
	money in the practical world, basically affording him a degree of freedom and liberty and independence from that degree of control and suppression that people were done, but it's a way to walk away and to punish those who have tried to censor and suppress speech.
	Much as Dave Rubin and the Rubin Report, which was also facilitating YouTube and Google's success, is increasingly creating his own independent separate brand and independent technology to get outside of the gated institutional narrative, Joe Rogan's the biggest voice in that groom.
	He is the guy that has made more money for YouTube and Google than any other individual, and now he's taking his bat and leaving the park and going to a different park altogether.
	And instead, putting himself into a position where he can have complete economic freedom, where he can have complete political freedom, where he can have complete freedom of thought, where he can be able to voice and bring to the public a wide range of viewpoints, regardless of what the institutional gatekeepers want to have heard.
	He basically has a platform and a microphone that is a megaphone for independent ideas for people to hear around the world.
	That was the significance of Joe Rogan's move.
	Even if you did not have the inside information that Alex Jones has from his long-standing relationship with Joe Rogan, Just an independent observer could recognize not only the economic and monetary significance, literally a billion-dollar impact for Spotify, and by proportion a likely billion-dollar-plus loss for YouTube and Google and iTunes, but the broader statement that it makes.
	What if more people follow in the path that Rogan is blazing out?
	Resisting various forms of censorship and suppression by abandoning the gated institutional gatekeepers trying to control it.
	What if more significant monetizing creators at YouTube that have money that go to Google which owns YouTube or Twitter or Facebook find other places and other platforms?
	What if more people decide that they want to go to Spotify Because Spotify will be the free speech wing of the free speech party that Twitter promised to be, instead of Apple and iTunes, instead of Google Play, instead of the other formats that have tried to act in a form of suppressing and oppressing speech.
	It has been the longest standing, for those who believe in First Amendment thought, it isn't simply because it's a constitutional right, it isn't simply because our founding fathers And our families and our forefathers spent two centuries willing to risk their blood, their life, their liberty in order to establish it.
	It's because it is critical to the functioning of a good government.
	It is essential to the functioning of a civil society.
	Freedom of thought relates to freedom of speech because it all corresponds and correlates to what you hear.
	It's not just about my right to speak.
	It is about you, the audience's right, and our, the audience's right, to hear what we want to hear, to decide for ourselves what is true, to decide for ourselves what is just.
	Whenever that is oppressed or suppressed, whenever that is censored or repressed, the natural consequence is the decline of independent thought, the deprivation of freedom of information.
	And ultimately, its consequence will always be the declination of a civil society and the decline of any form of government or populace anywhere in the world.
	That's the significance, the social significance of what Joe Rogan did is the equivalent of Paul Revere's ride by writing out of Google and writing out of YouTube and writing out of iTunes and writing out of Google Play into a place that will safe harbor and shelter freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of expression.
	And gives him the kind of financial resources where he can do what he wants, says what he wants, express what he wants and bring to his audience the ideas that let his audience decide what's true, what's just in the oldest and in the best tradition of American civil liberty.
	That is why what Joe Rogan did has such social significance.
	That is why what Joe Rogan did has such political consequence.
	It is indeed more significant and more impactful, ultimately, than even the Attorney General's talking about antitrust actions against the big social media companies.
	By taking this action, he is blazing a path that could truly, effectively demonetize YouTube.
	And the way that YouTube has decided to demonetize individuals whose ideas they don't like and don't want expressed, Joe Rogan's effect demonetized YouTube for their suppression and censorship, and cost them more economically than they could ever profit from their censorship campaigns.
	They basically did a Faustian bargain with the devil that ultimately now has backfired in the most impactful way.
	Because if others begin to follow in Rogan's path, Then they could effectively demonetize and demonopolize our public square once again.
	They could restore its public freedom.
	They could restore the public square back to its origins of freedom of thought, freedom of ideas, and freedom of expression back to the time of our American founding fathers that they wanted to establish in concrete by putting it in the First Amendment to the United States Constitution of the Bill of Rights.
