QAA - Candace Owens Right Wing Ronin (E364)
Aired: 2026-03-19
Duration: 01:12:47


=== Welcome to QAA Episode 364 (02:11) ===

[00:00:32]  If you're hearing this, well done.
[00:00:34]  You found a way to connect to the internet.
[00:00:36]  Welcome to the QAA podcast, episode 364.
[00:00:40]  Candace Owens, right-wing Ronin.
[00:00:42]  As always, we are your hosts, Julian Field, Liv Akar, and Travis View.
[00:00:47]  Liv, Julian, it's a pleasure podcasting with you again.
[00:00:51]  How are you doing?
[00:00:52]  Before we talk about this lunatic, we doing good?
[00:00:54]  You know, I am doing good, Travis.
[00:00:57]  You know, I've been through some turbulence lately, and I have seen some people reach out.
[00:01:01]  And I just want to let you all know that I am doing just fine.
[00:01:04]  I'm feeling healthy and sturdy, and I'm back.
[00:01:07]  But I will say that I'm doing good, but I'd be doing more good if you signed up for our premium episodes at patreon.com/slash QAA.
[00:01:17]  But Julian, why would people do that?
[00:01:19]  Interesting that you would bring that up, Liv.
[00:01:21]  QAA is totally editorially independent.
[00:01:24]  And, you know, we try to bring in-depth research, high production value.
[00:01:28]  We're not affiliated with any corporations, and we've never run a single ad.
[00:01:31]  And that's because the listener is so kind and they react very well to being guilted into doing stuff.
[00:01:38]  And as such, hopefully what they're doing right now is that they're subscribing for five bucks a month and in exchange, getting access to past episodes that are in our premium archive as well as our main archive.
[00:01:50]  That's a second episode every single week on top of the free one.
[00:01:53]  And I will add that you will make me happy.
[00:01:57]  And it's a bit like a fairy.
[00:01:59]  You know, you got to clap so that I stay alive.
[00:02:01]  And by clap, I mean put your credit card information in at patreon.com slash QA.
[00:02:06]  I know that a lot of you have already done that.
[00:02:08]  Sorry for that, but hey, at least you're not listening to like a fucking my pillow ad or some shit like that.
[00:02:14]  At least we're kind.
[00:02:15]  Liv, how are you doing though?
[00:02:17]  I'm doing good.
[00:02:18]  Yeah.
[00:02:18]  No, um, yeah.
[00:02:20]  Yeah, no, um, she's doing terrible, folks.
[00:02:23]  It's not good.
[00:02:25]  It's not good, but we're working through it.
[00:02:27]  And I'm happy to focus on some batshit insane women on the internet and her like bizarre relationship with the guy who got cooked a couple months ago.
[00:02:37]  Yeah, no matter how much interpersonal drama you're experiencing, it is not on Candace Owens level.

=== Tales of Old Time Licks (06:26) ===

[00:02:43]  So you can, you can kind of stand next to her and look like everything's fine.
[00:02:47]  And we hope you do the same, listener.
[00:02:49]  Travis, how are you doing?
[00:02:50]  I'm doing wonderfully, actually.
[00:02:52]  It's a nice day.
[00:02:54]  It's getting a little warm.
[00:02:55]  It is.
[00:02:56]  We're in Southern California.
[00:02:57]  I'm told that we're going to start getting some real serious heat.
[00:03:01]  So yeah, I'm enjoying what it is now before it gets intolerable.
[00:03:05]  The hottest March in history in California.
[00:03:08]  Oh boy.
[00:03:09]  Can we ascribe that to anything bad?
[00:03:11]  I'm sure we can't.
[00:03:12]  It's just summer and we're having a great time in March.
[00:03:15]  A large, let's say a worldwide increase in temperature.
[00:03:19]  We could call it a global scale, maybe.
[00:03:22]  It's hard to say.
[00:03:23]  And Corey, our producer, is the fourth on this call.
[00:03:26]  And just not if everything's okay, Corey.
[00:03:29]  You can shake your head too, but then you'd have to do sign language and stuff like that.
[00:03:32]  So he's crying.
[00:03:33]  He is weeping.
[00:03:34]  He's weeping because Jake is not on this recording.
[00:03:37]  Yeah, it's all out of balance.
[00:03:39]  The person who does the intro is adhered.
[00:03:42]  We were waiting for like 20 seconds and Julian was like, oh, fuck.
[00:03:45]  I have to be the one who starts it.
[00:03:47]  Yeah.
[00:03:47]  Corhe Klotz has pulled out half of his hair.
[00:03:52]  And it's because he has an umbilical relationship with Jake.
[00:03:55]  As we do we all.
[00:03:56]  Yeah, as we all do.
[00:03:58]  All right.
[00:03:58]  Well, Travis, take us away.
[00:04:02]  In right-wing conspiracist media, all tactics are on the table.
[00:04:06]  For both audiences and creators in the space, innuendo, suggestions of criminal activity, specious connections are all treated as acceptable tactics.
[00:04:15]  They imagine themselves to have goals that are more pressing and more noble than abstract virtues like fairness or perfect accuracy.
[00:04:22]  What exactly is the point of being correct if your enemies are in power?
[00:04:25]  However, an unspoken rule is that not all targets are on the table.
[00:04:29]  Some people are fair game and some are not.
[00:04:31]  It's a violation of this rule that has led Candace Owens to open a rift within the very conservative media ecosystem that once catapulted her to stardom.
[00:04:40]  Rather than the typical targets, Owens has directed her style of pseudo-investigation towards Erica Kirk, the widow of assassinated conservative activist Charlie Kirk, who took over as the CEO of Turning Point USA.
[00:04:52]  This has led some right-wing pundits to push back in the more forceful language they can muster.
[00:04:56]  Like, for example, ex-Deputy FBI director Dan Bongino.
[00:05:01]  F you.
[00:05:02]  Go f yourself, you demonic fing scum.
[00:05:06]  And I'm sorry if the language distracts from you, but I can think of no other New York way to say it than f ⁇ you, motherfucker.
[00:05:14]  You deserve to feel the little licks of the flames of hell on every inch of your body.
[00:05:20]  This is crazy because it's actually how I flirt.
[00:05:22]  I always tell people, you know, my little licks of flame are going to be all over that body.
[00:05:28]  You deserve my little licks.
[00:05:29]  Yeah, you deserve my little licks.
[00:05:31]  What is he saying?
[00:05:32]  Why is he saying, like, sorry for distracting from you?
[00:05:35]  Like, what?
[00:05:36]  I don't.
[00:05:37]  None of these people could speak properly.
[00:05:39]  It's a podcaster presidency and none of them can finish a fucking sentence.
[00:05:43]  Imagine like if fucking, you know, like the last FBI deputy director, like quit his job and just was directly back on a podcast being Alex Jones, essentially.
[00:05:52]  Like, fuck you, you demonic scum is like kind of vintage Alex Jones type talking.
[00:05:56]  It's really a beautiful world we live in.
[00:05:58]  You know, I'm really fascinated by this development because it's the exact opposite of what many assumed the consequences of Charlie Kirk's death would be.
[00:06:06]  Like, Kirk's death has not been a unifying event for conservative media or conservatives generally.
[00:06:12]  It seems to be one of the biggest sources of intramural conflict.
[00:06:15]  So for today's episode, I'm going to unpack the conspiracy theories about Erica Kirk that have caused Bongino to wish hellfire upon his enemies and how Owens' one-time boosters are contending with a monster they created.
[00:06:27]  It's so incredible, truly, to see them go to war with each other over this stuff because for a brief moment, it seemed like they had found a kind of sainted figure that they could all kind of rally around.
[00:06:38]  And now it's just fucking Catfight Central, man.
[00:06:41]  Everybody's, in fact, Cat Turt is involved.
[00:06:44]  Yeah, Trump 2 influencers are fighting more than like left influencers during Trump 1.
[00:06:49]  Remember all those stupid dramas between like podcasts?
[00:06:51]  Like, and they actually have power as well.
[00:06:54]  So they just like can't decide what to do with it.
[00:06:56]  Yeah.
[00:06:56]  This is like when I threatened to everybody on the E1 podcast and their families.
[00:07:02]  You know, it wasn't right, and I apologize.
[00:07:06]  But I will say that Owens' fixation with Erica Kirk makes one wonder what was really going on between Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens.
[00:07:15]  Like, really.
[00:07:16]  Fortunately, Owens has leaked a lot of personal text messages between her and Kirk, and Liv has read many of them.
[00:07:21]  It's going to tell us what they might reveal about their relationship.
[00:07:24]  Yeah, in the past, you'd have like a horse carrying these types of messages across the country to deliver lengthy notes of longing.
[00:07:31]  But now what we have is really cunty tweets.
[00:07:35]  So congratulations, everybody.
[00:07:37]  We made a worse world than our ancestors had.
[00:07:40]  Except for all the, you know, racial stuff and colonization.
[00:07:43]  But yeah.
[00:07:46]  Folks, it's really a tale as old as time.
[00:07:49]  Your work wife starts to get a bit too strong feelings for you.
[00:07:52]  Then years after you had to fire her for offensive comments, she goes down a really weird rabbit hole about the First Lady of France actually being transgender.
[00:07:59]  Then after you distance yourself from this work wife, you're assassinated in one of the most talked about events of the year.
[00:08:04]  Then afterwards, your now former work wife publicly leaks a decade of text messages to construct a narrative about your real wife actually being responsible, and also that you're a literal time traveler who can speak to her in dreams.
[00:08:15]  Cool.
[00:08:15]  And of course, by a tale as old as time, I mean a tale as old as David Lynch's professional career.
[00:08:21]  But while Candace Owens seems to think of Charlie Kirk as a Laura Palmer-esque figure, what did their relationship actually look like?
[00:08:27]  On this segment, I'll go into what little bits of internet gossip I've recovered both from Owens' own show as well as elsewhere to piece together the possibly most lynchian gossip column anyone has ever created.
[00:08:37]  You know, I actually like this metaphor, Liv, because it means that like Charlie Kirk was working at a brothel, as in supporting Israel.
[00:08:44]  And then when he decided that maybe he didn't want to work at that brothel anymore, they killed him.
[00:08:50]  They slid him.
[00:08:52]  Twin Kirks.
[00:08:54]  Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens appear to have met at a conservative conference in 2017, as Owens says herself in a 2025 video shortly after Charlie's death.
[00:09:02]  Yes, he was ambitious.
[00:09:03]  Everybody knows Charlie is ambitious.
[00:09:05]  I met him back in 2017 when Turning Point was this very young organization.

