Liv is back this week with the latest update in looksmaxxing content, specifically, the rise of Clavicular - a 20 year old self help influencer that has become a prominent figure in the world of the far right manosophere as well as on the looksmaxxing forums themselves. Join Jake and Julian as Liv defines words like “framemogging” and “jestergooning” before diving into the events that gave Clavicular his sudden rise to internet stardom.
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That's good.
That's good.
That is how TV stings open.
Breaking news, everyone.
Breaking news.
Hot off the press.
Clavicular ran into a frat leader at ASU and got brutally frame mocked by him.
Sources are even saying that Clavicular was mid-jester gooning when a group of Foids came and spiked his cortisol levels.
Is ignoring the Foids while munting and mogging moids more useful than SMV Chad Fishing in the club?
Keep listening to find out.
This sounds like dialogue from like a LucasArts point and click adventure.
You know what I mean?
It's actually bordering on Clockwork Orange like level of made-up.
Yeah, like words.
Totally.
I said this later, but like it really is camp at a certain point.
It becomes performance art.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, what else is gesture maxing but performance art?
Yes, folks, we are doing a clavicular episode.
I feel like it was long overdue to do another looks maxing thing.
I did one two or so years ago, but the memes and the culture have gotten so big.
They've hit really critical mass to the point that like all of my younger Gen Z relatives know who this is and what's going on here.
It's just completely ubiquitous.
It's a disaster.
Yeah.
When you first told us about bone smashing and looks maxing and stuff like that and mewing, I was like, well, that's cool that that was kind of a flash in the pan.
That never took.
And then fast forward, and it's like this 20-year-old and his entire crew have somehow made this the main cultural conversation, which makes sense.
Like, again, if you're circling the drain, like at this point, we're at the hair clog.
Like we're down in the tube already.
We're at like the first of several absolute rat king style hair clogs.
Yeah, this is where this is where we've reached the point where Green Gobbler can no longer help you.
There's nothing he can pour into this drain.
Yeah, you could pour like several of those bottles of highly toxic chemicals, and it would never, never touch a single hair on this one.
For the rest of your life, you're going to be standing in a quarter inch of lukewarm water in your own filth.
Yeah.
If your age is closer to Jake or Julian than it is to me, you may be wondering what a clavicular even is.
What's an and Foid?
How does one even gestigoon to begin with?
And these are great questions.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Foid is interesting.
The only thing I can think of is the Domino's Pizza.
Oh, you don't even know what Foid is.
This is going to be a really good episode.
Jake does not know anything about this.
I have poisoned myself in preparation and was already a little bit curious.
And Liv clearly, you know, is driving the show.
She was born in it.
Yeah.
She was born in it.
All I got to say is this.
I pulled up a video, one video of Clavicular and showed it to my partner to be like, you know, have you seen this guy?
Do you know about Clavicular?
And she looked at me like, why are you watching that?
Like, she looked at me seriously disturbed, like maybe a bigger conversation needed to be had.
She was like, no, I don't know anything about this guy, but why are you watching?
Why are you watching these videos?
And I was like, oh, well, it's for work.
Like, I felt guilty all of a sudden.
You and many, many parents across the land are having this exact experience, you know, just being like, wait, this is really what you're watching?
I mean, Liv kind of has the top of the cheekbone here.
I can see it's a bit reddish.
And it seems.
Are you like starting with plushies or what level of, you know, bone crushing are you at?
Because I can see it.
Yeah, I can see it is definitely shaping up.
It's shaping up.
Yeah, let's just say I'm in the pipeline.
Let's put it that.
It has been said that all of Gen Z slang is invented by black people, gay people, and far-right incels.
And wouldn't you know, all of the terms we'll be discussing today originate from the lattermost group.
Damn.
Yeah, isn't that crazy, the QA podcast talking about far-right incels?
Well, we should focus on the two first ones.
They seem way more interesting.
It seems more likely.
We should be discussing like mother and shit like that.
What are we doing here?
We should be discussing cunt quakes.
I don't know any of this.
That would be much more fun.
Yeah.
Teach Jake what mothering is.
What is it?
Yeah, get Jake to take a shit on the mother toilet.
Exactly.
Don't worry about it, Jake.
Don't worry about it.
Don't worry about it.
For another episode.
That's okay.
There's not going to be any overlap, so don't worry.
But more specifically, we'll be talking about an incel-adjacent form turned to internet subculture called LuxMaxing, which has polluted the minds of many a young Zoomer into the belief that all success in life is driven by one's proximity to conventional beauty.
The influence of this chud-coded internet subculture has appeared to peak alongside its most well-known and thoroughly made fun of influencer, a 20-year-old self-help guy named Clavicular, who's risen to internet stardom by making the rounds on various Manosphere far-right adjacent podcasts and internet shows as an ambassador of the looks maxing ideology.
Yeah, don't they have him on like fresh and fit, surrounded by what they call OF demons?
Yes, yeah.
That classic, the podcast where it's all of the OnlyFans girls just being like berated by right-wing chuds.
Yeah, they put him at the center and he lectures them.
Surprisingly symbiotic relationship because all those girls get like a shit ton of money from it.
But he's like, oh, your, you know, mid-face ratio is like 0.8, which is suboptimal, which means that you're ugly.
You're actually a four out of 10.
It's just talking to you like the most beautiful woman you've ever seen.
Yeah.
He's talking to the most beautiful woman you ever see, telling her that her maxilla is recessed.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
And he's named after a bone.
Yes, the clavicle.
But it's mostly, it has to do with his shoulder width.
That's his big claim to fame.
Shoulder width.
He's looking real top-heavy.
Is clavicular, is that a made-up word, or could I find that in Webster's?
I mean, it could be the adjective of a clavicular.
I think it is the adjective of clavicle, yeah.
Oh.
Like, oh, I have clavicular pain.
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so.
It reminds me, you know what it kind of sounds like?
It sounds like banicula, you know?
It sounds like funicular.
You guys know banicula?
Celery stalks at midnight?
No, but I do like word association, so go ahead.
So vampire rabbit.
Series of successful children's strokes.
Banicula, you guys don't know?
Jake is going to immediately go into a fugue state and try to like just associate himself out of every paragraph.
Yeah, yeah.
I am swishing.
I am swishing back and forth.
I'm trying to escape from this episode before we've even started.
I would prefer not to be here.
Yeah.
Sorry.
Sorry, Jake.
Get in the cage.
I'm here.
I'm ready.
But while I'll get to what LuxMaxy even is in a minute, it might help to get a quick sample of some of the memes that have accompanied Clavicular's meteoric rise in the past few months.
They mainly come from a February 5th Clavicular live stream on the website Kick.
In this stream, Clavicular is visiting Arizona State University in what people call an IRL stream, where content is generated by the streamer interacting with people in public places, oftentimes in an environment that's completely uncontrolled by the streamer.
Yeah, so you have the camera guy and they have the little lights and they're in the middle of the party.
And usually he's being insanely rude or trying to get a girl to do the Roman or like the Roman salute.
Yeah, yeah.
Or say the N-word, of course.
That's another classic.
Yeah, just saying controversial stuff.
There's one stream I saw where like he was getting kicked out of a place because he refused to stop saying the n-word.
Then some guy like is like about to beat him up and then he's like, oh, you know, he runs away.
He's being antisocial and has an environment to encourage it, basically, which is really all kick streams.
If you need a summary, yeah, it is, it is interesting because it's definitely a culture that's that's new.
The whole like kick offshoot.
There's just truly no end to the depravity, whether it's you know gambling or self-harm.
I mean, this is like if Twitch took a little page from the book of that insane, you know, crypto coin website where people could stream themselves doing horrible things to themselves, you know, to increase the value of their meme coin.
Pump.fun, yeah.
Yeah.
It really is everything just melting together, but it's especially like all of the worst vices of our time, you know, just like human trafficking, hard drug use, gambling.
Like it is truly like the seven sins, like getting together and founding a platform.
Really cool.
Yeah.
At one point in the stream, Clavicular enters a frat party and a very ripped frat bro in a muscle shirt, whose name is Veris asks him for a photo.
It's like Varys has joined your party.
May I have please, sir?
May I have some clout?
The most fucked up thing Veris has done since killing Kevin Lannister.
Well, a normal person might react to these two posing for a photo by saying, wow, look at these two handsome young men.
That is not the Looks Maxer way.
And Clavicular's live stream was immediately filled with chatters posting a single word that perfectly describes the attitude they take towards all human social relations.
Mogged.
I posted a screenshot here for the boys of just mogged in all caps from literally everyone just immediately.
Yeah.
Holy height mogged.
Mogged.
Mogged mug mogged.
Mogged.
Mogg mogged.
And this is how it starts.
Because at first, of course, you're going to have an orbit mog.
And before you know it, you've got a guy chad fishing, he's frame mogging, and then a clipper just determines it.
He just writes that headline.
And then from then on, everyone's reacting to the headline of that one clipper.
And it's good.
It's good.
It's a good ecosystem.
And part of it is in Pakistan.
Hold on.
It's a giant bank full of phones strapped to like a phone.
Hold on, I'm opening my Duolingo.
I'm opening my Duolingo app really quick.
Okay, I understood most of that.
What do you, what's a clipper?
Is that somebody who clips the scene and then sort of frames it as what happened within their clip?
Liv, is this about correct?
I think that's about right.
We'll go through it in a second, but that is there.
There are professional clippers who get little clips to get the most viral.
And on X the Everything app, they actually make money off of it.
So they have an incentive to try to engage in it, which is good for culture, I think.
So they don't like Clavicular.
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So he's kind of like a villain, and you watch his content to like hope that somebody's like better looking than him or knows how to hold their like face muscles in a way that's more attractive than him.
Am I sort of in the it's it's kind of a spectrum of cruelty here where it's like some people might really look up to him and be like, oh, but but like it's on a spectrum from that to someone who's just like, I hate this guy and I'm going to be trolling him and I wish wish bad for him, which is really like the internet subculture of looks maxing where it comes from is really, it's just like, it's like kind of Pepe form cruelty,
pepe in self-form cruelty and giving other people body dysmorphia by critiquing them when, you know, there's nothing especially wrong with their looks.
I'm not sure I would have survived this era if I was this age group now.
Yeah, it's really bad.
Like, I had a tough time with no internet, no nothing.
Just the idea that I had a feeling, I had a feeling that there were some people at school that didn't like me or were making fun of me behind my back or subtly to my face.
You know, it was something that I would think about at home, you know, or during school, but it was nothing that I could see like clipped, posted, and sort of headlined anywhere else, you know?
Yeah.
It does strike me as a kind of physical performance of the kind of detachment that the chans kind of created, I suppose, like that feeling of total anonymity.
Oh, and then being able to be cruel to someone with absolutely no kind of guardrails over what you say and no repercussions over what you say either.
And so here, the question is, like, can this process of streaming, having a guy with a backpack and a camera following me everywhere, being mic'd up, all this stuff, can it create enough distance so that even despite the fact that I am standing in front of the person, I can still treat them like I would treat another chatter on the chance.
So just like that, like you said, just a theater of like, of cruelty.
Can he say that?
But basically, just transposing years of like what the chans have already been puking up onto a real life setting, like watching a person react or watching a person kind of, you know, draw closer or run away, as very many times happens with him.
I don't know.
It's very fucking weird.
I think it's like an attempt.
It's the first piercing of that veil of like, oh, you're behind your keyboard, your keyboard worries.
It's like not anymore as much.
I mean, or at least like there's an attempt at bridging that gap and being like, well, no, this can actually apply to real life.
You know, for people who are online poisoned and very much lost in these like hallways, it must feel pretty good to feel like your culture is finally physically spilling out.
You have video evidence of it.
You get to see people react.
So he's kind of an avatar of your cruelty.