	That's why what Joe Rogan did is so significant.
	That's why you're probably not going to see much institutional press coverage beyond brief references to the big amount of money involved.
	That will be about it.
	You won't see much detailed reference for the simple reason that if people talk about it and think about it for long, Every significant and substantial creator on iTunes should be thinking the same thought.
	Every significant creator on Google should be thinking the same thought.
	Everyone on YouTube should be thinking the same thought.
	How could they use their economic platform to shift to a different place that will shelter, rather than shelter in place at home, we need to shelter in place the freedom of thought and the First Amendment as Spotify has now afforded Joe Rogan by his willingness to blaze that path for everyone else.
	This could revolutionize freedom of speech and freedom of thought at the very time we are at the precipice of social media suppression and censorship on a scale we haven't seen in the American history.
	That is why it is so impactful.
	That is why it is so consequential.
	So that is why it is in fact revolutionary what Joe Rogan has done.
	It's not a coincidence that in fact some of the most independent ideas of thought of the last Half a decade or so have come from Joe Rogan's show and Joe Rogan's ideas being broadcast, but now he has a freedom he's never had before.
	Now he's had a degree of opportunity he's never had before.
	That's the real significance and impact of what Joe Rogan did.
	What Rogan did blazed a path for everyone to establish a true shelter in place for freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of expression in the United States on a path that we were supposed to have a decade ago, but that has been lost in the last half decade or so.
	It is more impactful, frankly, than anything any politician has done, though they have promised to do more in this time period.
	Whereas the courts have stayed closed, whereas our legislators have been ineffective, whereas our executive branches have talked a lot but done little, it took a blue-collar kid from New Jersey to establish the radical reversal of course needed to restore freedom of thought and freedom of expression.
	It is in fact most frequently, most often, As we were discussing with Julia Song earlier, just as one person in the wrong position of power can change the world for the worse, it is often just one person in the right position who can change the world for the better.
	It has often been simply a few people taking bold and brave stands that has changed the dominoes of the world's effect, as portrayed in films like V for Vendetta.
	It is often the patriot, as portrayed by Mel Gibson, who often leads to the revolutionary change for the world to witness, that the world experiences then.
	It took just one or two people to change the Haitian Revolution, one or two people to lead various slave rebellions that happened across the United States that ultimately led to radical change and the emancipation of all in the Western world.
	It took Dred Scott saying that he too was a citizen or a few people caught on a ship in the Amistad to be able to force the Supreme Court in the first case to say born free always free.
	It took the Dred Scott decision exposing the US Supreme Court To recognize to Abraham Lincoln that radical change was necessary to restore liberty in the world today.
	It just takes one domino to trigger than fall the rest of the dominoes.
	Now Joe Rogan is a big domino.
	He's not a little domino.
	But he can have the domino effect that can change the world for free speech, free thought, the biggest blow against big tech censorship in the history of big tech.
	That's the significance of Joe Rogan walking away from YouTube, walking away from Google, walking away from iTunes, walking away from Google Play, and instead going with an exclusive deal to reward Spotify for in turn rewarding him not just with economic independence, but political freedom.
	Freedom from censorship, freedom from suppression, freedom from exclusion of thought.
	My guess is once the show goes on to Spotify, you're going to get to see the true and whole Joe Rogan show.
	You're going to get to see all of the ideas expressed, all of the ideas shared, all the dialogue unfettered, uncensored, in a way that has rarely been witnessed in the modern era of big tech control.
	You'll be able to see what the freedom of thought and freedom of idea and freedom of speech is supposed to be as enabled by these technological revolutions and platforms, not as disabled.
	As has been done by our institutional controllers both in the institutional press and in the big tech arena as well.
	So when do we come back after the break?
	We'll have more breaking news about Joe Rogan from Alex Jones.
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	gunshot And then... All he has to do is keep his word.
	A lot of planning went into this.