=== Candace's Ambitious Digital Song (05:46) ===

[00:09:10]  Nobody knew who I was.
[00:09:11]  Nobody knew who Charlie Kirk was.
[00:09:13]  And Charlie was always wearing these really baggy suits.
[00:09:17]  I mean, they looked like they were hand-me-downs from three generations because he was focused on the ideas.
[00:09:22]  He didn't care about his appearance.
[00:09:24]  He was laser focused on what he knew Turning Point could become, not could become, but would become.
[00:09:30]  He hired me on the spot.
[00:09:31]  We were at this conference in Florida.
[00:09:34]  And he and I used to always say, we never said the rest, the rest was history.
[00:09:38]  You know, the rest is history.
[00:09:39]  We say, the rest is future.
[00:09:41]  We were totally locked in.
[00:09:42]  It sounds like a fucking wedding vow.
[00:09:44]  Do you know what I mean?
[00:09:45]  Like, she's quite fond of him.
[00:09:48]  His fits were horrible.
[00:09:50]  He really dressed like shit.
[00:09:51]  He had no swag.
[00:09:53]  That's because he cared so much.
[00:09:56]  Owens had been hired as TPUSA's director of urban engagement.
[00:10:00]  That's so inherently racist.
[00:10:02]  Yes.
[00:10:03]  Like, cannot get over it.
[00:10:04]  I remember researching and finding that.
[00:10:07]  It's just so cool.
[00:10:08]  And this was directly after the organization had been under hot water as a result of accusations of racial bias.
[00:10:14]  To quote from a December 2017 New Yorker article by Jane Mayer.
[00:10:18]  Gabrielle Fakir, a former Turning Point employee, told me that she was the only African-American hired as a field director when she worked with the group three years ago.
[00:10:26]  Quote, in looking back, I think it was racist, she said.
[00:10:29]  At the time, I was blaming myself and I thought I did something wrong.
[00:10:32]  Fakir, who now works as a model, recalled that the young black recruits that she brought into the organization suddenly found themselves disinvited from the group's annual student summit.
[00:10:41]  And that when she herself attended, she watched speakers there who, quote, spoke badly about black women having all these babies out of wedlock.
[00:10:47]  It was really offensive.
[00:10:49]  Kirk, through a spokesman, denied that any such incidents occurred and said, quote, these accusations are absolutely baseless and even absurd.
[00:10:56]  Which, like, it's awesome.
[00:10:57]  Like, Charlie Kirk sees like a black woman at a conference.
[00:11:00]  Like, hey, we need one of these.
[00:11:02]  Like, yeah, stick with the welfare queen claims.
[00:11:05]  Like, that's above board.
[00:11:07]  Don't start saying that we have a bunch of babies.
[00:11:09]  Yeah, you know, it's leopards eating people's faces.
[00:11:13]  What do you expect?
[00:11:14]  Yeah.
[00:11:14]  It is bad.
[00:11:14]  And I do think there's something to the fact that the only like properly visible women in right-wing online media are at each other's throats.
[00:11:26]  Like, this is, I think, a natural result of the fact that, like, if you talk back a little too hard to a guy, you're probably going to, you know, get horribly abused.
[00:11:35]  And so to keep this notion that the right-wing cares about you and specifically cares about black women, it's much easier to just go for, you know, the white girl.
[00:11:44]  Yeah.
[00:11:44]  Candace being hired in this way really, I think, does define her relationship, not just to TPUSA, but like a lot of how she got her start as a right-wing influencer and kind of you know political agitator, etc.
[00:11:55]  She's moved on to bigger and better things, like calling Macron's wife like a Jewish transgender.
[00:12:01]  But this is really like you just really using her identity as a cultural.
[00:12:05]  She just really had no problem with that.
[00:12:06]  Around the time of hiring, Candace made a video about her experiences coming out to her parents as a conservative when she was younger.
[00:12:12]  The story didn't quite match her digital footprint.
[00:12:14]  And less than two years before this, she was writing articles speculating about Trump's penis size being small and rejoicing at the possibility of the Tea Party dying off on the anti-conservative website Degree180.
[00:12:24]  I feel like instead of like telling your kid that he has to leave because you know he or she is like LGBTQ, we should start doing that before your kids coming out as conservative.
[00:12:34]  Like, I'm sorry, get out of this house.
[00:12:37]  Owens would only actually have a professional relationship with Kirk for two years.
[00:12:40]  And she left TPUSA as their communications director in 2019.
[00:12:44]  It's like a bit of an upgrade.
[00:12:45]  You know, they were like, okay, you're not just, you're not just a diversity hire.
[00:12:49]  The detail of their personal relationship when Candace was working there was at the time fairly ambiguous.
[00:12:54]  And I can't really find all that much speculation about it online.
[00:12:57]  I do like the idea that when she ended up working for like the Daily Wire, that she tried to build a relationship with Ben Shapiro, but she sent him like Nikki Minaj and he was just not, he didn't answer.
[00:13:09]  He just left her on red.
[00:13:10]  Yeah.
[00:13:10]  So she switched to Charlie and he was way more receptive.
[00:13:13]  Yeah.
[00:13:13]  And then she's like, actually, I do think the Jews are behind all of this.
[00:13:18]  But Charlie Kirk's assassination in September of 2025 really changed that.
[00:13:22]  For the first few days following his death, Candace seemed to actually take it surprisingly easy, as far as right-wing influencers go, at least.
[00:13:29]  Don't get me wrong, she was still definitely milking his death for her own gain, but not in a directly politicized way, I guess.
[00:13:35]  You had a lot of these posts by people who were like, you know, like Matt Walsh being like, this was because of the transgenders, like, just like while his body was not cold, which obviously just like feels horrific about someone you personally knew, but these people are obviously, I mean, Charlie Kirk is a person who would have liked someone to do that about his death as well.
[00:13:52]  So it kind of changes it a little.
[00:13:53]  But Candace was surprisingly reserved about it.
[00:13:56]  You're sainted, but instead of being thrown to the lions, it's because you were thrown to transgender people and they tore you apart.
[00:14:02]  She made no posts about how it was the evil transgenders and the violent radical left that killed him.
[00:14:07]  Mainly just videos of fond memories Candace had with him when the two worked together.
[00:14:10]  Like dancing to Kanye West Power after Kanye spoke positively of Owens in 2018.
[00:14:15]  They really loved Kanye.
[00:14:16]  They really loved Kanye and Nikki Minaj.
[00:14:19]  Oh man, she must be so disappointed in his big, like, I have a brain injury and that's why I have mentis thing that he's been doing.
[00:14:27]  Or of course the two jamming out to the ignition remix by R. Kelly in a limo.
[00:14:31]  Okay, that's a really great song.
[00:14:32]  It's a great song, you know.
[00:14:47]  Okay, the driver is just looking forward with, like, such resignation.
[00:14:53]  He can't quite, you can hear it a little bit, but they're singing along.