If you had the balls to sacrifice yourself on the pyre of visibility, which is what he's doing, then I think you become a kind of hero for all these people who wish they could treat people the way that they treat people on the chance.
But in real life, their frustrations against their family and friends and any potential partner who spurned them.
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It's very much so a Trump 2 microcosm where it's like, well, you're allowed to say that because Woke is gone now, which is starting to be less the case, but it's still certainly been the case for Clavicular.
I mean, Taylor Renz has a good video on Clavicular where she talks more about like he was in this like TikTok influencer circle that was like pretty big, like the cookie verse with this guy named Cookie King at the center.
He's like, he's got three million views on TikTok.
And like they're kind of like, not politically correct, but they're like kind of safer.
And there was some controversy because it's like, hey, your friend Clavicular won't stop saying the N-word.
And they were like, oh, yeah, we're sad about that.
And then they distanced themselves for a week.
And then they just went back to being hanging out with him.
And like, no one cares.
No one cares.
Well, it's because, yeah, the cloud is going to is going to eat all.
I think everyone's kind of correct in that we won't remember this moment.
We won't remember recording this episode.
If you ask any of us in a few years who Clavicular is, we'll be like, what?
And so I think they have correctly ascertained that the darkness is eating us faster than ever.
It's eating history.
It's eating personality.
It's eating moment.
It's eating emotion.
It's like everything is being swallowed up into this dark void so quickly.
And I think they have figured that out.
They are kind of priests of like a new generation in a strange way in that they know who and what to worship.
What is a shibboleth and what is an actual like piece of iconography to worship?
Mog, originally from the acronym alpha male of the group or AMOG, was shortened a letter and made into a verb.
Coming to stand in, for instance, where one member of a gender is more physically attractive than another.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
I don't want to be rude here, but like there was that woman who was like, oh, I just butt-mogged these Zoomers.
Oh, I love that.
That also came from AMOG.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
That's Mog is a pretty old term in terms of internet linguist.
Originally still did come from that alpha male of the group.
Wow.
Yeah, which is, I think, I think it's mainly bodybuilding forums from like more than a decade ago.
So it's been on like kind of chan lingo, chan incel lingo for like quite a while.
It's only really broken into the mainstream in the last couple years.
So yeah, the butt butt mogg the Zoomers girl, the lady, was she was just, you know, in the kind of incel adjacent, right-wing-coated culture.
Right.
Luxmaxers like Clavicular are obsessed with mogging.
Every social interaction with a member of the same sex is necessarily a competition.
There is always, objectively speaking, a victor.
The goal in life is to mog as many people as possible and to ensure that you are never mogged by others.
It is a mog-eat-mog world.
Yet there are many different ways that one can mog another.
You can add a prefix of your choosing to the term in order to specify exactly how one individual is physically superior.
In the case of Clavicular and the ASU frat boy, there was a serious case of frame mogging, where Clav's frame was noticeably smaller than the man beside him.
Ironically, frame mogging is closer to the original usage of the term mogging by bodybuilder forums, who were first and foremost focused on the male physique and getting as big as humanly possible.
But looks maxers would extend the usage of the term mog to any comparable trait that might affect one's heterosexual dating outcomes.
A normal person would hopefully think very little of an event like Clavicular posing beside an ASU frat boy who happens to have a bulkier frame than him.
Sometimes, people are going to be bigger than you, and that's okay.
Just a message to Clavicular who's watching.
I have like a weird mothering instinct to him.
I like feel so bad for him.
I just love this.
This is so good that we finally have that written as a script line.
And that's okay.
This is especially if you're already clearly a conventionally attractive man, as Clavicular is.
But it wasn't just Clav's kick chat that has terminal LuxMaxer brain.
And Clavicular has also been completely consumed by the LuxMaxing ideology.
Following his brutal frame mogging by Verus, he immediately comments on the frat bro's physique, saying, Damn, you got me by a lot.
I stopped gymming.
Yeah, dude, fuck.
This event would only become truly noteworthy, though, in the grand scheme of internet sumer culture later that day, after a Twitter user named Biggie Clips posted a video of the incident with a caption that read this: Clavicular ran into a frat leader at ASU and got brutally frame-mogged by him.
This post would garner 14 million views, a vast majority of whom likely had a similar reaction to the sentence as the average listener of this podcast.
Yeah, they smashed their head against a wooden beam until it split open.
They were so fucking angry.
Yeah, they're doing bone smashing, but it has no aesthetic purpose.
Just trying to like cave in the front of your brain.
Yeah.
And just like that, a viral meme was born, as multiple corners of the internet joined hands to make fun of the ridiculous way that looks maxers talk about innocuous human social interactions.
To give a few examples of some viral posts related to the incident, Will Stancil's Zippy 2011 Honda Fit received 35,000 likes on a post that read this.
If you're 25 to 30 and your main circle isn't discussing colon dash clavicular running into a frat leader at ASU and getting brutally frame-mogged by him, then it's time to find a new circle.
Your network is your net worth.
Ah, yes, this meme.
This is like your, I know this actually.
I know this.
This is you from, I can't remember who said it, but they're like, you and your friends should only be talking about like going to the gym, like fucking and like money.
These classic grinds.
Yeah, this one is good because there's only one thing.
It's just Clavicular running into a frame.
The only thing that's ASU.
JTropolis received 20,000 likes on a post with an attached photo of Paul Revere's Midnight Ride that read, Clavicular was frame-mogged!
Clavicular was frame-mogged!
Yet this didn't just explode on Twitter.
Z.eb on TikTok received 350,000 likes on a video that said this.
Notice how they scheduled the Super Bowl right after Clavicular got frame-mogged by the ASU frat leader.
And I haven't heard from FaZe Banks in a while.
I feel like he's got something to do with this.
I am sick of people getting older.
I don't want Gen Alpha people to have a mustache.
I think that's wrong.
And I don't like it, and it shows that we're all getting older.
You know?
No, the porn stash is big, like in Zoomers.
It's really in.
Really?
Yeah, yeah, they're going full Australian.
If you go to Australia, it's like, I mean, they haven't really.
Americans haven't really properly readopted the mullet, but over there, it's just like mullet mustache.
It's like the classic dude.
Skylar Max received 350,000 likes on a post where he appears to be in conversation with someone in an office setting discussing the two Super Bowl halftime shows.
No, I was watching how Clavicular got frame mogged at the ASU by the frat leader.
What?
Just like fucking fake news.
That's the best part about these clips is that they're totally just wrong or like they'll reframe something totally wrong.
Like this guy not in a frat, not even in a frat, which is great.
It's good that he was a.
In their brain, they're like, well, if he wasn't a frat, he'd be the leader.
Obviously, they defer to the largest frame.
Yes, the concept of a frat leader is awesome.
It's like a hierarchy.
There are a frat.
There are.
There are.
Yeah.
There is that hierarchy.
It's just that he's not in it.
No, he's definitely not.
He's just there.
But they just assumed, yeah.
I mean, not only are we going to put him in a frat that he's not in, but hey, why not?
He's the leader, too.
It's perfect.
It's a perfect headline.
And it went viral because it's just like whoever's brain can like invent this extra little piece of information is what made this work.
Like ASU frat leader is a very key term in this headline.
To me, this just feels like people it seems kind of like fun and ironic.
You know, it's like they want to create news out of something so meaningless because the real news is so depressing.
I mean, it is a bit like the Andrew Tate thing, right?
Where it's like, this guy's huge.
What is happening?
And then a lot of people just hate watch it.
It's like Liv said, there's layers of cruelty and voyeurism here.
Yeah.
It's important to note that the original poster of the video, Big Eclipse, is a right-wing Manosphere-related clip channel with a blue check mark, meaning they're one of many people on that website who's able to make money off their post-receiving engagement.
Often, giving users this direct incentive to drive clicks will greatly decrease the quality of posts on a website, as cheap rage bait and easily reproducible, unproductive discussions dominate discourse.
It sometimes, and I would like to emphasize very rarely, the monetary incentive to posts produce a gem so bright you can't help but notice it when browsing the internet three websites away.
Wow.
I want to see your vision of the internet.
It's like a like a like a city block.
Yes.
No, it's three houses down.
I was not on Twitter for this whole week because, you know, at some points in my life, I actually care about my mental well-being.
Meanwhile, Jake is still living in GeoCities in a neighborhood of his choosing.
And that's where I'll stay.
We've got a beautiful community pool.
Also, not even on Instagram or TikTok, but I still felt the glow of this meme.
I can't even remember where.
Like, maybe I was looking at like poll or something to like check far-right stuff.
It brought me back on Twitter and I went down a fucking rabbit hole.
I watched so much Clavicular.
I think I'm getting like phased out of pilledness.
He's getting phase banks out, bro.
I think I'm getting phased.
Yeah, phased clanned out.
It's the same way, you know, like video games are kind of starting to sort of like phase me out as well.
And I feel like social media and like the culture and like, I'm feeling that like George Clooney, you know, floating out into space like at the end of gravity, you know?
Jake, did you not know that they did a recall on your model?
Like it was faulty to begin with.
Don't worry about it.
I'm like Johnny 5.
I'm like the, I was supposed to be a military weapon, but at some point I smoked like a real weird strain of dope and like just became like kind of like a fun friend.
A day after Clavicular was frame-mogged on February 6th, another blue check clip farmer named Chrome Heart600 would take advantage of the buzz surrounding Clavicular and LuxMaxing terminology to post a clip of Clavicular interacting with a group of women during an IRL stream.
He would caption the post this.
Clavicular was mid-jester gooning when a group of foids came and spiked his cortisol level crying emoji.
Is ignoring the Foids while munting and mongging Moids more useful than SMV chad fishing in the club?
Even I, even I am like, it's beautiful.
Come on.
It's beautiful.
Jabberwocky shit.
This is, this is, this is, come on.
Like, this can't be real.
They're doing this as a joke.
It's a big bit.
It's ironic.
Okay, so I need two explanations here.
Munting and then SMV.
That's okay.
Yeah, no, no, no.
How many of these words are your, is there a question mark on?
I don't know.
I don't know what Foid means.
I don't know what Munting means.
I know what mogging means because you just explained it.
I don't know Moits.
I don't know SMV.
Jester gooning.
I can make a guess on Chadfishing, gesture gooning.
I don't know.
Cortisol levels, I guess, is like you feel bad.
They got you in some kind of way.
It's like laser tag, you know, like you got hit, your thing lights up, they spiked your cortisol.
Okay.
I would assume that's about the average of the listener base in terms of understanding this.
That's all you have to say.
I'm not going to explain it anymore.
Yeah, I just wanted to ascertain how out of touch you are.
No, you got to tell us.
Come on.
The fact that you, dear listener, probably have no fucking clue what any of this means is by design.
Because this is broadly not actually how Lux Maxers talk.
It is, in a certain sense, camp.
And that is exactly what the people had been asking for.
With this tweet accruing 30,000 likes and 24 million views.
Mighty Keefe gained 24,000 likes on a reply to the tweet that read this.
Horrible day for the English language.
Minus Overwatch received 8,000 likes on a quote tweet of the post that said this.
This is the last thing my grandfather said to me before he took his own life.
Officer Kay would quote tweet the post with a photo of Ryan Gosling's character in Blade Runner with this caption.
People would be so just awestruck by this terminology that it would spawn an entirely new type of ironic posting style where users would pretend to be clavicular defending LuxMaxing warriors.
One example comes from this Instagram account, Zach Was Live.
First, sent a spy to FrameMog Club on purpose.
Then they arrested him.
Now they're craving random words like gesture gooning to try to discredit and destabilize our community.
I'm officially asking Harvard to launch an investigation into this whole thing, okay?
I'm going to get to the bottom of who's trying to destroy our community.
This is part of the broader kind of internet reaction.
I mean, even made by the original post by Chrome Heart itself, where people are pretending to be Lux Maxers.
They're pretending to be devastated by Clavicular getting frame mogged.