	And then once the people turn, and the establishment, it's over.
	Victory.
	We're here with constitutional lawyer Robert Barnes on his program, American Countdown, that airs here at NewsWorks.com and Band.Video weeknights, 7 to 9 p.m.
	Central.
	We have about 26 minutes left here.
	I was taking a few days off with my children and I was grilling hamburgers on the back porch watching my children swim in our little backyard pool when Joe Rogan called me.
	And he called me this morning and he said, I'm going to call you after four o'clock California time, six o'clock Texas time.
	I said, okay, great.
	Phone rings.
	I told my wife, hey, you guys over here to talk to Joe.
	And Joe's a very guarded person.
	I've known him 22 years, but this was like a fire hose.
	He goes, yeah, say this on air.
	Go public.
	The gloves are off.
	Total war.
	And I'm like, let me get a pad and paper.
	So I go try to pad a pad and paper.
	And I'm trying to like, well, what's on record?
	What's not on record?
	What can I say?
	He goes, just say it all.
	And he kept saying things and telling me things.
	And like 10 minutes into this, it's like a 45 minute conversation.
	Because Joe, you know, we're drinking beer in Las Vegas or something.
	That's hours of conversation.
	But on the phone, it's a few minutes.
	It's like 45 minutes of him like going off.
	And I'm like, Well, what am I allowed to say?
	Because he's telling me, I want you to go on air.
	I want you to say this.
	I want you to, at the end of it, he says, just put it all out.
	Well, there's no way to put 45-minute conversation out and it's import because it's bigger than Alex Jones.
	It's bigger than Donald Trump.
	It's bigger than Hillary Clinton.
	It's bigger than all of us.
	It's about somebody that was number one in their field.
	Reaching 20-30 million people a day with all the aggregate videos he's got out there.
	That's the biggest media there is.
	Finally saying, I'm done.
	Because Joe is a pragmatist.
	He's a patriot, he's an American, he's as smart as I am or smarter.
	When I say that, it's not a compliment, it's the truth.
	He finishes my sentences.
	He knows all of it.
	He's addicted to it.
	He's the real Alex Jones, but the one that's smart enough to think, oh, I'm gonna jujitsu this whole thing.
	I'm gonna figure this out.
	And now that he finally got the position number one, he said, Alex, I'm taking the gloves off.
	So here's what he told me.
	Okay, the stock's up a couple billion at Spotify.
	He did this and he's made 110 million or whatever.
	And I know the inside baseball.
	He gets 20 minutes of each show that's still going to be on YouTube.
	And he got in the contract with Spotify that he can have Alex Jones on.
	I'm in the contract.
	And so, but he went on, he said, listen, you told me this stuff 20 years ago.
	You told me 10 years ago.
	You know, you told me a couple years ago about YouTube, Google censorship.
	I thought, okay, maybe some of it, whatever.
	He just couldn't imagine they were so un-American.
	And he said to me today, he said, listen, I love America.
	I love freedom.
	He said, the things they've done, the things they've told me, the way they've talked to us like we're dogs is so un-American.
	It's not about me.
	It's about, I'd rather die than do this.
	He goes, I don't care.
	I get shut off everywhere.
	He goes, I'm going to war.
	In September, he said, I want you first guest out of the gate and then Elon Musk next.
	And if they think they've been attacked so far, get ready.
	And because I know Joe, he knows as much or more.
	I mean, it's scary.
	You're about to see a calculated Alex Jones.
	And he said, I don't care what happens.
	It's for my kids.
	These people.
	because he has the inside metrics.
	He goes, Elon Musk, 100 plus million views.
	They shadow ban it.
	They block it.
	They claim it's 10 million views.
	Same thing.
	That's the new interview.
	And so all of this and these tech dictators, I told Joe a few years ago, I said, I'm coming after you because I know you know all this as much as I do or more.
	I know you're just as tough as I am, maybe tougher, probably tougher.
	And you're letting these people piss on you?
	I said, I demand you attack them!