=== Betrayed by a Dream Kill (15:38) ===

[00:14:56]  They're having a great time.
[00:14:57]  Ah, these were the salad days.
[00:14:59]  In her September 11th stream, where she posted these videos, she mainly just spoke very positively of Charlie, remembering her old friend very fondly.
[00:15:06]  Ah, Charlie, he wasn't one of the planes that hit the buildings.
[00:15:11]  That really did soil that 9-11 that year.
[00:15:14]  Like, that was the year we all forgot.
[00:15:16]  That was really.
[00:15:18]  Somebody flew a bullet into a building of a different type.
[00:15:21]  I've been told that I should pull back my rhetoric.
[00:15:23]  It's not going to happen, folks.
[00:15:25]  Sorry.
[00:15:26]  This one, I will say that Charlie Kirk, they really overplayed their hand, conservatives, enough that, like, you're not like, people don't care anymore.
[00:15:33]  I've been really enjoying people saying low Kirk actually, like, low Kirk instead of Low Key.
[00:15:38]  That's so.
[00:15:39]  That's 6'7, babe.
[00:15:41]  So 6'7.
[00:15:43]  But it's pretty clear throughout this stream by Candace that she thinks back to her days working with Charlie very fondly.
[00:15:48]  Looking back at too many photos, I just have too many photos with Charlie.
[00:15:52]  It really is incredible to see how many times he's just right behind my back.
[00:15:55]  Charlie always had my back and I always had his.
[00:15:59]  Charlie was right by my side when I started Blexit, obviously.
[00:16:04]  He was also there the night that I met my husband, which was absolutely an incredible night.
[00:16:13]  And in the UK, which I didn't expect to happen.
[00:16:16]  And I got to tell you, initially, Charlie ever, the analytical mind, what I told him, I'm like, oh, I think I'm going to marry this guy first.
[00:16:23]  He's like, wait, wait, like, is this going to be good for your brand?
[00:16:26]  I'm like, Charlie, this is love.
[00:16:27]  This is not a brand decision.
[00:16:29]  And then he sat down and he spent just one evening with George.
[00:16:33]  And he, Charlie, was just the most supportive of everything.
[00:16:36]  And this is our text chain speaking about that moment.
[00:16:39]  He's like, his heart is wonderful.
[00:16:40]  You guys are meant for each other.
[00:16:41]  I see it brilliantly and clearly.
[00:16:44]  And he gets it.
[00:16:46]  He isn't afraid of you being you.
[00:16:48]  And he's been through hell.
[00:16:50]  And it was, yeah, Charlie was by my side the day that I got married.
[00:16:53]  Of course, he was by my side, you know, when I got married to George.
[00:16:57]  I forgot George exists.
[00:16:59]  I feel kind of bad for him.
[00:17:01]  This rough, very bizarre stuff.
[00:17:03]  I really hope that no matter how many nice things I say to my friends and loved ones, that when I die, that people don't mine our fucking text messages for content.
[00:17:12]  That is a really important component of this, how like absurd and parasitic that is.
[00:17:17]  Like the whole right-wing media like ecosystem does just think this way, I think.
[00:17:20]  Like they don't actually like it's the same with Erica Kirk, right?
[00:17:23]  Like in her brain, she doesn't understand.
[00:17:25]  She's like, our war is posting.
[00:17:27]  We're trying to do propaganda and like to use my loved one's death as propaganda and also subsequently like to better my own status is just like, of course, what you would do.
[00:17:36]  Like that's what he would want.
[00:17:37]  Like that's, it's totally fine.
[00:17:39]  It's totally normal.
[00:17:40]  We have a saying here at QAA, which is bad for the world, good for the podcast.
[00:17:44]  I think Candace's is like, bad for the Kirk, could further the podcast.
[00:17:49]  Very bad for the Kirk.
[00:17:51]  I mean, yeah, the thing is that like, if she said that she was getting married and his first response is, will that be good for your brand?
[00:17:57]  That absolutely he would want, he would want all of his archives to be mined for content.
[00:18:02]  That's all he cares about.
[00:18:03]  Yeah, that's so sweet of him.
[00:18:05]  That's so analytical of him.
[00:18:07]  That's what analysis is.
[00:18:08]  Yeah, it's not analytical.
[00:18:09]  It's not like sociopathic to think about your personal brand on the internet when you're thinking about who you're going to marry.
[00:18:16]  Yeah, he's doing analytical thinking to become the most, like, the most craven propagandist in a field of absolute craven propagandists.
[00:18:26]  Yeah.
[00:18:27]  I mean, even just like how Candice Owens was hired, like, it helps contextualize that, like, of course, she doesn't care about that.
[00:18:32]  It's just, it's all about like, one, what can make propaganda for your political cause?
[00:18:36]  And two, like, how can it further you personally?
[00:18:38]  Blexit, my favorite Mexican restaurant here in LA.
[00:18:42]  Right before this clip, Candice plays a video of her standing in front of a campus protester who's holding a sign that reads, If you aren't wealthy, white, and male, Charlie Kirk is not your friend.
[00:18:50]  To which Candice and Kirk gleefully throw their friendship at the protester as a refutation of their argument.
[00:18:55]  If you aren't wealthy, white, and male, Charlie Kirk is not your friend.
[00:18:58]  What do you mean?
[00:18:58]  He's not my friend anymore.
[00:19:00]  Are we not friends?
[00:19:00]  Is that right?
[00:19:02]  So I'm going to find out.
[00:19:03]  A sign outside of it being an event that we just did and you're not my friend.
[00:19:06]  Go figure.
[00:19:07]  Yeah, they say he's not friends with black people.
[00:19:11]  Well, then why is he such a fan of this minstrel show?
[00:19:15]  Candice remembers this gleefully, of course, as one piece of evidence among many of their very strong bond.
[00:19:20]  Like she's like, look, there's a video of Charlie Kirk calling me, you know, his friend.
[00:19:25]  But I can't help but see that as just kind of sad.
[00:19:28]  Yeah.
[00:19:28]  Like this is one case among apparently many where their bond is defined by using Candice's identity as a cudgel against Charlie's political opponents.
[00:19:36]  Something that has now come back for Candace's show as a way of demonstrating how close a friend the two were in a context where being close friends with Charlie is politically advantageous.
[00:19:43]  Like, I'm not even implying that their friendship is insincere.
[00:19:46]  It's just like, this is how these people see the world.
[00:19:48]  Like, they see all of their connections.
[00:19:50]  It's like, how do I, what do I gain out of this?
[00:19:52]  Candace, will marrying George be good for my brand?
[00:19:56]  I can't help but wonder if they thought there was like a will they, won't they thing going on and that like that's what he wanted to hold on to.
[00:20:03]  Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's it that is funny.
[00:20:05]  You can see there is quite a bit of chemistry.
[00:20:07]  Like you look at like old interviews and stuff when they were working together.
[00:20:10]  Like they clearly are like she's not lying.
[00:20:12]  She's not, you know, portraying something in a way that seems inaccurate, at least in terms of how close they were at the time.
[00:20:18]  He's always behind me is an incredibly creepy statement.
[00:20:23]  Basically saying that Charlie Kirk is the it follows demon.
[00:20:28]  I guess the fact that Candace Owens didn't immediately weaponize Charlie Kirk's death to further her political aims.
[00:20:33]  You know, she waited a couple weeks, maybe, was a very strong sign of fondness.
[00:20:38]  Something unique to Owens and Kirk's relationship among basically all those who knew Kirk on a professional basis.
[00:20:44]  In a vague tweet Candice made a few days after his death, she claimed that the truth would be revealed and that people responsible would be held accountable.
[00:20:51]  But in a reply, she noted that she needed at least a week to grieve in order to start talking about it.
[00:20:55]  Dude, she needs a week to find a talking point.
[00:20:58]  That's awesome.
[00:20:59]  I need to do some research on how I can exploit this, you know, in the maximum way.
[00:21:04]  Listen, I need time to get together with my team to come up with a narrative.
[00:21:09]  And as you are all very likely aware, Candice Owens has talked about it a lot.
[00:21:13]  She really hasn't stopped talking about it.
[00:21:15]  No.
[00:21:15]  And as we will see, to the extreme detriment of those around Charlie.
[00:21:18]  This segment won't delve particularly deeply into the elaborate Israeli-Egyptian grassy-knoll conspiracy theories that Owens has been cooking up in recent months.
[00:21:25]  Outside of evidence for those theories, that oddly enough, Candice has been sourcing directly from the many text messages that you have sent between 2017 and 2019.
[00:21:34]  Initially, it seems like Owens focused on the transgender roommate/slash girlfriend of the killer as a source of the baking.
[00:21:40]  Then, for a few months, she pivoted towards Israel being the main culprit, then slowly dragged more and more agents into this conspiracy, such as local and state government, as well as the FBI.
[00:21:49]  At some point, Candice has also claimed that both her and Charlie have had secret CIA handlers that they both weren't aware of.
[00:21:54]  The FBI was right-wing.
[00:21:56]  Like, that's, it was supposed to be cleansed, but I guess there must be, you know, some people inside there that are meeting in a separate room that wanted to do this.
[00:22:05]  You can't, you have to keep cleansing.
[00:22:07]  That's, that's the motto of any normal, good ideology is you've cleansed once, that's not enough.
[00:22:13]  You got to keep cleansing.
[00:22:14]  No.
[00:22:15]  What if the purge was every day?
[00:22:17]  One important source for this paranoia, outside of personal text messages from nine years ago, was also Candice Owens' own dreams.
[00:22:23]  Like in October, when she claimed thus.
[00:22:25]  Like I just said, had a vivid dream this weekend, and Charlie came to me and he told me that he was betrayed.
[00:22:33]  And so for me, you don't have to believe that, but I do believe that.
[00:22:37]  And it was the immediate sense I got actually.