They're pretending to be devastated by the LuxMaxing community being under attack.
Everyone's pretending.
It's great.
Yeah, I mean, that's the problem is when a lot of people, especially a lot of young men, start pretending to do ironic far-right misogyny.
You know what happens.
Uh-huh.
Everything works out and everyone knows it's a joke.
Yeah, and everything's fine.
Everyone on poll is doing a bit, unfortunately.
QAnon was a bit, and it's all a good time, and nothing bad happens.
Yeah.
That user, ironically pretending to be a LuxMaxer, was correct in his assessment that gesture gooning, for instance, is a made-up word that sort of sounds like it should be related to LuxMaxing.
It's seemingly just a goofy combination of the term gesture maxing, which is becoming more attractive by being funnier charismatic, as well as the word gooning, or of course the act of jerking off for hours at a time without coming.
Yeah.
Interestingly, it seems like the virality of the gesture gooning post has retroactively given the term some meaning.
To shamelessly steal an idea from a short video made by the creator etymology nerd, gooning as a suffix has now begun to function as an ironic subversion of the phenomena of maxing, where someone is ostensibly trying to max some trait of theirs for the sake of self-improvement, but ends up worse off.
As an example, in response to Clavicular being criminally charged for using a fake ID shortly after the ASU stream, someone claimed that he was felony gooning.
It appears that the author of that tweet really is the Shakespeare of our time.
Yeah.
It's also now, like, gooning will be applied to, you know, the reading at felonies and stuff like that.
Yeah.
While many of the words in that post were made up, some bits of it do have a coherent meaning derived from the LuxMaxing community.
And explaining these terms might help you, dear listener, understand the looks maxing ideology a bit better.
I've been edging you all.
I've been gooning you all what the treat actually means, but it's time.
It's time to understanding not Max Goon.
It's time to knowledge Max.
Something.
Yeah.
One big meme that came out of this post was anxiety being represented as having one's cortisol level spiked.
This is certainly par for the course for LuxMaxers, as it renders anxiety a problem for one's long-term physical attractiveness.
Looking at the LuxMaxing forum, it does seem clear that they're pretty obsessed with cortisol levels, with users posting cortisol mining guides to decrease it as much as possible.
Yet in typical LuxMaxing fashion, many of these guys have pretty reasonable strategies to reduce stress, you know, like increase sleep and exercise, but also have more avant-garde methods for the LuxMax who are willing to take more risks, including things such as injecting anabolic steroids.
Ears That Stick Out00:10:14
Oh, yeah.
You know.
Yeah, classically makes you more calm.
Yeah.
Definitely doesn't put you into a fight or flight.
It is odd because I looked it up and it does, it does seem like there's a link directly with cortisol levels that it reduces it.
It lowers them?
Apparently.
Yeah.
I mean, the thing that I knew immediately is that anyone who's on Royds is just like the most anxious human being alive.
But no.
They're actually common.
They're actually, their cortisol levels are, I guess, less.
I think storage just like destroys your endocrine system.
So maybe your body just stops producing cortisol or something.
To return to the viral tweet we were just talking about, the phrase munting in the broader sentence, ignoring the foids while munting and mogging moids is also an interesting one.
I've definitely heard Luxmaxers use this term in reference to improving their physical attraction.
The only problem is that munting appears to signify having sex with dead bodies.
Oh, okay.
And honestly, I do have to admit defeat on this one because, you know, the worst thing that you can do as a Zoomer is not being on a joke, an obscure joke.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You get an old.
It's your own.
That's right.
It's like older people getting angry at the 6'7 jokes.
It's like the joke is that you're not in on the joke and you're not in the joke and you're mad.
So I'm laughing.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
You're mad that you're not in on the joke.
I might not even know what the joke is, but I know that I'm not mad about it and you are.
Nice.
It's probably just like them thinking it would be funny to say that having sex with dead bodies improves your, you know, looks or something.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm owned.
We just know it's not a scrilla song.
That's while munting and mogging moids.
Do you know what moids is?
Oh yeah, we'll get to it.
Don't worry.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, but while munting and mogging.
So munting must be something like mogging.
Well yeah, the implication is that it's a looks maxing thing, but it's improving your how good you look.
Well munting moids would just mean having sex with moids when they're dead.
Okay.
Presumably, the literal meaning, but obviously I think he's just putting words together without much sense to it.
Yeah.
SMV chatfishing at the club does make some semblance of sense for a LuxMaxer to say.
Chadfishing is a combination of catfishing and chad, a term used for conventionally attractive, sexually successful men.
So to be a chadfish is to put on the impression that one is more attractive than they are to gain access to potential mates.
SMV stands for sexual market value.
Oh god.
It doesn't really make sense as an adverb here because SMV chatfishing would just be the same as regular chadfishing.
Yeah.
Nevertheless, the concept of SMV is deeply related to a key component of the LuxMax ideology, which is the treatment of attraction and beauty as an objective fact that can be calculated.
Beauty is not in the eye of the beholder.
It can be determined scientifically, generally based upon the most conventionally beautiful mating partners you can attract.
Therefore, your sexual market value is able to be calculated the same way the value of a commodity is.
And while Luxmaxers do believe there are other ways of improving one's sexual market value than getting way hotter, they generally think increasing how hot you are is by far the most easy way that other avenues like status or wealth.
The way that I understand this the most is actually looking at it as if they've put like beauty and aesthetic into a capitalist sort of model.
And they're like, you know, commodifying and like Julian's has said it like in other episodes, just how do you extract the most value from something?
And now that is like applying to our physical bodies.
Yeah, it's completely just reification of, you know, capitalist market values.
Yeah.
And you and you're doing it to extract value from others by convincing them to sleep with you, which adds to your, you know, chadness or whatever because you're sleeping with tens or whatever.
It really is such a miserable like way of viewing love and companionship.
Oh, horrifying.
Yeah.
Totally, utterly empty.
Yeah, like the only thing that you can really gain from someone is like of objective value.
It's like how you relate to like other buyers and sellers in the market.
Or like, you know, a really important part of love is like not thinking with your ego, not putting your ego first, not using someone as a means to an end.
Yeah.
All these people are so fundamentally empty.
And you usually see this with clavicular and they don't really understand why.
It's hard for them to articulate it.
But it's like, yeah, I mean, of course, if you view the world in that incredibly shallow way, your life is going to be miserable.
Yeah, unless you do a bit of meth.
Yeah, you know, you smoke some crystal, your bit of tina.
Well, it seems like he likes to snort it.
Yeah.
For facial beauty, looks maxers are obsessed with measurements such as mid-face ratio, facial width to height ratio, chin to filter ratio, cantal tilt, mouth to nose, bigonal width, lower third height, and many more.
And there are plenty of viral clips of clavicular using this convoluted language to explain exactly why he believes an obviously very attractive person is actually what the kids refer to as mid.
Here, for example, is clavicular on far-right agitator Michael Knoll's show claiming that anyone who is attracted to Sidney Sweeney has porn brain.
On social media, don't get a lot of likes and certainly don't get brands.
Well, what are we talking about by hot?
Like good looking?
Like some people think that like Sidney Sweeney is extremely attractive.
I would say, I don't want to scandalize anybody, a married man, I would say Sidney Sweeney is very attractive.
I would say that she's pretty malformed.
Her upper maxilla is extremely recessed, right?
She's got the eyes of doom with no infra-orbital support.
She's really not that much of a looker in her face.
I think that a lot of people with brands find her attractive because of her body.
I don't know.
You're telling me that you're telling me if a guy finds Sidney Sweeney attractive, he's got to have above average in looks, but certainly not that like, you know.
So you said she's got a sunken suborbital.
I forget the words that you said.
Yeah, she's got a recessed infraorbitals and a recessed upper maxilla.
You're telling me you go to a bar.
I'm just saying she's not the pinnacle of looks that I'm talking about to actually succeed on social media.
She's average to above average.
Wow, not even like to be the hottest, to succeed on social media.
It's that.
It's only, he can only describe beauty as the image of beauty being captured, you know, in this kind of second setting.
Now that I've seen him well framed in like a professional, like talk show studio setting and not in a vertical window at like a frat party, I gotta say, small mouth, pig nose, stick out ears.
He's like, I don't understand.
Like, I really don't understand.
Who is he to tell people what's wrong?
You see that mouth?
That's like the, you put the slider way to the left on mouth with ears too big.
But this is where I'd argue that the ideology is larger than clavicular and clavicular is not necessarily the problem because he himself is a victim of the ideology.
You will see him in many videos, like accepting that he looks like shit or saying that he's a piece of shit and he hasn't worked out for so long.
You know, like he also is torturing himself with the same.
Okay, well, he's honest about it.
Yeah, so that's why, like, it's like, yeah, he would be replaced.
Like, get out, get Clavicular out of here.
He'd be replaced immediately.
It's like any of these commodified hierarchies like within the spectacle, you know?
But look at me.
There's no importance of the actual individual, right?
Like, you're just, you're just a slave to your ideology.
And you have to discuss your own face in the same terms that you discuss like everybody else's, unfairly, of course.
Yeah, I mean, he has insanely bad body dysmorphia.
Of course, this is just a bunch of body dysmorphic men like arguing with each other.
Yeah, look how quick I was to smallmouth him and talk about his ears.
Like, look, I'm somebody who also has ears that kind of stick out a little bit.
I'm not one to talk.
When I played Little League, I used to tuck my ears under my hat because it made my ears stick out even more when I had the hat pulled down.
So I got hat mogged.
You're apologizing to Clavicular is what you're saying.
Yeah, I don't know what's happening right now.
He's getting mogged in the outfield.
I'm getting like time, time mogged.
Like I'm going back in time.
I'm going back in time and mogging a past version of myself that couldn't even comprehend mogging.
So that's rude.
Yeah, I've pulled up a lot of childhood pictures of myself and just kind of gone phrenology on it, you know, measuring my skull.
My Maxilla, like, how did it develop?
You know, I love to pull up old pictures of myself and treat myself like shit.
Clavicular has helped advertise a system used by LuxMaxers to rate the perceived sexual market value of an individual's face called the PSL scale, which attempts to use these many obscure facial measurements to objectively determine the value of an individual's face.
So what does PSL stand for?
We'll get to it.
We'll get to it.
Okay, of course.
This is all I'm edging you all with knowledge.
All will be revealed.
All will be revealed in time.
Live is episode mogging us because she wrote the episode and knows where it goes.
Every paragraph just ends with, you won't believe what happens next.
And we're all like host mogging Corey because he has to be on the call now to monitor and produce the EBS, but he can't say anything.
He's laughing.
He's smiling.
He can't do anything.
Yeah, we're sound and we're mic mogging him.
Well, I mean, it's not our fault that you had that issue, Jake, that episode where we had to can the whole thing because you said the N-word like 12 to 15 times.
Now Julian's, he's, he's allegation mogging me.
Because he's making an unfair allegation, but now it's been put out into the open.
And so people are going to naturally go, well, why would he even say something like that in the first place?
Yeah, why would he bring it up if it's not true?
Yeah.
And I'm gesture goon defensing.
I'm in a gesture.
I'm in a gesture pose trying to be funny and defensive to get the audience back on my side.
Yeah, my cortisol levels are never not spiking.
Oh, yeah, I constantly, none of this really affects me because my cortisol, it's been spiked since, I don't know, 28 or 29.
Yeah, Jake is tired of feeling like he needs to fight or flight.
He doesn't do either.
He just naps.
Yeah, I just sort of freeze.
Perfect.
The PSL rating system is very different from the typical one to 10, where you'd expect the average person to be around a five.
This is an eight-point rating system where the first four points are meant to encapsulate the bottom 90% of the population.
A five being the top five percent and a perfect eight being statistically impossible.
Also referred to as true Adam or True Eve.