	And Joe's like, oh, they're not that bad.
	And once he finally saw them, here was the, here was the camel, here was the straw that brought the camels back.
	He tries to get medical doctors on, people that own hospitals, PhDs on top of it, and YouTube tells him, you're not having them on.
	He goes, wait a minute, I can't have major medical, he watches all these medical doctors being banned.
	And again, Joe Rogan is all of us, like I am Spartacus, you are Spartacus.
	There's this moment where you're just like, you know what?
	I'm not going to bow to you anymore.
	I'm not going to get down on my knees ever again.
	This is ridiculous.
	A bunch of unnamed, weird, crazy tech heads on a bunch of drugs are telling us that we can't promote freedom when Joe Rogan is a guy that loves everybody.
	And they're, so, so, he was being offered these Spotify deals six, eight months ago.
	He wasn't going to take it, because he's making 50 million a year, what he's doing.
	But when YouTube started censoring him, and then he starts getting on the phone with the YouTube execs, and they're telling him, like he's a dog, it's that spirit that's going to save us.
	Where people just stop caring about, because if you don't stand up for what you believe in, you lose it all.
	It doesn't even matter.
	So, you know, Again, this is like the first domino.
	Joe's a great guy, a smart guy.
	I knew he was this guy.
	I know he's smart.
	I know he's a patriot.
	I know he's alive.
	There's not many people I know out there that have as much dynamism as I do, and I'm not bragging when I say that.
	I mean, Joe Rogan's got more than I do, and I just begged him.
	I said so much privately when we had dinner, you know, last year in California, I said, I said, Joe, I know you kicked my ass right now.
	You're just as smart as ever smarter.
	Attack them.
	Be the man.
	Go after them.
	He said, well, I'm trying to convince them.
	He was meeting with all the top people.
	They brought him into all of it.
	He said, I'm trying to convince them to bring you back.
	I know they lied about you.
	Alex, believe me, they're not that bad.
	I can convince them.
	He finally realized it's war, man.
	These people are needle dicks.
	They want to dominate us because they know we are more powerful than them.
	And we like leave them alone.
	Oh, I'm more powerful than you, but I'm going to let you exist.
	No, it's social Darwinism.
	The chicken dick wants to run us.
	And so Joe finally gets that the big tech and Google wanted to get its cock out and run it in his ass.
	And it's a family show, but this is what this is.
	And he finally, completely broke with them.
	And this is the most archetypal, I can feel it metaphysically, I can see it intellectually, this is like the Death Star blowing up in Episode 4 of Star Wars.
	I mean, it's extraordinary at multiple levels.
	And I think what he also recognized and realized is what the example they were trying to make with you was the example they were going to try to make with everybody who either even merely allowed independent thought to be heard.
	Like staying ahead of thought, killing everybody at the Alamo would make us back down!
	Exactly, it's that same historic mindset, mentality.
	They thought killing Spartacus would make people roll over.
	What's wrong with these elites that they think this?
	Well, because most of the time in their minds it works.
	In other words, that usually the voice doesn't get loud enough or strong enough for that voice to be, to resonate and reverberate around the world.
	And they don't get the population, always creates a champion.
	Oh, exactly.
	And Joe was simply both too sincere and too good at what he did to ultimately suppress him.
	And then he leveraged that power for the benefit of everyone else after him.
	It's that right decision that has me so excited.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Oh my God, is that not sexy?
	Well, it's not just a right decision, it's a righteous decision.
	And so it's a decision that's right at multiple levels.
	And it's a righteous decision because he could have done other things that would have made him more money.
	But it gives me hope in the stark time.
	Oh, absolutely.
	It is a independent Thomas Paine-type voice in a time of colonial empires.
	It's the same kind of action, the same kind of mindset, the same kind of mentality that people can see through example, not only experience in independent journalism.
	Because you haven't backed down, I haven't backed down.
	But I get how Joe waited till he was number one and then he didn't back down.
	That's smart.