[00:22:41]  And I don't know who exactly it is that betrayed him, but I also felt in the dream that it is soon going to be revealed, that it's actually inevitable that it is going to be revealed, that there is nothing and no one that is going to stop the truth from coming out and it is going to have international consequences.
[00:22:56]  Take that to the bank.
[00:22:57]  Quote me on that.
[00:22:58]  I think that most people on an international level do not know who Charlie Kirk is.
[00:23:03]  Do they?
[00:23:03]  I feel like I was surprised.
[00:23:04]  Maybe Anglo-Sphere they do.
[00:23:06]  And then outside of the family.
[00:23:07]  I mean, they're just like, the neck guy?
[00:23:09]  Yeah.
[00:23:10]  But yeah, I had this dream.
[00:23:11]  I was in this strange room.
[00:23:13]  It had a red curtain.
[00:23:15]  Charlie Kirk whispered the name of his killer in my ear, but I didn't hear it.
[00:23:20]  I have visit you to tell you the truth about Israel.
[00:23:26]  In early January, Candice would also use dream interpretation to find a connection between certain members of TPUSA and Kirk's death.
[00:23:33]  In her live show, Candice details a dream she supposedly had of her 2019 trip to Israel with Kirk.
[00:23:37]  They went slightly differently than it had in real life.
[00:23:40]  The setting of this particular dream, however, had one dramatic difference.
[00:23:43]  We were not there for the opening of the embassy.
[00:23:48]  And this difference, by the way, I don't really understand yet.
[00:23:51]  I'm just sharing it with you.
[00:23:52]  Instead, we were there in this dream setting for Bibi Netanyahu's wife's funeral.
[00:24:00]  Again, that makes entirely no sense.
[00:24:01]  I've never met his wife.
[00:24:02]  I've never spoken about his wife.
[00:24:03]  I know nothing about his wife.
[00:24:04]  So that's just the context of it.
[00:24:07]  I don't make the rules of Dream World.
[00:24:09]  And obviously, as we were sitting there, it didn't strike me as weird because when you're in your dream state, everything that happens for some reason feels like, oh yeah, this is totally normal.
[00:24:16]  Anyway, Charlie said to me, I don't have much time.
[00:24:19]  He followed that up explaining to me that I needed to see what happened on his left.
[00:24:25]  And he told me explicitly, they betrayed me, multiple people.
[00:24:29]  And I said, I know, but who?
[00:24:31]  Then came the frustrating part of the dream.
[00:24:33]  Every time I would say, who, you know, when you're in a dream and you go, who, or you try to speak in the dream, and then suddenly you're actually speaking in real life and you start to wake yourself up from the dream by accident?
[00:24:43]  That's what kept happening.
[00:24:44]  And whenever I would try to listen to what he was saying, it sounded like he was underwater.
[00:24:48]  So I was frustrated by this.
[00:24:50]  I can't get to the part where you tell me who betrayed you.
[00:24:54]  It wasn't until the third week after his death that finally one face came through in this dream.
[00:24:59]  It came through as clear as day from around the corner of the restaurant.
[00:25:04]  And it was Andrew Colvett's.
[00:25:06]  Who the fuck is that?
[00:25:07]  Colvett is the executive producer of TPUSA, who I would imagine was not especially happy about Owen's Lynchian method of gaining the truth about the death of an individual he had worked with for years.
[00:25:17]  In true Lynchian manner, Candice has also become convinced that Charlie had some sort of special gift of foresight and had predicted his death multiple times, one of which was allegedly right before he was killed.
[00:25:27]  One more thing rather explosively.
[00:25:29]  Three people told me off record, two people who have this in a written communication from Charlie.
[00:25:37]  One, who is a turning point USA donor, and I would say very much one of the white knights in this.
[00:25:43]  The very day before Charlie Kirk died, he expressed that he thought he was going to be killed.
[00:25:49]  He told these people, I think they're going to kill me.
[00:25:51]  Okay.
[00:25:52]  He had not expressed that to me.
[00:25:54]  So I am telling you this based off the testimony of three people.
[00:25:57]  And I am saying this because I hope that these people who I think are good will be inspired to come forward with that.
[00:26:04]  Now, again, those conversations I had were off record.
[00:26:06]  I honor that.
[00:26:07]  If I say it's off record, it stays off record.
[00:26:09]  But I'm hoping that watching what I am doing and feeling the energy that is rising across the world for people who want to know what the heck happened on 9-10, that, you know, they will be brave and they will say, yeah, Charlie did the day before he died think that he was going to be killed and maybe tell us who is they?
[00:26:28]  For once and for all, who is they?
[00:26:29]  Who is the they that he thought was were going to kill him?
[00:26:32]  That would have hit a lot harder if she hadn't been doing like the most esoteric anti-Semitism leading up to this.
[00:26:37]  There's also a couple of text messages she makes as well that like, you know, Charlie had this foresight of like he knew he was going to die young.
[00:26:44]  So it's like, well, what did he know?
[00:26:46]  He like had dreams about it.
[00:26:47]  Well, he was tall.
[00:26:48]  So it's like big dogs, you know, they have a shorter span.
[00:26:51]  Yeah, the heart beats faster, yeah.
[00:26:54]  But Owens would top herself again in a stream later that month on January 14th, which was titled Project Looking Glass, a reference to a conspiracy about CIA technology that has the capacity to alter the future.
[00:27:05]  Yeah, we've covered that many times on the podcast.
[00:27:07]  This is incredible, pure QAnon stuff.
[00:27:09]  We love it.
[00:27:10]  Oh, yeah.
[00:27:10]  But instead of queuing on, instead of like baking Trump tweets, it's baking your friends' text messages from 10 years ago.
[00:27:16]  Your ex-co-worker.
[00:27:17]  God, she must have spent so much time scrolling those text messages, finding all this stuff while her husband's like, are you even paying attention to the movie?
[00:27:25]  Because you're the one who put this one on.
[00:27:27]  In this episode of Candace Owens live show, she looks at some of her almost decade-old text messages with her work husband through a different lens.
[00:27:34]  In particular, how these at the time seemingly innocuous messages were actually connected to a much bigger spiritual battle between good and evil, which eventually would lead Kirk to get killed.
[00:27:43]  It also demonstrates that he was supernaturally special in some important way.
[00:27:46]  The first thing that I want to remind you guys is exactly what I said at the top of the show.
[00:27:50]  It is an absolute fact that Charlie Kirk thought that he was a time traveler.
[00:27:55]  He told me he was a time traveler repeatedly.
[00:27:57]  I showed you guys that text message exchange.
[00:27:59]  I said to him in response that I didn't feel the same way and that I thought I was from another planet, that I was an alien my entire life.
[00:28:07]  Just do not get it here.
[00:28:08]  This planet is ghetto.
[00:28:10]  That's how I feel.
[00:28:11]  I don't understand it.
[00:28:11]  The rules don't make sense.
[00:28:13]  I think that's also why I like cats so much.
[00:28:15]  I feel that they can relate to that.
[00:28:18]  They think humanity is ghetto.
[00:28:20]  They don't want to be around us.
[00:28:21]  They don't like us.
[00:28:23]  They know it's ghetto.
[00:28:23]  It is ghetto here, right?
[00:28:25]  I just.
[00:28:26]  I mean, I also kind of feel like Candace Owens has like the easiest job in media.
[00:28:31]  She's sitting up there.
[00:28:32]  She's talking about her dreams and her text messages.
[00:28:35]  Like anyone can just ramble on about these kinds of things.
[00:28:37]  She is like a Victorian wife.
[00:28:39]  Like she just kind of trips out most of the day and like maybe eventually tries laudanum.
[00:28:45]  I also like the idea that like Charlie Kirk was a time traveler, but he went back to fight other time travelers and saved baby Hitler.
[00:28:52]  Yeah.
[00:28:53]  Now Candace, as far as I can tell, has never actually directly posted this specific message shane, only reading off it.
[00:29:00]  But in it, she calls herself an alien and Charlie calls himself a time traveler.
[00:29:03]  I believe there's a robot emoji that's posted.
[00:29:05]  Yeah, they're just kidding around, Candace.
[00:29:07]  Like he didn't expect that you would have latent schizophrenia.
[00:29:11]  Yeah.
[00:29:12]  This is not the only crazy bake contained in this episode.
[00:29:15]  Almost immediately after this, Candace Owens continues baking her dead friend slash ex-co-workers texts like their cue drops.
[00:29:20]  This one, in relation to a text Charlie sent, quote, being annoyed that he had to deal with security.
[00:29:25]  Looking forward to our kiki, babe.
[00:29:27]  What did he mean?
[00:29:28]  Thinking about that, the security, him texting saying, I'm not allowed to go anywhere.
[00:29:33]  I feel so important, I think was the exact message.
[00:29:36]  That, to me, is objectively weird in retrospect.
[00:29:41]  Wasn't weird at the time.
[00:29:42]  It's weird now.
[00:29:43]  And it makes me think that Charlie may have been marked since he was a child.
[00:29:47]  We've discussed these gate programs that they have in school.
[00:29:51]  And I just think on the basis of what he told me, that when he was really young, they wanted to drug him, but his mother said no, and he was really grateful for that.
[00:29:59]  And instead, they decided that they could send him to this X-Men school.
[00:30:03]  That's the best way I can describe it.
[00:30:04]  I was certainly, by the way, for you internet salutes, I'd like to find out which school Charlie had to attend.
[00:30:10]  So he was pulled out the regular school he was attending and he had to go to some special school for the gifted, like he was an X-Men.
[00:30:17]  And I am of the opinion.
[00:30:18]  It's an opinion.
[00:30:19]  I'm allowed to have it.
[00:30:20]  It's obviously not a fact, but I am of the opinion based on the discussions I had with him that he's been monitored since.
[00:30:26]  That his test scores, whatever the score, every test they probably did on him, he was off the charts and they wanted to make sure that he was being watched.