Resentment Towards Women's Choices00:15:09
It's just like the overman of hotness.
Yeah.
Ubermensch.
Yeah.
One popular PSL explainer thread on looksmax.org has Tom Holland, for instance, as a four and Timothy Chalamet as a five.
So, you know, for context of what the form that Clavicular was immersing himself in as a teenager, you know, in relation to his incredibly low self-esteem.
It's a place where like they're like Timothy Chalamet's a five.
He's like not very attractive looking face.
Yeah, but it's not just about the face.
Chalamet spit that decent verse.
He's also got a very good looking face though.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And like he's in Dune.
Like Clavicular is probably never gonna be in a major motion picture.
Well yeah, that's a part of Clavicular's kind of the way that he's gone about life.
He's like money and status are like not really options for me.
I need to be liked.
I need to get as hot as possible.
It's very sad.
But nobody likes anybody that's trying to get as hot as possible and reminding you how you're not as possible.
Yeah, but that's the point, right?
You just got frame mogged then.
Yeah, these things are too, yeah, in total conflict with one another.
Yeah.
I mean, that's a part of the pipeline, I think, in general.
You see this with like the, you know, anti-feminist like incel pipeline is it's like you already start having negative feelings about women, but like they really reinforce those negative feelings, get you further into it.
And so you get more bad social interactions and you're like, well, this must be because I don't believe in the incel ideology enough.
Like I need to go further.
They become incredibly insufferable and they're like, well, these women don't want to sleep with me.
The answer must be that I need to get hotter.
There's just this like terrible feedback loop.
Yeah.
Returning to the work of art that was the jester grooning tweet is also a reference to both voids and moids.
The first of which is a derogatory term for women that comes from internet incel forums.
It's a shortened version of the word femoid, which itself is a portmanteau of female and either humanoid or android, denoting that women are less than human beings, artificial and foreign.
LuxMaxing culture, originating on the LuxMaxing website, has important roots directly in the 2010s era internet incel spaces.
I've talked about this history before, but it's worth repeating a shortened version of it to explain to you where someone like Clavicular actually comes from.
The LuxMaxing board itself came out of the PSL community, the same PSL as the visual scale for wedding faces I just talked about.
This acronym stands for the three successive forums that would later coagulate into the LuxMaxing website.
The first being PUA hate, or pickup artistry hate.
This form, originally created in 2009, was primarily made for the purpose of exposing griffs ran by pickup artist influencers, many of whom sold or sell online courses promising to teach any insecure young man how to gain the confidence to have sex with women.
You might be surprised at how an incel-adjacent manosphere form could begin with what was originally a forum made to oppose the proto-manosphere.
But all that members of PUA hate really had in common was anger and possibly bitterness towards pickup artists.
And hating them doesn't necessarily mean you respect women.
For many of these men, the resentment they felt towards pickup artists was simply a transference of their resentment towards the women that refuse to sleep with them.
And many men on the forum would simply come to the conclusion that game, with the ability to convince women to sleep with you purely through charisma, is a waste of time.
The thing that I think fundamentally unifies all the forums I'll be talking about, including LuxMaxing, is a deeply held desire by their generally young male user base to understand why women decide to sleep with certain men above others, and also why they, as a forum user, are typically excluded.
Members of the PUA hate board would come to the conclusion that physical attraction was a necessary condition for picking up chicks.
It might not be the only thing that's required, but many of these frustrated young men felt like they were being misled by much more objectively attractive pickup artists and members of the PUA community into the false belief that they could use advice that simply wasn't made for them.
Some internet forum users would react to this supposed fact about intersexual relations by taking what they called the black pill, or the belief that there's nothing that they can do at a structural level to improve their lot in life sufficiently to gain access to women they're sexually attracted to.
PUA hate would be one of many early 2010 boards that would help solidify incel ideology.
Users would become convinced that our so-called sexual marketplace is structured as a hypergamy, where a select few most sexually attractive men are the only ones who have sexual access to a majority of women.
And of course, many forum growers would also blame the supposedly hypergamous sexual dating market on feminism, imagining that it's a result of women having more power over choosing their sexual partners.
It's interesting because growing up as a kid, I remember doing the same kind of thing, except it wasn't in a form.
It was like, you know, I knew I wasn't super athletic or kind of like traditionally handsome in ways that I was seeing other guys my grade be like attracted to.
So I was like, oh, well, maybe I'll get good at like yo-yo.
I got good at yo-yo.
I got good at devil sticks.
I started playing guitar.
Like I picked up my parents' guitar and started teaching myself.
And that was really because I was like, well, I was like, I want, you know, I want to be like an attractive person.
So like, but maybe like I sort of understand vaguely that like rock stars, you know, like get girls.
So like maybe if I like beef up these skills, I was doing the same stuff, but I wasn't like on a forum discussing it.
And it's, it's, it's almost like, it's like this poison of like review culture, right?
Of like being like, well, what's gonna like, what's gonna be the quickest way to get the most value in like going online, just like you're going on Amazon trying to like buy products.
Like what's the highest rated?
Like what's the like, how do I like max this thing, you know?
Yeah, diary of a proto-jester maxer.
Yeah.
That's that's Jake.
Is that what that is that what category I would fall under in well no?
You just gesture max because you're like, you know, I gotta get funny.
Yeah.
You gotta be charismatic.
Yeah, that's gesture maxing.
Absolutely.
Storyteller.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But like gesture, so it doesn't necessarily have like a bad connotation.
It's more in the classic connotation, like, you know, someone that keeps the king sort of chucking.
Yeah.
It can be goofy maxing.
Like Clavicular says he's gesture maxing, but just because he's kind of awkward and he acts weird.
But like it does generally also stand in for like being as funny as physically possible as a way of like getting women.
I don't, hmm, I don't like try to be as funny as pos I may, I may, maybe I'm more goof goof max.
Now we're caught in a review cycle.
Jake is reviewing his own gesture maxing skills.
Is that another term, a review cycle?
No, that's just, I'm just using words.
Lose words.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
That's how words work.
Got it.
Got it.
We can go on with the script.
Yes.
Yet there was a separate tendency on the PUA hate forum than the incel blackpilling.
The shitty advice sub forum of the website was dedicated to aiding members on how to increase their physical attraction, raising it enough so that they could ascend and escape inseldom.
Members of the sub forum often embrace the LMS or looks money status theory of why men are sexually successful.
This view developed into the belief that if one does not have a significant amount of at least one of these traits, no amount of pickup artistry will help them.
So they're to explain it in looks maxing terms, they're anti-gester maxing.
They're like, no, it doesn't work.
It didn't work for me, so it must not work, period.
And so the only thing that matters is looks money and status.
And as Clavicular said in, I believe it was an interview on the Adam Friedland show, like the money and status are so much more difficult to get.
Like, you know, looks and developing a bunch of hairbrain schemes to increase your looks is clearly the easiest of the options.
They've they've gamed it up.
They developed this very elaborate decades-long mind palace that justifies what they're doing.
Well, that's true.
It's it's really hard to teach yourself to be funny.
Yeah, that's true.
I mean, it is like a thing you have or you don't have.
Charisma, like being able to have a good conversation with someone is a bit more teachable if you're like a bit psychotic about it.
When usually people who are funny are funny because they know they can't max the looks in a traditional way, or they just they have lower self-esteem, which leads to a self-deprecation, which leads to observing the world in a certain way.
You know, it's just, it's hard if you're like a super good-looking guy trying to read a book about how can I be funnier.
That's that, yeah, that does seem like the harder of the options.
Yeah, I mean, all these forms generally are just like guys who aren't getting any attention from the opposite sex in their teen years, just like desperately trying to figure out why and desperately trying to figure out like, what's the, what's the quickest path to pussy.
And like, they're like idiot teens who obviously like don't really understand women that well in the first place.
So, like a lot of their observations, like how like I think that's like a pretty common component of like heterosexual male socialization is going through the like, well, what's my niche here?
So that like women will keep talking to me.
And the answer is so simple.
It's just like going out into the world instead of like sitting, you know, at your computer.
It's like signing up for classes or sports or you know, enrolling in some kind of program or getting a job somewhere where you're just kind of like forced to kind of like be around people and interact.
You're describing all the worst parts of life.
Exactly.
That's the thing.
Leave my house.
Get the fuck out of here.
Exactly.
That's why this is never, that's why this is like a just a black hole.
I'll go with Liv's technique.
Liv Jester Maxes online.
Then she posts, you know, some mogging shots where she mogs her immediate community.
And then before she knows it, someone slides into the DMs and she organizes some sort of meetup.
It's simple.
I'm going to go with that.
You don't have to leave your house, Jake.
Yeah.
You don't have to leave your house.
In fact, you can probably do most of your dates while still sitting in the same computer chair.
Why even stop streaming?
Like, let's just go with it.
Well, I don't need to do any of this.
Well, you don't, of course, because I'm out of the game.
Well, yeah, you're also famous actor Jeremy Piven, and so you're wealthy beyond belief.
It's me, famous actor Jeremy Piven.
I've replaced Jake Rakatanski for years, actually.
We've been waiting until February 17th, 2026, to reveal it.
Julian just discovered because I put my signature frames back on.
It's that time of the year.
It's the Piven season.
I'm hair-mogging Piven because I was able to regrow mine through medication while he had to get the plugs.
Well, Liv should script Max so that we can.
Sorry.
I'm apologize, Maxing, for interrupt maxing.
This forum's obsession with looks as a requirement to get laid would become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
And average-looking men would be driven deeper and deeper into self-doubt about their looks by catty and cruel forum guards who would affirm their worst fears that they aren't fucking because they're hideous.
This site, as well as all of its successive forums that revolve around beauty advice to get men laid, functionally serve as a factory to produce body dysmorphia.
Almost like a slightly less horrifying male-centered version of pro-anorexia content, generally geared towards women online.
In 2014, PUA hate would be shut down as a result of the fact that incel murderer Elliot Roger posted there.
Ironically, Roger was not particularly fond of the website or its users, as he maintained that despite being unable to get laid, he was still very attractive.
Users on the site, of course, would respond to him that being unable to get girls was a sign he was actually ugly.
I think part of this is like it was really easy to bait him.
You'd just be like, no, you're ugly.
You're sub five.
Gross.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And like, there's nothing that works better than these guys than biological determinism.
They just get absolutely out of their minds with fear and anger.
Following PUA hate being shut down, many members would move over to a website called Slut Hate, the S in the PSL acronym.
Oh, good.
A little bit more on the nose for like what we're doing here.
PUA hate slut hate.
Can't wait to find out what the L is.
This site dropped all pretenses of being about resentment towards pickup artists and instead focused directly on these users' hatred of women.
And this form would also include a write-me section for men to improve their looks.
And as the vitriol towards women on the site got worse, so too did how critical many users were towards each other.
Because, you know, it's like, oh, women are so shallow.
Like, they're not going to have sex with you.
You have to be like a Chad.
Yeah.
This is how the ideology victimizes basically everybody involved, even the people who think they're above it, that they're the grifters, that they're the men makers of that class of user.
Like everyone loses.
Yeah, because there's even resentment from them of like, well, I had to get this hot to be successful.
Yeah.
Slut hate would pioneer many hairbrain schemes to radically alter the users' bodies, which are later embraced by looks maxers.
Some would sell each other on different stacks of supplements and pills, sometimes even resulting in adolescents taking steroids.
Eventually, users would become tired of how moderators were running their website.
And some would migrate over to a website called Lookism, a board less explicitly centered around vitriol towards women and more around resentment towards more attractive people being generally treated better by society.
So, no, it's like, you know, racism or sexism.
That's the L.
Yeah, and that is the L. Great.
That is generally true.
You know, the Halo effect, people tend to treat more attractive people better on average.
But what was unique about this site was not the observation that lookism exists, but instead, many users believed that it was actually a good thing.
So it's like if you joined racism.com because you're racist, sort of.