	Oh, it's very smart.
	It's a very savvy, he waited to leverage his influence to do the right thing when he had the opportunity.
	And then he told me tonight, I said, Joe, I said, you want me to say you've declared war on YouTube?
	And he said, yeah, man.
	And it's a long time coming, but he's the right guy to do it, and he's the only guy to do it.
	So what's the headline tonight?
	Like, Joe Rogan declares war on YouTube.
	Like, why?
	What's the archetypal weirdness that he called me and said, no, I want you to release this?
	That's what he said.
	Well, because YouTube's first goal and objective was to make you the example to silence everyone else.
	So that's the irony.
	Yes, exactly.
	It's a delicious form of irony for Joe to have you be the person to tell everybody that now the script has flipped.
	Now the Uzi's pointed in the other direction.
	Yeah.
	I mean, is this peak internet right now?
	I mean, it's a certain form of it.
	This is just the beginning of the peak, right?
	Yeah.
	No doubt.
	I mean, it's an extraordinary time, and it's a great thing to see good people do the right thing at the right moment.
	He could have chosen a self-enrichment path.
	He could have chosen a path that would have had him on 60 minutes getting lots of pats on the back.
	Instead, he chose the path... Oh, it's Darth Vader, but it said Joe... Throwing the Emperor down the mine shaft.
	Let's show this.
	The reactor shaft, excuse me.
	It is now Jedi.
	He will die.
	Except this ain't a movie, man.
	And here's the thing.
	They could kill Rogan.
	They could take his money.
	He doesn't even care anymore.
	Same with us.
	It's that final moment where you don't give a damn anymore.
	You just pull the dagger and attack.
	That's the victory.
	Absolutely.
	It's the ultimate form of power.
	It's what Medgar Evers talked about.
	It's what Nelson Mandela talked about.
	So, Medgar Evers always said, you know, people ask him, why aren't you afraid to die?
	He ultimately was assassinated.
	And he said, most men die a thousand deaths every day, and I'm only going to die once.
	And what it did is it led as an example to hundreds of thousands and ultimately millions of people all across the country to change the world.
	And the same mindset of Nelson Mandela, when he realized that he was the captain of his own ship, when he was the master of his own soul.
	Exactly.
	Whether you agree with his politics or not, he was strong as hell.
	Absolutely.
	He resisted a government that was doing horrible things.
	How he handled it, one could debate and discuss forever.
	But his willingness to stand up as an independent act of conscience was his recognition that my hands may be enslaved, but my soul is not.
	Because I control my soul.
	And that when you show that example to the world it is always like that iconic image of the guy in front of the tank.
	It's a reminder that any individual can in fact change the world.
	Now Joe used, waited until he had the maximum degree of leverage and influence to make the maximum impact and effect.
	Well that's what's crazy about it is, but you're right it's perfect irony to call him say yeah go attack and just tell him F you and I hope YouTube tries to censor me.
	He's literally just Challenging them right now.
	And I said, I actually said, I said, I said, can I say this?
	I said, are you sure you want to do this?
	He said, hell yeah.
	So it was, it was that freeing moment.
	That is so beautiful for everybody.
	Oh, absolutely.
	And I think the lockdown had a big part of this.
	Like, you know, he is going to move to Texas.
	I'm going to leave it at that.
	He said I could say that.
	He is moving here.
	Elon Musk.
	And it's not Texas is perfect.
	It's the next, you know, it's the best house in a bad neighborhood.
	It's the exodus has begun.
	I mean, the fact that they know that.
	Oh, exactly.
	I mean, you know how happy Joe looks over there, too.
	He doesn't give a rat's ass about a hundred million dollars.
	It's the fact that YouTube started demonetizing him and telling him he was a bitch.
	And he finally said no.
	That's the spirit right there.
	Well, I think probably the biggest mistake the censors made was believing that Joe was as driven by monetary self-enrichment as they were, and that that's not what his driving motif was.