=== Malevolent Forces and Sumerian Schools (05:38) ===

[00:30:34]  That's amazing.
[00:30:34]  His superpower.
[00:30:36]  He could grow his gums at will.
[00:30:39]  Demented stuff.
[00:30:40]  She's absolutely out of her fucking mind.
[00:30:42]  Yeah, it's like she has like some like schizoaffective symptoms or something.
[00:30:47]  Like it's like there's something clinical.
[00:30:49]  Like if a therapist heard this, they would be worried.
[00:30:52]  They would be concerned.
[00:30:53]  Truly bizarre stuff.
[00:30:55]  Yeah, that comes from a text that like he felt like his security was like kind of managing and handling him in a way that was annoying of like, oh, did he know that they were in a secret plot to kill him?
[00:31:04]  You know how at the end of like The Wretched of the Earth, Fanon just does different like kind of psychiatric evaluations of people.
[00:31:10]  I would kill to add Candace.
[00:31:12]  We need to bring him back just for that.
[00:31:14]  It's like, yeah, it's right at the end.
[00:31:16]  It's like, you know, evaluation of the French torturer who was like putting, cooking up car batteries to FLN freedom fighters and then Candace Owens.
[00:31:23]  Yes.
[00:31:24]  GATE, if you're unaware, stands for Gifted and Talented Education.
[00:31:27]  It's a program to identify kids that excel at education and accelerate their learning.
[00:31:31]  So she's using that as evidence, among other, you know, obscure, innocuous text messages, to show that Charlie truly did understand his fate at some level.
[00:31:39]  But she continues.
[00:31:40]  And a lot of weird things used to happen to Charlie.
[00:31:43]  He would go on runs.
[00:31:44]  I think I told you guys this after sundown, and when he was running, streetlights would go out.
[00:31:49]  Like it was like he was a burst of energy, like he was a lightning bolt or something.
[00:31:53]  So what?
[00:31:54]  What the fuck?
[00:31:56]  Oh my god, she claims that like they tried to drug him as a kid.
[00:31:58]  Like this guy was basically one SSRI treatment away from like us having a better world.
[00:32:04]  And him probably being alive.
[00:32:06]  Yeah.
[00:32:06]  Candace seems to have this like the shining-esque image of Charlie.
[00:32:10]  There's this gifted individual and a collection of dark malevolent forces have been working against him in order to eliminate him.
[00:32:16]  But she knows exactly what the evil CIA deep state did in order to snuff Charlie's flame.
[00:32:20]  Anyways, they have a knack for murder.
[00:32:21]  They have a knack for theft.
[00:32:23]  And this time, just like a lot of times before, they stole a device from the ancient Sumerian civilization that's located in modern-day Iraq.
[00:32:32]  Very advanced civilization.
[00:32:34]  They're obsessed also with Egyptian civilization, as we discussed yesterday.
[00:32:37]  The Satanists kind of taking and reintroducing these things.
[00:32:43]  First, they keep them to themselves, they hoard these things, and then they kind of give us certain aspects of technology as time goes on.
[00:32:49]  So they steal this piece of technology and they incorporate it into a computer.
[00:32:54]  And suddenly they're apparently able to predict future outcomes.
[00:33:00]  This just gets so dense.
[00:33:03]  This video is like a gish gallop of some of the wildest claims I've ever heard.
[00:33:08]  She lives in an alternate universe.
[00:33:10]  Yeah, that is the odd thing, is like a lot of it's quite confused and kind of jumbled together.
[00:33:14]  Like she's not even good at presenting the information particularly.
[00:33:17]  Like she's not good at what she does.
[00:33:19]  She's not like, she's just insane.
[00:33:21]  Do not memorialize me when I die with using Sumerian technology in your explanation.
[00:33:28]  This is slightly unrelated to the text messages this little bit, but I just thought it was too good to not agree.
[00:33:34]  It is.
[00:33:34]  She's clearly deeply invested in Charlie at like an emotional level, and that's a part of like the profoundly sad feeling she feels likely for him when he died.
[00:33:42]  Like she's just kind of converting it into like, it needs to be a part of the combat, the way that I'm fighting against the evil forces that must have killed him.
[00:33:50]  It's an odd mirror to Erica Kirk, I think, who like I think probably is doing that in her own way of like, I need to just like get a bunch of clout and make TPUSA even bigger because it's what he would have wanted.
[00:34:00]  It's just these people have just like deeply damaged, distorted images of like how to honor a person's memory.
[00:34:05]  Like what it means to live a good life and subsequently what it means to honor someone after they've died.
[00:34:09]  And like this is just, they're doing that.
[00:34:11]  I think there's a, there's, yeah, there, there is this kind of like ubermesh kind of like aspect to it.
[00:34:16]  It's like, no, he was not a mere man.
[00:34:18]  Like reality bent around him.
[00:34:20]  Like they're like malevolent forces that hide in the shadows, tried to stop him.
[00:34:24]  The very lights, you know, sort of like shut off as he ran through the streets.
[00:34:29]  He was, he was, you know, incomprehensibly good.
[00:34:31]  This is like how, this is how she, you know, memorialized and celebrates him by making him into like some sort of X-Man, I guess.
[00:34:38]  When I think of Charlie, I can't help but think of the ancient city-state of Uruk, where he would walk in robes and take in Sumerian technology.
[00:34:49]  Too bad he wasn't allowed access to the knowledge of the device because it could have changed the world.
[00:34:54]  My favorite Charlie Kirk memory of his was when he stared at me and then spoke in a dead language that had never been known for thousands of years.
[00:35:02]  He was saying something in Aramaic.
[00:35:04]  I don't know what it was.
[00:35:05]  She does talk about him in the same way that theosophists talk about ascended masters, like these population of people that are above us can do, you know, alchemy and things that are all beyond our comprehension.
[00:35:15]  Charlie St. Germain Kirk.
[00:35:18]  Then, of course, Candice believes that they, you know, CIA, Deep State, Evil, use this Sumerian device to find and eliminate Charlie Kirk.
[00:35:25]  They're calling it the Stargate.
[00:35:27]  And that's why they had him marked and had him monitored and had him likely followed since he was young.
[00:35:33]  And maybe they thought the agents think that if they swarmed him and they stayed with him and they pretended to be his friend, that ultimately they could control Charlie and perhaps change an outcome.
[00:35:45]  They could literally change an outcome related to Charlie.
[00:35:49]  So when for the first time in his life, because I do believe he was managed, I mean, I've already said I was handled.
[00:35:56]  I didn't recognize that I had agents.
[00:35:59]  Oh, God.
[00:36:00]  To achieve this without methamphetamine is a feat.
[00:36:04]  Yeah.
[00:36:04]  No, it's, I mean, you can see why a lot of people have baked that they had some sort of romantic feelings for each other at the very least.
[00:36:11]  Some have claimed it fair.