While often semi-ironic, lookism users would view uglier people as less valuable human beings.
The previously mentioned PSL scale, for instance, often marks the lower points as making someone subhuman.
One reason I think this viewpoint, which is also rubbed off on the looks maxing culture, spreads so effectively, is that it articulates a truth that does really rest at the core of a vast majority of people.
While you should be ashamed of it, it is hard to not have some sort of positive bias towards people who you find more physically attractive.
Lookism can therefore position itself as simply an ideology that is being honest about a feeling we all have deep down.
This is how a lot of like, especially in cell culture works too, is it's like, you know, a lot of young men have resentment towards women.
And it's like, well, we're just being honest about the feelings we all have.
We're saying the quiet part out loud.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, and then you start to make the objectivity claims and, you know, just the idea that we all agree on this, okay?
This is a scale that's agreed upon, which is why most of the content is about how confusing the scale is.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
It's a big clavicular thing.
It's like, you know the scale.
Like it's in your brain.
I'm just making it explicit.
Yeah, exactly.
To return to the main topic of this episode, Clavicular is certainly deeply influenced by this component of looks maxing.
And he caused quite a stir, for instance, in an interview with Michael Knowles when talking about a potential presidential election between JD Vance and Gavin Newsom.
This next election cycle, who's going to win?
It's going to be Gavin Newsom against JD Vance because JD Vance is subhuman and Gavin Newsom mugs.
JD Vance is subhuman?
Yeah.
What makes you say that?
He's got a very short total facial width to height ratio.
He's obese, very recessed side profile.
Whereas Newsom is like 6'3 Chad.
JD is very tall.
JD's gotta be.
Well, still, I'm 6'3.
Gavin Newsom obviously mogs him to death.
So you're a Newsom hit.
You prefer Newsom to the vice president.
I'm just telling you who's gonna win.
Do you prefer him though?
Newsom being that much more of a mogger.
And like having a president who's like fat.
I don't see anything.
I don't think he's fat.
I would say.
He's a bigger guy, for sure.
It's just like, it's just embarrassing.
Like, how are you fat and you expect to like lead a country?
You can't even be in shape, you know?
Bro, they cut to.
Whichever right-wing clip farm I took this from, cut to Taft at the end of that.
Yeah.
Very beautiful.
Yeah.
It's great.
Great stuff.
Cut to Dr. Phil there.
Yeah, it's a good own.
Country Comparisons00:15:36
You really got Clavicular.
It's a good representation of this, like, you know, he's like, I'm just telling you how it is.
Like, it's not, I'm not necessarily like Newsome more.
It's just he mogs.
Like, he's just a more valuable human being.
I wish this wasn't an accurate read on how stupid the electorate is, but.
Yeah, it is.
Yeah.
I was thinking the exact same thing.
I was like, man, he's got a point.
That is, I mean, that is why these cultural niches exist.
Like, they exist in the festering wounds of like all the contradictions in our system.
Right, sure.
You can be a young man who is trying to optimize your success of finding a mate, you know, but to go online and to discuss it and to create a culture around it and content around it is, you know.
You're telling me that this guy is going to fuck the country?
I don't fucking think so.
This other mog guy, I mean, he's getting the whole country.
He's got that country going home with him right now.
They'll do it on stream.
It's important to understand the internet milia that Clavicular comes from in order to contextualize these sort of outrageous statements.
Users on the Lookism Forum, for instance, were not necessarily totally sincere when they claimed that the value of a human being is entirely based on their looks.
It was semi-ironic and hyperbolic.
This is a forum culture where users would only receive noteworthy status if they acted out the ideology of the forum in the most dramatic, absurd way possible.
And that would be the same for this forum's direct successor, LuxMax.org, where a young clavicular would get his start.
And Clavicular has made many statements equally or more absurd than the idea that JD Vance is subhuman for not being hot.
Yeah, he's subhuman for a totally different reason.
Yeah, exactly.
Come on.
He's claimed that he switched from Adderall to a small amount of crystal meth to use as a stimulant and weight loss technique, that he's abused so many steroids since being a minor that he made himself infertile, and then even later claimed on a stream that he accidentally got a woman pregnant.
His entire social world, from when he was simply a 15-year-old LuxMax power user, to now when his kickstream has rocketed him into internet stardom, has been built on making outrageous claims.
Clavicular is also not shy about making incredibly edgy political statements.
As I think we mentioned before, he loves saying the N-word.
And for instance, has said this about the Israeli genocide in Gaza.
I was going to say, people in Palestine are actually LeanMaxing because Israel blows up all their food, but I didn't say that.
Move to Palestine if you want to Lean Max, right?
That's what I would do.
W.
Oh my god.
Jesus Christ.
Yeah, I mean, he just like, he does not exist in a world where there is like moral consequences.
Or when there is moral consequences, his response is to just double down and that has like just continually worked.
Mm-hmm.
He is like a living chan creature.
Yeah, I mean, and that's the crazy thing is that like that's getting a lot more common for younger people.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, they are among us.
And they are breaching reality.
I mean, this is what this is how Pepe started, you know, the kid yelling it out at Hillary while she's on stage because he's being, you know, egged on by people on a forum, but he's IRL there.
It's, that's, that's it.
It's a whole new generation where indoor, outdoor, online, offline, it's all completely blurred.
I often find that millennials have a bit a harder time placing many of Clavicular's more ridiculous ideological positions and actions because they don't quite get the way that a lot of really online Gen Zers do irony.
And of course, plenty of millennials and older had upbringings that were very, very online, but not online in the way that a 20-year-old influencer who got his start being histrionic on a Manosphere Jason self-help forum is.
For Gen Z, particularly the younger ones, online is real life.
Everyone, you know, at school and in high school wants to be an influencer.
And having access to algorithmic-based content creation apps as your primary source of being social means that virality is deeply connected to relating to other people in a socially acceptable way.
As a very online older Zoomer, I remember having a video game commentary channel as an early teen that racked up a couple thousand subscribers.
This prepared you for your crazy taxi game.
This, of course, is because I have terminal content brain.
But I would have never told a vast majority of my classmates and even casual friends about this.
I used an internet alias instead of my name, and it was broadly separate from my real-life activities.
For younger Zoomers, this isn't the case.
Their attempts at internet virality are increasingly connected with their real social world.
One of my younger relatives, for instance, mentioned how one girl in her grade got chastised and even cut off by some of her friends for making a problematic TikTok.
I've never seen any of those.
Was she dressed as Anne Frank or was she like as a slave or wearing black?
I don't know.
I'm very curious what the content of it is.
It was probably like pretty tame.
Yeah, yeah, we only see, or our brains are so cooked on the worst stuff that we can't even imagine what people are canceling each other over.
Probably like ableism or fatphobia.
Yeah, yeah.
The distinction between who they are online and in real life has increasingly become meaningless.
In the case of Clavicular, even having the option to propel the pseudonym he used on an obscure manoscure forum into internet stardom is something that would have been entirely inconceivable even 10 years ago.
And so, you know, you give these kids the option to just like get as much attention as possible.
Especially like the dumber ones are going to be like, yeah, no, this is me for the rest of my life now.
Yeah.
Like 20 years ago, you couldn't do that, really.
You didn't have the option.
No, there were so many systems gatekeeping you.
Now everybody, every kid has a phone, and there's no middle person in between their content being seen by others and them creating it.
Yeah, it's like, remember when I was trying to be famous when I was 19?
That was so cringe.
I'm glad all that doesn't exist anymore.
I remember making stop motion videos with like a camcorder when I was growing up.
I would have been absolutely all over this if I could have made little videos and edited them in a handheld device and post them where people could see them.
I would have been all over this.
Clavicular would join the LuxMaxing forum at 15.
Based on forum posts he made on the LuxMaxing website.
He seems to have been an awkward kid in high school.
In April of 2024, when he was 18, he would write a guide on the forum about how to avoid human social interaction as much as possible.
I wake up 30 minutes earlier than I have to so that I don't have to see my parents in the morning.
I get up at 6 a.m. for school, even though I don't start for like two hours after that.
I just sit in my car and wait for it to start.
Don't walk into class first or last, both of which draw attention, which I don't want.
I just walk in the middle of the pack so no one notices.
Don't follow anyone on Instagram.
This will make it awkward to walk by them.
Am I supposed to greet this person now?
I don't want to talk to you.
Don't try to make small talk.
Then it is custom to greet people the next day.
Just ignore everyone.
Never participate in class discussions.
Start counting your words.
You shouldn't be saying more than 50 to 100 words per day.
I have gone entire days without speaking before.
This should be your goal.
When walking into a room, don't make eye contact with anyone.
If need be, just give them a nod and walk the other way.
When I get home, I try to go straight to my room without seeing my parents.
I always greet my dog, though, because I love her.
This is the only female I will ever feel a connection to.
I care greatly for my dog because she gets so happy when I come home from school.
When I get home, I go straight to my room to come on looksmax.org or incels.is for the rest of the night.
Sometimes I watch a movie.
I recommend you try to go an entire day doing your normal regime without talking.
Whenever I talk, I give away my blue pill and reveal my mental issues.
I used to have a therapist, but I stopped going because of how dreadful it is.
They constantly try to bluepill you and warp your sense of reality.
Wait, I don't understand.
Give away my blue pill?
Um, that's a good question.
I think it's that he's not like based in red pills, like he's not ascended.
It gives it away if he talks.
Oh, it shows your blue pill is showing.
This is so fucked.
Sad.
Yeah, this one's a pretty common one, I think, that people generally quote.
Sometimes a bit too, I think, at face value.
There's obviously a grain of salt that needs to be taken here.
Because Clavicular's initial claim to fame was becoming a fairly prominent user of the forum.
And it's virtually impossible to stand out in a crowd like this unless you have some very ridiculous shit to say.
Yes, I was going to say, like, everything becomes more extreme, and he wants to put it in the most intense way possible.
It's green text posting, you know?
I mean, this is very much an extension of the chance.
Yeah, totally.
And another thread during his high school years, for instance, one where like people are attacking him for having no friends and getting no bitches.
You know, it's like he feels defensive.
Clavicular mentions that he actually has no problem socializing and gets plenty of women.
I never had a problem talking to girls or getting nervous doing school presentations or whatever.
Then when someone posts me on here, everyone can immediately tell I'm Aspy AF, which I suppose stands for.
Aspirational.
Oh, it's not Asperger's?
No, it is.
I was just kidding.
So it's Asperger's as well.
Yeah, yeah.
Aspirational.
Sorry.
This Aspy knows how to jester Max.
It seems pretty clear, though, that Clavicular was a pretty awkward kid, and I guess also an awkward adult.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, Julian, you've been watching plenty of his clips.
You can see it.
Yeah, I know.
It feels really bad.
Like, when he's standing around women talking to them, he doesn't make eye contact.
He's kind of fidgeting and flipping.
I mean, that's why the camera is so important.
You know, this kind of like mediator is because, you know, I feel like it's a bit like wearing a mask.
Like you could kind of like put aside your feelings about yourself.
And if you're on a stream, you know, you're not really there.
Yeah.
You know, and there's this kind of feeling of safety that you feel like an anonymous chan poster, even though you're currently talking to a person.
Which is why you feel comfortable being like, hey, will you throw like a Roman salute?
Would you say the N-word?
Yeah, it's like I'm doing a bit, actually, Your Honor.
Yeah.
I'm doing a bit.
Even if you don't want to fuck me, this whole thing will be a clip.
And I'm going to profit from it.
So there's no way for me to lose in this interaction, in this transaction.
It just seems like he's doing the classic pickup artist shit that they hate, though, of like pretending that how you naturally are is just some kind of strategy, like being awkward and not making eye contact and not talking a lot because you think it makes you less attractive the moment you open your mouth is like all just like internal anxieties.