	I mean, if you'd studied him or observed him or watched him over time, you know him personally for a long period of time, that those who knew him the best knew that's not what motivated him at all.
	In fact, he's infamous for his generosity.
	You know, somebody mentions they want something and it shows up.
	I was like, dude, how are you giving $500 tips to the lawyer?
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's just who he is.
	Huge wads of cash.
	He's one of the few people in L.A.
	whose reputation is better amongst the people who know him best.
	He's an underdog.
	Oh, completely.
	And he's a champion of underdogs.
	I mean, he's a blue-collar kid from New Jersey.
	And that's why when I attacked him, he was already planning this move.
	They did the wrong thing.
	He's like, Jones, you need to, like, okay, fine, you're attacking me.
	I could see he had a long-term strategy.
	He's a deeply Americana representative.
	I'm serious, though.
	Joe is very calculating in a good way.
	People are like, oh, Joe, because he can, you know, play dumb, whatever, but he's got a larger plan.
	Oh, exactly.
	So was my great-great-grandfather, Colonel Prescott.
	There was a reason why he said, don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes.
	Because that was the only way you're going to be able to survive that day.
	So he just learned to map out his landscape to protect the ideas and ideals that put him in a place where he was.
	So what does it mean now?
	Because, I mean, I get a headache.
	You know, one conversation with Joe, he's a great guy, and he's like, uh, he's staying in bombshells.
	And then I'm like trying to write all this down, like bombshell, bombshell, bombshell, bombshell.
	He's like, yeah, tell YouTube, F you.
	Tell YouTube, go to hell.
	And he kept describing how, if it was a little communist New York Times person that couldn't even talk, they'd like boost it.
	But it was like a huge interview, they would censor it.
	He kept saying, it's so un-American, it's so anti-human.
	I was like, how?
	He just couldn't, because he knew they were doing it.
	But he said, Alex, it's just what you said.
	He said, it's like, it's worse than what you said.
	So it was a thing, it was like, he knew all this.
	But he thought he could speak to their better angels.
	Those didn't exist.
	And it was Joe Rogan completely flipping, not to my side, but to the human side.
	And he told me, he said, no, I'm, I'm, he told me other stuff too.
	He's, you know, it's good stuff.
	It's good stuff.
	Oh yeah, no doubt.
	But again, it's an archetype of all of us.
	Yes.
	Being pushed along.
	And the best of us.
	I mean, and the best of American experience.
	I mean, you know, you're talking about the, you know, his grandfather was an Italian immigrant.
	He's from New Jersey.
	He has family that, you know, comes up in the hippie communities in Northern California.
	He's seen the broad birth of American ideology and ideas, but always rooted in American soil of freedom of thought, individualism, recognizing the human conscience, not willing to It's just seeking out power for the sake of power, money for the sake of money, or celebrity for the sake of celebrity.
	He's forsaken all of those, even when they've been on his plate and given to him for free.
	So he's instead chosen... That's what's valuable, is unlike Judas, he didn't take the deal.
	Oh, exactly.
	But he waited until the last minute on the table to do that.
	And it's very exciting.
	And I got from him, though, this is not... because I've never seen Joe so open, he's very guarded.
	It was like a...
	It was, this is big.
	Because he gets the archetype, he's batting, and I told him, I said, I told him how they attack, he said, I don't care.
	Well, he's always been a very independent guy with a sort of a... Like, the best of Trump is his independence.
	When he acts on his... Yeah, when he's being independent.
	Exactly.
	When he's not deferring to all the people around him.
	When he's just being Trump.
	That is when he's at his best.
	And when Rogan's being Rogan, that's when Rogan is at his best.
	And he's just someone with a deep backbone, with an independent conscience, who like... And people get when he backs off and here's the other side.
	They get mad.
	He keeps thinking he could convince the bad guys to be good.
	He's given up now.
	Yeah.
	He said, he said, he said, the horses are coming out of the gate.
	You're the first interview in September.
	I'm going to war.