=== Nationalism, Qualifications, and Movements (15:26) ===

[00:36:13]  Because she is like, she is odd.
[00:36:14]  She's oddly obsessed with not only Charlie, but like the people around Charlie Kirk and like anger with them.
[00:36:21]  And like, I think a part of like how they, how they separated their professional career also contextualizes this more.
[00:36:27]  I just wonder what like ancient racist who funds TPUSA told him to not have a black wife.
[00:36:35]  Because I think there's an alternate universe here.
[00:36:37]  Yes.
[00:36:38]  Yeah.
[00:36:39]  Where he isn't given a wife, a Trump world wife.
[00:36:42]  Yeah.
[00:36:43]  Candice certainly tells a story of these two being quite close, even after they parted ways following Candice's resignation from TPUSA.
[00:36:50]  But even her departure itself was fraught with controversy.
[00:36:52]  While Candice has gotten a lot more attention in recent years for the insane shit that she's been saying, it's been a mainstay of a lot of her rhetoric for a while, including in December of 2018, when she said this at the launch of an event for TPUSA Britain, directly after Charlie Kirk hands her a microphone.
[00:37:07]  Yeah, I agree.
[00:37:07]  I actually don't have any problems at all with the word nationalism.
[00:37:10]  I think that it gets, the definition gets poisoned by elitists that actually want globalism.
[00:37:16]  Globalism is what I don't want.
[00:37:18]  So when you think about, whenever we say nationalism, the first thing people think about, at least in America, is Hitler.
[00:37:23]  You know, he was a national socialist.
[00:37:25]  But if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, okay, fine.
[00:37:30]  The problem is, is that he wanted, he had dreams outside of Germany.
[00:37:34]  He wanted to globalize.
[00:37:35]  He wanted everybody to be German, everybody to be speaking German, everybody to look a different way.
[00:37:38]  That's not, to me, that's not nationalism.
[00:37:41]  So in thinking about how we could go bad down the line, I don't really, I don't really have an issue with nationalism.
[00:37:47]  I really don't.
[00:37:48]  I think that it's okay.
[00:37:48]  It's important to retain your country's identity and to make sure that what's happening here, which I think is incredibly worrisome in terms of just the decrease in the birth rate that we're seeing in the UK, is what you kind of want to avoid.
[00:38:02]  So I'm not, I don't have anything problem.
[00:38:04]  I have no problems with nationalism.
[00:38:05]  It's globalism that I try to avoid.
[00:38:07]  This, but she's correct and she's talking about like the freedom movements and third worldism.
[00:38:13]  It's just so almost there and you just cannot pick up the right books.
[00:38:18]  Instead, you're picking up the protocols.
[00:38:20]  Like the nationalism of the global proletariat is what we need.
[00:38:25]  Yeah.
[00:38:25]  I mean, you know, a lot of freedom movements were nationalist movements, like trying to unite, you know, tribes so that they could fight off colonialism.
[00:38:32]  I mean, there is an argument for nationalism and it is not this.
[00:38:35]  Yeah, I mean, it's just also she's like a profoundly stupid person.
[00:38:38]  Like in case you're like, I guess that's, that is just simply true.
[00:38:43]  Yeah.
[00:38:43]  Like globalism is when you want your country to have more control over other countries because it's around the globe.
[00:38:50]  Yeah.
[00:38:50]  My favorite bit of this clip is when Charlie Kirk wanders slightly into frame at the end.
[00:38:54]  You can see, I mean, I don't know if I'm doing begging here, but he's not especially fond of what she just said.
[00:38:59]  No, no, no, he's very uncomfortable and he has no quite no.
[00:39:03]  He's very, he's obviously much savvier than she is.
[00:39:05]  She's knows, oh, this is like, this is sort of an uncomfortable thing.
[00:39:08]  Yeah, this is like speech at the wedding and you've drank a little too much.
[00:39:12]  Someone else is wandering up to you, slowly sauntering over.
[00:39:16]  He's always behind me.
[00:39:17]  I don't know.
[00:39:17]  And I'm just saying stuff.
[00:39:19]  She would eventually have to resign from the organization half a year later because of internal backlash.
[00:39:23]  This is not exactly the best way to maintain a friendship.
[00:39:26]  Candice says that the two were close throughout this and afterwards.
[00:39:29]  And there are certainly text messages that she's posted in recent years that imply the two are, at the very least, not on bad terms, even if they aren't queening out to Nikki Minaj versus together, as they used to be when they were co-workers.
[00:39:39]  There's a recent video where someone asked about Candice, and Charlie was like, Despite all of the terrible evil opinions she has, like, I'm still her friend.
[00:39:46]  You know, I'm allowed to have, you know, the woke wants you to not be able to be friends with people who think that, you know, the Jews run everything, but I'm still going to do it.
[00:39:54]  But even like, she'll post text messages.
[00:39:56]  She's like, this is one of the recent messages Charlie sent me before he died, and it was from like May.
[00:40:00]  And it's just like a one-word response.
[00:40:02]  You know, it's a prayer emoji, and it's like, you're so right.
[00:40:04]  So he'd like, they're clearly.
[00:40:06]  Yeah, I bet he wasn't a fan of her, like, basically reviving Frankism as like the source of all evil.
[00:40:13]  I mean, just true madness, you know.
[00:40:14]  And of course, like, we're not arguing here that Zionism doesn't exist, but her argument has nothing to do with opposition to Israel.
[00:40:22]  Like, she genuinely believes in like a more pure, like, you know, people of a certain blood are the ones running everything.
[00:40:29]  Yeah, it's more of like the kind of paleocon anti-Semitism opposition to Israel than it is like a left-wing critique of colonialism.
[00:40:38]  Yeah, no, she definitely isn't talking about like settlers and no, yeah.
[00:40:42]  It's crazy.
[00:40:43]  Like the problem with Israel is just this like immaterial force of Jewishness that it's responsible for.
[00:40:49]  It's not like a structure that any ethnicity, any group of people could reproduce and use to dominate others.
[00:40:55]  Yeah.
[00:40:55]  I mean, Israeli propaganda basically worked on her.
[00:40:57]  They were like, with the star of David and the flag, like, you know, people are going to think that like we represent all Jewish people, which is not the case.
[00:41:04]  It is hard to hear what Charlie Kirk is kind of saying directly.
[00:41:06]  You can see that there is a distancing, but that Kirk is not publicly ditching Candace Owens.
[00:41:12]  Charlie Kirk was quite a savvy person, relatively speaking.
[00:41:15]  So I'm sure that he just kind of understood that she's just a liability now.
[00:41:18]  And like, well, she used to be my work wife.
[00:41:20]  But we do have some indication, some little bits of gossip to kind of push that theory forward or to show that it has some like to stand on at the very least.
[00:41:29]  And of course, Charlie Kirk's camp is obviously not particularly fond of Candace Owens' pot stirring.
[00:41:33]  Those close to Charlie obviously had many things to say about their relationship that run counter to Candace's stories.
[00:41:39]  One example from the same month that Kirk got killed comes from Eric Bowling, a Newsmax host with a long history with the organization.
[00:41:45]  2011, 2012, 2013, they were tight.
[00:41:48]  They grew TPUSA like crazy.
[00:41:50]  I was shocked to see her leave until I being part of TPUSA.
[00:41:54]  Her theories got just a little bit too down the rabbit holes.
[00:41:58]  It was just, it was too extreme for their taste.
[00:42:01]  And Charlie, to his credit, kept a friend, a cordial friendship for her, with her for years.
[00:42:06]  But it hasn't been a communication pipeline back and forth between the two for many years.
[00:42:12]  That's why I don't know why we give Candace Owens' assessment any weight at all.
[00:42:18]  You're on the board of Turning Point?
[00:42:19]  Yeah.
[00:42:20]  Okay.
[00:42:20]  When's the last time you saw Candace Owens?
[00:42:23]  In person?
[00:42:24]  Yeah.
[00:42:25]  2015?
[00:42:26]  2016.
[00:42:27]  Okay.
[00:42:28]  When's the last time she was at a turning point event?
[00:42:30]  Not in many years.
[00:42:31]  Okay.
[00:42:32]  So let's hear you.
[00:42:32]  You don't even know how to do it.
[00:42:34]  There's a best involved.
[00:42:36]  There's no at all question proof that Candace Owens is nothing, has nothing to do.
[00:42:44]  She would be in a perfect world if they didn't have this.
[00:42:48]  What I already know was a quiet breakup where she got too rabbit hole for him.
[00:42:54]  She would be the logical heir to the TPUSA throne.
[00:42:58]  But she's not.
[00:42:59]  She's not even invited.
[00:43:00]  Correct.
[00:43:01]  So this is this is their divide is not invited, meaning me.
[00:43:04]  She's not even there.
[00:43:05]  Yeah, she's not one of the names.
[00:43:08]  You don't think she'll be at the funeral?
[00:43:09]  No, no, no.
[00:43:10]  She's not at the funeral.
[00:43:12]  She doesn't speak at the events anymore.
[00:43:14]  I mean, Erica, that's a reason for Kirk.
[00:43:16]  I mean, what is Erica Kirk's relationship with Candace at this point?
[00:43:20]  Is there a relationship?
[00:43:21]  I don't think so.
[00:43:23]  Why do you not think so?
[00:43:24]  Because I live in this world.
[00:43:26]  I live in this world.
[00:43:27]  You know this world.
[00:43:28]  Tell us.
[00:43:29]  I don't see them together.
[00:43:30]  I don't think Candace has created a lane for herself.
[00:43:35]  It's her own lane.
[00:43:36]  She wants to go after Macron's husband or wife or whatever you want to call him.
[00:43:39]  That's a good, like, the Macon's husband comment is a good like reference to like, no, all of these people are fucking batshit insane.
[00:43:46]  Yeah, insane.
[00:43:47]  Truly insane.
[00:43:48]  And also, they make me feel like I'm really good at podcasting.
[00:43:52]  They cannot string a sentence together or like, or like not yell over each other.
[00:43:56]  This guy sounds fucking hammered.
[00:43:57]  Like, this is a drunk guy who's just got lots of, you know.
[00:44:01]  Yeah, I mean, that is the MAGA look is like just very red.
[00:44:04]  Guy who's been on a bunch of creatine and then drank like for years.
[00:44:08]  Just the reddest man you've ever seen in your life.
[00:44:10]  Yeah.
[00:44:11]  But yeah, I mean, this is also a reference to the fact that Owens was not at Charlie Kirk's memorial, to which Owens, I believe, responded, like, I'm afraid of the fed.
[00:44:18]  Like, there are going to be feds there.
[00:44:19]  Like, of course, I wouldn't go.
[00:44:20]  You can just see, like, this, this does paint an image of, like, I think a bit more honest than maybe other people in the circle would have said that, like, Owens kind of got cut out of it, that she was too much, and that her comments became a liability as she was literally fired for saying Hitler was cool.
[00:44:34]  And you could sense that there's probably some bitterness there, that she's still fond of Charlie and Charlie was still cordial with her.
[00:44:41]  Yeah.
[00:44:41]  This might not necessarily be the full story, but you can see an image forming that's very plausible that helps kind of explain some of Candace Owens' reactions, especially how she's been implicating people in TPUSA and even obviously Charlie Kirk's own wife in these conspiracy theories.
[00:44:56]  Yeah, it feels like she's a bit jealous.
[00:44:57]  I mean, first of all, Candace is not someone who's celebrated on the right.
[00:45:02]  She's not spoken fondly of by, you know, Trump and Vance.
[00:45:06]  You know, she's not invited to events anymore.
[00:45:09]  And she probably resented Charlie for a while about a lot of this and now is just displacing this and this kind of jealousy about her visibility onto, yeah, Charlie Kirk's, I suppose, now ex-wife.
[00:45:21]  All this has fueled a great deal of baking and gossiping about the two Candace Owens and Charlie Kirk's relationship, the degree to which it was romantic, how much of a falling out they had after the two went their separate ways professionally.
[00:45:32]  And perhaps nothing has fueled the speculation more intensely than what Travis will be talking about on the next segment of this pod, which is Candice's bizarre fixation on Charlie's ex-wife, Erica Kirk.
[00:45:41]  I can't stop thinking about that fire tongue, you know, that Bongino is fantasizing about running all over the bodies of his enemies.
[00:45:49]  Travis, do you have any explanation for this?
[00:45:52]  Yeah.
[00:45:52]  What really got Bongino like, you know, bringing out his inner Dante was Candace Owens produced a multi-part video series called Bride of Charlie.
[00:46:04]  Oh my God.
[00:46:05]  Yeah.
[00:46:06]  But that means Charlie is Chucky.
[00:46:08]  That's she is hopeless.
[00:46:11]  She's a little rascal.
[00:46:12]  She is a true little rascal.
[00:46:14]  You have to know good again.
[00:46:17]  So this consists of seven hour-long episodes about Erica Kirk so far.
[00:46:23]  That's awesome.
[00:46:24]  It's like a cursed media fucking mini-series.
[00:46:27]  There are some real sickos in this world, millions of sickos, who spend hours of their day watching videos about Erica Kirk.
[00:46:36]  Yeah.
[00:46:36]  I'd hate to be that.
[00:46:39]  I mean, yeah, you got me there.
[00:46:42]  Now, Owens frames the series as an investigation into whether sort of Erica's public story is truthful.
[00:46:48]  And she opens with a complaint that a woman with zero professional qualifications has been elevated to lead a major conservative nonprofit and insisting that something's not right about her.
[00:46:59]  Owens starts with Erica's upbringing, family story, schools, and relationships, then moves into a much broader web of insinuations involving elite family lineages, occult ideas, LLCs, and alleged financial irregularities, Romania, gambling, military connections, leaked calls, fundraising, and supposed insurance or business motives.
[00:47:19]  Travis, bringing us at page 666.
[00:47:22]  You know, something I realized watching through Candace Owens' content is that I think she's kind of discovered an infinite content glitch.
[00:47:29]  So here's how it works.
[00:47:30]  She settles on a target, and I think part of Candace Owens' effectiveness is that she picks targets that haven't already been focused on by conservative media before.
[00:47:40]  Now, you could go to like hundreds of podcasts or conspiracy blogs that dive into Democratic leaders like Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton or unpack the connections of high-powered donors like George Soros or Bill Gates.
[00:47:52]  But Candace instead picks targets like French first lady Brigitte Macron, or in this instance, Erica Kirk, targets where she is for sure going to be like the first to unspool narratives.
[00:48:02]  And then what she does is that she asserts that they're hiding something or the past about what they claim to be is a lie.
[00:48:08]  You know, their identity is all a facade.
[00:48:11]  And here's the clever part.
[00:48:12]  She proceeds to dig into her subject's past to find information gaps, inconsistencies in the public stories, alleged record anomalies, or suspicious links, which she claims supports her original claim that this person isn't who they say they are.
[00:48:26]  This is effective at generating hours and hours of video content because everyone, even the most open and transparent public figures, have information gaps in the public record about them.
[00:48:35]  But Candace takes the additional step of sometimes asserting that there's missing information about their subject when there isn't.
[00:48:40]  For example, you know, remember, Candace Owens claimed that Brigitte Macron was, you know, actually born as her brother and cited as evidence that there's no evidence of Bridget Macron as a child, even though there are.
[00:48:50]  Yeah, we covered that extensively.
[00:48:52]  One of her many hallucinations.
[00:48:55]  So let's talk about what she says about Eric Kirk.
[00:48:58]  Now, I want to be clear.
[00:48:59]  I have no interest in like defending Erica Kirk generally.
[00:49:02]  I think she's the head of a deeply evil organization that directs tens of millions of dollars every year towards inspiring hate and suspicion towards vulnerable populations.
[00:49:11]  In fact, Erica Kirk herself once called the anti-ICE protest demonic.
[00:49:15]  But I think this is a good illustration of how Candace Owens operates.
[00:49:19]  In Bright of Charlie, Owens opens with her saying that, you know, it's perfectly legitimate to see if Erica Kirk is honest about who she is.
[00:49:27]  Okay, you guys, there is a very strange thing happening right now where a young woman with absolutely zero professional qualifications has been inserted at the top of a charity organization that pulled in over a quarter billion dollars last year.
[00:49:42]  And the media is telling you that you have no right to know or to ask anything about her.
[00:49:48]  These talking heads are claiming that the public simply wanting to ensure the person who is running that organization is, I don't know, at a bare minimum, moderately honest about who she says she is.
[00:49:59]  No, that inquiry makes you a monster.
[00:50:02]  Yeah, it's quite smart because it's like, it's kind of weird.
[00:50:04]  Like, I don't know why they did Erica as the head of this.
[00:50:07]  I don't because none of it, nobody has any qualifications.
[00:50:11]  Yeah, of course.
[00:50:11]  Of course.
[00:50:12]  Charlie doesn't either.
[00:50:13]  I mean, I'm sorry.
[00:50:14]  Like, they'll elevate anybody.
[00:50:15]  It's just all images on a screen for them.
[00:50:18]  You know, I mean, they thought they could make him into a saint.
[00:50:21]  And so putting his wife there, you know, is like his kind of like stand-in, you know, it all makes sense, I guess, strategically.
[00:50:28]  But let me guess, Candace, is she an agent?
[00:50:31]  Are the agents with us in the room?
[00:50:33]  Now, some of the accusations that Erica Kirk is being deceptive, I would argue, are pretty petty.
[00:50:39]  For example, Owens took issue with a New York Times profile of Erica Kirk, in which Erica said that the prospect of raising her three-year-old daughter and one-year-old son was actually the least traumatizing thing for her because Erica herself had been raised by her mother after her parents divorced when she was young.
[00:50:56]  Now, Candace accuses Erica of falsely claiming that she was raised by a single mother when in fact her father was actually present as a stay-at-home dad when she was around four.
[00:51:06]  Stay-at-home dad for a couple of years.
[00:51:08]  She remembers it.
[00:51:09]  So I would assume started at four for a couple of years.
[00:51:12]  People don't typically remember being one and two.
[00:51:15]  And now he wasn't in her life.
[00:51:17]  Now, to be clear, Erica was 10 years old when her parents divorced in 1998.
[00:51:23]  So her father was very much a part of her early childhood.
[00:51:26]  And he did not stop being involved in her teenage years either.
[00:51:30]  Obviously, to say that you were raised by your mother after the divorce doesn't imply that your father was entirely absent.
[00:51:36]  Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.
[00:51:38]  That is very petty.