It's, you know, but all he's doing is just like being, you know, quite smart, actually, honestly, and presenting that as some kind of strategy or rule set to follow so that other people can become, you know, as famous, as internet famous as he is.
And he's clearly making a living off this.
He doesn't have to work, you know, work retail or anything like that.
So, you know?
Yeah.
And by kind of deferring to ideology, you liberate yourself from any kind of risk, right?
It's like, yeah, totally.
Like there's a kind of greater order to things that is objective.
And it, you know, so anything I do isn't really me trying to do anything.
I'm just explaining to you how things are.
And I'm just setting up situations that play out and prove, you know, that like this way of seeing the world is correct.
Yeah.
You really can't lose.
That's the main thing.
It's lowering risk.
It's like really, really, it's like a form of like intense hedging when it comes to taking any kind of emotional risk in your life, right?
Any vulnerability is totally hedged.
Just like with many of the PUA hate forum goers, Clavicular seems to have chosen a solution to whatever social alienation he felt that called for a psychotic emphasis on his looks.
And being exposed to the brutal standards these forums place on men at an early age likely helped ruin his self-image even more.
And like now that he's incredibly viral, like you see why he is insecure is because like, yeah, when someone is bigger than him and appears beside him, it becomes like an insanely massive meme.
That's kind of his nightmare.
Yeah, that's when he gets to defer to the market and just be like, I'm ugly.
Yeah, I know I'm ugly.
I know I'm chopped.
I know I'm a low number, blah, blah, just reinforcing the entire thing.
So everyone continues to feel miserable.
And even before Clavicular was browsing the looks maxing forums, he was a very large fan of Far Right Holocaust and Ire Nick Fuentes.
Much of Fuentes' power over these sorts of impressionable boys comes from the fact that he embraces the in-cell label.
While many, especially millennial and older influencers and commentators on the right, love to lord Nick's alleged virginity over him, they fail to understand that this is actually a key component of his appeal.
He's the only one of these right-wing figures who sexually frustrated teenage male virgins can relate to on this level.
When they see, you know, an Andrew Tate or even a Piers Morgan make fun of Fuentes for not fucking, they also feel personally attacked.
Which is really funny because Fuentes has a lavender marriage to being annoyed.
Oh, yeah, of course.
I mean, he's gay.
Yeah.
That's the entire thing.
Yeah, I don't get any pussy because, uh, yeah, I'm involuntarily celibate, not the other possibility.
Yeah.
I do think it's a double whammy.
Like, I think he does know what he's doing there in terms of like really actively curating, you know, a young clavicular type individual into his audience.
But yeah, I mean, it is just also a convenient, like, oh yeah.
I've never had vaginal sex before.
Clavicular would have initially been introduced to Fuentes around the time of the Griper Wars, when Nick successfully put pressure on institutions like Charlie Kirk's Turning Point USA to become much more explicitly white supremacists in anti-immigration.
I mentioned this because even Fuentes' guerrilla internet strategy of pushing conservative institutions rightward is very distinctly Gen Z and online.
It was contingent upon producing a cult following of young, impressionable males through saying what only a terminally online Zoomer would be willing to say.
And using that cult following to make as much noise online as possible.
Clavicular, from the beginning of his looks maxing rise to fame, has been willing to say bizarre, controversial, almost anti-social things that polite society generally scoffs at.
Yet many of these statements, like him openly embracing the view that less conventionally attractive people have less value, appeal to a group of young, impressionable men who are looking for someone that tells it like it is.
But Clavicular did not necessarily have dreams of becoming an influencer just yet.
And in 2024, he would graduate high school, which is just a reference for how fucking young he is.
Jesus Christ.
Yeah, I know.
It's just, yeah.
And would attend a fairly small Christian university.
While he had some sort of aspiration for a normal job, he was already reveling in his position as a looksmax.org micro-celebrity.
And while I've noted that Clavicular has likely overexaggerated both his looks maxing regimen and the severity of many of his beliefs, it's still pretty clear that the guy is willing to do a lot of dangerous shit for the sake of getting hotter.
He streamed himself injecting peptides into his face as a means of dissolving bits of fat and also did this to his girlfriend on stream when she was 17 years old.
I'll have you know that that was not his girlfriend.
It was, in fact, a woman who looks maxed herself using him as some sort of example.
And obviously he's derogatory to almost everybody around him, but he makes it very clear, no, I was injecting an underage woman who is not my girlfriend in the face.
But yeah, she has like a kind of before and after that they love to use because they want to show that there are like examples of people who've gotten hot using his techniques.
And so of course, those are such rare people that he will get them on stream and inject them in the face with stuff.
Yeah, he does seem to attract a lot of like very also antisocial people who are willing to use him for clout.
Yeah, yeah, very evil.
Everything is very evil all around him.
And he lives in just like hell narcissism world.
Yeah.
There's one lady recently who I believe pretended to be like a lesbian incel around him and saying like, oh, I didn't have a boyfriend.
And then like immediately after had a stream where like her virality beside Clavicular was used to get like a shit ton of kick viewers and subsequently subscribers.
And then she like revealed that actually she has a boyfriend and she's not an incel.
That she tricked him.
Incredible.
Brutally tricked.
Brutally owned.
Oh.
Brutally live max.
The people they're depriving themselves just watching content this awful.
Like this is what people spend their time following.
It's like, ah, it's like a weird sort of like mutation of like TMZ culture or something that's, oh, God.
Yeah, no, it is.
It's like reality TV, but like everyone is actually real.
Like they're playing it up, but it's like they're real and it's live.
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Yeah.
This is who they are now.
There's no distinction between the character and the person.
He's also posted his steroid regimen at 18, claiming to have been on a 550 milligram of testosterone a week dosage since before he reached the age of majority.
Oh my God.
Oh my God.
A lot of steroid.
That's different.
That's a lot.
Yeah.
Probably bullshit.
Whoa.
I mean, yeah, well, well, the steroid claim is a bit easier to verify, and we'll get to that in a second.
And what is likely a combination of being edgy for attention and just being a dumbass, he was also asking the look maxing forum how he could manage to find his own Botox to administer injections to himself, refusing to get it done professionally as he was saving up for a very serious double jaw surgery, which is an extreme, you know, surgical intervention.
Especially for someone who naturally has a very strong symmetrical jawline.
Like, you're doing fine, man.
Like, there's no...
Idiot.
He's an idiot.
He has no idea.
I've had two friends, actually, who have had serious, like, jaw sinus surgery, and it is no joke.
It's like a six-month recovery, I think.
Yes.
Yes.
It is insane.
Oh, my God.
And none of it's going to come out like how he wants to.
He's going to end up looking like one of those guys, you know, one of those brothers.
You know who I'm talking about, those weird guys whose faces are.
The buggy knobs.
Yeah, yes.
Lost to COVID, lost to Pfizer.
Yeah.
It's, I mean, didn't Jake Paul get some jaw surgery recently in the ring?
When that guy knocked his block off?
You know, he gives people such bad body dysmorphs.
Oh, I see what you mean.
Yeah, yeah.
Sorry.
I would recommend that intervention for clavicular.
I mean, honestly, yeah, it's a shame that the internet celebrity boxing matches are kind of out of style because he got a pressure clavicular into doing one.
Yeah, that'd be amazing.
Yeah, MTV used to have a good show about that.
But everybody was made out of clay.
Yes, I do remember this.
They should bring that back, but for real.
Clavicular would brag on the LuxMax forum about how little time he spent in the gym, relying on steroids' ability to drastically increase muscle growth with little to no extrenuous exercise involved.
This is, of course, a long-term problem, most crucially because all of your muscles become enlarged, including, for instance, your heart.
Oh, whoops.
Oops.
But that is a problem for a clavicular of at least a few years down the road.
Right now he has issues enough with the men addiction.
Maybe it's what he wants, though.
Imagine clavicular hitting 30, you know, starting to see the crow's feet around your eyes, you know?
I don't know if he could handle it.
He already looks pretty fucking old.
He really does.
He's really fucked up his body.
He doesn't look good.
Like, if he was, like, 30, I'd be like, yeah, that makes sense.
I mean, he's still a good-looking guy.
It's just like, he's aging.
Anytime the video is not like shot in the dimness of a club, like, it is rough.
If you want a simple explanation for Clavicular's Lux Maxing routine, the man is chronically addicted to swallowing a spider to catch a fly.
Going on steroids like Trend to minimize time required at the gym to be muscular, then taking muscle relaxer as an anti-seizure medication to manage the nerves that come from your testosterone levels being 10 times beyond natural levels.
He's advocated for using money from student loan debts to pay for very expensive cosmetic surgeries.
Logic being that being much more physically attractive will get you far more in life than a stupid little degree.
Despite being such an ambassador for LuxMaxing, Clavicular is completely embroiled in the LuxMaxing ideology.
Trapped in a miserable mog-eat mog world where any man on the street is at risk of being more physically attractive than you in some way.
It's such a good version of like, I'm scared of men wanting to fight me.
It's like I'm scared of men just being handsome and entering the spectacle that I'm constantly streaming.
That's why I thought, originally I thought frame mogging was you mog by entering the frame and looking better.
I didn't think it was the frame of the body.
Yeah, that's what I thought too.
But they both kind of make sense.
Like you're always serving the spectacle.
And so you take a risk doing that.
But of course, it's a risk that's completely hedged, so don't worry.
Clavicular's Lux Maxing routine would start to become a serious problem for him at the end of 2024, when, as a 19-year-old, he would crash his car into a ditch as a result of his abuse of the muscle relaxer Baclephon.
Jesus.
This would be devastating for clavicular.
Not because anyone was hurt, but instead because it greatly set back his goal of affording a double jaw surgery.
He would shortly after also be expelled from university for hiding testosterone in his room.
Something he claims only happened because members of the LuxMax forum reported him to his university.
Yeah, after that, he was like, that's it.
You've got me.
You've ruined the rest of my life.
So now you're going to have to listen to me.
There's like this weird way that he casts it as like, well, I guess you stole my life.
Now I'm going to be in your face forever.
Yeah, there's a clip where he's like, I wish I had a normal life.
I could be in university.
Yeah, I wish.
Uh-huh.
Sure you do.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, that is a good, that is a good point that it's like, well, you were posting so much on the LuxMaxi forum, you weren't going to class.
Like, this is that right-wing thing of being like, well, I wasn't a Nazi, but now I am that I heard you call me one.
Now, you may look at his life trajectory and chalk it up to pure stupidity.
And that's totally fair and reasonable.
But it's also importantly a type of stupidity that's incredibly embedded in a younger Zoomer urge to post one's life on the internet as much as possible in one's real actual life in a way that's traceable to their identity.
Following Clavicular losing access to upper education, he would go all in on LuxMaxing content on the internet.
And Clavicular is a good-looking guy, which is I'm not exactly sure to what extent that's the result of, say, him tapping his cheekbones with a hammer regularly.
No, the pain is too unbearable to continue.
Yeah, no, it's definitely not.
It's very funny because that specific thing, the bone smashing, it just makes them look like fucking swollen.
They do start to do early Bogdanoff pretty quickly.
Clavicular will sometimes host a before and after of his Lux vaccine journey as a way of selling himself as a dedicated looks maxer.
Where in the before pick, he's a pimply teen and after he's a very muscular, good-looking adult.
I posted one of the photos in the chat for the boys to see.
Yeah, I mean, that tummy, there's something I don't like the cum gutter tummy area.
It really fucking freaks me out, you know?
Like, I've got the same reaction as like looking at a xenomorph or something.
Like, that's not right.
It looks like they use the smudge tool, like, from his belly button to like his boxer line.
Also, I'm commenting on a 20-year-old child, basically.
So I'm going to shut up now.
It's hard because you forget he doesn't look 20.
Like, the testosterone has aged him so quickly.
He looks like a character in arc that I'm trying to create before I've refined it.