	He goes, the fact that they banned all these medical doctors and top epidemiologists, he said, I will not live in a world like this.
	So he said, I'm going to war.
	Joe told me, he said, I'm, you tell him I'm going to war.
	And he said, you know, the next few months, whatever.
	But he said, I know the numbers, too.
	This is actually him taking into motion, because, you know, $110 million deal over... No one even knows the sales deal.
	Maybe I shouldn't say it, but...
	He could have made a lot more money.
	No, no, he just wanted to get away from these people.
	Yeah, exactly.
	He wanted independent economic freedom.
	I mean, having some like weirdo drug addict Google employee that can't hardly talk, going, don't you know, well, you need to teach little kids how to suck dick.
	And he says at a certain point, it's like, you know, it's like, whatever.
	The point is, is that it's a rotting, falling edifice.
	The entire New World Order is a, they're the losers that joined Satan.
	It's very much a system that only lives by disguise, that lives by masks to disguise who they really are.
	And he's someone who's an independent voice, never fit within that archetype of that system, and is showing what, he's the best of America back expressing it.
	And again, I've been critical of Joe when I knew that he knew a lot of this.
	But was still playing along, and he was just trying to have his open conversation.
	He knew all this stuff, but them messing with him, and then poking, and then him trying to be nice, and then they got on top of him, and started squeezing.
	So now, they get to fight.
	Exactly.
	It's people who overestimated their own power, and underestimated Joe's conscience.
	They took our kindness for weakness.
	Exactly, and they tend to project their own traits onto others.
	So they assume other people are greedy and they assume other people are only driven by celebrity or fame or power or money.
	And they assume people don't have a degree of conscience and backbone because they don't.
	These are all people that... And then they finally corner a Tyrannosaurus Rex and they're a rat.
	Right, exactly.
	They discover what the situation really is.
	That he has turned coarse and he's the one who has the real power.
	And let's roll that video again because, again, bigger than Joe Rogan.
	I had a long conversation with him.
	And the fact is, I said, Joe, he's usually very, like, careful about everything.
	He's like, no, say it all, say it, say it.
	And he wasn't drunk, he wasn't high, he wasn't anything.
	He was, like, watching L.A.
	collapse and the homeless people.
	He was watching the brainwashed children everywhere.
	He was watching the vaccine trials.
	He was watching the lies.
	He was bringing up the statistics of how COVID-19 was this 1 20th of what they said.
	And he was just like, He said, he said, I thought they were like us.
	I thought that they were just, he finally gets, no, it's malevolent, focused evil that wants its hands around your neck, Joe.
	And then the fact that he will then, again, that archetype, that first domino, roll that footage, that first domino, because we were just the pressure, you, I, the listeners, the viewers, we're the finger that pushes the domino.
	Joe Rogan is domino number one.
	And let me tell you, I don't just say this for hype.
	I feel it.
	I'm not somebody that ever has little victory dances and ever gets, like, I know that bad stuff's happening.
	This is God's counter to this.
	And it's so good that Joe has finally decided to swing for the fences.
	Like Babe Ruth saying, you know.
	They're going to knock it over that, you know, this plate.
	It's going to be a home run.
	Yep.
	And it just happened.
	Exactly.
	And I think... And when they attack him, he's ready!
	Oh, exactly.
	It's that point where I'm ready to beat your ass!
	You want to... Oh, you're big and bad?
	Oh, let's go!
	Well, I think Joe, like a lot of people, the better a person is, the more they assume other people are also... They project their humanity on people.
	Exactly.
	And he's discovered that these are just inhumane people.
	And that these are people who... He kept saying, I can't believe how dumb they are, and how un-American they are, and how they...
	And the more you give in, the more they want.
	It's like, who, what the hell?
	Exactly.
	It's like this.
	It's the same thing we go through.
	Like, what the?
	You drag queen story time?
	Convicted pedophiles have access to kids?
	What the hell?
	Exactly.