=== Charter School Secrets and Money (16:20) ===

[00:51:39]  In another instance, Candace points out that a newspaper birth announcement lists Erica's birthday as November 20th, 1988.
[00:51:46]  But her parents' divorce filing tells a different story.
[00:51:50]  Point is, we learned from this newspaper clipping that Erica was born on November 20th, and she maintains that birthday today.
[00:51:55]  But oddly, that would be news to her parents.
[00:51:57]  Kent and Lori, for whatever reason, think that Erica was born two days later on November 22nd.
[00:52:03]  We know this because of their divorce filings, which took place in 1998.
[00:52:08]  It goes all the way up to the top on this one.
[00:52:11]  Why are they lying?
[00:52:12]  Yeah, there's like one document that has a different date.
[00:52:15]  I think could be possibly explained by some sort of clerical error.
[00:52:19]  But it's like, even if it was true, what was the point of saying that you're two days younger than you actually are?
[00:52:25]  What exactly is the point she's making?
[00:52:26]  Is she going to transvestigate her?
[00:52:28]  That would be cool.
[00:52:29]  I mean, that would be funnier because the implication is that like Charlie Kirk was like a chaser.
[00:52:35]  Oh my God.
[00:52:35]  By the way, this video has over 5 million views on YouTube.
[00:52:38]  Yeah, there's so many people who are batching.
[00:52:40]  It's really just such a good.
[00:52:42]  I don't even want to say Griff because Candace believes it.
[00:52:44]  Like on one of those video streams that I was watching, she starts it with like, I think about the Mandela effect.
[00:52:50]  And it was like one example of a logo that feels different.
[00:52:52]  And she's like, everyone in the chat is saying true.
[00:52:54]  It's like, you guys are my people.
[00:52:55]  And it's like, yeah, I mean, it is just very like-minded.
[00:52:58]  She's the insane person that happened to get a platform in this way.
[00:53:02]  Yeah, I know a lot of people who are, you know, smart and they still enjoy Candace Owens' content because it is, you know, kind of unhinged.
[00:53:09]  I mean, it's way more interesting than the average right-wing talking points and blather.
[00:53:14]  Now, in the second episode of the series, she gets into like some really good shit.
[00:53:18]  So her primary interest in this one is in Erica's father's first wife, a woman by the name of Dr. Jerry Fransvy.
[00:53:27]  Now, you might say, let's say like kind of a tenuous connection to Erica herself.
[00:53:30]  What exactly is irrelevance?
[00:53:31]  Well, it's relevant, Candace says, because Jerry Fransvy herself connects to a name that should be familiar with listeners to the cursed media miniseries Science and Transition.
[00:53:41]  Dr. John Money.
[00:53:42]  CursedMedia.net.
[00:53:44]  Go sign up.
[00:53:45]  So this was the man who opened the first gender clinic in the United States.
[00:53:49]  Dr. Jerry Francfey herself, by the way, was friends and colleagues with Dr. John Money, the notorious psychologist who was one of the fathers of transgenderism, who then it turned out notoriously abused children.
[00:54:04]  It goes right to the top, surgery.
[00:54:11]  But it gets worse, according to Candace, because Erica Kirk attended a school called Tesseract in Paradise Valley, Arizona.
[00:54:18]  And according to Candace, Dr. Jerry Fransvy was somehow involved in charter schools.
[00:54:23]  All these people are just like a weird combo of like new age California style woo and you know just awful right-wing garbage.
[00:54:32]  Like they're Protestant, but they are all like so strange.
[00:54:36]  But the reason that I wanted to give you the background of Jerry Franzvay is because after this, heading into the 90s, the next thing she does in life is she gets involved with charter schools.
[00:54:48]  She gets into the charter school business, particularly helping them to develop psychological methods with students.
[00:54:54]  Yeah, you know where this is going.
[00:54:56]  Dr. Jerry Fransve is going to be the person that helps develop the Tesseract Way.
[00:55:02]  Tesseract schools.
[00:55:04]  The school that Erica went to that is exceedingly problematic.
[00:55:10]  Is that supposed to be like the fact that she went to it is supposed to be evidence that it's sinister, I guess?
[00:55:14]  Yeah, absolutely unhinged.
[00:55:16]  Yeah, I mean, it is just like kind of a you would expect someone to make a parody of these conspiracy engines and just literally say these things.
[00:55:24]  It's like such an absurd, 10, you know, tangential, unrelated connection to most of Erica Kirk's life.
[00:55:30]  Yeah.
[00:55:30]  So I looked into this, and there was a, there's an organization called the Tesseract Group that did operate multiple charter schools.
[00:55:38]  But the one that Erica allegedly attended in Paradise Valley was not one of them.
[00:55:42]  It was actually a private school.
[00:55:43]  So it's not even, it's not even a real connection.
[00:55:45]  Like yeah, charter schools.
[00:55:47]  He's like, she went to a school that was run by an organization that also operated charter schools.
[00:55:54]  And charter schools, she doesn't like charter schools.
[00:55:56]  Yeah, she thinks there's something.
[00:55:58]  Well, you know, it's interesting always talking about like the like the X-Man school.
[00:56:01]  She's very fixated with like what kind of like upbringing, there's this idea that like there's some sort of government force that like knows who you are from a very young age and then filters you into the right school for whatever reason to, I guess, harness your powers or whatever.
[00:56:14]  This is a broken clock thing because charter schools are very bad.
[00:56:18]  Yeah, no, absolutely.
[00:56:19]  I was surprised because like the right loves charter schools, don't they?
[00:56:22]  Yeah, I mean, people who like to make money love it and people who oppose any kind of like public school system and want to take you know all the science out.
[00:56:30]  Yeah, they do love them.
[00:56:31]  Yeah, public schools are woke.
[00:56:32]  So it's like if you homeschool your kid or put them in these private, like non-woke schools, it's better.
[00:56:38]  So if you're following the thread here, Erica Kirk ties to her father, who ties to his first wife, Dr. Jerry Fransvi, who, according to Owens and no other source that I could find, was involved in charter schools to some extent.
[00:56:50]  And Erica Kirk attended a private school that was operated by an organization that also ran some charter schools.
[00:56:56]  I can just see Charlie Day.
[00:56:58]  I think it's crazy like watching her work because it goes on like this.
[00:57:03]  And I keep waiting for her to get to the point and it just never comes.
[00:57:08]  Candace says that while Dr. Jerry Fransvi claims that she went to Eastern Europe to do research on gender issues after the fall of the Berlin Wall, Candace doesn't buy it.
[00:57:17]  But she doesn't offer like any alternative theory.
[00:57:20]  She builds on these ideas to start free associating connections to the military and Freemasons.
[00:57:25]  Brantfey, I will state this unequivocally.
[00:57:27]  I don't think Dr. Jerry Fransve, who is a verifiable fraud, was there in Eastern Europe researching gender issues.
[00:57:35]  May she rest in peace, but that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
[00:57:39]  I should also mention that Tesseract had a principal, she would actually climb a ladder at Tesseract while Erica was a student who had very strong military ties.
[00:57:48]  A woman named Nancy Gerard, a Nancy Gerard Hall, she will become.
[00:57:52]  Nancy was a military brat.
[00:57:54]  Her father was Colonel Paul Tracy Gerard, who was a member of the Scottish Right.
[00:57:59]  A lot of that going on.
[00:58:00]  A lot of Freemasonry going on at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, out in Kansas.
[00:58:05]  He was a part of the Blue Lodge, Blue Masonic Lodge in Galesburg, Illinois, as well.
[00:58:11]  He was also the chief military law enforcement officer at the 7th Army in Europe.
[00:58:17]  That's in Germany, Stuttgart, Germany, in the 1950s.
[00:58:21]  It must be so cool to do research for Candace because you can just absolutely string together a bunch of turds and just hand them to her like it's a pearl necklace.
[00:58:31]  Yeah.
[00:58:31]  So you're the father of the principal of the school that Erica attended was a Freemason.
[00:58:39]  And what is the relevance of this?
[00:58:41]  What should we conclude?
[00:58:42]  She doesn't get to that point.
[00:58:44]  She just makes these connections and then like moves on.
[00:58:47]  Now, I don't really want to like belabor this point.
[00:58:50]  I don't want to like keep like specifically debunking all of these specific claims because I feel like that's kind of beside the point.
[00:58:57]  She's like, she's, yo, it's like, it's like jazz.
[00:59:00]  She's just connecting things over and over again.
[00:59:02]  It doesn't come to anything.
[00:59:03]  It doesn't come to a point.
[00:59:04]  It's almost like the experience of the connections is more relevant than any sort of like specific claim that she's trying to make.
[00:59:12]  It's like an emotional argument.
[00:59:14]  It's trying to make the viewer feel like there appears to be something here.
[00:59:17]  Like, I trust Candace and she's looking into it.
[00:59:19]  And like, look at there are all these connections.
[00:59:21]  So like some of them might be bogus, but like, you know, I don't know.
[00:59:24]  So it's weird that there's the Freemason related to her.
[00:59:27]  And, you know, like she, Erica Kirk is like in Trump world, right?
[00:59:30]  So like, I'm sure there is like some weird, very strange connections of like, oh, her dad's mom's stepfather was in the CIA or the OAS, you know, like that wouldn't be a surprise to me.
[00:59:42]  Yeah, it's like you could literally do that with like everyone.
[00:59:45]  I don't, I have no idea who the father of the uh principal of the school I went to.
[00:59:52]  Maybe, maybe they had some really suspicious connections, but it has nothing to do with me.
[00:59:56]  My family in Serbia, part of them were in the black hand organization that killed Franz Ferdinand, like the Serbian nationalist group.
[01:00:03]  Oh, so you can make something there.
[01:00:06]  I'm sure they were vaguely Masonic.
[01:00:08]  But it's crazy is that like her fans eat this shit up.
[01:00:12]  Like here was a top comment from one of her videos.
[01:00:15]  Can you name anyone else in the world today who has the abilities Candace has at her disposal?
[01:00:20]  Yes, I'm putting together an insanely complex puzzle from different timelines and clues with a very small team.
[01:00:29]  At the same time, we, her followers, have formed a global support network for the truth.
[01:00:34]  Are you sure you didn't find these Patreon comments about me?
[01:00:38]  That kind of combination cannot be crushed by any amount of money, pressure, or intimidation.
[01:00:42]  We bring the truth to light, and Candace has our 100% support fist emoji.
[01:00:48]  This is incredible because Liz Krokin has kind of started jumping on the back of this.
[01:00:53]  I mean, it's very easy to say that all this stuff is extremely QAnonic.
[01:00:58]  It's true.
[01:00:58]  But Liz is not satisfied.
[01:01:00]  Here's her March 14th tweet.
[01:01:02]  Erica Kirk is involved in the rape, torture, and trafficking of children.
[01:01:06]  I came to that conclusion based off my own research and before Candace O started exposing this.
[01:01:12]  Honestly, yeah, like Liz must be so mad because Candace is just stealing her entire flow and just making an insane fucking amount of money on it.
[01:01:19]  Like, I don't even know how does Liz Krokin make money.
[01:01:21]  I'm sure she's not doing especially well.
[01:01:23]  Like, she's really.
[01:01:24]  I mean, that's 20K on this one and 4.2K retweets.
[01:01:28]  I mean, she's probably making some money off of that.
[01:01:29]  Making something, but not Candace Owens' money.
[01:01:32]  And she really was the original.
[01:01:34]  Like, she used to be a gossip columnist.
[01:01:36]  Like, she, she does the gossip shit.
[01:01:38]  And she's like, she was a QAnon ground one, day one.
[01:01:41]  She was doing QAnon stuff when Candace Owens was writing about how Trump has a tiny dick and she hates the Republican Party.
[01:01:46]  Like, you must be fucking mad about it.
[01:01:48]  Like, none of these people, you know, I built this the ground up and I don't get any of the, don't reap any of the rewards.
[01:01:54]  She continues.
[01:01:55]  So everyone who is trying to get me to cover up for this can go fuck off.
[01:01:59]  I don't care who you are or what you claim to represent.
[01:02:01]  If you are involved in the rape, torture, and trafficking of children, I will expose you.
[01:02:05]  It's really that simple.
[01:02:07]  She continues on the same day.
[01:02:09]  I will not allow the MAGA movement turn into, but, oh, she's a grieving widow.
[01:02:14]  So we will ignore the rape, torture, and trafficking of Jeffrey Epstein's ring.
[01:02:17]  Fucking never on my watch.
[01:02:19]  So she's going to get to Epstein, I guess.
[01:02:21]  Kirk, I don't, I don't know yet.
[01:02:23]  Yeah.
[01:02:23]  She continues to go off.
[01:02:26]  Anyone that thinks calling out Erica Kirk for being involved in sex trafficking children is more controversial than her actually being a part of sex trafficking children is actually the demonic one.
[01:02:36]  The fact I actually have to say this is, and I apologize here, retardedly mind-blowing.
[01:02:41]  It's insane.
[01:02:42]  And then she's posting Pizzagate stuff.
[01:02:44]  Erica Kirk is clearly involved and you get, you get the point.
[01:02:48]  Yeah.
[01:02:49]  But it's interesting, though, because like this is a bit of a sacred cow among the, like, that's one of the reasons, as I think you point out, Travis, why Candace can do this is like, well, most of the pundits want to be invited around the TPUSA circle.
[01:03:01]  It's true.
[01:03:02]  Like, she is quite comfortable never being invited to, you know, conservative media galas ever again.
[01:03:09]  She's able to like wander alone with her own wild claims.
[01:03:12]  And that gives her a certain amount of freedom and who she targets.
[01:03:15]  Now, I think it was really interesting is like the kind of like outrage that a lot of her fellow travelers in conservative media are reacting with.
[01:03:25]  For example, there's Dinish D'Souza, who is himself a lunatic.
[01:03:29]  Remember, he promoted the film 2000 Mules.
[01:03:32]  He was in that.
[01:03:33]  He produced it.
[01:03:34]  And it was like, it has this wild conspiracy theory about election fraud in Georgia that forced the company that distributed it, which is Salem Medium Group, to issue an apology and stop distributing.
[01:03:44]  So he is definitely a conspiracist who is very familiar with pushing batshit claims.
[01:03:49]  But for some reason, when it comes to Candace Owens, he thinks that she goes too far.
[01:03:54]  It is a little hard to believe that you have rational people who listen to one of Candace's, quote, investigations.
[01:04:01]  These are not investigations.
[01:04:03]  They're just wild allegations, sort of leading questions, bogus investigations that never produce a single fact, a single reliable theory that you can work with.
[01:04:14]  They never reach any conclusion.
[01:04:16]  And the moment they run out of gas, a new incendiary accusation comes in its place.
[01:04:22]  I mean, you just described your career, Dennis.
[01:04:25]  And you're talking to Laura Loomer.
[01:04:27]  Yeah.
[01:04:27]  I do love, by the way, Laura Loomer is really just working her side profile.
[01:04:31]  That's clearly her best angle by far.
[01:04:33]  And it's like such an awkward angle of her to be like recording a show on.
[01:04:37]  Yeah.
[01:04:38]  Very strange.
[01:04:39]  Yeah.
[01:04:39]  It's the taboo.
[01:04:40]  It's like you don't, it's one of ours.
[01:04:42]  You don't do that.
[01:04:42]  But it's like almost like, yeah, it's like, why, why these tactics are pernicious and don't actually help guide you towards a better understanding of reality only becomes clear to them when it's targeted towards one of their friends.
[01:04:55]  You know, even Alex Jones compared Candace Owens to QAnon unfavorably.
[01:05:00]  Oh, boy.
[01:05:01]  Jones and QAnon have not had a good history.
[01:05:03]  And Jones lamented how many of her claims can be quickly disproven.
[01:05:07]  I'll just say it.
[01:05:08]  Candace Owens is the new queen of black-pilled Q.
[01:05:13]  It was white-pilled, insane Q that thought everything was fine and get your popcorn.
[01:05:18]  And now the dark Q has risen.
[01:05:22]  I don't say that because she's black.
[01:05:24]  It's like Funda's because Jones is more hardcore now.
[01:05:26]  He's, you know, he's dark Jones.
[01:05:29]  Dark Knight.
[01:05:30]  Dark, you know, Dark Spider-Man.
[01:05:32]  No, it's literally Dark Q.
[01:05:34]  I dub her the queen of Dark Q, the Empress of Dark Q. You got the QAnon, you got the, you know, blue and on, you got, you now have Candace on.
[01:05:44]  And I'm just like, wow, Egyptian planes.
[01:05:46]  Let me go look into it.
[01:05:47]  Bunch of bull.
[01:05:48]  Okay.
[01:05:49]  Fort Wachuka, you know, mass assassination operation planning.
[01:05:54]  Go look into it.
[01:05:55]  Easily verifiable horseshit.
[01:05:57]  And I'm supposed to then go, well, what she's doing is popular.
[01:06:01]  So I love her, her ring race, her acolytes, her camp followers, her Praetorian guard.
[01:06:07]  They all came out and said, Jones can't read a room.
[01:06:10]  I mean, look, he's getting ratioed by people that are saying he's full of crap and covering stuff up.
[01:06:16]  He works for Israel.
[01:06:20]  Yeah, Lagos halfway around the world for the truth, puts his pants on, but the truth wins in the end.
[01:06:24]  It's, I'll be right as always.
[01:06:26]  You'll be wrong as always.
[01:06:28]  So good.
[01:06:29]  No one does it like him.
[01:06:30]  Goblin.
[01:06:31]  No one does it like him.
[01:06:31]  Goblin behavior.
[01:06:32]  Watching so much Candace Owens and then going back to like a real fucking entertainer.
[01:06:37]  No.
[01:06:37]  It's like whiplash.
[01:06:38]  It's like, why are they selecting Candace Owens?
[01:06:40]  Yes, Alex Jones is, of course, rhetorically gifted.
[01:06:43]  So it is startling to compare him against everyone else we've been watching today.
[01:06:47]  He's running this like AI video of her sitting at a desk in an Empress outfit with a mug that is like shooting electricity upwards towards a big cue.
[01:06:58]  I mean, just truly, we are in a great place.
[01:07:02]  Content is just better than ever.
[01:07:03]  And I thought InfoWars was done.
[01:07:05]  I don't understand that either.
[01:07:07]  Nothing ever dies.
[01:07:08]  Nothing ever dies.
[01:07:09]  These worms in the soil.
[01:07:12]  The Bride of Charlie series is also causing problems at the Daily Wire, which once employed Candace Owens.
[01:07:17]  Daily Wire founder Ben Shapiro and host Michael Knowles got into an argument about whether people should condemn Candace Owens directly.
[01:07:26]  So if Candace Owens decides to slander the widow of Charlie Kirk, I think that people have a moral duty to say that this is a bad thing, even if they are quote-unquote friends with those people.
[01:07:34]  But let's take that further.
[01:07:36]  So obviously one should state one's view and say, you know, Erica's great and the attacks on her are not right.
[01:07:41]  Well, Michael, I'll just ask you straight up.
[01:07:43]  Is Candace Owens doing something evil by attacking Erica Kirk?
[01:07:46]  I think that it's wrong to attack Erica Kirk.
[01:07:48]  Well, no, say the sentence with her name.
[01:07:51]  I'm not going to dance.
[01:07:53]  I know you're off it for the podcast.
[01:07:55]  You don't have to dance like a podcast, but you think it's dancing pretty quickly.
[01:07:58]  I mean, there's a lot of tap dancing here.