You know, the shoulders are out too wide.
The waist is too little.
He looks like a fucking piece of chewing gum that was broadly shaped into a man.
Yeah, it is odd.
Like, you do get to a point where it's like, I mean, I guess technically all of that is like the objective, incredible ideal, but it does just feel strange on like a real person.
Oh, yeah, that's the next generation, I think.
We're going back to not caring.
Which thank God, I think this is the pinnacle of like caring too much, and we're going to all laugh looking at it.
Yeah, hopefully there's a backlash because, yeah, I mean, Gen Z is like really bad, body dysmorphia.
There always is.
No, it's really bad.
So I think that there's going to be, hopefully, a little bit of a kind of swinging of the pendulum the other direction.
Let's hope.
I'm not sure it's going to be good, but.
Yeah.
I feel like these people must be so bored.
Who's got the time to do?
You know, he clearly doesn't have to work.
Well, no, he doesn't because he's making shit tons of money on kick and buying fucking Bugattis and shit.
Yeah.
And a big part of it, like, he isn't especially strong.
I mean, there was a video with him and Andrew Tate where it was like he was benching like, is it three reps of one plate?
Which is like, it's like pretty good, like above intermediate, but like, even, especially for his physique is like a bit unusual.
And it's just because it's like, well, he never benches.
Like, he literally does rely on testosterone.
Yeah, it's just the way it looks.
Yeah.
And the fact that he is 20.
So I'm totally.
He's going to get a lot less leeway later to like achieve anything like this.
Quote unquote achieve, of course.
But yeah, no, it's, it's, the whole thing is, is really fucking depressing because at least like, and I am not trying to say Andrew Tate is in any way superior, but at least Andrew Tate like did do kickboxing.
Like he actually did like compete and stuff.
Clavicular is like if you stripped away everything and only looks remained.
Looks maxing.
I mean, it makes sense.
It's in the name.
Yeah.
It's just the skin.
It's like you just purchased the skin.
All the armor, all your armor still sucks.
My man is Ikea Furniture.
My man is like, there's not a single piece of solid wood in there.
It's just all fucking cardboard.
It's going to fall apart.
It's going to fall apart in eight months.
No, but seriously, I'm worried about him.
And I'm worried about the people who look up to somebody like this or at the very least think that this kind of behavior is worth spending their time doing.
They're just entertained.
Yeah.
Just entertain kids.
I think it's just kids having fun.
I don't find this any more sick than like your average like Maury Povich or Oprah or Springer.
You know, it's like this, this culture has always existed, but it's now being consumed at such a young age.
And like the, yeah, I think reality TV has also pushed people to be more cruel and more like spectacular when they do appear, you know, on any kind of media.
It is honestly going back to the before and after photo, hard to tell what the looks maxing has actually done because he started his quote-unquote journey at 15.
You know, I would expect to find someone much more attractive at 20 than 15 because I'm not Jeffrey Epstein.
Get him.
Get his ass.
I'm holding him accountable.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Clavicular, I'll have you know that I waited until 18 to do a come tribute.
Nevertheless, the lie of his looks maxing seems to work on enough people.
And in an incredibly ironic turn, considering the early anti-grift origins of the LuxMax Forum, Clavicular would begin selling a $50 an hour looks maxing course to young, impressionable men and also women who want to look better.
This is very important context for much of Clavicular's shocking and outlandish claims.
He's positioned himself as a LuxMaxing ambassador with a vested interest in the outlook of the forum growing in popularity.
The more absurd lengths he is known to go in order to LuxMax, the stronger his brand gets for the sake of recruiting young, impressionable boys who would be attracted to the ideology.
So being shocked and appalled while taking all of his claims at face value is in a sense a sort of similar mistake that older commentators make when ridiculing Nick Fuentes' virginity.
Yeah, unfortunately, like there is no right way to deal with this kind of stuff.
Yeah.
Because we've discussed this and I think we both agree.
It's like it's a product of a system that would like reproduce the same thing even if you swapped out like all the people.
So it's yeah, there's not, you're not really gonna like be able to get Clavicular, right?
Or like, or what I mean is like get under his skin or defeat him in some way because he literally is not your opponent.
Yeah.
It's depressing.
Clavicular would get his start outside of the look maxing forum initially on TikTok, but it was only in July of 2025 where he would finally land a spot on his idol Nick Fuentes' stream.
I've mentioned before how relatively shrewd I think Fuentes is, at least in relation to all the other well-known right-wing influencers, which is very low bar, to be clear.
Sure.
And I think him boosting Clavicular so relatively early is an example of this.
Specifically insofar as Nick recognized that Clavicular could be a useful component of the Groyper pipeline, drawing in young, insecure boys who are looking for influencers that speak to their particular gender-based anxieties.
Yeah, yeah, he's a perfect foil to the kind of closeted, skinny Nick Fuentes.
You know, it's like a little more on-face value, masculine.
And yeah, I'm sure Nick also doesn't mind looking at his body.
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that was.
Oh, yeah, please come to my house.
Can I see your frame?
Yeah.
Could you wear like cat girl?
Years?
Associating with Fuentes would only be the beginning of Clavicular's climb up the manosphere.
In late 2025, he would move to Miami, which is a grim sentence to say aloud.
Yeah, but it makes perfect sense.
Like, if a city were a person.
Yeah.
In order to start making content on the incredibly unregulated bona fide gambling website, kick.com.
If you've seen any headline about a young, impulsive, histrionic idiot doing something illegal on a live stream for attention, there's a very good chance it was on kick.
Yes, sir.
From people streaming their attempts to survive Hurricane Milton by breaking into evacuated apartments to vehicular manslaughter slash totaling expensive luxury cars because live streaming is too distracting to lots and lots and lots of gambling, kik is a complete cesspool where the most immoral and provocative acts are rewarded with a metric shit ton of money.
Most of that money is just gambling money.
Like the reason why they're able to keep it afloat is just because it's like promoting, you know, one of the affiliated gambling websites, which is also kind of somewhat, you know, grey market, not quite legal, where they make just an absurd amount of money.
Like steakstake.com, like that kind of thing.
Yeah, I believe it.
I believe it's stake, yeah.
There's so many gambling websites.
There's so much like gambling stuff going on that I don't even know about.
Insanely wild to see like the sports betting thing completely swallow all professional sports.
But yeah, no, of course.
Like what's left when everyone's poor?
Like play dice.
Yeah, it's really bad.
And like even on Kik, like other streaming websites like Twitch, it's like a seven, you get 70% of subscriber money.
Like so Amazon takes 30%.
With Kik, it's like you get all of it because they're like, we don't fucking care.
Come to our website, take all the money from people paying you.
Are there any nice people that are streaming on Kik?
I'm sure there are a couple.
They're just wholesome maxing.
Exactly.
They're also doing their own calculation.
Do you think I like do you think as a nicer, more empathetic person that I could do well on a site like Kik?
That depends.
How recessed is your Maxilla?
That's true.
I don't know.
What do you guys think?
I feel like my nose is getting a little bit bigger as I get older.
Liv and I would have to measure you.
The sides of my hair are starting to get gray.
My beard is all gray.
What does that mean?
We'd have to feed you into the algorithm and see.
Yes, they do have these AI-generated PSL score creators.
Jake, don't worry.
There's good filters and stuff.
A lot of these things could be changed by filters.
I feel like these guys don't have any facial hair.
I think they're all, most of them seem really clean-shaven.
I feel like a beard excludes you.
I looked up the picture of him and the ASU leader, the fraternity leader, and oh my God, that guy looks like even more of an ARC create a character guy.
I specifically say ARC because the characters in that game look like absolute cavemen.
Actually, funny enough, the Twitter account for Kik messaged me like a couple weeks ago, Liv X Kick when I told them to go oops themselves.
So they are like pretty pressed because I have a Twitch stream, Twitter.tv slash Levegar.
They're pretty scalp, but that is just, I think there are like some kind of lib, left-wing, and like maybe politically neutral people on the website.
But for the most part, it is just about like, you can stream semi-illegal shit on here, unlike on Twitch where you'll get banned.
Yeah.
Clavicular was, therefore, absolutely perfect for the site.
Most of his big streams have been IRL, meaning he's out in public.
Think of these streams like an even more unregulated version of reality TV.
Everyone is essentially doing improv for content and trying to get attention.
And Clavicular is a fairly abrasive guy on camera, saying pretty overtly cruel things to other people for views.
And sometimes it's Clavicular who's the one that's getting played.
I should have mentioned that the ASU frat boy who frame mocked Clavicular was not just innocently asking for a photo.
He was pretty clearly puffing out his chest and attempting to appear bigger than Clav.
He, too, is a looks maxing adjacent fitness influencer named Veris and later admitted he wasn't even a member of the frat Clavicular was visiting.
Despite, of course, putting ASU frat leader in his bio.
Amazing.
Collecular is, as I mentioned before, quite awkward.
And this comes across very clearly on his streams.
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Here he is, for instance, explaining to a beautiful woman that he's gotten, quote, piss mogged before.
Yeah.
I just like go and he puts the camera at the floor.
Okay.
You know?
Yes.
Do you mute it?
Sometimes.
Sometimes no?
Yeah.
They like listening.
Yeah, sometimes they like to hear it.
They'll read the stream, you know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've gotten piss mogged before.
You know, I wrote a thread about it.
Real ones know.
Really?
Yeah.
Wow.
Like when someone pisses next to you and they have like a bigger stream.
Oh, I'm sure.
It's pretty brutal.
Oh, my God.
Yeah, I'm doing gauging on my urethra for a bigger stream, quote unquote.
This is just like dumb guy flirting.
I don't know.
Yeah, he's like, yeah, one time there was a guy who's pissing next to me and he pissed louder than me.
Yeah.
Yeah, real ones no.
Anyways, are we going to like fuck later or not?
Real ones no.
Real ones no.
The real ones no, by the way, is a reference to a thread on LuxMax that Clavicular made in 2024.
Related to a bizarre racial anxiety he had following a black student peeing much louder than him in an adjacent stall.
Ha ha!
Oh, God.
You can't escape it, man.
Yeah.
Like, imagine leaving that restroom and being like, man, that guy peed a lot louder than it is.
Yeah.
Like, that, oh, God.
What, I mean, how tortured?
I mean, how tortured if you're micro-analyzing that level of wins and losses as you make your way through this already, you know, crazy world.
Yeah, and it is this mogging culture.
I mean, there was a, I think in the same bus, because I think Clavicular has this weird bus, but like, it's him and Andrew Tate and Andrew Tate is absolutely going off about, yeah, we're gonna mog this, we're gonna mog that, and like trying to be in on the lingo.
It's fucking sad.
He's fucking turning 40 soon.
Yeah, it's embarrassing.
In late 2025, Clavicular would begin collaborating with some of the bigger names on Kik, like Aiden Ross and Jack Doherty, who like deserve episodes of their own for being just complete fucking narcissist idiots.
Doherty got banned for a while on Kik.
He was the one who crashed his incredibly expensive car because he was like too busy streaming.
And then he was telling his like injured cameraman to like get the shot while he was bleeding.
Just insane.
Like these are, yeah.
Clavicular's primary gimmick on these larger streams concerned content creators asking him to apply the PSL rating scale to various people, which typically was followed by Clavicular spitting out a list of Byzantine facial measurements to justify how hot he believes they are.
He is, in a sense, bringing the rating system of physical beauty pioneered on the PSL forums and then LuxMax into a mainstream audience that had not seen it before.
And of course, Clavicular would generally say the most immediately controversial take about the individual he was being asked to rate, as we saw before with his interview with Michael Knowles.
Here's another example of him talking to non-white, white nationalist streamer Sneeko about Kyle Rittenhouse.
Kyle Rittenhouse just got married, though.
Did you see his wife?
She has a bunch of sleeve tattoos.
She has tattoos.
Hold on, I'm gonna show you.