	I mean, we're living in a world where rapists and murderers are being released in the name of a virus, while salon keepers and people who go to the gym are being arrested in the name of the virus.
	So in that kind of world, that kind of insanity, that's to a degree that no dystopian vision or novel or comic book could even imagine, when you witness it in live time, you realize just how dark the other side is.
	Exactly.
	So tonight, in closing, and we're going to air this, even though it's huge breaking news, in the first and second hour tomorrow, Owen's coming in.
	Is this a celebration of not being Judas Iscariot?
	It's a celebration of Get the thief and the murderer there in the Bible with Christ on Calgary, on Golgotha.
	And, you know, one of them makes the decision to believe in God and is forgiven and the other doesn't.
	And Joe wasn't a thief or a murderer.
	He was a really smart guy who, I mean, I know is a good person, loving, also very calculating, very smart.
	Projecting his goodness, like, is it really that bad?
	And he'd be like, I know about this, I know about that.
	He'd do more than I did.
	And I'm like, yeah, this is like 20 years ago.
	He's like, is 9-11 really an inside job?
	Well, Muslim extremists are real, but they funded the groups.
	And he'd be like, finish my sentences.
	I said, Joe, you know all this.
	You're just going to have to make that decision.
	And finally, at the pinnacle, that's God's plan.
	The Lord works mysterious ways.
	He made the right decision.
	And I told him tonight, I said, Joe, I said, I don't want you to even, I said, please tell me this is off record.
	He said, no, I'm just saying.
	And that's what I've got to process.
	I wrote a bunch of notes here.
	I mean, I haven't even covered the over-the-top stuff.
	So this lockdown, all of it has triggered everybody and everybody And so it's just a good sign.
	And people need to know, him going to Spotify is not a sellout.
	It's the complete opposite.
	He has it in the contract.
	He has Alex Jones on.
	My name is in the contract, he told me.
	Or anybody else he wants.
	And they're gonna attack him.
	They're gonna attack the stock.
	It's gonna be insane.
	Joe doesn't care.
	So it's that.
	Finally turning loose of trying to appease the tyrants, which we've all done in certain ways in our life.
	I'm not judging Joe.
	It's a beautiful moment of freedom as, again, an image and an example and a model for all of us.
	And it's a devastating victory.
	I can metaphysically, Barnes, I mean, this is a big, big victory.
	It's an exemplar of what of the deepest form of Americana.
	It's an archetype of what people should do and should be.
	And it's the first real fight back and shot back.
	It's the first shot at Lexington against the big tech sensor controllers that want to dictate what the gated institutional narrative can allow people to hear, speak and say.
	And it's human power.
	Exactly.
	It's what they're scared of.
	It's why they want machines that control every damn thing we do.
	It's why they want us weak instead of strong because they fear the initiative of men.
	And women working together for what's good.
	Dammit!
	We want a future for humans.
	We want victory!
	We want everybody black, white, old, young to live and we'll build the stars!
	We don't want a bunch of weird, big tech, hunchbacked bastards telling us what to think and what to do.
	And if they will keep pushing, we declare war on them!
	That's what this is about!
	Men finally becoming men again!
	Exactly.
	It's unearthing the great schools that cannot be closed, the archives of nature and the rights of man.
	For everyone to hear, listen and act upon.
	And that's the greatest resistance to evil actions is good people doing good things.
	But it takes total commitment.
	Absolutely.
	What he did was not only a right thing, it was a righteous thing.
	And you can feel, I metaphysically felt, finally, just like I did many years ago, of the total commitment.
	It's in that fire we find the victory.
	Alright, well great job here, and we'll have tomorrow night your great recut, best of.
	Tomorrow, the first hour and a half will be taken up with this.
	In fact, Owen's great and ready to come out of the gates, but we'll let him introduce it now.
	He's probably had the first two hours filled with this tomorrow.
	This has been epic transmissions.
	We love you all.
	We really want to thank Joe Rogan for doing what we knew he'd do in the end.

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