=== Exposed Wrinkles in Conspiracist Politics (02:32) ===

[01:07:59]  I don't know.
[01:07:59]  I don't think there's any tap dancing.
[01:08:00]  Even if you aren't interested in it, even if you aren't interested in the podcast, people who are leading the invective against Candace are her biggest publicists.
[01:08:08]  Learn to not speak over each other.
[01:08:11]  You're all terrible at this.
[01:08:13]  It's like, this is just, I don't know.
[01:08:15]  I feel like this whole thing kind of like exposed how like, I guess this whole, you know, the conspiracist conservative media ecosystem works is that like it really is based upon focused on like targets.
[01:08:28]  The moment someone does everything that Daily Wire taught Candace Owens how to do, everything that TPUSA taught Candace Owens what to do, and then all these tactics and the suspicion and this paranoia is directed at someone they like, all of a sudden it is an explosive controversy.
[01:08:44]  I also would argue that like Candace Owens is kind of like a conspiracist innovator because she's not doing like old-fashioned conspiracy theories and laying out like a argument about a hidden plot with a particular cabal, a clear mechanism, a falsifiable thesis.
[01:08:59]  She starts with the conclusion that the target is deceptive.
[01:09:03]  Like maybe they are.
[01:09:04]  Everyone's like, you know, deceptive.
[01:09:05]  Everyone covers up something about their own life in some extent.
[01:09:08]  Yeah, especially when you've turned your attention to the right.
[01:09:11]  Like it's yeah, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.
[01:09:14]  Then she feeds her audience what she calls wrinkles.
[01:09:16]  There's like a strange date, a missing record, a school name that's suspicious, a family connection, an odd phrase, an unnamed insider that's giving her information.
[01:09:26]  So none of these elements have to like prove any particular case.
[01:09:30]  I don't even know what her theory is when it comes to Eric Kirk.
[01:09:33]  I don't even know what exactly her story is.
[01:09:35]  It's just their function of all these little wrinkles, all these little oddities is cumulative and aesthetic.
[01:09:41]  They create a feeling that the official story is rotten.
[01:09:45]  And like that's that's enough for Candace Owens.
[01:09:47]  Just this feeling that like that whatever is being said about some big name like Erica Kirk is wrong in some particular way, even if no alternative theory is presented.
[01:09:57]  It's just a gossip column, basically.
[01:09:59]  She's just gossiping and with the kind of force of conspiracy theories because that's just like the ever-present mode of thinking in a current social consciousness.
[01:10:09]  People want to know more about other people.
[01:10:10]  They want to feel like other people are being exposed.
[01:10:13]  And like to convince people that that's political.
[01:10:15]  Like with Hue and Onward, they convinced people that like all the baking process is actually political.
[01:10:20]  You're helping Trump works really well.
[01:10:22]  They're like, well, I can gossip and it's actually doing politics.
[01:10:24]  I'm actually uncovering the truth about things.
[01:10:26]  I'm looking into Erica Kirk's trauma when she was a teenager or something.
[01:10:29]  It's like actually doing politics.

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[01:11:44]  But here's my bone to pick with Matt Walsh.
[01:11:46]  We have a long running beef on the topic of NASA and moon landings because he thinks they happened.
[01:11:52]  And listen, when the guys did it, it was, it was fake and gay.
[01:11:55]  I'm sorry, Matt.
[01:11:55]  And it's time for you to admit it.
[01:11:56]  It was just as bad.
[01:11:57]  You just weren't alive for it, okay?
[01:11:59]  Homies were on the moon making phone calls before the time of cell phones like, hey, what's up, Prez?
[01:12:06]  It's me on the moon with a flag.
[01:12:08]  No issues.
[01:12:09]  First time we've ever flown this thing.
[01:12:10]  Yeah, I don't know.
[01:12:11]  We just, we just got through the belt pretty easily.
[01:12:14]  And until Matt Walsh accepts that the mission in 69 was also fake and gay, I don't care.
[01:12:21]  I can't defend you.
[01:12:22]  Even if I fully agree with you about Gail King, I won't.
[01:12:25]  I literally cannot defend you.
[01:12:26]  Okay, you must come to terms with the fact that NASA and space missions have always been this fake and gay.
[01:12:32]  You just weren't alive for the original ones.
[01:12:35]  And you need to learn the history of NASA, of the Apollo programs, which were occult and satanic.
[01:12:42]  It was literally meant to be an antichrist movement to make people believe In man