Well, congrats to Kyle Rittenhouse.
He's now a married man.
You know, I'm very, let's see.
I hope the best for him.
Let's show you this.
Dude, I find it like that's like peak jester max and complete opposite end of the spectrum from everything I talk about, what he did, how he risked his life to go defend stores in another state.
Like that's that's why I was always very anti-like Rittenhouse.
Yeah, and the crying at the courthouse couldn't understand why he was upset, but okay, here's his, I'll show you the marriage, the proposal.
Here it is.
Oh my God.
Holy cringe.
Are you serious?
Congrats to Kyle.
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I'm happy he's married.
Why is this cringe?
Dude, look at her arms.
Are you serious?
Yeah, that sounds looks really expensive.
Those are getting a whole sleeve done.
That must be like $3,000.
I don't know.
So the way I feel about tattoos for men, it's just like, I don't, I would never do it, but I'm not like the most outspoken if people have them.
As males, I think there's a certain aesthetic that certainly fits into it.
But if you're a woman, you're getting tattoos.
You know, I don't know if I'm allowed to say this on YouTube, but you're just a trashy, like, I don't know what you could say.
I think you could say that word.
Jesus.
My favorite clip of his, this is from Will Sommers' piece on it, which I would recommend you read.
Is after the ASU frat leader situation, he goes to eat dinner and he orders like it's this really nice restaurant and he orders chicken tendies instead of something.
And they forget to bring it out to him.
And he like has this moment where he's just like about to cry.
And the lady there who is, I believe, the one I mentioned before that was like using him for clout and pretending to be a femme cell, which is female in cell.
Okay.
It's like, are you okay actually?
And he's like, no, no, no, I'm fine.
You just have these like really dark actual moments in Clavicular's life just on stream where it's like, he's not doing a bit.
Like, this is a low for him.
He can't do a bit.
He just, he's not able to.
He's just doing himself.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It seems like he puts himself in situations that make him incredibly uncomfortable.
Yeah.
I mean, I think that he is like quite an anxious person.
And then, like, also being on testosterone, like testosterone makes that like so much worse.
So, I would imagine he just, like, like, there is a there is a truth to the like I'd like wordmen or whatever and try not to speak to anyone all day.
Like, there is a truth to that sentiment with him that he probably doesn't want to do shit like that.
It probably is deeply uncomfortable for him.
Yeah, it's like, because I've had the thought as like a young man, like, don't speak too much.
Like, you're gonna give away, you know, you're gonna give it up too quickly, or you're they're gonna know that you're a nerd, or like that you're not, you know, like, don't speak too much.
Like, there is that like instinct, especially for somebody like me that likes to talk a lot, but it's not like something that I'd be like, okay, tomorrow, practice, like, do 10 less words.
It's not like something that I would assign statistics to, like, almost like a sport or like a gamification almost of like stat points and stuff that these guys all seem to be obsessed with.
Yeah, there's a pathological like optimization.
You know, it's in the kind of the term maxing, which I believe is like originally from video games, min-maxing, where it's like, there's some stats if you play a game really well that you can only care about.
You only care about, you know, magic damage or whatever and not mana or something.
But they're doing that in real life.
Yeah, that is the only lens through which I understand this.
Yeah.
And I've seen, like, I get advertised all of the stuff for like older millennials, like, you know, like blues, you know, you're too fat, uh, you know, too bald, all of those things.
Shoes make you bigger.
Too fast, too furious.
Clavicular is a very fascinating figure.
While it might be easy to compare him to a grifter, such as the pickup artist that PUA was originally made for, he, I think, it's said is far more of a true believer.
He genuinely is on a list, I think, of medically dubious substances in order to ensure he's as hot as he possibly can be.
And at this point, he can't go back.
The edgy, controversial internet alias he inhabited as an insecure teenager, who at the very least self-identified as autistic, has now ballooned into his real life.
Clavicular is in a prison of his own creation, likely on a testosterone dosage that would give a well-put-together individual constant panic attacks.
He's now attached not only his self-worth, but also his career to being as hot as possible, subjecting himself to an increasingly large amount of scrutiny concerning his looks.
I mean, the easiest way of getting an insult on the internet is calling yourself hot.
So people are like, sure, really?
Like, are you that hot?
Start pointing out little things.
Yeah, totally.
And you see this with like even like left-wing people who don't like Clavicular, they'll be like, oh, look at his like bench max.
Look, oh, he looks so small now.
And it's like, yeah, I mean, it's hard not to have that reaction when someone that's just the adversarial dynamic that always comes about on the internet when someone positions themselves like this.
Watching a Clavicular stream where he's browsing the internet makes this immediately clear.
Where he's often doom-scrolling various social media sites with an algorithm keenly in tune to showing him content specifically related to him.
And of course, responding very negatively to any and all criticism.
As an example of his just general attitude, here's a clip from a December 2025 blog by Clavicular.
People are thinking, you know, oh, Clav is such a well-written character.
Clav is so entertaining.
He's so unique.
And, you know, while I appreciate that, you, you know, understanding that there's, you know, quite a lot of depth in my story, I am not a fucking jester for your amusement, right?
I am not a character.
This is not some fucking TV show, right?
Where I'm coming on here trying to entertain you, motherfuckers.
This is the cruel, hard world.
So I'm done with this fucking title being thrown around.
All right.
Well-written character, okay?
You think this shit is a fucking joke?
We live in one of the worst societies ever throughout the entire history of the world.
Quite literally.
You have to be in the top percentile to even be looked at with a shred of romance, with a shred of attraction by women in this day of age.
So it is quite brutal.
It is quite unnecessary.
So when people are sitting there on TikTok, like, oh, wow, you know, this edit of Clav is cool.
Or Clav said this, or Clav, oh, he's such a crazy guy.
Motherfucker, do you think that I'm doing this shit as a fucking form of entertainment when I have to say it for three days in a row?
High on crystal meth, right?
Trying to suppress my appetite and get hollow cheeks, right?
Is that supposed to entertain you?
Because this is real shit.
All right.
The fact that I even can't, I can't even talk to people without some sort of fucking, you know, version of, you know, Benzo's.
I need fucking El Prazo Lamb just to be able to have a conversation like a normal person.
Is that supposed to be entertaining to you?
Okay.
Right?
So this shit is, you know, hell for me.
So I ain't here to entertain you motherfuckers.
I am here to look smacks.
I am here to fucking ascend.
This has never been a game.
This has never been a joke.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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A true believer.
Yeah.
I mean, I think this is also what separates it from reality TV.
And he makes that point himself, right?
No, I am allowed to just look at you and say, you know, is this a fucking joke to you?
Like, I'm a fucking clown.
And they're going to keep it in because I am the editor.
You know, so yeah, I don't know.
There's a certain amount of like differentiating he's doing about his own product there that makes it kind of disingenuous.
But then at the same time, you can clearly see he is absolutely haunted by his own approach and ideology.
Like, oh, you think it's fun for me to stay up for three days on meth?
Yeah, I hope it.
I hope it is, dumbass.
That's why, that's why we do it.
That's why the human race does drugs, asshole.
Yeah, I think I'm enjoying myself.
I certainly hope you are, even for a fragment of the time.
Jesus.
Yeah.
To me, this is like the saddest shit ever because if he actually believes this, he's like wasting the best years of his life.
Like you guys said, he's not a bad looking guy.
Like even in the pimply face picture as a you know teenager, he's like, you know, he just looks like a normal, yeah, you know, just like a normal kid.
And so, so it's sad.
And like, and on the other side, if he's just like super cynical and like knows that this is like, it's a character that he is playing and he's making a shit ton of money.
And it is kind of like a modern day sort of like Andy Kaufman type of thing.
Like that's also really sad.
Yeah.
I mean, it is definitely not that.
I mean, he definitely has, he can't see the forest for the trees.
Like that, that's, I believe him that he is, you know, kind of firmly lost and ensconced in his own ideology.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Anyways.
But this is, yeah, especially with the drug use and the things that he's doing to his body.
Yeah.
Like, you know, he's, he's barely out of high school.
And like, I think if I had defined my life around anything that I believed in high school or, you know, experiences that I thought were going to, you know, have monumental repercussions, like, I would be so fucked.
So I can only hope that he grows out of, you know, that this is a particular type of content and that he grows out of this into a more fully formed neo-Nazi, which is the only direction, which is the only direction that this is that this is heading.
This is just, this is just a stop on the way to some kind of Nazism when you're this obsessed with how you look and other people look and how comparing them to what God, God forbid, what, you know, I'd hate to think what he thinks of like ethnicities like that are anything other than white.
Sad, Sincere Neo-Nazism00:02:06
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
But very sad, weird stuff.
You know, I'm, I'm sort of, I was like, kind of aware of this guy because I saw on Twitter, I think, that there was like pictures of him and Andrew Tate and like Sneeko and like all of these fucking weird guys, like weird online guys, like they had rented some kind of like party bus together, like they were going to prom and they were like all bumping like Heil Hitler.
And I was just like, damn, man, it's so Apparently, when they went to the club and they played, you know, the Kanye Hale Hitler, that like a bunch of the staff got fired for allowing that to happen because like you're free sexual stuff.
That's awesome.
I hope it was worth it, staff from the club.
Yeah, but Clavicular is a very like Gen Z type of irony where it's like he's very sincere and in fact like way more sincere than previous generations in terms of his like internet persona.
But then he's also, he also does love being ironic and being in on jokes.
It's a difficult, it's a weird balance.
Clavicular represents a new sort of internet personality who's been so hooked into the internet content matrix at such an early age that there's something oddly earnest about their digital presence.
What you see is what you get.
And the lack of separation means the flurry of negative comments Clavicular has built his life around hurt especially bad.
Clavicular is a generally pretty narcissistic guy.
He has far-right politics, has espoused misogynistic and racist beliefs repeatedly, and yet I can't help but just feel bad for him.
This is even as he's gotten increasingly more relevant as a figure in the Trump 2 far-right mediaverse.
He's now hired a very large publicist, who I believe also like his manager, Candace Owens, is now appearing with more esteemed Trump 2 right-wing media figures than the live-streaming D-Gens he was previously known for.
The party is getting bigger and bigger.
Yet every clip of him I see, I feel like he's having an even larger existential crisis.
Yeah, yeah, it's good.
It's interesting.
It's like we're right at the, I mean, talk about Min Maxing.
It's like, yeah, this is like the youngest someone can be doing some of this stuff while still being legal online.
And like, it's just everything is right at the edge, right?
I mean, I don't know if there's much wiggle room from here.
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Yeah, you know?
Yeah, it's interesting.
It's, he, he's, he is truly a perfect avatar for our age.
I love it.
Love him.
Love Trump.
Love everything America's got going on for it.
We love the Burger Reich.
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Why do you go to medical school?
Well, I got kicked out of school.
Yeah, but whatever.
We'll get you back in.
I don't want to be a Jewish brother, but you should go to medical school.
That's a horrible idea.
Why?
You know all this crazy.
You could help people doing medical school.
I would never go back to school.
I'm already doing good enough on social media where I can't even think about the word school in a serious context.
You could be a doctor.
You could be a good doctor.
It's a good job, no?
No, doctors.
But you know all this stuff.
Do doctors agree with the stuff you're saying right now?
Doctors are rogue.
I'm telling you, listen, these people are literally going to school for 10 years, accumulating a recorded amount of debt just to make a wage that's not really going to elevate you to a position where you could beat any looks disparity.
So it just doesn't really make sense to me.
Yeah, but your mom tells the daughter, like, dude, if you're going to take out hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of loans, you might as well invest into surgery rather than going to school.
What if you could be a plastic surgeon?
And by the way, you can actually get college loans and use it for surgery.
So this is a method.
So I've been telling people, yeah, you can literally do that.
So just misappropriating the funds, it's really not going to get you in that much trouble.